Scanlation Thread

Do you keep the redraw in a vault for safekeeping or do you discard its purity for the final product (with text on top)?

>>152918845
>Do you keep the redraw in a vault for safekeeping
just in case something fucks up.

>senpai
>they use sempai instead
triggered

>>152919129
It's traditional.

>>152919129
it's a reflex

For those who has done edits for a long time. You ever just wanna go back and redo those shitty edits you did 6 years ago?

>>152919151
>>152919206
>>152919129
The funny thing is when Hiro first instituted the filters it filtered to sempai not senpai and people whinged about it until it was corrected to senpai.

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>>152918781
>there will never be a hotel dusk anime

>>152918781
someone likes that game for anything else than reaction images?

>>152920977
I do.

>>152920977
the guy is hot

I've never once redrawn, I just use the clone tool.
No one ever tells the difference.

>>152919129
also, Asahi Shimbun

>>152919280
I sometimes feel like going back in time and tell my past self to not waste his time with this.

>>152922397
Your past you would just rope you into collaborating with him on a major release.

>>152918845
I keep the original, the clean pages and the txt file that has the TL all in one ZIP file. The finished product is in its own zip file separated form the rest.

>>152921865
>No one ever tells the difference.
Then you've done a good job.

>>152921865
depends of the case, there some shit you can't clone, but for screen tones is a must

>>152921865
Same here. I sometimes do a shit job, cover everything with clone tool and stroke layers. My translator never notices and no one says shit to me.

>>152918845
keep just in case someone requests to do them in another language in the future or something

>>152922765
you sound like a nice person.

>>152921865
>I just use the clone tool.
That means you've redrawn.

>>152924292
I always assumed redrawing meant tablet-tier re-tracing the art.

>>152924350
No, it's anything that involves getting rid of nip text outside a bubble. It can be as simple as letting the clone tool or CAF do the job or as difficult as actually having to draw.

>>152924372
There are times though where you need to actually draw in the lines where clone tool can't cut it though.

>>152924419
Right, that's also part of redrawing. In we want to get technical, redrawing is actually just a part of cleaning but the big groups started splitting the jobs further. When scanlation first started, redrawing, cleaning, and typesetting was all handle by a single person called an editor. But as time went on, editing was split into typesetting and cleaning (which included redrawing), and then once again split, this time into three: typesetting, cleaning, and redrawing.

>>152924462
The only thing i don't like about splitting everything is that it slows down the process a lot, if you do everything at once it's way faster.

>>152924462
I do everything plus translation and it sucks, maybe I should join a big group

>>152924649
But being in a group sucks (except if you want to translate weekly stuff) you have to rely on other people that have their own schedules.

>>152924607
Funnily enough the whole point of splitting it was to make it faster or at least more efficient, because you wouldn't have to load all the work on a single person for a chapter and could instead siphon it between multiple people, which would lower the stress as well. Unfortunately what happened is it created a lot of typesetters who could do nothing but typeset and couldn't get their heads around cleaning, while cleaners would always pick up typesetting since it's a much easier job than cleaning.

>>152924688
>while cleaners would always
could always*

>>152924607
yes and no, one person can only work on one page at a time while in an optimal split 3 can have 3 on the go at once, it's just optimal setups are hard to accomplish

>>152924688
That why i mentioned the weekly stuff above. (Normally everybody will ready for the release day).
Now that you brought up the typesetting topic, i have noticed that a lot of people don't care about the stuff they're working on is more a thing of "hey, i'm helping, this is cool".

>>152924843
>"hey, i'm helping, this is cool".
I noticed that's actually how a lot of low skill typesetters picked up scanlation. Same with a lot of proofreaders.

>>152924790
>it's just that optimal setups are hard to accomplish.
Yeah it's a matter of teamwork and coordination.

>>152924883
I would assume it's the same for everybody, but jobs that require actual advanced skills are probably fulfilling enough that people develop more work ethic and pride.

>>152924920
I also started that way but i did really shitty stuff and had no fun, time later i was exposed to sadpanda, i got interested again and tried to do something that looks "professional".

Porn made me change my perspective.

>>152921865
I use Content Aware Fill as much as possible.

>>152925242
doesn't it fuck up the screentones?

>>152925582
Depends. Sometimes. But I also typeset right after so it only has to look good enough with the new text over it. I'm very lazy.

