What is the most ideal number of girls a guy can have in his harem?
I think we can all agree that too many girls is a clusterfuck, pic related.
5 is the maximum, and even then its hard to have each of the girls get enough screen time to avoid obscurity.
On another note, is there any non-shit harem manga that manages a true harem end (comedy or otherwise)?
Re:Zero is a pure romance because only Rem is in the running for the Subarubowl
3 is the perfect number in my opinion. 4 is acceptable but anything after that is just bloated, it starts to get hard to develop the characters individually and give them dedicated screen time.
Well it really depends on how good the author can balance all the characters. Which is regrettably usually pretty poorly.
One of the major problems is how quickly non main girls become redundant and how often most are just added so they can cross archetypes off the check list. The Tsundere, the Oujo, the childhood friend, the tomboy etc. Characters are added for the sake of appealing to the fans of that archetype regardless of whether or not they contribute to the story.
7. You need enough variety to make it work and big enough to make it a real harem.
7 still works because you can share the girls and obviously they spend most of their time together and in groups. It's not like they have to go on solo dates or anything. My ideal harem would look like this
>2-3 sexy girls
>1 main girl that's the first one introduced
Plus that the main character is alpha and not a pussy
Yeah. you're missing how they fit into the story.
You've created boring waifus who only exist to pander to archetype.
Every scene with your harem is just going to be the girls reiterating what their trait is over all create a shitty story
The reason 5 works is because it allows them to actually exist as characters
every character in everything is an archetype. That doesn't mean they can't still be interesting or have relevance. It's how you execute the archetypes that matter and adding one just for the sake of a check list is how shit like Infinite Stratos is made
Harem girls should be judged by their designs and body type
The fuck are you on about? Harem's are nothing but archetype pandering. Authors don't think about their characters past what fetish they cater too. How many times have we heard the same DO HO HO HO laugh or see a child hood friend hit THE MC because they're too shy to confess
honestly if you've seen one harem anime these days you've seen em all
I am quite familiar with a great number of good harem anime, I don't deny good ones exist, in fact a lot of my favorite anime are or have harem elements to them, pic related for instance is my all time favorite.
Honestly I think the issue may less with harem and too many half hearted commercial adaptations. It always feels like more and more shows are ending just as soon as their starting.
And yes I know the point is to sell LN but it also feels like we used to get more original or complete adaptations
Back then, most were manga adaptations that ended going on for a long while. Then it became light novel adaptations with Haruhi and Index. At some point or another, it just became a formula for advertising LNs instead of trying to get people into the actual series and animate the good parts.
We'll never get another Shana or ZnK treatment where they tried to adapt most of the material anymore.
I love harems, but only in series that are about other things. This gives the series something to do other than the same old cliches, and often can give a protagonist with some actual reason as to why a bunch of girls want him.
Well plus it lets the characters are actually be characters instead of just, well they're effectively just a collection. Drama is a part of story telling and relationship drama is often some of the most interesting there is.
But a story really isn't interesting if it's just some normal yutz surrounded by babes who want him for flimsy justifications.
SHows like El Hazard, Vandread and Macross have harem/love triangles but the characters all exist first and foremost as players and all exist for reasons to help drive the adventure along
3 or 4 main girls with actual chances of winning plus another 2 or 3 secondary girls that know they have no chances of winning but sometimes share intimate moments with the MC and ultimately help him choose one of the main girls.
>with actual chances of winning
OH GOD THIS. The worst thing about harems period is that it's almost always just a shitty rom com with the main girl with 5 other girls who do nothing but run cock block.
They make the main girl too obvious to the point where there's no sense in getting invested at all
3-4 is ideal. You go further than that and it the amount of attention and emotional connection each get can get becomes too spread out to feel like a real relationship and is instead just to indulge cravings for different "flavors" of girls.
But of course 1 on 1 or love triangles will always be infinitely better as romance stories.
3 or 5 for main heroines
3 is my favorite, and usually has the most developed heroines/emotional weight per character (Yahari, Saekano, Umi no Misaki and countless others)
5 is like more fun as usually they can play it out with other heroines (Rokujouma, Korean Zombie)
Fujimura-kun mates, it's not like the story is any good (or even makes sense at all) but boy it's funny. And the end had the lowest excuse ever, but it works in the manga context
3 is the most balanced, 5 is the max you can have without devolving into a clusterfuck. 3 carries the rule of three and is often the best you can do from a writing perspective because of the inherent power of using it in creating a grouping of items.
I miss harem anime. It feels like there are fewer and fewer every cour. Like this past year or so there have been like what, maybe one or two that count as full-on harems with the rest being a tiny handful of pseudo-harem romcoms? Nowadays I just see endless yuri and yaoi bait amongst other things. It also feels like there are fewer and fewer harem manga as well with some harem manga taking pretty anti-harem routes with recent developments. Thank fuck for LNs and WNs at least (when series aren't being randomly dropped or stalled), but I would really prefer manga and anime. Being a haremfag is suffering.
2-3 are perfect, you have time to develop all girls while also advancing the plot. Above that? it turns to shit.
Example : IS, Haganai, Bahamut...
Oreshura is probably the only exception that has 4 heroines but still manage to not shit itself too much, and it redeems itself when silver won.
