Discuss the latest manga chapter here.
AAAAAAAH I'M SORRY BLACK SAMA I PROMISE I WON'T BOTHER YOU AGAIN!!!
P-please be gentle Blacksama. You're being so rough. O-onegai.
It was pretty cool how Trunks and Mai bought time so Goku and Vegeta could escape.
Oh man, this chapter was extremely brutal.
A very good chapter. Mai is very brave, and Black and Zamasu immediately finding her after tracing even the slightest ki must have been terrifying.
Could you mangafags PLEASE stay in your own thread? Thanks.
It's not just Goku pretty much all the characters are smarter and more competent in the manga.
>anime thread is active with a riveting back-and-forth debate
>manga thread is dead
I think I accept the manga is promotional material, now.
I'm going to the REAL Dragon ball Super thread.
Sorry lads, I just can't live this farce anymore.
Can we talk about how based he was in this chapter?
Granted it was a surprise attack, but I still like how Black reminded Trunks to stay in his lane when he implanted his face into the ground.
Question is, what will Trunks do until Goku and Vegeta return?
>He could still get it in another chapter though.
Probably, but I wouldn't be mad if it didn't happen. I didn't like how it was never properly explained, and it even took awhile for them to release a name.
My autism. I forgot pic related.
How the fuck is Zamasu fighting SSB?
That means he would have gave Beerus a hard time. Shit doesn't make sense. I get why he doesn't die since he's immortal but no way should he be able to exchange speed and punches
It makes no fucking sense. But Toyo attempted to make sense out of it based from Toriyama's draft of Black which said he has Super Saiyan before Rose. Zamasu healed him twice, so I guess that explains it
SSB Goku quickly overwhelmed Zamasu that's why Goku descends back into SS after he knocks him down on the ground and dodges all the objects Zamasu throws at him.
Goku never fought Zamasu before, so he wrongfully assumed that Zamasu was on Black level since they're the same person.
That makes sense when I think about it. Goku downgraded back down to Super Saiyan after getting overconfident and Zamasu was able to restrain him. Shin was able to restrain Dabra (who was SS2 tier).
Surprise attack, dude. Even Goten surprised Buu one time. As soon Black knows Trunks is there he have the upper yard
I don't see the problem? Goku effortlessly dodged all of Zamasu's slice attempts and one-shot him to the ground. Zamasu dodging one hit from SSB doesn't mean he's on par or anything.
>Zamasu dodging one hit from SSB doesn't mean he's on par or anything.
Uh clearly that means he can handle the speed. He shouldn't have been able to dodge that at ALL. That's like Kid Goku dodging an attack made by Cell.
It's not like we've never seen things like this in the original manga before; characters barely managing to dodge an attack from an obviously stronger opponent only to be immediately overwhelmed from the next. It's not a big deal.
>Freeza dodging an attack from Future Trunks (an incredibly stronger opponent) only to end up getting sliced up soon after.
>Base Goku fighting against Freeza (again, who was holding back a lot) and dodging his attacks only to be overwhelmed later on in the fight.
>Judging by his weak attacks, he's not strong at all
You don't know how strong Manga Future Zamasu is, your baseless speculation means nothing.
>Yes because there's an immense power gap.
Again, you don't know how strong Manga Future Zamasu is.
Not him, but we could argue that Future Zamasu in the manga has about the same level of strength as Present Zamasu shown in the anime. Present Zamasu fought against SS2 Goku and was overwhelmed, but yet Goku was impressed and praised his skill. Goku went back to SS and still knocked down Future Zamasu in the manga.
This, lots of people in this fanbase are retarded.
Super Saiyans transformations aren't a set powerlevel, there are multipliers of the users base.
Meaning just because Goku and Goten are both Super Saiyans doesn't mean they're at the same level of strength.
Black has a SS3 Goku tier base mode so him fighting on par with SSB Vegeta isn't strange.
