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Nazi's as the good guys

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Okay seriously, how the fuck did Jojo get away with making the nazi's the good guys? Not only are they the good guys, but Von Stoheim even gets an honerable death. I'm not complaining or anything, but I can't believe that they didn't get any backlash for this. Part 2 was like /pol/'s wet dream. The only way it could have gotten more /pol/ was if Hitler came in a tank and blasted Kars to space himself.
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I smell jew.
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>>152480555
I have no idea. I mean call it japanese sympathy but the Germans weren't shown a 100% good but still at the end of the day we had Nazis fighting along side our good guys by the end of the arc and I loved every minute of it.
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>>152480555
People wear Che shirts too. Why the double standard OP?
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>>152481225

This, it was nice to Von Stoheim sacrifice himself to stop Santama in his first appearence and actually be a reliable ally despite viewer expectation
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>>152480555
But Nazi's were the good guys in real life Anon.
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>/pol/
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>>152480555
"Not all people fighting for the bad guys are bad people" is not a difficult concept to grasp
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>>152481566
This. Threads like these, and how often we get them really drive home how many of you people are actually, factually autistic.
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1. Nazis are evil.
2. However, even they have limits.
3. Pillar Men are super evil.
4. Kars wants to break limits.
5. Nazis want to stop super evil.
6. Nazis side with British man to prevent super evil.

It's not that hard of a trope to understand. It's a matter of escalation, the Pillar Men are so powerful that the Nazis recognize their strength as something that could affect humanity. Sure, they had plans for utilizing their power for their own purposes, but those were quickly dashed.
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>>152481412
Its easy to forget that most of the germans in the nazi army were just normal guys and Jojo's really just reinforces that. And the fact that the arc takes place in the 30s before the nazis really get into the genocide aspects helps reinforce this notion as well. The Germans had plenty honor but it was masked by the events of world war II and the choices of their superiors at the end of the day.
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>>152480555
>how the fuck did Jojo get away with making the nazi's the good guys?
You cant make someone the good guys when they already were / are.
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>>152481631
You're implying OP doesn't already know this and is baiting for people to talk about how awesome the nazis were.

Oldest trick in the book.
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>>152482712
Stroheim's introduction is literally him murdering a villageful of innocent people for their blood and 'rewarding' a brave boy who tried to sacrifice himself for them by killing them all instead of him. And his actions in Switzerland nearly led to the Pillar Men obtaining the Red Stone early, if it wasn't for Joseph then Ultimate Kars would've happened then and there and killed everybody he pleased. He was presented as an ally with nobility, but also a scumbag.

>>152481992
Not at all, the Pillar Men didn't give a shit about 99% of humanity. Wamuu ate some Nazis after they provoked him, Kars killed a couple of guys about to run over a dog and ACDC killed Loggins, but that was pretty much it. Note that they're the ONLY villains other than Kira who are never shown to mass-kill civilians - Dio killed tons of villagers and later a bunch of people in Cairo, Diavolo got half of Rome killed with Green Day, Pucci killed tons with C-Moon, and Valentine wiped out miles of land with people on it with Love Train.

