>mc wants to be stronger than main girl to "protect her"

Depends on how it's executed, but mostly not.

No, it's irredeemable garbage

Nope.

It often ends with the "tough" main girl often being a damsel in distress and giving unwarranted shit to the MC for saving her thus ruining her character.

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>Attempt to conquer the universe.
>Kill millions of people in the progress.
>All to protect your sister.

Reinhard goes fucking hard body.

Protecting someone's smile is a great trope. You should probably pick another hobby if you can't enjoy it done well.

>>152880200
I want a guy and girl couple that can both kick ass together. Combo attacks and tactics.

Love it. Call me a traditional faggot but I love the hero growing strong to protect the maiden,

Depends.

Is the mc the typical high school fuckboi that we tend to get nowadays? In that case it's bound to be shit. Chances are he'll pull incredibly lucky critical saves out of his ass on a consistent basis without actually bettering himself in any way, shape or form, giving way to some god-awful excuse of character development. I mean it'll work for cheap harem shows where none of us really care, but you could pull of just about anything you want in those shows.

>>152880357
Now shit like this is when the trope can actually shine.

That being said, I still enjoy the trope's reverse more, even if main girl doesn't successfully protect mc.

>>152880200
As other anons have said, it ruins a good female character for fucking nothing, if anything it should be like a competition
>i can be left behind, i must get in the same level of X
And what not
But "muh protect her" is annoying if she can protect herself in the first place

>>152880200
the last time I enjoyed it was when shirou was faced with the hypocritical nature of his desire to protect and had to come to terms with himself.

It's usually not that satisfying since most shounen have the prerequisite of "the hero is never wrong about his ideals" and the entirety of the universe agrees with this assessment meaning it'll be one dimensional schlock.

>>152880357
What is he, a retro Lelouch?

>>152880610
Have a (You)

>>152880200
that logic specifically doesnt make sense to me
instead of thinking about it as becoming strong enough to protect someone, you think about it as becoming stronger than them to protect them

>>152880200
It feeds the fantasies of beta teenagers.
So, no.

>>152880649
God bless you, I'll spend it wisely.

Where's the super powerful couple that gets married in order to protect each other at all times?

>>152880749
The first that comes to my mind is Kenichi and Miu

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>mc is weaker than main girl
>trying to beat main girl countless time and always lose
>main girl respect mc even though he always lose
>someone humiliate mc
>main girl defend him
>main girl bumps into someone as strong as her
>spends more time with him than with mc
>eventually they both get married leaving mc all alone

How do you feel about
>Characters have abilities that they can't even use if they get separated

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If it is the other way around, yes

>>152880200
Only if he successfully becomes stronger than her but fails to protect her anyway.

>>152880200
But men should naturally want to assume their biological role. Why should I not enjoy a confirmation of this, generally speaking? Of course, execution is what matters. Any trope can be mishandled. And typically this shows up in stories based on the premise that the natural is an assumed negative, or purposed to upend traditional roles, which means the story is already pretty much trash.

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>>152880200
>mc want to protect strong/magical main girl
>he does almost nothing

Subaru is fucking unbearable MC.

>>152880916
Has this ever been done?

>>152882266
If it has, it would probably be the most rageworthy thing ever.

>>152880200
This is the worst in fate stay night, with a japanese boy wanting to defend king arthur, shirou's inner monologue was easily the worst thing about the vn.

>>152882367
It wouldn't be rage worthy if the MC kept training. If he's fighting the girl not because he likes her but because she's legitimately strong then it wouldn't be sad if she shipped with someone else.

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>>152880300
This.

All of this.

It is the absolute worst hell.

>>152883236
It would be rageworthy if we're going by the theme of this thread.

>>152880200
Kind of it depends on the series or not, it can range from really dumb like ReZero or good like Fate. Also the reverse is great like Witchcraft no Second Season Works.

>>152880200
Not really, it's a blandly generic motivation for a romantic side plot for one thing.

What's more if the main girl is already strong then she can probably protect herself anyway, it's unrealistic to be motivated to protect someone who's strong. People only get motivated to protect things that are weaker or more vulnerable than themselves.

It also often leads to the main girl being reduced to a weak, crying vulnerable piece of crap for the MC to protect. Which kind of kills the point of introducing the character as being strong to begin with.

