Anime through the years

To be honest OP your post demonstrates that you know more about anime than most of /a/ already

>>152537316

And to be honest myself, I looked a lot of this up before posting so I didn't seem too stupid...

>>152537244
I think anime only follows to what style would trend in the jap comic industry

>>152537244
Where's the '10?

>>152537343
See? All it takes to know more about anime than /a/ is a quick google.

I don't know that there's any anime that truly defines a time period because different anime are watched by different people who like different things. Uchuu Senkan Yamato and Gundam defined SF anime in the 80s but they didn't influence other popular things like Magical Princess Minky Momo or Touch. Azumanga Daioh influenced the moe yonkoma adaptations often thought to define the 10s but not more popular shows like Gundam Unicorn or even Bakemonogatari. It's more helpful to think about anime history in terms of genre than time period

>>152537244
I think looking for specific originators for a lot of these trends is a fool's errand. Sure, you have some really influential anime that everybody points to as turning points in the industry - say, Evangelion - but even those are really the product of decades of iteration and reimagination. After Tezuka, nobody's really consciously copying one particular artist's style so much as they're consuming a particular tranche of anime and manga in their formative years as animators and mangaka.

>>152537475

It's just a random pic I found. It didn't have '10 on it. Sorry.

>>152537577
To add some more nuance to this, yes: you do get a few cases of clear, direct inspiration. (Ikuhara Kunihiko's obvious influence on Shinbo Akiyuki being one of the most direct.) But those sorts of lineal relationships are the exception, not the rule.

>>152537569

That's actually very helpful. I never even thought about condensing it to genre. It makes more sense now.

>>152537577

I've noticed that too for the newer stuff.

>>152537244
80s looks just like Izumi Noa and 00s looks like a sad Nishizumi Miho

>>152537590
That's fine. I wonder if someone made one for the 00-10 decade

>>152537626
>Ikuhara Kunihiko's obvious influence on Shinbo Akiyuki being one of the most direct
You what? Shinbou's been doing that kind of stuff since basically the same time Ikuhara started doing it. They're both Dezaki-inspired more than anything.

>>152537680

I don't know if that's on purpose but I think it's just a bunch of pictures overlayed on top of each other to find the 'Average'. Sort of what they did for actual people :https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/world-of-facial-averages-east-southeast-asia-pacific-islander/

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>>152537738
I found this but it's not as good as the other one posted.

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>>152537664
Yeah. Look for little microgenre trends, though, too: producers and underwriters are pretty risk conscious, so they tend to greenlight things reactively. The result is odd little booms like gothloli detective shows (Dantalian, Gosick, and Kamisama no Memochou) or fantasy shows involving red-haired female leads who are undiscovered royalty / fraternize with royalty. (Akatsuki no Yona, SoreSekai, Akagami no Shirayukihime, and now Mahoutsukai no Yome.) Not to mention all the bajillion Eva clones since 1996.

>>152537751
>Shinbou's been doing that kind of stuff since basically the same time Ikuhara started doing it. They're both Dezaki-inspired more than anything.

Fair point on the Dezaki influence, but Ikuhara did get out of the gate first, and the real shift in Shinbo's style happened shortly after Utena came out. Contrast Metal Fighter Miku with, say, Tenamonya Voyagers or Yamamoto Yohko.

>>152537869

Man, the hole just keeps getting deeper. Now I got to think of niche's genre's and possibly even tropes.

>>152537836
That's just an outdated catalog of KyoAni's body of work, you dink.

>>152537836
2005-2007 was a mistake

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>>152537432

I haven't even thought of manga or the impact/influence it holds on Anime... And deeper in the hole I go.

>>152538071

You're right, sorry.

>>152537938
>niche's genre's

Fucking what, did you have a stroke while typing that?

>>152538105
>tumblr

That explains a lot.

>>152538105
You didn't consider how the fucking source material might influence anime? Are you serious?

>>152538218

It's just a gif I found that's linked to tumblr. See? https://31.media.tumblr.com/4d61a1afb33e8f4867faab937e2c8e95/tumblr_inline_nb7xtmbC9x1rjf1pv.gif

>>152538254
A few more decades of mobage, VN, and LN adaptations and we're gonna be swamped with these pubbies.

>>152538254

yes. I'm that stupid of a noob. Because I've only gotten into anime. I haven't even started the stuff suggested for manga.

But of course it would influence it. Like books with movies and tv shows. But clearly I'm too retard to consider that in the first place.