>but we could argue that Future Zamasu in the manga has about the same level of strength as Present Zamasu shown in the anime
No you can't that's from the anime, we're talking about the manga. They are various characters who have different power levels between the anime and manga.
What kind of fight would that be? A sensible one, sure, but that would be completely forgetting who Black is. He's a sadist, Black was humiliated by Vegeta so it's not hard to believe he would want to make Vegeta suffer.
Even so, if Goku had to go back down to SS and not even to SS2, that tells us something as the readers.
I don't think Black multipliers are so big as Goku's, maybe he's not skilled enough so his multipliers are really tiny, but his base still strong enough? Or maybe all multipliers are equal except SSR's one, because he's already a god so his room of improvement is lesser
Goku says it's pink (ピンク) in the Japanese version.
Yeah, I love the contrast. You have the more cultivated Future Zamasu and Present Zamasu (Black) influenced by Saiyan cells, becoming obsessed with power and battle.
Agreed, this is a nice perspective of him.
>regular SSGSS's hair is cyan
>characters are simple and just call it "blue"
>Kaio SSGSS's hair is magenta
>characters are simple and just call it "pink"
>based Zamasu choose call it "Rosé"
I love this guy
Could definitely see the first one playing when he transforms into Rose. It fits that panel so damn well, fuck.
Second one I see when he's beating Vegeta down without mercy.
Will we see him in the manga, /a/?
If so, how would you like it to be handled?
The voice acting and the OST are the only good things about the anime.
What a shame, I wish we could go back in time and have the Black arc be handled by the original animators of DBZ.
>Due to the intense training and calm mind needed to acquire it, this form exceedingly surpasses its predecessor Super Saiyan God,
Makes sense since Super Saiyan Rose is Black's version of Super Saiyan Blue.
The Mafuba happening was more than likely apart of Toriyama's outline at this point.
I could see it being something like this:
>Goku and Vegeta are beaten by Black and Zamasu
>Mafuba is suggested
>Goku and Vegeta return to the future
>Black and Zamasu fuse
>Goku and Vegeta fuse in retaliation
T-That would be pretty hot anon.
Me too. And I wish it was the manga version animated.
It was always obvious that Vegeto was part of Toriyama's outline since the whole "eat too much energy to fusion lasted less" thing came up - while the anime team tries to ignore SSB eating energy since it's supposed to be the most stable ki controller form according to them. This likely means it came from Toriyama's outline.
I'd fucking love it if Goku and Vegeta returned to the future with these outfits - representing as the students of Whis up against these self-proclaimed "gods."
>top middle panel
Manga Zamasu is clearly on a power trip
>I don't have a PS4 so I can't play with Black in any DB game
I managed to snatch the Day One Edition of Xenoverse which includes Black, I'm just waiting on the Rose DLC.
Others have to wait for that certain DLC that contains Rose in order to even use Black at all.
I really wish the anime showed more interaction between the two, but instead we got Gohan...
Translated Viz chapters for read here:
But... they call Zamasu "Zamas"
But SSR Black is a different character, right? Just like SSB Goku and Vegeta.
I really hate that shit, why we can't just use his base form and go SSGSS as every other character do with its respective transformation? Well, excepting SS teen Gohan (which is stupid too)
Viz has a page for free chapters, where you can find Dragon ball super official translation . Would be nice to see someone rip it.
They have Base RoF Goku and SSB Goku as two completely different characters. I'd rather use RoF Goku and have him transform into SSB. The same goes for Vegeta. I honestly hope it's not like this with Rose Black.
MATA KISAMA KA EKKUSU TORANKUSU
Judging by how she acts in pic related, no.
I wonder what Mai's initial reaction was at seeing the boy who gave her gang troubles in the past now grown up and destroying humanity.
Is Mai best girl in Dragon Ball history?
She and Bulma have the most fucking balls. You can argue Chichi too since she walked up to Boo, slapped him, and cussed him out before turning into an egg and dying.
