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Why haven't you learned to draw yet anons?

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Why haven't you learned to draw yet anons?
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>>152474410
Creating disfigured blobs that stare into your soul isn't a good motivator.
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Painting is the problem.
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>>152474589
this
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>>152474410
Because I suck at it.
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>>152474648
this
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>>152474410
because I'm lazy
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>>152474713
this
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>>152474742
>>152474671
>>152474601
samefag proxy/ip poster
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>>152474410
Because if you don't study anatomy and other technical media skills and just try to draw le anime grill your art is going to look like ass.
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>>152474476
>>152474476
found the newfag/normalfag
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>>152474410
I have ham hands
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why does step 3 look better than 4? 4 is generic and boring in comparison and adds nothing significant
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>>152474476
>implying 3d grills arent soulless
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>>152474410
can you recommend a good tablet to buy for someone who has 0 drawing experience?

the thought of making lewd art that anons will fap to is making me want to start learning
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>>152474857
>>152474794
I was talking about drawing disfigured 2d. Drawing 3d girls is a waste of time.
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>>152474916
just buy the cheapest wacom tablet line available (and an extra nib package if you're serious about it)
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>>152474968
ok. thought you were bashing all of 2D and basically I'm a huge faggot. have a good day, sir.
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>>152474589
sadly this. drawing is fine though.
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>>152474410
Do artists masturbate to their own drawings? If so, do artists resist the urge to masturbate while drawing?
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>>152474410
I'm working on it 2 hours every day
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It's not worth all the effort to get good.
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>>152475114
>Do artists masturbate to their own drawings?
No, but I do get a boner if I draw something lewd.
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>>152474410
Gave up just like everything else.
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>>152474589
You say that but probably can't draw for shit.
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>>152474830
Maybe if you want to stay at the level of guy that can only do chickenscratch lineart and never anything else.
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>>152474830
Step 4 is finished. If you prefer it to look less "clean" or prefer a different style of shading that's up to you, but leaving it at 3 would be lazy.
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>>152474410
I'm learning to, it looks like shit for now and probably will for a few months more.
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>>152475232
>a few months more.
>months
anon
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>>152475214
this is the same line of thinking as retards that believe buying overpriced premium quality pencils and paper will make them draw better

having higher quality media only matters when you're already professional level and even then it's just trivial quality of life preference
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>>152474830
I think it's because of the line widths/shading around mouth/nose. If you merge them it looks a bit better.
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>>152475308
Where in his post did he mention the media?
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Who made this book and where can I find more
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>>152474410
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Way ahead of you. This is my OC, Tomoko-chan. I chose not to color her in because I hate manga with color pages.
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>>152474410
I literally can't draw for shit. If there' a disability for it I'm sure I have it.
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>>152475114
I do get a hard on from my own drawings but feel a bit of guilty when i share the drawing to other people.
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>>152475642
Lack of autism
Please apply yourself anon-san
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>>152475700
Meant for
>>152475462
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>>152474410
I'm working on it, give me a few months and I'll be a drawfag.
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>>152475114
I draw cute girls only for masturbating purposes.
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I don't believe I will ever have the discipline to get good at it so why bother. Also the early stage when you know exactly what's wrong with your drawing but are too unskilled to fix it is frustrating as hell.
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>>152474410
I do. But not this generic anatomy simplification. If people really draw then they will know this is not the proper way to learn how to draw, even anime-ish style. It just waste time.
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>>152476050
fuck off /ic/
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>>152474410
On my way. This year i'll wrap up the whole anatomy book that i bought and move on to studying the lewd parts and and some animals since beastiality and body modification are my biggest fetish.

I lose interest whenever i got past the sketching part though, inking is not so much fun so i just slap something to it for no reason. pic related.
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I'm almost 20
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>>152474410
>From sketch to completed lineart with colors, brush strokes, tones and shadows.

Nice tutorial
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>>152475114
My own drawings does nothing for me
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Teach me how to draw cute lolis
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>>152475114
Yes i do, i used not to though when i sucked, speed is the problem with most people i think, i used to take days to draw
a siple lewd pose properly, now i just shit something i want to masturbate to in a few hours and i do masturbate to it because
i haven't spend hours upon hours looking at it.
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>>152474410
Because I don't want to have to study 3DPD for 10 years to learn muh anatomy and muh expressions.
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>>152475431
Jesus fucking kek
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>>152476439
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>>152476543
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>>152475114
I do now. It took a while to git gud enough to where I could, though
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>>152476553
Shit tutorial.
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>>152476259
>on to studying the lewd parts and and some animals since beastiality and body modification are my biggest fetish.
God speed ;_;7

>I lose interest whenever i got past the sketching part though
Maybe try painting it instead? So that it still has value and color but the working process is still fast and loose? Maybe like: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=5518735
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>>152476543
>>152476622
All one page "tutorials" are shit, if someone who doesn't know proper fundamentals look at that page he will get nothing out of it, maybe he will copy it exactly and that's it.
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>>152476571
>someone spend money on this
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>>152474410
I knew how to draw once, but quit. Now each time I try I get discouraged because nothing turns out how I want.

I wish I hadn't let 3DPD in high school distract me.
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>>152476703
Someone published it, and it was sold in actual libraries.
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>>152474410
Too much effort.
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>>152474410
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>>152476708
The people who get good at drawing either like the act of drawing so they don't get discouraged from shit or plow through their shit drawings anyway because they know they'll get better if they just keep drawing

Please note that you'll always be shit if you never draw from real life, though.
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>>152474410
There was a course in my high school that taught you to draw in one school year. Basically they were given one thing to draw in class and one for homework. I remember my friend had a pad out during our lunch break drawing a box, a map of the country, etc for homework.

