Harem

4-5 girls?

I'd say 2 or 3. Perfect number to develop them and dominate sexually.

>>152381632
>2
That's a love triangle not a harem

>>152381863
I still consider it a harem if they share the same dude

What's the highest number of girls in a harem shown in anime?

>>152382012
>A harem of two girls
I dunno it sounds weird when you say it aloud

>>152382307
It also sounds like an excuse to call anime you don't like "haremshit" (i.e. Re:Zero).

>>152380974
5 with a 6th appearing later, like sentai or magical girl shows.

>>152382353
Can you even count my NEWfriend?
emilia
rem
satella
felt
beatrice

>>152380974
5 is the maximum, and even then its hard to have each of the girls get enough screen time to avoid obscurity.
On another note, is there any non-shit harem manga that manages a true harem end (comedy or otherwise)?

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>>152382790
Pic related, manga only.

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>>152382590
>>152382353
Re:Zero is a pure romance because only Rem is in the running for the Subarubowl

>>152382961
Who?

>>152380974
3 is the perfect number in my opinion. 4 is acceptable but anything after that is just bloated, it starts to get hard to develop the characters individually and give them dedicated screen time.

>>152382938
I really need to read the manga, I heard it goes in a different direction than the LN.

The last 2-3 volumes of the LN are pure garbage.

12.

>>152382100
Nagasarete airantou and isekai seikishi.

>>152383151
>3
The perfect balance

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>>152382590
You forgot Petra and Patrasche

>>152382938
i remember watching this, but for the love of god I can't remember the title.

Are there any harem where

1.) The MC isn't a faggot who turns down girls for no reason
or
2.) Actual harem ending

Well it really depends on how good the author can balance all the characters. Which is regrettably usually pretty poorly.

One of the major problems is how quickly non main girls become redundant and how often most are just added so they can cross archetypes off the check list. The Tsundere, the Oujo, the childhood friend, the tomboy etc. Characters are added for the sake of appealing to the fans of that archetype regardless of whether or not they contribute to the story.

>>152380974
3-6 is fine. Greater than 6 girls = staring point for deterioration of diminishing return begins.

>>152383316
Actual Harem end, Asobi Ni Iku Yo

Harem where the MC isn't a beta cuck, Trinity Seven

>>152383316
Umi No Misaki and Mushoku Tensei

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>>152382100

>>152382100

Negima had more that 30, sort of.

>>152380974
I think 3-5 is ideal

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>>152380974
1
Degenerates need not apply.

>>152383473
>>152383500

How many of those girls get actual REAL screen time

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>>152380974
7. You need enough variety to make it work and big enough to make it a real harem.

>>152383313
color wars

>>152383643

5 should be enough, at 6 and 7 you start getting redundant and just reduce focus for everyone

5 is perfect

>>152383354
Tsundere
Shy girl
Childhood friend
Loli
Cake
Ojou
Kuudere
Stalker
Tomboy
Trap
Reverse trap
Imouto
Am I missing other?

>>152383737
Plenty

We need a harem where there is no main girl and the first two girls are introduced at the exact same time so there are no debates on who the main girl is.

>>152383693
7 still works because you can share the girls and obviously they spend most of their time together and in groups. It's not like they have to go on solo dates or anything. My ideal harem would look like this
>2-3 lolis
>2-3 sexy girls
>1 main girl that's the first one introduced
Plus that the main character is alpha and not a pussy

I probably couldn't handle more than three, personally, but five seems like it'd be the most fun, as well as the warmest in terms of love.

>>152383788
That's not an idealistic harem, too many sexy girls

>>152383623
I think that Akamatsu was very balanced about it and most of them had many chances to shine. I'd say that the "inner circle" of Negi love was 9, though.

Isn't Majikoi still growing? How many bitches does Yamato have now?

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>>152380974
about this many girls is aight.

>>152383473
About 10 or so had really major involvement in the plot, but really all of them except for Zazi, Madoka, Sakurako, and Misa had atleast one or two moments to shine

Any good harem on sad panda?

>>152383737

Yeah. you're missing how they fit into the story.

You've created boring waifus who only exist to pander to archetype.

Every scene with your harem is just going to be the girls reiterating what their trait is over all create a shitty story

The reason 5 works is because it allows them to actually exist as characters

>>152384026
Most harems' girls are archtypes.
There are no unique girls in a harem series. No exception.

