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You're telling me this is best possible team they could come up with?!
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let me break it down for you senpai
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>>153071379
>Regenerating monstrosity
>Two cyborgs that can absorb ki
>The two most powerful saiyans in the universe
>The kid who was suppose to be the most powerful in the universe
>An immortal guy who can multiply his muscle mass by a hundred at will
>The strongest human who beam spammed Cell
>Kami & co.

I guess you have a point with Krillin though
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>>153071379
Use the catalog retard
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Yeah I don't even see the point of bringing Gohan when you already have Tien
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>>153071379
why is roshi there? he is less powerful than raditz
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>>153071653
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY?
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>>153071653
Roshi is probably as strong as Jackie Chun and Jackie is undefeated. Not only that but Jackie blew up the moon way before anyone even got to mountain destruction level, so Roshi is probably at stronger than Raditz. That and we need to give Roshi some love because he and Jackie have always been my favortite characters, and Jackie has provided the best fights in all of Dragonball.
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It's almost as if Super is just a fanservice circlejerk show and has no good reason to exist.
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>>153071851
Why did Roshi never fight Jackie Chun?
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>>153071851
You'd think they would draft Jackie Chun over Roshi.
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>>153071922
Is this a meme?
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>>153071968
They were the two strongest humans at the time, they should have fought or at least met each other once.
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>>153071653
he took down a fuck ton of soldiers in resurrection F
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>>153072074
Of course they met each other. Jackie Chun knows the Kamehameha Wave too, and Roshi invented it.
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>>153071968
What meme? Are you talking about that crazy conspiracy theory of Yamcha's that Jackie and Roshi are the same person. That's just crazy talk.
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>>153072350
>>153071851
Why didn't roshi just multi-form for a few minutes to fuck with everyone?
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>>153071379
Majin Bu, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Tien are above SSY2 so I don't see the problem.
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>>153071379
I like to pretend that Majin Buu is still one of the strongest, fiercest and most dangerous fighters in the entire universe. He could really fuck shit up if he managed to absorb Beerus or something.
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>>153071379
>Krillin
>But not Trunks or Goten

Alright.
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>>153071379
>>153071533
I think they can all at least do SOMETHING.

I doubt the other Universe teams will be necessarily equal.
There's fucking 10 dudes for each of the 12 universes.
Pretty sure there'll be fodder on a level that Krillen, Roshi and Tien can clean shop.

Can Buu still go Super Buu or Kid Buu or is that dead and gone to be Uub?
He's the most out there of the fighters to me. He's gonna be either super broken, or something will be holding him back.
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>>153072466
I would like to see perfect Majin Bu back again, remember that Fat MB and Child MB are the weakest of his forms.
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Goten is inspired by his father instead of being a bitchy faggot like Gohan.
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>Yamcha still doesn't meet the cut
>Roshi does

BS.

Also Videl, Chiaotsu, and Yajirobe are all stronger than Roshi.

Also fuck muh canon Pikon should be there
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>>153072531

Buu still has the ability to absorb people, right?
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>>153073014
Forgot to also add the obvious Goten/Trunks being stronger than Roshi or Krillin/Tien for that matter
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>>153072531
There should really make it so to keep things interesting there's 5 official "weight" classes

>The Goku/Vegeta tier
>The Gohan/Buu tier
>The Piccolo/17/18 tier
>The Krillin/Tien tier
>The Roshi tier
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>>153073014
Videl ain't shit and Chaozu is a weakling that gets by on Psychic powers that never end up working.
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I'll only accept Roshi in the tourney if he brings back his Jackie Chun persona.
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>>153071379
>>153071595

yeah but why not drag cell and freeza out of hell so they can compete too? surely they're better than fucking tien and krelin? also, I didn't even fucking now 17 was alive. when the fuck was that established?
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>>153073187
>I didn't even fucking now 17 was alive
You need to check the Buu saga again
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>>153071379
I just wanna see 17 and 18 interactions
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>>153071533
honest question .

is piccolo supposed to represent black people?
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>>153073187
oh yeah I almost forgot, Pikkon is more powerful than cell, so why not get him? also, the hercules looking guy was awesome too.

>>153073220
did he do anything relevant in the buu saga? I don't remember seeing him.
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>>153072969
Gohan wanted to fight and train alot too when he was young. It was chichi who turned him into a bitch
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>>153073187
>why not drag cell and freeza out of hell so they can compete too
Because they wouldn't be good for teamwork, it's very possible that not all the fights will be 1vs1
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>>153073266
I thought the guys in hell couldn't channel their ki to any real degree

also pikkon is total filler isn't he?

17 is shown giving his energy for the spirit bomb, he's a park ranger

launch is also there, she's a trucker
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>>153073232
No he represents demons. There are already black people in Dragonball.
>>153073266
>did he do anything relevant in the buu saga
He gave energy for the spirit bomb. Also he's a park ranger now.
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>>153073266
>Pikkon
>the hercules looking guy
Anime filler, they can't be included because they aren't canon in the manga.
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>>153073232
only if buu represents whites
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>>153073330
>he's also a park ranger now
Gotta admit, all these world ending mofos having mundane as fuck jobs is pretty funny

>>153073332
How about Dragging Dabura out of hell? That'd be pretty cool.
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>>153073383
>Dabura out of hell?
You mean Heaven.
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>>153071533
>token minority
top kek
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>>153073335
He clearly represents slants.
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>>153073055
They are gonna have school filler eps while we wait for toyo to catch up in the mango
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>>153073232
Nop.
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what if they get silly rules like no transformations, different powerlevel categories or objectives that dont require just destroying your opponent but also receiving marks for the attacks?
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>>153073268
Gohan got turned into a bitch because things got way too real for him too early. Goku met Bulma and Turtle when he was like 11, and went on fun adventures. Goten was introduced at 11 and was surrounded by very powerful fighters that he didn't really have to do anything, Gohan was 4 and he was forced to fight against his will.
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>>153073330
>black people in Dragonball.
none at z-fighter level...
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>>153073268
Gohan wanted to help his dad and save his friends but he needed to train for doing that. Goten just want to be strong
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>>153073471
>what if they get silly rules like no transformations
But Goku went SSJ and then SSB on the opening, same about Vegeta who went SSJ against Teletubby
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The dragon ball we all came to know and love is dead. It's been retconned to hell and back that Roshi is able to go toe to toe with god level beings because muh ki mastery.
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>>153073455
But the he has the body of an american.
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>>153073478
Is Gohan the shounenshit counterpart to Shinji Ikari?

>Distant father too busy with work
>Berserker mom
>Closest companion is a sexually ambiguous alien
>Constantly pushed into violent situations against his will
>Power fueled by rage and fear
>Love interest is a tsundere interested at him at first because both were fighters
>Get in the damn Cell Game
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>>153071851
So pretending Jackie isn't Roshi is a meme now?
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>>153073455
Then what would all of the other characters represent? Indian?
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>>153073566
The DB I loved and cared died when DBZ began though.
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>>153073566
>Roshi is able to go toe to toe with god level beings because muh ki mastery.
It's ningen logic he isn't going to explain shit.
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that QUALITY tho
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>>153073566
>Roshi getting spotlight
>A classic Dragon Ball character getting an opportunity for badass fights once again
>"The Dragon Ball we all came to know and love is dead"
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>>153073383
They are saving demons for the next arc.
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>>153073731
>Delet this
>no hakai this
One job.
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Why don't they recruit Uub? Surely he can help more than Krillin whose best move is a killing attack, which is probably banned.
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>>153073515
hm yeah
maybe an opponent that can just nullify transformations then?Otherwise Goku and Vegeta can just steamroll everyone again.
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>>153073566
The Dragon Ball we came to know and love focused on Goku, Roshi, Krillin, and the original crew before everything went to shit with power levels.
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>>153073481
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>>153073789
He is 4 or 3 years old yet. They won't meet him until 3 years in the future.
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>>153073819
Do you think Deadman Alien will have some bullshit like Hit had Time Skips or someone else will have these instead?
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>>153073789
He's a babby
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>>153071533

>token minority

fuck, I found this funnier than it should be.

I really hope 18 doesn't job, both Androids need a decent fight. Tien, Gohan and Krillen can eat a bag of dicks. Looking forward to Piccolo, Buu and Roshi doing something.

>Roshi takes his sunglasses off.

Shit is going to get real.
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>>153073268
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>>153073858
Im sure of it.
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That bald faggot is going to be Hit 2.0 with the same non existent personality too boot i can fucking feel it.

We could have Brolina as the big fight and it would have been so much cooler.
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>>153072517

>Gohan

I'm more concerned about this tbqh.
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>>153071379
>>153071533
>No Monoka
Dropped
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>>153073965
why dont those faggots just do the ritual with him
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>>153073014
>Pikon should be there

Even if they added him to canon, he's dead anon. Also, he's bland as fuck. Literally Piccolo with nigger lips.
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Is team clown (universe 4) the best team?
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>>153074022
Pikkon was stronger than Cell
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>>153074024
IM DA GOD OF DESTRUCTION BAYBEE
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>>153074024
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>>153073837
soo...
what's the next page
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>>153074054
And? He said he was a boring character not a weak one.
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>>153071379
>2 Gods
>Gohan, who if he gets back to his prime is so strong he cant go super saiyan without blowing up the planet hes on (it would be really cool if the ring they use is sturdy enough to not be affected and Mystic Gohan is allowed to go all out)
>Majin Buu, the near unkillable monster who threatened to destroy the universe (before Whis' training Buu was definitely stronger than vegeta)
>2 strongest humans
>strongest namek, master strategist
>2 ki absorbing androids

I don't know why Roshi's there, but everyone else is stronger than pre-resurrection F freeza which if you guys forgot was on his way to conquer the fucking universe. It would honestly be kind of bullshit if more than like 2 universes could even compete with a team like this (we already saw 6 is weak as FUCK in comparison, they only have hit).
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>Goku's team gets sabotaged by a weaker universe for advantage
>their ship crashed leaving only Vegeta, Goku, Androids 17 and 18, Piccolo and Buu as survivors, the rest are in a comatosed state
>a ship arrives
>it contains
>Radditz
>Frieza
>Cell
>Broly
>they decide to help Goku and friends to save their asses
>Radditz feels weak but we later find out that Baby in virus form snuck into the ship to help and possesses Radditz
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>>153071379

This entire arc can be complete shit and I don't care.

Pic related has me hyped as fuck. Roshi is going to do something for the first time since DB (golden shit frieza doesn't count).
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>>153074121
17 and 18 can't absorb. They don't run out of energy though.
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>>153074111
Was better than purple "nothing personal kid" guy
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>>153074121
18 and 17 cant absorb ki
Mystic Gohan cant go super saiyan because the transformation doesnt allow him to period
Yamcha Yajirobe and Videl are stronger than Roshi
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>>153071379
Goku and Vegeta are rare individuals.

Compare it with Champa universe. Only Hit was worth a shit there.

Most universes will have 1or 2 powerhouses. 3 filler guys. And 5 garbage ones.

>>153071595
They cant absorb ki
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So is this how next weeks are going to be? Fags complaining because they show that Roshii is actually a little bit more powerful than everyone supposed he was?
I believe it's going to be more or less like this:
SSB tier: Goku and Vegeta
Kaioshin tier: Buu and Gohan
SSJ tier: Piccolo, 17 and 18
Ningen tier (equivalent to base saiyan): Roshii, Tien and Krillin
Characters within the same tier have more or less the same power levels. Of course, there will be minor differences, we all know that Goku at the end will be just a little bit more powerful than Vegeta to make the difference. Unless he finds a new transformation (I think the opening hints it) and powers up like crazy again.
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>>153073895
I wonder where he got that dumbass idea from.
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Hope we get to see Goten train some more
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They should bring back Shiny Freeza
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>>153074184
Also, DBS has been insistent about the need to keep stamina when shit goes real and not tire yourself unnecessarily by wasting your ki. The lesser fighters will be there so Goku and Vegeta can focus on the powerful enemies and don't waste ki on the cannon fodder.
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>>153074172
No, they were both boring characters. Hit has his special power but that is.
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>>153074295
What's the point? He would ally with another Universes, most likely. Even if that means he ceases to exist. Why would he care? If he help the others he can achieve vengeance and bring Goku and Vegeta down with him.
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>>153074106
No idea.
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>>153074351
because Beerus scares the shit out of him
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Last match will be Zeno Chan vs Zeno Chan I'm calling it hear and now
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>>153073187
>>153073266

>yeah but why not drag cell and freeza out of hell so they can compete too? surely they're better than fucking tien and krelin? also, I didn't even fucking now 17 was alive. when the fuck was that established?