So I want to get into cleaning and some light redrawing. Are there any good tutorials out there? Or are there any basic things I need to know?

For now I have only cleaned some very minor things, like bubble text and other such small stuff. But the pages themselves have always been digital, so I have not needed to clean the paper texture or straighten anything or stuff like that. I also do the typesetting myself, so even if I haven't done a good job at cleaning, I can hide it right away.

>translating for a jap artist
>tfw too tired to translate

>>152927303
Do you get paid?

>>152925582
It helps to use digital raws so there aren't any screentones to fuck up. Makes redrawing so much easier.

>>152927655
not yet. i'm doing it for free right now (hah!) but after i translate all of his pixiv stuff i'm going to see if we can try to sell digital versions of his doujins and try to get english artists to give us shoutouts so he can build an english speaking audience.

perhaps i can get a cut of english doujin digital sales

>>152922765

>Russian group wants to use my release for their TL
>sure why not
>Give them PSDs cleaned and everything
>Check their release later
>It's downscaled to 1200px and has an ugly topaz all over it

The fuck is going on.

>>152918781
I know, I'm working on it.

>>152924462
>>152924688
>>152924920
This is all standard division of labor, the bedrock of industrial society.

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In need of a little advice. Because of the combination of how this manga was printed and how it was drawn I'm having a hard time making the blacks black and the whites white without it seeming a little bit burnt, at least in my mind. I use the magic wand method.

How does this look to you guys?

>>152929594
It looks good.

>>152927186
Fuck, i had a really good tutorial and the page got down for some reason.

For now on redrawing you should experiment with these tools:
Polygonal lasso tool (you can go back to your last "line" with the delete key)
You will use this to select specific parts of the image, screentones, color stuff, etc.

Healing brush tool
for copying screentones, it's not perfect but it's good enough
to use it
press ALT on the screentone that you want to replicate and drag the cursor over the place where you want to "paint"
(it will be more understandable if you use it yourself)
(also be sure to have it on "replace mode")

The brush, pencil and eraser.
these are pretty obvious

Blur tool and sharpen tool when you want some lines too look smoother or more intense.

Dodge tool
Makes things brighter

Burn tool
makes stuff darker

Pen tool
With this thing you will make most of the redraw lines, it's thickness and form it's defined by your BRUSH TOOL.

Line tool
To make straight lines, this one is not defined by your brush tool, so adjust it on the settings bar.

Always have a layer copy of the original page it's handier if you need to compare stuff.

Separate your stuff on groups (like layer directiories)

I hope it's not too convoluted, good luck.
can't help you with cleaning though.

>>152929594
Looks good to me.

>>152929594
Pretty good

>>152929830
Thank you. I'm saving this post for later practice.

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>>152929989
If you have questions, i'll be checking this thread.
remember to make different layers for each thing so you can handle everything easily.

>>152929594
Are there supposed to be black dots in the last panel?

>>152929646
>>152929887
>>152929916
Ok, so I'm definitely just paranoid. Thanks, guys.

>>152931495
Yeah. It's the lightning illuminating all the shit around the room.

>>152934349
Don't be too hard on yourself, anon.

Is there a chink anon here?
I would like to have an updated chink script.

If an e-book is available is it still vastly preferable to buy a hard copy and scan it?
It seems like quite a bit of work when the ebook is apparently at an exceptable resolution for Japanese consumers.

>>152935174
Consider that a lot of the detail you might get in the scan itself is actually lost to the levelling process. Every time you print and scan something, you lose information due to quantization.

>>152935104
The shonen jump plus one?

>>152935877
Yup, the SJ+ has changed their site so it couldn't work for SJ+ anymore.

>>152936201
Well, you'll have to use something like DownloadThemAll! to download the images. Then you'll need something like http://pastebin.com/sNjb6yi6 in order to fix them.

>>152936367
Thank you anon but it's a kind of manual tool. I need an automatic one such as the chink script.

>>152936758
what do they use to program the scripts?

>>152937143
nwjs

>>152937267
didn't even know it exists, atleast i learned something new.
How hard would it be to program it yourself?

>raijuu
>"normie"
cancer

>>152935174

An ebook is scanned using a shitty scanner which then has a filter ran over it.

>>152937993
Who are you talking to and what are you referring to?

