Today I will remind them

>>153049256
Rei was literally shinji's reincarnated mother so loving her would be incest. Asuka is the only choice for him and that's shown by the numerous lewd scenes involving the two.

Well, atleast Rei is actually a girl unlike the other one.

That ms paint ghost is super cute.

Rei is best girl
i mean i like Asuka but Rei is objectively best girl

>>153049512
ms paint ghost best girl desu

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>>153049468
>>153049529
when will people learn
worst girl always wins

Rei: super-human
Asuka: sub-human

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When will people learn that Misato is best girl?

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Fixed.

>>153049578
>the battle is eternal
feels good and bad at the same time
>>153049665
that feels only bad

>>153051495
>superior body
It wasn't Asuka that lost her arm

Rei is so cute

>>153051495
>Rei is non-human alien
And that's why Anno hates you

>>153051657
Asuka lost her eye, arms, and more. Hell she even lost her souls, cause Rei just took it.

Rei grew back her arm and started flying.

>>153051681
Nah, that's why you hate Rei, because she's better.

>asuka
>human
She's a Lilin first and foremost. That's the lore, don't like it, go to some other franchise.

>>153051783
>Rei is better
Rei is shit

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>>153051807
Rei is better than your waifu and you hate it.

Reminder that Asuka is a worthless fuckpuppet and Kaworu is an evil faggot who got righteously killed.

>>153051885
I don't give a fuck about Rei because I know she's shit and an obedient doll, even with her godpowers. In the original she's even more of an obedient doll, pure shit, confirmed by Anno himself, who's a based Asukafag. That's actually what Reifags like about her. Asuka, on the other hand, along with Shinji, finds strength to come back to life, besides being just lilin. She's a strong girl who won't refuse to fight even on the blink of death.
Verdict: Rei is pure shit, Asuka is pure goddess

>>153051783
>Asuka lost her eye, arms, and more. Hell she even lost her souls, cause Rei just took it.
Asuka getting injured isn't the same as an arm randomly falling off .
>Rei grew back her arm and started flying.
Because of Adam. If she always had the ability to regenerate, she wouldn't need to body hop three times.

>>153052143
>Asuka getting injured isn't the same as an arm randomly falling off .

An arm "randomly falling off" isn't the same as AT-field interference having an effect on Rei's body.

>Because of Adam. If she always had the ability to regenerate, she wouldn't need to body hop three times.

Nice fanwank. Why didn't Kaworu just regenerate his head then? Being either Lilith or Adam based, Rei would still be able to regenerate as the EVA's, being Lilith or Adam based are also able to.

Not only that, Rei did show her super-powers in NGE, meaning you can safely put your fanwank in the trash.

>B-B-BUT
but what? Don't be such a butthurt loser like this guy: >>153052136

who thinks that the canonical DOLL Asuka is anything but a weak toilet for men's semen (canonical, remember EoE?)

Rei wasn't aware she could regenerate or do anything supernatural at all, remember how they kept telling her she was worthless and all?

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>>153052136
>She's a strong girl who won't refuse to fight even on the blink of death.

nah, she's a fucking loser who gives up first chance she gets. Asuka is nothing more than a doll with no personality. All she was ever good for was doujins and sex appeal, and even then grown men like Kaji didn't want her.

Because only manchildren like Asuka.

Why is Ikari Shinji Raising Project so enjoyable?

>>153052327
>Why didn't Kaworu just regenerate his head then?
His S2 core got crushed with the rest of him.
Angels are unkillable, regenerating endlessly so long as their core is intact.
Kaworu's core wasn't in his head.

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Everyone likes Rei, except ugly otaku.

Rei is pretty, nice, self-sacrificing and someone who is strong enough to grow and confront her sadness and hindrances in life. She's a genuine heroine, THE heroine of Evangelion, it's poster girl and most beloved.

Asuka is supposed to be a weird, creepy and unnatural take on the tsundere cliche, and NGE goes far in showing you how she's the root of all problems in people's lifes: escapism and self delusion.

>>153051495
>50% adam
What is this reifags fanwank

>>153050243
A man of patrician taste.

>>153051495
Except Rei has absolutely no Adam DNA or lineage until the moment before GNR. Lurk for two years before posting. Rei is not a perfect clone, as noted by fucked up hair and eye color, as well as the numerous pills she has to take to survive.

>>153052527
>His S2 core got crushed with the rest of him.
>Kaworu's core wasn't in his head.

Fanwank. NEXT

Kaworu is the worst Evangelion character, whose sole appeal is homosexual tension. It is a character that goes straight against the warning of Evangelion, that one against escapism.

People who like Kaworu don't get Evangelion.

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>>153052599
>>153052564
Nice try, but you're wrong.

In NGE, it is never said that Rei is a clone of either Adam or Yui. It is in fact never said that she's a clone at all, but an "engineered human being" of sorts. That's the only reference you'll find, where e.g the EVA's are "copies" of either Adam or Lilith respectively.

Now, we know Rei isn't a clone of Yui, so what else is there?

Sadamoto claims when asked about Rei, that the settei for character stated that she was 50% Adam, and 50% Yui. That's where the info in the chart comes from.

Also, your evageek otaku retardation is showing, this is just a memetic take on OP's chart, there's no need to be this serious about it. I'd tell you to lurk some more, but you're just rabid otaku who only want to spread hate anyway.

Have a nice day.

>>153052617
You're just mad

>>153050243

Came here to post this. I have trouble understanding why most Eva fans fawn over Asuka or Rei over Misato. I don't mean that to start shit, either. I sincerely, non-judgmentally don't get it.

>>153052918
I like Misato myself, but if we were to actually look objectively at the character, in many respects it wont look as good as you think. Second to Rei in my opinion.

>>153052617
Anno doesn't get Evangelion?

>>153052852
You just don't get NGE + that makes you turbomad.

>>153053009
No. He made the Rebuilds - I rest my case.

>>153053101
You're insane if you think you know more about Eva than the creator

>>153053157
Refer to my previous post: he made the Rebuilds. The case is resting. Whether he "got" it or not is irrelevant since he abandoned it.

>>153050243
Way ahead of you

>>153053259
You can abandon something you got. People do it all the time.

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Anon says only weak men like Rei, and that they can't handle strong women like Asuka and Misato

>>153051495
Lilith isn't a superior being, after all it was mass produced by the greys.

>>153053364
Anno is a weak otaku manchild, so he's just projecting.

Rei was stronger than Asuka, so what he says doesn't make sense anyway.

>>153053388
....and the menstruation clots from Lilith who ran down the drain and seeped out in the ocean, malformed and became the hideous creature known as Asuka.

Rei > Asuka.

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>>153050243
>Misato will never /ss/ you after living in her house for over a year because your father wanted you to pilot your robo-mom and you have difficulties with adult life
Why live?

>>153053364
>5'1

he should know about not being able to handle women

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>>153052771
>never said that she's a clone of Yui
-looks just like the Yui we see in flashbacks
-Shinji notes that Rei acts "like a mother"

>in fact, its never said that she's a clone at all
-pic

>>153049256
this show was absolute shit, why do so many people care about these hoes?

its 2017 and you faggots are still doing this shit?

>>153053512
-looks just like the Yui we see in flashbacks
-Shinji notes that Rei acts "like a mother"
-pic

Yes, and?

>>153053546
kys

>>153053571
considering that she "comes back to life" twice in the series, its pretty clear that she is a clone.

>>153053553
Thing is, anyone watching the NGE show can tell that Rei is better in more or less every way that matters.

The problem is that otaku and waifufags don't really care. This includes Anno, who provides these weak people the authority fallacy they need to keep claiming Asuka is anything more than a lame copy of Anno's own fetishes: >>153053364

Asuka fans have no will of their own, they just side with Anno because that makes them feel safe.

>>153053668
Heard of reincarnation? Besides, nothing you've written so far has had anything to do with Rei being a clone of Yui.

If she were, they'd say so outright.

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>>153053571
you didn't refute any of his points, you just listed them off again

>>153049578
What will there be to debate, inferior primates like asukafags would have gone extinct by then. It's the Reifags that will build a space faring civilization.

>>153053740
he's saying that he wants to fuck his mom

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>>153053740
He didn't make any points to counter mine. He noted some observations and made no arguments.