If you're going to have a vulnerable love interest who needs protection then write a vulnerable character, don't write a strong character then deliberately shit on them until they're comparatively weak and useless enough to need protection.

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>>152880200
No I fucking do not. I know I'll probably get accused of being some feminist or sjw or whatever just for saying this, but is it so bad to just let a female character be able to handle herself? Does she have to be forced into a stupid position of vulnerability just so the male MC can save her and turn her into his submissive blushing moeblob waifu? Can you not explore anywhere beyond the most cliche possible romance? Hell does it really have to be a romance to begin with?

Never really got into the Fate series, what was so bad about the MC?

>>152883966
White knighting moralfag to the 11th degree.
Gets involved in a magical battle between revived historical heroes with godlike magical powers. Gets the most powerful hero of all as his partner. Constantly insists she stand back and let him fight against the other godlike heroes (despite barely being stronger than any normal human himself) because "hurr girls shouldn't fight I I have to protect you".

>>152884082
Not to mention the part where this actually works out and the entire show frames his actions as being correct rather than framing his actions as being ridiculously fucking stupid (because that would actually make sense).

>>152880300
Came here to say this.

I do enjoy it. It is a totally natural impulse on a man's part to want to protect his woman, and it's satisfying to watch if well done. A big part of the appeal in Japanese-written works for me is that many of them still acknowledge these traditional gender roles.

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>MC wants to get stronger just because he wants to feel superior to others

>>152884116
just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

>>152882249
>repels deadly assassin
>protected village from magic dogs
>saved Rem
>lead an army and slayed a giant whale which terrorized the lands for thousands of year
>considered as hero now, bff with Wilhelm, even Crusch wants him

Emilia is doing jackshit, while Subaru is doing 99% of the heavy lifting.

>>152883336
I suppose. I've always wanted to see a story like The Way of the Gun, except in this case it's the MC with nothing left but a will to become the best of die trying.

Only if MC is also female.

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>mc is paid to pretend to be weaker than the main girl
>so she could continue to indulge in this fantasy where she's the greatest fighter ever
>mc always have to make her faint, destroy everybody in sight and wake her up telling her that she did all of that

>>152881936
You must get a ton of pussy

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Even the strongest princess needs her knight

>>152884490
But Touma could easily beat her up in a fight.

>>152884515
Not if the fight was waking up on time for midterms/finals. 1000% certain his clock would break or he'd get temporary deafness and sleep through the whole thing.

>>152880610
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you got me!

>>152884555
She tutors him

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>powerful chick knows she's stronger than the MC but still wants to be rescued by a dashing hero

>>152880200
If Fate is the main girl, does Nanoha count?

>>152884852
It just doesn't carry the same connotation.

>>152880200
It depends. Does the MC want to get stronger because he's a dead weight and puts the main girl in danger? Sure, why not. But if it's done just for muh mamoru then it's utter shit.

>>152884116
>rather than framing his actions as being ridiculously fucking stupid
But it does?

Are there any series where the girl starts and stays stronger than the guy and takes the dominant role in the relationship?

>>152885212
Sounds like a femdom show.

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>>152885212

>>152885212
Medaka Box

>>152880200
Only if he fails

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>FemC thinks she is the strongest
>fights enemy more powerful than her
>Male companion who never fights destroys him

The 2D world is perfect and idealized. People who project their biases and anger over real women into 2D are clearly just failed bitter normalfags trying to jump on the 2D train only after they failed with 3D.

>>152884428
>>152885412
I like it.

>>152880200

God no. Because usually the way the writer goes about it is less making the MC getting stronger and more making the main heroine get weaker

>>152880682
This. At core, dude wants to be useful.

>>152885678

yeah but even if you change the concept to something as simple as "I want her to be able to rely on me" or "I don't want her to fight alone" you make the hero keep the desire to be strong without making the heroine seem weak which is generally the problem

It's great went subverted and taken to extreme as in Re:Zero or Fate route.

People realize Shirou has screws loose, right?

>>152885769
I have no problems if people aren't just mad the hero saves the heroine and conveniently forget all the times the heroine has helped/saved his ass.

>>152882463
You should probably reread it then. Shirou is clearly lost on you.

>>152885909
People in this thread come off as secondaries whom haven't actually read the VN so they just regurgitate things they have a surface level understanding of.