>>152384203

every character in everything is an archetype. That doesn't mean they can't still be interesting or have relevance. It's how you execute the archetypes that matter and adding one just for the sake of a check list is how shit like Infinite Stratos is made

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Harem girls should be judged by their designs and body type

>>152384236
>every character in everything is an archetype
True but even moreso in harems.

>>152384264
I see you're trolling good to know so i can ignore you.

5 is overrated. 4 is the true standard.

>>152384355

The fuck are you on about? Harem's are nothing but archetype pandering. Authors don't think about their characters past what fetish they cater too. How many times have we heard the same DO HO HO HO laugh or see a child hood friend hit THE MC because they're too shy to confess

honestly if you've seen one harem anime these days you've seen em all

>>152380974
Issei juggles about 8 or 9 bitches but he's fairly advanced so I'd say a harem is anything more than 4.

>>152384422
>so I'd say a harem is anything more than 4.

That wasn't the question, moron. Nobody asked what a harem IS we're talking about what's the proper balance.

>>152384420
Watch Umi No Misaki first it's solid harem romance and tons of other things also exist.

>>152384422
Doesn't Issei have around 20 bitches now?

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>>152384498

I am quite familiar with a great number of good harem anime, I don't deny good ones exist, in fact a lot of my favorite anime are or have harem elements to them, pic related for instance is my all time favorite.

>>152383313
Demon King Daimao

3-4 should be enough, enough to not sidelining any girl in an odd way when the focus shifted.
Best of all, harem end or the softest girl won.

>>152384240
And Asterisk was fucking garbage

>>152380974
Maximum of 5 for manga.

Maximum of 3 for anime.

Honestly I think the issue may less with harem and too many half hearted commercial adaptations. It always feels like more and more shows are ending just as soon as their starting.

And yes I know the point is to sell LN but it also feels like we used to get more original or complete adaptations

>>152381863
>a love triangle

You mean "a macross".

>>152384691
Back then, most were manga adaptations that ended going on for a long while. Then it became light novel adaptations with Haruhi and Index. At some point or another, it just became a formula for advertising LNs instead of trying to get people into the actual series and animate the good parts.

We'll never get another Shana or ZnK treatment where they tried to adapt most of the material anymore.

>>152384569
I love harems, but only in series that are about other things. This gives the series something to do other than the same old cliches, and often can give a protagonist with some actual reason as to why a bunch of girls want him.

>>152384732
>ZnK
What?
You must mean ZnT.

>>152380974
2-4. Just like in real life.

>>152380974
6. It's balanced. Childhood friend, Cake, Tsundere, Loli, Tomboy, Slut.

More checklists needed in a haremshit:
Twintails
Himecut
Short hair
Boyish hair
Bobcut
Ponytail
Sexhair
Drills
Braids

I want a harem where the MC is German and moves to Japan with his German girlfriend and he gets a Japanese girlfriend and a Italian one.
The name of the MC is Axis.

>>152384795
Oh shit, yeah, my mistake.
I'm better off going to sleep.

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>>152384779

Well plus it lets the characters are actually be characters instead of just, well they're effectively just a collection. Drama is a part of story telling and relationship drama is often some of the most interesting there is.

But a story really isn't interesting if it's just some normal yutz surrounded by babes who want him for flimsy justifications.

SHows like El Hazard, Vandread and Macross have harem/love triangles but the characters all exist first and foremost as players and all exist for reasons to help drive the adventure along

>>152384853
can agree 5 is too many

>>152384873

you just described Hetalia

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>>152384888
Underrated girl.

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>>152384928

best girl

3 or 4 main girls with actual chances of winning plus another 2 or 3 secondary girls that know they have no chances of winning but sometimes share intimate moments with the MC and ultimately help him choose one of the main girls.

>>152385012
>with actual chances of winning

OH GOD THIS. The worst thing about harems period is that it's almost always just a shitty rom com with the main girl with 5 other girls who do nothing but run cock block.

They make the main girl too obvious to the point where there's no sense in getting invested at all

3-4 is ideal. You go further than that and it the amount of attention and emotional connection each get can get becomes too spread out to feel like a real relationship and is instead just to indulge cravings for different "flavors" of girls.

But of course 1 on 1 or love triangles will always be infinitely better as romance stories.

2, oneesan and imouto.

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>>152380974
Three.

All.
It should be like pokemon.