Are these meme posts? I can't tell. Are you purposely trying to sound like one of those illiterate niggers on youtube who only watched the original Funimation dub for dbz? Because these are the type of comments I would expect from somewhere else, not /a/.

>The hercule looking guy

His name is Mr. Satan. Much like how Piccolo's name is not Big Green. And on top of that, those two characters (Pikkon and w/e) are 100% filler.

>Resurrecting Cell or Freeza

Why in the flying fuck would they do this? Let's make it clear that Freeza has been resurrected already. So in order to do it again you need the Namekian Dragon Balls. Yes, you're going to have to ask the people that Freeza slaughtered and destroyed their original home world to resurrect him. And don't get me started on Cell. You think Android 17 and 18 would want him around? Or anyone else for that matter? Do you think Gohan would want him tag teaming?
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>>153074238
I don't think itll be a new transformation so much as Goku surpassing the need for them

of course thatll only last if this is the really final arc , if it gets more eps they will asspull a new transformation to hype up fanboys
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>>153074121
would benice if gohan got a new transformation of his own that has nothing to do with ssjb.
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>>153074247
At no point does that fuckface want to train and fight other than him needing to.
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>>153074382
Yes. When he wants to conquer everything. Suppose that they resurrect him now. He knows that once the tournament is over he's dead again. He gains nothing joining Goku. If Beerus is mad at him he can kill him, what's the difference?
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>>153074404
>his name is Mr. Satan
can't tell if serious or not
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>>153074404
With "Hercule looking guy" they mean Olibu, not Mr. Satan.
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>>153074404
>don't bring freeza back because it'll hurt the nameks feelings
>dont bring cell back because it would the androids feelings
IF THEY LOSE THEIR UNIVERSE IS DESTROYED

THEY'RE
BRINGING
ROSHI
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>>153074364
typical
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>>153074526
Nice i liked Roshi also Goku and Vegeta will carry the team
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Why can't Shenron fight?
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>>153074137
>tournament has 2v2
>Vegeta is forced to fight with Frieza, the guy responsible for the death of his family
>Goku is forced to fight with Cell, guy who once killed him
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>>153071851
>Roshi is probably as strong as Jackie Chun
I dont know why I laughed so hard.
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>>153074295
>>153074382

>Reviving Freeza

Freeza has no incentive to fight for them. He has an insane amount of arrogant pride more so then Vegeta and would rather just blow up the planet again then join them.

On top of that, what's a more fitting fate? Helping your nemesis and his friends just to be sent back to hell and be tormented while you're stuck in a cocoon or being wiped out of existence so you don't have to feel misery and suffering anymore?
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>>153074137
replace Broly with Dabura
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>>153073045
yeah but probly will be retconned like buu can't absorb someone sronger than him or the meme buu is an idiot and surrender the fight.
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>>153074500

You misread what I meant. I meant the fact that he say 'Hercule looking guy' rather than 'Mr. Satan looking guy'

>>153074526

>>don't bring freeza back because it'll hurt the nameks feelings

see:>>153074445
>>153074604

You're acting as if Freeza would fight for them. You're a fucking retard if you think they would.
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Zeno Chan vs future Zeno Chan?
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>>153074500
Not Chapa-O?
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>>153074604
Someone should do naked SSB Goku with Golden Frieza at the floor.
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>>153074673
Are you for fucking real? Olibu looks like fucking Heracles (aka Hercules), from greek/roman mythology; NOT like Dragon Ball Z's very own Mr. Satan (aka Hercule).
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>>153074762

He said 'Hercule', not 'Hercules'.
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I'm sorry, but today's episode was the worst piece of shit I've seen in awhile. 23 minutes of what should have taken 3 minutes. And I know
>that's just dragonball, you should expect it!
this is different. 10 minutes of today's episode was
>what food you getting us
>this food
>already had it
>ok then this food
>oh sounds good
>ok lets get the food
>we got the food
>oh bulma you're pregnant. do you want this food?
>dad no that food is for whis
>hey Goku I'm here, did you remember the food?
>yea here's the food
>cool
>hi beerus
>hey where's the food
>here's the food
>ok lets eat the food
>wow this is good food
>oh yea? let me try. wow you're right, this is good food
seriously come the fuck on.

>>153074556
he's just really weak, right? Original Piccolo killed him.
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I bet the only spotligh roshi is going to have is going to be like this:

>brokoly doesn't want to fight/hurt others.
>roshi grab her ass.
>brokoly goes ssj and proceed to beat the living shit of everyone until goku beat her.
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>18 fighting
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>>153071379
Gohan is balding already?
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>>153074803
Anon, did you eat today...?
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>>153074673
I'm not the guy who said they should ressurect Frieza, just jumped in to say your reasoning was stupid as fuck.
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>>153071379
They're obviously going to do some sort of weird twist on things, thats what super is all about making them more vulnerable despite them being literal gods, just look at this episode Goku got grazed by a fucking bullet.
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>>153074137
id bet my balls for this to happen
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>>153074857

>just jumped in to say your reasoning was stupid as fuck.

Actually it isn't. This is a teamwork fucking fight. You're telling people to work in teams. Most of these individuals were killed or severely injured by both Cell and Freeza. Do you honestly think Android 17 and 18 would fight with Cell on their team? Do you honestly think Krillin and Piccolo would work with Freeza? Or Gohan or Vegeta?
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Rate the new OP.
9/10 because I need full version.
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>>153074137
This is the most retarded shit I've read in these threads.
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>>153074968
>Do you honestly think Krillin and Piccolo would work with Freeza?
Yet Krillin worked with Piccolo to protect the Earth from the Saiyans.
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>>153074137
you are stupid.
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>>153073478
Goten was introduced at 7. Take your Alzheimer's pills, Toriyama.
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>>153074991
9/10 I've been listening to it all day.
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>>153075092
Still way older than Gohan who was 4.
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>>153071740
He's less powerful than radditz. And Yamcha, and Chaotzu.
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>>153074991
10/10
Just because I don't have to hear the old opening again.
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>>153074401
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>>153074968
I think since the universe is at stake, yes.
>b-b-but Cell tried to kill them
>Piccolo tried to kill Tien, Krillin and Goku
>Vegeta tried to kill all of them (and years later let himself go Majin, murdering innocents in front of his family just to fight goku)
>The androids tried to kill them for no reason other than the fun of killing
>Has 17 even apologized for any of that?
>Buu tried to kill all of them

Do you not realize how dumb you sound? Sure cell and frieza may never agree to this, but in the scenario where they did I'm pretty fucking sure this would only be the 19th time rivals had to swallow their pride and work together in dragonball. I mean jeez man, Krillin was still scared shitless of Piccolo in the Saiyan saga but put that aside for the sake of the world not even the fucking universe.
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>>153074604
>Freeza has no incentive to fight for them. He has an insane amount of arrogant pride more so then Vegeta and would rather just blow up the planet again then join them.

Beerus could force him to fight for them, since Frieza is Beerus' bitch and he destroyed stuff at his command.
He could be given the opportunity to live as a reward.
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>>153074968
>Do you honestly think Krillin and Piccolo would work with Freeza? Or Gohan or Vegeta?
Do you realize Vegeta killed Piccolo, Tien, Yamcha and Chaotzu?
Do you realize Piccolo('s dad) killed Krillin, Roshi, Goku, and took over the earth?
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>>153075195
He kicked the ass of some of Freiza's men. He is at least stronger than Radditz at this point.
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>>153075364
Frieza's weakest men are probably not as strong as radditz. Also, that movie is stupid, roshi was there for fanservice and nothing more. He stopped training when he was 1/10th radditzes, and he didn't magically grow stronger in the meantime.
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>>153071379
Anyone else disturbed that Roshi is a foot shorter than Krillin?
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>>153075438
the image is just fucked up
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>>153071595
Krillin knows Kienzan which is ridiculously OP, he cut off Freeza's tail when he was like 1/1000th the power
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Shouldn't the two sexbots be enough to wipe the floor with most competition? They're better than those a stage 1 Super Sand (who can straight up destroy planes with ease, themselves) Why not just send in those two and have the actual 2 gods there for the harder stuff?
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>>153075438
And Goku is like 3 feet taller than Buu
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>>153075484
Everyone just evades that shit
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>>153075356
>Do you realize Vegeta killed Piccolo, Tien, Yamcha and Chaotzu?
Vegeta only killed one Saibaman and Nappa tho.
>>153075484
What if the enemy he fights has regeneration like Cell or Buu? That will make it useless
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>>153075517
>Vegeta only killed one Saibaman and Nappa tho.
Vegeta was commanding the saibaimen and nappa, so it's on his hands regardless.
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>>153071379
>Fucking up the chance to add past antagonists to the team
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>>153075406
>he didn't magically grow stronger in the meantime.
Welcome to Super.
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>>153075601
Super just ignores the fact that people are weaker or stronger because the writers suck, Roshi still didn't power up in the meantime.
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>>153071533
>Android 18.
>do nothing

18 versus FemBroly fight will be the highlight for the series and a ton of doujins.
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>>153071653
nigger he's above Raditz after the RoF arc
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The Freeza argument is stupid, but now that I think of it, Cell would've been great. Freeza's had his own movie and arc, we've seen enough of him. Cell making his own great return (albeit probably begrudgingly) would have made this whole arc guaranteed 10x as hype.
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>>153075652
Cell has no soul.
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>Yamcha benched

What did they mean by this?
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>>153075652
but we cant hurt the androids feelings, everyone in the tournament has to be friends :(
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>>153075652
It's not stupid, Frieza is the strongest eligible being of U7 after Goku and Vegeta, and the existence of the entire universe is at stake. Both Friezan and Cell could be convinced to work with them.

Cell could train for 4months.
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>>153075623
No, they are ingoring that because that sent 90% of the cast into oblivion. And I don't want another Goku Time.
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>>153071851
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>>153075712
Baseball skills won't be enough to made him be part of the tournament
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>>153075744
>>153075744
>No, they are ingoring that because that sent 90% of the cast into oblivion.
Horseshit, the power creep in Super is crazier than ever and non-SSG are irrelevant. Super only ignores this when they need to fill some slots, or when they want the fight to go a certain way but don't want to be assed to give a reasonable explanation for it.
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>>153075712
Yamcha quit martial arts when he got the shit beat out of him by Dr Gero.
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>>153075830
And Roshi quit martial arts when he forfeited to Tienshinhan.
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>>153071379
>Not Jackie Chun
DROPPED
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>>153072517
fusion isn't allowed and they're shit without it
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They should have recruited the rabbit gang.

Rabbit man could have just touched everyone and turned them into carrots.
If he's too slow then someone else could move him.

>>153075947
They still outclass krillin and tien and roshi even separate.
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>>153075006
>most retarded shit I've read in these threads.
anon you must not pay much attention

this is what happens -every- thread
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>>153075626
The LSSJ being reduced to fighting a housewife is fucking awful.

Then again most of us knew she'd be a joke the moment we saw her. This is DB after all.
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>>153075724
You mean the guy that would blow up a planet just because he's a sore loser could be convinced to work with the people who he absolutely hates?

Yeah sure, I would trust him with Bra's unborn life as well since he won't kill a child who can't defend itself
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what if Roshi isnt going to fight but just give adivce?
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>>153076059
>not canon garbage is being reduced to joke character
Stay mad
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>>153075026
>>153075356

Difference is that Piccolo redeemed himself after his initial defeat. He left Goku and his friends alone when he was given a senzu bean. Same with Vegeta when Goku implored Krillin not to kill him. Both softened up after those moments. If you think otherwise, then Vegeta would have outright killed both Krillin and Gohan on Namek.

