The Japanese Market Question

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>>152388013

Buy it yourself, duh. We live in such times it's easy to import shit even to third world.

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>>152388013
>>This sold 883
>>yuri on ice sold 50,000
Thank you, Japan. For once you did something right.

>we shouldn't stand for this
There is no we, go back to eating burgers and mind your own damn business.

>>152388013
Why do you care about what sales or not?

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>>152388076
but you're wrong

>>152388173
No, you are.

FF was a mistake, not even Rolling Girls tier, let alone compared to better shows like Kyousogiga. It didnt even deserve Fractale 883 sales, since Fractale was in objectively EVERY aspect superior - from animation, visuals, characters, music to story.

Thankfully, Handshakers this season shows how REALLY good original ambitious projects should be.

>>152388013
We all know nips have horribly bad taste.

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>>152388013
If nothing else at least I can say that one of my favourite anime is cool and unknown.

>>152388277
They might, but how is that related to this specific case? Bad show flopped as laws of nature dictate.

>>152388013
>we
Fuck off.

>>152388013
>Killing 127 million people for the crimes of 50,000 fujos

>/u/ shitter mad his FOTM show sold like shit

>>152388313
It explains the schism between /a/ opinion and the nip's opinion. Whilst I agree the show wasn't great, it was well liked here.

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>>152388013

Japanese Otakus were always known for their shit taste.

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>>152388147
profits means we get more like it
fujoshi sales dominance means more gay figure skating in the future
less deep technicolor psychedelic adventures about girls who love love love love each other

>>152388258
>Fractale
>better story
that's only because not everyone has seen the whole story, they haven't watched all 26 episodes!

You should lick fujos feet for single handedly saving anime.

>>152388013
Those character designs were fugly

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you're basically
>waaaaaah why didn't my pretty colors sell anything

Elevens confirming you're shit taste.

>>152388345
>it was well liked here.
Stop this meme. The FF circlejerk is just autistic FF circlejerk. One of the most obnoxious even, since they continue shitposting even after the show ended and flopped. One needs true dedication to steal title of worst fanbase of the year from re:zero.

>>152388013
This looks so damn bland and the animation on the hair is terrible, it's like the hair is running at 2fps

>>152388355
Fujoshi memes have going on for many years but otaku still reign supreme.

>>152388355
"Oh no", we'll get a bunch of bland homo stuff instead of perfumed bland homo stuff.

>>152388013
>yuri on ice sold 50,000
That was almost two weeks ago.

>10 copies

>>152388013
Thank god that trash didn't sell. It doesn't deserve any.

>>152388377
You realize this argument about an autistic circlejerk can be applied to any show, right? Are you really so angry about people disagreeing with you about the quality of a show?

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>all these FliFLa haters
>they probably don't even know who the ep3 PI belonged to

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>>152388484
>Are you really so angry about people disagreeing with you about the quality of a show?

>>152388484
Only if you're applying it incorrectly.

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>>152388013
I knew this was going to be fucking Flip Flappers. We get your favorite show tanked so please stop bringing up all the time. In reality there were many things better than Flip Flappers that should have surpassed YOI in sales. But Japs are retards so what are you gonna do?

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FliFla will become a cult series, don't worry. Also considering that it had no marketing, no big names behind it and is an original low sales were a given.

>>152388013
So instead of posting the amazing action sequence before this, or one of the well composed scenes that's a sort of visual metaphor, you pick this one to represent the show because it has two girls hugging, and you're a stupid fucking yurifag.

I hope we nuke your house next.

>>152388526
And when is it ever applied correctly?
It's just a way to dismiss a group of people liking something you don't

It is ironic that FF fags complain about Yuri on Ice selling, claiming it did because of fujoshis while reality is opposite.

Yuri on Ice was ambitious anime appealing to mainstream normalfags, executing well an extremely popular in Japan and World Wide topic of ice skating and portraying the scene quite well, also exxagerated. It had superb execution, was fun and succeeded for same reason Kimi no Namae does: it transcends the otaku stigma.

Meanwhile Flip Flappers is a niche title only for hardcore Otaku audience and REAL reason its only fans stuck with it as it aired was Yuri bait and sexualization of characters. It was not a deep show, did not had good plot, its visuals while ok were not enouth to make the show good.

So basically people who spend whole season posting about how they want to smell character butts and lesbian fanart are now buthurt an actual decent family friendly normalfag show sold better than it.

Flip Flappers is gay, dudes. Also get better at making webms. Making their resolution a bit bigger won't damage the quality in any discernable way.

>>152388635
>Yuri on Ice was ambitious
YOI is fine and all but it what way was it ambitious? All it's sales are a result of pandering to Fujos.

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>>152388635
I liked both shows but you gotta be a fucking weirdo not to smell the equal-level pandering stench.

>>152388679
What I will say in its defense is that it quits being pandering about 3 episodes in. That's when most fujos will be hooked. It's a very obvious marketing tactic, especially since they have the gayboy Victor naked in every other scene.

>>152388679
Thanks for illustrating my argument with live example.