>>152385012
>actual chances of winning
There's always only one girl with actual chance of winning. Harem manga likes to pretend otherwise but don't let them fool you

>>152384203
>No exception
Go read Hare-kon

>>152385486

They could stand to make it less obvious is the issue

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>>152382100
Over nine thousand

>>152380974
Around 20 to 30.

>>152385162
Love triangler are all the same. You watch one you've seen them all.

>>152382100
>>152385790
exactly 20,001. unfortunately like half of them were killed by a very extreme yandere

>>152386332
They don't count if they were born before joining the harem

>>152385480
Pokemon is dogshit

>>152380974
Between 3-11.

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>>152380974
ONE is the perfect number

>>152387594
That plot point is so retarded.

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>>152387594
Someone should put her on it.

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>>152380974
3 wifes and 3 daughters

3 or 5 for main heroines

3 is my favorite, and usually has the most developed heroines/emotional weight per character (Yahari, Saekano, Umi no Misaki and countless others)

5 is like more fun as usually they can play it out with other heroines (Rokujouma, Korean Zombie)

>>152385486
That's because the concept of a main girl exists. Until the main girl concept is gone, there will always be one girl who is the frontrunner in winning

>>152382790
Fujimura-kun mates, it's not like the story is any good (or even makes sense at all) but boy it's funny. And the end had the lowest excuse ever, but it works in the manga context

there is some obscure good harems apart from the obvious recommendations?

>>152380974
One for every 3-4 episodes. But only one at a time.

>>152380974
3 is the most balanced, 5 is the max you can have without devolving into a clusterfuck. 3 carries the rule of three and is often the best you can do from a writing perspective because of the inherent power of using it in creating a grouping of items.

>>152388369
>>>/wsr/

I miss harem anime. It feels like there are fewer and fewer every cour. Like this past year or so there have been like what, maybe one or two that count as full-on harems with the rest being a tiny handful of pseudo-harem romcoms? Nowadays I just see endless yuri and yaoi bait amongst other things. It also feels like there are fewer and fewer harem manga as well with some harem manga taking pretty anti-harem routes with recent developments. Thank fuck for LNs and WNs at least (when series aren't being randomly dropped or stalled), but I would really prefer manga and anime. Being a haremfag is suffering.

>>152388385
so... Amagami or Yosuga no Sora?

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>>152388573
Soon

>>152388573
Streaming becomes a lot profitable so normies bait anime become more profitable and ecchi anime may tanking cuz of it.

2-3 are perfect, you have time to develop all girls while also advancing the plot. Above that? it turns to shit.

Example : IS, Haganai, Bahamut...

Oreshura is probably the only exception that has 4 heroines but still manage to not shit itself too much, and it redeems itself when silver won.

>>152388744
>2
I hate this stupidity

>>152388610
Oh boy, the jealous misunderstanding manga got anime adaption?

>>152388573
Tsugumomo got an anime adaptation.

>>152388845
Yeah, as did Love Tyrant. But those are pretty much fucking it for most of the forseeable future.

>>152388797
What?

>>152382938
are there any more like colorwars/demon king dimoau where the MC is actually a total baddass and completely deserving of the harem?

>>152388744
2 girls is NOT a harem.

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1 guy.
3 girls.

The fucking sweet spot.

>>152388954
Trinity Seven
Dog Days
Bahamut

>>152388923
Not him but it is the whole plot of the manga. Best girl crossdress as boy and attend MC's middle school, they became best friend. MC befriended a bullied weak boy and usually seen being around him. Best girl got jealous so she beat the shit out of MC and left. Later MC got into a new school of the >>152388610 girls. Best girl also here, they met but MC doesn't recognize her since he still thinks she is a boy.

Turned out the bullied weak boy MC's befriend is actually a female who manipulated MC and best girl into fighting. One of the girl in this >>152388610 is the relative of that manipulator.

>>152388610
Oh never seen this series before.
>only 10 chapters so far
i fucking cri

>>152388968
But but 2 is still polygamous.

>>152389023
That moment when the bullied weak boy/girl beat best girl in just one hit

>>152388888
dxd also got confirmation if i recalled correctly.

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How would someone manage their harem lives?
Spend each day with a different girl or go on a date with all of them?
Not to mention the marriage would be awkward as fuck.

>>152389023
Oh fuck

The scanlation wasnt that far

>>152389122
Go watch carnival phantasm last episode for reference.

>>152389023
Isn't this gettig an anime soon? Picked up.

