Why haven't you learned to draw yet anons?
sadly this. drawing is fine though.
this is the same line of thinking as retards that believe buying overpriced premium quality pencils and paper will make them draw better
having higher quality media only matters when you're already professional level and even then it's just trivial quality of life preference
I think it's because of the line widths/shading around mouth/nose. If you merge them it looks a bit better.
Way ahead of you. This is my OC, Tomoko-chan. I chose not to color her in because I hate manga with color pages.
I'm working on it, give me a few months and I'll be a drawfag.
I don't believe I will ever have the discipline to get good at it so why bother. Also the early stage when you know exactly what's wrong with your drawing but are too unskilled to fix it is frustrating as hell.
I do. But not this generic anatomy simplification. If people really draw then they will know this is not the proper way to learn how to draw, even anime-ish style. It just waste time.
On my way. This year i'll wrap up the whole anatomy book that i bought and move on to studying the lewd parts and and some animals since beastiality and body modification are my biggest fetish.
I lose interest whenever i got past the sketching part though, inking is not so much fun so i just slap something to it for no reason. pic related.
>From sketch to completed lineart with colors, brush strokes, tones and shadows.
Yes i do, i used not to though when i sucked, speed is the problem with most people i think, i used to take days to draw
a siple lewd pose properly, now i just shit something i want to masturbate to in a few hours and i do masturbate to it because
i haven't spend hours upon hours looking at it.
>on to studying the lewd parts and and some animals since beastiality and body modification are my biggest fetish.
God speed ;_;7
>I lose interest whenever i got past the sketching part though
Maybe try painting it instead? So that it still has value and color but the working process is still fast and loose? Maybe like: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=5518735
All one page "tutorials" are shit, if someone who doesn't know proper fundamentals look at that page he will get nothing out of it, maybe he will copy it exactly and that's it.
I knew how to draw once, but quit. Now each time I try I get discouraged because nothing turns out how I want.
I wish I hadn't let 3DPD in high school distract me.
The people who get good at drawing either like the act of drawing so they don't get discouraged from shit or plow through their shit drawings anyway because they know they'll get better if they just keep drawing
Please note that you'll always be shit if you never draw from real life, though.
There was a course in my high school that taught you to draw in one school year. Basically they were given one thing to draw in class and one for homework. I remember my friend had a pad out during our lunch break drawing a box, a map of the country, etc for homework.
That was at the beginning of the year. By the end of the year he was drawing classic art in a different pose. It was spectacular. Everyone in the class started out with no experience beyond stick figures to making stuff that I thought would take a lifetime to master.
I've sadly not found a similar course. If someone released a similar lesson plan where you are given a series of more difficult drawings and were basically guaranteed to see progress, I'm sure a lot more of us would be drawing our waifus.
>Someone looked that this and gave it the thumbs up
Every single tutorial
Glad I gave up after a while
I used to enjoy it so much, and drawing came naturally to me every day. It's just so hard to stay motivated nowadays.
And yeah, I should actually try that. All I draw are husbandos and similar anime crap.
I'm roughly 4-5 years in now and just draw things whenever i like. If you're diligent to schedule yourself and really stick to what you want to accomplish (anatomy, perspective, etc.) and putting in all the hours with real hard work, you'll be able to get decent in less than 2 years.
>2 years of practice and still can't make a proper circle or draw a straight line most of the time
I did, and I did decently, i guess.
But still, manga/animu poses and perspectives are more exaggerated than real life.
What looks good as real life drawing, looks shit as manga.
Thanks for the info, man! You're really good!
Also, do tutorial books actually help? I've tried a few but the transition from "Do this very simple thing" to "Now try out all this other stuff" usually is lost on me. Anatomy and poses are way too complex.
there was a brief period when tumblr was chill before it became lol tumblr, and before that deviantart wasn't a wasteland. now i have no idea where english speaking anime artists hang out that isn't in little cliques on twitter or whatever.
