The VN was well liked but the Zero and eventually UBW adaptation brought a lot of cancer. Waifufags got worse than ever.
Of course nothing compares to FGO, I dare you to go to /fgog/ right now on /vg/, it's 100% cancer(they even post their own fanfiction grail wars) and that cancer leaks here. And i'm just talking about the fanbase here, every spin-off retroactively ruins the VN so people are tired of the series already, they just want to pretend FGO, Apocrypha,Extra and other cancer doesn't exist but Nasu keeps retconning shit that they've learned years ago and it becomes annoying.
With something like Bleach or Naruto or One Piece people can understand the cancer albeit it's not like they want it, but with something like Fate that's not 1% as popular the small fanbase is just too vocal and god they're circlejerk of the worst kind.
Just zoom in, it's pure white
>they even post their own fanfiction
This is the current active thread, as in right now
>Why is fate so hated on /a/?
Because Grand Order and it's """"fanbase""""
Oh here comes the falseflag. Fatefags can't stop falseflagging about Tsukihime, when someone talks badly about Fate the same retard starts to talk about Tsukihime and falseflagging about it.
>dead apostles appear in Fate
>people mention DAs
>REEEE tsukisime xDD
>people talk about ultimate ones
>REEEE tsukihime xDD
And then he starts to shit on KnK and F/SN
>Because FGO is the only important thing in Type Moon
Nobody ever thought that Nasu would use GO's "money"(that Aniplex has by the way), the remake has been a thing since forever and everyone knows that Nasu won't release it anytime soon, we've known that since 2010. Nice try newfag shitposter.
Fate is /a/core.
Not the stupid new milking shit like FGO though.
So this... is the power of the superior FGO players who have learned Japanese to understand all their waifu games on release. Really penetrates my pussy.
Fuck this fanbase and especially FGO for all the cancer it brought out. The franchise is doomed the way it's heading really, Nasu will never bother to write anything with decent worldbuilding or memorable characters ever again. And you can't blame him, considering his retarded fanbase.
Fate/Grand Order is actually a really great read after London. People treat it as some kind of heresy that we get some silly servants here and there and that the power scale has jumped a mile, but it's a story with more than 100 servants, it had to get a little wacky. Besides Nasu has loved his comedy bits since the very start.
Sony sure is in the business of taking good things and destroying their name these days.
F/GO built the world pretty nicely though. We now fully have a grasp of what Grand Servants are made to do, and the Beasts they oppose.
And who would consider F/GO lacking in memorable characters? I thought everyone loved Roman and Da Vinci. Then as it went on we got new all-time favorites like Lancer Artoria, Merlin, and King Hassan.
>get to meet a dangerous beast in VR
Neat, hope they make some of other servants.
The thing with F/GO is that as a game, it's absolute cancer, with no redeaming traits except for the story, however that only gets good later on. So people who actually like FGO as a game are probably cancerous but it's still not that bad an entry.
How about NOT having 100 servants (many of them stupid fanservice and waifubait shit that shouldn't even be canon), and NOT making it a mobile game? If he genuinely wanted it to be a good story, he also could've made sure it didn't only become good halfway through, and that the protagonist wasn't a literal blank slate.
There is excuse, FGO is treated like shit because it is dumb shit, whatever potential it had was squandered by their desire to make money.
If it didn't have a huge quantity of servants, it would be a different story. The threat this time around is meant to be on the world stage.
It being a mobile game doesn't damage the plot at all.
It was written in sections, it can't be helped that the first sections were rocky and relatively poor. Also, those sections were not actually written by Nasu. He delegated.
You haven't even read it and you are just spouting the same prejudices that always circulate every single time the subject of F/GO ever comes up.
There are still japanese companies making great games that sell well worldwide. If they don't want to make more VNs, that would still be a much better option than cancerous mobage if they cared in the slightest for the story.
Nasu hates the worldwide audience. Extella only got released because Xseed is bringing a game their company made. He literally told Mangagamer and Sekai Project to fuck off when they wanted to localize the VNs
a.k.a all excuses to bring in the maximum number of waifus and husbandos so braindead retards can splurge their money trying to get that shit for a team that doesn't even need to be good and for MyRoom lines that you can just watch online.
>it can't be helped that half the story is shit because Nasu only actually started caring about it halfway through, when fans put pressure on him
Really shows you how much he's cared about this project from the start.
Excuse me if I can't take a "story" seriously when they literally bring in Waver, Rin, and fucking Taiga as "demi-servants" because they know it'll make money and requires no effort.
Speaking of which, end yourself for posting Tohsaka while being an FGOcuck. You should go fap to that brand new Ishtar crap of yours.
Yeah, a shame that "better story" came so late and is now a grain of sand buried beneath 10 tons of shit (with more getting piled up every update).
Best forgot the whole thing than deal with any of it.
>tfw no ps4 nor Vita
It's a waifu mobage with gacha and a self-insert protagonist.
You can polish a turd however you want and even add a cherry on top like Nasu did with the story. Still not even worth looking at.
Fate/Stay Night is a gateway eroge of the worst kind. It's a bad game, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive waify faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the franchise itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the noble phantasms, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole servants faggotry and everything about the Fate/Stay Night world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on heroism, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
Fate/Stay Night is basically THE franchise to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Fate/Stay Night threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
Of course I am, only FGOcucks unironically enjoy watching a franchise that they (presumably) like have its ass ravaged until death. Actually, they help in the process.