Freeza had a total of five chances to leave Goku and his friends fucking alone. He didn't. Instead he kept trying to kill them.

1) When Goku stopped fighting Freeza on Namek telling him it's over just for Freeza to use controlled ki discs to try and kill him
2) When Goku gave him some of his ki to float off the planet and survive, just for Freeza to fire a ki blast to try and kill him.
3) When Freeza survived and was created into Mecha Freeza, just for him to go all the way to Earth to try and kill him, just to die again.
4) When Freeza was resurrected and could have just went his own way, just to want to do the same damn thing again except train this time
5) When Goku once again gave him another chance to be spared, just for him to be shot with a laser beam ring by Freeza's henchman.

Freeza can't be redeemed and nobody would trust that fucker or would want him around.

And regards to Cell, he's a biological android programmed to kill Goku and his friends. He was beyond reasoning with. Android 16 made this painfully clear to Gohan before being killed by Cell.

>But what about 17 and 18!!!

Their future counterparts were beyond reasoning with as well. Thankfully their current timeline selves miraculously weren't given the drive to murder and hate humanity like all the other timelines.

>>153075289

>Do you not realize how dumb you sound?

Yes, the autistics who are going apeshit over how it's not going their way and that DB Multiverse fanfic isn't becoming a reality.

>but in the scenario where they did

Well that scenario is far fetch as all fuck and just wishful thinking from part of the fanbase.
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Okay yeah, Universe Survival Arc. I'm sure there will be great fights and Vegeta will job in the most amazing way possible just so Goku can get the W.

All that aside, will they ever fucking go to planet Salad?! I still want to see -that- arc.

>Goku and Vegeta arrive with Cabba and Fem Broly
>Saiyans: Who are these mysterious strangers, Cabba?
>Cabba: Well, technically they're evil counterparts to us who turned good and then ascended to godhood.
>...

Anyone else still hoping this happens?
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>>153076072
>You mean the guy that would blow up a planet just because he's a sore loser
What the shit? He blew up the planet because it allowed him to win, moron. He doesn't die in space.

>could be convinced to work with the people who he absolutely hates?
Absolutely, considering it would be his chance at escaping hell, and the universe would literally disappear if they lose, including the afterlife. Just because he's a villain doesn't mean he's a suicidal moron. Beerus forced him to work before, he could still do it now.
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>>153071379
Buu should unironically beat everything that isn't ready for him
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>>153075623
Honestly, I feel like they just said "fuck powerlevels" and decided to write everyone as strong as they need to be for each arc.

Vegeta said that he and Goku were at their limit as far as physical strength, yet he still went back into the time chamber and came out stronger to fuck up Black.

The writers don't -really- care about powerlevels at this point.
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>>153076148
>Same with Vegeta when Goku implored Krillin not to kill him. Both softened up after those moments.
Vegeta was still a monster in namek and the only reason he didn't murder the earthlings was because he needed to fight the Ginyus.
Vegeta also repeatedly betrayed goku and friends in namek when it suited him.

>Freeza can't be redeemed and nobody would trust that fucker or would want him around.
They don't have to invite him over for dinner, stupid. It's a fight for the survival of the universe. He has reasons to cooperate.

>>153076148
>And regards to Cell, he's a biological android programmed to kill Goku and his friends
He didn't give a shit about that, stupid. The reason for the cell games was to test his own power, he wasn't aiming to kill goku. IN fact he never tried. The actual androids WERE programmed to kill goku, and they didn't give a shit after a little while.
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Why do you all assume everybody from the other universes are all SSB strong. Who is to say these guys won't be weak as fuck like Krillen or Tien. Not everybody won't be Hit strong. Even the guys in U6 were pretty basic. They'll be some rare tough guys like ayyy lmao but those are a diamond dozen. U7 will be fine
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>>153074526
mafuuba=instant ring out. Why wouldn't you bring everyone who knows it?
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>>153076148
>same with vegeta
you're telling us vegeta didnt kill innocents after his initial defeat? You're a fucking moron who said something stupid, realized it was stupid when multiple people called you out on it, and is still for some reason trying to save face on an anonymous image board.
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>>153075724

>Both Friezan and Cell could be convinced to work with them.

Pedro, did you even read the thread? How would they be convinced? Freeza has no incentive whatsoever to fight with them.

>>153075294

>Beerus could force him to fight for them, since Frieza is Beerus' bitch and he destroyed stuff at his command.

Freeza was afraid of being killed by Beerus, that's it.

>>153075294

>He could be given the opportunity to live as a reward.

Yeah let's trust a person who's attempted to destroy the Earth twice, and actually succeeding if not for Whis reversing time.
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>>153076298
But then Goku or Vegeta could destroy them with one ki blast.
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>>153076342
>How would they be convinced? Freeza has no incentive whatsoever to fight with them.
Do it or the universe is destroyed and you with it.

>Freeza was afraid of being killed by Beerus, that's it.
Do it or Beerus Sama kills you.

>Yeah let's trust a person who's attempted to destroy the Earth twice,
It's not about trust. It's about survival of the entire fucking universe.
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>>153075711
That's a rude thing to say, Anon.
>>153075714
I'm sure they'll be fine. At least a few quips from them along the lines of "this bastard fucking ate us, why is he here". Worst case scenario he tries to absorb them again like a retard and gets his shit kicked in by Goku (or Gohan!). Also, I really don't think all the fighters have to "get along" if that's what you're saying. I doubt Piccolo and 17 are gonna like each other. No idea how you came up with that.
>>153075724
>strongest eligble being of U7 after Goku and Vegeta
Could be Cell by now. Freeza just came back and started training some, then died again. I don't think he'd be willing to come back AGAIN and TRUST the gang who killed him twice, let alone work with them to save the universe. Cell on the other hand is probably over it. I mean, it's Cell. He reached perfection and got beat up by a kid, who is now grown up into a young faggot and weaker than he was then. Who knows what that fucker's been up to in Hell? They call him back with the dragon balls and he's all chrome and shit, like Meta-Cooler. Calls himself "Platinum Cell". Who knows? We haven't seen him at all.
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Why the fuck are you arguing about Frieza and Cell?

They're dead they aren't coming back.
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>>153076330
Because Piccolo knows it too, and Roshi dies if he uses it.
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>>153076167
The more you type the stupider you sound

Frieza has every reason to backstab Goku and Vegeta since he rather take them all down instead of being someone's pawn

He's already dead and there is no incentive to help Beerus other that being destroyed but Frieza would take any chance to kill Goku and Vegeta no matter how dirty the tactic like you pointed out
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>>153076389
>Could be Cell by now
Cell is dead. He isn't any stronger than before. He could GET stronger, but frieza already is.

>I don't think he'd be willing to come back AGAIN and TRUST the gang who killed him twice
I'm pretty sure he would prefer to not be in literally hell, and he'd obey Beerus' commands regardless of trust.
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I'd love to see Yamcha fighting together with Krillin and Roshi. At the very least, I just want Yamcha to eventually fight and beat someone during Super, even if it's just some henchmen.
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>>153076376
Frieza doesn't care about the Universe, only revenge
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>>153071379
Just resurrect Cell already.
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I think Gohan is gonna be the one to fight the Legendary r63 Saiyan, and it'll act as a catalyst for him to reawaken his sadistic streak
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Do you think Ayy Might Is a bad guy of his Universe, or an actual super Hero?
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>>153076409
>Frieza has every reason to backstab Goku and Vegeta since he rather take them all down instead of being someone's pawn
If your reasoning for this is because he blew up the planet, then you are an enormous moron, since that doesn't actually kill him. He didn't commit suicide, he just killed his enemies by destroying their planet.

>He's already dead and there is no incentive to help Beerus
"Escape Hell" is an incredibly convincing incentive.

>>153076409
>would take any chance to kill Goku and Vegeta no matter how dirty the tactic like you pointed out
Not likely if his survival and that of the universe was at stake.
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>>153076473
You mean
>Regeneration C
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>>153076389
>I really don't think all the fighters have to "get along" if that's what you're saying
I was mocking the guy who says frieza and cell cant come back because they arent friends with the z-fighters.
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>>153071379
They brought Yamcha? The fuck is he gonna do?
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>universe at stake
>Piccolo still doesn't bother absorbing every Namekian except Dende
That's when you know it's going to be the typical db bullshit where Goku and Vegeta does everything.
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1. How did Vegeta manage to impregnate Bulma without annihilating her cervix?

2. Will Bra ascend to SSG at the same rate Trunks attained SS because Vegeta now has SSG sperm?

3. Will Goten and Bra try to rebuild the saiyan race together?

I have to know!
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>>153076478
>reawaken his sadistic streak
For fuck's sake, no.
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>>153076458
Do you have a single fact to back that up? Frieza cares about staying alive and not being in hell. A second chance to come back to life is an incredible incentive.
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>>153076406
>Because Piccolo knows it too
yes, and? they are bringing picollo. Roshi raises the number of users on the squad from 2 to 3
>Roshi dies if he uses it.
he used it in the Zamasu arc when he demonstrated the technique for Goku
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>>153076486
Every universe is probably good guys.

Goku is going to be seen as the villian of the arc because hes a fucking retard who put everyone in life or death mode because he was bored.
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>>153076486
When Goku goes evil that fucking Ayyy lmao will become our guy and the hero and the MC
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>>153074426
>Four year old
>Knowing what he wants to be in 20 years

Right.
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>>153076503
Narratively this is the exact reason.

You don't bring back a villain to come save the world unless you're gonna do a redemption arc or a resurgence of that villain as a threat. And I don't know about you but Freeza round 3 sounds terribly uninteresting.
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>>153076537
>Roshi raises the number of users on the squad from 2 to 3
Roshi DIES IF HE USES IT and is otherwise useless in a fight. He's a tenth of a radditz.

Also apparently you can learn the Mafuba in 4 minutes off a phone.
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>>153071533
So is Roshi actually going to bother using magic now?
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>>153076367
That's why Krillin and Roshi are there. So we can still have interesting fights that won't really affect the outcome.

I'm still kind of expecting a fighter that gets powered up based on the strength of his opponent. So if he fights Goku or Vegeta, he'll be nearly unstoppable. But if he fights Roshi, then he can be defeated.
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>>153072454
>Tien
>above SSJ2

pick one faggot
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>>153076516
Only the same clan can fuse. Nameless Namekian & Nail are in the same clan.
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That red transformation is not normal, it seems pretty sinister somehow...its probably going to be triggered by an extreme feeling,but what will it be?
Guilt?
Rage?
Goku has a lot to answer for...I don't think he's going to get off this arc with a slap on the back.
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>>153076496
Now that you mention it Cell could become a poor man's Doomsday if they wanted it.

Every time they kill Cell he just comes back stronger than before and ultimately have to combine the powers of all life in the multiverse to find a way to prevent him from destroying reality itself.
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>>153076297

>Vegeta was still a monster in namek and the only reason he didn't murder the earthlings was because he needed to fight the Ginyus.

When Vegeta first encounted both Krillin and Gohan, it was at seperate occasions before he was aware of the Ginyu Force's arrival. He spared both Bulma and Krillin after killing Zarbon and decided to just thrust his knee into Gohans gut when they flew into each other. He could have murdered both of them, but didn't.

>>153076297

>He didn't give a shit about that, stupid.

He actually did. Had it not been for Trunks mentioning of how they got stronger over the course of 1 day, then Cell wouldn't have given a shit and killed Trunks there. Hell he was very close to offing Vegeta had Trunks not powered up to SSJG3

>The reason for the cell games was to test his own power, he wasn't aiming to kill goku.

You probably want to go read the manga again. He wanted to test his power but he was going to kill them all if they lost. You think he was going to spare them???

>IN fact he never tried.

Yeah except when, again, he tried to kill Vegeta had Trunks got his attention. Or how he came back from blowing himself up ready to destroy the entire planet.

>The actual androids WERE programmed to kill goku, and they didn't give a shit after a little while.