Shirou is a great example of how this trope could be mutually beneficial to both the hero and heroine.

>>152885212

>>152885339
>>152885371
These.

>>152885971

It's less THAT she needs her ass saved and more HOW she needs her ass saved combined with the heroes progression feeling unearned

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>>152880200
No but I enjoyed this.
>Heroine wants to be stronger than the MC to "protect him"
>Literally fucks the MC before leaving him without a word to train in the mountains and become the fucking sword KING
>MC thinks she dumped him and develops an erectile dysfunction from the trauma while at the same time being manipulated by a hobo demigod.

>mc and main girl's power up is their compatibility with each other
>main girl isn't a tsundere
Is it really that hard?

>>152886556
This is some shitty LN, right?

>>152886608
Yes.

>>152886571
It's so hard that it gets canned without mercy.

>>152884082
>Gets the most powerful hero of all as his partner.
Wrong.
>>152884116
>rather than framing his actions as being ridiculously fucking stupid
It does do this.

>>152880649
Have two, treat yourself anon you deserve it.

>>152880200
No because that always implies that the MC miraculously gets stronger than the main girl when the main girl starts out miles ahead
If you're going to make an obscenely overpowered waifu then keep her obscenely overpowered.

>>152888350
He could skip that and just form a contract to get abnormally overpowered, we all know how MCs love their contracts.

>>152884082
>Gets the most powerful hero of all as his partner
>King Arthur
>most powerful
Excuse me I recommend you actually read or even watch before you talk about things you don't get

>>152888383
I'd rather have her stay overpowered. What's wrong with being overpowered anyway?

>>152888333
>it's another faggot from tumblr with the /pol/ boogeyman post
Not even your trips can redeem you.

>>>>/reddit/
No you?

>>152888403
I'm just giving our poor MC here an option.

>>152888417
Form a contract with who? With the main girl? But how can she give you a contract to make you stronger than herself?

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>>152888439
With the main villain, he'll sell out his friends for some quick powerup.

>>152883966
Secondaries haven't read the VN so they haven't gotten to the payoff. The first third of FSN more or less bows to the MC's shitty ideals, UBW starts challenging them via Archer (who lived with the same ideals as Shirou and ended up hating his life) but in the end the MC still decides to follow his ideals while still not trying to go too extreme and end as miserable as Archer. Finally, HF completely shits on his ideals and he actively has to abandon them in order to continue the story. The "superhero" ending where Shirou continues believing what he believes paints him as a soulless monster.

>>152888469
>implying the main girl isn't orders of magnitude stronger than the main villain

>>152888492
But the main villain is best girl with the best powers and the most lucrative contract options for our MC here.

>>152888486
Both Mind of Steel and Sparks Liner High are noteably not bad ends, simply 'ends'. And Unlimited Blade Works shits down on Shirou pretty hard, it's made perfectly clear that what he's doing is fucking retarded shit but since it's 'beautiful', it has worth in and of itself since nobody can stop you for living your life for an 'ideal'. Unlimited Blade Works represents the concious decision to pursue a life of the superhero while knowing your endgame doesn't look like Clark Kent but like Saddam Hussein simply because it's a beautiful dream, while Fate represents blinding thinking it IS going to end up like a shonen plot and Heaven's Feel represents throwing away 'the many' for 'the few I actually give a shit about', the implicit acknowledgement that while human lives may or may not be equal, you simply shouldn't care about the many when they have nothing to do with you and sacrifice your own happiness for that. In other words, Fate represents an idiot thinking he's a god; UBW represents someone who understands he's overstepping but wants to go there anyway; and HF represents someone who decides to live life like a human and not on such an unattainably grand scale.

>>152888486
Haven't even watched the anime adaptation, heaven's feel was allright but fate and unlimited blade works was trash.

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>>152888517
The main villain is the Antagonist, so she'll never end up with the Protagonist.

>>152880200

Is was only good in Medaka Box because no one could ever get stronger than her.

>>152888617
Just wait until you see the episode where the MC and main girl finally makes it to the main villain's chamber and she kisses him in front of the main girl.