None of the observations he had counter the facts I laid out for you in >>153052771

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>>153052918
She is without a doubt my favorite girl and I love her, but I can set aside my bias and take an objective lens.
Looking at it externally, Misato's an absolute fuckup who is only respectable in that she keeps her complete fucking ruin of a life to herself and harms nobody else. She's a drunken layabout who has no grasp of how to help other people whatsoever. She can, at the very least, clean up enough to do her damn job and save the world, but not a single drop more than that.

>>153051657
She got it back moment's later, Asuka will forever keep an extra fuckhole under her eyepatch.

>>153053738
>if she were, they'd say so outright
this is hideaki anno we're talking about

>>153053738
Shinji mentions on multiple occasions that he doesn't like Rei romantically. Do you need someone to explicitly say it in the series for you to believe it? Because its pretty simple to infer it from what we have

>>153053852
You mean the guy who elaborately lists out every characters inner problems, thoughts and situations in drawn out introspection scenes?
The guy who spends more time telling than showing?

>>153053009
He really doesn't

>>153053875
I don't remember saying anything about Shinji, or what he thinks about Rei.

Why are you bringing it up? Could it be that you're a butthurt shipper who's so afraid of Rei because she's better than your waifu/husbando that you need to make up stuff that Rei's a clone of Shinji's mom and whatnot?

In a way, Rei is everyone's mother, so your point is super-moot to begin with.

Have you ever considered that killing yourself would improve the fanbase by an order of magnitude?

>>153053984
The only point I'm making is that Shinji recognizes his mother in Rei, but your autism clearly can't make that inference. Nice reddit spacing too, fag

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>>153053829
She's an emotional wreck, but she's hyper-competent at what she does and unlike everyone else, she doesn't let it cripple her.

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>>153054103
Also she's gorgeous and has a heart of gold.

>>153054057
So in other words, I was completely right. Here you are posting butthurt "shipping trivia" claiming it to be "inferences". You don't have a point.

>>153054166
alright buddy, you can say you won yet another internet argument, congrats

>>153053829
>>153054103
I like that Misato fags are realistic and clearheaded about her. Their attitude makes her good points even more notable, and her bad points more understandable.

>>153054201
Don't really care. But you should care about how obnoxious and dumb you are. Thanks for making this fanbase worse.

>>153049412
She wasn't her reincarnated, she had her own soul. Yui's soul was inside Unit 01

What's the name of the term of all humans becoming one being?

>>153054379
Lilin

>>153054417
I mean outside of EVA

>>153054379
Instrumentality, which is one of various forms Third Impact can take (and the form it did take in End of Evangelion).

>>153054437
There is no universal media term, but the TV Tropes name for it is "Assimilation Plot".

>>153054437
decomposition

>>153054437
singularity?

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Honk.

>>153053829

What do Rei and Asuka bring to the table that Misato doesn't, though?

Also, this is kind of a cheap shot, but if we're going to be objective about things, there's also the fact that Asuka and Rei are both 14. And it's not like in a lot of anime where the girls look and act a lot older than their chronological age: they look and behave like actual young teenagers, and that's something I could never get out of my head when watching NGE for the first time. It's actually one of the things I really liked about the show, but it makes it very hard for me to look at them sexually/romantically.

>>153054437
some Hegelian shit

>>153054437
>>153054503
A serious guess of what you're thinking is Hive-mind, or Singularity, but that has broader possibilities.

>>153054437
Synthesis; the reconciliation of the thesis and antithesis

>>153054556
>Asuka and Rei are both 14
>they look and behave like actual young teenagers
>very hard for me to look at them sexually/romantically

what the fuck are you doing here?

>>153051495
>mental gymnastics

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>>153054556
I think part of their teenage appeal is that irrationality, it's like how some people still pine for the insane teenage first love that they experienced (or perceived others to have experienced).

>>153054556
>What do Rei and Asuka bring to the table that Misato doesn't, though?

Rei brings to the table being a goddess. Sort of hard to beat. Adding to that, one could say Rei brings to the table being selfless and kindhearted, at a young age. When Misato was around 14, she did seem a bit more selfish.

Rei might grow up to be more brilliant at 28.

>>153054689
>the canon lore
>mental gymnastics

wew lad. Asukafags sure like their denial.

>>153054718
>KNOCK KNOCK OPEN UP THE DOOR IT'S REAL
>WITH THE NON-STOP POP-POP AND STAINLESS STEEL

>>153054850
[dog noises intensify]

>>153054723
>When Misato was around 14, she did seem a bit more selfish.
Only time we saw Misato at that age she had experienced severe trauma and was even more of a mute than Rei.

>>153054723
Misato was fucking comotose

And Rei isn't 14, her first clone didn't show up until a year after yui died, making her around 9.

>>153054947
>>153054981
Sure thing. I was referring to how she hated on her dad and all.

>>153055062
Her parents' marriage was strained, you can hardly call a girl selfish for being angry with her dad about that. She still would travel with him despite that.

>>153055172
Don't take it the wrong way. Not faulting anyone for it, but I said "more", and compared to Rei who's nearly selfless....

if anything, it's a problem that Rei is too selfless.

>>153049256
>Dead woman
she's not dead

>>153055273
That is Rei's biggest fucking problem.

>>153055273
>if anything, it's a problem that Rei is too selfless.
She's emotionally dead because nobody really treats her like a person.

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>>153055360
>>153055569
So why didn't Misato invite her to stay with her? Isn't she interested in girls?

>>153055629
Gendo probably.

>>153055629
My take is that she reminds her too much of herself at that age. I'm going from memory so maybe it's something my mind is tricking me into but I think there's a line where she says that she finds Rei hard to deal with.

>>153049256
Please put the names Rei and/or Asuka in your post somewhere so that your cancerous garbage thread gets caught by my filter, faggot.

>>153051495
Asukafags BTFO

Rei IS a clone of Yui get over it
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Rei_Ayanami

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Why can't we have posts like this one? Shit flinging is boring.

>>153056548
>some butthurt reihater wrote a rei article
>locked it down so no one can edit it

This is the problem of the EVA fanbase, the EVA haters.

>>153049256
physically healthy, but definitely not mentally

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>>153050243
Easily best girl

>>153056641
Dear delusional reifags, when you will stop bullshitting?

>>153056756
>some butthurt reihater wrote a rei article
>locked it down so no one can edit it
>some anally devastated Rei-hater defends this

This is the problem of the EVA fanbase, the Rei haters.

>>153056756
You gotta admit that there's a problem with evageeks when they use their wiki to push fanboy agenda. They're a glorified TVTRopes

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>>153056641
>>153056756
>>153056954
My favorite go-to evidence that Evageeks are worthless and not taking their conclusions seriously.

>>153050243
It comes with age

>>153052548
They were all beautiful. Except for Keele, he was a badass. /all-debate-threads

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TWENTY TWO FUCKING YEARS
TWENTY TWO YEARS OF THIS SHIT
MAKE IT STOP

>>153057416
top kek

>>153049643
seconded

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>>153058889
NO
REI BESTGIRL

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>>153060032
ASUKA IS BETTER!

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>>153058889
Sex and death are the only two escapes from the hivemind.

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>>153060174
I want off Mr.Anno's wild ride.

>>153053740
Don't waste your time. I'm not anti-Rei or Reifag, but that guy posts this shit a lot. He has truly severe autism and can't accept anything that doesn't fit what he wants to believe.

Evangelion was mediocre.

>>153060032
36,832,112 posts since when that image was created and your post just now.

That's over two years ago.

>>153055762
Misato taking in Shinji was a spur-of-the-moment decision when she learned he'd be staying by himself in an apartment on the edge of town like Rei was.
Rei has already been established to her and has been getting along just fine on her own, but Misato feels she has to take care of Shinji.
Then when Asuka comes into town, Misato decides two house slaves to take care of her place is better than one.

>>153060298
I want to keep the experience while getting rid of the pain. Also, the second hand shame from waifufags and memespouters is eroding me.

>>153060519
Anti Rei/Reifag detected.

>>153058889
Worst part is that it won't ever end because waifufags like >>153060519
can't even admit to themselves that they're blind haters.

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>>153053571
>>153053826

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>You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Hmm...

>>153061002
I want a third pill. One that lets me see the emotional and ideological background behind the lie.

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If Asuka is best girl, why'd she get choked?

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>>153061002
Works for EVA too.

>Asuka

Spends her life working to be a good EVA pilot, something she doesn't even like or find interesting in simply because the "Man" told her to. She doesn't care about what the EVA is underneath it all, and does not function without her "Best EVA pilot delusions". She refuses to see the truth, and therefore cannot escape the system. Rather than dealing with her own problems, she collapses. She dies a puppet.