Current timeline Android 17 and 18 weren't following their orders. Cell is not from the current timeline, he traveled from the future, where his timeline was exactly the same as our Future Trunks timeline. He killed the Trunks of that timeline after Trunks destroyed the murderous androids so he could go back into the future and absorb the androids of the past.
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oh... you're back
nice shirt tho
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>>153076443
It's not going to happen. He's a joke character now. Honestly, he might just get killed off again as a joke.
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>>153076525
need more hairy saiyan women

Also they're going to use the super dragon balls to bring back planet vegeta and all the saiyans of universe 7 who've died within the last 40 years or so

This also brings back cell
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>>153076486
>>153076547
>Ayy Might
THE SYMBOL OF ALIENS
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>>153076547
Is that Ayy lmao our true saviour?
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so the other universe fighters are going to be pissed at Goku right?
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So is Goku getting a new form? Super Saiyan Red?
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>mfw already watched the OP like 200+ times
send help
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>>153076525
>saiyan waifus will never bully me
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>>153076642
Hopefully, it would make for a more interesting tournament.
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>>153076569
>apparently you can learn the Mafuba in 4 minutes off a phone.
Mafuuba seems to be like Spirit Bomb. more like a ritual than a martial arts technique since so long as you get the intent and movements right the technique performs itself
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>>153076402

Spics are upset their fanfics aren't coming true. I mean, the idea of Cell and Freeza coming back on the side of Goku ect has been around since the late 90's.

>>153076535

> A second chance to come back to life is an incredible incentive.

He had multiple chances. You're a moron if you think an extra chance would make a difference.
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>>153076663
Super Saiyan Crimson
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>>153076619
why does her shirt not rip
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>>153076535
If he cared about staying alive he would've stayed away from Earth twice

He already lost to Goku on Namek and survived, but then went to Earth instead of managing his Empire even though he had barely survived Goku

He was revived later and guess what? He went back to Earth for revenge even though everyone else advised him to return to his empire to rebuild it

That's the proof you wanted, he only wants revenge
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>>153076642
Someone said in the last thread that Goku is basically the villain of this arc. He's the infantile and sadistic Saiyan God who can't be controlled, and may lead to the death of Trillions.

Even if it's not written that way that's how I'm going to imagine it.
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>>153076550
Gohan has always been a nerd, he wasn't turned into a bitch. Get over it.
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>>153076663
Super Saiyan Sanguine
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>>153076701
saiyan armor shirt
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>>153076596
Get out of here with that clan bs. Nameless split into two different types just fine.
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>>153076701
That would be too lewd, anon.
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>>153076663
Please tell me they read 4chan and are going to implement a Super Saiyan God Mastered form that changes hair color based on the User's ki
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>yfw Heroes team shows up
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Will this be better than the Dark Tournament? Will the greatest tournament arc of all time ever in any anime finally be surpassed
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>>153076525
>1. How did Vegeta manage to impregnate Bulma without annihilating her cervix?
she topped.
>2. Will Bra ascend to SSG at the same rate Trunks attained SS because Vegeta now has SSG sperm?
maybe. Would be kinda funny if she was born in blue form but no one save Vegeta noticed at first because she has naturally blue hair anyway
>3. Will Goten and Bra try to rebuild the saiyan race together?
nah. If you want to rebuild the race what you need is to make as many half-breeds as possible and then employ a eugenics program that favors the half-breeds to express more saiyan traits. having goten and bra hook up would bottleneck the gene pool too soon
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>>153076525
>that pic
I'm pretty sure the average anon could train for like a year and become more powerful than the most elite saiyan warriors pre-Freiza saga.

Really it's a miracle that Saiyans survived as long as they did considering their stuborn pride and militaristic pride propelled them into conflict despite being such a weak species.
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>>153076663
Super Saiyan Smug
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>>153076618
>When Vegeta first encounted both Krillin and Gohan, it was at seperate occasions before he was aware of the Ginyu Force's arrival.
He was in a good mood because he had the All Dragon Balls and they were insects compared to him, so he didn't care to kill them. He did promise them he'd return to earth to kill them all when he was immortal.

>He actually did.
No, he didn't. He pretty much spells this out. He only cared about perfection, and when he got it he had no goal, but decided to have a tournament to have fun. He didn't try to kill goku.
>You think he was going to spare them???
To make them fight seriously, he literally says that. He didn't care if they lived or died. Killing Goku wasn't his goal.

>Yeah except when, again, he tried to kill Vegeta
He wasn't programmed to kill vegeta either. He chose to kill him of his own free will.

>Current timeline Android 17 and 18 weren't following their orders.
Exactly. My point is even the androids, who WERE programmed to kill goku, didn't care. Cell was clearly nor programmed to kill goku and never really took direct action against goku in the entire time. All he wanted was perfection.
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>>153076714
Gohan was literally indoctrinated by chichi to want that shit. No four year knows what they want to be when they grow up.
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>>153076663
how is that not just kaioken?
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>Powerlevelfags at it again
The ten will be as strong as the plot demands them to be. We're going back to techniques and skills over who has the biggest energy blast. Fucking idiots.
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>>153076713
>implying goku won't be like "it's not very nice to wipe out people zen-chan" and he'll be like "oh... yeah I guess it isn't."
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>>153076797
It's Kaioken Blue but without the Blue.
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>>153076672
>>153076623
>>153076443
>>153076525
>tfw Yamcha will never visit a resurrected Planet Vegeta.
>the saiyan women will never bully him but still be turned on by how strong he is compared to the average saiyan
>he will never be forced to mate with the strongest females and nearly snu-snu'd to death, only to be thrown in a healing tank and made to do it all over again
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>>153076701
considering Cabba's outfit it seems the U6 Saiyans also developed stretchy-strong clothes in parallel to the Frieza Force in U7
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>>153076692
>He had multiple chances. You're a moron if you think an extra chance would make a difference.
You're a moron if you think he wouldn't take it. Whether it makes a difference or not doesn't matter, the fact remains they need big guns for the tournament and he's the third biggest gun they have access to.

If they have to kill him after, so be it, but it's in both frieza and the earth's interests to have frieza join them in the tournament.
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>>153076615
He goes beyond Doomsday. Doomsday does get immunities & strength, he defeated Jobberseid but at slower speeds depending on injuries. Compared to Cell's regeneration & zenkai, he's more durable but much slower growing.
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>>153076776
t. Tuffle
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>>153073822
Dragon Ball was too pure.
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>>153076779
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>>153076714
Not him but in the early parts of the Z era, ChiChi has almost no role outside of yelling about Gohan's studies, and at a couple of points argued that Gohan's studies were more important than the survival of the planet.

Being a scholar might have been a choice, but I do not believe it was 100% his own.
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>>153076772
>she topped.
At this point wouldn't his loads be just as strong as his first Galick Gun?

The impact should be enough to destroy a planet by now.
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>>153076615
even if they don't do thaat it would be funny to see a filler episode that reveals HFIL has an entire demon squad dedicated to keeping Cell from instant-transmissioning back to the mortal plane and dragging him back when he does
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>>153076711
>If he cared about staying alive he would've stayed away from Earth twice
He never considered he could be killed.
The first time he had his father and army, and he planned to kill everyone on earth before goku arrived. Trunks was an unexpected factor.

The second time he achieved the power rivaling gods in 4 months of training, and was completely convinced he would win.

Just because he overestimated his chances doesn't mean he was suicidal.

>That's the proof you wanted, he only wants revenge
Of course he wants revenge. He intended to get both though.
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>>153076787

>He was in a good mood

You're really grasping hard for straws. Vegeta had an intense battle with them on Earth, humiliated by Gohan and Krillin during his fight with Goku. If he wanted revenge, he would have gotten it. The very fact you're trying to put Vegeta and Freeza on the same pedestal is beyond ridiculous.
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>>153076818
desu this is probably what's going to happen.
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>>153076663
Super Saiyan Monkey King
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>>153076909
>You're really grasping hard for straws.
Dude he LITERALLY SAYS IT. He had just gotten all the dragon balls and was more interested in getting immortality than swatting some bugs he could kill later at his leisure, you fucking speedreader.
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>>153076792
No, he wasn't. He has always been a nerd who hated violence and trained because he was forced to/the world was at a stake.

>>153076884
He only trains when he really needs to, it's not something he genuinely enjoys doing. It's an obligation.
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>>153076663
I think he is, but you remember how the first opening kept changing as things happened? At first it was Goku red, then it was Goku blue. I think the same will happen here. We still didn't see the new form; this part of the opening will be replaced with it once it happens.
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>>153076763
>tfw when the squad arrives on the battlefield
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>>153076916
>Then someone attacks Goku, severely injuring him
>angered, Zeno tells Goku to run
>Evil Buu & Super Buu all over again
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>>153076610
>whether he intended to or not, the universe now recognizes Goku as a god of destruction in-training
>his nature is changing to reflect that, and his enjoyment of destruction is getting a malicious streak

or

>Blue form's slight healing factor has started to reverse the brain damage that made Goku docile in the first place
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>>153076900
He didn't know whether Goku was on Earth, he just knew Goku came from earth

Stop trying to make Frieza into a person that can be reasoned with since you lost that argument a long time ago
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>>153076776
>Really it's a miracle that Saiyans survived as long as they did considering their stuborn pride and militaristic pride propelled them into conflict despite being such a weak species.
Saiyans are basically space nips
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>>153076839

>You're a moron if you think he wouldn't take it.

Why did he chimp out and kill (or torture in dbs) his underling after he gave the advice of staying away from the saiyans on Earth and just rebuild his empire?

This isn't the first time either. He almost died had his father not saved him from the debris of Namek.

This guy is irredeemable. Goku tried multiple times to make him change his ways, he didn't.
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FEAR NO MORE

CABBA SHONEN

BECAUSE I AM HERE

AYY MIGHT
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>>153076887
kegel game strong
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>Future Zeno's disgust and his change of tone when he found out present Zeno "forgot" about something like a 12 universe tournment
>Future Zeno was eager to successfully mimic present Zeno.

Pay attention to these little things, you can sense the fucking tension brewing.
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>>153076792
Toriyama simply wanted to stablish Gohan as a character who hates fighting from the start, comparing him to a real 4-year-old is stupid. This is Dragon Ball not the real world.
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>>153077045
If Cell trained for a few months could he achieve Golden form AND SSG?
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>>153076771
Let's not get crazy
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>>153076887
>The impact should be enough to destroy a planet
bulma's decades of training allow her to withstand anything in that particular battlefield
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>>153071379

It doesn't seem like the gods will be fighting, do we know if they are?
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>>153077027
This shall henceforth now become the new Zamasu meme of this arc. Ayy might is our true hero
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>>153077045
He can go golden and super saiyan god with Kaio-Ken available, how can anyone compete?
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Why didn't Gohan dodge?
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>>153077010
>He didn't know whether Goku was on Earth
He knew EXACTLY when Goku's ship would arrive on earth. For fuck's sake, stop talking about shit when you didn't read carefully.

>>153077020
Because he's not a nice guy? What's your point? He was certain he could win and get revenge. That doesnt' mean he was trying to die. And you know what, he even succeeded, and only lost because WHis turned back time.