That was at the beginning of the year. By the end of the year he was drawing classic art in a different pose. It was spectacular. Everyone in the class started out with no experience beyond stick figures to making stuff that I thought would take a lifetime to master.

I've sadly not found a similar course. If someone released a similar lesson plan where you are given a series of more difficult drawings and were basically guaranteed to see progress, I'm sure a lot more of us would be drawing our waifus.
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>>152476742
>Someone looked that this and gave it the thumbs up
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>>152476259
How long did it take you to get this good?
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>>152476827
Every single tutorial
Glad I gave up after a while
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>>152476851
I used to enjoy it so much, and drawing came naturally to me every day. It's just so hard to stay motivated nowadays.

And yeah, I should actually try that. All I draw are husbandos and similar anime crap.
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>1. draw a circle
>2. draw the rest of the fucking face

cant be this hard, guys.
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>>152476622
holy thicc
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>>152477046
You will pick other stuff up by the time you can draw a proper circle. Seriously, fuck circles.
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Well.
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Faces I can draw alright, but it's those fucking poses.

Hell, why cant I do creative poses that do not look shit or like 19th century nobleman paintings?
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I'd say I'm decent.
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>>152476978
I'm roughly 4-5 years in now and just draw things whenever i like. If you're diligent to schedule yourself and really stick to what you want to accomplish (anatomy, perspective, etc.) and putting in all the hours with real hard work, you'll be able to get decent in less than 2 years.
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>>152477177
Have you tried taking some life drawing classes?
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>>152474992
spare nibs come hidden in pretty much all the wacom tablets now
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>>152476553
I used to think like this, but I realized that drawing along the lines of posing dolls is pretty shit, since all your drawings will look like posing dolls as well.
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>>152477108
>2 years of practice and still can't make a proper circle or draw a straight line most of the time
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>>152477307
I did, and I did decently, i guess.

But still, manga/animu poses and perspectives are more exaggerated than real life.

What looks good as real life drawing, looks shit as manga.
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>>152474410
Is that houtengeki? He put out a how to draw book?
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>>152477389
this seriously.

"clean line" is a art.
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>>152475114
I've never had the guts to do lewds.

JUST
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>>152477389
The secret is speed and muscle memory. The more careful you are, the wobblier your lines will be. Also, use your arm to draw, not your wrist.
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>>152474410
I have too many fetishes and would inevitably draw /d/ stuff and violate pure waifus of innocent anons. You don't want that to happen, do you?
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>>152476687
>God speed ;_;7
Thanks anon.
>Maybe try painting it instead?
I did, but still not good enough, i want to make sure to have good drawings before even moving to painting.
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>>152477493
Yes
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where do all the chill anime artists hang out now? do they all just fuck off and pretend to be japanese on pixiv/twitter?
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>>152477700
What do you mean, is there even a place for them to hang out before?
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>>152477290
Thanks for the info, man! You're really good!

Also, do tutorial books actually help? I've tried a few but the transition from "Do this very simple thing" to "Now try out all this other stuff" usually is lost on me. Anatomy and poses are way too complex.
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>>152474410
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>>152477759
there was a brief period when tumblr was chill before it became lol tumblr, and before that deviantart wasn't a wasteland. now i have no idea where english speaking anime artists hang out that isn't in little cliques on twitter or whatever.
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Do I have to learn to use a tablet to draw or can just use the good old pencil and just vector it with a proper program?
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>>152474410
I recently pirated the Erik Olson on perspective and now I'm very slowly trying to work my way through it.
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Why does line-art always look a lot shittier when digitized via vectoring or tracing or whatever?
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>>152477903
touchpad/10
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>>152474410
I'm working on it
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>>152477700
I never got into any "groups" because my art is not normalfag friendly, i used to post on /ic/ but now that tumblr is accepted there its filled with normalfags, i do pretend to be japanese on pixiv though.
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>>152474410
Right after I learn Japanese
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>>152475114
It's only really happened once to me. It's a commission I haven't been able to finish because I keep having to stop to jack off.
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>>152474410
Unfortunately I only draw if I find a certain character interesting/cute from a random show/game

I have shittaste though
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>>152477953
pretty much just cliques on twitter.
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>>152478095
Just finish drawing it on kenja time. Or do you need to be excited to draw it?
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>>152474410
I don't think it's worth it unless you really enjoy making art more than looking at it.
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Any tips for drawing chinese cartoon eyes? It's the one thing I simply have no idea how to do.
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>>152474410
But I do draw
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>>152478151
>twitter
Do they enjoy being poor or what? They should have patreon.
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>>152478152
I don't know why I didn't think of that, thanks anon.
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>>152477810
>Also, do tutorial books actually help?
It depends on the person, but for drawing figures in general, the /ic/ canons are still a recommendation(Vilppu Drawing Manual, Figure Drawing and Design by Michael Hampton, Creative Illustration by Loomis, Perspective Made Easy, etc.).

>I've tried a few but the transition from "Do this very simple thing" to "Now try out all this other stuff" usually is lost on me. Anatomy and poses are way too complex.
Draw slowly even it should take you 10-15 minutes just to capture the relationship between the body parts. Being able to do it fast and seamlessly is just a milestone from it.
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>>152477953
why would you want to hang out with English-speaking artists anyway? Stick to Nips and Gooks on twitter and you are golden. They have the best guides and references.
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>>152478213
Arms are too short, you suck fujo
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>>152476827
>Not posting the original one
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>>152478315
That's gay as fuck though. Why would I socialize with faggots?
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>>152478179
Just copy from a bunch of artists you like and over time you'll (or should) develop your own style.
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>>152474410
I tried, I'm just a quitter.
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>>152474410
That artstyle looks familiar.
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>>152478072
/ic/'s mostly shitposting these days.
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>>152478371
because they aren't as obnoxious as the English speaking artists
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>>152477700
IRC, Discord, private Google Hangout room.
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>>152476571
This is a printing error and was originally supposed to be grayscale.