>Rei

Spends her time under oppression from the "Man", but does not shy away from looking at what's around her despite how horrifying it is. She seeks the truth about herself and what's around her and therefore knows many things which others do not, and her constant introspection and experience with others leads her to escape the system and even defeat it's architect. Rei confronts her own problems and learns from them. She is reborn a God.

Picking Asuka = Blue pill
Picking Rei = Red pill

>>153061182
It's called the Rei pill.

"The EVA's have souls."

>>153061182
You aren't ready for the third pill. You aren't free.

>>153061521
If Rei is somewhat good, why she doesn't come back from LCL?

>>153052427
>, she's a fucking loser who gives up first chance she gets
Stop reading there.

>>153061847
Rei never was in the LCL. She is the entity that surrounds the LCL.

She's still outside the LCL in the end, she's in the final scene.

>>153060676
The ride truly never ends.

>>153061921
Baited.

>>153061892
Why, did the truth hurt too much?

>>153061590
Neither are you. Matrix is other people. (Sartrei)

>>153061958
I thought we were talking EVA?

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>>153061847
Best girls don't get choked, that's just common sense

>>153062299
Best girls come back to life, that's just common sense.

>>153062299
It's as if you didn't understand the meaning of Evangelion

>>153061544
"you believe what you want to believe"
Hmmmmmmm...

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>>153061002
>No purple pill
o-ok...

>>153062600
Rei is the deliverer of truth and warns against escapism. This is why she guides people in Instrumentality.

>>153062299
>he's not into choking

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>>153062803
Knowlegde and means of escape are completely unrelated to one another.

>>153063268
Do you just write random shit?

>>153049256
both mentally retarded.

>>153051495
This and this
>>153061544

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>>153063853

>>153051495
>>153049256
So this particular picture of Rei, does someone have it and is willing to shar?

Also was Rei's DNA not mixed with Lilith's and that is how they got her soul in the first place by mixing Yui and Lilith DNA?
Adam was only added later to it.

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>>153049256
>being racist against aliens
Don't hate.

>>153052599
Rei has altered hair and eye color because they mixed some lilith in that dna juice.
Rei takes drugs because they use her for regular experiments.

>>153049412
Go away moot.

>>153054437
Emerson's notion of the Over-soul is analogous

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>>153064323
Here

Rei a shit

Reminder that Shinji is straight

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>>153066867
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>153051783
>She's a Lilin first and foremost.
So she's a human, then.

>>153067632
A Lilin. We're humans, she's a cartoon character in a science fiction universe.

In NGE, humans have literal force fields that keep them together from being goo.

Is this a new series?

>>153067714
And how does this make her not-human? All it really means is that humanity originated slightly differently in NGE.

>>153067798
Relatively speaking, Gilgamesh is about 4-5,000 years old.

>>153068063
>And how does this make her not-human? All it really means is that humanity originated slightly differently in NGE.

In other words, human in NGE != human as we know it. Basically, they call the EVA's human too in Evangelion, so it's more sane to drop the distinction.

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Would you give her the lick?

>>153069304
>licking shit

No thanks.

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Asukafags call Rei and emotionless doll. However, there are several instances in which Rei shows emotion throughout the series. Her emotions are expressed in a quiet, subtle way. This contrasts greatly with Asuka's exaggerated emotions which cause Asukafags to believe Rei is an "emotionless doll". The "doll" part is also a criticism used against Rei, as well as her having no character development, but Rei discarding her identity as an obedient doll is her entire character development, Rei's entire character just contradicts Asukafags' criticism of such. Rei contemplates her own existence in the series. She asks herself why she exists, who she is. Her existential identity crisis as an expendable tool is her internal struggle, much like Asuka's is her self-loathing and insecurities as a pilot, and Shinji's self-loathing and loneliness (among many other things).
When Rei breaks Gendo's glasses in the series, this represents her rejecting her identity as an expendable tool. In the End of Evangelion, when Gendo attempts to initiate the Third Impact his way, she rejects him and initiates it herself, completely destroying all of Gendo's accomplishments and attempts into rejoining Yui. She does this so that Shinji has his own control over the Third Impact. She ultimately chooses Shinji over Gendo in the end, which represents her overcoming her identity of Gendo's expendable tool.
I'm convinced that Asukafags who call Rei and "emotionless doll" have not actually watched the show, or they are lying to themselves for their own agenda.

>>153064426
Lala is Rape Material

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>>153069397
Not even a little lick?

>>153069619
Right on.

>>153069619
Piloting is one of the only things she feels strongly about and half of your pics are just that, piloting.

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>>153050243
What makes her best girl?

>>153069796
16 out of 52.

So 30%.

>half

does it even matter if it's an EVA? Point of that thing is to show "hey guys, rei makes faces."

>>153069206
Yeah, I know what you were getting at. Just seemed a daft distinction to make, given that unlike Adam (who is also called a human, if I remember rightly) they don't differ from regular humans by anything except the AT field.

>>153069885
It's not really daft mate. Point is for you to not be a racist bigot by discriminating against Rei or others whenever it suits your fancy.

>>153069206
There are no humans in fiction then.

>>153070019
Don't be stupid. If fiction doesn't provide anything contrary in the very foundation of what makes a human, it's OK to assume they're human. But Evangelion brings in a lot of things that really contradict us.

That's when we, as adults, realize that this is really about the human condition, and that the human condition may be represented in abstract or "lifelike" forms.

Therefore it makes no sense to discriminate against Rei, because it's her struggle it's about.

>>153062395
we're onto you, N

>>153069933
It just seems daft to call the ostensibly actually human humans not human in a series where things that are definitely not human are referred to as human, you know?

>Point is for you to not be a racist bigot
Ah, you'd never catch me being a bigot towards the cute lil' genetic mixup, I just disagreed with your assessment of what is and isn't human in NGE.

>>153070096
>and that the human condition may be represented in abstract or "lifelike" forms.
Slightly off-topic, but I had the exact same experience playing Drakengard 3. For a game which has a cast consisting of six corpses, a dragon, a robot and a flock of birds they're all really goddamned human.

>>153052548
>implying that anyone other than ugly otakus like Rei

She's the obvious choice for shut-ins and rejects who don't understand why being with a woman with flaws is superior. Rei is the least realistic character in NGE barring Kaworu.

>>153070096
>But Evangelion brings in a lot of things that really contradict us.
What, aside from the AT field?

>>153070371
>It just seems daft to call the ostensibly actually human humans not human in a series where things that are definitely not human are referred to as human, you know?

Rei is ostensibly human as well.

>I just disagreed with your assessment of what is and isn't human in NGE.
Then you disagree with the show.

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>>153070826
>She's the obvious choice for shut-ins and rejects who don't understand why being with a woman with flaws is superior.

No, that'd be Asuka, the tsundere cliche. Asuka is the perfect choice for shutins and rejects, because they think all women and girls are hostile bitches, thus they try to feel better about themselves by liking the worst girl. As if picking the worst girl would somehow not make them shut ins and rejects. Rei is the choice of a nation, while Asuka is the choice for Otaku. This is why there's more porn doujins and fanfics of Asuka, despite the fact that Rei is far more popular.

Plus Rei is very realistic.

>>153071590
>Rei is ostensibly human as well
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. My disagreement here is with the Lilin not being humans like us.

>Then you disagree with the show.
No, I disagree with you. You said "human in NGE != human as we know it" but the only difference shown thus far is the presence of an AT field, which is more of a psychological thing if I remember rightly - Angels and EVAs can physically project it, but it's actually a mental consciousness barrier.

>>153071701
>Asuka is the perfect choice for shutins and rejects, because they think all women and girls are hostile bitches, thus they try to feel better about themselves by liking the worst girl.

If shut-ins resented women for being bitches their first instinct would be to like the woman who is different than the ones they have been rejected by, not to try to seem normal by picking a character they think is normal.

>Plus Rei is very realistic.

Care to back that up? She's literally detached from the human world because she is a clone and hasn't been raised like any other human. She's quiet and emotionless to the point of absurdity that you would only see in a mentally ill person.

>>153071915
>Yeah, I don't disagree with that. My disagreement here is with the Lilin not being humans like us.
But they aren't. They just look human.

At best you can argue they're the closest thing.