They're that greedy that they even appealed to the 3 fucking Taigafags that would put in money for her, I know.
>Ishtarin adds nothing to the story and they even have her wear a "I'm a useless Goddess" sign at one point.
Her good half Ereshkigalrin does more than she does and is a better tsun.
Also I for one don't mind Demi-Servants if we get a Kirei and Issei ones. Shinji and Zouken are dead.
Exactly. Pointless fanservice Servants are even more cancerous than the ones they excessively shoehorn into the story.
>is okay with reusing Kirei's design for husbandobux when they could instead be making an awesome Rasputin Servant
>He berried his dick so deep into her that when he pulled it out, he said, "I'm King Arthur now, bitch!"
well, the fusing with Regalia and synchronizing mana is pretty much like having sex. And Nero is hot for femMC
More like Fate/Jew Order can't waste any money that could potentially be made off of those designs.
If they actually cared about this being any more than a waifufag mobage, they would've made a real counterpart to those joke characters (just like the revolting new Musashi), but you just know that's not what they want.
Reminder that FGO is as canon as Shirou fighting Shinji in a legendary Hanafuda duel in the middle of a storm
and there is hand holding promise, lap pillow etc
I have held my Nero close in the rose filled bath, thanks to F/EX, and I'm
>Arturia was a shemale
>Merlin is a futafag
>Gawain is a lolicon
>Lancelot and Tristan are into BBA and netori
>Mordred with her gender dysphoria might be into everything or nothing, and anything in between
>Morgan was a whore with a sister complex
>Agravain wanted to bang/get banged by a scrawny little boy who was also his uncle
Camelot's fall was a good thing.
I don't regret it. And Ereshkigalrin is better than Ishtarin, because she got all the good traits. Ishtarin is also 70% Ishtar so she's normally a shit. It's the Rin parts that actually make her less shitty.
And I'd rather he became a vessel for a god than Rasputin.
I don't think you understand the difference between /jp/, /vg/ and /a/. Most generals are cancers and devolve into that. I guarantee you that /a/ would devolve into that if it was allowed to have actual 24/7 honest to goodness generals.
Well yeah, but that cancer completely reveals the kind of fans that these people are, and who this mobile game was geared towards.
Retarded waifufags who don't give a flying fuck about the franchise.´
Just like Altera is technically an alien and shit. But you better believe they're never going to bother making a real Atilla the Hun now that there's a waifu version.
Reminder the universe prunes realities all the time.
And that the Age of Man was possible because Ayyy lmao Altera wiped out 80% of life on earth 14000 years ago making Gaia and her remaining stuff weaker and weaker.
>Heroic spirits from the past come to serve you as your own personal cock sleeve
>also instead of manly men they are cute demure, virginal girls
>They fight for you over a litteral wish granting macguffin
>Literally every route in extella is some girl gushing over how much they want your dick (feminine)
>even the world destroying evil is a cute girl who wants your dick
Sony is selling PS4s in almost every country, where do you live? In North Korea?
As for the Extella, you can buy it directly from PSN or get the physical copy, For about a 50 euro game the duty and/or VAT won't be so bad.
Altera is an alien In. Every. Universe.
If the Human Order exists then Altera was there. At most there might be a universe with Attila.
>A giant Male Moon Rabbit.
This also means he has a big sis and little brother.
Yes. She wiped out everything human except Uruk. Gil's human dad was alive 14000 years ago and she agreed not to murder them.
It's why he trolls Archimedes at the end of Altera's route. He was there to protect his mongrel Hakuno.
>I-I should argue semantics since I have no other straws to grasp at!
More accurately it was the Sefar that did so and Altera is the remaining core of Sefar.
She became "Attila" after the Huns dug her up and made her their leader because she was so good at fightan.
Because us Tsukihime fans are bitter that the Tsukihime remake is stuck in development hell because of Fate.
Roman and Da Vinci were always good. But they needed to play secondary first to bland self insert and the most boring main heroine of Type Moon. Nasu could have told the same story in a novel format with Da Vinci as heroine and Roman as protagonist.
>world building and main story
Except half of that main story. And everything else about FGO is the lowest of anything that Type-Moon has ever produced.
It's a bit simplistic but I wouldn't say it's worse than Apocrypha. Shaft and Nasu writing a new script could do wonders with it.
We can't say shit about Strange Fake because Narita usually only starts fucking up after a certain point.
No it is not. It's absolute trash as a story and the setting is literally "muh high school on the moon xD" with very little good exposition about how the Extra world developed. It's completely out there in regards to the F/SN continuum and even its ending can't save it from what the first 3/4 of the game do.
Nope. You can cry about it all you like but F/GO was better developed than the other garbage that came out recently like Extella (literally a "what if ayyliens lmao xD" story). This is both because it actually world builds and because it earns Nasu 10x the amount of money as the other entries.
Its a very surreal experience that is all about questioning nature of reality with a lot of surrealist imagery. The story presents a surreal and mysterious setting questioning a lot of various philosophical themes, as well as providing some eccentric erotic subtext.
The MC is also someone who requires quite wordy amount of development as they are someone who essentially develops from absolutely nothing(with no goals wishes or anything) into someone due to going through the events in the story.