I refuse to believe someone intentionally drew this.
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>>152477700
Should we just make one right now? idk a discord channel or something but i doubt that the quality could hold up in less than a week.
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>>152478445
>IRC, Discord
Which ones?

I need weeby art friends, anon
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>>152474410
I don't know where to start
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>>152478358
Thanks, mate. Couldn't find the original.
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Let's start right now!
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>>152478568
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
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>>152478420
Looks like Houtengeki.
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>>152478398
Looks cute
I have a thing for drills tho, so maybe it's just that
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>>152478568
Draw upside-down eggs, or make vaguely cute chibi blobs.
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>>152478660
I can't even do that, my art skill consist on stickmans at most
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I used to just doodle on paint but then I stopped for years and now I can't draw for shit
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>>152476553
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>>152478568
Perspective drawing.
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Is the animu flockmod that rori and some other fags used to hang out dead?
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I hope you like naive art.
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>>152478315
日本語を学びましたけど、やっぱり英語の方で楽に話せるから、英語で話す同人(アニメオタク系のイラストレーター達)と一緒に付き合いたい。
それは無茶な夢でしたね。3DPD、と、英語のやつPDも、きまりだな。
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>>152478699
I've deleted most of my old art. But even I started from stick figures and worked my way up. I just lack the conviction to finish any drawing.

You have to kinda accept that you won't be good immediately and lower your standards a bit, or you get depressed you suck, when that's perfectly normal for someone that just started.
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>>152478445
do you just grind and get good and then ??? hang out in draw threads until someone invites you?

i feel like such an autistic faggot because this is becoming "how to make friends"
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>>152476860
Damn that sounds great
I took an art class in highschool. First we drew our non-dominant hand. Then we drew our non-dominant hand with our eyes closed. Then our final was drawing our portrait.

To this day I still can't believe what a waste of time it was.
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>>152478743
Oh, it still is there.
I was just using a bad link.
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>>152477639
wait really? i thought the more careful you are the straighter the lines
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>>152478855
>do you just grind and get good and then ??? hang out in draw threads until someone invites you?
No, i just happened to be in the same thread when they spilled out their IRC channel where they hang out back a few years ago, the place is dead now. idk if there's still a drawfriends group up in /a/ or the weeb part of /ic/. Why not just >>152478497
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>>152478996
take a piece of paper and a pen
try to draw a straight line as carefully as you can
now draw another one but this time fast
report the result
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just start from the drawfag document
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>>152478505
There's a discord channel for /ic/ anons.
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How do you cope with the feeling you going fuck up a good drawing by attempting to paint it or ink it later on?

I can't progress because of that
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>>152477177
Old tricks like using a mirror or an action figure you have at hand

or just draw the pose with sticks and start from there
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>>152479648
Don't get too attached to your drawings.
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>>152479648
You get over it.

Seriously, you just have to get past that fear and do it.

If it helps, you will fuck it up. But you'll never get to a place where you don't fuck up unless your fuck up. The road to success is paved with failure.
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>>152474410
I quit drawing because being a code monkey makes more money.
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>>152474410
I think I am quite good at it, hell there are people who are way worse than me with a patreon and everything.
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>>152479648
Do you have a glass/transparent table or desk?
>put a lamp under it
>put your drawing on it
>and an another piece of paper over it
>"trace" original drawing
Or just scan tit and try doing it digitally
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>>152479822
It is a very good side income though, that's how i buy all my cute mmo costumes in tera and black desert without feeling buyers remorse.
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>>152479266
I wonder how many good works I'm missing from the drawfag threads, there are too many I'm lazy to check

>>152479648
You could always try to scan it and do it digitally to avoid ruining the original

>>152479713
>Don't get too attached to the thing you like
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>>152476553
holy shit she's fat sorry i like my lolis not-fat ok?
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>There's no better feeling that adquiring a waifu and realizing you can actually draw her if you try

Only issue is that if you have shit taste no one will appreciate your work
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Is it weird if you put effort into your drawings of girls and only post those, but when you're just doodling or sketching for ideas, you draw guys more often?
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>>152480141
>tfw scat and hairy armpits fetish
Well at least a handful of degenerates appreciate me.
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>ywn be able to draw your own waifu
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>>152480250
that means your gay dude
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>>152480288
>tfw your waifu is an original character and you're the only who has drawn her and ever laid eyes upon her
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How does the inking process works?

Do you just trace the original with a black pen or stylograph and then use an eraser to clean it?
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How do you do digital art?

My lines always turn out to be really shaky with a tablet. If I try to outline my stuff with the pen tool it looks even more like shit
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>>152480503
I'd like you to meet my good friend Vector
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>>152479648
I draw so many sketches that I can ink without worrying about loosing the sketch. like there are so many of them that one bad ink wont matter. gotta draw fast
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>>152480377
You mean OC? that's pretty silly.
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>>152479146
I can see the now
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>>152480712
Its pretty hardcore autism, but it's a comfy kind of autism.
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I'm not actually trying. I'll probably give up bbefore the year ends tho.
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I do, I just don't study alot.
And even when I do I have zero fucking idea what I'm doing
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>>152474410
I don't understand what happens between steps 3 and 4
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> learning to draw
> when you could pay others to draw for you

???
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>>152480945
>Paying to fap
Nah
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>>152479930
how do you get commissions? post lewds on tumblr or something?
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>>152477693
Did you scan everything?
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>>152480445
yep.
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post a drawing, no matter how shitty it is, I wanna see
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Guys, as someone who has been drawing a while enough that It's my job now (animation), i just wanna tell you that /ic/ saying you necessarily have to study up on loomis before you should start drawing is weak.