>No, I disagree with you. You said "human in NGE != human as we know it" but the only difference shown thus far is the presence of an AT field, which is more of a psychological thing if I remember rightly - Angels and EVAs can physically project it, but it's actually a mental consciousness barrier.

How doesn't that validate me? Humans or beings with AT-field fields aren't human as we know it, as humans don't have AT-fields, nor are they reducable to goo. Moreover, the mechanics of the soul and the Lilin being evolutionary different from us is also a big thing. NGE even goes as far as to explain loneliness and anxiety with the fact that our souls are separate rather than joined.

Sure it's all metaphoric, but if we're to take it as it is, then they really aren't human as we know it.

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>>153071999
>If shut-ins resented women for being bitches their first instinct would be to like the woman who is different than the ones they have been rejected by, not to try to seem normal by picking a character they think is normal.

Nope. That's why the tsundere archetype exists and has been part of anime long before Evangelion even existed. Shutins and otaku, one prime example being Anno himself, instinctively grasp for the tsundere because they recognize the fact that they are otaku shutins. Therefore they need to reach for the "poisoned" alternative AKA "worst girl", in order to fool themselves into thinking that they aren't simply picking the most pleasant option. In reality, they're deluding themselves on an even more dangerous level than others because this line of thought makes them believe they aren't guilty of escapism.

Anno even went as far as creating his own waifu that'd be "realistic", despite the fact that it's a figment of his imagination. Moreover, it's a trademark argument coming from such shutins that the character is more "real" or "realistic", despite the obvious fact that both are simply cartoons.

The way normal, healthy people relate to cartoons is far more simple, they look at the character for what it is. In that regard, Rei simply comes off as more exciting, mysterious and good when compared to Asuka. The preference is known, and this is why Japan as a whole prefers Rei over Asuka.

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>>153071999
>>153072296
...also, Rei is quite obviously disturbed. The fact that she's emotionally disturbed, lacking in normal expression and more is perfectly consistent with how she's been raised. Years of emotional abuse, emotional neglect and downright physical abuse can do strange things to a person.

Realism in fiction is relative - a perfectly normal human can be unrealistic versus a fairy tale monster, all depending on characterization and development. Realistic responses and reactions, as well as a solid foundation for WHY a character thinks what it thinks is important.

>>153072296
>>153072358
I mean maybe I'm just biased because I prefer Asuka over Rei, and the only shut-ins I know prefer Rei. You make a decent point about realism, but I think Asuka's behavior as a result of her traumatic past is a lot more realistic than Rei's situation.

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>>153072515
It's not. In fact, it's forced. To really make Asuka a realistic character, we'd have to include WHY she wouldn't change or get over her issues in the years she grew up. We know with Rei, because during her entire lifespan, she was under constant threat of erasure, and she was experimented on and treated as a tool. She was even killed once to prove a point.

>>153072635
She didn't change or get over her issues because her traumatic past molded who she is. Stuff like that can't just be worked out. It's also not helpful that she never had normal parents. Her real mother was insane and killed herself, while her adopted parents were afraid of her and thus distanced because of the way she behaved.

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>>153072817
>She didn't change or get over her issues because her traumatic past molded who she is. Stuff like that can't just be worked out.
Yeah, this is the dealbreaker here. The traumatic past cliche - it doesn't make for realistic characters as much as it makes for stereotypical characters. In reality, many if not most people experience trauma and do not suffer severe or crippling issues later. Some people experience something, but get their act together and refuse to let it shape them, even in worse conditions than with Asuka. Think Fritzl-level torture here. With Asuka, she's had more normal parents than most of the world has. What she doesn't have, is ideal conditions - but then again, who does?

What NGE should have explored in this case if we were to make for a realistic character in Asuka, is what makes a person able to survive and move onwards from trauma. What made Asuka unable to do so?

There are far more problems with Asuka's entire character being defined by a backstory segment. It's like an achilles heel. It's especially bad for Asuka since, well....

her entire backstory is a ripoff. That's right. Anno just copied it from his favorite Nausicaa character Kushana, possibly after Miyazaki (Mr. Oscar) denied him to make a frivolous otaku fanboyfest OVA with her.

Anytime someone figures out a way to explain this shit that makes sens someone else comes up with another idea and then that idea gets shut down too and I just want to know where the fuck Rei comes from and what she is.

>>153049256
OP
>>153051495
"smarter" anon

>>153052599
shut down, and suddenly this becomes just a big mess with >>153052771
and >>153053512

Who made Rei, how, where and with what ?

>>153072090
>and the Lilin being evolutionary different from us is also a big thing
Evolutionarily, the only difference there is that they know what their primordial soup was made of - they still had to evolve, and presumably they followed the same evolutionary path as us because they ended up looking human and biologically functioning the same way. The sole difference comes in at the mental/spiritual level, where humanity has a collective soul that is kept separate via a barrier.
"Collective soul" is poor wording on my part, but I can't really think how else to describe it. You get what I'm getting at, anyway.

>humans don't have AT-fields
>to explain loneliness and anxiety with the fact that our souls are separate rather than joined.
Sure, but they're still separated from each other just as we are - it's just a mental barrier as well as a physical one in NGE.

>nor are they reducable to goo
This is the only thing that gives me pause. I don't really get how this one works, because Lilin are quite clearly not made of LCL - they bleed blood when they get hurt, not LCL, yet Shinji pulls himself out of a vat of it and the whole world collapses into a large tangy pile when deprived of their AT fields. Best I have here is that Tang is fucking space magic™.

Out of curiosity and not as a relation to the argument, say you have a perfect mechanical replica of a human brain in a perfect mechanical replica of a human body. What would you consider it to be?

>>153049256
I refuse to believe there are still genuine diehard Reifags/Asukafags who are not simultaneously newfags who watched Eva much later.
I was a hardcore Asukafag before EoE and then after the game, the manga, countless doujins and finally rebuild I found I like Rei just as much if not more, although I cannot justify it rationally.
I think it's just natural if you have consumed so much of Eva to like both of them a lot, just to varying degrees.

>>153073358
>shut down
Really, so all it takes is to write a bullshit post like >>153052599
with no facts?

Here's canon:

Lilith exists. The original series has no explanation or further background story except for the fact that Lilith exists as Mankind's ancestor.
Rei is in secret, Lilith. Rei's body is a genetically engineered body, and is the side-effect from having attempted to retrieve Yui from EVA01. (They were left with Yui's genetic material)
Now, there were no more souls in the Room of Gaf, there was only one soul: Rei Ayanami, AKA Lilith. The primordial soul, the soul of mankinds creator.

Gendo along with Fuyutsuki creates Rei Ayanami with these pieces. The Akagi's are not in on it, but are later informed.

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>>153073394
>Out of curiosity and not as a relation to the argument, say you have a perfect mechanical replica of a human brain in a perfect mechanical replica of a human body. What would you consider it to be?

Given that the brain is mechanical to begin with, as far as we know, they'd just be the same wouldn't they?

>>153073528
I was more going for the angle of if it'd be considered human even though it's not flesh and blood.

>>153073636
He came on her grave?

>>153073498
The problem is that a lot of explanations "make sense" and it's hard to tell what's a fact and what is just a conjecture or an assumption that's been taken as a fact by someone.

Your explanation for instance makes sense.
It's the first time I hear of Rei's body being a clone of Yui because she's the result of their attempts to extract her from 01. But it makes perfect sense.
I'd be ready to believe it as the true canon.
Yet I still leave myself open for the possibility of it not being correct because you might be wrong, or lying like others have as well and there'd be no way for me to tell otherwise.

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>>153073636
>>153073712

>>153049256
>kyoko zepplin
thats a joke right?
no wonder she offed herself

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>>153073873

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>>153069847
She's the only person in the show who gives a shit about Shinji. Rei's an empty shell of a person and Asuka just wants an outlet for her hormones. Misato knew full well that they needed him, but when it came down to it she let him go because it was what was best for him. Then she died protecting him.

>>153072515
Rei knows exactly who she is. She knows she's a clone, she knows she can be replaced, and she knows Gendo only cares about her because he can use her. Fuck, he might have even raped her since she looks exactly like Yui.

She grew up more alone than Shinji ever did, and that's saying something. Until she meets Shinji, she's basically waiting to die.

>>153074043
>Fuck, he might have even raped her since she looks exactly like Yui.
Nah, that's what he has Ritsuko for.

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>>153049256
Asuka will NEVER be better than Rei, when will Asukafags learn?

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>>153073636
>>153073873
>>153074008
>>153073712
>He came on her grave?
no.

