If a villain makes you hate him does that make that villain a good villain?
>If a villain makes you hate him does that make that villain a good villain?
Usually yes, if you're hating him for the right reasons and not hating him because he's a shit character. And it also doesn't mean that all good villains should make you hate them. A good villain can sometimes be more likable than the protagonist. It always depends on the overall story.
Because it means it's a cartoony villain and not very well-written.
It depends. If he's "edgy" for fun then it's usually a terribly written character and he's just creating problems for himself in the long run. If he has a reason to be edgy then it's usually fine.
Not necessarily. I do believe that it should be character first before their role, though.
Recently watched GATE and I HATE the Emperor's faggot son.
Not even going to bother to save a pic of him.
>reaching from unorthodox to completely above and beyond any reason
Yeah now way there could be different shades of edge. Just for clarity's sake, which definition are we going with today?
She is pretty edgy isn't she
Not everyone uses Edgy to describe 'Thing I don't like'
People do legit use Edgy as a reason to describe series they don't like
Be it that they're overwhelmingly depressing, to the point you'd honestly question why it's and escapist medium or overly violent, gore ridden and kill happy to the point you can't even invest in a character because they could die at a moment's notice or it's outright absurd.
The problem is that /a/ is morally bankrupt or out of touch with human sensibilities so they don't understand why X is edgy and take it as a buzzword, and thus it spread as a 'nice buzzword troll' or 'let's ironically use it' thing
>Not everyone uses Edgy to describe 'Thing I don't like'
I did not imply that.
But the word edgy really does mean a dozen different things here, probably because there is no dictionary definition to fall back on.
It pretty much *is* a buzzword.
not him but
>kill happy to the point you can't even invest in a character because they could die at a moment's notice
this proves his point, that's not really edgy and has happened in storytelling for almost as long as there's been storytelling
good tier villain:
Johan from Monster. a sociopath who who coldy kills many people in a calculating way to further his goals. He's charming as well as brilliant so he's a great villian
shit tier villain:
that bitch from Akame Ga Kill. Her whole stichk is that she loves to kill people that are a challange, and thus she just kills kills and kills everyone around her. Definition of edgy because her only trait is "Killing people is fun! muh strong survive philosophy!"
regardless, if people are using edgy in a way that it can apply to glorified fables that are now taught to schoolchildren then the original anon is correct that it's nothing more than a buzzword
No. If a villain makes you love him and root for him instead of the protagonists, that makes that villain a good villain.
But sadly this isn't common enough in anime.
How can you even hate smug villains?
I disagree. Plenty of actual villains in this situation. I can't come up with any anime examples, but there are lots elsewhere.
I'm not him.
I'm just pointing out the definition of villain encompasses anti-villains.
Villains are people who do bad things.
Anti-villains are villains with second thoughts (very roughly).
An anti-villain is simply a villain that is 'redeemable' so to speak, and at the same time the villain is a literary construct. There's no such thing as a villain in real life, because the entire point of the villain is to serve some sort of narrative purpose, the same way antagonists, protagonists, support characters, the mentor archetype, etc. have narrative purpose.
I think the good or bad of a villain should be judged based on how well it works within the narrative.
Anti-villains run the gamut from being "realistically evil" (i.e. they're not complete fucking monsters, they do things with purpose, they have their own standards, they may or may not have a good or at least understandable goal, etc.) to being "on the wrong side of history" - people who would've been the protagonist of a heroic story but aren't the hero of this particular story, who are only bad because their agenda comes into direct conflict with the protagonist's.
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>Name a hateable non-edgy villain
Except she's not hateable she's pure love.
A good villain must also be a badass. Pic related.