Maingirlfags BTFO

>>152888632
Medaka's power was literally to be a mary sue so I'm not sure that's good
I mean I guess props for making a negative character trait an actual power

>>152888579
Mind of Steel was a bad end. Sparks Liner High was just an "end" since Shirou died at the peak of his heroism, but Mind of Steel is not painted in any remotely positive light. Hell, it's even still called a Bad End. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV6hkW1bgmo

Otherwise you're basically on point, I was just trying to note that UBW challenges Shirou's mindset while still not actually altering it whilst HF did.

>>152888579

>HF represents someone who decides to live life like a human and not on such an unattainably grand scale.

Heaven's Feel represents someone selfish, if not evil. In the true ending, Shirou knowingly let people die for his personal happiness.
Mind of Steel is the only logical and moral ending in that route.

>>152888688
>Heaven's Feel represents someone selfish, if not evil.
The entire point is that humans are selfish. Or rather, humans are NARROW. A human doesn't have the capability to look beyond his immediate vicinity in a crisis. You don't shoot your mom to save two random faggots you've never heard of, you'd be more hurt hearing your friend died than ten thousand dudes from the next town over, and so on.

>In the true ending, Shirou knowingly let people die for his personal happiness.
That's what everyone does though. I mean I'm sure you've eaten a lot of good food lately when other people are starving instead of buying that food and giving it to random beggars. Saints are saints because they're not human in nature anymore, they don't act in the way humans are expected to act.

>Mind of Steel is the only logical and moral ending in that route.
Mind of Steel is what happens when Shirou acts like a machine to maximize utility for a community. It reduces him to a tool that acts to minimize risk and maximize reward. Hence, a Mind of Steel - he's just a machine that carries out procedures to maximize the number of living people. This is not necessarily moral, nor necessarily logical - especially when you consider that being too logical is paradoxically not logical at all when we're talking about humans.

>>152888759

I'd consider shooting my mom if I knew she was going to kill again, I knew it was going to be a lot more than two people she killed, I knew I had no reliable way of stopping her beyond blind faith and I knew there was a distinct possibility she was going to kill me.

The gamble Shirou took cannot be said to be logical or morally justifiable.

>>152888783
Matricide is also morally injustifiable, and the entire point of Heaven's Feel is that morally justifiable is often neither here nor there. Humans act because they want to be happy and that's fundamentally the only reason that should always be in your mind. Others might come and go but if you forget your OWN happiness you're fucked up, that's the message that gets progressively told throughout Fate, UBW, and HF. Shirou doesn't want to kill Sakura, he'd be sad if he did, and that's good enough. He's not the law, it's not his job to enforce the peace of society. He should be living his own life. Whether or not you agree, that's the message HF had

I dislike the "tough female characters" in general.

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>>152880200
Yes

>>152888851
>not being a fan of overpowered waifus

>>152888783
>The gamble Shirou took cannot be said to be logical or morally justifiable.

That's literally the point. It was addressed in HF itself, and it's why it's such a major turning point for his character. He was willing to risk the lives of other for his personal happiness instead of ending any potential chance of him ever being happy in exchange for the lives of people that in the end he didn't care about. He wasn't thinking "logically" by treating everyone as equals, he wasn't acting "morally" because he was letting a monster live. He was being true to himself instead of what he assumed would be the right thing to do.

He chose being a human over being a superhero, and that's the entire point of the route. Heaven's Feel is all about moral grays.

>>152888820

Matricide is perfectly justifiable to preserve your own life, whether you derive your morals from philosophy or from evolutionary psychology's notions of acting to preserve one's genetics.

If your mom was going to turn into a perhaps unstoppable monster that was going to kill you, kill your friend from school and kill untold numbers of others, I don't think many people would fault you for killing her while you have the chance, and for all you know it's a chance you won't have again.

I agree that humans act in their own self-interest, and for that reason it would be easier to ignore if Sakura was just going to kill a bunch of random people- but to reiterate, as far as Shirou knew she was going to turn into something he might be unable to stop that posed a threat to his life and to the lives of everyone else in town.

Sure, I'd be sad to have to kill the girl I thought was hot. But I'd be even sadder if I got friggin' killed by her because I didn't kill her when I had the chance.

>>152888820
So what you're saying is that Kotomine isn't a bad guy

>>152888937

I don't think it's a moral grey though.
Kiritsugu is more of a morally grey character, what Shirou did was bank on a ridiculous gambit which we're supposed to interpret as very human of him when it was nothing if not completely foolhardy. Nobody in real life would make the same choice as Shirou unless they were themselves assured of having anime plot armour. The risk was just too great.