I wish some of the "darker-toned" Eva doujins had translations

>>153074226
Toilet woman.

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>>153074246

>>153073808
I didn't say that Rei was a clone of Yui. She isn't, by the way - she's simply modeled after Yui.

The bit I'm referring to was mentioned in the series, after Rei dies in ep 23. Gendo stares sadly at the Rei tube, and Fuyutsuki speaks and says Rei was the product of both their desperation, their desperation to save Yui.

>>153053456
>/ss/
id fukkin melt

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TOJI
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>>153074226
It would impossible to be better than Rei, because Rei is an empty vessel for all of their fetishes and fantasies. She has little personality of her own, so it's easy for the Reifag to imagine her as their perfect girl.

Honestly, dating her would be like trying to romance a brick wall, and she might as well be a real doll for sex. Plus if she forgets her pills she literally falls apart.

Asuka on the other hand is a vibrant and willful personality, but for a tsundere she's like 99% tsun and 1% dere. She's arrogant, full of herself, and she'll never let you forget it. Nothing you ever do will be good enough for her, and everything would be a competition (that you would lose and be criticized for).

She's a ball of insecurities that she masks with arrogance and contempt for everyone around her. Sure there's a softer side, but it's locked away tighter than Fort Knox. Even opening that vault could trigger a suicide attempt.

And then there's Misato (who i actually like the most), the functional alcoholic who hates herself so much that she drowns herself in beer every night and drove away the only man she ever loved. She's so fucked up that the only way she can convey her affection is with sex, which she awkwardly offers Shinji when Rei died.

tl;dr - They're all emotionally damaged and looking for waifus among them is like trying to find beer in open bottles next to a urinal - you probably won't like what you find.

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Be noted that you are in the presence of Rei Ayanami, of House Lilith. Queen of the Earth and the First Men, Protector of the Great Sea of LCL, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Lilim.”

>>153074812
The real damaged person here is the one who would still piss in a bottle while standing next to a fully-functional urinal.

>>153074937
Some men just want to see the world burn.

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>>153074812
>It would impossible to be better than Rei, because Rei is an empty vessel for all of their fetishes and fantasies. She has little personality of her own, so it's easy for the Reifag to imagine her as their perfect girl.

Uh, you mean Asuka. Otaku dweebs project on Asuka more than on Rei. Proof is right here in what you wrote:

>She's arrogant, full of herself, and she'll never let you forget it. Nothing you ever do will be good enough for her, and everything would be a competition (that you would lose and be criticized for).

which is basically an asuka otaku's fetish-filled pathetic version of Asuka. You reject the canonical Asuka in favor of your own version. The actual Asuka doesn't win anything, but is a wreck of a dead, mindless person with no will at all. Picture related. That's the real Asuka. Not the waifu you made up.

By the way, notice how your entire post is just strawman arguments? You argue like "Rei would be like this, Asuka would be like that, etc", but in truth you just made up their characters to suit your own needs. Talk about hypocrisy. Why don't you look at the actual characters?

Oh wait, if you did that, then you'd instantly realize that Asuka has NO PERSONALITY and Rei has a willful yet subdued one. People like you are the reason this fanbase blows some times.

>>153051495
Notice how much Kyoko looks like a doll? Like mother like daughter.

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>>153075065
Here, looks like you got lost.

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>>153075120
Don't you like what you're reading? Too bad. You just need to grow up and face the facts, Asuka is little more than a metaphor for escapism and your post proves it.

That's why Anno has Asuka lie still like a sex doll while Shinji jerks off to her. It's supposed to make fun of and call YOU out, for imagining how it'd be to date a fictional girl who can't do anything. That's why Asuka lies there, like a figurine ready to be hotglued.

It's sad that you didn't get EVA, it's been 20 years now Anon.

>>153075204
>It's supposed to make fun of and call YOU out
Because I think they're all shit and people who fight these waifu wars should be burned at the stake?

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>>153074812
Except liking Asuka = failing to get Evangelion.

You're not supposed to like Asuka, she's representative of resorting to escapism. This scene says it all: You're fucked up if you like Asuka and jerk off to her. But for some reason, there's more sex doujins of Asuka than anything else.

That's why Asuka just lies there and gets used, while stronger characters like Rei and Misato are walking about and having actual character development, instead of just being plot devices.

>>153075292
No, because you're a filthy Asukafag in full retreat. Asuka's dull, mindless doll-like personality that literally boils down to a "pull me" doll repeating a catchphrase is precisely what makes Asuka the perfect sex toy for otaku and shutins.

The waifu wars exist for one reason and one reason only, Asuka fan's inability to deal with reality.

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>>153075301
>>153075204
>>153075065
I can see why Reifags are so despised.

>>153075371
t. Asukafag

>>153075371
>pointing out obvious stuff like the EoE scene where Anno calls out Asukafags for being perverted otaku with no interest in Asuka except as jerkoff-material
>OMG REIFAGS

Nice try Asukafag. No one should be punished for telling the truth like it is.

>>153075301
Forget best girl If that is all you got from Asuka I think you missed a lot what the series was about.

>>153075065
>The actual Asuka doesn't win anything
Except she initially has (and takes great pride in) having the highest sync ratio, has already graduated from university and I believe at one point is mentioned to be the most popular girl at school.

You should watch the show sometime, it's really good.

>>153075488
It's an important part of the character otaku dweebs look away from. You didn't get Evangelion if you deny that.

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I like to think of it in terms of philosophy
Both Rei and Asuka are designed to warn you of the dangers of escapism in different ways.

Asuka is for Pragmatists/Surrealists. She's hyper exaggerated in both terms of personality and appearance. She's aggressive and yet the "perfect" girl to the extremes, almost in an uncanny valley between reality and over exaggerated. Asuka seeks to prove herself and better herself first and foremost and relies on skill and experience to find her answers

Rei is for Idealists. She is perfect by creation. Too perfect, she's the ideal standard for most otaku and those who delve into fantasy over reality. But Rei seeks truth and eternal enlightenment from within which is for the greater good.

Misato is for Realists. Misato is independent and embraces her flaws and lives with them and the choices shes made. She seeks the truth through objective fact and is willing to do what is necessary to help those she cares about.

Just drunken thoughts from a Misato fag

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>>153075488
It's just an autist who flew off the handle when I insulted their waifu. I'd say it was just bait, but I know they didn't even read the rest of my post.

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>>153075548
I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I'm a Misatofag too

>>153075509
>Except she initially has (and takes great pride in) having the highest sync ratio,

Which isn't winning anything. She's got years of training, and she gets beat by a rookie. Facts are that she sucks, and she'll always be a loser because she genuinely think synch ratio matters. Protip: it doesn't.

>has already graduated from university and I believe at one point is mentioned to be the most popular girl at school.

At which point the show remarks through other characters: only because of sex appeal. If they actually knew her, they'd hate her. Wow, just like in real life!

>>has already graduated from university
What university? If you can't answer that, it's as good as nothing.

You should watch Evangelion some time, it's pretty damned good.

>>153075509
But Asuka doesn't get satisfaction from any of it. She is doing it to impress and show that she is better compared to others. While Shinji is doing everything so that he will be needed by others.

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>>153075548
>>153075617
You're both idiots.

Asuka never seeks to improve herself or better herself. Asuka demands attention by doing nothing, she believes she is the best by birthright. She relies not on skill or experience, because she has none. Shinji has more experience, and Asuka has no skills as a pilot. This is why she consistently fails.

Asuka is for the otaku escapist, because like you said - she's presented as good, but the reality of EVA shows the viewer that Asuka is a poor person. The otaku who get caught in their own fantasies would then choose to pretend Asuka is a "big shot waifu" with "university graduations" rather than focus on what happened in the actual series: she failed and died.

Rei on the other hand is easily for normies and realists. This is perfectly reflected in Rei's character in how it accepts reality and confronts it, rather than shove it away. Against Armisael, her own creation, Rei always confronts instead of running away. This leads Rei to victory despite great pain.

Misato is for children, according to Anno. Seems to fit.

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>>153075548
>>153075617
Sort of sad that there are Misato fans who don't get Evangelion.

>>153075538
Asuka I think represents the Super-ego, the scene in the hospital with Shinji is about Shinji and his relationships(and to a lesser extent Anno) not Asuka.

>>153075627
>she'll always be a loser because she genuinely think synch ratio matters. Protip: it doesn't.
>lol, beated by a rookie
Toiletfags in suicide watch.