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>>152937993
fuck you

>>152927186
I'll just paste some stuff that an anon recommended to me in other threads:

This one is very good:

https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/advanced-redrawing-methodes.2993177/

This one is more about cleaning, but there's useful stuff for redrawing too:

http://www.ruinevil.com/rawr/editguide/1.html

If you're interested in typesetting and cleaning, check these guides too:


http://prettyanonymo.us/index.php/scanlation-resources/anonblacks-typesetting-guide/
http://prettyanonymo.us/index.php/scanlation-resources/

http://coe.utah.edu/~christom/

http://forums.sensescans.com/index.php?topic=2814.0

>>152920649
There wil not even be another game, since CING is dead since 2010.
I really miss them.

>>152938515
Thank you very much, anon.

>>152919129
>Jimbe

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>>152941178
>mr. and mrs.

>mfw my work hasn't been uploaded because my group wants to upload 4 chapters together and one dickhead hasn't finished the proofreading yet.

>>152942700
>proofreading
That has to be the stupidest "job" ever.

>>152942738

You never appreciate it until you read a release by a TL who can't write worth a damn, or doesn't know the basics of grammar.

>>152942738
disagree, they aren't always necessary but when they are they can take something from hard to read gibberish to actual english

>>152942738
It's actually really helpful when your mother tongue is not English.

>>152942949
>>152942969
>>152942992
Why not have the cleaner or some of the native english speaking guys working on a chapter proofread it?

>>152943142

That's usually what happens. If everyone on the team can barely write English, they find someone who can.

>>152943142

Also they might not want to pull double duty by going over each script with an autist's fine comb.

>>152943142
being a native english speaker doesn't mean you're good at writing, think back to school and how many people in your english classes received poor marks

>>152943142
The real question is why you're assuming the cleaner speaks a word of English.

>>152935174
>It seems like quite a bit of work when the ebook is apparently at an exceptable resolution for Japanese consumers.
Bear in mind Japanese customers are usually reading on their phones, so their idea of acceptable resolution is probably lower than yours. It's still usually fine, you only need to bother with scans if you really want high resolution stuff or if that particular ebook is particularly fucked.

>>152942949
>>152942969
>>152942992
People like that shouldn't be translating in the first place.

>>152947284
Sometimes translators need proofreaders not because they can't speak English well, but sometimes a literal translation just sounds awkward. So a proofreader will suggest better ways to make the text more natural.

>>152947284
if all it takes is an extra person double checking the english to get an unscanlated work scanlated it would be stupid to say "stop translator you shouldn't be doing it"

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I thought it was about time I scanlated the last two chapters of imo-kamisama. I say last two because I doubt Hiroyama will ever touch this series again. It's already been three years.

>>152949561
>I doubt Hiroyama will ever touch this series again
More like the publisher relaunched the magazine it was in with a new name and proceeded to release exactly zero issues after the first.

>>152949737
Yeah. There hasn't been any news ever since. And now that Hiroyama seems to be barely managing Prisma Illya, I doubt that he'd continue it even if he had the chance.

>>152918781
anyone care about doing some Jumpu's battle shit oneshots?

https://myanimelist.net/manga/103849/Legacy

https://myanimelist.net/manga/103769

https://myanimelist.net/manga.php?id=103850

you can find the raw online

>>152951075
I'm too lazy to look up the raws for them.

>>152951984
Legacy
http://bzland.net/?topic=70448.0
PamaPama
http://bzland.net/?topic=75957.0
Cougar Girl
http://bzland.net/?topic=73542.0

>>152951075
>Every single oneshot is made by a writer + artist duo

Is this Neverland's magic?

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>>152918781
>you stopped translating a manga
>a group of fans say they're going to quickly scanlate to the latest jap chapter
>you stop them and say you're going to continue
>You scanlate one chapter months later then stop again
>yfw

>>152952421
there is special place in hell for people like you anon

why did you stop them? just curious? if you enjoyed working on it so much you could've joined as proofreader or something

>>152929830
>you can go back to your last "line" with the delete key
Oh wow, thank you. I've always been too lazy to actually watch or read photoshop tutorials.

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>>152951075
>Ask for something to be translated
>Don't even bother to link the raws

>>152938283
fuck off it's shitty and only used by people who are new

>>152955491
I did tho >>152952125

also, you can find them very easily, just write the names in Japanese in google and you will find them

It's Jump, everyone host their raw

How do people rip manga from sites like,
http://www.ganganonline.com/viewer/player/viewer.html?tw=2&cid=SQEX_WATASHIGXXXC1100_72
It's using canvas and I've tried fiddling with some js to extract image but I can't get it to look right.