>>152888851
They're good when they get broken.

>>152888947
>Matricide is perfectly justifiable to preserve your own life
Oh no. In many philosophies it most certainly is not. You're never allowed to kill your mother in many philosophies and traditions, even if she was going to kill everyone else on the planet.

>I agree that humans act in their own self-interest, and for that reason it would be easier to ignore if Sakura was just going to kill a bunch of random people- but to reiterate, as far as Shirou knew she was going to turn into something he might be unable to stop that posed a threat to his life and to the lives of everyone else in town.
Everyone else in town is IRRELEVANT. Shirou and his immediate circle are all he cares about.

>Sure, I'd be sad to have to kill the girl I thought was hot. But I'd be even sadder if I got friggin' killed by her because I didn't kill her when I had the chance.
Shirou is reversed, he'd rather die because he fucked up than kill her without ever knowing what would've happened if he gave her the super dangerous chance he did.

>>152888982
Kotomine is Chaotic Evil because he kills people for enjoyment and for no other reason, but Heaven's Feel makes it pretty clear that Shirou isn't much better than him for sparing Sakura and risking everyone else - but that it also doesn't matter because morality is something meaningless for humans to discuss. People will be true to themselves. People wish others would spend their limited resources helping them, instead of spending those resources helping themselves. Thus why selfishness is often presented as evil and utter selflessness the highest form of good. The entire point of HF is 'just shut up who cares if it's good or evil, people are who they are.'

>>152889021
>Nobody in real life would make the same choice as Shirou
This is wrong

>>152888982

At least Kotomine was looking for an answer to an interesting philosophical quandary, it's a better motivation than some.

>>152889036
>Kotomine is Chaotic Evil because he kills people for enjoyment and for no other reason
He never did this

>>152880200
I don't really mind it.

>>152889070
He doesn't do it but he makes it pretty clear that he considers himself evil because he wants to cause people suffering and gets off from it.

>>152889021
>Nobody in real life would make the same choice as Shirou
People in real life give their loved ones extra chances all the fucking time. "Just this one time". "He won't waste this money this time". "I trust her". And when the alternative is killing the person yourself it's even more evident.

>>152889021
>Kiritsugu is more of a morally grey character
Kiritsugu isn't morally grey. Kiritsugu is straight up heroic. His actions are antiheroic but there is literally no better motivation than 'I just want to save the world', and we're told that every single one of his actions were, at least in his mind, steps towards that end.

>>152884490
this broke my heart

>>152889036

>In many philosophies it most certainly is not
Do you subscribe to those philosophies? Does anyone? Can you name them? Are you saying you wouldn't kill your mom if she was going to kill everyone on the planet including you and then probably herself? Nobody thinks like that really. I can appeal to common sense to demonstrate killing your mom is justified under certain circumstances.

>Everyone else in town is irrelevant
And this is why I see him as evil. That said, I can understand trading many unknown people for a few you do know, but he stood to lose both on his gamble. This is why it was the wrong thing to do.

>>152884428
>>152885412
Is this real? if so can i get some sauce?

>>152889052
>>152889133

Are people really so driven by sentimentality as to gamble their own lives and the lives of those around them on a slim 'chance' to save the one they love?
I can't imagine it.

>>152889021
You're acting like people don't do dumb things for the ones they love.

Plus this isn't really any dumber this his whole thing about protecting Saber in the first route despite being significantly weaker. Shirou is not a character who makes decisions based on robotic logic

>>152889164
>Do you subscribe to those philosophies?
No.

>Does anyone? Can you name them?
Ancient Chinese and Persian cultures. There was literally no higher offense than going against your parents. You could literally be ordered to kill yourself and you'd have to do it. Roman culture was similar but only applicable for the father, and this remained true as long as your father was alive.

>Are you saying you wouldn't kill your mom if she was going to kill everyone on the planet including you and then probably herself?
Doesn't matter what I'd do, I'm telling you it's wrong that those philosophies don't exist.

>Nobody thinks like that really. I can appeal to common sense to demonstrate killing your mom is justified under certain circumstances.
Your common sense. Shirou's common sense says otherwise, so fuck off if you're using this argument.