>>153075797
Asuka was the id; I always thought Rei would be the Super-Ego.

>>153075753
>>153075779
I don't know why you insist on pretending to be two different people.

On a related note: the Real Doll people would make a killing if they had a Rei. I wonder what's stopping them?

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>Thinking Rei is for idealists/escapists/otaku/whatever

Okay, faggots. Reality check time.

When Evangelion aired, Rei was the most popular, no? Not just among otaku, but also in the entirety of JAPAN. This is shown in polls, be it street polls or whatever else. It's also admitted by people the industry, including Anno who says the attraction to Rei is on a national level.

Take the time where he was in the US, and he heard the opinions of a conference room, filled with otaku. He was then surprised that Misato was the most popular, and conclude that Japan doesn't like "strong" characters, but the west apparently does.

See the problem here?

He's taking ONE room filled to the BRIM with otaku, and comparing it to a nation composed of people from all walks of life. Yeah, that doesn't add up.

>>153075883
Sort of sad that you resort to evading with ad hominem rather than give a proper response: >>153075753

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>>153075797
Shinji represents the otaku, specifically the Asuka otaku.

Asuka represents the helpless sex object that has no say in how it's used.

So just like Shinji takes advantage of the fact that Asuka can't do anything, but can just exist in front of him, he represents the pathetic Asuka otaku who leers over figures of Asuka and jerk off to it.

>>153075839
I thought super-ego was about trying to achieve perfection, Id was the most basic human needs, and ego was using the rules of society to decide how to behave.

>>153075627
>she gets beat by a rookie.
Which she is immensely upset about, yes.

>because she genuinely think synch ratio matters
Only it does, it's the direct link between the Eva and the pilot. How did you come to the conclusion it doesn't?

>only because of sex appeal
Another fact she takes pride in, if I recall.

>If you can't answer that, it's as good as nothing.
I don't believe it's ever mentioned. Why would it be relevant?

>>153075668
>She is doing it to impress and show that she is better compared to others.
Correct, that's a large portion of her personality - showing that she's better than everyone, because that's how she masks her deep insecurities.

>>153075898
Wasn't Rei a deconstruction of the doormat maiden character that the Japanese were enamored with?

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Asuka is a steaming pile of shit, and I could go o for days about exactly why. She's a grossly exaggerated version of the stereotypical kind of first female role in any anime. She's the epitome of what I hate about female characters.

Episode 8, Asuka Strikes. Just the picture of her sillouete pisses me off. From the first second she appears, you can see what kind of girl and what kind role she'll play in the entire series and she never diverges from it. She's the antithesis of character development and exactly why girl characters are usually so goddamn awful.

Starting with the sillouete with her stance, hand on hip, exaggerated dramatic slopes in the way she stands, you can already tell she's conceited and arrogant with a tough exterior to hide some kind of thrown in fucked up back story. It's the same character trope repeated over and over, practically raped to death and it never gets any better. The first thing she does is bitch and slap other people for seeing her panties after the wind blows through. All that illustrates is "Ah! I'm a girl, and don't try anything funny because I'm way better than you and you're just an idiot! Konno BAKA!!" and her bitchiness only gets worse from there.

She constantly puts people in danger from the first episode she shows up just to justify her own pride. Again, just in the first episode she appears in, she takes Shinji with her to her Eva to face an angel. She doesn't think that having him in the pilot pod could throw off the sync rate, about how water will affect combatting style, gives no mind for safety of other, and doesn't even stop to consider whether or not she could even have permissions to engage.

She's wreckless, spoiled, whiny, dependent, stubborn, usless, weak, and one-dimmensional. Her character is everything wrong with female characters and why "strong female characters" almost don't exist. She's a disgrace.

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>>153075991

That's very well contrasted with Rei's scene. We have Gendo sort of groping Rei, as if he is the otaku trying to advantage of a girl he's more or less created for himself. So when this girl betrays him, and ruins his life, it poises Rei as a strong, independent character.

>>153076060
In which case, neither Rei or Asuka would be the super-ego, and neither would be a good fit for the "ego" either.

>>153053364
Weak men gravitate towards women like asuka and misato because they can be "handled" by them, zero effort involved. Weak men are afraid of and disgusted by submissive women because they're not sure how to "handle" anything. IRL betas prance around angry activist and artist types for a reason. They don't want to have to influence a life, they'd rather the life take care of itself, and maybe influence them.

Don't be surprised when they say "strong" women are for "strong" men and start ranting about fantasies about conquering the unconquerable. They're just jerking off.

Eva even mocked this. The "strong" asuka became a submissive little girl in the presence of real strong men. It's not that strong men pursue strong women, it's that "strong" women because submissive in the presence of a strong man, who does not necessarily give a fuck, while weak men pursue "strong" women because they're just fucked up.

>>153076102
You are absolutely desperate to justify your love of Rei, aren't you?

>>153076103
>my waifu is superior because she's a doormat
>your waifu is inferior because she makes me skeered
>here, let me bullshit and read things that no one else ever saw in the source material

>>153076081
>Which she is immensely upset about, yes.

Which she also refuses to do anything about. If this were Rei, she'd adapt and move on, improving herself if necessary. It also means Asuka doesn't "win", and as Rei correctly implies, it means fucking nothing.

Hell, anyone who thinks sync ratio is all that matters is too dumb to discuss with.

>Only it does, it's the direct link between the Eva and the pilot.
only no, it doesn't matter because decisionmaking, skill and tactics matter far more. You can do well with a low synch ratio, as with a low one. Despite the fact that their sync ratios vary over the show, the only thing that matters is that the are above a certain point. Having a higher/lower sync never mattered even ONCE in the entire anime.

Doesn't matter if you have good sync if you jump into a volcano and die like a bitch. Better hope you have someone to save you.

>I don't believe it's ever mentioned. Why would it be relevant?
Because you can't say she's smart unless you know what the degree is in. If we want to be realistic and pragmatic, she likely got a handout title for being an EVA-pilot, or majored in womans studies.

More importantly, you are actually choosing to obsess over a university degree which you know nothing about, this simply being an injection point for otaku fantasy and delusion.

Asuka is created to be a moe character, and yes, the sex appeal is part of that too. The show is hitting you in the face constantly that Asuka is an irredeemable cunt, and otaku simply don't care and jerk off to her.

>>153076224
That's butthurt Asukafag talk. Don't you like Evangelion?

>>153076270
>Asuka is with kaji again? Better look away, can't be cheated on by my waifu
>I hope everyone online admires how alpha i am for crushing on a cartoon character

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>>153075753
Maybe I misspoke in my drunken rant.
Asuka seeks to be the best and only relies on her previous experience of her being the "best" until she joins NERV. And the only way she tries to better herself is by trying to outdo Shinji out of jealousy to no avail. I have to give her points though for having a strong will enough to come back in the EoE however.

I agree with your points about Rei though.I alluded to how Rei's ultimate goal became to end all of the corruption from SEELE. This includes confronting Gendo as well as sacrificing herself to bring about the end, almost in an ideal way of sorts.
But my main point is they both attract people with different tastes almost into the perfect escapist trap designed by Anno.

>>153076348
>I hope everyone online admires how alpha i am for crushing on a cartoon character
Where do you think we are right now?

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>>153076103
The original is basically completely different in substance, tone and material than what most Asukafans think it is. It's because they are unable to process anything beyond Evangelion's surface level, they don't understand that Asuka was simply NERV's doll whose entire personality was something they had crafted to make her pilot well. It's not a shocker that they did worse with Rei, and really went in to make Rei a malleable puppet, but the difference is that Rei resisted and was detached from the things NERV wanted her to care about.

>>153076422
Literally none of that is supported in the material at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

>>153074226
Clear proof that Rei has bigger tits.

>>153076391
One thing:
>I have to give her points though for having a strong will enough to come back in the EoE however.

really? Strong will? She didn't have the strength to take a single step in the entire movie. Yeah, that's right, in the ENTIRE movie, Asuka doesn't move a single step. Not one. She didn't have the strength to get out of bed, get in the EVA, or even defeat the MP-EVA's.

It was all on the backs of others. Misato took care of Asuka and made sure to place her in the EVA. not Asuka. Then Asuka's mother was the one to kick Asuka into action by providing her with the equivalent of a shonen-powerup. Good thing Evangelion isn't so full of shit, so it kills her straight afterwards. Then Asuka is a non-character for the rest of the story.