Likewise the rest of the cast is quite complex and different from each other. The heroine character chosen for the adaptation(since there are three choices in the game) is also arguably one of the most eccentric, unique and complex nasuverse characters ever. Everyone else also has quite eccentric and unique backstories and motivations. I mean the cast of non-servant characters basically includes A tech-terrorist, a megalomaniac heir to the world government, a faulty AI, a post-human man-made "android", etc
Also the story is focused on subverting or averting the expectations coming from Fate Stay Night, thus it takes a lot of the plot expectations of FSN and turns them on their head for a stronger overall narrative.
>I'd rather waifu actual Venus and husbando Mars over Nero and Altera.
>it earns money so it's good
Musoushit is bottom tier appealing to the lowest common denominator, but literally anything is better than a mobile game with gacha and a self-insert protagonist, regardless of how much "epic lore" Nasu tries to shove into that shit.
Good copypasta, I didn't ask you for your review into the "thematic merits of a erotic fighting game" rather what it does for the series as a whole. And don't kid yourself with "subverts" or "adds deeper philosophical meaning" - nobody believes that garbage and it is not present in the goddamn least. Those "new characters" you rave about are ripped straight from F/SN and given new (read: retarded) backstories to fit them in a world that has no place in the Tsukihime verse.
If Nasu wanted to develop a post-mage society in a way that would be actually benefit the series he should have just wrote out NOTES as a whole.
Not by far. You're just stupid if you say that. Extella has more retarded pandering than FGO, hilariously. It's entire ending was stupid hollow fanservice. While FGO ending is actually being praised in Japan as one of the best things Nasu wrote in ages. They put Roman's final scenes as one of the top 5 most touching moments of Fate franchise next to EMIYA saying goodbye to Rin, Saber's "You're my sheath", Illya's because you're my younger brother and Angra's goodbye to Bazett. It was extremely well liked and well thought.
Meanwhile Extella ends with a pandering fest harem with ayylien bland waifubait Attila the Hun as a loli. Nobody in Japan gave a shit about it except for waifufanservice.
There is no "what if" anon. Aliens DID attack and it fucked up Gaia and the Second Age of Gods.
FGO constantly brings up a disaster 14000 years ago and the age of gods had been in decline since.
I didn't say it earns money so its good - learn to read the english language. I said he SPENDS MORE TIME AND EFFORT ON IT because it earns him more money. That is the simple and honest truth. You can cry about it all you like.
And Extra, CCC, and Extella are all self-insert, no questions asked.
The only time it is referenced is with a) Atilla (the Extella bait character) and b) that one saber rip off. There is nothing about it that adds substance to the world. It is not about TYPES, which would have been a welcome addition - it is just some dumb generic alien subplot. Possibly the worst revision to the series.
Not an argument
>And don't kid yourself with "subverts" or "adds deeper philosophical meaning" - nobody believes that garbage and it is not present in the goddamn least
Argument by assertion fallacy
>Those "new characters" you rave about are ripped straight from F/SN
>and given new (read: retarded) backstories
The most mature backstories in the series you mean?
Any thread where /fgog/ cancer is even mentioned will turn into a shitfest because there are retards who think it's normal to talk about it outside their hugbox.
Thank Nasu and his nu-fanbase. It's impossible to be a fan of new Fate stuff because it's genuinely turned into shit, just enjoy the anime adaptations when they come out.
And that shit gets abandoned in like volume 2. Hope you like a generic homunculus who gets Jeanne to fall for him in a completely soulless rehash of the Fate route without any UBW to follow after it.
Great rebuttal, there is no fallacy there because you never supplied your burden of proof required to lavish it with those praises.
Furthermore, it is INARGUABLE that half the cast is pulled from F/SN. It's the truth. The returning servants, the masters and the supporting allies are 50% present in earlier additions and with the EXACT SAME personality to boot.
And "mature"? There is hardly anything mature about it. It's far less mature than any other addition in a variety of ways, in fact.
>rehash of the Fate route
Nope, it is two factions warring for a large part of the series and all of the characters are actually NEW. It's lesser than F/SN because it fails to develop the setting meaningfully but the character interactions are nice and it is certainly not the worst addition to the series.
It is a mobile game with a self-insert protagonist. Which means the user had a year and 5 months to get attached to Roman through all the stories and events and experience an unusual sense of loss more than in VN or other platforms because of the time spent and invested.
Do I like the gacha and the self insert bland protagonist? Absolutely not. But Nasu used the medium to create that attachment, and shoved it on the face of the crying fanbase by writing a small afterstory in his blog where the protagonist hallucinates Roman and is unable to celebrate shit because they can't barely stop themselves from crying. It's a gacha game that made the players who finished get a bittersweet taste of this. Most were saying "It felt more like a story of loss than a story of gain."
Meanwhile Extella betrays any kind of substance by never actually addressing actual themes and going for the worst fucking ending.
Artemis knows what Altera is and is wary of her.
Lion King told her followers of a Giant of Destruction 14000 years ago in Camelot.
One of the Divine Servants mention Altera is no longer the weapon she used to be in Solomon.
The backstory lore has revealed there were three phases to the end of the Second Age of Gods. 14000 years ago was the first phase, 2600 BC was the second, and 700 BC/Artorias time striking down Vortigen/Solomon's sacrifice in 2016 AD were the third.
You can assert that, but the entire teams fracture apart very early on and the war does not even resemble Red VS Black in volume 3 onward.
>and all of the characters are actually NEW
Everyone except Emiya and Cu are new in Extra. Extra was still pretty mediocre.
Nasu can use his jewish business model to illicit "the feels" from his fat braindead fans as much as he wants, it doesn't stop it from being a fundamental flaw that makes anything in FGO completely irrelevant.
