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There are people who dislike Rebellion >2017 Shiggy diggy /a/

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There are people who dislike Rebellion
>2017
Shiggy diggy /a/
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>>152449489
homu is best girl this movie proves it
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I'll be honest, story is good.

The girls are cute and kept me hooked in though.
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I don't dislike Rebellion. I dislike that shitty sequel bait ending.
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It's main flaw is that it relies too heavily on crazy InuCurry visual symbolism to explain Homura's motivation [which makes sense and could have easily been anticipated by anyone who paid attention to the TV show] instead of balancing the script and the visuals like the TV series did.

That, and we'll never get a sequel because SHAFT spent too long milking Monogatari and Butcher wandered off to play with puppers.

But goddamn, is that movie pretty.
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It was a shitty movie compared to the TV show and as pointed in >>152450472
didn't balance the visuals and script like the series.

It tries to act intellectual while excessively pandering to the audience and spending too much time in fanservice. The twist was seen a mile away and the Kyubeys were a much worse enemy this time. They revealed their plan and relied on Homura accepting, didn't even think of what to do if she rejected joining with Madoka and were just passive spectators instead of being the manipulative schemers of the series.

Definitely a let down compared to the series. Fucking Nagisa wasn't even needed there and was just excuse for more pandering and merchandise, same with Hitomi, Kyousuke and the teacher.
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>>152451778
that about sums it up
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Rebellion is a great pleb filter.
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>>152449489
It made homu a shit
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>>152451778
I agree except for the incubator part. Their plan was flawless from their point of view. They didn't expect Madoka to be wise to their plan. They didn't expect the girls to fuck them in the ass. They definitely didn't expect Homura to fuck the universe in the ass.
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I liked how Mami hummed her theme.
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The movie had amazing visuals and a strong premise: girl turns herself into a monster to bring her dead best friend back to life. Unfortunately, Shaft mishandled Homura's motivations, and in the end her actions appear weakly-reasoned. I.E., they wanted us to think Homura believed Madoka was miserable as a goddess. Why couldn't they come up with stronger evidence than a scene where a lobotomized Madoka tells Homura "making you feel bad would make me feel bad"? Seriously? Shaft, you're telling me Homura decided to break Madoka's wish because of such a banal reason? No, that's fucking stupid.

Homura spends much of the movie acting as though Madoka's new world is sacred and must be protected. Shaft intended for Homura to reach the conclusion of “Oh who am I kidding? I'd totally violate her wish if it meant I could get Madoka back,” but all we get to indicate her decision is a single vague throwaway line from Homura as she is being rescued from her witch. This is the kind of plot point that deserved an entire scene by itself.

Shaft never bothered to explain just how Homura managed to achieve such a drastic universal change. Yes, in the end the answer is “It's magic lol” but here's the thing: in order for an ending to make sense, the audience needs to feel like they could have predicted it. Take the ending of the TV: we understand the rules for wishes, we understand that they WILL have negative side-effects, we understand not only that Madoka has a large capacity for change but also WHY she has that ability. With what we were given, it was possible to infer what the ending would be. But with Rebellion, none of this is established, and Homura's actions comes across as convenient BS. Imagine if, in the original series, they had cut out all parts where Kyubey explains that Madoka has a large potential, that wishes will backfire, as well as how Homura gave Madoka her powers: the ending would've been viewed as complete bullshit that the writer thought of on the spot.
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>>152451778
>hitomi
>kyousuke
>teacher
>merchandise

>>152450050
fpbp
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>>152453389
Those are the chief flaws of the movie, but there were others too. Why is Homura acting like a smarmy cunt with a just-as-keikaku smile? Why is Sayaka so mad at Homura for creating an escapist world when she was pushing for Homura to stay in her barrier as long as she could in the beginning? Why even bother pushing a Sayaka vs Homura vs Madoka conflict for any reason other than to set up a sequel? Overall, the loose ending makes the whole movie frustrating as we wait years for a sequel with a proper conclusion, that may end up being utter shit anyways.

Whatever, at least Homu's interesting now.
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>>152449489
It was decent but an entirely unnecessary and good looking cash grab.
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>>152453389
she's a traumatized impulsive rationalizer who could barely hold it together, that's her entire character in the series

protecting madoka's world was the latest coping mechanism - there was no stronger evidence because none was required. she could've gone off at any moment, and finally does (setting the second act into motion)

the movie has many other issues but the main characterization worked
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>>152453389
I'm unsure whether or not this is bait to which I'd simply reply (n)deep(n+2)u, but I'm bored enough to give a serious reply.