Make sure you draw things that unapologetically make you happy before anything and if you love it enough to want to know more THEN you start studying. And everytime you feel like it's hard and you want to give up, go back to those things and keep in touch regularly with what you love.

Also show your stuff to people (like this thread), feedback/praise will motivate you to want to do more.

In 2011, I posted on drawthreads and since they were new at the time it wasnt just a flood of requests, it really helped me to be more confident (even if i've come a long way from then) and i really do value what it brought to me.

Never forget to draw things that make you happy
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>>152479648
color a traced copy
or just go digital
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>>152481050
It's incomplete, but I'll smile if somebody can guess the robo.
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>>152481050
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>>152481050
I seriously need to learn about posing
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>>152481050

My waifu
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>>152481050
>>
I hate painting. I never can do it right.
Being able to draw is great. I get to turn that fetishtastic thought in my mind into an image I can share.
All pencil, paper, mouse, and pen tool in photoshop.
No tablet involved.
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>>152481081
True. I tried learning art when I was younger by drawing conventional things and lost interest immediately. Now trying again with the goal of learning to draw cute 2d girls I'm actually sticking with it and making progress.
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>>152481050
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>>152481445

God damn, that's awesome
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>>152474830
Less detail allows for more personal interpretation. It looks better to you because you can choose to see the positive qualities you want to see with no details to contradict that. It's why people prefer the original book to a movie adaptation. The book lets them imagine what they want to see.
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>>152481445
Do you have previous stages of that drawing?
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>>152481409
learning about the line of action is a really good place to start, it makes all your poses look much more natural rather than stiff
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>>152474410
Because I am more of a writefag and leader of an indie circle. It's better to work as a team where everone can focus on 1 skill instead of having multiple but average level

I estimate that we are going be publishing a new book in less than 8 months. Hopefully
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>>152481611
You sound pretentious as fuck, but if that's true, good for you.
>>
rare papika
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>>152481611
Why the fuck do you have an entire team just to write a book?
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fuck
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>>152481768

That's good
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I like drawing a variety of stuff, i'm never decided on what kind of style i like
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>>152481768
I like the way you utilized the eraser
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>>152481768
have a website/tumblr ?
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>>152481691
Pretentious, yeah.
We had so much failures but goddamn not even us can believe that we are still sticking around with each other despite already having full time jobs.

>>152481762
[/blog]
We originated from a college anime club where we make mangas and shit. I was "quite" charismatic and they sticked around.
Original plan was to end the club after we graduated, but I got expelled before we could finish our project.

We love the project too much to quit on it just because I was out of school. 1 thing led to anotehr and now we are a circle. I write the plot they make the drawings for either LN or manga project
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>>152481445
The left leg is a little off. Knee needs to point forward more. It's too high and too far back. Other than that, I really like the look.
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>>152481768
reminds me of hajime ueda, really nice
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>>152481050
Decided to make a New Years Resolution to actually learn how to draw.

Decided to draw a picture with my current art experience, which basically amounts to junior high art class years ago. I'll try to redraw it at least once a month, hopefully I'll see some progress as the year goes by.
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>>152481811
sometimes i try sculpting and weridly enough it turned into punpun
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>>152481550

you mean something like this?
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>>152481050
WIP shiny Snivy. I have no idea where to start shading the hair or how.
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>>152482001

Yes, thanks
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>>152476933
Man
We dont have enough anime about blackface clowns
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>>152478213
work on anatomy lol
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>>152481050
>no matter how shitty it is
FIne then.
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>>152481050
see
>>152478044
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>>152482117
What's your original resolution?
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>>152481874

I can hardly tell to be honest because once I'm done, I have to stretch the picture because I changed the resolution of my monitor due to my bad eye sight.
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>>152482157
that one was 2500 x 2500
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>>>/ic/
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>>152480503
don't use photoshop to do lines, it doesn't have the stabilization feature like most illustration apps do
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>>152482280
Use sai-tools with stabilization
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>>152481050
just finished this
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Please someone draw something decent and record the progress.
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>>152481808
>>152481825
>>152481840

Wow, thanks a lot

>>152481840

I actually just started drawing a few months ago, so this is the only thing on my twitter.

https://twitter.com/ZeLLsReturn
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>>152482013
where did that red coat come from? Shouldn't it be at least pale green to match shiny Snivy's belly?
start with the hair right behind her and then think how it's layered
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>>152481050
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>>152481445

How long did it take to make that?
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I can draw.
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>>152482326
Pretty good.
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>>152478314
>Mentioning Vilppu and Hampton before Loomis.
I like you. I could never get anything useful for figure drawing or of Loomis books. Maybe just perspective.
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>>152481050
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>>152482001
Why are there so many lines in the first pic?
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>>152482337
Hope this is decent enough. 1/4
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>>152477290
Do you have a gallery I can follow?
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>>152474410
I've been doodling all my life, but now I'm trying to actually get better.

Recently I've started studying some of Kenichi Yoshida's stuff since I really like his designs and wanted to emulate his style and help develop my own.

Yoshida's character design has always had this really expressive nature that I liked, and it reminds me a lot of older 2D Disney animations.
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>>152482544

Yes, but I'd prefer video
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>>152482544
2/4
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>>152482570
You should watch Murata's streams.
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>>152482337
I always record my drawings but this is the most SFW one.

The others would get me banned.
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>>152482585
3/4
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>>152482337
record? like a video or webm of the drawing?
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>>152482622
4/4 still not finished. Painting is the bane of my existence
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>>152482653
Teach me your ways anon.
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>>152482653
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>>152482381
I thought it would be a nice complementary color. I see what you mean, though. I've been staring at it for too long.

I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
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>>152482638

Yes
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>>152482735
maybe if this thread is still alive in 8 hours i might record something when i get home
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>>152482476

I don't exactly remember but it should be around 2 or 3 hours.