Moon Sakura has no relationship with Sakura Matou beyond visual.
Extra Rin is Stay Night Rin's niece.
Different Shinji completely as well.
Same circumstance as Sakura.
Okay, I did forget Arc. That's 3.
Same circumstance as Sakura and Issei.
She's a bonus easter egg, literally cameo tier, not a character acknowledged by the plot.
>it doesn't stop it from being a fundamental flaw that makes anything in FGO completely irrelevant
It's more relevant than anything else so far and if you don't accept that you are entering the territory of fanfiction.
Do you wish to continue?
If you count Issei and Kirei you can also count the Aozaki sisters and Taiga, but these guys barely matter.
On the other had, pretty much every opponent that's not Shinji and their servant is new
She's literally the only reason I'm interested in FGO, will it ever release in english? Or did the hack stop working on it
90% the same character
Hinted to be the same character
Adding new backstories does not mean anything if you are just copying and pasting old characters into a new setting. They are dressed the same, look the same, act the same - THEY ARE THE SAME.
FGO is basically non-canon and any of its major plot points will continue to be ignored by anything that isn't more waifubait bullshit (such as Extella), other than cameos or brief appearances by characters like the Director, and the few new Servants that were actually kind of cool.
Everything else is just a money grabbing trap that you fell into that will never be relevant outside of this shitty mobile game. I'm not sorry you wasted your life on that garbage, anon.
>Adding new backstories does not mean anything if you are just copying and pasting old characters into a new setting. They are dressed the same, look the same, act the same - THEY ARE THE SAME.
Sakura (Extra) doesn't behave anything like Sakura (Stay Night) (except insofar as being demure supportive girls, they're still quite different), and Shinji (Extra) is pretty different too when you see more of him in CCC. He barely has any time in Extra before dying so you don't really get to pick up on his differences.
Issei, Kirei, and Shiki are all irrelevant. Archer and Lancer are meant to be the same characters, they're continuing their plotlines more than anything else. And Arc is a howling berserker for 99% of her screentime so who cares.
I'm there for what you said and also the character interactions.
Personally, I want an anime for the entire thing rather than a game. Or a slice of life with a gigantic amount of the new servants in Chaldea just messing around. That's all I want.
Of course he wants you to play his crappy mobile game, he needs to buy the next Dark Souls 3 DLC.
Prisma Illya is canon too, you know. You won't see its main plot referenced much outside of its own story though.
I am starting to think the GO hater fell for the gacha and is now pissed they couldn't roll what they wanted and now have to try and justify their hate.
And it's mentioned with Fate/Extella lore there were multiple phases.
>Turns out that the end of the Age of Gods did not happen suddenly, but was actually a gradual process - which is generally divided into “deterioration” “dissolution” and “opportunity”;
>“Deterioration” refers to the period of decline of the mythological civilizations that began after a great calamity took place around 14.000 BC;
>“Dissolution” is the time around 2.600 BC (Gilgamesh’s era), when the relationship between humankind and the gods broke up in a definite manner. Seems that the laws of the world began to change around here;
>“Opportunity” dates in the vicinity of the 7th century BC, and points the occasion when the gods actually began to disappear from the face of the Earth;
>With the closure of the Age of Gods, the Mana (great source; the magic energy that fill the atmosphere) not only greatly decreased, but it also underwent a change in properties. The Mana of A.D. era is an artificial product called Ether, also known as 5th Imaginary Element. Meanwhile, the Mana of the B.C. era is the True Ether... aka. 5th True Theoretical Element (the thing Black Barrel from Notes is made from);
>The reason why such change occurred is not mentioned, but it has been hinted to be somewhat connected with the British Isles;
And characters in FGO confirm A Giant of Desteuction existed 14000 years ago and In Uruk most Gods have to use human vessels because they can't physically exist anymore.
Only a monster, a Beast, and one who was the product of ayy lmao bacteria in humans properly manifested.
Just like CCC confirmed Tamamo will one day be a Beast.
If Vortigen had succeeded everything Solomon did would have been fucked, and Nasu always has to bring in the holy sword or Britain somehow. Just like Garden of Avalon confirmed Lancelot was a shit who can't take responsibility.
Because Magical Girl Lyrical Homunculus™ adds little to the worldbuilding and thus will affect other portions of the series very little outside of random cameos.
This is starkly different from GO which adds more building than any entry since Tsukihime.
It's "canon", of course.
It's also the worst thing ever put out by Type-Moon and would be better off left rotting. The sooner it happens, the better.
Irrelevant worldbuilding that will never be referenced again outside of shit like Extella.
Yes but she is "receptive" to visitors from foreign countries if you catch my drift
>Meanwhile, the Mana of the B.C. era is the True Ether... aka. 5th True Theoretical Element (the thing Black Barrel from Notes is made from);
Where is this cited? The JP wiki says true ether was the Grain of Notes, Black Barrel was its opposite and anti-ether.
I wonder how many people criticizing FGO or Extella have actually played them. All the arguments seem to come from people who just get summaries and then act like they know what they're talking about. I've never read Apocrypha but I can tell you that it's shit after Vol 2 because of Sieg
Whether that's true or not I don't know, but it's been repeated enough so that's what I believe. These arguments in the thread feel that way, nice little lines you can spout without actually having to back up what you're saying.
>a FUCKING GAME OF THRONES reference
Holy shit I'm dying. /fgog/ retards will still deny they're literally. Reddit.