>Homura decided to break Madoka's wish because of such a banal reason
Homura feels guilty for putting Madoka into a position where she had to become god. Being god sucks because she has to bear the despair of all magical girls, she's alone in that she's a single collective assimilation of all magical girls, and she loses her happy worldly life. She's not miserable because she has effected positive change, but it's hardly smiles and sunshine. Homura could have averted this if she was strong enough to defeat Walpurgisnacht, so she feels the need to right her wrong.

>Homura spends much of the movie acting as though Madoka's new world is sacred
Because Homura's entire existence revolves around Madoka and she's in a world in which Madoka does not physically exist. The only connection she has to Madoka is a religious one, acted out by piously upholding Madoka's ideal. She's powerless to do anything but that, until...

>Shaft never bothered to explain just how Homura managed to achieve such a drastic universal change
Homura and Madoka are inexorably tied by fate. The reason Madoka is so powerful is because Homura's timeloops revolved around Madoka. Homura basically pulled the string and stole Madoka's power with love. Homura doesn't gain power out of nowhere; she seizes Madoka's power via an already established karmic connection.

And finally, the Incubators posed an active threat to Madoka. Even if they were defeated in the present, there is nothing stopping them from revising their methods and trying again. Homura had to decisively end their menace. Combine that with the aforementioned points, and Homura's actions make perfect sense.
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>>152454910
>Homura feels guilty for putting Madoka into a position where she had to become god.
Never once did Madoka indicate she was unhappy being a goddess though, regardless of the responsibility it entailed. (No, the flower field scene doesn't count because Madoka doesn't have her memories there.) The lengths Homura goes to in order to "save" her from that fate is ridiculously out of proportion from what we the audience understand that fate to be. The movie should have narrowed the gap between Homura's actions and the audience's ability to sympathize with them, and the fact that it didn't is a flaw of the movie.

>Homura spends much of the movie acting as though Madoka's new world is sacred because Homura's entire existence revolves around Madoka and she's in a world in which Madoka does not physically exist.
I wasn't questioning whether or why Homura considered Madoka's world sacred, I was miffed that the only indication we got that Homura was willing to violate that sacredness (before her demon transformation) was contained in a single minor line that was never even acknowledged by the other characters. That's why I said it deserved its own scene.

>Homura and Madoka are inexorably tied by fate. The reason Madoka is so powerful is because Homura's timeloops revolved around Madoka.
This is pure head-canon-level speculation. It's not unreasonable speculation though, and if the movie had bothered to give this as an explanation I would have accepted it, but again, the fact that no explanation was given is a fault of the movie.

>And finally, the Incubators posed an active threat to Madoka. Even if they were defeated in the present, there is nothing stopping them from revising their methods and trying again.
I agree that this would be a good reason for Homura to do what she did, but Homura never indicates that this factored into her decision.
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The first half was good.

The second not so much.
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>>152455791
>This is pure head-canon-level speculation
nope. it's text in the show
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>>152455791
>Never once did Madoka indicate she was unhappy being a goddess though
Because the positive consequences were worthwhile in Madoka's mind. She doesn't resent the decision, but that doesn't mean all is well. Madoka doesn't have her memories in the flower field scene, but that does not invalidate the notion that separation from family and friends is painful.

>only indication we got that Homura was willing to violate that sacredness
Her perspective changes in response to new knowledge.

>This is pure head-canon-level speculation
Kyubey states it in episode 11.

>but Homura never indicates that this factored into her decision
What, do you think she enslaved them out of vindictiveness?
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>>152451778
>It tries to act intellectual while excessively pandering to the audience and spending too much time in fanservice.
/thread
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>>152449489
I don't hate it. I think the entire series is worth it just for how fucking Great rebellion is. The TV series had kinda eeeh moments at time but every single Rebellion scene is fucking great. To the point that, while I have watched the TV series maybe 4 times, I've rewatched Rebellion like 10 times already.

It's a masterpiece in many ways, and I don't even mean that in a meme way.
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>>152451778
>>152456733
t. butthurt madokami worshippers
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I liked rebellion.
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>>152449489
But Rebellion was great. Yes there are parts that does get tedious rewatching it, but for the most part it is enjoyable.
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>>152450472
Don't ever talk bad about Inu Curry again or I'll find you and I'll hurt you.
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>>152450472
>That, and we'll never get a sequel
Anon, you haven't been keeping up.
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>>152459138
The visuals are the only thing universally praised about the franchise. The rest is hit/miss for people
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>>152449489
The best part of this movie is the transformation sequence and the part where they sing the song about cake
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>>152450472
>the main flaw of a visual medium is relying too heavily on its visual
u w8 m8

>which makes sense and could have easily been anticipated by anyone who paid attention to the TV show
There's no problem there then.