While I hate fujoshi, my hate for yurifags burns infinitely brighter. This news is fucking amazing. I'm glad that Flip Flappers crashed and burned like trash. Yuri pandering garbage has flooded anime and manga for years now. Hopefully the fad will soon pass.

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>>152388013
Don't blame Fujo's for Flip Flappers flopping. They are totally different target demographics. But you know all this anyway and this is probably just another character assassination attempt. We didn't have a faggot spamming low resolution gif's and webm's without punctuation all season and one week after the show flops, you appear. Really makes me think.

>>152388013
Yuri on Ice was better than Flip Flappers

>>152388597
>anons insult each other all the time
>therefore the insults are never correct
No.

>>152388635
FF had legit better animation than YoI. though
And a show doesn't need to be deep or have a good plot to be good

>>152388679
>all result for pandering to fujos
You are way exaggerating things. I'm not watching YOI but i clearly know from the synopsis that it's about ice skating and not about gay romance theme. Can you plese drop your fujos google when posting.

>>152388715
Do you really think someones autism would go so far?
The anti-yuri shitter hasn't shown up in these threads, too

>>152388786
>FF had legit better animation than YoI.
Stopped reading here.

>>152388786
>FF had legit better animation than Yol
Not according to Crunchyroll.

Yuri on Ice was better than Flip Flappers.

Most things are better than Flip Flappers.

>>152388789
>I'm not watching YOI

>>152388786
They were both bad.

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>>152388258
But Rolling Girls was actually good.
>>152388328
That's about the level of hyperbole I've come to expect from this place, nothing new.

>>152388771
True. It's only correct when you use them, my friend. Specially meaningless buzzwords like
"autistic circlejerk"
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>>152388826
>using popularity votes as an argument
Thanks for confirming your retardation

>>152388013
#LoveWins
get over it, grandpa!

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>>152388635
>not a deep show, did not had good plot
honestly can't wait until some normie youtuber takes all the discoveries of the hardcore fans and then puts it into a normie-as-fuck breakdown video that goes big on reddit then all these FF haters will say they loved it all alongprobably under the title of "greatest anime nobody has ever heard of"
ep1-9 first layer of understanding unlocked -> ep10-13 second layer of (false)understanding unlocked"wtf what a shit ending" -> ep14-22 third layer of understanding unlocked -> ep23-26 4th and true understanding unlocked "wtf i love the ending now"

>>152388847
Why fujoshi fanbase is almost always so insecure when they're questioned.

>>152388848
FF was entertaining as fuck and looked great, the only exception being a couple of episodes in the finale. But most of the episodes looked amazing

>>152388855
If you can't separate an autistic circlejerk from random /a/ threads about whatever then you need to lurk more.

>>152388855
You presented retarded and wrong argument claiming FF has better animation than Yuri on Ice. You are wrong. Popularity has zero to do with it.

YoL had examples of QUALITY in secondary scenes, but overall it tops anything FF, or anything that season easily.

>>152388013
Yuri in shows with female MCs is predictable and lazy and it doesn't deserve better sales.

>>152388870
FF fags are same fags that say Kyousogiga TV plot was a mess. So your argument is invalid. They are physically incapable of following any actual plot and story.

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>>152388855
This thing needs an update
>If it parodies other shows, it's LOL SO RANDUM XD
>If it's a thread where people are happily discussing a show you don't like, it's a circlejerk

>>152388918
You used the CR popularity awards. Your shit's invalid. Now kill yourself. You'll probably think I'm homophobic for not treat Yaoi on Ice as a divine masterpiece
>>152388937
As are sport shows like YoI.

>>152388946
Except FF-fags are the ones that understood the plot the best by overanalyzing and predicting everything. The only non-shitposting opinion about the ending a flip flapper would hold is that the ending was rushed and/or had bad pacing, too much stuff crammed into too little time.

>>152388978
>You
Kill yourself.

All style no substance.

>>152388978
>As are sport shows like YoI.
That goes without saying.

>>152388892
You misunderstood me, I'm saying you dont watch YOI but came here saying that anon has to drop fujo googles when you, yourself havent watch it. Shit nigga, the gay scenes were too evident. Dont get me wrong I enjoyed YOI because its a take on an interesting sport and how shit works in it.

>that day when you realize LWA triggerdrones are lesser evil because cancer like FF fags exist

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>>152388786
>a show doesn't need to be deep or have a good plot to be good
BUT IT HAD THE DEEPEST AND THE BEST PLOT!

>the irony of everyone missing the actual depth of the plot because of the visuals
he folded the damn story over on top of itself using surrealism, tropes and the parallels in the nature of the medium and between dreams and dimensional travel to hide the seams
they even managed to fit in an episode that called out the entire industry of pandering to /u/ !
why can't you appreciate what he managed to accomplish?

every time you watch something new for the first time a transformative process takes place that makes the first experience more special than any other exprience!
but the way he folded it it made the second time the TRUE first time

Oshiyama is a god damn god
keep an eye on him!