>And this is why I see him as evil. That said, I can understand trading many unknown people for a few you do know, but he stood to lose both on his gamble.
To him it'd be just as bad if he lost Sakura alone. If he had even a 1% chance of letting her get better, that's better than 0%. What don't you get?

>This is why it was the wrong thing to do.
For you. HF's route message is different and that's all I'm saying.

>>152889213
>I can't imagine it.
Then imagine it.

>>152889213
Yes

It's kind of like when a woman stays with an alcoholic wife beater with her kids

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>>152880973
My brother from another mother!

>>152889221
Instead of "I want to protect the girl because I'm the protagonist" Shirou was more "I want to protect the girl because I shouldn't be alive"

>>152889272
Shirou was actually "I want to protect this girl because I live to protect hurr"

>>152889236

>To him it'd be just as bad if he lost Sakura alone.
I see. So he's a man who operates on a logic driven by emotion rather than thought. Someone whose prepared to risk the lives of innocents for a 1% chance of saving someone he loves.

Would you call someone like that a good man?
I wouldn't.

>>152889213
You can't be this edgy.

>>152889308
>I see. So he's a man who operates on a logic driven by emotion rather than thought.
Like everyone else in the world. Maximizing "profit" is something that a machine does, not a human. That's the central point of HF.

>Someone whose prepared to risk the lives of innocents for a 1% chance of saving someone he loves.
Who gives two fucking shits about the innocents? The innocents are literally nobodies for him. Would you shoot your entire family if I told you this would save 10 000 randoms in India? That's what we call inhuman - not the other way around.

>I wouldn't.
Who cares if you would? Who are you to judge people like that? Are you god? You get to pass moral judgement on your peers? Nobody cares about you.

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>tfw MC isn't spooked by anything
>he does what he wants when he wants
>antagonists call him out and say he's not a hero and say he isn't heroic
>MC still defeats them and lives his life the way he sees fit

>>152889402
That's just an Ubermensch.

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>>152880610
Good one.

>>152889373

I'd shoot my family if I was going to save 10,000 people in India, my friends from school, myself and if I knew my family was probably going to die anyway (because if Shirou tried to save Sakura and failed, she was going to die on way or another)

Maximising profit is human nature. Haven't you heard of the greatest happiness principle? It's simple utilitarianism.

>>152889467
So you'd straight up shoot your family to save the lives of literal nobodies instead of trying to save your family, and you have the gall to call others evil.

>>152889467
You're full of shit.

>>152889372

Are you honestly telling me you would gamble your life, the lives of your friends and the lives of, say, fifty people in your town on a slim chance of being able to save your loved one?

That doesn't make you terrifically human, it makes you terrifically stupid.

>>152889492

Trying with no guarantee of success, no reason to believe I would be able to succeed, knowing I would likely die myself if I failed and knowing my friends would also die if I failed- yes, I'd straight-up shoot them.
That's not evil, it's logical. You didn't gamble any human lives and maximised happiness. It is the right thing to do.

>>152889507
If I had king arthur, my future self, some rad swords and a wish granting thing then yeah I'd probably gamble it

>>152889543
If you're being perfectly logical you should've just shot them right away. Why add a qualifier? Surely your nuclear family isn't more than 10 000 people large?

>>152889543
Alright but now let's say she also has magic powers that makes her otherworldly good in bed

>>152889554
He had no reason to believe he would succeed.

>>152889581
We're talking about Shirou here, and why his choice was morally wrong. Analogies are fine if they're comparable to Shirou's choice, but if we change the framework of the argument it's no longer relevant.

>>152889679
Oh so now you're backing off from your claim of pure logic!
To shirou, if Sakura died then nothing else mattered. Everyone else is irrelevant to Shirou and matters not in the slightest. This isn't evil. This is how humans are. You can be sure that a mother would do something dangerous that might get a thousand people killed to have a slight chance of saving her child who's critically injured.

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>tfw you're waifu dies anyway

>>152889719

It seems we have some disagreements on the way humans behave.
I don't think a mother would risk the lives of others to save her own child, shouldn't a mother have empathy enough not to risk the lives of other children, inflicting her pain upon other people?

>>152889933
Go back to basic psychology class.