>>152537869
His Yu Yu Hakusho storyboards look a lot more Shinbou than Metal Fighter Miku tho and those predate Utena

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>>152537343
>a newfag who actually takes time to learn so he can contribute well
I'm pleasantly surprised
Anyways, I can't really help you apart from pointing you towards the more well known series, after that you're on your own.
Your best bet for who started each "phase" is probably just what series was a hit then and memorable now.

For example, if I was looking at mecha I would say Gundam, sure, but SDF Macross was certainly up there as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxahwxY_5jg

>>152538204

guess I did.

>>152538351
That would be the main vein Dezaki influence. I think there's still a distinct and identifiable Ikuhara influence as well, though, particularly in his use of fanciful architecture and shadow animation, as well as in the way he engaged with Dezaki's work subsequently. (A shift from homage to out and out parody.)

And then you get the transition to 'modern' Shinbo with Tsukuyomi.

>>152537244
friendly reminder to lurk for 2 years before posting, if you made this thread on /wsr/ i'd post the chart.

>>152538388
Apparently I didn't learn as much as I should have * >>152538254 >>152538105


thank you. I'll guess I'll have to look around and find anime that's recommended of the stuff I've already watched and compare them.

>>152538431

I'll keep that in mind. I'll go back to lurking after this.

>>152537836
The fuck happened in 2005?
>>152538102
Don't talk shit about Haruhi

>>152537244
"Phases" have less to do with a certain anime inventing it and more to do with the market at the time. Like, a lot of anime throughout the 70s and 80s were sci-fi oriented riding off the success of Star Wars.
Art style shifts throughout the years, but if you do a bit of digging and reading up on your history it's easy to find animators who defined and influenced the next generation of artists.

>>152538330
>pubbies

fair enough

>>152537343
Why can't all newfags be like this?

>>152538678
I'd do this too but I'm still on my first 2 years lurki.. wait
shit

>>152538560

That makes sense, thanks.

>>152538703
>..
lurk 2 more years before posting

>>152538703
You don't actually have to lurk for two years. A few months is fine

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>>152538724
Here's an image that does an okay job illustrating the development of some popular art styles.

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here you go OP

>>152538890

This is impressive and informative. I'll have too look into all this stuff. Thank you for this!

>>152538974
This is more of a history thread than a rec thread

>>152539002

Op here. I'll take it anyway. I haven't even seen half of these yet. Thanks >>152538974

>>152538890
Would be nice to see an updated flow chart which includes web-gen animators.

>>152538890
I've never seen this before, but it's really neat. Is there a full lecture or something somewhere?

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Old anime is shit

Embrace the future.

>>152539063
All I know about the source of the image is what it describes in the header. Got it from a guy on here.

>>152539063
I know the first translated version came from anipages, but that's about it.

>>152539034
I prefer to keep a safe distance from the present when talking stuff like influence, there's just too much uncertainty

>>152537343
I like you. Lets fuck.

>>152539154
I think some of the first web-gen animators like Shingo Yamashita and Kenichi Kutsuna have clearly defined influences by now. The likes of Norio Matsumoto and Satoru Utsunomiya are big influences on that batch of web gen animators, and Kutsuna referred to himself as Utsunomiya's student during a recent talk.

The section with Ohira and Yuasa can probably be extended with Hironori Tanaka too since he professed to having them as his inspiration.

>>152539153
http://www.pelleas.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=796&start=15

Link to original

>>152538974
over 50% on that list
>little kid anime
>daddy type anime
>girl shit
>sports
>moe shit
>edgy 12 yo hero power fantasy
>comedy slice of life
>utterly shit art - the anime
>dry and boring

maybe 20-30 good anime

>>152537244
The earliest harems are Urusei Yastura and Ranma. I hear some people say that Yu Yu Hakusho has been influential towards shounen. I suspect that the success of shows like Clannad leads to more VN harem adaptations being made. The same thing applies with LN adaptations, the success of a few of them led to waves of additional adaptations. Off the top of my head successful attempts would be Shakugan no Shana, maybe Toradora, and most recently Bakemonogatari. They can be distinctly divided into genres though.

I'm not exactly an anime art afficianado but studios like Key seem to stick with their distinct style of animation, but yeah over the years it changes quite a bit.

Anime and mango are made for a market, after all, and people want characters that look, or even act like them, or at least what they want to be.

Notice the girls barely changing across those averages.