>>152389098
>t. jojofags scapgoating

>>152388013
because flip flop was basically only animation, and didn't do anything other than that, while Gay o Ice, while lacking in animation, had better charcters amd overall story (than FlipFlop)

In actuality both were mediocre series at best, but YOI sold thanks to Fujosbuks,

Why do you expect yuri pandering to sell when we get 5-10+ yuri pandering shows every season now?

>>152389098
It becomes evident that this is someone giving flappers a bad name. Both shows share a lot of fans.

>>152388993

Well, that and that by the end, Cocona's driving motivation for the entire series appeared to be hanging out with her bestie.

For a show with teenage discovery and exploration as it's theme, they certainly didn't delve into the wants and desires Cocona had for her future. Most of the show was focused on her past.

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>>152388789
>fujo goggles
Not this time, anon.

>>152388013
Flip Flappers is a legitimately terrible show. Yuri on Ice is bad too, but it knew its audience at least.

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>>152389159
The ending gives a strange message, she still wasn't able to pick a school, instead she chose escapism in magical dimensions without pay

>>152389063
Just answer the question instead of moving the goal post.

>Salt banging and having a child with an experiment subject

Unethical scientist, Japan hates that shit.

If you can't name the owners of each illusion you have no right to call this anime shit.

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Miyazaki had a point

>>152388803
Are you referring to the person who politely informed everyone that yuri isn't the same as lesbians to Japanese people and never will be, and that only delusional western yurifags think there's any sort of actual romance in this show? Because that person provided links to Japanese sites to back up what he was saying, while yurifags here just scream angrily.

>>152389098
Honestly I loved the show to death. It's really just the stupid yurifags who shit up threads and make everyone hate fans of the show.

>>152388786
>FF had legit better animation than YoI. though

Absolutely not.

The best scenes in Flip Flappers can't even hold a candle to the best scenes in Yuri on Ice. Not only was the animation in YoI smoother, but the choreography and cinematography were so much better it's not even funny.

And you can post QUALITY screencaps from YoI all you want. They knew how to budget their animation. They focused on making the skating scenes look their best, and of the skaters they focused their attention most on the two Yuris. Mappa blew it out of the water.

>>152389271
I'm not part of fujo fanbase so I cant answer that, I didnt even go to the weekly episode YOI thread past episode 1, since I know it will turn shit with crossboarders and external sites cancer.

>>152389357
No, that anti-yuri shitter was against yuri in all its forms, as a matter of principle, for some reason. Don't really care about yuri either, though the interaction between Cocona and Papika was well done.

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>>152388013
>one good reason why we shouldn't nuke them a third fucking time

Because the outcome could be even worse. If two nukes made them as they are now imagine with three.

>>152389456
you know what i regret this
then we'll just get posers who didn't even watch the full 26 episodes

>>152389456
Most of this has been figured out after the episode aired.

Damn Flip Flapperfags are autistic as fuck. No wonder why nobody likes them.

>>152389489
Can at least try some punctuation and capitalization, if you don't want to give Flip Flappers a bad name?

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>my homosexual animation is better than your homosexual animation
Seriously though, yoi is shit. The only reason it doesn't get as much shitposting as it deserves is because most of our dedicated shit posters are fujoshits.

>>152389539
I save capitalization and punctuation for same-fagging.
Throws people off the trail.

>>152389108
I honestly can't tell if this post is satire or genuine idiocy.

>>152389567
No, you use it all the time so you don't look like some dirty phone poster or third world monkey.

>>152389287
They didn't have a problem with this research facility kidnapping babies and raising them as sacrificial guinea pigs. I imagine the gubmint had no idea about the whole operation.

Which is next-to-impossible, given the size and location of the facility. Japan is not a big island. Someone would have spotted that shit.

>>152389456
>It criticizes yuri for not committing to same sex relationships
>Except that the show didn't have any romantic or sexual relationships
>And the writer is on record as saying she's not a militant yuri-fag like she was when she was a kid and was silly enough to think that all yuri had to end in romantic relationships otherwise it wasn't real yuri
You could have just talked about how the episode was one of the only anime to do horror atmosphere correctly and how it was brilliantly directed, but no, it had to be about yuri fanfic.

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>YFW you realise the closest "Pure Illusion" adventure that matches was the Tropical Island Pure Illusion!
>But that wasn't pure illusion that was real life!
>Papika is so pure she doesn't need an illusion to escape to!
>The real world is her perfect dream world!

>>152389686
That episode was full of references to western horror movies, Copy pasting even framing and editing can't really be called "brilliantly directed", in fact most of Flip Flappers was like this, full of "homages", it never had a style of its own, that's why it flopped.

>>152388635
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>>152389358
Damn Yuri on Ice fags are autistic and delusional as fuck

>>152389879
>Sugar snow land

>>152389879
Just fuck off already.

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YoI was a good sport anime that happened to have suprise homo.

Fliflap was a good artsy anime that was really pretty.

