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Have LNs gone too far?

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>Chinese translators are fed up with the extra work of translating the titles -- which are practically stories in and of themselves -- and then trying to fit them on the cover.
>In the wake of the release of the impressively titled "Nuiage! Nugashite? Kise kaeru! ! Kanojo ga kōkō debut ni shippai shite hikikomori to kashita no de, ore ga seishun (fashion) o coordinate suru koto ni.", there has been backlash from Chinese translators and book dealers who are finding the ever increasing title lengths counterproductive in a variety of ways.
>At 68 characters long, the new title is the longest yet for a light novel -- and causing problems both at home and overseas. It's been pointed out that the longer the title is, the more difficult the book becomes to catalog in a database, where space is at a premium. With a 68-character-long title, there may end up not even being room for a description of the book.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/01/16-1/chinese-translators-rebel-against-long-light-novel-titles
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This is a thing? I thought it was just the title of another light novel when I saw it in the catalog yesterday.
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Well, it's a gimmick. A retarded one that only manchildren writing Young Adult tier fiction for illiterate Nips would think of, though.
From a marketing point of view, people can't tell their friends if the title is too long or complicated, the press hates such titles by default because it makes them feel stupid saying or writing the same shit over and over, but more importantly, listing that shit or running promotions will probably be a nightmare because most online stores or the software running on a bookshop will probably have a fixed length for the 'title' field.
>68 characters and it's not a book on gene therapy, how to cure cancer, how to do anything
Fucking Nips. Two bombs weren't enough.
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This joke died years ago
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I assume it's because LN readers are just the stupidest fucking people so they need to be told exactly what a book is about, otherwise they'll probably forget halfway through.
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>Which translates as: "Sew it up! Take it off? Change your clothes!! Because my girlfriend failed at her high school debut and became a shut-in, I decided to become a youth-fashion coordinator."
with titles like these who needs a description
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The two most popular light novels of the past three years don't even do the long LN title meme. Does that not hold any sway in convincing others to stop?
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>>152375862
I guess many of their editors are aware that they have a merely mediocre LN on their hands, so it needs to go along with the fads as it can't stand out on its own.
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>>152375689
>The Life and Strange Surprizing Adventures of Robinson Crusoe, Of York, Mariner: Who lived Eight and Twenty Years, all alone in an un-inhabited Island on the Coast of America, near the Mouth of the Great River of Oroonoque; Having been cast on Shore by Shipwreck, wherein all the Men perished but himself. With An Account how he was at last as strangely deliver'd by Pyrates.

>Memoirs of a Cavalier; or A Military Journal of the Wars in Germany, and the Wars in England. From the Years 1632 to 1648. Written threescore years ago, by an English gentleman, who served first in the army of Gustavus Adolphus, the Glorious King of Sweden, till his death, and after that in the Royal Army of King Charles the First, from the beginning of the Rebellion to the end of the War.

>The History and Remarkable Life of the truly Honourable Col. Jacque, commonly call'd Col. Jack, who was Born a Gentleman, put 'Prentice to a Pick−Pocket, was Six and Twenty Years a Thief, and then Kidnapp'd to Virginia, Came back a Merchant; was Five times married to Four Whores; went into the Wars, behav'd bravely, got Preferment, was made Colonel of a Regiment, came over, and fled with the Chevalier, is still abroad compleating a Life of Wonders, and resolves to dye a General.

>The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, &c. Who was Born in Newgate, and during a Life of continu'd Variety for Threescore Years, besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own Brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at last grew Rich, liv'd Honest, and died a Penitent. Written from her own Memorandums.

>A Journal of the Plague Year

being observations or memorials of the most remarkable occurrences, as well public as private, which happened in London during the last great visitation in 1665. Written by a Citizen who continued all the while in London. Never made public before
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>>152375862
Imagine if Sword Art Online had a typical title.

>I couldn't log out of the VRMMO so I decided to solo the death game with my Unique Cheat
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>>152375986
They did the nickname thing too. Like "Gulliver's Travels" is actually called "Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts. By Lemuel Gulliver, First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of Several Ships".
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>Nips hate Gooks so much they switch the description with the title
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>>152375986
You are aware the title of a book and the title page are two entirely different things, yes? Also that the title printed in the book spine was a lot shorter even for first editions, right?
>/a/
>being knowledgeable about literature
I should've known to pick one and only one.
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>>152376073
Imagine if every classic novel was titled in the LN manner.
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>>152376287
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>>152376287
I Intentionally Murdered My Mean Landlady Just to Prove That I Am Superior to Normal People and Their Social Rules, But Now There's a Detective Who Suspects Me!
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>>152376287
>I'm Tsundere For Darcy-san But It's Embarrassing So I Won't Say It!
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>>152375468
They went too far a long time ago. LNs are a fucking joke.

>>152376332
>The Year Is 1984, And I Can't Stop Living My Big Brother!
That's amazing.
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I Uncovered a Conspiracy to Prevent Light Novel Translations in China by Using Very Long Titles and Now the Japanese Government is After Me?!
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How do light novels get published anyway? Can any faggot just send their manuscript to a publisher?
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>>152376400
My Cute Little Sister Won't Even Look at Me Now That I've Suddenly Turned Into a Giant Cockroach!
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>>152376500
>Can any faggot just send their manuscript to a publisher?
This is how publishing works, yes.
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>>152376500
How do you think it works here anon?
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>>152376332
>I Just Wanted To Engage In Friendly Fisticuffs, But I Somehow Managed To Form A Terrorist Organization?!

