To avoid flame-wars, discuss the DBS ANIME.
If it wasn't for Toyotaro and Shueisha stepping in, I am afraid to think of what we would've gotten next arc.
we just got the manga raws if people want to discuss the manga let them. just stop hating on them for doing so. inb4 stupid toyoshill
fuck i like the anime but i know its always the same butthurt samfag who derails thread its part of the franchsie so let it be
>Toyotards got the last thread deleted
Thanks you retards.
>Mangacucks literally so angry they're trying to spam selectively bad webms/screenshots in a thread not made for them
Who upset you so much?
Who hurt you?
Did Toei fuck your girl lmao
DBS in general is shit as a battle manga, it fails to make fights compelling and interesting.
All you need to know is that bigger ki wins.
This is true even for the Hit vs Goku fight.
I like how people pretend hit's ability is genius battle writing when in both fucking versions it fails because Goku's powerlevel is bigger.
>implying it wasn't the same old 1 "Toeichad"
>mfw Mangacucks are bumping my thread with webms from the show this thread was made to discuss instead of discussing their preferred product in their own thread
I have successfully domesticated them.
Except toyobros make the threads good enjoying the manga. Anime is even blamed for toeishills
How about we discuss the actual anime before toyocucks ruin the thread again?
Favorite DBS fight scene?
>Who upset you so much?
Toei, for making a shitty sequel to one of my favorite manga.
>enter a thread not made for you
>bump it repeatedly by posting images, gifs and webms from the show it was made to discuss
>be so mad you don't understand how hard you've been BTFO
How long until you retreat with tears in your eyes?
Toyocucks getting absolutely obliterated by themselves with every post they make rn
Since this thread was ruined by autistic toyocucks:
Toyotaro's manga is shit:
> Retconned Beerus' comment about Goku absorbing SSG
> Goku vs Hit, the climax of the Champa arc was underwhelming
> SS2 Trunks >= SS3 Goku is stupid
> Present Zamasu never fought Goku. Discovered him though godtube...but he wasn't impressed with Vegeta's god ki or Hit?
> No Human Resistance to provide motivation
> No Future Yajirobe
> Manga in general feels rushed
> Lack of slice of life and comfy scenes/episodes (only Beerus Kart?)
> Black lost his flamboyant personality
> Black is still smug sometimes, but it's toned down significantly
> Stupidly ridiculous zenkai boost (SS >>>> SSB)
Good thing it's just promotional material anyway
It's amazing how much of a tantrum they work THEMSELVES into.
I genuinely believe the diehard mangafags are the pedros/joses of the DB fanbase.
Lets see if they stop posting for 20 minutes to jerk off.
>Good thing it's just promotional material anyway
> It's published in V-Jump
V-Jump is a monthly publication, and is Shueisha's multimedia-focused magazine (primarily for video game coverage, but also to help promote their various properties). It's not where their properties LIVE, it's where their properties get PROMOTED. V-Jump has decent circulation, but it's not a primary location that Shueisha publishes manga within. The big one is, obviously enough, Weekly Shonen Jump; that's where Dragon Ball was originally serialized, and it's where all the actual heavy-hitters go. If you're big-time, you're not in V-Jump. You're in V-Jump if you're supplementing or promoting something else. It's for spin-offs and sequels, not main products.
> It's not a stand-alone product in and of itself
The earlier Battle of Gods manga chapters jump all over the place, and though it's a continuing story, for a little bit there it doesn't literally go from the exact same setup/scene to the next appropriate scene on a chapter-by-chapter basis. Once you get past that, you suddenly skip an entire story arc. Unless you understand what the Dragon Ball Super manga is, and can contextually place it among the other stuff going on and being released, it's not the easiest thing in the world to follow. Sure, you can fill in the holes on your own, but an actual story doesn't get written that way when it's supposed to stand on its own.
> We were told it was a "comicalization" from the start
Right with the first chapter, Toyotaro said:
"Getting to see a new DB anime series every week makes me too happy! With this comicalization, I want to make my own small contribution to the excitement, so everyone please check out the manga, too!"
You have to read between the lines there a little bit, but not so much that it's not clear: the manga isn't the main product here.
Dragon Ball Manga is so big it can move it's own volumes for monthly sales.
>there is literally one mangacuck crying literal tears of literal rage spamming in an anime thread trying to derail
Can we ban this guy? He's just making the already-low-tier manga fanbase look stupid.
Point is Toriyama himself works on the manga and next arc the anime is going to follow suit from the team at Shueisha.
Shueisha/VJump's Dragon Ball Room already credited as the Planning Coordinators of the tv show too now.