I never got into any "groups" because my art is not normalfag friendly, i used to post on /ic/ but now that tumblr is accepted there its filled with normalfags, i do pretend to be japanese on pixiv though.
>Also, do tutorial books actually help?
It depends on the person, but for drawing figures in general, the /ic/ canons are still a recommendation(Vilppu Drawing Manual, Figure Drawing and Design by Michael Hampton, Creative Illustration by Loomis, Perspective Made Easy, etc.).
>I've tried a few but the transition from "Do this very simple thing" to "Now try out all this other stuff" usually is lost on me. Anatomy and poses are way too complex.
Draw slowly even it should take you 10-15 minutes just to capture the relationship between the body parts. Being able to do it fast and seamlessly is just a milestone from it.
why would you want to hang out with English-speaking artists anyway? Stick to Nips and Gooks on twitter and you are golden. They have the best guides and references.
>Not posting the original one
/ic/'s mostly shitposting these days.
because they aren't as obnoxious as the English speaking artists
Draw upside-down eggs, or make vaguely cute chibi blobs.
I used to just doodle on paint but then I stopped for years and now I can't draw for shit
I've deleted most of my old art. But even I started from stick figures and worked my way up. I just lack the conviction to finish any drawing.
You have to kinda accept that you won't be good immediately and lower your standards a bit, or you get depressed you suck, when that's perfectly normal for someone that just started.
do you just grind and get good and then ??? hang out in draw threads until someone invites you?
i feel like such an autistic faggot because this is becoming "how to make friends"
Damn that sounds great
I took an art class in highschool. First we drew our non-dominant hand. Then we drew our non-dominant hand with our eyes closed. Then our final was drawing our portrait.
To this day I still can't believe what a waste of time it was.
>do you just grind and get good and then ??? hang out in draw threads until someone invites you?
No, i just happened to be in the same thread when they spilled out their IRC channel where they hang out back a few years ago, the place is dead now. idk if there's still a drawfriends group up in /a/ or the weeb part of /ic/. Why not just >>152478497
How do you cope with the feeling you going fuck up a good drawing by attempting to paint it or ink it later on?
I can't progress because of that
You get over it.
Seriously, you just have to get past that fear and do it.
If it helps, you will fuck it up. But you'll never get to a place where you don't fuck up unless your fuck up. The road to success is paved with failure.
I quit drawing because being a code monkey makes more money.
I think I am quite good at it, hell there are people who are way worse than me with a patreon and everything.
Do you have a glass/transparent table or desk?
>put a lamp under it
>put your drawing on it
>and an another piece of paper over it
>"trace" original drawing
Or just scan tit and try doing it digitally
I wonder how many good works I'm missing from the drawfag threads, there are too many I'm lazy to check
You could always try to scan it and do it digitally to avoid ruining the original
>Don't get too attached to the thing you like
>There's no better feeling that adquiring a waifu and realizing you can actually draw her if you try
Only issue is that if you have shit taste no one will appreciate your work
Is it weird if you put effort into your drawings of girls and only post those, but when you're just doodling or sketching for ideas, you draw guys more often?
>tfw your waifu is
an original characterand you're the only who has drawn her and ever laid eyes upon her
I'd like you to meet my good friend Vector
Guys, as someone who has been drawing a while enough that It's my job now (animation), i just wanna tell you that /ic/ saying you necessarily have to study up on loomis before you should start drawing is weak.
Make sure you draw things that unapologetically make you happy before anything and if you love it enough to want to know more THEN you start studying. And everytime you feel like it's hard and you want to give up, go back to those things and keep in touch regularly with what you love.
Also show your stuff to people (like this thread), feedback/praise will motivate you to want to do more.
In 2011, I posted on drawthreads and since they were new at the time it wasnt just a flood of requests, it really helped me to be more confident (even if i've come a long way from then) and i really do value what it brought to me.
Never forget to draw things that make you happy
It's incomplete, but I'll smile if somebody can guess the robo.