Jesus Christ
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>>152376564
I thought you needed an English or communication degree. Just seems weird that light novel companies don't seem to be nearly as discerning as Penguin House. LN grammar tends to be pretty awkward, and it reads like something a high schooler wrote.
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>>152376620
>it reads like something a high schooler wrote
That's because it often is.
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>>152376620
LNs are complete trash targeted to the lowest common denominator.
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>>152376620
Really you should compare LNs to young adult novels here, not real novels. It's the same trash, just with some different fads going on.
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>>152376620
It's literally the jap equivalent of publishing wattpad stories
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>>152376332
>Our Plane Crashed On A Deserted Island And Now The Beast Is Coming to Get Us?!
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>>152376500
Traditionally winning a writing competition sponsored by a major publisher (e.g. the Dengeki Novel Prize) was how a lot of authors established themselves, but these days any faggot with a web novel on narou with lots of followers can get an offer from a publisher.
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>>152376620
It's gotten worse recently because standards have dropped.

>Given how stressful the publishing schedule must be, it's not a surprise that the careers of light novel authors tend to be short-lived. Some authors may get lucky and produce consistent hits, but the majority of them do not make a sustainable living through writing light novels.
>Because the author turnover rate is so high, the light novel industry actively encourages submissions from new authors in the form of light novel contests. The Dengeki Novel Prize, established in 1994, is easily the most famous of these contests. The contest is held by ASCII Media Works, which is owned by—you guessed it—Kadokawa. It receives thousands of submissions every year and has propelled the career of many popular authors, including Reki Kawahara of Sword Art Online fame.

So at least competitions acted as a screen of quality of sorts. However:

>It is also becoming steadily more popular these days for light novel labels to publish web novels in print form. Web novels are amateur works posted online, and while they may have an unfortunate reputation for being self-indulgent and poorly written, they do benefit from having an existing readership and a wealth of text to draw regular print releases from. The light novel version is often heavily edited and may even feature an altered storyline, which encourages web novel readers to buy the light novel as well. It's a win-win situation. Some examples of popular web-novels-turned-light-novels-turned-anime include The irregular at magic high school, Log Horizon, and Re:Zero.
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>>152376751
>The light novel version is often heavily edited

They edited the glop out of the LN for SAO, didn't they? Or am I misremembering that?
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>>152376751
Mahouka was a web novel? Why haven't I seen people shitposting about hilarious lines from it that didn't make it into the LN? Was the WN that uneventful?
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>>152376751
>while they may have an unfortunate reputation for being self-indulgent and poorly written
>self-indulgent
Holy fuck is this why so many LNs are just masturbatory power fantasies with powerless NEETs as the main character?
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>>152376824
Yeah, along with other storyline changes (e.g. Kirito originally lost to Sinon at the end of Phantom Bullet, but the Ln turned it into plasma grenade mutual self-destruction.)

Ironically Kawahara actually won the competition and gained a publishing deal with Accel World, and SAO was just an existing side project of his that they decided to pick up as well alongside.

But SAO is the one that drew in the big bucks in the end.
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>>152376911
unless you are heavily political like Gate or has r-18 scenes that cannot be published like SAO, the publisher aren't going to do shit
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>>152376073
neat

>>152376332
fucking hilarious
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>>152377196
Not necessarily. Sometimes the efforts of the editor are the only way the text approaches anything near readability.

Compare the self-indulgent fedora-tipping "iam14andthisisdeep" trash complete with 2ch memes on the right, with the mildly cleaned up version on the left.
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>>152375689
LNs are hi-lo books. They're meant as an intro for kids to better literature later.
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>>152377701
if you're going to make that many changes, why not just hire professional writers to churn out young adult novels like america does? it'd probably cost less since you'd be paying them a salary, rather than royalties.
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>>152377701
The editors are the real heroes of the LN industry.
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>>152375468
>With a 68-character-long title, there may end up not even being room for a description of the book.
that's the goal
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>>152377062
Oh how I miss Accel world.
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>Nuiage! Nugashite? Kise kaeru! ! Kanojo ga kōkō debut ni shippai shite hikikomori to kashita no de, ore ga seishun (fashion) o coordinate suru koto ni.

fucking hell.
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>>152375468
Why the fuck do LN authors constantly come up with these needlessly long and complicated titles? Who the fuck started this meme?
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I really don't care what the fuck Communist Eyesore thinks about LNs, as long as we get those one in a million good LNs things can stay the way they are.

Why care about the slop when you can dine on the cream?
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>>152378665
>Communist
The Chinese LNs are more for the capitalist Hong Kong/Taiwan market though, as reflected by the fact that they are written using traditional characters instead of simplified like they use in the PRC.
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>>152376620
>I thought you needed an English or communication degree.
Not particularly.