Why are people mad at fujos for flipflap sales being bad? Is it because fujos didn't buy flipflap? If fujos bought flipflap instead of yoi, how would you know they are fujos? Who's to say there werent some that bought both? Why is there no blame on non-fujos for NOT buying but anger at fujos FOR buying something they like? I don't understand, is it jealously?

>>152389924
that was cocona
>sugar snow
it was coconut snow
sky as blue as her hair
cold and desolate and quiet just like the first scene we see her in, in that quiet cram school study room

>>152389967
>it was coconut snow
Where'd you read that from.
>sky as blue as her hair
THE FUCKING SKY IS BLUE IN GENERAL. HWAT?
>cold and desolate and quiet just like the first scene we see her in, in that quiet cram school study room
Except it's not cold and there's a herd of giant ass beasts living there and coating themselves in the sugar snow.

>>152388013
Your dyke shit will never be popular
Just kill yourself scum

FlipFlaps had a lot of similarities to Diebuster. Good start, weak characters, cool visuals, great hype moments, and an ending that made me facepalm so hard I thought I was gonna be hospitalized from the blunt trauma.

>>152388013
Getting mad people don't like what you like and getting mad at ehat they like? Sad.

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>>152390065
no other sky is this blue
the dreams she has on the lake full of mist is mimi's illusion
the mist clears up when she has her daughter back >>152388041

>>152390078
>Diebuster
>weak characters
Please.
Not that disliking the ending wasn't already bad enough.

>>152388786
FF was the deepest show this year. Everyone shitposting it simply doesn't get it sadly. Like people who call Eva meaningless because religious symbolism being there for aesthetic purposes, they can't engage with art on a meaningful level. Never take anyone talking about anime seriously if they use buzzwords like "plot", "character development", "generic", "mary-sue" or "nothing happens".

>>152390223
Nono was the only strong character. Everyone else was really bland or annoying. Dialogue and character are separate

>YoI had better animation than Flip Flappers

Dumb fujos

>>152389904
>That episode was full of references to western horror movies
Really? That looked a lot closer to most Japanese horror movies I've seen with the faceless girls and the doll, and seeing as the creators are Japanese, I'd say it was more just Japanese style than an homage to anything. Which scenes were copy pasted from western stuff?

>>152389950
>Why are people mad at fujos for flipflap sales being bad?
Stupid fanbase wars. I've heard YoI is good if you like skating, but I have no interest in that or fujo shipping so I didn't watch it. The anime isn't particularly offensive if it's not your thing. FF had really good art and animation and I liked the directing style a lot and sound cues. It sucks that it didn't make money, but now we know 3hz is a studio to keep an eye one. I've liked them since Sora no Method, but they really spread their wings here. This fujo vs yurifag shitposting is just fucking stupid.

>>152390078
>Diebuster
>Bad ending
>Flip Flappers
>Bad ending
Fuck off

>>152390078
>weak characters
>ending that made me facepalm
That's what you get for ending the show at episode 13.

The full characters are their worlds.
>bu goes into an illusion with them
>yet he isn't seen the entire time
>it's a giant city world that looks like a giant brain from afar
>the baddy is a giant humanoid stopping around
>pops is a little guy with an eye the same color as bu's shell and an eye the same color as his default eye

the spooky world belonged to the twins because they fit in perfectly
the white world belonged to yayaka and has the same ceiling as her changing room

>>152390329
>Complains about studiofagging
>Is a studio fag
>Isn't aware that most of what made FliFla good was made by freelancers, not 3hz employees
>Believes 3hz wasn't just hired to do the grunt work.

I believe you are retarded.

>>152388535
>low sales were a given
Untrue, even relatively recently YuYuYu had a disliked writer, minimal advertising and was an original and it sold 12,000 BDs. Hell, even Izetta, which had a shit-tier director and went to complete shit half way through, sold 2500. People just didn't like Flip Flappers.

Personally I thought it was mediocre, better than some series this season for sure so I don't know why it flopped so hard, but that's the way it goes I guess. If I had to say why I personally didn't like it, I'd say it felt 'empty' and I just couldn't force myself to care about what was happening on screen even though I tried.

>>152390249
Lal'c was just as good as Nono, unsurprisingly so since their relationship made the show. Nicola and Casio were interesting for the little space they were given. Only Thyco was somehow bland.
In general Diebuster didn't have many characters, but the character drama was top notch. Unsurprisingly, coming from the guy that wrote Utena and FLCL.

>>152390374
Takahiro writes Majikoi and Akame ga Kill he's not exactly disliked it unknown, Izetta had advertisement from War Game

>>152390345
Fuck off. Papi and Coco are terrible main characters, only waifufags try to deny it and they're treated like sub-humans for a reason. Their actual personalities were never the high point of FF, because it's the exact same 'genki weirdo autist meets shy introverted teenager' shit everyone's already seen a million times by now. It was moreso in the exploration of the world of Pure Illusion and the way the visuals and environment reflected their psyche in a surreal and appealing fashion. Once all that shit went out the window people were unable to ignore how bland and shitty the characters themselves were the vast majority of the FlipFlap circlejerk effectively disowned the latter half of the show.