Wamuu said he only cared about fighting and not ruling, Kars just wanted to be perfect, and ACDC was just along for the ride.
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>>152480555
First of all you're a faggot and damn near 30 years late to the party, probably an animeonlyfag too so fuck a cactus with your ass for that as well, if that is indeed the case.
As for the "Nazi's", history's most widely recognized group of pure hateful evil given human shape being the "good guys", wouldn't it be shocking to imagine some of them might have been human beings with lives and goals and beliefs of their own outside of drinking Jew blood from elaborate mugs crafted from their bleached skulls? Inconceivable, I know. Especially one in charge of a branch conducting top secret experiments in Mexico specifically to examine and subdue the Pillar Men who were threatening to dominate the planet, you know, the ones Joseph were fighting? Man, it sure is hard to follow just how the Nazis somehow managed to be twisted into the "good guys" on this one, truly this has been a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
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>>152480555
The Japanese allied with the Germans, so it's not so unreasonable to have a show where that "historically we were on the same side" angle might result in a different outlook, esp combined with the attitude that even though the commanders may have terrible motives individual soldiers in their troops may still be decent people. Also the "Nazis are inhuman monsters and the ultimate evil, every single one of them" angle is really, really cliche by now
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>>152480555
Remember which country this show is from and their alliance in WWII
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>>152483693
>the Pillar Men who were threatening to dominate the planet
Kars was just a hippie who was really into his experimental self-improvement thing. Him and the others stone cold did not give a shit about what humans in general did.
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How the fuck did the germans even manage to smuggle their soldiers into mexico anyways? You'd think America would have better security than that
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>>152484040
There were german soldiers investigating mexican pyramids irl, fyi
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>>152483534
I mentioned that here >>152481225
Yeah the germans still were shown to have ill-intentions but yeah pretty much all that melts away when each side realized how dangerous Kars was.
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>>152482871
Heaven forbid that bait or trolling attempts actually breeds real discussion on something you deem trivial. Don't post in the thread if you are that pissed off about it.
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>JoJo thread 404s because of porn-dumping
Should we use this one, or will some retard make a new one even though there's this and a Joseph one up already
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>>152480555
Because it was written in the 80s and set before the war began when everyone the world over thought Hitler was awesome and the Nazis a positive force for change in post-war Germany. Part of the joke is how Joseph sings his praises but we as readers know what happens just a few short years later. Araki is a pretty left wing guy but he's not an oblivious idiot so he's not going to make every Nazi appear comically evil for no reason.
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>>152485247
This thread doesn't have "Jojo" in the title
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>>152485319
No, but it shows up in the catalog if you search for 'jojo'.
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>>152480555
Jew
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>>152483534
kars killed his people which most likely included women and children
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>>152485623
Pillar-women were most likely just as fierce as the men, and the anime showed him and ACDC being attacked by them as well as guys. They weren't helpless and cowering.
And the Pillar-Men also had an extremely low birth and death-rate, as is appropriate for any long-living species that isn't increasing. Santana and Wamuu were the only kids, and Kars and ACDC took and raised them.
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>>152480555
>the story told by the winner's point of view should be the only speakable truth
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>>152484033
That doesn't count for anything when the whole point of locating Aja (amazing album by the way) in the first place was to become the ultimate perfect beings to subjugate the human race as Cars had planned, and the fact that they literally genocided the fuck out of their own race and went several thousand years out of their way just to make it happen. Even if AC/DC was a lovably eccentric asshole and Wham was a badass honorable warrior, you can't deny they were still evil as fuck and their methods were flat out brutal.
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>the "Nazis are inhuman monsters and the ultimate evil, every single one of them" angle is really, really cliche by now
And yet Araki was doing it in the fucking 80's. Crazy sumbitch was way ahead of his time in many ways.
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>>152483534
how did kars got his army of zombies including the horse zombie? he killed people
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>>152486240
>the whole point of locating Aja (amazing album by the way) in the first place was to become the ultimate perfect beings to subjugate the human race as Cars had planned
Absolutely not. Reread, Kars wanted to become the Ultimate being to improve himself and (above all) to be immune to sunlight. It literally never says he wanted to subjugate humanity ever, he didn't give a crap about humans to the extent of having casual but intimate conversations where he humbled himself to Wamuu in front of them, without even acting as though they were there.

And he genocided the fuck out of his own race in self-defense, there weren't many of them around in the first place and they sentenced him and ACDC to death, attacking them en-masse because they didn't like his stone masks.

If you want to bring up his genocidal tendencies then bring up the time he and the others tried to wipe out all hamon-users (including children) because they posed a threat to them. Humans in general and his own species were never his intended targets.
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>>152486481
There weren't any zombies in part 2 other than the one that ate George, Kars' army were all vampires. And Wired Beck said that they were recruits from a prison who were understandably grateful about being freed and given superhuman abilities, not random civilians who were dragged into it against their will.
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>>152485217
>pointing out a shitposter means I'm mad as fuck

Just come out and admit you love sucking nazi dick so you seem just a little bit less desperate.
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>>152486499
Really. I will admit it's been a while, are you sure there was no plan to dominate the earth? I could've sworn that was mentioned at one point. And while I did like the Pillar Men's dynamic with eachother in the earlier chapters, it became quite clear by the end that his allies weren't as important to him as the stone. What do you figure he would've done if he succeeded? Just fly around somewhere being perfect where no one would bother him? I feel like there's got to be more to it than that.
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>>152486775
Yeah, I'm pretty certain the Pillar Men never mentioned anything about using their power to dominate humanity, all Kars was focused on was reaching the ultimate summit of evolution. He never actually said what he wanted to do with his power, simply being immune to sunlight was originally his end-goal before he decided to kill Joseph.

It's the humans who talk about the threat of the Pillar Men and how they could end up upsetting the balance of life on Earth, not the Pillar Men themselves saying that this is any part of their plan. It's understandable that they'd be frightened - humans are the natural prey of the Pillars, after all - but all they could really do was expect the worst.

Kars' ambitions were kind of like bodybuilding, as in he wanted the perfect body. Given how ruthless he was in acquiring said perfect body it'd be understandable of people to think he wanted it so he could beat people up, but really it was simply having it that he was after.
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>>152480555

All memes aside, I REALLY think people should just come out and admit that Nazis were super cool.

Like, get the fuck over it already. They killed a bunch of people, who the fuck hasn't? Every country's dirt is made of 50% old skeletons.
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I'm literally shaking right now.
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>>152480555
>Okay seriously, how the fuck did Jojo get away with making the nazi's the good guys?
The Japanese were allied with the Nazis.
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I doesn't matter who was right anymore.
One side absolutely got wrecked, good or bad.
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