50 Shades of Grey started out as Twilight fanfiction and Eragon was self published by like a 19yo. YA novels are the most comparable thing to LNs, there's a LOT of shitty YA novels out there, you have no idea. They're just as cliche as LNs but with a different set of cliches.
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>>152377797
>why not just hire professional writers to churn out young adult novels like america does?

because wn have a preexisting readership, duh
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>>152378940
>50 shades of grey started out as Twilight fanfiction
The fuck? Twilight ALREADY reads like clownishly bad fanfiction, and you're telling me this super popular eroge is a fanfic off of THAT?

I think I may actually be at a loss for words for a change.
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>>152379157
It was called Masters of the Universe I think. All she did was swap out the names and the setting when it got published.

People hold western literature too highly. There are MOUNTAINS of schlock our there.
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>>152379277
>Masters of the Universe

Are you serious right now holy fuck
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>>152379277
It's not that I hold Western lit in high regard, it's that I apparently held the mistaken notion that something doesn't become popular without SOME degree of artistic merit. Forgive me for my grevious error.
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>>152379373
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13639504-master-of-the-universe
Yeah, it was this thing.

>the author's username was Snowqueens Icedragon
Jesus Christ
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stupid shit
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>>152379429
Don't forget the fact that she was in her 50's. A 50 fucking year old woman chose the username snowqueen icedragon.
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>>152379395
Who needs artistic merit when you can pander to horny housewives with awful taste.
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>>152379526
私はビデオゲームをプレイし中に、滞在のすべての私の時間を過ごすが、彼女は私に近くなること神から命じられた、という宗教的な説教に会う 1 日?
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>>152379495
To be even clearer: a 50 year old woman wrote fap fic about teenagers, and got it published.
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>>152376393
Great title
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>>152379655
Published and had a multi-million dollar movie adaptation.

Living the dream.
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>>152379701
And is getting a second soon.
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>>152379655
Nigga, I'm all for that. Fuck, I'd love to read a 120 year old's fap fic just to know what kind of shit they were into back then.
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>>152376577
What is this one in reference to?
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>>152379785
Fight Club I think.
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>>152379526
Here's mine.

>I Can't Believe I Used Google Translate So My LN Title Is a Mess I'm Such a Faggot
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>>152379526
>>152379861
"I'm a Fag" for short.

10/10 anime would watch.
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>>152376332
>SPACEBALLS THE LIGHT NOVEL
Fucking 10/10
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>>152379701
Ara Ara I'm Just an Old Office Lady Who Wrote a Fanfiction for My Favorite Books, but Somehow I Became a Bestselling Author and Now They are Making a Movie Too!
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>>152380001
...fuck, I would watch that.
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>>152379526
I Couldn't Think of a Light Novel Title So I Thought That If I Just Added a Whole Bunch of Words That Nobody Would Notice That My Light Novel Title Makes No Sense But It Turns Out That My Editor (Who's A Cute Girl) Really Liked It And So She Fell In Love With Me; The Only Problem Is I'm Gay!
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>>152376332
Dunno
Romeo & Julliet
1984, duh
Dunno
Hamlet
Around the world in 80 days
Portrait of Dorian Gray
Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde
Sinbad?
Don Quixote
GANKUTSUOU
Sherlock Holmes
Monty Python and the HG comes to mind but thats hardly a book.
Dunno
P & P
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>>152380044
>Sinbad?
Odyssey
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>>152380043
>Slice of Life work series about an LN author who's being chased by women but is gay.

FUND IT
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>>152380092
Wasn't there already something very like that?
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>>152379277
>There are MOUNTAINS of schlock our there.
Someone post that one guy who publishes a new book like every week about fucking his own ass.
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>>152379861
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>>152378548
Attention getters. The longer the title, the more likely people will see the cover.
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>>152379861
>>152380043
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>>152380044
Your first two Dunnos are 'Merchant of Venice' and 'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern'
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>>152380144
Chuck Tingle is not schlock, you pleb.
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>>152379905
Nah, that would never work.

Title's too short. Also, too incestuous.
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>>152380144
I respect how he always finds new levels of madness to take it to.
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>>152380144
He got nominated for a Hugo award and then wrote about himself getting fucked in the butt by the personified nomination of the Hugo award.
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>>152379157
How new are you?
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>>152380119
>he doesn't realize it's an /a/ meme and invented on /a/
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>>152380244
He is the genius of our time.
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>>152380144
>Dr. Chuck Tingle is a pseudonymous author of gay niche erotica.[1][2][3] He self-publishes his works through Amazon.com, primarily as ebooks, but also as paperbacks and audiobooks (narrated by Sam Rand).[4][5][6][7] Tingle began his career by writing dinosaur erotica and expanded to stories based on unicorns, Bigfeet, and various anthropomorphized objects and even concepts.[8][9] The bizarre nature of Tingle's writing has led to his developing a cult reputation.[10][11][12][13][14]
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>>152379905
Underrated post.
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>Chinese translators are fed up with the extra work of translating the titles
>Chinese