>This guy is irredeemable.
Every villain is "irredeemable" until they aren't. Vegeta was a genocidal mass murderer who basically blew up a stadium even after he'd been "redeemed".
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>>153076879
>not posting the gif
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They should've:
>revived golden frieza and super perfect cell
>have them train
>use the super dragon balls to force them to turn good
>???
>profit
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>>153076792
Yeah, no four years old truly wants to be a fucking scholar in particular because they can't read or barely learned how to read. It's an implanted ideal through and through.
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>>153077095
Saiyan blood.

get dat pussy instinct too strong
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>>153077134
>force them to turn good
actually, what was it they used to force Dabura into becoming good after he died?
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>>153071851
Roshi has fountain of youth
Chun does not, dude aged 30 years by now
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>>153077107

How about you go email and rant to Toriyama on why he didn't redeem Freeza. It seems like you're trying to push a very far fetched idea in this thread, because you're upset that Toriyama didn't spare the lives of two main villains that you really love.
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>>153077068
Super is a kids cartoon and Toriyama is obviously senile but it's fun to speculate. Goku migh turn heel for his head wound healing or even going through a middle age crisis for not having more bad guys to defeat anymore and finding his current life empty and meaningless while his friends can move on. Also, Gohan may suffer from PSTD and schizophrenia, see >>153073640
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>>153077094
>Platinum Cell is Golden, SSG/SS and maintaining a Kaioken transformation at the same time
>No strain on his body
Ladies and gentlemen, the next God of Destruction
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>>153077131
Manga panels are better.
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>>153077185
Someone should add that to the pasta.
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>>153077095
He did. He dodged homosexuality.
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>>153077171
>How about you go email and rant to Toriyama on why he didn't redeem Freeza.
Because I don't give a fuck that he wasn't, you imbecile, nor do I think he should be redeemed. It remains a fact that with the entire universe and afterlife at stake, it would be a smart move to give frieza a chance to COOPERATE in exchange for a ticket out of eternal torture in hell, and that it would have been entirely possible to do, not to mention it would make the arc way more interesting.
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>>153077160
>>153077208
But anon, spats worn by a tomboy can have all sorts of sweat! Imagine how smelly it could be!
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>>153077107
Until Frieza is proven to be redeemable, it remains a fact that he is irredeemable

What if any of his actions show that he would help anyone, fearing Beerus doesn't mean shit since Beerus never forced him to do anything
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>>153077236
Stop it. I feel a new fetish coming on.
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>>153077052
This.
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>>153077221
Dude, shut up. You're not getting your Z wankfest roster. You're either gonna take Dragon Ball being Dragon Ball or you can fuck right off.
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>>153077239
>Until Frieza is proven to be redeemable, it remains a fact that he is irredeemable
He doesn't have to be redeemed.

>What if any of his actions show that he would help anyone
He would only have to help himself. And since the universe is at stake and he's in hell, he could easily be convinced to help himself.

>Beerus never forced him to do anything
Frieza was terrified of Beerus and killed the saiyans at his command. Not that it's something he'd be terribly against in the first place, but the fact remains he's afraid of beerus.
So you have beerus on one side, and life and freedom on another. You don't have to be a good guy to choose wisely here.
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>>153077052
I'm a bit too busy being bother by the mass genocide they committed.
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>>153076297
That's the thing. I don't think Frieza would cooperate. He doesn't gain anything. He wants to rule the Universe. And he won't. Period. Goku and Vegeta, both more powerful than him, won't allow it. Even if he's revived and he gets another chance, he'll end up trying to kill Goku and dying again.
Cell could work, though. But to be honest, what's the point? The androids, Piccolo and the humans are there to face the cannon fodder already. It's not as if Cell could power up enough to be on par with Frieza's golden form or with SSB. We have yet to see if whether Buu or Gohan will power up enough to face serious threats or if they will deal with cannon fodder as well.
The whole idea of resurrecting someone is retarded. And you could arguably say that it's even better to resurrect Raditz and Nappa instead of having the humans in the roster. Yeah, their base forms are weak, but you can time chamber them to at least SSJ2. And I guess the only reason neither Trunks nor Goten will fight is because their mothers won't allow them to.
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>>153077280
>reduced to insults
I'll accept your concession of defeat
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>>153073789
Why would anything be banned? Losing universe gets fucking blown up.
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>>153071653
Look at his fucking eyes. Roshi isn't playing around.
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im gonna start watching Super /a/, is there any filler i should skip?
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>>153077339
The first 30 episodes
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>>153077303
>He doesn't gain anything.
He's dead and in hell. He gains EVERYTHING. Even if he decides to waste his new chance to kill goku, it's still a chance he'd be willing to take.

>Cell could work, though. But to be honest, what's the point?
To not have a roster made of cannon fodder and laughably underpowered characters who are only there for fanservice.
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>>153077315
>>153077171
I'm not that same anon you were arguing with.
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Will she scream Kakarot as well?
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>>153077283
>Frieza was terrified of Beerus and killed the saiyans at his command
Wrong, Beerus only allowed Frieza to do it since he marked it for destruction, Beerus would've done it if Frieza didn't

And thus Beerus NEVER FORCED FRIEZA TO DO ANYTHING
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>>153077171
>>153077280
Fucked up the quotes, but the other guy can use my last post for himself.
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>>153073566
>Roshi is able to go toe to toe with god level beings
But this didn't happen and it isn't going to happen you stupid fuck. Even the last tournament arc no one win any fights they shouldn't have one.
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>>153077334
>yfw Roshi is like the 4th strongest fighter of Universe 7
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>>153077334
I'm hyped to see him fight.
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>>153077387
Frieza still did it at Beerus' command. Frieza obeyed Beerus, and you can't change that fact.
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>>153077372
Is that Momo from boku no frog-chan academia?
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>>153077263
How could you fetishize smelly tomboy spats? Surely they're sticky & clung to a tomboy's butt all day. Gohan likely got a face full of Videl's sweaty crouch. She probably wanted to suffocate him with the smell.
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>>153076663
Super Saiyan Murder
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>>153076297
>It's a fight for the survival of the universe. He has reasons to cooperate.
>powerlevelfags STILL thinking this.
inb4 another "Oh just let him go afterwards, he surely won't kill goku again".
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>>153077443
Stop it! STOP IT!
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>>153071595
Krillin is the strongest human you dipshit.
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>>153077447
powerlevel fags don't understand narrative.
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How old do you think they are?

I know they age slower than an average human, but i still wonder if
both were they teenagers back in Z.
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>>153077324
Maximum trollage obviously. Daishinkan seems like the kind of dude that loves that kind of shit.

>you can't kill each other, but if you lose, you die
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>>153077447
Nice non-argument.
Whether he tries to kill goku or not it's irrelevant, because Goku and everything else dies anyway if they don't win.
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>>153077334
That magic kush actually made him much stronger
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>>153077174

>Super is a kids cartoon and Toriyama is obviously senile but it's fun to speculate.

Hey Pedro, Dragon Ball was always meant for kids. I know, it's hard to grasp that a shonen manga was made for young boys between the ages of 8-18, but that's really the case.

Stop acting insecure.

>Toriyama is obviously senile

Have you ever read any of Toriyama's other works? Did you read the manga? Did you watch or read the original Dragon Ball? If he's senile now, he's always been senile. This is the same world where a pig, floating cat, a talking turtle, a perverted old martial artist, a girl who can make spaceships, dragon ball radars, and time machines, a small cat who gives out beans that heal you, a black faced servant with a turban, an imp with a ninja dog servant, an old witch who hangs out with monsters in the desert, and a three eyed man who's friends with a doll sized floating psychic all live in.

If you think Dragon Ball was originally mature and serious, you're absolutely delusional.
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Is it just me or is the general quality just raised higher in this episode?
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Why was the buu arc hated back in the day?
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>>153077352
No, he made it pretty clear before dying. If he's not strong enough, fuck everything, let them die as well. That didn't change. He's not strong enough and he knows it. So how is it going to be? He'll say fuck everything, let them die as well. He's clever, though, so he would play it straight at the beginning. Even win a few fights. But as soon as he sees an enemy that could defeat the saiyans he would betray anyone. In fact, he might even beg the other side to take him so instead of dying he lives in another Universe.
Bringing back Frieza or anyone who cares about no one in this Universe is the most stupid thing you can do, because they will betray you. Guys like Gohan, Krillin, Tien or even Buu will never betray you, because they have their loved ones in this Universe. Guys like Frieza or Cell will help another party if they feel their chances of survival are greater.
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>>153077415
>being this dense
You're the stupid fuck that just keeps ignoring all the retcons recently. If Goku can get hurt by bullets just because he slacked off, then Roshi can fight gods.
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>>153077221

> it would be a smart move to give frieza a chance to COOPERATE in exchange for a ticket out of eternal torture in hell

Only in your fanfic Pedro.
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>>153077503
There weren't any uncanny QUALITY faces that jumped out at me. At least not without having to look for them.
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>>153077503
That's what happens when someone cracks the whip on Toei.
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>>153077499
Those earth worm jim feet
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>>153077415
>implying the bottoms 7 fighters in universe 7 don't get a huge power up before the tournament
>implying they all don't become god-tier

Pay attention to the new intro faggot. These seven are getting a huge power up from the dragon balls. They probably merge with them or some stupid shit.
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>Goku didn't reply when Beerus mentioned him becoming a God of Destruction
>Goku mentioned in the past to Hit about how they wouldn't be the pawns of the Gods for much longer
>Goku cares very little about what people have done such as willing to Spare Frieza and Vegeta or act buddy buddy with Hit
>Goku is no longer taking Beerus' shit
>mfw it turns out that Goku was actually like Bardock personality wise but had Gine's kindness/sensitivity at birth but after hitting his head he became a Psychopathic Mastermind who wishes to gain total control over the Multiverse as its one true God

G-guys I think we are about to see Goku go full on Kratos
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>>153071533
Seems like you made a mistake. Only Goku's in the main character zone.
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This isn't really my thing but I'm sure -someone- here like muscle girls.
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>>153077458
Exactly. There is nothing to fetishize. It's only sweaty tomboy spats being pressed into people's faces.
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>>153077507
It still is hated
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>>153077532
This logic is fucking retarded.

Neck yourself.
>>153077553
>people in a dragon ball op get a dragon ball
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
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>>153077503
It seemed like the lines were thicker.
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>>153077537
new director?
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>>153077575
Please stop helping me visualize it.
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>>153077508
>No, he made it pretty clear before dying. If he's not strong enough, fuck everything, let them die as well.

Except you change "as well" to "instead", because frieza DOESN'T DIE IN SPACE. And if he doesn't want to die, then he'd play along.
>Guys like Frieza or Cell will help another party if they feel their chances of survival are greater.
Absolutely, the only hole in your argument is the fact that he belongs to U7, and would die along with it if he does anything to screw their chances.

Frieza is a VILLAIN, yes. But he could be made to cooperate, and it would make for really interesting situations. Sure, he'd be dangerous afterwards, but it's still better than having Zeno delete your universe.
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>>153077289
brown hair one needs a puffy vulva
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You know what amazes me?

Despite the endless saiyan wank, being able to literally become Gods, to become stronger from simply fighting, getting beaten up and recover and what not and Super Saiyan in general there's tons of races in the Universes capable of being on par with them and actually surpass them.

Even by taking Gods, Angels and Zen-O from the equation Goku and Vegeta are nowhere near the top of the power-level scale.

Makes you feel even more bad for humans and Nameks as well as they are already inferior to Saiyans. How much lower can you go at that point?
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>>153077553
>These seven are getting a huge power up from the dragon balls.
Unlikely.`
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>>153077568
Thanks buddy
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>>153077553
Buu is going to lose 1st round to the big bad so that they know who the strongest guy in the tournament is.
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>>153077581
You're gonna feel so fucking dumb when it turns out to be true.
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>>153077592
Guess so. Apparently they've been going through them like toilet paper

>>153077603
Give it up, you're not getting Frieza, Cell or whoever else your 10 year-old self cockstroked when Z was airing.
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>>153077339
Skip the first 72 episodes
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>People think Frieza would cooperate
Frieza is literally a a MUH PRIDE MUH MONKEY CHARACTERS.

He'd literally get the entire universe killed if it meant he'd get his revenge.
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>>153077507
Buu was just a new version of Cell. (aborbs people and regenerates from all damage)

Goku was basically killed off for no reason, and brought back to return to the status quo.

Vegeta was set up to finally take the W but ended up jobbing to himself.

Gohan was fucking useless, then he got his ultimate power up (becoming the single strongest character of the series) and then continued to be fucking useless.
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>>153077490
I know Dragon Ball has always been for kids, just saiyan Goku showing symptoms of middle age crisis or Gohan having PSTD isn't exactly gag material, even if they can played like that.
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>>153077579
why?
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>>153077372
what if she's Cabba's wife?
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>>153077603
You are literally a waste of time. Keep making an idiot of yourself. I'm done.
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>Just plucking planets killing trillions of innocents for entertainment
>They still got bored
>Goku caused the destruction of many planets by barging in asking about a tournament and nobody gave a fuck besides Grand Priest

This shit is dark and I love it. I love when things are evil and sadistic as fuck but are presented with such a light undertone. It just makes it that more fucked up. This arc will be much more interesting if the other universes view U7 as the bad guys. Ayy Lmao looks like he's the hero not a bad guy. He has enough of Goku's shit
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>>153077603
Okay, so freeza comes back, what's his story now?

what's the point, what do you achieve by bringing freeza back?
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the real question why dont they bring Arale, she is stronger than goku and vegeta combined
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>>153077472
pretty sure they were in their late teens when they got reactivated by Gero
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>>153075652
Cell could work from the perspective of being humbled by his defeat and having a target to attain.