End your miserable existence.
FGO only dumbass. Irrelevant to any decent Type-Moon works.
Except you retard Vortigen tried to bring back the age of Gods.
The Giant of Destruction was stated by the Lion King herself to exist to her own troops and her own men mistook a giant illusion of Nitocris for her. Not to mention numerous divine spirits weary of Altera because they know what she really is.
And in Babylon where they outright state the gods can no longer properly manifest and Ishtara priestesses have to use human vessels worthy of her and Ereshkigal.
You've got this weird inability to accept That Nasu's can't let go of his more shitty worldbiluding. I have accepted it's true even though IT'S Fucking Shit!
I played through GO, read the translations.
I follow the translations for Extella in Beast's Lair and Spacebattles although I didn't bother playing it.
Played through Extra, didn't bother with CCC afterwards because I hated it.
Read the Tsukihime and F/SN VNs and the Apocrypha LN.
So yes, I am a true Nasufag to the best extent a non-Japanese speaker can be. Whether that qualifies me to say these things is up to you, but what I am saying is certainly not WRONG.
You kidding? The Tsukihime remake will probably have stuff like Arcueid making oblique references to Solomon or Camelot.
But I've fallen for your bait, haven't I? You're just going to asset "the Tsukihime remake won't be a decent work" and then "there will never be a decent type-moon work again".
I've played Nero's route so far. Her, the retard alien, and the fox made me want to gouge out my eyes.
I like the gameplay though. I've always had a weakness for Musou gameplay.
All ridiculous worldbuilding that will never be brought up again outside of that shitfest.
No, Tsukihime has the potential to be TM's first good non-animated work in a while, but certainly not if Nasu decides to shit it up with stuff from a mobile game.
That'd be like Square Enix putting references to the extended Final Fantasy VII universe in the remake, or Disney not completely ignoring most prequelshit in the new Star Wars movies.
Basically it could happen but I'm confident they're better than that. If it happens I'll just have to recognize that FGO was TM's last huge mistake that ended up breaking them for good.
>If it happens I'll just have to recognize that FGO was TM's last huge mistake that ended up breaking them for good.
They're doing better than they ever have. This type of worldbuilding is what fans have been asking for since a decade ago. Don't let your conceit blind you.
The Shitfest FGO because it's now out and so Nasu can have Velber-01 and 03 attack in 2. Hell Velber might even make a Velber-04.
Also Vortigen actions were in Garden of Avalon.
>That'd be like Square Enix putting references to the extended Final Fantasy VII universe in the remake
They're undoubtedly going to, you know. At the very least Dirge of Cerberus is going to be referenced with Lucrecia's storyline and Vincent as Chaos, and Zack's last stand is going to be the Crisis Core version.
Making money from waifufags does not equal good writing.
Oh, does your dad work at Type-Moon? Give us the inside scoop then.
Lucrecia was part of the original, Zack stuff from CC is fine because those are just mostly slight improvements. What matters is that most shitty new characters and lore are ignored, and the whole point of the remake is appealing to nostalgiafags who know nothing about that stuff.
I liked Fate more when it was just simpler times of calling Sakura wormslut, jerking off to Kotomine and Ilya
and Saber's blowjob scene, but don't tell anyone you said that, they might think you're gayand just taking in the oldschool Nasu-shit, with all of the mollusks that came with it.
Hopefully /a/ will get its shit together once the HF movies hit, I certainly know I'll be watching with my dick in my hands.
I don't care if it does better commercially, as long as it can be an actual solidly well written and respectable product it'll make me 1000 times happier than any FGO garbage.
That dumb retcon changes nothing about Tsuki's self-contained story.
>Lucrecia was part of the original, Zack stuff from CC is fine because those are just mostly slight improvements. What matters is that most shitty new characters and lore are ignored
You misunderstand, I mean Lucrecia's new lore is definitely going to be inserted. Chaos will be the planet's harbinger instead of some meaningless gameplay feature, Vincent will have terra corrupt within him, etc.
Simply because it would be better to have the lore than have no lore (and Chaos had no lore in VII original), as it gives the creators something to spice the scenes up with.
I doubt they'll do more than that, except maybe easter egg references to Deepground or Project G stashed here or there, but who knows. I could see a surprise Genesis superboss happening. Square-Enix is beholden to nobody.
And similarly Nasu's beholden to nobody. Grand Order was a tremendous success, there's no reason for him to not continue with this path.
>Strike Frontier manages to have h-cgs released every now and then to capitalize on Muv Luv's potential to spill nerd semen
>Grand Order is entirely sfw despite obvious fapbaits like pic rel
For what fucking purpose, you slanty-eyed gooks.
>His compatibility with large-spender Rin was the greatest, but that was the secret just between you and me.
fuck that, this is straight hypocrisy
either go full h or don't go at all
>ever getting finished
Sadly, Sony does not allow R-18 content in its products. Grand Order is made by Delightworks which is licensed by Aniplex which is owned by Sony Music Entertainment Japan Inc., a branch of Sony Corporation.
Because it's popular. It's the same on every other board. Doesn't matter what it is, if it becomes sufficiently popular, they'll hate it.
It's sort of the teenage mentality in trying to stand out and be different.
>what if we took a serious VN
>then, what if we took some random, unimportant side character...
>and then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians
a complete insult to the Fate franchise.
I didn't even say I liked it. Your attitude is fucking shit though. What is acting like a child going to accomplish? What's the end goal of this tantrum?