The fucking sweet spot.
Not him but it is the whole plot of the manga. Best girl crossdress as boy and attend MC's middle school, they became best friend. MC befriended a bullied weak boy and usually seen being around him. Best girl got jealous so she beat the shit out of MC and left. Later MC got into a new school of the >>152388610 girls. Best girl also here, they met but MC doesn't recognize her since he still thinks she is a boy.
Turned out the bullied weak boy MC's befriend is actually a female who manipulated MC and best girl into fighting. One of the girl in this >>152388610 is the relative of that manipulator.
How would someone manage their harem lives?
Spend each day with a different girl or go on a date with all of them?
Not to mention the marriage would be awkward as fuck.
That's thinking of it from a monogamous perspective. Look at stuff like Rokujouma no Shinryakusha and Korean Zombie Desk Car (translation hasn't really gotten to that point in this series though) for comfy family harem interaction. It isn't just the MC dating everyone individually, but rather all of the girls being close friends and the whole thing being a comfy family.
There is only one that even qualifies for that this season, and it's just a generic romcom where the other girls in the series may as well not even exist, from reading the manga. Where are your sources for adaptations flooding the market and the "tons of harem" this season?
Konosuba wouldn't count as one until about the tail end of season 3 if it follows the LN, and even then you really have to stretch to make it a harem. Aqua doesn't have the self-awareness to count. Megumin doesn't count until after volume 5 of the LN. Darkness is questionable all throughout the LNs after volume 5. Yunyun probably doesn't count. Eris, who knows. Iris doesn't appear until volume 6 of the LN and isn't much of a recurring character.
Did you even read the post? It's going through the series character by character and showing why it's not a harem unless you really really stretch your interpretation of the characters, as well as showing that even if you did count that, it wouldn't appear in the anime until the very end of season 3 or season 4. Making season 2 completely irrelevant for the harem argument anyway.
In any case, where's the tons of harems this season? Where's the flood of current harem adaptations?
I concur. The others are still great though.
I really want to agree, but whenever I try to pick a favorite I can't really choose one as the best over the others. All Rokujoumas a best.. If forced to choose though, Tulip might be my favorite. Especially when she's with Ruth. Their biggest competition would be Kiriha.
Rewrite, Chaos;Child, Masamune-kun, Akiba's Strip, and KonoSuba are harem.
Rakudai is a harem. It's more apparent in the novel. Ikki being in a relationship doesn't prevent other girls from taking interest or liking him.
Chaos;Child and Masamune-kun are the only one listed that might count, and Masamune-kun is just a shitty romcom where the other girls may as well not exist if you read the manga.
>Rakudai is a harem
>Rakudai is a harem
Rewrite is 100% harem. All the girls like the MC and MC could essentially pick who he loves most. And there's a twist in the series if you played or even watch the show.
>other girls may as well not exist if you read the manga.
I have. It doesn't matter if the others are small-time, it's still harem. At least 4 girls genuinely have feelings for the MC.
>Rakudai is a harem
Yes, it is. Shizuki and Ayase already makes 3. Both of them have feelings for the MC. Then there's Tohka who's getting there.
Even in the anime Ayase's feelings are obvious. She understands that Stella is the girlfriend and all, but she cant' deny her feelings. Her father wants to marry her off to the MC and she doesn't deny it and blushes at such proposal.
Your ignorance is showing. Someone should post the copypasta that shows how dumb it is every time certain idiots cal Rakudai not harem. SAO is the easiest comparison to use against ignorant, or perhaps just troll arguments that are used to deny Rakudai of being a harem.
It's sad that you're true. Unless the business model for ht industry changes, animating things is just not profitable.
The fact that we don't have a s3 for Haruhi is proof of that. As long as there are no new novels to market, we will never get new animation.
possessing an entire class of girls
Five is the perfect number to me. May be 6 for a late addition, but that's all.
Sadly, most works add just too much not leaving room to properly develop any of them
More than 20000
1 tsundere (Hime cut with Katana kind of tsundere no baaaaka kind of tsundere)
1 shy girl
1 dandere or almost dandere
1 genki girl or tomboy
1 princess/ojousama/spoiled girl
1 assertive/sexually agressive girl
Pic not complety related, its the only harem pic I have at hand
>All the girls like the MC and MC could essentially pick who he loves most.
They like him as a friend. The only one actually romantically interested in the MC is Kotori . The rest only grow to like him because he actively pursues them in their routes.
>odd-number of harem members > even-number of harem members
I'm sure we can all agree on this.
Why not just have a waifu or four and have the rest as concubines? It worked for millennia, why should it be any different now?
You mean what's a vagina doing there or what series is this? If the former, that's just a fan coloring, they did an official coloring of the manga too, but no vagoo. If the latter, Jesus fuck lurk more and learn to image search.
Dog days MC is strong but feminine in nature and appearance
Trinity Seven MC doesn't go for the chances to date/kiss/fuck girls, and he lets them walk all over him, he's a beta loser
A good example of a manly and badass MC is Kaze no Stigma. He takes no shit from tsundere girls, doesn't get flustered by immature shit while still being a feeling himan bean (he's not autistic like Tatsuya/eggs boy)