>"I wanted to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with the help from Shueisha's excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend"
>no mention of Toei
TOEISHILLS BTFO BY TORIYAMA HIMSELF.
will your kys when the next arc is based on the manga's storyboards?
>last thread gets nuked
>same anime vs manga autists still spamming their shit
Why? Especially the one who has been posting the same exact webms in every thread for the past few months now. It's spam at this point.
Watch this one get nuked too. What a fucking joke these threads have become.
>Point is Toriyama himself works on the manga
Very minimal stuff like giving his "okay", fixing some sketchs, and helping with humor since apparently Toyo (the DBAF edgelord) lacks any sense of humor
Shueisha/VJump's Dragon Ball Room is going to be working with BOTH Toyo and Toei. It's not one-sided
>Anime is not canon
THIS IS WHAT TOYOTARDS ****ACTUALLY**** BELIEVE!
>promotional material for the anime
> *citation needed*
This meme started after the reveal poster in V Jump but they never even used the word anime.
>the manga is promotional material for the anime
Thats why the anime is following the manga from now on ? you cuck
Toyo said he will be the one giving information to toei requested by the dragonball room because toei fucked up the trunks arc.
No why would I
idc about the irrelevant manga lmao
Nobody cares, manga is secondary, your tears sustain my BASED anime thread, thanks
This triggers toyocucks
I love gohan being a waste of space in the anime keep it up dead character
This is the one poster that people try to misquote on purpose, there's no official statement about it being a promotional material for the ANIME whatsoever.
C O M I C A L I Z A T I O N
Reminder anime is full of filler crap and not canon.
> cant sustain ss
WRONG all toei filler to make gohan look bad and anyone enjoying this crap is a sry excuse of a human being
>all toei filler to make gohan look bad
Even in Z, Gohan made himself look bad
>yfw Toeichads won
Can we just take a moment to pat ourselves on the back?
We did it, boys. Mangacucks are literally our bitches.
How do you feel?
FELLOW TOEICHADS POST
GOHAN BEING BULLIED TO TRIGGER THE TOYOSPERG
HE'S STILL HERE BROS
HE'S GETTING BTFO AND HE'S STILL BUMPING OUR THREAD AS HIS DEAD ONE LIES IN THE DUST
This is canon hahahaha
Suck it up
>Hit got weaker
Hence why Goku doesn't need Kaioken anymore.
>Goku somehow became ten times stronger with barely any training and no zenkai
Top kek face it Toei made anime Hit weaker.
You can actually pinpoint the moment where gohan was gone forever.
>I-I-IT'S ALL TOEI!!! I SWEAR!!!
Mad that Manga Goku is a weakling?
Toyocucks will defend this trash of a character
>Mad that Manga Goku is a weakling?
Nah Manga Goku is fine it's anime Goku that's the problem, but nice try at attempting to change the subject.
My fav gohan getting btfo moment
Sorry, did I insult your husbando?
>scene to change the topic
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.
>It's almost like you forget Dragon Ball is a gag series
That doesn't really excuse shit characterization.
>Talk about the kettle calling the pot black
Why can't you accept that Goku became more powerful then?
>That doesn't really excuse shit characterization
What's wrong with that scene? It's not like Goku is worried about Zeno, so seeing Beerus overreacting is amusing
>for some reason, there's people who think being promotional is relevant
Why? Toriyama choose the canon, he doesn't care what version is promotional or not, manga is his issue, the version he likes, the version which count with his chosen succesor, the version he checks every chapter. Why you people lose your time arguing about if is promotional or not?
at least the original series had canon panels to replicate from the manga.
comparing this >>152468646
You ever just suddenly have so much respect and admiration for those Dragonball fan episodes people used to do in Flash? Cause wow Goku you've been hittin' the roids and meth kinda hard. Lookin for some new Zenkai method I guess? Also, ow, those shoe sizes.
SoL pussy detected. All those fuckin Tennis games and bike marathons. Such imaginative writing definitely more substantial than a fictional universe where almost everything is specific to that world. Go do some math you right brain autist.
Reminder: This grimer is a late stage GT boss.
Its a shame they all suck because the Shadow Dragons were actually a cool idea
The main reason why GT sucks ass hard and will always be terrible is because Goku charged Super 17 with all his energy and then beat him with a fucking punch, an energy punch which he could absorb. Dafuq is that nonsense.
>hurr durr the writing is shit b-bbut it's cool anD flashly unlike the manga!!!!