>>152390367
>Saying that you like a studio is the same as saying "I participate in sales wars shitposting"
>3hz had nothing to do with it, I know because I've looked at all the story boards, concept art, pre-production work and read the cast interviews
Next time it would just be faster to say "I'm a fucking retard, look at me."

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People just assume because YOI had some homo moments in it that it was trash, Except that it was a really good anime with a perfect soundtrack and enjoyable surrounding characters.

Don't get fooled by the Victor/Yuuri gay shit you see everywhere, That isn't what makes YOI good.

>>152390464
>the vast majority of the FlipFlap circlejerk effectively disowned the latter half of the show
According to polls, most thought the plot episodes were weaker, but still great.
>latter half
Kinda talking out of your ass, aren't you?

>>152390492
>Storyboards
Not by 3hz
>Concept art
Not by 3hz
>Series directing
Not by 3hz
>Episode direction
Pretty sure not a single 3hz employee directed one
>Key animation
Looking at the huge list at the moment, so far can't find a single 3hz employee

Not to mention the series has over 30 production companies involved.

>>152390464
Reddit please go.

>>152390608
>Director and sound director both worked on Sora no Method
>It's not 3hz because even if they have a working relationship with them and are the same people that made the other 3hz show you mentioned, it doesn't count because they aren't exclusively 3hz employees
Again, next time just say "I'm a retard, look at me." and save us some time.

>>152390759
>I don't know what freelancer means

Just stop, you're making a fool of yourself. Fucking studiofag.

>>152390819
>Studio has certain people work on projects every time they do an anime original
>No! They aren't bound by contract to the studio so the studio gets no credit!
Is studiofag a new term you're trying to coin? It's not going to catch on since all you're doing is making a fool out of yourself. Enjoy your shitposting and pretending to be knowledgeable about anime production, though.

>>152390345

That's a cool detail that I missed. Thanks for that hint. I'll probably go speed rewatch to get the rest.

I suspect that how much someone enjoys little puzzle boxes like that is probably going determine how much more they like a heavily symbolic show like Flip Flappers than a more straightforward but more character-focused drama like Yuri on Ice.

The only good thing about sales I can see is that it offered an opportunity for people from the two ends shitposting against each other. I feel they'll be best friends finally.

>>152390939
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

>>152390968
Not him, but FF was great for that. Not many shows do the whole visual symbolism thing well. It's either way too overt, or haphazard because it looks cool without any sort of meaning. Putting the character's emotions and thoughts through in the visuals (in a visual medium) is great.

>YoI doesn't pander to fujoshi
Did nobody see that pole dancing horseshit? That was pure cringe.
These shows are both awful and you guys need to deal with it

I dislike the Flip Flappers is good forced meme


It's objectively trash

>>152391056
>3hz production committee brings together a set of people that work well together and have a certain style every time they do an anime original
>Someone likes the products they make
>Anon thinks that by saying the people aren't exclusively 3hz employees, that the studio has nothing to do with the production and that they can't be liked for what they do
I'm going to stop responding now, because despite being a complete fucking idiot who doesn't have anything even resembling a point, you seem really eager to pretend to be knowledge about anime production while pointing out common knowledge that everyone knows and treating it as a revelation by interpreting it in the stupidest way possible.

Be sure to sneak in another "studiofag" in the hopes that someone else will be stupid enough to take up your shitposting crusade.

>>152391142
>false flagging to delay the sentiment flip where this becomes a super popular "cult classic that only few truly got at the time but was largely overlooked by the normie masses"
you don't have to, we won't reach the sentiment flip horizon until Oshiyama makes his magnum opus and the masses start going through his earlier work, so we've got 4-8 years before peak flip flap cultism due to that

>>152390450
If you don't know the story of why Takahiro was in hot water at that point, I can't help you.

>>152391581
It will never happen, and the episode he directed for SD was already leagues above the mediocrity named Flip Flappers.

>>152388013
Flip Flappers was destined to sell poorly. It didn't have any draw for otaku and the final product was clearly rushed. I think if it had more focus and funding it could easily have been a commercial success, but I'm guessing it was too experimental to garner significant investment.

Is flip flapper actually entertaining or is it just bad magic girl lesbians with decent animation like PreCure?

If we nuked the burgers instead would that make censorship laws laxer and we can get better anime?

>>152392841
The average Precure series actually has better writing than Flip Flappers.

>>152392931
Ech.

>>152388013
because "yuri" on ice is yaoi bait and fujoshits of course buy it
what a cancer

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>>152388013
>Flopping Girls sold 1,247
>Flip Floppers 883
RG Rip-off BTFO
Sasuga WIT-sama

>>152392971
It's not yaoi bait, it's het bait

>>152388013
Yuri on Ice would've been quite a bit more tolerable if they didn't decide to hold the faggot showdown in the end, and killing off J.J., who was the most likeable character in the show. They made the only two het males seem as losers and cucklords, while the gay parade had it's day.