I hate painting. I never can do it right.
Being able to draw is great. I get to turn that fetishtastic thought in my mind into an image I can share.
All pencil, paper, mouse, and pen tool in photoshop. No tablet involved.
True. I tried learning art when I was younger by drawing conventional things and lost interest immediately. Now trying again with the goal of learning to draw cute 2d girls I'm actually sticking with it and making progress.
Less detail allows for more personal interpretation. It looks better to you because you can choose to see the positive qualities you want to see with no details to contradict that. It's why people prefer the original book to a movie adaptation. The book lets them imagine what they want to see.
Because I am more of a writefag and leader of an indie circle. It's better to work as a team where everone can focus on 1 skill instead of having multiple but average level
I estimate that we are going be publishing a new book in less than 8 months. Hopefully
I like drawing a variety of stuff, i'm never decided on what kind of style i like
We had so much failures but goddamn not even us can believe that we are still sticking around with each other despite already having full time jobs.
We originated from a college anime club where we make mangas and shit. I was "quite" charismatic and they sticked around.
Original plan was to end the club after we graduated, but I got expelled before we could finish our project.
We love the project too much to quit on it just because I was out of school. 1 thing led to anotehr and now we are a circle. I write the plot they make the drawings for either LN or manga project
Decided to make a New Years Resolution to actually learn how to draw.
Decided to draw a picture with my current art experience, which basically amounts to junior high art class years ago. I'll try to redraw it at least once a month, hopefully I'll see some progress as the year goes by.
sometimes i try sculpting and weridly enough it turned into punpun
you mean something like this?
WIP shiny Snivy. I have no idea where to start shading the hair or how.
>no matter how shitty it is
I've been doodling all my life, but now I'm trying to actually get better.
Recently I've started studying some of Kenichi Yoshida's stuff since I really like his designs and wanted to emulate his style and help develop my own.
Yoshida's character design has always had this really expressive nature that I liked, and it reminds me a lot of older 2D Disney animations.
I always record my drawings but this is the most SFW one.
The others would get me banned.
4/4 still not finished. Painting is the bane of my existence
I don't exactly remember but it should be around 2 or 3 hours.
people said I would get used to drawing with a graphic tablet, I didn't. Also I'm not good enough to get the shapes right immediately and I often don't delete the previous lines.
>I thought it would be a nice complementary color.
how about opening it a bit then? She'd have a pale green shirt under it to keep Snivy's palette and the red coat would look like something she temporarily put on. I guess changing it to green really would make her colors pretty plain and she does need tomething to liven it up.
>yfw your drawings look actually pretty good in black and white on paper but become awful when colorized or on tablet
Forgive my potato tier camera.
Maybe you're gripping too hard and thinking too much about making it perfect. Just think, if you're drawing figures, nothing you draw is supposed to be a straight line anyways.
Because it's impossible to learn unless you started when you were still a child.
This isn't correct though?
looks alright, the lines are a bit sketchy, but it seems like you've got a good start.
How did you start out?
Did you just copy artists' works or did you teach yourself through materials
My newest WIP, please don't bully.
This is /ic/'s guide, which is a good starting point. Do not visit /ic/, though.
Alternatively you can try drawabox, which is fairly on-rails.
Regardless of what you choose to learn from, you have to be willing to put at least 2-3 hours into practice every day until you fully grasp the fundamentals. Drawing from reference will teach you more than any art book from that point on.
Don't fall for the shitposters saying you have to learn from childhood. It's just that children are easily impressionable and so are more likely to make drawing into a routine. If you're dedicated and make practice a routine then you can easily prove them wrong.
No, my hand always tremble even when not drawing.
It's more about I can't draw the same line in the same place twice, like, I drew some line and it came out too thin. When I try to fixed it by drawing another line to it, it droves off too much and it became a mess.
>why haven't you learned to draw yet anons?