>It's not just Goku pretty much all the characters are smarter and more competent in the manga
Also Trunks blocking Black's sword with his scabbard.
I'd like to be able to go Blue with their normal outfits too.
That's what made THIS scene fucking hilarious.
I'm sure Trunks feels the same way about Mai.
>All Saiyan women were strong
Makes Gine a special case, then.
>Toriyama: Gine had a gentle personality and wasn’t cut out as a warrior, being repeatedly saved from danger by Bardock. At that time, a special emotion was born between them. Normally, Saiyans don’t have much of a notion of romance or marriage, and apart from the royal family of Vegeta, they aren’t particular about blood-relationships.
I know Gohan and Gine would've had a close relationship since they were so similar in personality.
Same. I didn't care for Minus but liked the character of Gine. Bardock being the reason for Goku's departure was a nice touch too, though I still preferred the OVA.
>manga escape >>152469401
>Trunks use Taiyo-Ken and they use the sewer to hide themselves. They know even if they hide his ki, Black can feel Mai's, so they prepare a trick, make Mai pretend they four are running away together and as soon Black and Zamasu appears, Trunks make his surprise attack. Detecting Trunks' ki, Goku, who is already in the time machine with Vegeta, knows here's their last chance to escape so use the machine and go back to the past
>anime escape >>152467199
Humans use FUCKING gas and Black and Zamasu runs like bitches. Mai puts Goku and Vegeta in the time machine and Black can't detect their ki because reasons
How Toyo writting can be so good and Toei's so shitty?
I love Jaco
I love canon Bardock
I love Gine
I love DB Minus
I love "modern" Toriyama
Yes, won't deny it.
This chapter was pretty good.
I was worried Toyotaro was going to rush things and skip SSR form because of what they said about the manga being ahead of the anime, but looks like there was no reason to worry.
The anime made him look ugly, but the manga really does the best boy justice.
>Managed to distract Black and Zamasu long enough for Goku and Vegeta to escape
>Has a grin on his face as he sees them vanish
How will he feel when the Mafuba doesn't even work and he did all that for nothing?
>but the manga really does the best boy justice.
Yeah it does.
This. I don't know what the fuck Toei was thinking having their SS2 look like.... pic related...
>not reading the new chapter with best boy's theme
He looks like a cosplaying Laharl to me. Notice the lack of height, the bandanna, his lack of whorish nipples, and insane power leveling. It' almost like...he's some kind of...not giving up...meta self insert.
>"There's a ningen in my back, there's not?"
I am too. I actually felt for Trunks when Goku looked down at him from the Time Machine. I don't know what he said, but my guess it was something like, "We'll be right back, Trunks! Stay alive!".
Vegeta most likely felt defeated in many ways, one of them not being able to protect his son's future and leaving him with two dangerous foes.
Enough about that though, how will BULMA feel? She told Trunks to return no matter the outcome of the battle, now she's going to find out that he's left alone in his timeline with Black and Zamasu.
Will the final battle take place in the present instead of the future? Zamasu and Black have every time ring. Nothing is stopping them from following Goku into the past, unless they're still scared of Beerus
Present Trunks is going to be upset when his bro doesn't return with them. Present Trunks for the second trip to the future?
This makes the trip to the past quicker. I wonder how they'll handle the Mafuba situation. Goku and Vegeta will most likely be in a hurry since Trunks and Mai were left alone to fend for themselves. How will they learn it in time? It took a day for Goku to learn it in the anime.
Same. It's a shame Toei hasn't really made an effort to animated Minus and especially Jaco by now, but then they're notorious for taking on so much shit that they'll never get around to it, even if they did.
>Goku and Vegeta will most likely be in a hurry since Trunks and Mai were left alone to fend for themselves.
Maybe the time machine will act like a time machine in this version so Goku and Vegeta return to that exact moment after they left.
>How will they learn it in time? It took a day for Goku to learn it in the anime.