Nothing against gays or people celebrating sales, but if this kind of politically correct propaganda appears to be a good show, then you might actually be worse than the pathetic /u/ crowd.

Or because the show is actually garbage and the sales show that I am right

Everyone likes to shit upon yurifags, which is always good and fine and dandy.

>>152390374
Christ, it was a few years ago now but Symphogear, which if anything was more experimental and left field than Flip Flappers between the over the topness, video game inspired fights and literal karaoke fueled combat, sold 5000 copies in it's first season.

>>152393375
Here's your (you).

>>152388328
It's not even the fujo's fault if yuribait doesn't sell. Male otaku should have bought dvds instead of trying to smear cum on the hand of an underage idol.

>>152392841

For the fisrt When it's two girls bouncing around in actually-not-so-random universes, it's pretty damn entertaining. If the show had more episodes or had revealed it's narrative turn earlier, I think the rising action and climax wouldn't have felt so compressed.

The core story of 2 friends trying to get out of a bad situation is fine though. The way the setting is handled was original enough for me.

Why are people so obsessed with sales? Just enjoy what you like and everthings fine. Its not like any show is worse because it sold less. Its just less popular in the general public.

>>152396972
Because if you watched something that isn't being bought a lot by other people and thus has really low chances of getting any kinds of continuation since it's unprofitable, it means that you wasted your time, which means that you're a total fucking loser.
Whereas if you watched something that was bought a lot or somehow was profitable enough in another way to get more content of it means that you're having fun and aren't sad, which means that you're not a total fucking loser.

That's why the real little kids who watch DBS and Pretty Cure and other little kids stuff are the only winners, because they keep getting content made for them, whereas angry teenagers and depressed pseudo-adults can do nothing but screech at each another.

>>152388070
Nips don't count western markets

>>152397625
Because so few gaijins buy anime from Japan, it is simply not worth it to even track them.

>>152388013
>>This sold 883
Rightly so. Yurishit belongs in the trash.

>>152388013
The people who bought Yuri on Ice were never going to buy Flip Flappers. It flopped because of its own merits that it couldn't manage even a slice of the male otaku market in fucking fujo fall.

>>152388013
>50k
Its been 3 weeks. It's at 65k now. Will probably end up somewhere 65-70k.

>>152388013
Because if you had even a modicum of maturity and objectivity, you would realize YOI earned those sales and isn't bad just because it's gay and aimed at women. It absolutely nailed the characterization and relationship dynamics that the audience wanted without halfassing it (too much), you can feel how much the creators love the sport and the series, and it actually took risks, broke genre conventions (both sports and BL), and that is something the industry sorely needs.

It's too bad about Flip Flappers, but don't act like YOI's sales are undeserved. It wasn't perfect, but it did something different, did it with passion, and zeroed in on a ripe market at the right time and got rewarded for it.

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>833
HAHAHAHAH

FUCKING TRASH ANIME deserved it

>>152396972
Because it's become the go to way to shitpost about any popular/un-popular show with objective facts that have no real baring on the show's quality itself. Sales mean as much to the quality of a show as MAL scores do.

>>152388789
>not about gay romance theme.
But it is a gay romance, and love literally is the central theme of the series, and that's exactly what makes it NOT pandering. It's integral to the story and character development, and is no different from any other romance sub plot in anime. It just happens to be between men. Even the blatant nudity/manservices scenes end up being recontextualized with a plot twist to give them real purpose.

But this is /a/ and to idiots on here literally everything gay is fanservice and pandering no matter how seriously it's taken.

>>152390374
I think it was partially the art. Flip Flappers had an offbeat and unattractive art style for a lot of people. It had great animation (towards the beginning it was fantastic) but the character designs were simple and, in many peoples eyes, ugly. It just wasn't a show that attracted a lot of people that go for CGDCT type of shows. Yuri on Ice obviously had production/animation issues, but its artstyle and character designs were very attractive to its audience and screenshots of them being hot/cute brought people in immediately.

Japan is gay, shit and doesn't care about quality it seems

>>152392584
>It didn't have any draw for otaku
Cute magical girls has no draw?

Flip Flop and Yuri on Ice have, without doubt, the worst fanbases from last season.

>>152400303
I didn't post in any FF threads despite loving it, because it had -that- one antiyuri autistic mad shitposter and a bunch of false flaggers.

I don't think any sort of comparison is fair to be honest. Some peoples were this mad they felt the need to troll 24/7 and you know it.

>>152388013
Did you buy one?

>>152400385
Most of the time it was only bad when the newest episode aired. Though the shitposting became rampant at the end of the series, to the point that it became hard to talk about some legitimate points of criticism.

>>152400303
This whole fanbase war started when FliFlia won the AOTY poll. Everything was fine before then.

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Is Space Dandy like Flip Flappers but for smart people?

>>152400615
>but for normalfags
This.

>>152400615
I don't remember SP having such a shitty quality.

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Where did everything go so damn right?

>>152400947
What site is this?

>>152400986
http://someanithing.com/

>>152400947
Should we call 883 copies sold 1 flp instead of 1 frt from now on?