>many of us could shut your mouth with a handfull of high quality Draws.
here's a better question Faggop
Why haven't you learned Japanese ye?
Shitty photo quality, only so much paint.net effects can do to help.
How mediocre and in need of more practice am I?
If you're bad at something, then you know exactly what you need to practice. Bad at drawing lines? Practice drawing lines.
Some common exercises are just drawing a line across a page and reiterating it, or drawing a figure 8/"pringle" as fast as you can while trying to keep the figure overlapping itself as closely as possible.
This is the only thing I have here.
It's from a delivery I did a long ago to the waifu drawthread because I felt like drawing that day.
>tfw even showing your art to someone anonymously makes you sweat profusely.
This is why I never train.
Same here but with third world's camera
Fuck off samefag shitposter
This, or the most expensive/greatest device available. Anything between is overpriced and not that much better than the bottom of the barrel. (It's BETTER, don't get me wrong, it's just not enough of an improvement that you won't feel ripped off.)
I'm definitely going to catch some shit for this, but the iPad pro is pretty good too.
You've probably heard this a lot, but a drawing tablet isn't going to make you a better artist. I bought an intuos, thinking it would motivate me to practice more since it's easier to paint etc... (and I'm a computer nerd) but it didn't. I still keep gravitating back to paper-- and fucking notebook paper at that.
Not actually that bad, you know how to draw what you see, but your proportions are WAY off. That head is way too small for that body.
You should start with the basic shapes first, and draw them quickly.
But the iPad is great. Pic related, made with one.
It's an even cheaper option than a cintiq.
All the "non-conformists" hate Apple now.
The one thing I do hate about the iPad pro is that things you make on it are hard to move anywhere else. Like if you want to sketch on the iPad, clean it up in Photoshop, then send it back to your iPad so you can add a background, it's painful.
Ehhh most of the videos are in mp4 and I don't feel like converting them...
Looks shetty, I know, but I am practicing here and there
I'm trying, but I'm a lazy fuck who just wants to draw cute anime girls instead of studying proper fundamentals.
>Do I need to learn anatomy to draw good bodies?
What do you think?
This seems vastly harder than draw a circle then draw the rest of the anime girl's face.
I don't even know where to start with this. Do you just learn major muscle placements, proportions, and apply it to a second circle beneath the head? I can only think in circles.
I dropped this Hobby like 3 years ago when i discovered that practicing didn't change my status of "averange" and taking like 5 days for these shitty outcome made me think.
"should i really continue with these shitty arts?"
but i stay a hardcore "art fanatic"
bully me as you want, its crap and lack of Originality on the design
>Do you just learn major muscle placements, proportions, and apply it to a second circle beneath the head? I can only think in circles.
Take out some books on drawing from the local library.
here's my OC waifu/
my slow progress is so discouraging.
Today's warmup. Sadly finished pieces aren't particularly better.
You study anatomy first to know what real proportion and body parts look like. If you want to draw anime style, it's just an "exaggerated" and stylized, and not always but usually simplified form - and you can still use proper realistic anatomy as a guide.
I can draw a little, but never sought any kind of actual training. I feel like there're more important things to try to learn.
Drawing is an art, good art takes time and practice, it's never something you master in a day.
Most important thing of all, regardless of skill and everything else is that you must enjoy drawing and learning how to draw. As long as you like it, I think that's all that really matters. Otherwise you will never get better or find the motivation to do it. Hell it could take years to master it, but you will always have fun if you like it.
Who else here is hopelessly clinging to a dream of making their own manga (or random other large project)? I know I am.
I keep telling myself I'll start with a few oneshots/character fanbooks, then a short manga maybe a dozen chapters at most, then try and publish a monthly thing online. Maybe get into patreon if I can get over not accepting money for my work.
Can't for the life of me finish anything I start though. Such is my life.
How useful is it to copy an existing image? Say you got the fundamentalist down and you grab a random girl off danbooru, look over her once or twice, and then draw it to the best of your capacity? Is there any value to practicing like this?