>>152482523

people said I would get used to drawing with a graphic tablet, I didn't. Also I'm not good enough to get the shapes right immediately and I often don't delete the previous lines.
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>>152482653
Can I masturbate to your draws anon?
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>>152474410
I'm terrible at keeping straight line since my hand always trembling for no reason.

Also I have no motivation for practicing.
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>>152482730
>I thought it would be a nice complementary color.
how about opening it a bit then? She'd have a pale green shirt under it to keep Snivy's palette and the red coat would look like something she temporarily put on. I guess changing it to green really would make her colors pretty plain and she does need tomething to liven it up.
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>>152482861
use Sai and set the stabilizer to S-7. you can draw as slow and wobbly as you want and still get smooth lines
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>yfw your drawings look actually pretty good in black and white on paper but become awful when colorized or on tablet
Just why
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>>152482847
Go ahead, it's oddly nice to know.
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>>152481050
Forgive my potato tier camera.
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>>152482861
Maybe you're gripping too hard and thinking too much about making it perfect. Just think, if you're drawing figures, nothing you draw is supposed to be a straight line anyways.
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>>152482960
Raita is that you?
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>>152482914
not him but if that's really true, god bless you
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>>152474410
Because it's impossible to learn unless you started when you were still a child.
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>>152482914
Woah really, I don't need to use a pen tab right?
I'm poor as shit
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>>152482960
is always the opposite for me. shitty line art got masked somehow with better coloring
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>>152483106
That is not true at all.
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>>152483106
This isn't correct though?
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>>152480377
I know this feeling so well it isn't funny.
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>>152483002
Crosses on boobs why?
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>>152483142
What are some good resources to start out with? I'd love to learn to draw and I should have plenty of time freed up soonish.
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>>152474410
I'm going to be completely honest with you, practice just takes too much work for me.
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>>152483106
that's fucking wrong you worthless cretin, how about you actually try to do something for once in your life instead of moping over it all day
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>>152483002
looks alright, the lines are a bit sketchy, but it seems like you've got a good start.

How did you start out?
Did you just copy artists' works or did you teach yourself through materials
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>>152483112
If you want to draw digitally, don't ever use a mouse.
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>>152481050
My newest WIP, please don't bully.
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>>152483112
you do, tried it with mouse and it didn't work
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>>152478435
Source on this twitter.
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>>152483258
anon that arm
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>>152483198
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

This is /ic/'s guide, which is a good starting point. Do not visit /ic/, though.

Alternatively you can try drawabox, which is fairly on-rails.

Regardless of what you choose to learn from, you have to be willing to put at least 2-3 hours into practice every day until you fully grasp the fundamentals. Drawing from reference will teach you more than any art book from that point on.

Don't fall for the shitposters saying you have to learn from childhood. It's just that children are easily impressionable and so are more likely to make drawing into a routine. If you're dedicated and make practice a routine then you can easily prove them wrong.
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>>152483028
No, my hand always tremble even when not drawing.
It's more about I can't draw the same line in the same place twice, like, I drew some line and it came out too thin. When I try to fixed it by drawing another line to it, it droves off too much and it became a mess.
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>>152483292
right bottom corner
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>>152474410
>why haven't you learned to draw yet anons?
>many of us could shut your mouth with a handfull of high quality Draws.

here's a better question Faggop
Why haven't you learned Japanese ye?
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Shitty photo quality, only so much paint.net effects can do to help.
How mediocre and in need of more practice am I?
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>>152483462
If you're bad at something, then you know exactly what you need to practice. Bad at drawing lines? Practice drawing lines.

Some common exercises are just drawing a line across a page and reiterating it, or drawing a figure 8/"pringle" as fast as you can while trying to keep the figure overlapping itself as closely as possible.
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>>152481050
This is the only thing I have here.
It's from a delivery I did a long ago to the waifu drawthread because I felt like drawing that day.
>tfw even showing your art to someone anonymously makes you sweat profusely.
This is why I never train.
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>>152483549
first of all please tell me you recognize your lack of skill

then read loomis
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>>152474410
>houtengeki has a draw book

And there goes 25 bucks.
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>>152483639
I wish it was digital.
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>>152483549
>paint.net
m8 get Sai, just make sure it's the full version not trial
it's what the cool japanese kids use
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>>152482960
Same here but with third world's camera
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>>152483577
Cute witch. I know what you mean though.
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>>152482960
because when you draw over it again you unknowingly trample over your sketch's line weights
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>>152483555
Exactly, you're right about that and I agree.
I'm just too lazy to do anything.

I'll probably try your method one day though, probably.
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>>152483415
/ic/ recently made a new guide which is a bit more thorough than the one in their sticky. See >>152478645
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>>152482903
Oh, that's a good idea. Maybe I could give her a hair accessory or something too.
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>>152483336
Which arm? The resting arm of the girl on the left? Please tell me what's wrong so I can try and fix it
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>>152478344
>>152482093

Fuck off samefag shitposter
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>>152480945
People having been collecting and paying other people do art for them for centuries. Your point?
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>>152474992
This, or the most expensive/greatest device available. Anything between is overpriced and not that much better than the bottom of the barrel. (It's BETTER, don't get me wrong, it's just not enough of an improvement that you won't feel ripped off.)

I'm definitely going to catch some shit for this, but the iPad pro is pretty good too.

You've probably heard this a lot, but a drawing tablet isn't going to make you a better artist. I bought an intuos, thinking it would motivate me to practice more since it's easier to paint etc... (and I'm a computer nerd) but it didn't. I still keep gravitating back to paper-- and fucking notebook paper at that.
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>>152483258
0/10 needs Loomis
You deserve to be bullied
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>>152482609
>The others would get me banned.

Link?
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>>152483837
the resting one, looks kinda like you messed up foreshortening on it
It's like her arm goes flat against her chest
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>>152475747
Not actually that bad, you know how to draw what you see, but your proportions are WAY off. That head is way too small for that body.