>no kiss

They could've at least grabbed some yurifags attention. YOI knew exactly what it was doing (fanservice) and even with the shitty as fuck animation it sold a fuckton.

>>152388013
that anime was shit, anyway, didn't you get the memo? from here onward the world is gay.
like it or not, gays will rule.

>>152388635
>actual decent family friendly normalfag show

>with Victor being buttnaked the first episode
>then attempting to kiss Yuuri in the third

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>>152388076
This.

>>152401142
Which one? They're both pretty gay.

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>>152401956
No, one is gay, the other is lesbian. Learn the difference.

>>152401142
>>152401956
>Male gays outsell female gays by a huge margin

Why are males always superior? ITS NOT FAIR!

>>152388013
Flip Flappers was shit.

>>152402607
And so was YOI, the difference was that only one of these two knew how to pander to it's audience.

>>152397625
That's why you import the BDs, you double nigger. It's obvious they don't count other markets, after all they get fixed amount of money from overseas releases and it goes to rights holders, not studios.

>>152388013
What kind of autistic faggot would cry about some generic moeshit show selling bad?

>>152388513
Well, Sayuri, right?

If Yuri on Ice was the exact same show but about two lesbians instead /a/ would have called it anime of the year.

>>152388013
Yuri on Ice was pretty good and it deserved the success it had, but yeah, I still can't wrap my hear around the 883 sales. What the fuck Japan?

>>152388013
Meanwhile art house classics sell for maybe 1% of the latest Avengers or Transformers. Should you nuke the entire world then?

>>152403442
Half of the FlipFlop fanbase is failed DEEPfags that believe that subtext = good characters and writing, so no.

>>152403636
In that case I'll change my argument. If Flip Flappers was about two gay guys (or any guys) /a/ would have hated it and would have disregarded it as fujoshit.

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What's your excuse for all the other anime that sold more than FlopFlap?

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>>152403775
Probably.
But for some reason yaoishit never had "artistic" anime like yurishit did.
Yurikuma was Flip Floppers done right, btw.

>>152403935
>below Occultic Nine
AHAHAHAHAHAHH

>>152403938
Why do nip yurifag creators still waste their time with dumb shitty symbolism crap if nip yurifags don't even care about that shit? Are they so out of touch with the fanbase itself in Nipponland?

>>152403935
its clear flip flap is an arthouse masterpiece so of course it will go unnoticed and unappreciated by the masses

>>152404786
I'm pretty no one has figured out what nip yurifags want.

>>152401121
>thinking animation quality has a strong correlation with sales
As long as it's not Hand Shakers shit, it doesn't really matter. Hell, Yuri on Ice's art style did it a lot more favors than Flip Flappers. Also stop the "nip yurifag" meme.

>>152406226
That's because nip yurifags don't exist. Not that male otaku aren't into some girl on girl action but there is no yuri "fujo" equivalent in Japan.

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>>152406423
I think it's more due to the fact that the fandom is segmented (and very picky) about what they want yuri to include.

>>152406816
There is no evidence such a base exists, and if it does, it is very small.

>>152407062
Yuri Hime just switched from bi-monthly to monthly, some semblance of a fanbase must exist. Although I do agree that it's rather niche.

>>152407182
There are lots of niche fanbases in the anime community. I mean "yuri otaku" don't even get surveyed or acknowledged at all unlike other like otome, bl, military or train otaku. But "yuri fans" aren't nearly big enough to make a real hit. So appealing to them doesn't really matter much in the context of sales. If anything, in terms of anime sales, "yuri fans" peaked and are on a decline. So the idea that Flip Flappers failed because "it failed to appeal to yuri fans" is laughable when it failed likely because it did appeal to yuri fans instead of other, larger, groups of male otaku.

>shitty yuribait series
>not flopping

Kek.

>>152388424
Yeah, it sold 65k for now.

>>152407549
>shitty yuribait
LL sold more than YoI

>>152407714
>LL
>Yuribait
Why are yurifags retards?

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>>152407760
They intentionally create ambiguous scenes that can be seen as either friendship or romance. That's sounds like bait to draw in the audience to me.

>>152407879
>draw in an audience
There is no audience retard. There are no yuri otaku and there is only one (1) yuri magazine. You are a delusional yurifag retard.

>>152408073
Are you that guy who gets mad about yuri 24/7? Calm down nigger.

>>152408073
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/01/04/manga-editors-roundtable-the-growth-of-yuri/
>we’ve reached a point where the framework of yuri has broadened enough to be used for a general audience
I guess editors of non-yuri magazines don't know what they're talking about either.

>>152407714
LL is an idolfag anime which appeals girls and normalfags as well. That's like calling Uta Prince fujo.

>>152408213
>normalfags
>watching idol anime
u wot

>>152408140
No but calling LL yuri is retarded and the idea that you can tap into a LL audience for a nonidol anime is dumb.

>>152408371
Anon literally called Love Live shitty yuribait not yuri.

>>152408166
Did you even read which editors they interviewed? Of course they'll spout their wishful thinking.