Meh kid Goku learnt the Kamehamaha in a couple seconds compared to Roshi who it took 50 years. Same with many other Roshi moves like Zanzoken.
This thread is nice and comfy, while the anime thread is still filled with trolling and fights. The split thread thing was a good idea.
Are they planning on abandoning that timeline after defeating Black?
Welcome aboard. There has been the occasional bait posts, but don't pay them any mind.
Zeno is still most likely going to destroy it since they're two Zenos in the Universal Tournament arc trailer.
Can't wait to see the rest of this arc in the manga.
It's very good to have a nice DB thread, indeed.
How many time rings are there now in the manga?
Does it match up with this?
6, and no, it doesn't match up, yet
also timeline stuff, which I made for Xenoverse 2, so pretty old
Are you people actually enjoin this manga? It's not bad at all, but it's so far behind, i know toyotaro fixed some dumb shit like the tears gas or goku's character , but all the main plots are pretty much the same
>Does it match up with this?
Yep the four timelines from that image plus the U12 timeline and the new timeline Trunks created in DBS/Beerus killing Zamasu here
How does this make you feel, /a/?
>Dat top left panel
>Zamasu dodged a SSB hit
>BUT THE POWERLEVELINGGU IS SO GOOD
Shut up, it's the same trash. It still doesn't make sense.
>Trunks gets hits off on Rosé Black
Are you an idiot? Of course they're slower because we know the end result. It's still the same story
When the manga was ahead, the manga threads would have multiple threads a day.
>Goku goes back to SS1 for some retarded reason and jobs
Prime storytelling right here.
>reacts to Trunks and still doesn't manage to dodge or block his hits despite being magnitudes stronger than SSB
>SS2 Trunks throwning SSR Black in the manga
>Trunks quickly appears and give Black a punch which thrown him out (ala Piccolo kicking Freeza or Goten and Trunks kicking Buu)
>SS2 Trunks throwning SSR Black in the anime
>Trunks quickly appears and stop Black's ki blade... and then increase his aura, hit his stomach, they exchange punches a few seconds and THEN Trunks kicks SSR Black
Looks like Toyotaro knows what a surprise attack is, toeishill
That was, because of the memes.
The anime may be very flawed, but I will always love the anime Black arc for all wacky memes and moments it gave us.
I still prefer the 2-on-2 fight of the anime. Trunks being able to handle Black is retarded, but it didn't last long anyway.
Here it's the predictable Goku + Vegeta combo and they don't even exchange opponents, it's two 1v1s happening simultaneously unlike the anime's version.
Well we don't have translations yet so we don't know the reason,but it's kinda weird why did he revert back to ssj? He lost energy i guess? remember when you turn off the ssb form you lose 90 of your power.
Because Saiyans are written in a way that makes them not do that, it's like when Goku hated getting SSGod relying on others, without him getting there on his own, Vegeta did that on Namek (Zenkai heaven) so he could defeat Freezer.
>remember when you turn off the ssb form you lose 90 of your power.
No, only if you turn off and turn on again quickly. SS Goku still at 100% of his power, he only discrease to 10% if go SSB again
>,but they have to fucked up with the tear gas............Just why??
It was already ruined with this and SSTrunks surviving a Kamehamaha from SSR Black.
This is apparently not acceptable even though Trunks does the exact same thing this chapter?
Why? What's with the double-standards?
> and SSTrunks surviving a Kamehamaha from SSR Black.
>implying Trunks won't still be alive the next time Goku and Vegeta return to the future in the manga
I'm gonna be happy with how you'll try to justify that one.
>This is apparently not acceptable even though Trunks does the exact same thing this chapter?
Stop lying, he doesn't at all. In this chapter he gets 2 surprise punches off and is quickly shut down.