>>153076103
Misato is the perfect balance of relax and useful

She also displays the most emotion for Shinji

>>153076483
Thanks for adding that video to your comment, it really fits what you wrote.

Also congratulations on showing that Asukafags don't respect canon at all and are just fanwanking retards.

>>153076103
Rei isn't submissive; she's not anything at all. You confuse passivity with submission. I don't think any of the girls really fit in the D/s categorization at all.

>>153076538
>then the dead character is a non character for the rest of the story

Really makes you think

>>153076538
This is like the fevered dream of a mad man.

Do go on.

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>she will never cook for you

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I like every character, but Kaworu is the only one I would jack off to.

>>153075204
Asuka is the opposite of escapism you little faggot

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>>153076483
>Rei
- Created from Yui + Angel DNA, imbued with Lilith's soul.
- Treated like a puppet, experimented on and brainwashed
- Murdered and recreated just to prove a point, thoroughly traumatized, spends the rest of the series wondering what the hell she is
- Manipulated by Gendo through having her adopt her and raise her, even though he intended to abandon her and use her to revive his dead wife
- Manages to understand her situation, distrusts the management including Gendo despite the fact that she admires him
- Makes a point that she's not piloting the EVA because of being ordered by Gendo, but because she has a bond and duty to all people
- Contemplates life, death and the meaning of her own existence and bonds with others
- Confronts the accusations of Armisael who looked into her heart
- Turns against her creator at just the right time, bringing justice to a man that was thought unpunishable

>Asuka
- Born to normal parents, mother was recruited into the EVA program
- Was told that she was special for being selected, despite that she's one of many and the only real requirement is the consent of the mother
- Mother dies as part of the process, Asuka is traumatized after seeing her mothers death
- Trained as an EVA pilot for the rest of her life, the people around her regard her as a doll
- Raised with a foster family who is also on NERV's payroll
- Her entire personality is centered around EVA-piloting
- Asuka never questions this, never confronts the reality of the EVA's not being simply robots, always repeats NERV's propaganda
- Asuka never finds something that's truly hers, she never develops her own personality
- Collapses when NERV decides to take her whole personality (EVA-piloting) away from her
- Becomes a warning of the dangers of escapism, of relying on fantasies rather than reality as she breaks down

Not only is this supported by canon, it is EXACTLY what happened in the story. Asukafags just pretends she's the self insert Shinji's waifu.

>>153076865
Tell me, do you get this mad at your mom when she doesn't get you your chicken tendies? Do you scream at her over it?

>>153075450
Calling Asukafag escapist jerk off fantasies disgusting =/= calling Asuka a worthless, escapist character, it's the opposite, she's a strong willed character who bears the brunt of Otaku fantasy, which is why Anno uses her to prove the point the her Waifuers are sick fuckswhile she is a good, realistic character

>>153076843
Asuka IS escapism itself as a character. She keeps pretending she's "the best", refusing to look at the facts. She clings on to the nice scenario of humans vs aliens, even Shinji questions this, suggesting that the Angels might not be the evil they think it is. Rei has thought things over and has come to more disturbing conclusions, and when Rei shares her conclusions and knowledge with Asuka, Asuka actually finds it appropriate to slap her because she can't deal with it.

That's why Asuka gets fucked when her delusions and fantasies are taken from her.
That's why Rei still stands strong despite losing her role as an EVA pilot, after people fail to look after her.

Asuka = Escapism

>>153076538
I was thinking more along the lines of why she survived along with Shinji in the last scene of EoE

I believe she had the will to survive and brought was brought back because of her awakening of her mom in the Eva series fight she died in. Up until her death she was fighting to kill them even when all hope is lost. She clearly had a strong spirit and was brought back after Rei ended everything.

>>153076865
>- Raised with a foster family who is also on NERV's payroll
She's raised by her father and step-mother, who he was already sleeping with before his mother killed herself. They got married before the body was cold.

>>153076917
First you call Asuka strong-willed and realistic,

and next you call her weak and escapist?
>>153076944


Make up your fucking mind.

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>>153076917
>she's a strong willed character
No, that's one otaku fantasy. The Asuka in the anime had no will of her own. That's why NERV could just take it away.

It's not just waifuers, it's Asuka fans specifically. That's why Shinji is frustrated and wants "Asuka to scream at him and be active", while in reality Asuka just lies there like a fuckpuppet. That's the real Asuka, in front of him. Asuka's very character is about accepting that the "fun, outgoing" version of her is FAKE.

Literally in episode 25's case analysis of Asuka.

Asuka is weak, deal with it. No one claimed that Evangelion should be your safe space or have a nice ending. It's brutal, and Asuka is really that shit.

>>153077017
They're all weak you stupid Reifag. That was the whole point of the show.

>>153076944
That's not escapism that you just described dum dum, you've confused Rei's ponderings as deep and philosophical. Of course, she is driven by the need for external acknowledgement, and her breakdown in character is essential to the story and meaning of the show. I agree Rei as a character is very pure, too pure for the world, and for this reason she never serves as a meaningful mirror for what Anno says about human interaction. Her psyche is very simplistic compared to Shinji, Asuka and Misato, why are you even trying to make a big deal out of her character, making claims about her that are blown out of proportion? Is it for your own amusement?

>>153053753
>>153049578
>implying there are anime new fags who will have watched evangelion.

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>>153076987
That's obviously not the same person.

>>153076972
>I was thinking more along the lines of why she survived along with Shinji in the last scene of EoE
>I believe she had the will to survive and brought

Aha. Here's another demonstration. The series just demonstrated to you, the viewer, that Asuka is a worthless, weak doll over the course of 26 episodes and a movie. It showed you that Misato, Kaji, Rei and to some degree, Shinji were upstanding people mentally who could work for themselves and others, breaking free of their puppet stages of dependence and blindness. Except for Asuka, who literally ends both NGE and EoE as a bedridden wreck.

All of Evangelion shows you this. Yet, for some reason, you as the delusional otaku chose to focus not on what happen, but what DIDNT happen. You choose to believe in your own post-EoE fanfiction, looking aside from actual characters like Rei, Shinji etc... having actual, concrete development.

Her fighting in the EVA just proves one thing: without the EVA, Asuka is nobody. She was only active when she was in that thing, because they are her "strings", and NERV is her puppet master. They put her in the EVA and made her die in it.

>>153077017
>Asuka is weak
and yet she got up and fought in EOE because she wanted to live.

>>153077128
Show us on the doll where the tsundere touched you.

>>153076987
As a human she's realistic, very flawed psychologically, which is shown throughout the show by the end. I never said Asuka participated in escapism to a meaningful degree. I was talking about fans who waifu Asuka being the source of Anno's mockery as shown through that scene, which isn't indicting her, it's indicting the fan reaction to her. Are you sure you're replying to the right person? I'm not the autistic Rei defener

>>153077102
How is it blown out of proportion, how is it not escapism? It is what it is: escapism. The act of immersing yourself in a fantasy to avoid confronting the real world. By pretending and holding on to her fantasy about being "The best EVA pilot who fights baddies and is recognized for her heroism", rather than confronting the harsher truth that she's just a lonely, weak girl who isn't chosen for her own abilities but rather convenience, she is engaging in escapism.

Rei on the other hand, has no such delusions. She has a feeling of duty, and whenever something she dislikes appears, she confronts it, considers it and may even later come to accept it. She didn't like the idea that Gendo was a bad father, but over the course of the next episodes we see that Rei has many misgivings about Gendo, and she thinks she values others more.

Consider the "angel mind-intrusion" scenes for both characters.

The angels do the exact same thing: They enter Asuka and Rei's minds, probe them for information, and replay it back to them. It looks into their hearts, sees them, and then tells them about it.

Asuka was horrified and cried that she didn't want anything to do with it, breaking down and wanting to die. Then Rei needs to save her.
Rei on the other hand was shown how lonely she was, and rather than break down and refuse it like Asuka, Rei accept it and learns, even confronting the Angel about it. Then she kills it.

It's right there in the show.

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>>153077150
No, she only got up because she had another chance to pilot and because her mother literally gave her a hand. She couldn't do anything by herself.

>>153077190

>>153077017
That moment in your screen shot is a rare example in series of Asuka display her depression, are you joking or something? Of course she is weak, all the characters are to some degree, the end of Evangelion never asserts that Asuka is shit, it states that she's very flawed and damaged, but beneath is someone that's reaching out for love and human contact. That's not a "bad" personality, it's pitiable and people can empathise with that, which is the whole point. Why are you pulling a bunch of points from nowhere too? I never said half those points.