You should start with the basic shapes first, and draw them quickly.
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>>152483971
Ok, thanks for the comment anon. I'm still learning how to do foreshortening
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>>152478890
Let me guess
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
What a waste of time that shit is.
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>>152481050
Pls no bully
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>>152483898
But the iPad is great. Pic related, made with one.

It's an even cheaper option than a cintiq.
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>>152481050
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>>152478435
What does this say?
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>>152481050
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>>152484184
Any other videos like this? I love this shit.
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>>152484173
But I want to bully so much.
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>>152484157
Keys to Drawing is the vastly superior book on drawing from real life. The pseudo-psychology in Drawing with the Right Side is crap.
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>>152484184
All the "non-conformists" hate Apple now.

The one thing I do hate about the iPad pro is that things you make on it are hard to move anywhere else. Like if you want to sketch on the iPad, clean it up in Photoshop, then send it back to your iPad so you can add a background, it's painful.
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>>152484281
Ehhh most of the videos are in mp4 and I don't feel like converting them...
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>>152481050
Looks shetty, I know, but I am practicing here and there
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Do I need to learn anatomy to draw good bodies? I can make pretty decent heads but my bodies look like late term abortions. Especially the hands and feet.
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I'm trying, but I'm a lazy fuck who just wants to draw cute anime girls instead of studying proper fundamentals.
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>>152483478
Arigato.
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>>152484535
>Do I need to learn anatomy to draw good bodies?
Yes.
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>>152484535
>Do I need to learn anatomy to draw good bodies?
What do you think?
yes
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>>152484535
Yes. Learn the proper proportions and get at very least a basic understanding on everything else. The better you get at anatomy, the better your bodies will be.
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>>152484535
But why did you ask such a redundant question?
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>>152484608
>>152484610
>>152484624
This seems vastly harder than draw a circle then draw the rest of the anime girl's face.

I don't even know where to start with this. Do you just learn major muscle placements, proportions, and apply it to a second circle beneath the head? I can only think in circles.
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>>152484173
I dropped this Hobby like 3 years ago when i discovered that practicing didn't change my status of "averange" and taking like 5 days for these shitty outcome made me think.
"should i really continue with these shitty arts?"
but i stay a hardcore "art fanatic"
bully me as you want, its crap and lack of Originality on the design
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>>152484726
>Do you just learn major muscle placements, proportions, and apply it to a second circle beneath the head? I can only think in circles.
Take out some books on drawing from the local library.
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>>152484726
Start with the bones, then the muscles. All the muscles attach to the bones, so if the bones are wrong, everything else will be too.
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>>152481050
here's my OC waifu/anima personification

my slow progress is so discouraging.
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>>152481050
Today's warmup. Sadly finished pieces aren't particularly better.
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>>152484804
>>152484817
So it is a lot more difficult than drawing circles and adding shit onto it for heads. Guess I have a lot of practice ahead of me.
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>>152484726
You study anatomy first to know what real proportion and body parts look like. If you want to draw anime style, it's just an "exaggerated" and stylized, and not always but usually simplified form - and you can still use proper realistic anatomy as a guide.
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>>152484908
nice jew nose.
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>>152474410
I have draw my porn several times.
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>>152484908
also I can't consistently make a character LOOK like that character.
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>>152484975
Try reading Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist. It's a very popular choice on this topic.

I'm sure there's a download link somewhere in the /ic/ archives.
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>>152483193
He is christian, anon.
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>>152485010
God damnit. Can't unsee.
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>>152474410
I can draw a little, but never sought any kind of actual training. I feel like there're more important things to try to learn.
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>>152474410
Drawing is an art, good art takes time and practice, it's never something you master in a day.

Most important thing of all, regardless of skill and everything else is that you must enjoy drawing and learning how to draw. As long as you like it, I think that's all that really matters. Otherwise you will never get better or find the motivation to do it. Hell it could take years to master it, but you will always have fun if you like it.
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Who else here is hopelessly clinging to a dream of making their own manga (or random other large project)? I know I am.
I keep telling myself I'll start with a few oneshots/character fanbooks, then a short manga maybe a dozen chapters at most, then try and publish a monthly thing online. Maybe get into patreon if I can get over not accepting money for my work.

Can't for the life of me finish anything I start though. Such is my life.
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>>152485397
Why is this such a common pattern? Why is it so easy to get discouraged?
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How useful is it to copy an existing image? Say you got the fundamentalist down and you grab a random girl off danbooru, look over her once or twice, and then draw it to the best of your capacity? Is there any value to practicing like this?

I'm not talking about tracing or trying to copy lines 1:1
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>>152474410
I have enough hobbies as it is, but the other day i tried to draw something seriously for the first time and felt so proud of that piece of shit that i had to save it.

>>152481050
http://sketchtoy.com/67756711
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>>152481427
>that spoiler

Are you me? I waste so many days just to do what a person with SAI and tablet skills can do in a day.
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>>152481050
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>>152485397
I've gotten a few short comics out.

Setting deadlines is pretty important. If you don't have one you'll just put it off and never do it. You have to have a deadline that you stick to.
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>>152474410
Not rich enough.
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>>152485433
Not that guy but for me it's because I'm a lazy fuck who enjoys shitposting slightly more than I do applying myself. I make progress but it goes at a snail's pace.
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>>152485397
I've been working on a small game for at least a year now and basically only have character movement done.
I've been trying to learn code as well as get better at art.
I regret wasting my younger years not improving.

School picked up again so I barely have time to work on it.
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>>152485442
I actually find that very helpful. It helped me lots of times learn which lines, bits of shading, or shapes I should home in on when trying to give the overall impression of a character, and which ones to leave out. I'd still greatly recommend drawing from life too, though.