Both punches he gets off are because Black keeps ignoring him to go for Goku and Vegeta
He gets one sneak-attack in, then gets ANOTHER sneak-attack in, hitting Black multiple times in the stomach, despite Black seeing him TWICE in that entire sequence and somehow not reacting to his blows despite being a thousand times stronger.
It's the same shit. Stop trying to damage control.
Well that didn't bother me, cause we have seen that several times throu DB and DBZ , stronger opponents getting puched or being hit it by weaker opponents.also i didn't do any damage to him so...
Very good times, indeed.
Where has the time gone?
You're either brain damaged or trolling. In the anime, Trunks overpowered Black, then beat him in a hand to hand scuffle
In the manga, Trunks got a surprise punch on Black. Black then ignored him and tried to shoot Vegeta and Goku. Trunks then attacked him again, and Black took a hit and then effortlessly slammed him down
The thing is, ki was always explained as a fighting power thats why it can be measured in units and it increases as you train. Mai not being able to shoot energy beams or fly she shouldn't have that much of a presence since she's a normal human.
It's not a fucking surprise if Black SAW him stab Zamasu and then SAW him again dashing towards him. And YET, he still got hit multiple times (not once in each attack, he got hit by multiple punches in the second attack).
You're the fucking retarded one. Pic related is exactly what should have happened as Black shouldn't have had a problem to shoot down the time machine, since he's a thousand times stronger than Trunks.
Just admit both the anime and manga did the same fucking thing for the sake of plot and move on. Stop sucking Toyotaro's cock like a mindless retard.
I don't think there will be that many notable differences anymore.
It might be why Toyo is taking his time with the Black arc instead of rushing it since the anime is now based off his storyboards.
Reminder Cell was defeated because of a surprise attack from Vegeta.
Toyotaro is already on the survival arc so i guess he's just gonna pass the story to Toei,and then Toei will do the episodes based off his storyboards which is a good thing cause we aren't gonna see a lot differences between manga and anime anymore.
If the well goes dry in Toyo-town, who'll be the new sheriff of artistic direction until they drill another wellspring of story inspiration. I for one continue to hold that the Universal Tournament is going to be a cluster of unintended mishaps and a possible bad end with some groundhog day looping thrown in, thus relieving the onscreen characters who've acted dumb of idiot status by giving them a chance to learn. Or if you like, the manga, games, anime, and maybe a good fanfic here or there will cross the streams. So to speak.
Animefags back to your dead thread >>152466494
Toei will probably do some small tweaks.
Like for example how they made Hit look like a threat in the anime and he had a calm personality unlike his manga counterpart(who was weak and smug).
yeah but once you feel someone ki you memorized like the way goku uses it with the instant transmision
black has been fighting mai and trunks for a while so he must know her ki really well
Stop pit shosting
so next month we are getting
>goku learning about the mafuba
>trunks power up
>black being cornered and zamasu being almost sealed
>ends with zamasu fusion
The manga is kinda slow
>I'm not even all that hyped about the next arc in the anime
I don't blame you, there's no way Toei will be able to handle animating all the fights in this tournament back to back. Some of these fights are going to look like ass.
Can ya'll stop acting like the anime is complete trash? The writing is worse and some episodes have awful animation and art, but we also get some great moments. SSJB Kaio Ken was hype, Goku vs Hit and the rematch was fun. The Black arc was awesome until the shit ending, Black and Zamasu were great. The VA and music is top tier, and when the animation is good, it's really good.
>"toeichads" trying to make the manga looks bad and annoy toyobros so badly to compensate how fucked the anime is
Manga is the superior version and every bait is a proof
>Beerus is based around Tori's cat
>Tori hates mice
>Beerus is Tori's cat reincarnated into his manga, who represents Tori's hatred towards mice, but also how much he likes beer
>The final boss of Super will be a mouse, who Beerus and his hakai bros won't be able to destroy and will need the help of our z-heroes to defeat him
>Once this happens thanks to some kind of asspull the true god of the multiverse will be released, Toribot appears in front of our almost defeated heroes, and tells them some words:
>"Thanks for that guys, you can go home now, GT's about to start"
>Toribot resets everyone's memories and Beerus takes a long nap, next time wee see our heroes they think it's their first meeting after they defeated Buu.