>>152937993
Honestly it depends on context. リア充 basically refers to people with happy offline lives, but they usually refer to those with healthy romantic relationships.

>>152918781
In the age of ebooks and digital releases how is redrawing even relevant anymore? Just rip the digital version and you got HQ pages ready for editing, no scanning or redrawing required.

>>152938515
Holy fuck, my old uni site is still up. That's fucking hilarious. I haven't updated that in like a year or two now.

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>>152918781
They'll never make a third game

>>152958461
>shutterstock
I have never understood this brand of ironic shitposting.

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>>152957379
The problem is not getting the images, anon. The problem is fixing them.

This is the first page.

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>>152959826
>>152957379
You can use responsive design in Firefox and set the window to 1456×1032 (for this particular release) and then take snapshots. The images will be at their original size, so no blur or other unwanted things due to upscaling or downscaling, and they will be saves in PNG.

You will obviously need to crop the first image since there's only one page.

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>>152957379
For other mangas, you will first have to check their resolution with the broken image and set the resolution of the responsive design to the appropriate values. It should be twice the width of the images and have the same height as the images.

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>>152957379

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>>152957379
A

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>>152957379
And the last one.

Keep in mind that this solution is not that pretty, but it works. You might want to get in touch with somebody who can program and automatize this process or find a way to fix the broken images.

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>All this people saying there is not a third Kyle Hyde game
There is a game in 3DS that is made by ex-Cing employees. The protag is Kyle Hyde 1.5 and the game is basically a spiritual succesor of Hotel Dusk and Last Window.
It sucks that Nintendo didn't allow them to use the original IP.
It also has a qt with glasses. Not as qt as Rachel though

>>152957674
there will always be old stuff that will never be available digitally

>>152959826
>>152959973
How did you get that image? When I tried the resolution was messed up so I wouldn't be able to tell original resolution.

>>152959950
Didn't know about RDM, that's handy.
>>152960055
I can program but I'm not super experienced with this sort of thing. Do you know of any rippers that work on sites like this I could look at?

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>>152957674
>how is redrawing even relevant anymore?
Gee, I don't know. I am sure there is not a single artist out there who likes to write text directly on drawings, without bubbles or anything like that.
You fucking moron.

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>>152957674
Remember, guys, no redrawing required!

>>152960271
Did somebody write FFF into his face?

>>152960304
Oh shit. You're right. I didn't notice that.

>>152960255
>>152960271
Actually if scanlating like this would speed up the release of manga I follow, I'd support this shit.

>>152957379
This is for you.
https://jii.moe/r1z0tslOg.rar

>>152960398
I'm more interested in the process, how did you do it?

>>152960451
I used the chink script to rip them. Just so you know I won't share it with you, sorry.

>>152960532
>I won't share it with you
Why?

>>152960217
https://a.uguu.se/TMykMvWk2tWg_2017-02-02_13-50-43.mp4

That's how you get the broken images. But the important thing is knowing their resolution. You then go to responsive design mode, put the same height and twice the horizontal resolution and you're good to go. Start taking snapshots with the camera button and then crop the images if you need to.

Anyone did the hinamatsuri chapter?

>>152960577
>responsive design mode
I never knew about this that's neat, thanks for all your tips

>>152960555
It's a rule between anon who gave me it and me.

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>>152958461
FUCK YOU !!

>>152960676
What's the point of hiding it?

age

>receive absolutely flawless redraw from redrawer
>have to choose between either putting the text over the redraw, thereby masking the beauty of the redraw; or cramming the text into a corner in a smaller font size to let the redraw be seen
What do *you* do in situations like this?

>>152964829
cover the redraw, that's what it's for

>>152964829
You put the text on the redraw.
If you really value the pure image so much, you can add it as a bonus to the zip. But don't fuck up readability just to preserve the art.

>>152963323
As I recall, it's so that the companies don't change their algorithms or whatever because they notice massive amounts of people doing weird shit on their websites. If the script is kept by only an extreme few, the companies won't notice it, and won't change their sites.

That was one big reason, and then the other big one was something something jcafe. Someone else can probably elucidate that better than I.

>>152964919
Sounds like FUD desu.

>>152964829
I always typeset where the original text was, unless the English translation takes up more space and covers something that makes it look bad, like too much of a character's face.