I'm not talking about tracing or trying to copy lines 1:1
I have enough hobbies as it is, but the other day i tried to draw something seriously for the first time and felt so proud of that piece of shit that i had to save it.
I've gotten a few short comics out.
Setting deadlines is pretty important. If you don't have one you'll just put it off and never do it. You have to have a deadline that you stick to.
I've been working on a small game for at least a year now and basically only have character movement done.
I've been trying to learn code as well as get better at art.
I regret wasting my younger years not improving.
School picked up again so I barely have time to work on it.
I actually find that very helpful. It helped me lots of times learn which lines, bits of shading, or shapes I should home in on when trying to give the overall impression of a character, and which ones to leave out. I'd still greatly recommend drawing from life too, though.
And also beware-- if you only copy other people, then your art will be just like everyone else's. Try to make your own observations as well.
For me, I eventually started to incorporate certain things I noticed while imitating the art style into my own. Just bit by bit, step by step changes. Spacing between the eyes, types of pupils, how to draw hair, those things.
I know, but computer people never have trouble sticking to it. All my programmer friends spend hours delving systems, even ones who don't particularly enjoy it. They do get bored, but if they decide to apply themselves for two hours per day, they don't have this huge block on them that artists do. They can generally make a plan and stick to it-- at least that's my experience. They're not autistic, either... at least not any more than me.
Artists ALWAYS talk about how hard it is to practice, and really commit.
It's common practise to do that with real photos. It's probably not going to be quite as useful as that, but if the thing you're copying is good enough, you may be able to profit from it.
Just keep in mind that you actively need to try to learn from what you draw. Mindlessly copying won't achieve much.
I don't post often in pixiv, but there's a link in the profile to where i usually put my stuff.
>>Mentioning Vilppu and Hampton before Loomis.
Vilppu is elder god tier, that book is a must read.
Tutorial books are useful but not for beginners. Tutorial books can teach you about specific anatomy and other shit, but they usually don't teach you how to draw.
Anything that is "Tutorial" oriented is usually just supplementary stuff for the experienced. To actually get artistic ability you need to study the fundamentals.
>You have to have a deadline that you stick to.
I do that, and admittedly, it works quite well. I tend to get the rough sketches out pretty quickly.
The problem for me is that partway through I tend to compare my work to professionals too often and notice my artwork (obviously) lacking. Then comes the self-criticism, then the demotivation, then the depression and ultimately the project gets scrapped.
Being a perfectionist sucks.
I disagree, for certain things I think it's MORE useful than copying photos.
I learned more anatomy and contour drawing from pausing episode 18 of Space Dandy whenever I saw an interesting post and copying it (It was the big fish episode, where Dandy was in his underwear most of the time) than I ever did from photos. Oshiyama has an incredible skill for capturing a figure with only a few lines-- knowing which muscle is most important for defining a pose, rather than just shoving them all in your face and setting you on your own to make sense of them is incredibly helpful.
Yeah, you just gotta work through it. Just think of it as a goal to reach someday rather than something unobtainable.
You can do it, anon.
There's probably truth in this. Everyone I ever knew who got really good at art had a group of friends who they would share their art with, and they weren't too incredibly critical (maybe they were really young, or just learning at the time too).
My friends, OTOH, were fucking faggots. All they did was comment on what it looked like besides what I was trying to draw, and they'd poorly draw dicks and boobs on them if I turned my back. Fucking hell I didn't realize until years later that I fucking hated them.
Realistically, with an hour of practice every day, how much time would it take for me to be able to draw cute girls well enough that my art would be acceptable to be published as a manga? Consider that I'm starting from literally not being able to draw a decent circle or a straight line.
And no, I'm not thinking of trying to get anything published, I'm just using that as a standard.
I'm actually going to start soon.
I'm pretty bad but I'm sure I can become okay eventually.