>>152889933
People will endanger themselves and everyone around them by disregarding traffic laws and driving at absurd speeds because their wife is giving birth in the back seat

>>152889933
Why the fuck would a mother care about the lives of OTHER children when her own is in danger?

>>152889976

To clarify, I was replying to >>152889719
who stipulated 'a thousand people', which is quite a lot.

I'm sure a mother would risk, you know, some people as in >>152889962


But not a thousand.

>>152883487
>like ReZero
The trope doesn't even apply here he isn't interested in being strong.

>>152890039
The point is that it literally doesn't matter how many people are being risked for the most part as long as it's out of sight. If she has the personally pull the trigger that's a different issue but just doing something (or refusing to do something) that might've saved thousands of others is generally going to be a thing when she can have a shot at saving her own kid.

>>152890090

But in Shirou's case it wasn't out of sight, was it?
If his gamble failed, Tohsaka would be dead, maybe other people from his school would be dead, he'd turn on the news and hear about people in his town who had gone missing...

Different scenario entirely.

>>152890138
Yeah but he can worry about that when it happens. A mother who can save her child and have everything turn out alright, maybe, or give up on her child and have everything turn out alright for people she doesn't care about 100%, will pick the former 99.9% of the time. She simply doesn't give two shits about the others.

>>152888906
Reminder that she did nothing wrong

Depends, just make it novel.

>>152880375
>done well
That would be the issue at hand.

>>152886571
The only reason I watch twin star exorcists.

>>152889507

>Would someone really do something stupid?

Watch the news every so often. Or read some history books. People constantly do utterly retarded things.

People risk their lives over literal pocket change, or because it would let them get to work two minutes quicker. What Shirou does if risking lives for a loved one, that's far closer to rational than plenty of things people do.

>>152889754
I don't think he was ever stronger than her. I think he won one competition out of a thousand which allowed her to trust him enough to marry him.

This thread feels so emasculating.

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>>152880200

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>>152880200
It will be better, but main girl still stronger.

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Are you stronger than you're waifu?

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>>152891053
Maybe physically, although I'm sure she's had military training so that might fuck me over. Once she gets into the mech, I'm as good as hamburger though

>>152891099
You are now obligated to join the military and become a mecha pilot to protect her.

>>152891317
That didn't work out so well for Bernie

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>>152880200
It depends on the girl really. If she doesn't need protecting, then it's something ridiculous.

Pic related: girl who doesn't need protecting.

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>>152891053
No, but only because it's a metaphysical impossibility to get stronger than her. You can't be faster than light because light define speed.

>>152891879
You are now obligated to become a magical girl.

>>152891879
>You can't be faster than light because light define speed
It actually doesn't.

>metaphysical impossibility
I see you and raise you an ontological being.

>>152892954
He's talking about himself, he needs more training to be stronger than Homu.

>>152895021
Ontological > Metaphysical

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>>152895055
I don't even know what those words mean.

>the main girl is the protagonist's rival

>>152880200
> vivid strike
yes.

>>152895085
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology
A metaphysical being exists above physical reality.
An ontological being exists above existence itself because fuck you logic is literally below it

>>152890138
According to the VN, choosing to be a superhero means that Shirou would end up killing Tohsaka himself anyway.

>>152895417
>philosophy
>aka 'high af so I'm going to think about things 2deep4u'

>>152895417
So how does this make him stronger than Homu?

>>152880300
If a character's only personality is being tough then there was never much character there to begin with.

She would be more like a walking deus ex machina to get the mc into becoming a bad ass.
To be honest, would histories strongest kenichi be as good without miu?
Since she fits your description to a T.

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>this thread
I now have something new to post in those write a plot threads, thanks everyone.

>>152880200
Mostly not because the scenario will be either being very annoying or fucking dumb.
>main girl is in pinch
>MC, who is weak as fuck tries to "protect" her by being meat shield (read: paper shield)
>scene followed with MC receiving fatal injuries in slow motion and dramatic face zoomin for a whole minute

>>152880200
Why do you want to be stronger than the main girl and not the grizzly bear attempting to eat her?

>>152896619
You have to be stronger than the main girl first before you can be stronger than the grizzly bear attempting to eat her.

>>152880916
>>152884428
>>152884682
>>152885412
picked the fuck up

>>152896584
Thankfully the days of those type of MCs are over.