Who fucking cares
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>>152379861
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>>152380144
>>152380231
>>152380286
>>152380315
>>152380320
Holy shit, the man is awesomely gay.
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>>152380320
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>>152375468
Greedy chinks don't wan to spend the extra money they steal from authors to print longer titles.
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>>152379905
I see what you did there.
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>>152378940
>It's The End Of The World And I'm Not Normal Enough To Fit In, But Maybe Someone Else Isn't Either?
>I Woke Up In A Maze So I Want To Leave It But What Could Be Outside?
>We Don't All Want To Fight Each Other So What If There's Another Option?
>When I Moved To A Rainy Place I Discovered A Friendly Family Of Homosexuals And Now Their Son Is Turning Straight For Me!
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>>152380511
Wait, which one is the last one

Divergent, Maze Runner and Hunger Games for the first three right?
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>>152379526
I was a pacifist in my past life but I was killed by a violent man and now I'm a God of War who can only grow in power and status with bloodshed!!?!?
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>>152380561
Twilight

I thought it was obvious
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Oh wait, it's Twilight isn't it
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>>152380511
Is the last one twilight?
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>>152380320
I'm surprised no gay porn producer has offered to adapt his work.
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>>152380082
I might be wrong, but I don't think Odysseus was the son of a god.

Something like
>I Just Want To Sail Home, But the Big Guy Who's Eye I Gouged Out Was the Son Of the Sea God And Boy, Is He Pissed!?
would be more appropriate.
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>>152380589
The homosexuals part threw me off, then re-read it and saw the rainy place part.
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>>152376751
>So at least competitions acted as a screen of quality of sorts.
Your own post said SAO won one of these competitions though, so that's bullshit.

Also having read plenty of LN's and also WN's, it's a crapshoot.
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>>152380666
The original SAO novel wasn't really bad, it's what he wrote after the original novel that added most of the complete shit.
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>>152380710
>wasn't really bad
>he was a Gary Stu from the beginning
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>I wanted to sit at home and drink tea but now I'm on an adventure for someone else's sake, so I really hope I don't die!
LN of the century, multiple anime adaptations
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>>152380765
SAO is a shit game, I wonder how people even got hyped to buy it
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>>152380666
SAO is was a side project, Accel World was supposed to be the main thing Kawahara was focusing on.

You also have to remember that the original SAO WN is like really short. It was less of a WN and more of a short story. It just goes like 'Trapped in the game > Kirito meets Asuna > They fuck > Bad guy gets revealed > Asuna ""dies"" > Kirito pulls something out of his ass and barely wins > Wake up in the hospital bed'
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>>152380796
The first novel didn't have the harem, nor ALO, so the stu-ness was still within reason and I don't think it had the AI daughter either.
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>>152380320
>>152380315
It seem that humanity has produce too much masterpiece it now have to resort to insanity to keep itself entertained.
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>>152380320
Why hasn't any anon self-published his waifu self-insert story and made NEET bucks from there?
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>>152380843
Yeah, it was less of a "LOOK HOW AWESOME KIRITO IS" and more like a standard romance story.

The anime murdered the pacing and tone because they adapted all the short stories chronologically and it came off really wanky.

The daughteru was like the worst thing to come out of the short stories.
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>>152380418
I'd be needing treatment after writing the screen treatment on that one for sure!
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Overlord's really good, has been steadily improving and has a one-word title.

Granted, it still doesn't compare to the "true" novels of yesteryere like Slayers, Seikai no Senki, or even older stuff like Hadashi no Gen, but it's been getting longer and distinguishing itself.

The steady improvement in Overlord compared to say, Mahouka, is remarkable.
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>>152380918
>they adapted all the short stories chronologically

Yeah. How dare they adapt the short stories in chronological order and expose the author as a hack who got worse with every short story he made of his original work.
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>>152380890
Insanity is actually the default mode of human creativity. Look at all of mythology.
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>>152381004
I'll take any excuse to post this.
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>>152381002
Pretty much yeah.

Like, the original 'core' story is fine, it's not the greatest thing ever but enjoyable. Everything else afterwards just dragged it down because it was just supposed to be a short story.
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>>152381048
>Leaving out the part where Zeus's dad chopped off his dad's balls and spread his cum over the Ocean.

There is just too much retardation in Greek Mythology for a short blurb.
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>>152380666
As I said, SAO didn't win that competition. Accel World did. Hence why it is somewhat less banal than SAO. SAO was an older web novel picked up as a bonus add-on to the main Accel World publishing deal.
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>>152381002
Well, that's why I said the originally novel was fine, if nothing special. It's what was added later that dragged into the shit category.
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>>152381161
>The add-on webnovel grosses even bigger than the one that won the award

POETRY
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>>152381145
Soon, Japan will be pouring over /a/, /jp/, and tohno for waifu greentexts to adapt into short OVAs.
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>>152381207
>Keit-ai will be finally adapted for real-real
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>My Life as a Light Novel Translator Becomes Even More Hectic as I Deal With Growing Titles and Shrinking Space!
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>>152381145
That fujo must have died from happiness
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>>152381002
They should've done what Haruhi did with the broadcast order of episodes versus chronological order.

That gimmick actually worked.
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>>152381207
Helmet Knight soon?
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>>152381145
>tfw not fucked up enough and has too much "self-respect" to publish something like this
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>>152381145
>tfw your masturbation fanfic about Inaba gets animated and voiced by the original voice actress
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>>152381275
Dignity is for the poor.