>>152389122
That's thinking of it from a monogamous perspective. Look at stuff like Rokujouma no Shinryakusha and Korean Zombie Desk Car (translation hasn't really gotten to that point in this series though) for comfy family harem interaction. It isn't just the MC dating everyone individually, but rather all of the girls being close friends and the whole thing being a comfy family.

>>152388573
I actually cannot understand your suffering at all because harem adaptions are flooding the internet.

>>152389122
You can read hare kon, mushoku tensei. They explore those situation a lot.

>>152389198
Where are they? What are your examples? Besides original LN and WN harems there's almost fucking nothing.

>>152389122
It's self-insert so i ain't explain shit

>>152389246
Why you're so greedy fuck. Those LN and WN already enough to flood the internet overwhelm the other genre.

>>152389319
So you couldn't understand the post that you replied to or the concepts in it. Gotcha.

>>152389344
Your post is ridiculous. This season has tons of harem and you think the whole year are dry. I don't see any reason to take your posting seriously.

I personally think Love Hina needs a faithful remake. The anime wasnt such a good adaptation. Anyways, I haven't read Negima, but I watched it. Is it a good read or is Love Hina better?

>>152389393
There is only one that even qualifies for that this season, and it's just a generic romcom where the other girls in the series may as well not even exist, from reading the manga. Where are your sources for adaptations flooding the market and the "tons of harem" this season?

>>152389469
What's konosuba? And i believe there are more but have not checked this season anime.

If it's going with actual harem end I'd say 4-5.
If it's going to end with a single girl then 3 but without an obvious winner.
>>152387594
Or you could be crazy and do that.

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>>152389490
>konosuba
>harem

>>152387594
Tulip a best

>>152389490
Konosuba wouldn't count as one until about the tail end of season 3 if it follows the LN, and even then you really have to stretch to make it a harem. Aqua doesn't have the self-awareness to count. Megumin doesn't count until after volume 5 of the LN. Darkness is questionable all throughout the LNs after volume 5. Yunyun probably doesn't count. Eris, who knows. Iris doesn't appear until volume 6 of the LN and isn't much of a recurring character.

>>152389524
Thanks for confirming you're a troll.

>>152389611
>girls talk with the MC
>that makes it a harem

You probably think Rakudai is a harem too

>>152389597
>it's harem
So you admit it. okay case closed.

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>>152380974
~150

>>152389632
No, even they fuck like a rabbit everyday together it's still not count as harem, m80.

>>152389705
Did you even read the post? It's going through the series character by character and showing why it's not a harem unless you really really stretch your interpretation of the characters, as well as showing that even if you did count that, it wouldn't appear in the anime until the very end of season 3 or season 4. Making season 2 completely irrelevant for the harem argument anyway.
In any case, where's the tons of harems this season? Where's the flood of current harem adaptations?

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>>152389541
I concur. The others are still great though.

>>152389541
>>152389861
I really want to agree, but whenever I try to pick a favorite I can't really choose one as the best over the others. All Rokujoumas a best.. If forced to choose though, Tulip might be my favorite. Especially when she's with Ruth. Their biggest competition would be Kiriha.

>>152389469
Rewrite, Chaos;Child, Masamune-kun, Akiba's Strip, and KonoSuba are harem.

>>152389632
Rakudai is a harem. It's more apparent in the novel. Ikki being in a relationship doesn't prevent other girls from taking interest or liking him.

>>152380974
5
>Tsunloli
>Kuudere
>DereDere
>Dandere
>Ojousama

>>152389968
Well Tulip has the advantage of being the girl with most development but it doesn't matter since all girls are great.

>>152382100
A whole country.

>>152389987
Chaos;Child and Masamune-kun are the only one listed that might count, and Masamune-kun is just a shitty romcom where the other girls may as well not exist if you read the manga.
>Rakudai is a harem
>Rakudai is a harem

>>152389987
That anon is a troll you might as well as ignored him.

>>152389987
Dont know about the novel, but only his sister and Stella showed interest in him
That does not make it a harem

Also none of those shows you listed are harems

>>152380974
The ideal number of girls is always 2, but that's not harem so I will say 3.

Isn't Kazuma fucking Megumeme?

>>152390832
He is too coward for that

>>152390062
Rewrite is 100% harem. All the girls like the MC and MC could essentially pick who he loves most. And there's a twist in the series if you played or even watch the show.