And also beware-- if you only copy other people, then your art will be just like everyone else's. Try to make your own observations as well.
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>>152474410
Why would I want to draw anons?
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>>152476622
That is actually... Pretty useful.
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>>152485485
Why did that person elevate everything though?
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>>152474410
I wanted this book. Do you have the archive?
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>>152485442
For me, I eventually started to incorporate certain things I noticed while imitating the art style into my own. Just bit by bit, step by step changes. Spacing between the eyes, types of pupils, how to draw hair, those things.
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>>152485496
I know, but computer people never have trouble sticking to it. All my programmer friends spend hours delving systems, even ones who don't particularly enjoy it. They do get bored, but if they decide to apply themselves for two hours per day, they don't have this huge block on them that artists do. They can generally make a plan and stick to it-- at least that's my experience. They're not autistic, either... at least not any more than me.

Artists ALWAYS talk about how hard it is to practice, and really commit.
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>>152485485
Goddamn, that is a hardcore setup.
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>>152474992
Bad advice. Cheapest Wacom tablet is really small and makes drawing harder than it has to be. Get a good medium sized Chinese tablet like from Houin or Yinova.
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>>152485442
It's common practise to do that with real photos. It's probably not going to be quite as useful as that, but if the thing you're copying is good enough, you may be able to profit from it.

Just keep in mind that you actively need to try to learn from what you draw. Mindlessly copying won't achieve much.
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>>152481050
I want to believe that I can make it.
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>>152482562
I don't post often in pixiv, but there's a link in the profile to where i usually put my stuff.
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4282517

>>152482485
>>Mentioning Vilppu and Hampton before Loomis.
Vilppu is elder god tier, that book is a must read.
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>>152477810
Tutorial books are useful but not for beginners. Tutorial books can teach you about specific anatomy and other shit, but they usually don't teach you how to draw.

Anything that is "Tutorial" oriented is usually just supplementary stuff for the experienced. To actually get artistic ability you need to study the fundamentals.
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>>152485457
>You have to have a deadline that you stick to.
I do that, and admittedly, it works quite well. I tend to get the rough sketches out pretty quickly.
The problem for me is that partway through I tend to compare my work to professionals too often and notice my artwork (obviously) lacking. Then comes the self-criticism, then the demotivation, then the depression and ultimately the project gets scrapped.

Being a perfectionist sucks.
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>>152481050
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>>152485397
I don't cling to it anymore because I realized how long it takes to draw even a single page and how tired I am after coming home from work.
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>>152485622
I disagree, for certain things I think it's MORE useful than copying photos.

I learned more anatomy and contour drawing from pausing episode 18 of Space Dandy whenever I saw an interesting post and copying it (It was the big fish episode, where Dandy was in his underwear most of the time) than I ever did from photos. Oshiyama has an incredible skill for capturing a figure with only a few lines-- knowing which muscle is most important for defining a pose, rather than just shoving them all in your face and setting you on your own to make sense of them is incredibly helpful.
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>>152485706
Yeah, you just gotta work through it. Just think of it as a goal to reach someday rather than something unobtainable.

You can do it, anon.
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>>152485442
Trying to copy stuff and trying to figure out how it works can be really helpful actually.
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>>152485706
There's probably truth in this. Everyone I ever knew who got really good at art had a group of friends who they would share their art with, and they weren't too incredibly critical (maybe they were really young, or just learning at the time too).

My friends, OTOH, were fucking faggots. All they did was comment on what it looked like besides what I was trying to draw, and they'd poorly draw dicks and boobs on them if I turned my back. Fucking hell I didn't realize until years later that I fucking hated them.
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Realistically, with an hour of practice every day, how much time would it take for me to be able to draw cute girls well enough that my art would be acceptable to be published as a manga? Consider that I'm starting from literally not being able to draw a decent circle or a straight line.

And no, I'm not thinking of trying to get anything published, I'm just using that as a standard.
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>>152474410
I'm actually going to start soon.

I'm pretty bad but I'm sure I can become okay eventually.

I really want to know how to use color correctly though, I never really figured that out. Every time I used to try to color stuff using my own ideas it would look like shit.
>>152483106
everyone says this is wrong.

One of the secrets of being older is that you can actually learn most things much more easily than you can as a child, with a few exceptions. People who say otherwise are either stubborn or idiots.
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>>152485924
>to be published as a manga?
Well, you can get literal shit pubished as any kind of book you want. You just need to pay enough.
The question is, would you be pleased with it being published or would you rather have your manga be known for beautiful artwork?
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>>152485924
>well enough that my art would be acceptable to be published as a manga
That's too broad anon, there are many mangaka who need to practice the fundamentals a lot. Yo u gotta put more concrete goal first or you'll just burn out and give up.
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>>152476553
thicc
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>>152476553
Seriously pls mega the archive
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>>152485975
Read Color and Light by James Gurney.

Or, if you're a cheapskate, just read his blog, Gurney Journey. Most of it's on there anyways.
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>>152485923
People who see you struggling and get joy out of holding your head under.
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>>152481932
good husbando choice
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>>152485776
You are supposed to do that but not with somebodies animation inbetweens.
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>>152486121
Usually I'd say you're right but this is an exceptional case
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>>152485924
Even if it's just a hour, as long as you actually try and don't drop the ball you might achieve something. start practicising lines, anatomy, perspective, wathever, as long as you do have the initiative and try for real.
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>>152486069
If you aren't willing to spend 15 bucks for the best book on color and light you are never going to draw decently anyway.
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>>152484726
Start by just drawing people. Until you learn to draw what you see (which is actually really hard) you're going to be shit at everything.