Blame Toriyama for care about the manga, anon. Is he who decide
>Super addresses literally every complaint fans have bitched about for years
>bbut its cool and flashy
Consider this, fighters now use tactics besides scream and attack. Characters besides Goku get storylines laden with nostalgia and inside jokes and even defeat bosses. Yamucha is cool again. It's more comedy and not all grim serious boss rushes. Insight into Saiyan family life.
Fucking tie ins from Galactic Patrol and Doctor Slump. You have shit taste Super is everything a true DB fan could ask for.
Remember when Piccolo actually resembled the genius tactician he is painted as by overwhelming a stronger enemy with quick thinking and tricky moves
Ok so Frost was a cheater but listen Piccolo still won the actual fight through tactics. Shit would never have flown with Frieza in DBZ.
here is how canon works
If the original creator did it its canon
If it was supervised and approved by the creator but mostly someone else its ALSO CANON Toriyama laid the skeleton of that story Toyo was just given some creative freedom because Toriyama is old and wants DB to reach future generations so he is grooming a replacement and slowly giving him creative control.
Now if it uses licensed characters but the creator didn't supervise or write it its not canon i.e. GT and all movies prior to BotG.
>Toriyama laid the skeleton of that story Toyo was just given some creative freedom
This is true for Toei as well in regards to DBS
> Now if it uses licensed characters but the creator didn't supervise or write it its not canon i.e. GT and all movies prior to BotG.
Right, GT and M1-M13 aren't canon
Kishimoto and Oda have nothing to do with their animes besides watching them. Oda approves filler Devil fruits to make sure they aren't meant for someone down the line thats it.
Toriyama is GOAT
>If it was supervised and approved by the creator but mostly someone else its ALSO CANON
So DBO is canon then?
>manga is supervised by Toriyama every chapter, anime not
>Toriyama is pleased with the manga
>Toyotaro is officially called "Toriyama's sucessor"
>Toriyama even said Toyotaro is who have the mantle of draw DB manga now
>Toriyama, who write the original DBS story, even suggest Toyotaro, his pupil, to put his own ideas in the story
Why I would think manga isn't the canon version? Because Toei cares more about make money with anime?
In the beginning the manga was more canon, but then Toriyama wasn't pleased with toei's handling of the anime and rewrote all the future arcs personally which is why he is credited as the sole author of the anime now.
Since he left to stop Toei from ruining the anime he promoted Toyo from illustrator to ward and now Toyo is allowed to make changes if Toriyama approves them. Toryiama is still credited as the sole author of the manga as well.
Only the ones after the start of the saiyan arc. If he was eating the ones before that he would remember Lunch.
>manga is supervised by Toriyama every chapter, anime not
Toriyama forgets everything, and encourages Toyo to include his own OC
> Toriyama is pleased with the manga
And? All we know about the anime is that he wasn't pleased with the movie re-tellings
> Toyotaro is officially called "Toriyama's sucessor"
Makes sense, since Toyo is handling the manga. Why would an anime studio be a mangaka's "successor"?
> Toriyama even said Toyotaro is who have the mantle of draw DB manga now
Yes. I also wouldn't pick any other guy to draw the DBS manga, since his style is close to Toriyama's
> Toriyama, who write the original DBS story, even suggest Toyotaro, his pupil, to put his own ideas in the story
He kinda has to since Toriyama only provided a skeleton script to both Toyotaro and Toei
> Why I would think manga isn't the canon version?
1) V-Jump is a promotional magazine
2) It's not a stand-alone product in and of itself
3) Toyotaro himself called the manga a "comicalization" of the anime. Meaning the anime is the primary product.
Well continuing to list sources is pointless actually because I checked and every source you can possibly find will say the exact same thing that Toriyama is the sole author. And not only that but that he rewrote the scripts meaning the words they are speaking with Toriyamas words in many cases. No other anime has the original author writing the scripts.
For those who don't understand the difference between script writing and story writing, script writing is literally just formatting for easy reading. That means Toriyama didn't even trust them to transcribe for him.
>Toriyama forgets everything
Not an argument
Canon is Toriyama's choice, so what version Toriyama think is better (and closer to his mind) is relevant
>Why would an anime studio be a mangaka's "successor"?