>>152537343
You're doing just fine OP. The only thing is that /a/ does not like elipses (...) for some reason, so you should stop that. Something to do with tumblr.

>>152539627

I'll try to remember that.

>>152537244
>that image
Damn 80s a best. I suck at drawing but when I am sketching for fun I still draw the face outline the same way as the female in the 80s pic with the indention at the temple, its how I learned.

>>152537244
80s was best. Now is the fucking worst. Everything looks like a pointy-chin metrobieber. It's hideous.

>>152539412
Never said it was the list of best damn anime of all time.
It's a broad stroke across all genres.

IMO you have to see both the good and the bad to form your own taste.

>>152539547
Love Hina is also absolutely indispensable to the Harem genre.　I am not a fan of the genre but I watched Love Hina on repeat as a kid and found it incredibly charming

Opening is a classic
https://youtu.be/oTa5CS-ZM9I

>>152539855
Now is also the most uncanny valley. In the 80s the characters actually looked like people.

>>152539731
I hope I'm not interpreting this wrong but I didn't actually draw it. It's just an image I found. It's from here:https://cdn.archonia.com/blog/wp/2014/11/Anime-faces-through-the-years.jpg

>>152537475
>>152537590
>>152537781

>>152537244
Modern anime is getting too detailed to the point where animators are struggling to keep up.3-tone shading may no longer be a thing unlike some old 80s anime but hair, eye, and costume design in modern anime is way too complex to be animation-friendly.

>>152538890
>No IG & their GiTS first digital anime processing era
What a shit.

>>152539866
>I watched Love Hina on repeat as a kid and found it incredibly charming
Me too. Love Hina and those Love Hina-themed games on Newgrounds irreversibly warped my sexuality at such a tender age. Thanks, anime.

>>152540031
The chart is more about the styles of 2D animation rather than any advancements in animation technology. Also, Blood: The Last Vampire is the real landmark in modern digital processing for Production IG, not GiTS.

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>>152539878
I really found of the glamorous 70s style myself. 80s are good too, but its the point where the industry changes forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiMnOsdv7xI

>>152538345
The manga and anime industries are practically joined at the hip, and manga is the medium that contributes the most source material to anime by a pretty wide margin. Video games and light novels also make for pretty popular sources, though light novels only really took off in the mid 00s. Staying on top of popular manga is basically like looking into the future to see what the next big anime will be in a year or so.

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>>152537738

not mine btw

>>152539627
Ellipses should be used to represent speech patterns, but nobody should be writing on /a/ like they would talk in real life. Ellipses have their places in novels for dialogue, but not here, where it just makes you look timid and indecisive.

Thanks to Trigger Tripfag. I just know about this yesterday.
>Buy BDs ---> Support the Series & its comitte
>Buy Merchs ---> Support the Studio

>>152540088
Fuck, I'd totally forgotten about Blood. I started going to cons around the time it came out and I remember how much hype there was for the whole digital animation thing.

>>152540115
https://youtu.be/cUGdIMSLZ_4?t=35s

I now get the ref from Milk Chan Op

>>152538555
Keyshit

>>152540115
>4 frames per second
Lol this era...

>>152540352
they made every frame count, though.

>>152540389
The animation's actually not that great.

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>>152540213
That's pretty misleading and kinda backward. Merch generates more revenue for studios, but the cut they get from each sale is actually smaller than the cut they get from BDs. In the bigger picture, merch makes them more money because all those royalties add up to a larger stream than BD sales, which are generally fewer in number. So as an individual, if you want to know the best way to support a studio the answer is buy their BDs. They get a bigger cut of every BD sale, the main thing that makes them less profitable than merch is there aren't as many people buying BDs.

Threads like this further prove to me how big Digibro is on /a/, even if they won't admit it.
I've been here for over ten years and I rarely see certain terms or names, but once Digibro makes a video on it they basically become common place.

>>152539576
>Anime and mango are made for a market, after all
This is something I feel like so many people, including most of /a/, don't understand. I see them complaining about those "damn otaku" like they're holding the anime industry hostage. When all they did was buy shit that nobody else was buying. Can you blame the industry from chasing after the otaku yen? What were they supposed to do, go bankrupt and starve?

>>152540595
Who the fuck is digibro? I see this dumb faggot mentioned by crossborders and literally nobody else.

>>152540130

I guess I better get started on reading manga and looking at some of the newer ones then.

I'm having trouble finding as much with light novels though. It seems like the popular ones get picked up by Yen Press and taken off of the fan translation sites. Gotta spend money to read them then.