Once you can draw things in proportion by looking at them, start doing specific anatomy studies

If you can't draw, studying anatomy is almost worthless because even though you'll understand more of what you're drawing, your hand is still too stupid to draw it.
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>>152486142
And it's not like I'm saying it's a master's level class or anything-- it's just a few details that are REALLY nice to have memorized.
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>>152481050
Scanned sketch
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>>152483106
I actually started as a child, but used to draw only from observation and never bothered to study and properly learn the techniques and etc.
Is 26 years old too old to try to learn this stuff?
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>>152486142
But the entire concept of style is you personally figuring out which muscles you think help best define the form when you simplify. You are just copying some dude.
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>>152474589
what? no. everything stems from drawing. if you're having serious issues with painting you're most likely shit at drawing (but don't know it yet)
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>>152486027
>>152486001
I guess I was too vague. I don't really hope I'll be able to draw beautiful artwork, I just want to be able to develop a style that's pleasant and consistent. I mean, take Takagi-san for example. The author is actually a pretty good artist, but the manga itself is very simple. There aren't many complicated poses or angles and the designs are pretty simple, yet I find the art extremely appealing. It makes me wonder if you have to be really good to make simple things look this nice.
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>>152486133
What did you do to practice? That's a pretty drastic improvement!
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>>152474410
Because I hate to draw.
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>>152486232
hell nah, you're never too old to start learning to draw. It's all about consistent practice though, so if you wanna git gud you'll have to dedicate yourself to it
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>>152486252
I guess a good control of your line, muscular memory, knowledge of what you're actually doing and what you want to achieve and a style you're comfortable with are the keys to go.
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>>152476571
My sides are in orbit
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>>152486232
I... actually like that picture, but no it's never too late.

You WILL have trouble finding time unless it's something you don't mind say, giving up an evening after work chilling on the couch to practice.
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>>152486396
>>152486149
Okay thanks, I guess I won't really know without trying to learn some basics first.
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>>152485397
It's a little sad that I will never draw the Keit-ai manga.
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>>152486253
It's a bait.
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>>152485558
He draws standing up, too.
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>>152474410
There was a time when I wanted to start learning, I even got a wacom tablet and looked for some reference images, but I didn't even last one week because I spend too much time playing shitty videogames and I'm a lazy fuck, but I really want to be able to draw waifus, so I'll read everything again and look for useful tips.
Wish me luck, /a/nons.
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>>152486545
it's not unbelievable for one years worth, if all you do is study shitty anime
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>>152486436
She grew breasts.
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>>152486629
You can do it anon, I'm also working on it and getting better step by step with you!
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>>152486068
Here you go
https://mega.nz/#!ntFVxaZA!TYN-4ExcVVrUc9EA3WpfkGBvx62iK9gnqUbaEMGjmA8
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>>152486667
Of course, it's been 6 years
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>>152486483
>it's never too late.

Technically, it can be, but you'd need to be pretty close to being terminally ill.
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>>152486234
It's a shortcut to help develop a particular visual sense. The point is to get a better understanding of how the lines become a object that seems to exist in real space, rather than how to copy someone else's work. If you're just copying the lines, and not having any kind of realization about the real weight and substance of the thing you're drawing, then you're doing it wrong.

Art isn't magic, or some kind of shonen power that can only be unleashed from inside you (and then only if you're the chosen one). It's a skill, and you can definitely get better at it by imitating what other good artists have done.

And again, I'm not saying that this is the "best" way to learn, I'm just saying that it might help you. For example, I was far more able to make sense of a shoulder blade, or of the place where the buttocks meets the thigh afterwards. I learned much more from copying photographs after this than I did before, because I could see those lines, helping me remember the underlying structure of the body in my head.
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>>152474589
>>152475050
Hell no, If mastering drawing takes your a 100 hours, painting will only take you 20. Unless you're doing some abstract painting, without some solid drawing formation a painting is gonna look amateurish no matter how good of a finish touch you can give it.
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>>152486724
Why don't we make these threads a weekly thing-- like the waifu threads, only it's more a "Shitty artists try to get better" thread.
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>>152477290
>whenever I like
Bullshit, you make it sound like you're not working nearly as hard as you probably are. Drawing is a pain in the ass and it feels like leveling a close to max level character on a korean grind fest MMO. No point to the analogy other than to say that I'm very jelly of your skills and especially your discipline.
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>>152487096
>Drawing is a pain in the ass and it feels like leveling a close to max level character on a korean grind fest MMO
Drawing is tanoshii as heck, buddy.
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>confining yourself to boring, 2D art
>not embracing the patrician choice and learning 3D modeling instead

Plebs, the lot of you.
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>>152478213
Lovely hatching, a bit too polished for my liking but still impressive to me.
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>>152487134
I model props and shit I need for my manga backgrounds.
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>>152487134
>you can only learn one at a time
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>>152478213
I thought that was muscular Freeza for a moment.
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>>152474410
I sort of can, it just takes way too long and I'd rather spend my time doing other things instead. I really wish I could improve my ability though. Any good tips to draw faster or is this just an autistic personal problem?
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>>152487033
>yuno-sensei left
;_;
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>>152479648
By coloring digitally and having the freedom of making reparable mistakes.
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>>152487191
>implying you can learn more than one at a time while masturbating 7 times a day to Salad
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>>152487107
If you're good at it.
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>>152487246
Well shit doc, how does anyone improve if they can't have fun drawing as a beginner?
>>152487238
Drawing analogue will train you to get it right the first time.
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>>152480503
It's just practice. What anons say about photoshop its true though, but the 'issue' is always the artist never the tool.
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>>152486483
T-thanks, have another. But yes, that's the biggest problem: time.
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>>152487134
Jokes on you, I'm learning both, even if I just starting with 3d like 4 months ago.
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>>152487235
who's that?
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>>152487134
>Not wanting to learn both
Also, I won't defile the pure existence of a cute loli by adding that stupid extra dimension.
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>>152487272
They're masochists.
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