Do you actually plan to throw a shit fit every single time someone mentions FGO?
all of that is beside the point, this is not abot quality
FGO is very popular, when (if) Nasu will write something else fate related you can be sure he will have it follow rules introduced in FGO
assuming he does write something else, instead of just writing more FGO
if it makes you feel better, Tsukihime is a separate universe that is unrelated to Fate
Was referring to /fgog/.
I'm free to reply to whoever I want, sorry if it bothers you but someone needs to let the retards know.
Basically whenever I'm browsing /a/, yes.
>being this desperate
Sakura is literally the goddess of marital devotion. She's as pure as it gets.
Right, but claiming that FGO will definitely be relevant in the future when we don't know it for a fact is still encouraging people to get into it, which should be called out.
I'd definitely rather Tsukihime not be influenced by it, but I'm more of a Fatefag so any future entries where GO might play a big role obviously bother me too.
If she ends up liking Shirou, then she's a filthy slut that caused a pure goddess to cheat on her husband.
Is she stays loyal to Shiva, then Shirou got cucked.
There's no winning move for her.
If it's like 2 hours per movie like KnK 5 and 7 then it should be fine, 2nd might be a tad rushed.
Otherwise RIP, but I think they'll put effort into it.
>literally contains the Church and Mage's Association
>ongoing Melty Blood manga that references other parts of the Nasuverse
Do you understand that I'm talking about the overarching Nasuverse multiverse and not just specifically Fateverse?
Why would Beast IV say that he's called Primate Murder in other worlds if Fateverse isn't in the same multiverse as Tsukihime? Why then wouldn't he just be the fourth Beast in all of them?
>Arc doesn't exist in any Fate timeline
Arc is LITERALLY in Fate/Extra you numbskull.
Arc is a True Ancestor, not a Dead Apostle Ancestor.
>she can only crossover from Tsukhime's universe
Arc does not have the second sorcery.
Nasu literally wrote in Koha-Ace that funny Vamp doesn't exist in Fate
>European Dead Apostle War Theater (Advance Notice Lie)
>A story where the True Ancestor curb stomps Okita and Nobu.
>Eh? Worlds from Fate don't have the Twenty-Seven Ancestors or the happy-go-luck vampire princess? Nevermind then!
Do you realize that referencing Primate Murder by name would be impossible in GO if they didn't exist in the same multiverse? DAAs might not exist in the universe wherein GO takes place, but they may still exist within the same multiverse.
because in FGO it turns out God (Solomon really) made the multiverse follow the anthropic principle, which fucks over DAAs
not sure how PM keeping his pre-retcon name should mean anything, Gaia is also still called Gaia
Arc appearing in Fate/Extra got retcon in Nasu's blog. Arc never canonically appears despite what the game has he did just for the fun of it. Only Touko and Aoko are canon because of the movie pamphlet
But he approves the material that is written
Type Moon 10th Anniversary Q&A
>Q: Is there any relationship between the Moon Cell and the Crimson Moon? Does the Moon Cell exist in universes outside of EXTRA?
>A: Moon cell is something that is only in EXTRA, and it does not have anything to do with the Crimson Moon. However, in the world of EXTRA, the "Brain of the Planet" (Archetype Earth's title) who is equivalent to the Crimson Moon should still be living somewhere.
Arc is in Fate/Extra's world.
Ok, but you still have't really answered my question. Why would Nasu bother bringing it up? It's not like he says "this is another name of mine" he says "in other worlds I'm called PM".
he also said F/Extra was going to be the last time he wrote Fate
he also said FGO was going to be what he truly wanted fate to be, before putting the filler filled plot into a mobage and having other people write the first part
he's not exactly trustworthy
This canon debate is shit.
Lets talk about who has the best tits.
it's slighly more trustworthy due to the sheer popularity of the thing, he also messed with people writing spin offs due to FGO plot.
it might not be the "core" or whatever, but it's likely FGO is going to influence future Fate works
See, I don't think he was a hack in the old stuff though. He just became a lazy fuck who's on the process of destroying everything cool about the Nasuverse.
I still can't completely hate him because of how much I enjoy the anime TM stuff gets. And I wanna believe he can make Tsukihime great again.
>destroying everything cool about the Nasuverse
People are so fucking hysterical over F/GO but literally what has become worse or been ""destroyed""
Apparently some mythological figures are actually slutty girls who gives a shit.
>If Vortigen had succeeded everything Solomon did would have been fucked
He only wanted to restore the Age of Gods in Britain. Don't delude yourself what he did was important. He wasn't even defeated by the holy sword but the holy spear. It just reinforced what was happening. Secondly, this speaks of the Age of Gods, the Age of Men and the Human Order are explicitly *Solomon's legacy*. This is official and canon. Sure, it also fucked the gods for good, nonetheless, the age of dragons could have arisen instead of the age of men. The Age of Men existed because Solomon gave men the tools to control the world and bend it to their will. Sorcery, Magecraft and finally Science.
And you should try to stop copy pasting Boy's Love secondhanded summaries to understand what happened. The Age of Gods declined in three stages: Sefar arrival (deterioration), Gilgamesh's rebellion (dissolution), Solomon's rule (opportunity). With Artoria making a point in Britain later. However the Age of Men arose in two opportunities: Magecraft (Solomon's first death - Mystery Rationalized by Men) and Science (Solomon's second death - Common Sense of Men).