>>152963323
What's the point of asking it?

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>>152964919
My script that spam scrapes the jumbled pages through proxies is going to look much more suspicious than a handful of /a/nons fiddling with script.

>>152964973
>unless the English translation takes up more space and covers something that makes it look bad, like too much of a character's face
That's exactly my conundrum. What do you do in that circumstance?

>>152965116
There's a difference between looking sus and looking very clearly threatening

>>152965075
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-programs-should-be-shared.en.html
If a handful of anons are interested in the technical details what's the harm? And there could be benefit in having more people understand script.

>>152965158
Make the font smaller than the original was or put it somewhere else in the panel.

>>152965198
Both result in manga distributor changing their code.
Assuming they actually monitor that.

>>152965339
then it's just mean-spirited sabotage if you do it on purpose

>>152965397
Thus the rational thing would be to share the script.

>>152951075
Miso Soup said they will do Legacy oneshot
however they died very soon after, maybe their new group will be interested in it?

>>152965248
It's waste of time because here in NOT the place to discuss with you about program should be shared, teaching techniques for RE something like that. If you want to know about it, should go to the cracking forums. that script is not shared, that's it.

>>152965158
most people won't care, so just put the link to the textless version in the tl notes.

>>152966068
>that script is not shared, that's it.
People like you ought to be destroyed.

>>152966255
> People like you ought to be destroyed.
Thank you. Be proud of it.

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>>152966068
Sharing is caring.

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Say, how would you translate this mood indicator? The intention/direction is clear - "I'll tear you apart" or something of that ilk, but I ought not write a full sentence to translate a mood indicator, right? It's an equivalency of 死 as a mood indicator, but it's *not* 死, so I can't just write "death" or "kill".

Thoughts?

>>152966814
It's not his to give. Accept it or don't. It won't change a thing.

Bump. I seek answers.

>>152966837
*No* advice? There must be at least one other TL/typesetter in here.

>>152970416
Don't bother with that shit, man. "Kill" is good enough.

>>152966837
綻 so maybe rip/tear?

>>152971707
Yeah, I said that - but does that look appropriate? There's nothing that 'says' "tear" in that image beyond the kanji itself. If I wrote it as plainly as "tear", it could be misconstrued as a sound effect; even if I gave it a particularly unique typeset.

>>152972054
RUIN

>>152972054
Put it in quotation marks.

Redrawer anons who use a Linux distro, do you run PS through wine or simply use GIMP? If you use PS through wine, does it crash or get laggy?

I'm planning to install Ubuntu but I gotten used to PS too much and I heard GIMP sucks.

>>152973118
It does suck, indeed, but it depends what you use it for.

>>152973118
I got PS and Topaz working through Wine once, but it crashed if you did anything it didn't like and I can't even remember how I did it. For just redrawing GIMP would probably be good enough, but good luck relearning it and getting rid of any PS muscle memory.

>>152973297
>>152973302
Thanks anons, I guess I'll continue using Win 7 for a while. Also, is it possible to use topaz filters in GIMP at least?

>>152973528
It seems it is.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+it+possible+to+use+topaz+filters+in+GIMP

>>152973725
Thanks.

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>>152939852
But the CING staff have moved onto to Arc System Works

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How would you translate this name?

>>152966068
>should go to the cracking forums
Which are?

>>152963323
Making money.

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On a scale of 1 to 10 how blasphemous is this? How do you feel about sacrificing sharpness for similarity to the original tones?

So far I've asked two people, one of them being a hardcore scanning/cleaning autist and the other a normal translator, and the first said they preferred the left and the latter the right.

>>152977960
Both look good to me, but if I absolutely have to pick, I'd pick the left one simply because I'm used to that screentone look.

>>152977960
I prefer left by far.

>>152977960
Left.

>>152977960
I like left better

>>152977960
hahaha, I know it's yaoi one so you are fujoshi.

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>>152973118
I'm running PS CS6 through wine, and I haven't had any crashes or had it lag any time so far. The only annoyance I had was tooltips not going away, which is fixed by disabling them. I'm not sure if you have a tablet, but if you do and pen pressure is a dealbreaker for you, then it's best to just go for Windows.

>>152973302
Topaz also seems to be working fine for me.

>>152976294
Lorca Fair Refeufor Sherwanone Lola Leshanopia

But it probably doesn't matter how you translate it

>>152977960
Left. There's too much detail loss in the right one.