Sell it for mad dosh.
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>>152381145
Katawa Shoujo anime soon? Please?
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>>152381271
Goblin Slayer is ALMOST that, but a true Helmet Knight would be great.
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My Computer Was Invaded by a Mysterious Digital Girl and Now I Can't Look at Porn Anymore
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>>152381207
We make better anime plots than Japan does. That's a proven fact.
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>>152381355
Mekaku Shitty actors?
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>>152381355
That sounds like the first ministory in A Simple Survey.
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>>152381355
Karachi Kazuma wrote it already.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=A_Simple_Survey:Volume1_File01
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>>152381207
I can't wait.
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>>152381355
What is Kagerou Daze?
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What is it with the trainwreck shit fiction genre?
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>>152381513
You want to turn away but you can't because you want to see how awful it gets.
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>>152381413
I would've watched that anime longer if this was the plot.
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>>152376332
My horses were stolen so I'm instigating a rebellion against Saxony?!
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>>152381089
That's not retarded. That's hardcore.
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>>152381416
He does still look at porn though. It's said in the LN. He just has to leave the room to masturbate.
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>>152376287
My Little Brother Can't be this ascetic!
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>>152377701
>Life has its fortunes and its hardships.

>I believe these words of the old man of Mito is a wise saying. Life has its mountains and valleys. It is exactly because one climbed over adversity that one could sail down, and if one keeps taking the easy way down one would soon find oneself surrounded by rising slopes. The conclusion is therefore, a person should persevere through life’s climbs, but I think different.

>This is what I think.

>I can walk the level path without any ascents or descents, of moderate pain and moderate comfort.

>What I could do, and what I could not do.

>What I want to do, and what I don’t want to do.

>What I want others to do, and what I don’t want others to do.

>By making sure of all that, I walk, looking for a path that is suitable for who I am at the moment. I live a steady life, without taking unnecessary risks, without collecting the hate of others. There are probably those out there who think “what’s so fun about a life without its pains and enjoyments,” but please think about it. Regardless of what one wants or doesn’t want, life will always have its storms.

>Inscrutable are the ways of heaven. Therefore, one should pin the instability down to a level one could control.

>That was practically how I lived my life.

>Calmly analyzing my own personal abilities, limits, surrounding environment, financial state, and relationships, evaluating them not too much, nor too little, without aiming too high or too low…… that is my life.

Was this written by a 13 year old?
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>>152380320
>dinosaur erotica
>has it's own wiki page
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>>152381873
By a NEET who mentally a 13 year old.
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>>152381431
I'm surprised they haven't asked him to loan ideas to other aspiring authors.
>I Asked For Am Immortal Loli Elf Princess On A Marriage Search Sight But I can't Believe She Actually Exists!?
>My Job As A Casket Maker
>Future Arrows
>My Grandfather Loaned Money At An Absurd Interest Rate And Now The Daughter Of A Massive conglomerate Has Arrived As Collateral!?
>My Life As The Gentleman Thief Santa Claus
>The Hero And The Demon King Have Traded Sides!?
>I Absentmindedly Dropped Money Into Various Offering Boxes And Now These Goddesses Are Fighting Over Me!?
>Learning About The Monsters Of The World Through Science!
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>>152375468
>crunchyroll
Spitting in the hand that feeds them as always, fricking streaming bullshit.

>the longer the title is, the more difficult the book becomes to catalog in a database
If MAL can catalog do it, there's no excuse for online stores and official databases to not catalog long titles. Use tags and short names, most of the series with long names always have a short name, like WataMote for one.
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>>152381907
Too much variety. Not enough parallel worlds and skill collecting.
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>>152381931
Well the first one on that list involved him being taken back to her world and ruling as king.
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>>152381316
I'll never stop waiting for an animated Emi route.
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>>152379526
過労死で死んだら、アメリカ人に転生した?
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If Chinese is already a problem, imagine trying to translate those titles into English.
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>>152377701
>ME STRONK
What the fuck? Is this some kind of Japanese slang for "cheat"?
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>>152382230
It's probably a rough localization of a nip meme that's most likely just as stupid.
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>>152382256
>>152382230
>Japanese readers have even come up with memes to make fun of the recent trends. 「俺TUEEEE」(“I’m so stroooooong”) basically means “Overpowered MC”. When a story is filled to the brim with all the various wish fulfillment tropes, it’s referred to as a narou-type work. Narou comes from Shousetsuka ni Narou! (“Let’s become a novelist!”), which is far and away the most popular website for posting amateur web novels.
>If you check out the top-ranked series, the vast majority are isekai stories where the MC does pretty much nothing to earn his 俺TUEEEE status.

https://frogkun.com/2016/05/05/whats-the-appeal-of-those-stuck-in-another-world-fantasies-some-japanese-bloggers-explain/
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By all means, I give them sympathy. For there are cases like these portrayed in last week's thread of isekai where LN titles were these:
>I Leveled Up Through Parasitism But I Might've Gone Too Far

>This Hero's Too Cautious Even Though He's OP

>How My Room Turned Into a Dungeon Rest Area

>I'm Bad at Communication, But I Maxed Out My Negotiation Skills So I Got Reincarnated

>A Black Gal Was Transported to a Fantasy World and Mistaken for a Dark Elf

>There's No Way There's a Bitch in My Literary Arts Club

>I Couldn't Get Real Satisfaction [a Girlfriend] So I Became a Kindred Spirit to a Revolutionary (above right)

>They Say You Can't Get Reincarnated in a Fantasy World If You Get Hit by a Truck, So I Decided to Work with a Pretty Girl

>What Are You Doing at the End? Are You Busy? Can You Save Me?