>earns Nasu 10x the amount of money as the other entries
Through underhanded and illegitimate business practices.
Mobage developers are the scum of the earth and the entire model should've been outlawed from the start.
>all these whiners crying over muh mobage or musou game are shit formats and Nasu sold himself for cash
He transformed his original story to fit a fucking eroge VN for sweaty neckbeards, genderswapping King Arthur into a fucking gluttonous stuffed toys loving moeblob. He always changed his story to pander, retards. Or FSN as you know it wouldn't exist. Don't pretend eroge VNs were a high literature format for fuck's sake.
Sion appears in Extra world in MB manga. Because Atlas summons her. She's from another world, and explicitly Arc is also a foreigner to Extra. Nasu forced the poor mangaka change the plot of his manga to make it a FGO spin-off.
It seems that in Fate worlds, Sion dies at birth, and is her younger twin sister who survives.
>Arc does not have the second sorcery.
Nor does Ryougi but she shows up to crossover anyway in Extra, Melty Blood and FGO. Because it's FANSERVICE. It's the same as Arc.
> I didn't bother playing it.
>didn't bother with CCC afterwards because I hated it.
The fanbase is mainly composed of normalfag redditors with low powerlevels. You make tons of threads for absolutely no reason. Your threads are dog shit and uninteresting. The VN is average at best and Nasu is an awful writer nowadays. I wish liking fateshit was bannable offense honestly.
She died after she sent Rani to the Moon. It's in Extra material. So Rani is her 'child'. And her sister, Sion, explicitly died at birth according to her profile in Extra material. Stop trying to headcanon bullshit.
Chaos Tide is related to Imaginary Numbers. Tiamat and Sakura are even dressed in a similar shadowy pattern.
Tiamat is the ultimate Sakura, the ultimate symbol of feminity and apparently Goetia of masculinity. Fou of animals, I guess.
>tfw you like most Fate spinoffs and multiverses except GO itself.
My main issue with it is the design of most servants not designed by Takeuchi. Some of them look completely ridiculous and not in a funny way. Did they really need to use so many different artstyles for them? We even have a couple of them that look like reject Danganronpa characters, like Cleopatra.
>The fanbase is mainly composed of normalfag redditors with low powerlevels
Source? How did you reach this conclusion from an anonymous imageboard?
>You make tons of threads for absolutely no reason
The last time there were "tons of threads" was the day HF/Extra CMs were released and Apocrypha's anime adaptation was announced.
>Your threads are dog shit and uninteresting
>The VN is average at best
>Nasu is an awful writer nowadays
Because his new works are untranslated and you can't read them?
>I wish liking fateshit was bannable offense honestly.
I wish making sweeping declarative statements without backing any of them up was a bannable offense
>Sialim Eltnam Re-Atlasia
>Rani's teacher. The last alchemist and the one who created Rani. After sending Rani to the moon, she succumbed to a disease.
>As an Atlasian alchemist she was devoted only to her own research, but in the end as a human being, she birthed Rani and fell into eternal slumber.
>Why she ordered Rani to go to the moon was to see whether it was possible for not just alchemists but for humanity to continue existing in the cyber world, which would mean having to give up their physical bodies.
>Unlike other magi, the Atlasian alchemists do not have the objective of evolving into a higher state of existence. The top priority of Atlas is to avoid the future of destruction. Essentially, this means that it's okay for humanity to change or decline as a species if it means surviving, and she stuck to that thinking.
>As one manifestation of that side of her, she also left Rani with the cold order of incinerating the Moon Cell along with herself if it proved to be a monster that couldn't be controlled.
>In EXTRA, Rani might have referred to her as a gheh, but, sorry, just forget that happened.
>Also, there might have been something about Sialim having a twin elder sister who died at birth.
Sion dies at birth. In Tsukihime, is Sion who survives (and it's Siamlin and Zepia who are mentioned in FGO as leaders of ATLAS) so it's safe to assume Sion is Tsukihime-setting only when she may become Dust of Osiris while her sister is on the "human order" thing big.
>My main issue with it is the design of most servants not designed by Takeuchi.
Because they weren't very important. The Servants designed by Takeuchi were the only relevant ones in the end: Namely Mashu and Solomon.
I'd ask then why have so many filler characters at all. It seems most servants have been created just because they can, and not because of potential plot hooks for future series or GO events themselves.
Not important to FGO's main story but they're still adding shitty content to the Nasuverse as a whole, and that just reflects badly because FGO's garbage business model is the reason there are so many unecessary stupid/fanservice Servants in the first place.
>Just unlocked Saber.
>Her circuits suck, only two connect.
>Her moveset is subpar.
>Her stats are nothing exceptional.
At least the method to unlock her is really funny.
You literally bait her out using food.
FHA was the same, it had more collab of writers than artist though. Because he wants to get more people to work for him and to make them do their Servant concepts, but at the end of the day, the main Servants were Shielder and Caster Solomon. Even the big bad (Goetia) final form as the King of Humans had a Takeuchi design. It just showed Takeuchi has the final say on art concept of who was truly important in FGO.
Something about hierarchy.
I'm just saying that because the way the Lahmu were it and vice-versa made me think of Nrvnqsr and his beasts coming out of him and going back in him as goo.
Where did this mary sue bitch come from and why is she so goddamn important?
Remember that is old Tsukihime. It might be retconned now until we see the remake. I doubt Nasu was even thinking on Tiamat. Tiamat was on the 'ocean of imaginary numbers' and she's explicitly the ultimate form of Sakura. I wonder if that means Goetia is the ultimate form of Shirou.