Why are you even say this? Isn't about if Toyotaro or Toei is chosen as sucessor (because as you said, Toei is a fucking studio), is just about how nobody should be called necessarily "Toriyama's pupil/sucessor/whatever" but Toyotaro is
>I also wouldn't pick any other guy
Thanks to supporting the relevant point "Toriyama is pleased"
>Toriyama only provided a skeleton script to both Toyotaro and Toei
That's the point, we know since the first chapter/episode that Toriyama provide scrips and the writters (Toei writters and Toyotaro) fill it, and now months after that Toriyama is personally encouraging Toyotaro to put his ideas in the manga, he's literally saying he wants make the story with his pupil (also next anime arc will use Toyotaro's works so finally master and pupil are the source for the anime), or his whole comentary would be pointless because Toyotaro was already filling his "skeleton script".
>V-Jump is a promotional magazine
>It's not a stand-alone product
>anime is the primary product
So just that "is promotional so not canon" bullshit again? I already talked about it. Blame Toriyama for care so much about the manga.
The whole point of Toyo filling in the skeleton script imo is so that Toriyama can correct him when he feels it truly doesn't fit that way he will have a better sense when it truly passes on to him. This Tori no Toyo shit is nonsense. It's Toriyama-ou and Toyotaro-ouji.
there are no animefags there are just DB fans and one persistent troll.
The manga thread is filled with actual discussion and very few shitposters/arguments. This fucking cancer is just
>not an argument
>I accept your concession xD
Fuck anime fans.
Read the thread. Scroll up.
It's the mangafags that usually start the cancerous wars
> *New chapter is out*
> "Toyo making a SS >>>> SSB sucks"
> "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG! REEEEEEEEEE *posts Freeza.webm*
>encouraging Toyotaro to put his ideas in the manga, he's literally saying he wants make the story with his pupil
You say that like its a good thing
Also you seem obssessed with the whole "Master Toriyama and Pupil Toyotaro"
I doubt Toriyama actually teaches Toyataro anything. Only that he makes corrections.
>How can anyone argue that Griffith did anything ethically wrong? I mean, on a really shortsighted, temporary and mortal level, he did what was "morally" wrong. However, if he told all his troops that their lives are his, and that they can't join unless they are willing to give up their lives for his ambition, did he really do anything that lied or went against that creed?
>Not really. The pacing imo is perfect, it's a mistery story so you have to recompose the puzzle until the end when everything gets explained but you will realize you could have figured out everything and there never was anything that didn't serve a purpose.
>This mess right here with all of you
>Another day in betrayal purgatory
can someone give a rough translation
From previous threads, more or less, Krillin and Goku go to train with Roshi. Roshi gives them some herb (or sends them to find some herb), and they end up in some forest where they fight old villains (Piccolo, Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and Buu)
when i read goku and krillin are gonna train i thought krillin could learn a thing or two about ki and get stronger
but instead we get goku and krillin getting high in nature
>anime thread dying
>manga thread succeeding
Like God intended
>Also less cancerous mangafags starting 'anime v manga' wars is a plus
The entire thread was anime vs manga wars while the mangathread had a chill atmosphere and some good discussions, the shit starter got ignored for most of it
Makes you think.
Was that your goal? Cause I could always just shit up and ruin every manga thread like you do to all the anime ones.
Feels like we're getting shafted with this lightning rod bringing all the shitpost here and nobody shitting their thread up.
Former enemies await Goku and Krillin! Goku has gone with Krillin to train again under Master Roshi. The two of them are ordered to search for a medicine called “Paradise Grass”, and head for a frightful forest! There they end up fighting against illusions of the likes of Frieza and Majin Buu that suddenly appear…?!
The fearful forest test! What are these fearsome foes that they meet…?! Illusions of rivals suddenly appear?! Frieza, Buu, Piccolo, and even Vegeta attack them!
Faced with these powerful enemies, Goku is thrilled while Krillin is scared?!
Krillin this week: in the face of battle, he loses the will to fight?! Krillinis gripped with fear at the prospect of fighting against his previously defeated rivals. Once he clears out these thoughts, the very next moment a change occurs in his enemies…!”
>Goku wins tournament
>God from his opponent's universe kills off his opponent who was weakened from the fight
>Goku gets pissed and attacks god
>He manages to overpower him, but then god tries to use his special destruction move on him
>Beerus stops him and tells him he is a fucking disgrace for losing to mortal and not worthy to be god of destruction
Except animefags were trying to derail it, and they got ignored. But in this thread, the only people who posted were people who wanted to argue
The answer is clear. Even now, this thread was dying a slow death until you got antagonized again. Meanwhile mangathread is on it's second thread.
Manga threads wont discuss it because they know. Anime threads can show endless proof for everything they say. But you will just say
>[source] even if 3 are sited because you are a shit poster and you found people who will validate your need for attention.
Thats why you bump the thread with more shitpost if no on posts awhile. they got nothing to say to your ass in the manga thread.