>Hey Cell turns out you have a ways to go until you reach perfection. Want to train with us and then test yourself against the strongest beings in the multiverse to prove yourself as the most perfect being?

Frieza on the other hand is just too much of a cunt to work. Cell was never really all that evil in the sadistic sense, he was just driven by ego and wanted to prove himself stronger than everyone else and perfect to justify his existence. Him wanting to blow up the world never seemed particularly motivated or in line with his character.
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>>153077670
>>153077372
What if she actually has a dick?

U6 Paragus just tried to use hormone therapy to control Broly rather then his headband.
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>>153077650
>Give it up, you're not getting Frieza
Not an argument. The fact remains that it would be a smart move for them to bring frieza. And you should simply accept your loss instead of pointing out Super's poor writing.

>>153077676
I'll accept your concession, thanks for playing.

>>153077686
You have a guy on par with SSB fighting on your team and a better chance at not getting deleted, what else?
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>>153077688
Because she is a gag that will never be taken seriously. Where was she in the future?
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>>153077563
>Goku at birth was like Bardock on the surface but like Gine at his core but the head injury swapped those aspects of himself making it so his surface is like Gine but his core is like Bardock
>Ayy Lmaos power is to force a person to show their true intentions or personality causing Goku to show that he is very similar to Black
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>>153077720
>And you should simply accept your loss
Practice what your preach.
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>>153077720
>You have a guy on par with SSB fighting on your team and a better chance at not getting deleted, what else?

This is a story, the things you do in the story need to have purpose within the story, how does this push any of the character's stories? what is freeza supposed to do after this? the only logical thing is just a repeat of resurrection of F which is fucking awful from a narrative perspective.

Nothing is achieved by bringing freeza back.
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>>153077720
Pointing out your stupidity is getting old
You lost your argument before you even typed
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>>153077507
it was way too long
>Gohan school hijinks
>Tournament
>Babidi's minions
>Majin Vegeta
>Fat Buu
>Evil and Super Buu
>Gotenks
>Gohan Potential
>Potara
>Buu's stomach
>Kid Buu
>more Kid Buu
>even more Kid Buu holy shit just beat him already
>
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>>153077753
I will when you come up with anything resembling a solid argument.
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>>153077603
>he belongs to U7, and would die along with it if he does anything to screw their chances.
Pretty sure its possible for him to literally leave the universe, not like anyone cares enough to hunt him down and kill him because he came from somewhere else
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>>153077657
Cell might do it though. in the end he really just wanted a good fight.
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>>153077720
>It'd be a smart move to bring Frieza

In both instances where Frieza thought he was going to lose he decided to try and suicide to kill his opponent for the sake of petty spite

Frieza would throw the fight or wait for a moment to antagonize Zeno into nuking their universe.

Remember, when he dies he goes to Hell already so complete universe annihilation or complete self annihilation is a win.

That leaves the team either down a fighter or all dead
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>>153071379
Why did they put a shitty filter over the whole episode?
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>>153077720

>I'll accept your concession, thanks for playing.

>If I have the last post, therefore I win!

No one is conceding against you. People are done speaking to because it's just an endless argument.

You have a very far fetched idea and it's VERY obvious you're wanting Cell and Freeza since you're huge fans of both to be in this roster.
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>>153077716
Trap Broly isn't a thing
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>>153077443
wow I will never have sweaty videl wrapping her legs around my head... why do I even live? WHAT IS THE POINT OF MY LIFE
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>>153077622
Without those 7 receiving a huge power-up the tournament is pointless. They need to bring the rest of the Z fighters up to a semi god level or the whole thing doesn't work. It's the same shit they used to do in Z.

It's one thing to have one shitty fighter like piccolo in a god tournament, it's another if 7/10 are fucking useless. You can't suspend disbelief that much even for this shitty cartoon. It's like having Oolong on the team.
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>>153077774
No need, I'll be laughing at you while you stay buttblasted that Dragon Ball is being Dragon Ball instead of muh srs Z drama energy blast faggotry
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>>153077847
>need to bring the rest of the Z fighters up to a semi god level
Why the fuck do you keep insisting this? They aren't fighting gods, just other combatants from other universes.
>>153077646
You're an idiot
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>>153077507

cause spics are dumb and don't understand humor or juxtaposition.
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>>153077339
you could say all of super is filler because we already knows how it ends
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>>153077720
>it's poor writing cause it doesn't adhere to my fan fiction.
Seriously? You do know not everyone has to be on the level of god's, right? It must suck to care so much about power levels when the show itself stopped caring a decade ago.
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>>153077779
All I want to see is an official Spirit Bomb thrown from Cell
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>>153077879
>Why the fuck do you keep insisting this?

Because in his head only the super-heavyweight decision exists.
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>>153077586
I fucking love thick lines. Its the reason I liked the AoT anime. I can't really pinpoint why I like them so much.
>>153077536
It's not even the lack of QUALITY, it feels like the color palette is better too.
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>>153077879
see
>>153077646
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>>153077757
Frieza gets a new chance at life, anon. He can do whatever the writers decide from that point on. If they're shit enough to do RoF again, that's on them, but even then it's still less stupid than bringing fucking Roshi when the fate of the universe is hanging in the balance.

>>153077768
Calling people stupid isn't an argument, and is generally considered losing the argument.
Please stop admitting you lost so much, I already accepted it.

>>153077776
How? No, go on, how is he gonna leave? He's an alien, not a god or angel.

>>153077794
>In both instances where Frieza thought he was going to lose he decided to try and suicide to kill his opponent for the sake of petty spite
No, in both instances when Frieza thought he was going to lose, he tried to kill his opponent by destroying the planet, which would have won him the fight. Victory and Survival in one move. Getting Zeno to kill him would be the opposite of what he'd do.

>Remember, when he dies he goes to Hell already
And if he helps, he would not be.
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Is it me or that Goku vs robbers one of the best animated """fights""" already?

Shit looked tight, hope they keep up with it.
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>>153077847
You know every opponent isn't going to be God level right? The team will handle the weaklings so that Goku and Vegeta don't have to waste any energy, they will focus on the real threats.
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UNITED
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>>153077706
This.

>I want to be the best
>Wow I really am the best
>What the fuck do you mean I'm not the best
>Fuck this, everything goes
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>>153077828
>People are done speaking to because
Because they're out of arguments.

>You have a very far fetched idea
It's a simple, logical idea that won't happen because DBS is poorly written.
I don't particularly care for cell or frieza, but it's a fact that they'd make better choices for the team than Roshi or Yamcha.
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>>153077916
I mean fucking hell, I WISH everyone got power-ups so it could stop being "The Goku and Vegeta show(but Vegeta is only here to job, its really The Goku Show)".

We all know that in the end only Goku and Vegeta will do anything relevant.
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>>153077915
Solar Kamehame is better
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>>153077950
U6 buu
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So in the entire universe, only Earth fighters are worth a damn? When you have shit like the Frieza race and the fact that saiyans are also alien to Earth?

Roshi's place could've easily been filled by some new powerful guy that we didn't already know about since the universe is fucking vast.
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>>153077937
>Frieza gets a new chance at life, anon. He can do whatever the writers decide from that point on.

So what you're saying is there is nothing apparant that freeza's revival would do for the immediate story?

good because you're right, there is nothing Freeza is over, he's never coming back because it makes no fucking sense to put him back in the story.
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>>153077983
ROSHI

IS FUCKING BASED

LEAVE HIM ALONE ALREADY

YOU FAGS
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>>153077994
But you know he is going to ultimately do nothing, just like Tenshinhan.
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>>153077854
You sound pretty mad though.

>>153077906
It's poor writing because roshi has literally no business being there and there's much better picks when the universe is at stake, EVEN if they didn't go with riskier, but stronger choices like Frieza.

>You do know not everyone has to be on the level of god's, right?
Obviously not, but since it's a tournament for survival, the more people you have at that level, the better.

> It must suck to care so much about power levels
It's not power levels, it's internal consistency. It must suck being such a sad fanboy you'll defend even that.
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People were living their nice daily lives dealing with normal everday issues. Then suddenly they get pulled from their universes to fight for their lives and if they lose the people they care for will no longer exist.

All because some retarded crazy power hungry bad father fuck ignored a God of Destruction and an angel and he just wanted to fight. The other universes are going to hate Goku.

Goku is fucking batshit insane. Even fucking Vegeta knows when to say no to training. Goku is a leach who ruins lives. He won't let peace be a thing. He's even going to fuck with Gohan next episode. Goku needs to chill the fuck out
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>>153071379
Man, how must Gohan feel when he's a grown-ass man and his father probably looks younger?
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>>153077983
everyone else worth a damn had been scouted into the Frieza Force and picked off one by one on Namek
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>>153076409
Frieza would listen to Beerus.

Frieza is very destructive, yes, but not self-destructive. He wouldn't get the universe and himself blown up just because of some lust for revenge. Especially not with Beerus there to keep him in line.

Hell, Champa's team doesn't really like each other, but they cooperated, and they didn't even require the threat of their universe being absolutely torn apart.
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>>153078021
>It's poor writing because roshi has literally no business being there

>the wise sensei who is clearly still capable of teaching something to our cast has no buisness being there.

Never go full powerlevel. Teacher characters like this always have the ability to turn up and blindside you.
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I miss Monaka.
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>>153077563
>full Kratos
>not full Sun Wukong
Fucking white trash
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>>153077984
>So what you're saying is there is nothing apparant that freeza's revival would do for the immediate story?
Wrong. Aside from the obvious fact that he'd be a powerhouse for the U7 team, having the Z-fighters have to work with the villains for survival would make for very interesting interaction. I'd say that's clear narrative benefit right there, but I guess you prefer the literary weight of "pervert old man".
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>>153078035
Frieza Force was galactic at best. You do know how many galaxies there are in a single universe, right?

There's no way Goku and Vegeta are the only ones at the level they're at for their universe.
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Frieza and Cell are both sore losers who tried to blow up the planet when they were beaten, stop thinking they care about a "fair and square" tournament. You're lucky Frost even came back.
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>>153078037
>not self-destructive
he blew himself up along with the Earth when Goku defeated his golden form
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>>153077983
>Frieza race
who cares when they're not mutants
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>>153078021
>internal consistency
>implying Dragon Ball was ever consistent to begin with
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>>153077983

Frieza is dead

His dad is dead

We have no reason to believe there are any others

The ginyu's are dead

All of the remnants of Frieza's elite army are dead

But too be frank, even if roshi were swapped out for someone else who could level a city, or even someone as strong as frieza was on namek, what difference would it make? Piccolo gohan 17 and 18 already have the real threats covered while goku and vegeta fight the other god tiers. What does one more planet level teammate do? Might as well give Roshi the chance to visit the stars.
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>>153078037
>He wouldn't get the universe and himself blown up just because of some lust for revenge.
lol
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>>153077994
He is, but he's stuck in the fucking saiyan arc at best. He's not going to put up a huge fight and as a fighter is replaceable.
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>>153078050
>>the wise sensei who is clearly still capable of teaching something to our cast has no buisness being there.
Like what? No one is saying Roshi couldn't aid them if he can stop thinking about T&A for 3 seconds, but he has no business in the front lines, He retired in the second budokai back in dragon ball, what's the point of going back on character development? Super does seem to love doing that though.
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>>153078070
>You do know how many galaxies there are in a single universe, right?
in dragonball verse, four. North, South, East and West.
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>>153078085
He was alive after that though
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>>153078070
>There's no way Goku and Vegeta are the only ones at the level they're at for their universe.

Goku/Vegeta are the only that know Beerus and Whis and they are the only (+Trunks) that have god ki.