Also, is it because of the translation or do light novels not put who's speaking and you have to guess?

>>152540656
A brony who now tries to become a youtube-anime reviewer.

>>152540656
Nice buzzword.

>>152540691
>youtube anime reviewer
So yeah, only crossboarding faggots would watch that.

>>152540595
Since the average /a/non watch <10 anime their whole life it's easy to see who's the real authority on anime around here

>>152540726
You're trying way too hard.

>>152540595
>I've been here for over ten years and I rarely see certain terms or names, but once Digibro makes a video on it they basically become common place.
And you have specific examples of this?

Please don't let the thread get derailed into e-celeb discussion.

The late-night anime industry's workforce is made up of otaku who become animators drawing for otaku who buy the anime.
Easy money for the producers, and they can keep exploiting them without feeling badly, because nobody really likes otaku anyway.

>>152540666
A lot of the light novels that get adapted are flavor of the month stuff that it pretty much a waste of time to keep up with. There's a few big series out there with multiple seasons, but most of them are just 1 season advertisements and are totally forgettable.

As to their formatting, Japanese can be pretty vague with respects to attributing dialogue. It should be the job of the translator to clean it up but most LN fan translators go for speed rather than quality.

>>152540764
Shinbo/Sakuga/The arguments used when discussing Habanari and all the "meta anime are becoming stale" threads once he released the video on it.
Not to mention the massive wave he caused in 3x3 threads when he released a video on that.

>>152540666
>Also, is it because of the translation or do light novels not put who's speaking and you have to guess?
That's just how they are written. Translators could try to make it clearer who's speaking but it would not be as faithful to the original. It shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who's speaking.

>>152540845
Wait are you really such a massive tool you think some e-celeb dipshit invented the discourse on things like sakuga and shinbo? Holy shit, please fuck off from /a/ forever.

>>152540815
>LN fan translators go for speed rather than quality
That's understandable.

Do you have any recommendations for LN's? Most I've seen seem to be related to whichever has an anime attached to it.(Which isn't bad. It's nice to contrast and compare the two)

>>152540937
>Has basically no reading comprehension
>Tells me to fuck off

Try again.

>>152540845
Sakuga discussions have been a thing way before some youtube random started mouthing off about it.

>>152537938
Don't call it trope, because tvtropes is a terrible website

>>152540947
I'm not really a connoisseur of LNs, I mostly only read popular stuff. I liked Kino no Tabi, Haruhi, the Monogatari series, and Highschool DxD. Oh and Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but those are more real novels than Light Novels.

>>152540888
I sort of figured. I'll get the hang of it.

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>>152540984
>>152540937
There's a reason I said
>Have become more common once he made a video on it
as opposed to
>Discussion started to pop up for the first time once he made a video on it

>>152540595
It's the opposite. Digibro lurks /a/ and learns more from here and spreads it to normies on YouTube.

>>152540981
I comprehended easily enough. You're some newfag who thinks a moron that's been making videos for like a year invented sakuga and shinbo wankery.

>>152540985
You're right. I should have thought of that.

>>152541022
I'm not convinced that's the case. The general "sakuga" community's growth is more likely attributable to sakugabooru.

>>152541022
And when was that exactly? Do you have a time frame for this? /a/ has had these discussions for a long time, you just didn't notice them until an e-celeb told you what to think. You're basically just projecting your own reliance on a youtube celebrity onto everybody else because you're an ignorant tool.

>>152541036
You clearly don't comprehend anything at all.
Stay quiet kiddie.

>>152540947
>>>/wsr/

>>152540595
Yeah no, you have it backward. It sounds more like this guy lurks /a/ and just distills what he picks up here. Unless he's been making videos since like 2008, in which case I rescind my doubts.

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>>152541102
>If I just throw words at the wall maybe one of them will stick.
Oh boy /a/ is literally becoming /co/ now.

>>152541036
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>>152540981
>>152540937
>>152540867
>>152540828


Op here, I don't know what you guys are talking about. But calm down a little.

>>152540787
I agree

>>152541152
So I'm taking that as confirmation that you can't back up anything you're saying and I'm right. You're just projecting.

>>152539412
>I want a comprehensive outlook on entirety of anime

>"It's shit, because it has genres I dislike"

>>152541188
You literally don't know what projecting means.