>I Was Reborn as a Vending Machine and Wander the Labyrinth

>How My House Became a Magical Power Spot

>I'm a Hero, But I Started a Pizzeria in a Fantasy World with My Elf Bride

>I Defeated Slimes for 300 Years, and Before I Knew It My Levels were Maxed Out

>I Went to School to be a Swordswoman, But My Magical Aptitude is 9999!? (below right)

>What If the Guy in the Village Before the Final Dungeon Lived in the Starting Town?

>Do You Like Your Mom? Her Normal Attack is Two Attacks at Full Power

>I'll Sacrifice My Youth and Open Her Bangs

>My Girlfriend's No Otaku, But She Sure is Interested in My Erotic Games......

>I've Been Reborn as an Aristocratic Pig, So This Time I Want to Tell You I Like You

>She Trained in Martial Arts for Over a Century. Martial Arts Training Corrected by an Elf

>The Heroic Elf Can Raise Two Disciples!

>Will You Like Me If I'm Cute But Slutty?

>Sew It Up! Take It Off? Change!! My Girlfriend Failed Her High School Debut and Became a Hikikomori, So I Decided to Coordinate Her Youth (Fashion)
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>>152375468
>Chinese translators
When did these matter?
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>>152382439
>What Are You Doing at the End? Are You Busy? Can You Save Me?
This one was actually a fairly sombre Angel Notes-esque piece.

>>152382448
They mattered since Southeast Asian Chinese from HK/TW/SG/MY/etc are the biggest LN market outside of Japan.
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>>152382439
>They Say You Can't Get Reincarnated in a Fantasy World If You Get Hit by a Truck, So I Decided to Work with a Pretty Girl
>Sew It Up! Take It Off? Change!! My Girlfriend Failed Her High School Debut and Became a Hikikomori, So I Decided to Coordinate Her Youth (Fashion)

I kind of want to read these.
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>>152382439
>A Black Gal Was Transported to a Fantasy World and Mistaken for a Dark Elf

>I Couldn't Get Real Satisfaction [a Girlfriend] So I Became a Kindred Spirit to a Revolutionary (above right)

>I Was Reborn as a Vending Machine and Wander the Labyrinth

>They Say You Can't Get Reincarnated in a Fantasy World If You Get Hit by a Truck, So I Decided to Work with a Pretty Girl

>I'm a Hero, But I Started a Pizzeria in a Fantasy World with My Elf Bride

>I've Been Reborn as an Aristocratic Pig, So This Time I Want to Tell You I Like You

What the fuck is even fucking going on

Only one of those sounds remotely good and I have my suspicions that the pizza guy is actually shit, too.
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>>152382439
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-14/top-five-light-novels-ranked-by-title-length

>I'm a successful light novel author at a boy's high school, but I'm being strangled by a female classmate who's a voice actress and is younger than me

>I was reincarnated as an evil god and my subordinate demon army is on the verge of collapsing... What should I do?

>I tried training a girl who looks exactly like my student body president, hoping to make her my lover, and I turned out to be the servant.

>When the female student body president of a prestigious school reads Abdul Alhazred's Necronomicon.

>There was a time where I also thought that girls were nice and cute.
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>>152382548
The vending machine one is fun.
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>>152382548
I'm increasingly certain it's becoming a massive in-joke among authors, even some that usually had reasonable short titles have been doing it lately.
>The Weakness of Beatrice the Level Cap Holy Swordswoman That Made Being the Strongest Even More Trouble – His Name? Boo Boo
>My Vampire Older Sister and Zombie Little Sister Have Gotten Into a Pretty Serious Fight…Only in Virtual Reality Though
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Can we agree that Kino no tabi is one of the few Kino quality LN that exists?
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>>152382573
>>There was a time where I also thought that girls were nice and cute.

Oh, damn.
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>>152382644
I mean fuck it, maybe they're saving space in the long run since they're clearly using titles as replacements for reviews and summaries.
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>>152376332
>Spaceballs the light novel title
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>>152382669
Title is too short, even the author noted that and made
>I'm a successful light novel author at a boy's high school, but I'm being strangled by a female classmate who's a voice actress and is younger than me
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>>152382691
Maybe. Kamachi's work that started before that had a weird title, but it wasn't long.
>The Unexplored Summon://Blood-Sign
Thinking on it,
>The Worshipers Of My Ex-Lover Who Is Also The Unkillable Strongest Being In Existence Keep Trying To Summoner Her Into My World And She Only Wants To Flirt!
Might not be as memorable.
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Can it be inferred that the shorter the title of an LN, the more likely it's good?