>>152451778
Playing around with the medium isn't being intellectual. It's just you having no imagination and lacking creativity.
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>>152459799
>Playing around with the medium
The theory that Homura's labyrinth is just a play on fanservice and expectations for sequels is creative but doesn't really do it for me

If that's not what you mean, I'm curious as to what you are
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>>152459000
So upon the new year how many times did you rub your lady parts while thinking of Kyoko? It has been about 20 days so 70 times?
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>>152449489
It's pretty for a fanfic-tier movie.
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I never watched it because the TV series ending was bad enough to make me not care about it.
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Madoka has been indisputable AOTD for 10s but LWA may top it
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I only realized how terrible the move is after I re-watched the TV anime.
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I very much disliked the direction it put the series in it strayed from its roots a good bit and the 4th movie will go even farther this will repeat till its a shell of its former self and completely milked of any value cuz Aniplex is shit.
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Rebellion was fantastic. There's a lot of lore and artistic, character and environmental detail put into the movie that many watchers might miss out on and fail to appreciate. I just think the people who dislike it either hate its popularity or didn't like the unexpected ending.
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>>152460694
All are great.
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>>152459664
Who was the cake?
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>>152458405
Me too
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>>152449489
It was simply an exercise in pandering.
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>>152449489
Hey anons.
I just finished watching the series - can I watch rebellion without watching the first two films if I've seen the series?
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>>152463170
you can. The first two movies are really good for what's basically recap of the anime.

Rebellion didn't really add to my enjoyment of the series, but I wouldn't say that it was a bad movie. It just felt a little unnecessary.
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>>152463170
The two movies are recaps with some things improved here and there and some deleted scenes.
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>>152450050
She is one of the best girls, definitely.

>>152459000
That is a really cute Kyouko you posted. I really love the expression on her face.

>>152460817
That Homu is very cute, too. I wish I could be on the right side of the screen and be there to give her a hug once she pops out of the void.
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>>152463332
All was good.
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>>152463378
You have not answered >>152460531

>>152464114
You should see Kyokos face when she and Apple are doing naughty things.
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>>152450472
cant handle the SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT
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>>152449489
It ruined a lot of meanings and symbolisms from the original tv series, so I reserve the right to.

Wanna hear an example? Orifginally Sayaka used an fire extinguisher against Homura (whose name means flame), then in this lousy film she does it against Mami who has nothing that associates her with fire. Lame and far inferior to the series, much like the rest of it.
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>>152463163
This
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>>152466251
Do you always have to be like that?
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>>152466253
Shut yo DAMN mouth!
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>>152467183
You're kinda narrow on the viewpoints, green antagonist, but I applaud your loyalty to the artistic intent on display.
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Is Meguca great again?
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>>152470951
Are you implying that they stopped being great?
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Lot of hot opinions in this thread. Care to make any actual arguments or will you keep screaming
>muh PANDERING
until the end of time?
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>>152449489
Rebellion was fucking awful and I'm sick of idiots jacking off over it. It shits all over the original series for the sake of milking a cash cow, it's full of fanservice and pandering, many important aspects of the story make no fucking sense, basically it should have never been made so of course there's going to be a 4th movie to beat that dead horse even further.
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>>152471033
They are great but we haven't seen anything new from them in a while. They will be made great again with the new movie.

Also, why is Kyouko walking the opposite direction of everyone else? Is she a scatterbrain?
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>>152471210
That's probably true, but no one makes you watch the movies. I always though Rebellion to be kinda semi-canon thing made for people who only watched the movies and so in my little bubble of a world it doesn't even tie into the good stuff.
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>>152471825
Unless she collects those after devouring the previous owners, unobjectively wrong.
>Isn't that cute but it's
>WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
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>>152473301
But you admit it is cute.
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>>152449489
>2017
>still trying this hard
Rebellion was shit. Please stop pushing it.
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This will be the last one for today.
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>>152476476
Why?
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>>152477869
Die.
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>>152455791
>Never once did Madoka indicate she was unhappy being a goddess
Never once did Madoka indicate she was unhappy about getting herself murdered in the first timeline
That's the kind of person Madoka is
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