So basically yeah they are FOR SURE the strongest
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>>153078085
Yeah because he was the one who could survive that. How is he going to survive the destruction of the universe if he brought it on by not willing to play along?
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>>153078070

Goku and Vegeta are unimaginably more powerful than any other mortal in all of universe 7. Nothing else even comes close and the whole Monaka thing was specifically to illustrate this.

Now, could there be other planet destroyers out there, sure. But, so what? What difference does that make?
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>>153078069
>Aside from the obvious fact that he'd be a powerhouse for the U7 team

this is irrelevant, it does not advance the story or the characters in any way.

>having the Z-fighters have to work with the villains for survival would make for very interesting interaction

This was done with vegeta, you never re-trod ground you've already trodden without a specific purpose. Also you clearly missed the way Freeza was given the most chances out of anyone and threw them all away every time. He's painted himself as irredeemable.
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>>153078089
>B-but DB had inconsistencies too
But not as many.
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>>153077952
This.
Some people also thought most of the u6 team would be Goku/Vegeta tier.
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>>153078093
Whooooo?
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>>153074140
fucking this
even if all he's going to do is rape fem broly into submission
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>>153078113
Fair point. Other universes don't seem to really abide by that, if you looked at how many universes there were.
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>>153078140
>this is irrelevant
This is a tournament arc, it is DIRECTLY relevant.

>>153078140
>This was done with vegeta
And with piccolo, and with Tien, etc. This is a staple of the genre.

Now, feel free to tell me what purpose Roshi has to be in there narratively, and how it's not retreading the same ground they covered in RoF.

>He's painted himself as irredeemable.
He doesn't need to be redeemed
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>>153077597
Don't worry anon. This image of non-sweaty slats will help you.
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>>153078141
>He thinks DB and Z are different
>Animefag getting butthurt his powerlevelfaggotry isn't being acknowledged
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10 fighters from each universe... This will be a big arc
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>>153073837
Since when Lex become conservative?
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It's not even about how strong they are though, its more about who the gods know
which is why Beerus didn't know about metalmen and all that shit, Champa hired the people he hired because they're famous iirc
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>>153076367
And waste their energy, its why Vegeta got BTFO by Hit he used too much energy on Frost, Cabba, and Magetta
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>>153078180
>I have no argument left so I'mma greentext and reactionface
Man you're a sore loser.
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>>153078109
He retired from tournaments that were martial arts for the sake of martial arts. (also didn't he just retire playing the character Jackie Chun?) this is a bit more serious.
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>>153078178
Please stop, Anon. You're making lewd things happen to my body and it's embarrassing.
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>>153078170

You know, I always found it odd that there was a boss supreme kai, 4 lesser supreme kais, and then 1 grand kai and 4 regular kais. Almost as if there were supposed to be way more grand kais and regular kais for lots of other galaxies that don't exist.

...anymore? What if buu destroyed most of universe 7?
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>>153078189
I know, but it's kinda funny that the fate of the entire universe is left to the hands of people who are basically all earthlings by now.
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>>153078203
>this is a bit more serious.
So were the saiyan, Frieza, android/cell and buu sagas, anon.
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>>153077983
Frieza's family are mutants with unusually high powerlevels among their race.

Keep in mind that Beerus what surprised that there was someone out there that could beat Frieza so just by that we can assume that Frieza-tier is the tip-top of U7.

Of U7 team there's Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Buu, 17, 18 and Piccolo. 7 out of 3 are already over Frieza's level. That's pretty high level already all in all.

People seem to forget that Goku and Vegeta are abnormalities that attained the power of the gods. They are nowhere the standard of your average non-deity person. Every other Universe also has people with more moderate powerlevels just like U7 has Krillin and Tien and Roshi participating all the other universes also have their equivalent of those 3 participating as well.

You people are so focused on just raw powerlevels that you forget the logistics of the tourney as well. Remember how Vegeta got blown the fuck out by Hit in the U6 and U7 tourney because he spent all his stamina vs Frost, Magetta and Cabba? That's what all the non-Goku and Vegeta people are there for. So that they can deal with those people while Goku and Vegeta save up their stamina to fight the big hitters from the other Universes.
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>>153078060

CABBA SHONEN

Don't FORGET,
You're the successor of

One for Ayy
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>>153078219
Could very well be. Buu did go on a rampage for quite a while.
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hate to be that guy, but is there gonna be a new super saiyan god mode?
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>>153078228
>That's what all the non-Goku and Vegeta people are there for.
Why not have one more God level character to deal with it? Then they'd have a much better chance at victory than just hoping some jobber tires them out.
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>>153078257

That or goku perfected his god kaioken
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>>153074796
God damn autist
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>>153076495
The dude shot at Goku instead of just taking the loss and surviving back on Namek. That act alone proves he would never swallow his pride even if it meant his survival.
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>>153078202
>I'm mad people aren't agreeing with my ebin idea fuk roshi frieza is cooler and stronger ;_;
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>>153077768
Really? See what he replied to you and please tell me he isn't stupid.
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>>153078177
>This is a tournament arc, it is DIRECTLY relevant.

no you doofus, being logical or powerful doesn't fucking matter, what matters is "how will this push forwards what these characters are doing/feeling/going through right now. Freeza's had his story, it's fucking over, RoF was pushing it already, if RoF hadn't happened then it would have been a potential option, but it did.

>He doesn't need to be redeemed

Yes he does otherwise reviving him serves no purpose as there is nothing for him to do any more except repeat what has already happened. You can't just throw big things like "the arch nemesis is back from the dead" and let them go play on the fucking swings.

>Now, feel free to tell me what purpose Roshi has to be in there narratively, and how it's not retreading the same ground they covered in RoF.

He's not being revived, there doesn't need to be any larger narrative other than he might convay some wisdom. Think of it like this to get freeza there you have to do 100 units of work and narrative, you need a pay off, to get roshi there you need 1. You can have a small pay off.
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>>153078278
If he does, Vegeta will finally become completely irrelevant again.
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>>153078263

No such character exists. Perhaps gohan could have, if he had trained for the last 20 years, but he didn't, and they can't wind back the clock that far
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>>153076663
Master Super Saiyan, when one doesn't have to transform to use their full power. To me it looks like his hair is it's usual color with red aura surrounding him.
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>>153071533
>weak characters job
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>>153078263
So who would that God level character be? Gohan after getting trained by Whis? (fat chance, they seem to want to make Gohanfags suffer as much as possible), Frieza, who would play along just for the sake of saving his own hide? Cell, who would want to show everyone how perfect he really is and has Frieza's DNA so could probably grow to Golden level as well?

Or a new alien guy like Monaka but less like.. Monaka.
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>>153078263
You want the real reason?

Because no fucking one wants a tourney with a literally who out of nowhere on the side of the characters we've come to known and love for years with the cherry on top being that the character is also stronger than 99% of them and on par of Goku and Vegeta who have dedicated their entire lives to get as strong as they are.

People like and enjoy familiarity. Not random shit asspulled from out of nowhere for the sake of "variety".
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>>153078204
I know what to do. You need to think of purity. Purity like a tomboy jogging with her childhood friend. Pure like a tomboy.
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>>153078288
He was angry, cut in half, not thinking straight, and he thought he could kill goku.

The fact that he trained for 4 months proves he is willing to swallow his pride.
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>>153078228
It should also be noted that since the anime now takes direction from Toyotaro's drafts, his ssb penalty of activating it twice in a short amount of time might make it into the anime thus making stamina even more important than before.
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>>153077983
>When you have shit like the Frieza race and the fact that saiyans are also alien to Earth?
>Frieza race

No one strong as frieza, or even close to it

>saiyans are also alien to Earth?

All dead??

And that's the point, the only saiyan remnants are on earth. They have also have a namekian and a Majin, so yeah not originally from earth too.

That makes three fighters from earth, saiyan hybrid, saiyan from earth, and a saiyan not from earth along with two demon aliens.
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>>153078304
Honestly, if Gohan trained with Whis, he could probably be at that level quite quickly. Earth or single training doesn't seem to amount for much even if you give it time, while Goku and Vegeta's power skyrocketed from just a little training (in comparison) with Whis.
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>>153078304
Is Future Trunks available?
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>>153078338
Anon, I'm a very sensitive person when it comes to lewd. Please stop.
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>>153078301

No, vegeta will be there to defeat the final villain of dragon ball, the fighting obsessed multiversal threat, the Super Saiyan God, Son Goku
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>>153078342
And then instead of waiting for 2 months more to perfect the new form just in case he goes to earth right away and we all know how that ended.

No matter how Frieza's pride would come back to fuck over him.
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>>153078342
>The fact that he trained for 4 months proves he is willing to swallow his pride.
yeah, after he ran straight to earth with papa to get his ass killed, and still ended up rushing things once he found a new toy
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>>153078364

Two of them in fact, but beerus destroyed the time machine

but they are from different timelines, that may be considered cheating.
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>>153071379
Goku murdered all the strong people in the universe other than his friends on Earth.

I mean they were all evil but still the point stands, that's the best they can do because Goku killed everyone else.
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>>153078361
I didn't mean they have to get more saiyans, or whatever the Frieza race is. I mean that there's certainly more universal species variety in terms of appearance, power and abilities than we're let on. Yet we still keep returning to the very same planet.
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>>153078178
get that dumb monkey out of here
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>>153078309
it maybe just a red aura that changes him back or technique to use on the new final boss if said boss can seal away transformations.
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>>153078070
>There's no way Goku and Vegeta are the only ones at the level they're at for their universe.

I don't know, the Kaioshin and the God of Destruction of their universe seems to acknowledge it.
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>>153074796
He said Hercules. I misspelled it afterwards, but it doesn't change the fact that he's not talking about Satan.
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>>153078364
I don't think Beerus would be very happy with the whole time-travel thing again.
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>>153078393

Hey that's not fair, vegeta killed a bunch of them too.
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I wonder if one of the universes will have a Sarutobi Sasuke figure to contrast Goku's Son Wukong
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>>153078228
>Keep in mind that Beerus what surprised that there was someone out there that could beat Frieza
I always found this strange. Surely Beerus must've known about Buu, I can get that he might've missed Cell's brief existence though a god probably still should've picked up on it. But Given that Buu is an ancient evil that slaughtered the Kais Beerus really should know about him.

Guess it's just typical Frieza wank rather than actual logic that motivated that line of dialog.
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>>153078092
Roshi blew up the moon once.
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>>153078113

Not really, those are just the four parts of the Universe. Not galaxies.
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>>153078300
>no you doofus, being logical or powerful doesn't fucking matter,
Yes it does, if only to push forward the "these characters aren't here simply as a joke" narrative.

>Yes he does
No he doesn't. An uneasy truce between an equally powerful villain for the survival of the universe makes for interesting situations. Frieza could also *gasp* show some character growth by choosing to leave the earth alone after it was done. Or not. Doesn't matter, he'd still be beneficial to the current arc.

>He's not being revived, there doesn't need to be any larger narrative other than he might convay some wisdom.
Making roshi competitive at a universal level is worth more than "100 units of narrative", and they didn't even bother paying that debt when they did it in RoF.
So with roshi you are just recycling what you did in RoF, except it made slightly more sense then.
So no, if you're gonna act like Frieza shouldn't be in for literary reasons, don't pretend Roshi brings in more than he would.
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>>153077983
Could be more like Goku's the team captain and simply was instructed to pick the strongest people he can find, like last time.

Goten will be barred because of studying, and Trunks will decide against participating to help Bulma take care of Bra.
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>>153078413
I know. The Kaioshin and Beerus sure seem to think they're the most powerful, but Beerus has already been shown not to know that much of his universe.

But yeah, the writers want it to be that way so it is that way, I just think that when it comes to a probability thing, there should be a lot more fighters of different species, with different abilities and techniques, some that, like Hit, come close to Goku's level without training with Whis or Beerus.
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>>153078413
And the Kaoishin were already shitting their pants at Goku and Vegeta and Gohan power at the Buu saga.
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>>153078444

He may not have recognized buu due to his change in appearance.