Like, I think we can all assume

>The Weakness of Beatrice the Level Cap Holy Swordswoman That Made Being the Strongest Even More Trouble – His Name? Boo Boo

is shit, but then there are light novels like

>Rising of the Shield Hero

or

>Goblin Slayer

that are good. Am I wrong here?
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>>152382868
Boo Boo is actually surprisingly decent, coming from an experienced author as it does, with the world powers going full Spanish Empire/Weyland-Yutani on the "other world".
Japs don't like it because the main love interest is a ten foot tall dragonslayer orc though.
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>>152382868
The ones that keep the title short tend to be less likely to be shit, but
>My Vampire Older Sister and Zombie Little Sister Have Gotten Into a Pretty Serious Fight…Only in Virtual Reality Though
Is pretty good actually.
Roughly one short sentence length is the ideal maximum I'd guess. Boo Boo is starting to get better, it helps that it's an isekai where the humans travel back and forth between the real world and the fantasy one so there are interesting conflicts that arise, like the spread of fantasy world-born religions.
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>>152382912
>>152382942

God damnit guys I've been dismissing anything with a really long title as shit on the principle of it so far, now I have to look at these fucking things more carefully.
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>>152382868
>>152382912
>>152382942
Kamachi doesn't know how to write for shit. I was scratching my head just from reading the first volume. Here's a standard for LN titles:
The less convoluted your title is, the better.
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>>152382977
Long titles are an in-joke at this point.

I'm pretty sure they're aware of how dumb the titles are but do it anyways because they think it's funny, since some of these titles are intentionally stupid sounding.
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>>152382977
I mean, you're on the right track. Boo Boo and Zombie vs Vampire are written by a much more experienced author who has learned from his past works. Boo Boo is his recent attempt at going more generic again, so it ended up being not as interesting so far, but it did have some good ideas.
>>152383042
Did you only read Boo Boo or something? His other titles until then were all reasonably short and much better.
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Just use the abbreviation then.
Holy shit is this something that need to be discussed. Even at bookstore the staff are are using the abbreviation in their stock database.
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>>152382912
>>152382942
Boo boo set itself for failure the moment game crap was set for the world. Also, Kamachi makes a fucking convoluted system almost every series, it sounds interesting but holds very little ground. For Index, it was putting worldbuilding or some shit that barely matters later on or just hand wave it off as old and discards it next arc.
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>>152383175
Well, we all pretty much agree Boo Boo is the least interesting, but I like his use of meanings ofwords and mythologies in Index, Zashiki Warashi and Blood Sign. I also quite like the Blood Sign summoning system even if it is complicated.
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>>152383175
>Boo boo set itself for failure the moment game crap was set for the world.
From what I've read though they barely dwell on the game aspect. Right at the start he just says "OK Beatrice is endgame tier, has a bunch of stats multipliers and over 9000 fire-related skills", and that is just shorthand for "Beatrice can do whatever she wants as long as I can bullshit it into being thermodynamics-related". They don't spend time grinding for experience or collecting new skills.

And it's a lot less convoluted than Blood Sign's five dimensional billiards, and a lot less arbitrary than Zashiki Warashi's "okay so what if we did a thing that is like the power of this Youkai but we swap a thing for a thing and represent a thing with another thing and that is totally okay".
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>>152383086
The problem with Kamachi is how he often puts a deus ex machina element every time.
> Wow, going over the actual limit of levels!
> Wow, turns out he's stronger (much) than he actually looks!
The writing style (going by narrative) is not very appealing.
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>>152383243
Zashiki Warashi would probably seem less arbitrary to somebody much more familiar with Japanese mythology (except for Illness Magic User, he's just flat out broken as fuck, but I like his system still.)
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>>152382439
>>152382548
>A Black Gal Was Transported to a Fantasy World and Mistaken for a Dark Elf

The more I ponder on this, how did they mistake her in the first place? Dark elves have pointy ears and crap and she doesn't.
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>>152375468
Why the hell should I care about some chink translators who translate isekai WNs/LNs? Or translators at all in general? But well, I bet they're at least better than the English ones who are machine 'translators' 90% of the time.

Also why is that a news? Narou isekai has been taking over the whole market for years now and is frequently getting even anime adaptions now and will probably get much more in the future.

As for the long titles I'm sure people aready knew about stuff like Mushoku tensei isekai ittara honki dasu etc they were always around.
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>>152383449
>Why the hell should I care about some chink translators who translate isekai WNs/LNs?
Because they bring in Chinese money for the Japanese publishers, so the Japanese publishers have a slight chance of listening

>But well, I bet they're at least better than the English ones who are machine 'translators' 90% of the time.
Since they're paid for it and it's a fairly sizeable industry, yes.
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>>152383449
All the crap on Skythewood is translated from the Chinese releases which are easily purchased in Singapore. If there is no Chinese market, no translations from Sky.
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>>152376287
My little sister is afraid of me now? My goodness! It's not my fault I couldn't make the train to work this morning!

Metamorphosis
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>>152376332
>I'm not the most capable spy in the world, but at least I make you horny, right?
what is this?
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>>152383798
Sounds like Austin Powers
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>>152376332
someone needs to do whole Harry Potter books
including The Cursed Child
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>>152382448
>Why does a market with more than a billion people matter?
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>>152376332
>No Way!! My Best Friends Just Betrayed And Got Me Thrown To Prision But At Least I Get To Become Really Rich!?