I really want to know how to use color correctly though, I never really figured that out. Every time I used to try to color stuff using my own ideas it would look like shit.
everyone says this is wrong.
One of the secrets of being older is that you can actually learn most things much more easily than you can as a child, with a few exceptions. People who say otherwise are either stubborn or idiots.
>to be published as a manga?
Well, you can get literal shit pubished as any kind of book you want. You just need to pay enough.
The question is, would you be pleased with it being published or would you rather have your manga be known for beautiful artwork?
>well enough that my art would be acceptable to be published as a manga
That's too broad anon, there are many mangaka who need to practice the fundamentals a lot. Yo u gotta put more concrete goal first or you'll just burn out and give up.
Even if it's just a hour, as long as you actually try and don't drop the ball you might achieve something. start practicising lines, anatomy, perspective, wathever, as long as you do have the initiative and try for real.
Start by just drawing people. Until you learn to draw what you see (which is actually really hard) you're going to be shit at everything.
Once you can draw things in proportion by looking at them, start doing specific anatomy studies
If you can't draw, studying anatomy is almost worthless because even though you'll understand more of what you're drawing, your hand is still too stupid to draw it.
I actually started as a child, but used to draw only from observation and never bothered to study and properly learn the techniques and etc.
Is 26 years old too old to try to learn this stuff?
what? no. everything stems from drawing. if you're having serious issues with painting you're most likely shit at drawing (but don't know it yet)
I guess I was too vague. I don't really hope I'll be able to draw beautiful artwork, I just want to be able to develop a style that's pleasant and consistent. I mean, take Takagi-san for example. The author is actually a pretty good artist, but the manga itself is very simple. There aren't many complicated poses or angles and the designs are pretty simple, yet I find the art extremely appealing. It makes me wonder if you have to be really good to make simple things look this nice.
I guess a good control of your line, muscular memory, knowledge of what you're actually doing and what you want to achieve and a style you're comfortable with are the keys to go.
I... actually like that picture, but no it's never too late.
You WILL have trouble finding time unless it's something you don't mind say, giving up an evening after work chilling on the couch to practice.
There was a time when I wanted to start learning, I even got a wacom tablet and looked for some reference images, but I didn't even last one week because I spend too much time playing shitty videogames and I'm a lazy fuck, but I really want to be able to draw waifus, so I'll read everything again and look for useful tips.
Wish me luck, /a/nons.
It's a shortcut to help develop a particular visual sense. The point is to get a better understanding of how the lines become a object that seems to exist in real space, rather than how to copy someone else's work. If you're just copying the lines, and not having any kind of realization about the real weight and substance of the thing you're drawing, then you're doing it wrong.
Art isn't magic, or some kind of shonen power that can only be unleashed from inside you (and then only if you're the chosen one). It's a skill, and you can definitely get better at it by imitating what other good artists have done.
And again, I'm not saying that this is the "best" way to learn, I'm just saying that it might help you. For example, I was far more able to make sense of a shoulder blade, or of the place where the buttocks meets the thigh afterwards. I learned much more from copying photographs after this than I did before, because I could see those lines, helping me remember the underlying structure of the body in my head.
Hell no, If mastering drawing takes your a 100 hours, painting will only take you 20. Unless you're doing some abstract painting, without some solid drawing formation a painting is gonna look amateurish no matter how good of a finish touch you can give it.
>whenever I like
Bullshit, you make it sound like you're not working nearly as hard as you probably are. Drawing is a pain in the ass and it feels like leveling a close to max level character on a korean grind fest MMO. No point to the analogy other than to say that I'm very jelly of your skills and especially your discipline.
>confining yourself to boring, 2D art
>not embracing the patrician choice and learning 3D modeling instead
Plebs, the lot of you.
I sort of can, it just takes way too long and I'd rather spend my time doing other things instead. I really wish I could improve my ability though. Any good tips to draw faster or is this just an autistic personal problem?
T-thanks, have another. But yes, that's the biggest problem: time.