And that ends Super
if either of these characters is not the final bad guy of Super, I will be severely disappointed.
I ask myself what the long term effects of this websites continued existence in anything but an archive has on the future of Earth's biosphere. It's hardly ever a good answer, so I sometimes think this is all in my head. No sane species would do this. It's not even fun.
>Goku vs Hit and the rematch was fun
Meh I disagree. The manga actually did something interesting with Hit's strange mannerisms. Where in which Hit was strategically hiding his movements and his hands to avoid Goku seeing his tells. This also made Goku predicting Hits timeskip more believable since he was given a frame of reference for when Hit was going to use his time powers. Unlike the anime where Goku is omniscience or some shit. I mean there was still some my powerlevel>yours but it was still trying to add a strategic element to the fight which has me interested in Toyotaro's version of next tourney.
In the anime he fights with his hands in his pocket because of his generic imma look down on you personality. His shitty "improvement" made his fight boring and repetitive (the looped animation didn't help)
Goku found a way to predict Hit's timeskip movements
Hit: nuh uh I improve over that
Goku used Kaioken to multiply his stats and become "faster than time"
Hit: nuh uh I improve over that
Like some playground game of pretend. Boring as shit.
>The Black arc was awesome until the shit ending, Black and Zamasu were great
Toei's shit characterization of Goku ruined that arc, hell most of the character were incompetent not just Goku. Adding a time loop plot line to DB made no sense and it was repetitive as hell fight Black and Zamasu loses run away to past then return to the future and repeat until they remember Zeno's button.
>The VA and music is top tier, and
The OST is one of the only good things about the arc, that and some elements of episode 57.
>when the animation is good, it's really good.
Not really and even if that were truth its shit most of the time.
Canon just doesn't have Trunks. There's no difference considering the gap between Black and Trunks is as big as the one between Cell and Krillin.
>Reminder Cell was defeated because of a surprise attack from Vegeta.
Okay, and? I'm repeatedly trying to push it through your thick skull that it WASN'T a surprise attack because Black SAW Trunks coming BOTH times.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You actually think that's what that whole fight was about in the anime? That's all you took from it? Really? What a fascinating opinion, we're all so much better off for you're having shared that. Cigars for everyone! It's a BOY!!!
Stop replying to him. This thread was doing so well compared to that shitty anime thread that devolved into fights. Just ignore him, it's probably the OP angry about his thread dying.
Can someone please Photoshop the blue Costanza background and a baseball bat in his hand?
Stop being retarded, the first time he got the drop on both Black and Zamasu from behind and Black barely saw him through the corner of his eye before he got punched in the face.
The second time Trunks attacks Black while he's focused on attacking Goku in the time machine. He gets few punches and then Black easily pins him down.
You're the one being retarded.
How can you not understand that Black is literally HUNDREDS of times stronger than Trunks is at this particular moment?
It's not a surprise attack the moment Black sees him (which he does, both times). He should have easily been able to turn around and block the attack. Why? Because he's much faster and much stronger than Trunks is.
But Beerus killing Zamasu creating a new timeline makes no fucking sense. How is the act of destruction create a timeline where Zamasu is alive?
I thought the manga would fix this powerlevel.
> no love for trunks
But Trunks going back in time isn't what changes the timeline, considering there were only four when Gowasu checked them for the first time here >>152472107 It's Beerus destroying Zamasu that changes the timeline most likely, since that's what Toei went with, so it's probably in Toriyama's notes.
>B-But Black isn't smug in the m-manga! T-Toyotaro a hack!
Thanks all, but I've already seen Ch 20. It popped up in Korean & Japanese though, so going to wait and see if @Herms98 will translate it.