Goetia wants to save everyone from death. And he engages on a literally futile fist fight in the end because he can, just like Shirou in HF. Though you're right, Shirou is more like Solomon, but Goetia as King of Humans is on his body.
She's also the one who created life in the beginning, as in the primordial soup. I don't think Nasu had planned for this from the beginning or something that would be ridiculous. It's just that when you look at some of his old stuff you can see him hinting at stuff he later expands on.
It's not like the theory is so far-fetched. From the little we've scene, Sea of Genesis may have corrupted the animals and phantasmal species the same way grail mud corrupts servants.
Nasu definitely plans things ahead of time its just sometimes its so crazy people ignore it. Fou being PM was mentioned back in the KnK event by Mephisto but everyone ignored it.
I literally applauded your post. As much as i like Type Moon im just fucking done with fate and all its milking already. I lost interest and officially gave up on the franchise around Extra CCC. The problem with the fanbase is but a consequence of the cancer of Type Moon itself.
A lot in FGO is using outline and concepts that he did plan in the beginning (as in Fate/Prototype, this includes PM or Beast of Revelations/Beast IV which was ORIGINALLY a Fate character), but he changed shit when he wrote Tsukihime and other works. He said he was returning to the original outline now. That's also why it's so heavily Abrahamic religion-leaning too: proto was basically built up on the belief there was a Creator of all things (the God) like most urban fantasy, which has a lot of legends but there's still one God.
He means the scene he reacts to Fou when he sees it. He recognizes him because Mephisto was basically working for Goetia there.
That's when Nasu already knew the story he was writing. Gilgamesh oddly addressed Roman as the Magician in his first interlude when Roman doesn't have magic circuits, corrects himself and says "Oh no, you called yourself a Doctor? Very well, I shall address you as physician, then." He also oddly accepted Roman's authority and orders but didn't trust (you) or Mashu, so he tested you. Odd because other servants bullied Roman while Gilgamesh respected him from the start, even in his Archer self.
It always amuse me how bait threads and fate/hate threads turns into a TypeMoon general discussion.
>Literally dies in all routes and is unable to be free from her shitty existence.
m8 I think you meant Nero. Altera actually had the best route in Extella by far. Best chemistry with MC and the best character development of the 3 main girls. Not to mentioned it awakened my giantess fetish I didn't even think I had.
Too bad she turns into a loli in the true end. Although I suppose that has its own appeal.
If anything, they fucked up Nero in Extella. She got the complete spotlight and they made her into a complete Mary Sue by the end of the game.
Literally turning into an aspect of Venus and magically killing Umbral Star shard + turning Titan Altera into a loli....somehow.
We need a prequel covering Chaldea first years.
OP is just being an ebin memester so I'm going take this opportunity to post mai waifu
Why everyone in Strange/Fake is fucking OP?
>Fake Archer - Gilgamesh the Adventurer King
>Fake Lancer - Enkidu the Doll of God
>Fake Caster - Dumas, who can somehow spawn legends like he's Homer or something
>Fake Rider - The Pale Rider
>Fake Assassin - Zealot aka that one assassin who's good at literally everything
>Fake Berserker - Jack the Ripper who's a better assassin at this point than anyone but Spooky Hassan
>Saber - Richard the Lionheart who can turn anything into Excalibur
>True Archer - Alcides who was summoned as Archer Heracles
>True Rider - Hippolyta who might be legitimately shit in every way
>True Assassin - Spooky Hassan
>True Berserker - Probably Edison
>Watcher - Some abomination that has turned into Asclepius, Orion and Icarus and other people it has killed. Hinted to be the embodiment of Gaia
That was the appeal of the original April Fool's from the start, left people wondering how a HGW with such an OP cast could even possibly go.
That was before the True Servants and Watcher were introduced.
To add, now Nasu went full retard with the main antagonist and Merlin in FGO's plot, which retroactively hurts a lot of the plots of previous installments, especially the feeling that FSF's cast is OP.
Which were inserted in a Christian-like heavy theme. Solomon is now functioning as magical science Jesus in Fate, probably because Nasu can't really have Jesus to avoid controversy. The Nazi outfit on Gil was bad enough.
Though it may be because he pulls this shit from Kabbalah.
Some localization companies have tried to bring the VNs to the West, Nasu showed them the door. There was also the one incident with Melty Blood in EVO where Nasu ordered a take down so MB can't be streamed. Extella and Extra and that one fighting game got a pass because they were published by a third party.
How did he powercreep? They were always big deals. IIRC, David conceptual maker wanted to make Solomon first in Apoc Prototype (designed as a social game like FGO, so you can think of it as basis) was forbidden to make Solomon as he wanted by Nasu because he had worldbuilding plans for him.
>Which were inserted in a Christian-like heavy theme.
Roman called Solomon a "Heroic Spirits chosen by the Root" though. It's not like it doesn't have its "magically-secular" equivalent.
Basically it's unecessary to use such ridiculously powerful beings to tell a good story, much less waste such a huge scale conflict on a mobile game where half the story is shit.
Something like this could be extremely well written as a climax to the whole series, but instead Nasu went full retard and threw every Servant there ever was into it for waifu milking and took their power levels to a stupid degree (as in, beyond True Magic, which all of a sudden is not a big deal because actual miracles happened all the time like 3000 years ago).