Alternatively, Beerus might have come into existence to replace the previous god of destruction when buu killed the "grand supreme kai" or whatever his title was
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>>153078365
But anon, tomboys are pure. You must think of their purity.
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>>153076338
You are perfect.
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>>153078451

Leveling mountains is harder than blowing up the moon in DB. Perhaps it's much smaller and closer than our moon.
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>>153078468
>the writers want it to be that way so it is that way
spics are truly braindead
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>>153078329
Any of them would be fine. My point is don't act like jobber filler has any advantage to a team over anyone stronger.

>>153078331
Then bring in the villains. Or anyone who isn't a tits joke.
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>>153078486
I wish that, like with XV, there was some kind of purification ability that would allow Fat Buu to become Kid Buu, but that exact part of him was vanquished, so that's pretty much impossible.
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What do you guys think Android 17 was doing all these years?

Kinda surprised he didn't even contact 18 at all.
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>>153078491
Okay. That one is pure and cute.
Just no more spats close ups please.
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>>153078521
What? That's exactly the reason. They'd be entirely justified with littering the universe with powerful fighters, but they don't want to because it'd be harder for them to write, harder for them to focus on Earth fighters, and so on.
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>>153078530
Keeping people safe from bears and forest fires.
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>>153078460
>Yes it does, if only to push forward the "these characters aren't here simply as a joke" narrative.

>in order to be what I think is cool

> Frieza could also *gasp* show some character growth by choosing to leave the earth alone after it was done.

He's had the chance, you don't write the same situation 3 times. That's fucking terrible writing.

>Making roshi competitive at a universal level is worth more than "100 units of narrative", and they didn't even bother paying that debt when they did it in RoF.

No it's not he's the fucking sensei you just say "I have a few tricks up my sleeve" there, done. Freeza requires you to spend time setting up his revival, time spent on people dealing with it, and then what do you get out of the end? the exact same situation you've had before. If you wrote a series of books and did the same thing in 4 books with the same character do you think you'd say "man what a well written series"

Fuck no, RoF was pushing it as it was but it served as a vessel for a goku-vegeta story so it worked.

>Doesn't matter, he'd still be beneficial to the current arc.

Here's a hint, whoever the author thinks should win will win, whoever has the biggest numbers is irrelevant.
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>>153078384
>And then instead of waiting for 2 months more to perfect the new form
He was excited because he had achieved an absolutely monstrous, ridiculous increase in power and he thought it would be enough. And he wasn't experienced enough to realize his new form could have drawbacks.

>No matter how Frieza's pride would come back to fuck over him.
Possibly, but he'd still be far more valuable than 1/10th of a Radditz.
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>>153078402
Fine, have a Snake instead
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>>153078530
Park ranger man
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>>153078530
Jesus it's no wonder these threads are so shit when we have retards who don't even know such basic things browsing them and posting them.
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>>153078553
It's true. It's obvious Frieza will never get over his issues with Goku. That obsessive need to defeat and kill Goku is ingrained in him now. At best, Beerus could persuade Frieza to play nice if only to make sure his own universe doesn't get destroyed as a result of it.

But then after the tournament? What then? Frieza will inevitably want to kill Goku again and we'd have to retread the same plot again.
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>>153078399
And Frieza made an army with thousands of those species. Yet aside a few exceptions like the Ginyu force and Tagoma (only after training with Frieza) all of them are weaker than Krillin and Tien; and I think not even the Ginyu force is as powerful as them, although I could be wrong.
In the last invasion the only one stronger than a human was Tagoma. Roshii, Krillin and Tien were wiping the floor with Frieza's army. The three of them defeated many soldiers.
Since the two most powerful saiyans are on Earth and the most powerful namekian is also on Earth, whereas Frieza's family is extinct and his army proved to be weaker than humans, I don't think there's more powerful beings than there are on Earth. At least none that can participate in the tournament, because clearly both Beerus and Whis are more powerful, and even the kaios are more powerful than humans.
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So how long is a day to Zenno? 157th hour in a single day? Must be long as shit.
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>>153074558

Anon Piccolo killed him too.
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Present Zen-Oh will forget about the whole 'losers get erased thing'
Future Zen-Oh will get pissed off, throw a tantrum and kill present Zen-Oh, establishing himself as the penultimte big bad

Goku and Vegeta will sacrifice their god forms in the process of defeating him, and Beerus will turn his back on Goku threatening to wipe out his entire galaxy if he ever sees his face again
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>>153078557
>Possibly, but he'd still be far more valuable than 1/10th of a Radditz.

You are aware this isn't real right? it's a story. The author controls everything, he doesn't need to take "this is the exact optimal composition of fighters" because he controls the opposition, the situation and everything else. If eh says that Roshi is competitive with some of the strongest fighters from other universes then he is.
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>>153078557
>He was excited because he had achieved an absolutely monstrous, ridiculous increase in power and he thought it would be enough. And he wasn't experienced enough to realize his new form could have drawbacks.
Also he hadn't realized just how ridiculously powerful Goku had become. If Goku had never met Beerus and trained with Whis, his strongest form would likely still be Super Saiyan 3, which Golden Frieza could stomp within a minute.
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>>153073117
>Gohan/Buu tier
>Gohan in the same tier as Buu
Not funny.
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>>153073268
>Gohan wanted to fight and train alot too when he was young


He was a bitch the entire time.

He just wanted to have fun in the woods.
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>>153073566
>Roshi is able to go toe to toe with god level beings
Why does it have to be god level? OTher universes will have weak contenders too
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>>153078553
>He's had the chance, you don't write the same situation 3 times.
It's not the same situation, though, because this time Frieza would be given a chance from god to cooperate for the survival of everything. It wouldn't be his minions offering him an escape.

>>153078553
>No it's not he's the fucking sensei you just say "I have a few tricks up my sleeve" there, done.
Where were his tricks during the saiyan, cell, frieza or buu sagas? That's right, he's got nothing. And you still get nothing out of the character save from the same old tit jokes he's done a million times and maybe some jobber fodder like 20 other characters could do.

>Fuck no, RoF was pushing it
Funny, RoF had roshi doing the same shit.

>>153078553
>Here's a hint, whoever the author thinks should win will win
And if the author is unable to convince the reader that things should have happened that way, he fails.
It's much harder to convince anyone that Roshi will do anything of relevance, than to convince people Frieza could. Meaning Roshi can bring nothing but at best beating up some shit tier jobbers.
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>>153078629
Well, the opening shows Gohan activating his mystic form, which would put him above Buu and right under Vegeta.

How long he will keep it before returning back into nerdy family man can't even go super saiyan without mindbreak-state? I don't know, but for now they did show that.
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>>153073117
Gohan is not the same as Buu. He forgot how to turn Super Saiyan for a long time. And I know for a fact can't go Mystic anymore.
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>>153077950
thicc teletubby mommy
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>>153078619
>You are aware this isn't real right? it's a story
Stories need to be internally consistent. If you can't convince your audience shit should have happened the way you wrote it, you are a shit fucking writer.
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>>153078630
If anything, people should latch onto Goten. Goten wants to become stronger and fight, but Chichi is trying to turn him into a second Gohan.
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>>153073789

Because he's a baby not much older than Pan.
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>>153078678
>And I know for a fact can't go Mystic anymore.
Did you see the opening?
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>>153078641
You shouldn't bet the survival of your universe on other universes bringing the weak elderly.
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>>153078662
>It's much harder to convince anyone that Roshi will do anything of relevance

It's pretty easy, only edgelords that tihnk "this isn't enough about powerlevels" are unconvinced.
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>>153078593
He would betray him DURING the tournament. Why the fuck would he wait until it's done? All he needs is to be allowed to fight for another Universe that has less than 10 fighters and get Zenoh to agree. Then Beerus cannot touch him, period. Resurrecting a conniving piece of shit like Frieza is literally the worst thing you could ever do.
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>>153078724
He probably doesnt feel the effects of aging outside appearance.
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Everyone is talking about Frieza helping the team, but no one has considered the true emperor yet.

Cooler.

With Fem!Broly now canonical, they could give us Fem!Cooler.

Why? Because she's Cooler.
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>>153078694
everyone but you is going along with it. Maybe, just maybe, you're the dumbass.
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How could Toriyama throw the youngest saiyans out to the side?
They had potential to be even stronger than Goku and Vegetable, now they're just some gag side characters
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>>153078263
Piccolo maybe?

He could met some namekians from other universe and fuse with him/them, not on the survival arc but later ( when zeno or priest goes full vilains )
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>>153078755
How would Frieza join another universe's team when the whole point of it is that ten fighters from one universe duke it out with ten fighters from another?
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>>153078761

Well we already know Frost is coming back

...Which makes me wonder, do you think maybe he'll have been trained by Vados and unlocked Golden Frost?
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move here everyone, autistic mod is probably asleep by now

>>153078660
>>153078660
>>153078660
>>153078660
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>>153078825
nevermind
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>>153078815
Frost is a fucking pussy. Coolerina would rape his ass.
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>>153078539
Just as the pure tomboy says, there is nothing lewd there. Listen to the tomboy
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>>153078825
>>153078852
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>>153078776
>They had potential to be even stronger than Goku and Vegetable

Can't have anyone steal the show from them or else fans will bitch.
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>>153078908
I miss Super and Kid Buu. I wish the Buu we had was a bit more like them, but less - you know, evil. Fuck Uub.
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So next few eps are going to be filler and a prelim match before the real shit?
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>>153077443
my dick is diamonds
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>>153078952
Training filler that the manga might skip over.
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>>153078738
Powerlevels stopped mattering ages ago. The measuring was simply a gadget during the first sagas of Z. By the time Buu came already no one was talking about precise PL, it was all "he's more or less as powerful as that other guy is".
Super picked where Buu left and kept that idea. Right now we have the power of gods, the power of ssj and the power of base saiyans or humans. That's about it. There's no exact measurements.
It looks like humans can hold their own against base saiyans, we'll see if they can reach higher levels or not, but most likely they won't. Krillin and Tien are at this level, Roshii already showed in RoF that he's up there as well. But then you have the PL idiots who come and say "but in a magazine they released once it said that Roshii's power was 134.58745668 and that means he shouldn't be able to deal with Frieza's army". As if what a fucking magazine said 20 years ago mattered.
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>>153078952
I really want to know what is going through Grand Priest's mind.

Does he enjoy Zenno's shit?
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>>153078815
>Golden Frost
Platinum Frost.
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>>153078985
It's weird cause it's against U9. Weird place to put filler.
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>>153078944
exactly they were fun and menacing but sadly that bland fuck will probably become canon at the end of super
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>>153079087
He's already canon in super.
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>>153078761
Yeah I was speculating how Universe 6's team might be an excuse to reintroduce popular movie characters as new characters with similar designs
If I'm correct, the team would be

>Hit
>Cabba
>Frost
>Frost's brother/sister, based on Cooler
>another one of Frieza's race but mechanical, based on Meta Cooler
>fem-Broly
>a Namekian based on Slug
>a swordsman guy based on Tapion
>an android based on 13
>Magetta
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>>153079009
It wouldn't surprise me if he were behind Zenoh's shit. I don't trust that guy.
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>>153077950
Female Majin?
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>>153079137
Or just a canon version of Cooler.

It depends, if fem-Broly is inexplicably on or near god level, or even on Gohan level despite the fact that the non-canon Broly never would be able to take on Mystic Gohan, then they could do the same for Cooler and his Final Form, and make those two take each other on.

Obviously, that's not happening, of course.
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>>153077417
But bro, he trained for a couple months and now has god level powers.
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>>153078910
Because we dont give a fuck about those characters. We certainly don't care about these little shits who we've never seen train all that much.
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Why didn't they bring Future Trunks?
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>>153079952
cos future trunk is for bully he must not be happy
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>>153079952
Beerus broke the time machine and will Hakai Bulma if she makes a new one
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>>153079952
he's too busy being the Supreme Kai of Time's boytoy
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>>153080000
Can't argue with those digits
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>>153080036
Hell yeah.
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>>153080150
that's not an ass that's a tumor
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>>153080219
You have a tumor on your eyelid that is obscuring your vision?
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>>153077372
She'll job to 18 or Gohan
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