>>152537244
This isn't really art style related but you might enjoy this talk if you want to know more about animation styles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLNHSrJoqFM

>Is there a particular anime for each generation that helped shape or define it. From 80's to now
80s=Original+Zeta Gundam\Macross\Urusei Yatsura
90s=Evangelion\Sailor Moon\Saber Marionette
00s=Love Hina\Shakugan no Shana\Haruhi
10s=Madoka\Idolm@ster\SAO

In before some anon suggests this is a list of best anime per decade or something retarded

>>152541260
>Madoka
explain

>>152541253
Thanks!

>>152541247
You projected your ignorance of things like sakuga and Shinbo onto /a/, as well as the fact that you learned about these things from a youtube celebrity. I asked you for a time frame for this supposed "surge" in sakuga or shinbo discussion on /a/ following his videos and you just deflected with reaction images. Meaning you can't substantiate any of what you say and it's just based off your feelings, feelings gained via the projection I described earlier. QED: go back to /v/ you fucking faggot.

Sometimes I wonder if there's a correlation of the popularity of SAO and the huge spike in isekai content.
Or if its just a really convenient coincidence.
Too lazy to research though

>>152541253
Love this panel, even if it's pretty basic it's nice to see people talk about this stuff

>>152540988
I'll have to read those. Thanks for the suggestions.

>>152541355
High School DxD is a guilty pleasure. I can't in good conscience recommend it as quality reading, but I can't help but love it.

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>>152541247
>Trying to deflect from the original point.
Weak. Just how new are you?
Back up your arguments first before you choke on that e-celeb dick too hard.

>>152541260
popular =/= definitive

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Why are the 60s/70s always ignored?

>>152541371
I take it that High School DxD isn't well liked(I haven't seen it yet)? Or it's just fluff?

>>152541400
It's old. Also, the popular shows of that era tend to get some kind of remake anyway, or are referenced through tropes they created in the first place.

>>152541418
It's one of the most overrated haremshits people only read for the girls and powerlevel wank.

>>152541287
muh 80killion sales

But besides that, it was the first big original aniplex cash cow, loads of more "serious" (albeit to a lesser or greater degree) shows flooded with yuri undertones followed it, made Urobuchi into a meme, and alongside Monogatari (which should admittedly be on the 00s as well) killed the SHAFT we once knew and turned it into a money grubbing machine

>>152541400
I'm sorry if I seemed like I ignored 60s/70s in the OP. Do you have any suggestions? I liked gege kitarō and Astro Boy.

>>152541418
It's THAT harem.
Where the MC wants to dick all the girls and gains the power to actually impress them, but also there's a plot and it's not very functional

>the day I discovered Go Nagai
It all makes sense ever since.

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>>152541400
Because anime wasn't being marketed and sold in the US until the 80s. Also, most shows from the 70s are QUALITY as fuck, including some of the classics, so that probably turns a lot of people off.

>>152541400
I find it really hard to approach because the content feels so different. Though I largely have this problem with a lot from the 80/90ies as well

>>152541400
seinfeld effect

>>152541400
Hardly anything from the 60s is subbed and not all that much from the 70s

>>152537343
>I looked a lot of this up before posting so I didn't seem too stupid
Damn you're rare.

>>152541502
Forgive my ignorance. I haven't seen much harem stuff besides Tenshi Muyo, Golden Boy, and School Days(boy was that a ride).

>>152542104
On second though I don't think I should call Golden Boy a harem. It's not really.

>>152542104
Holy shit kid, watch some fucking cartoons before making threads like this where you have nothing to contribute to and behave like a clueless twat that just wants to be praised because he googled what fucking Gundam is and throws around industry names he might have heard on reddit without ever seeing any of their works.

Only a pretentious retard would be looking into exploring industry fundamentals while having seen less than 10 anime series, just to stroke their dick of how much a patrician they are. Watch more fucking cartoons and just maybe you will research this shit because of a genuine interest in particular genres/styles as opposed to attention whoring and virtue signalling like you are doing right now.

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kita-

>>152543673
I wasn't trying to come off that way. I even said "I'm an ignorant newfag to anime" in the op.>>152537244

I never claimed I knew anything about the industry. I was just talking about things I noticed when I was watching stuff and saw similarities.


I even admitted I googled stuff before posting. >>152537343

I do have a genuine interest in this stuff. Which is why I came here to talk and learn more.

But you're right. I need to lurk more and watch more before I should post here. It was a stupid idea on my part. I'm sorry for wasting your time.

>>152544237
Post what you want, ask what you want

lurking is always good but not if there are specifics you're interested in

>>152537244
00s is best