>other girls may as well not exist if you read the manga.
I have. It doesn't matter if the others are small-time, it's still harem. At least 4 girls genuinely have feelings for the MC.

>Rakudai is a harem
Yes, it is. Shizuki and Ayase already makes 3. Both of them have feelings for the MC. Then there's Tohka who's getting there.

>>152390225
Even in the anime Ayase's feelings are obvious. She understands that Stella is the girlfriend and all, but she cant' deny her feelings. Her father wants to marry her off to the MC and she doesn't deny it and blushes at such proposal.

>>152391078
>Shizuki and Ayase already makes 3. Both of them have feelings for the MC. Then there's Tohka who's getting there.
Damn
Your goggles would put a yurifag to shame man

>>152391137
Your ignorance is showing. Someone should post the copypasta that shows how dumb it is every time certain idiots cal Rakudai not harem. SAO is the easiest comparison to use against ignorant, or perhaps just troll arguments that are used to deny Rakudai of being a harem.

>>152391320
That pasta is just a meme
It doesnt mean shit

And you are a fucking retard. Go kill yourself

>>152391365
What you're doing is a meme. That copypasta ridicules what you're doing.

Oh nice. Your thoughtful, constructive, and logical argument sure showed me.

>>152380974

Harems are just awful period and, whenever any somewhat realistic romance is introduced, only drama ensues.

>>152393479
Go read umi no misaki if you like pure light hearted harem romance

>>152384732
It's sad that you're true. Unless the business model for ht industry changes, animating things is just not profitable.

The fact that we don't have a s3 for Haruhi is proof of that. As long as there are no new novels to market, we will never get new animation.

>>152393949
People don't want to buy a dead series? I think that's the most logical choice.

>>152382353
I like harems. Re:Zero is shit.

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>>152380974
1 girl
possessing an entire class of girls

>>152391078
>Shizuki and Ayase already makes 3.
Does being friends with the MC make a character a harem member now?

>>152389711
>Dunbar's number is probably way different for people with assburgers or the 'tism

>>152388610
Fuck. Caught up to the scanlation. Looks like there's a lot more still not scanlated, but chapters come out maybe every month or two. This wait will kill me.

>>152380974
As many as you want.

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>>152380974
Five is the perfect number to me. May be 6 for a late addition, but that's all.

Sadly, most works add just too much not leaving room to properly develop any of them

>>152382100
More than 20000

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1 tsundere (Hime cut with Katana kind of tsundere no baaaaka kind of tsundere)

1 shy girl

1 dandere or almost dandere

1 genki girl or tomboy

1 princess/ojousama/spoiled girl

1 assertive/sexually agressive girl

Pic not complety related, its the only harem pic I have at hand

>>152391078
>Even in the anime Ayase's feelings are obvious.
No they aren't. Literally nothing in the anime implies that Ayase feels anything more than admiration for Ikki.

>>152391078
>All the girls like the MC and MC could essentially pick who he loves most.
They like him as a friend. The only one actually romantically interested in the MC is Kotori . The rest only grow to like him because he actively pursues them in their routes.

>>152396348
>vagina

Whats this?

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>odd-number of harem members > even-number of harem members

I'm sure we can all agree on this.

>>152380974
real talk though this show was a fucking wild ride, i dunno how it's not more popular than it is

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>>152397894
Was quite retarded, I love it.

>>152385440
MT is shit and so are all three of the main girls.

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Why not just have a waifu or four and have the rest as concubines? It worked for millennia, why should it be any different now?

>>152397894
It only went wild-ride mode later on. Earlier episodes weren't really anything special.

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>>152397421
You mean what's a vagina doing there or what series is this? If the former, that's just a fan coloring, they did an official coloring of the manga too, but no vagoo. If the latter, Jesus fuck lurk more and learn to image search.

Relationship with 2 girls who love each other >>>>>>>>> harem of 8 who don't particularly care for each other in any special way

>>152383473
Chao Lingshen a cute

>>152400972
>>>/u/ scum

>>152388990
Dog days MC is strong but feminine in nature and appearance
Trinity Seven MC doesn't go for the chances to date/kiss/fuck girls, and he lets them walk all over him, he's a beta loser
A good example of a manly and badass MC is Kaze no Stigma. He takes no shit from tsundere girls, doesn't get flustered by immature shit while still being a feeling himan bean (he's not autistic like Tatsuya/eggs boy)