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>>153077040
Nope, they're not. Rei is strong, Shinji is also strong, Misato is strong, Kaji is strong, but Asuka is weak. They all have weaknesses and personality flaws, but only Asuka is truly weak and pathetic.

>>153077251
>she's just a lonely, weak girl who isn't chosen for her own abilities but rather convenience
She's literally a genius with outstanding fighting skills.

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>>153077294
Alright, go home. You're drunk.

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>>153077275
>That moment in your screen shot is a rare example in series of Asuka display her depression, are you joking or something?
She was like this the whole time. She was always butthurt and angry, depressed about her mother and not being the best. Poetic, isn't it? Asuka isn't the best pilot in NGE, nor the best girl of NGE.

That moment there is Asuka's true self. When NERV says she can't pilot and Asuka is left to herself, then the true Asuka shows. It's not even a rare moment, the bitch literally ruins a locker just because Shinji beat her once, and even early on she runs out crying because Rei is better at her than 90's twister.

NGE asserts that Asuka is weak. It asserts that she was a puppet all along.
EoE finalizes that statement by showing that the only way Asuka would not be a puppet, would be if she was manipulated with strings, AKA the EVA and the return of her mommy.

It's pitiable, and it's a bad personality. Asuka is supposed to be weird, weak and a parody of the cliched tsunderes, showing that such a character would be useless in real life.

>>153077309
She performs worse than Shinji and Rei in pretty much every battle.

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>>153052327
Granted it's been a while since I've seen Eva, but wasn't it made clear that only the angels could regenerate because of Adam?

And Unit 01, who was Lilith-based, could not regenerate at all until it took an S2 core inside it.
I remember a distinct change about 1.0 was Unit 01 could regenerate right off the bat in her first fight against Sachiel which never happened in NGE.
I can't remember if Unit 00 or Unit 02 ever showed times of regerneration, but the MP Evas did as they were clearly Adam based.

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>>153077309
>She's literally a genius with outstanding fighting skills.

Then why does she suck at fighting so much? Look at how Rei or Shinji fights, they're effective, they go for the kill, and get the job DONE. Rei constantly makes good decisions in combat, and Asuka fucks up nearly all the time unless she has someone to save her. Asuka even cost her teammates and innocent civilians their LIVES. She's not a genius, she's a retard who is flunking at school. That's the facts, anything else is just "excuses" to uphold the retarded otaku version of Asuka that doesn't exist anywhere in the real show.

People who like Asuka took the bait hook, line and sinker. She's the ultimate moe idol character, and then the series shows you how much of a retarded fantasy liking Asuka is. Yet somehow Asuka otaku take the masturbation scene as "proof" Shinji loves Asuka rather than the fucked up statement it is on Asuka fan mentality.

When Asuka says "Kimochi Waruii"? She's talking to you pal.

>>153077268
Asuka is saying she doesn't want to die and her mom is saying die with her and she won't let her die. Since Asuka is alive at the end of the series she choose to be alive.

>>153049412
the incest only makes it better

>>153077456
>And Unit 01, who was Lilith-based, could not regenerate at all until it took an S2 core inside it.
Literally regenerates in episode 1.

>>153049256
saber and rin from fate are just rehashes of these two, right?

>>153077518
Well fuck, never mind then.

For some reason I thought during the Sachiel NGE it couldn't but they added that it could in Rebuild.

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>>153077489
The beauty of it is that no matter how much you try to justify it, it's still fanwank because it was never shown on screen. Anything could have happened. That's the whole point: EoE leaves Asuka fans with only fantasies and delusions, because the character was never supposed to be anything else but a representation of escapism.

>>153077251
Striving to be the best to prove yourself to others, while needless and an example of insecurity, is not a form of escapism. Escapism is Asuka playing video games for hours on end of the series away from Shinji and Misato because her pride is shattered. Your observations are also very shallow, so what if Rei kills the Angel? Evangelion is about the unwinding of the main characters flawed psyches to represent wider humanity's flaws on a narrower scale, looked at through Asuka, Shinji, and Misato mainly. This doesn't occur for Rei because she lacks a normal human psyche, she doesn't really possess insecurities because she is relatively a freak of nature and unrealistic in the extreme.

>>153077576
It's like a car crash in slow motion: I should look away, but I can't help but watch this guy post.

>>153077382
weak=/=puppet
>EoE finalizes that statement by showing that the only way Asuka would not be a puppet, would be if she was manipulated with strings, AKA the EVA and the return of her mommy
That thing doesn't even imply that other thing.
Although I have to admit your bait game is genius, I've been had. Still, it's not like I had much else to do. See ya.

>>153077576
Her mom says die with her, you see images of the doll and Asuka seeing her mom hanging herself, Her mom whispers I won't let you die and Asuka screams she doesn't want to die. She is alive at the end of EOE. This isn't trying to justify anything this is what happens on screen.

>>153077600
>Striving to be the best to prove yourself to others, while needless and an example of insecurity, is not a form of escapism.

Yes, it is. She is using that excuse in order to avoid facing reality. That makes it escapism.

>Escapism is Asuka playing video games for hours on end of the series away from Shinji and Misato because her pride is shattered.

That too, is escapism, and entirely consistent with the above. When Asuka can no longer rely on escaping into her "i'm the best eva pilot!01one!" fantasy, she goes for video games.

>Your observations are also very shallow, so what if Rei kills the Angel?
It means that Rei is focused, smart and able to get the job done. Rei doesn't do escapism, Rei represents self improvement and hope. It tells you something about where the characters stand in relation to each other. Because Rei is focused on the real world, her own problems and others, Rei is able to avoid getting caught up in self-destructive tendencies, and gets out of her existing ones. That's why it's good to have Rei talk and experience things.

>This doesn't occur for Rei because she lacks a normal human psyche, she doesn't really possess insecurities because she is relatively a freak of nature and unrealistic in the extreme.

HAHAHAHA no. Episode 25 and earlier clearly shows that Rei is deeply insecure about various things, and hesitates to do her job just like Shinji in certain circumstances - like with Toji. Rei has a normal human psyche and is in fact more representative of normal human psyche, as everyone has existential thoughts and issues in their lives. However, not everyone is a stuck up bitch with mommy issues.

This is why Rei has plenty of introspection scenes, where Asuka is more or less a "foil" or "plot device" whose actions do not really matter.

>>153077745
I appreciate your concerns but I would hardly call Asuka a plot device when her perspective is valued second to Shinji's in the instrumentality scenes ep 25/26

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>>153077733
What didn't happen on screen: Anything related to Asuka's choice.
What did happen on screen: Asuka again being a puppet NERV pilot and dying pointlessly against a foe, which Tsurumaki refers to as a "rape".

Notice how Asuka's will to live ONLY returns when she's put in an EVA? That's the point. Asuka was NOTHING without an EVA. Not a single thing did she do with out. It's only when put in an EVA, not of her own will, but by NERV, that she comes alive.

This is why Shinji and Rei are better pilot characters. They don't need the EVA to live. They are free individuals. They can't have their personalities taken away from them like Asuka.

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I don't think you can claim to be an Evangelion fan if you hate so many of the characters and keep calling them shit.

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>>153077838
It isn't valued second to Shinij's at all. She's at best alongside with Misato. Rei is actually the only one with an actual real life perspective in those episodes, given the fact that her sequence happens BEFORE instrumentality. Then Rei continues into ep 25/26 as the "transcendent" Rei, who started instrumentality and guides others - including Asuka.

Then Asuka's "sequence" is literally about accepting that "the confident Asuka" isn't real, but her weak lonely self is. Literally what I'm saying, Asuka is weak and useless and NGE's point is to show you precisely how retarded a tsundere is.

>>153077842
He doesn't hate the characters, he just has a pathological hatred for Asuka.

Whether it's because he's a delusional Reifag, or his mother bullied him as a child, or both who can say?

>>153077842
An Evangelion fan is able to accept the characters for what they are. A true Evangelion an is able to accept that Evangelion is not perfect. That means acknowledging that certain parts of it are not so good.

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>>153077911
>waah waah people hate Asuka

No, you hate Asuka. You hate Asuka so much you can't even look the character in it's face, you NEED doujin Asuka. The real Asuka is what you hate.

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>>153077911
Tell me one thing that's not true about what's being said about Asuka, though. If it's true, it can't really be hatred.