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>>152408073
You keep saying there's no audience but there's obviously an audience even if it's small

>>152408487
"Yuribait" isn't a thing. Fujobait is a thing because the BL industry is huge and longstanding and frequently surveyed as a demographic group. (That is growing) There is no such lucrative group of yuri otaku. Not that Japanese men don't watch lesbian porn or whatever, but the idea of "yuribait" is a stupid one to apply to a Japanese fanbase because no one is trying to get an audience that doesn't exist. Lesbian fanservice is a totally a thing and even common, but it's not really about getting "yuri fans" like fujobait is specifically for tapping into a huge market. Which is why comparing the two makes no sense.

>>152408497
That's because it's so small that it might as well not exist. That's why yuri otaku don't get surveyed as a demographic. There's no point to it.

>>152408677
You seem to be really buttblasted about yuri

I hope YoI sells better than all the series OP watches this year so he explodes.

>>152408722
We are getting two yuri anime this year, they are totally dedicated to this small fanbase that may as well not exist

>>152408880
Don't remind me of those.

>>152408928
I don't like NTR either but if live gives you lemons

Because Flip Flappers is a mediocre show with a fair amount of forced drama. If you like it so much, then import the blu rays instead of whining.

>B-but gay shit!
You are acting as if the obnoxious yuri pandering in FF was far different from what YOI offered. I didn't like it personally (Though it was less of a clusterfuck than FF), but at least its success makes people like you mad.

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>>152408491
>>152408677
>wishful thinking
>yuri work is one of the best-selling series in their magazine

>>152408980
NTR has more /het/ than it has Yuri. It will be Hibike 2 threads cranked up to 11.

>>152409015
OP has gone to sleep hours ago. No idea who you think you're talking to.

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>>152409039
Bloom into you? What's it's competition?

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>>152408847
Is there something this year that can possibly sell more than YoI besides Swords by ufotable?

>>152409082
>NTR has more /het/ than it has Yuri. It will be Hibike 2 threads cranked up to 11.

NTR is a yuri manga made for yurifags it will obviously end in yuri regardless of some het in the middle

Yuri has almost nothing to do with the fact that FliFla flopped.

It flopped because the storytelling is difficult to follow and the character design puts people off at first glance. That's basically it. If you can actually read Japanese and see what 2ch and all the cancerous matome blog users were saying at episode 1 you'd find "I don't get it, dropped'. "Wow girl looks so ugly, dropped."

These are the same retards that also exist on /a/ that think re:zero is a storytelling masterpiece and generic LN character design #5234123412 is the best anime has to offer.

Also, fujos don't really consider the quality of the anime that much. They want to buy the most popular fujoshit every season just like girls like to buy the most popular brands of clothes every season so they fit in. They have always had a habit of spending money for fun and basically every season there will be a fujoshit that sells for about the same.

>we

Niggers, no one gives a fuck about Flip Flappers. Do you know what that show even is? It is an oldfag show. Only oldfags like Flip Floppers. No one else gives a flip about it. No one cares about traditional animation, and fanservice of lolis is icky and gross. Fuck off with your "fun" shows. It doesn't even do metacommentary on its genre like OPM, so the show is literally pointless. It is just a silly, fun, traditionally animated adventure. Who gives a fuck about that sort of thing? Only oldfags who want to relive the feelings of other shitty oldfag anime like Gurren Lagann or Princess Tutu. GTFO oldfags. Your time is over. We got rid of the loli board years ago for a fucking reason. Your shit is no longer allowed or tolerated. You are outcasts here. No one wants you, no one likes your show. Just leave.

>>152410523
What the fuck?

>>152409099
I thought about it but all the confirmed adaptions probably won't top its sales. So maybe an orginal.
OP better prepare for more autistic rage.

>>152403938
Except Yurikuma was explicitly about romantically involved females, and was also try too hard to be abstract while FF wasn't actually about gay females (don't let the yurifags fool you, they're never right about anything) and had a clear vision with it's symbolism and themes in each episode.

>>152406423
>>152406816
There's definitely a yuri fanbase in Japan. They just had a doujin event last weekend. The difference between them and fujos is that pretty much all the girls are fujos, while only a few like drawing cute girls kissing. There's also a lot of people that just enjoy cute girls being cute together. Screaming that all girls need to be rubbing their vaginas together and shitposting threads to death online because muh real yuri is very much a western only thing.

>>152409721
>The lowest common denominator in Japan is the as anywhere else
This guy gets it.

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>>152388013
it's pretty easy to pick and choose your sakuga anon

FF was beautiful, but YOI was by far a better all-rounder. Even FF faggots can agree the story fell flat on it's face after Episode 9. I like both for different reasons, but you have to be retarded to not see that YOI had far more mass appeal.

It is hyped for the homo, but it really is the rest of the show (writing/music/characters/sport) that makes it objectively good. It's no masterpiece, but neither is FF.

>>152409721
So what you are saying is that it didnt cater to two different types of retards?
because thats what i think makes it a masterpiece