The Count of Monte Cristo?
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>>152376332
>I Just Want To Visit My Wife On Christmas Eve But Somehow A German Terrorist Group Robs Her Workplace And Now I Don't Wear Any Shoes!?
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>>152383086
>>152383430
I miss zashiki a lot. At least it will never have an anime and become shitposting fodder.
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>>152383981
I'm still sad I'll never be able to have a smug Enbi folder though.
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>>152376751
Just think if your job was to read all that and try and find something marketable.

I think I can feel a LN title coming up.
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>>152383884
>Shorten the title? Shorten their lives! Why does a market with more than a billion people matter when you're the demon king?

FUND IT
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>>152383430
>>152383243
The whole point of the "package" deal was that all youkai originate from a human population's bullshit supernatural interpretation of perfectly natural phenomena they didn't understand (how mythologies are usually made). The only limit to fucking with a youkai is whether or not you can get a sizable enough population of humans to collectively misinterpret a youkai's traits. Thus the requirement that "packages" involve a large number of people - it takes this amount of people to override the general population's understanding of a youkai.

Illness Magic, Sabishi Kazu, and the Hishigami dude do seem to be where the rules stop applying, though.
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>tfw you want to write an LN.
Is it possible for a foreigner /a/?
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>>152376751
>It is also becoming steadily more popular these days for light novel labels to publish web novels in print form

Good, like hell I'm reading these things for prose and similar bullshit. Its essentially the same as why I watch anime. Also to confess, not being in my natve language I kinda give less of a fuck.

The narou trend has been very enjoyable so far and I can't really get the same thing in the VN's most of the time as far as pure high fantasy adventure is concerned unless it includes gameplay(Ikusa Megami)

Too bad stuff like Faraway paladin, Vermillion, MT(to an extent) and others are very rare. You have to search through a large pile of trash to find something passable but it is narou after all.

In the past you had stuff like El hazard and others who's primary focus was on adventure and exploration but sadly nowadays the focus is somewhere else or its just done too poorly and for the sake of parody.
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>>152384455
They still worked by the same rules, just contained differently.
Illness Magic worked through scientifically known diseases, fungus, ect. and used that known theory as well as his rapidly accumulating stress to use his different charms.
The Hishigami from what I could understand were essentially a myth created within the family as an attempt to reach higher. Due to that, they were essentially bound to that myth (note how Kyou was essentially being forced into the new realm of "reasonable" caused by the Ver.39 regardless of his wishes.)
Saiki Kazu if I remember right used modern media to create his own myth as he needed, but I would have to go back and read it again to be sure.
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>>152377754
>better literature
Yeah, like Stephen King.
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>>152383435
She must have been wearing a hoodie.
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>>152384586
>Saiki Kazu if I remember right used modern media to create his own myth as he needed
Memes?
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>>152384582
>Faraway paladin
Is there a fan translation or am I stuck waiting for the official translators to publish it?
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IIRC Danmachi's author originally wanted to call it Familia Myth, but the editor convinced them to publish it with a BLAHBLAHBLAH title instead,
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Help! When I Published A Short Story, The Editor Changed The Title To Something Stupid But The Stupid Change Was Really Popular And Now If I Want To Keep Writing I Have To Use The Stupid Title That I Hate! Also, My Editor Thinks I'm Just Tsundere Because I'm A Cute Schoolgirl!!!
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>>152375986
Col.Jack sounds like a cool guy, manga when
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>>152375986
>Five times married to Four Whores
So, he married same whore twice? What a cuck.
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>>152385874
Moll Flanders on the other hand, was
>Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own Brother)
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Here are each of the vol names of the pic related WN

>The First Generation was a Savage
>The Second Generation was a Wise Man
>The Third Generation… Perhaps he was Actually Quite Dark?
>The Fourth Generation was a Money-Loving Submissive Husband
>The Fifth Generation was an Animal Lover,and Quite the Efficient Player
>The Sixth Generation was a Former Delinquent
>The Seventh Generation was a Doting Grandfather
>The Eighth Generation F***ed up Big Time
>The Ninth Generation was a Former Child Prodigy
>Wait, We’re Continuing this, Tenth Generation?
>It Would be Nice if there’re no Family Disputes by your time, Eleventh Generation
>There Will Probably be a lot of Misconceptions in the Stories by the Time They’re Passed Down to You, Twelfth Generation.
>It Wouldn’t Be Strange if a Useless Guy Popped into the Family by Now, Thirteenth Generation.
>I’ve Got Nothing, Throw me a Bone Here, Fourteenth Generation
>I Wonder Who You’ll Resemble, Fifteenth Generation.
>If You’ve Got No Material, it’s Time to Become Serious, isn’t it Sixteenth Generation!?
>I Need to get Some Chapter Title Naming Sense, Seventeenth Generation.
>We’ve Come All the Way Here, Eighteenth Generation (End)
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>>152375468
>Nuiage! Nugashite? Kise kaeru! ! Kanojo ga kōkō debut ni shippai shite hikikomori to kashita no de, ore ga seishun (fashion) o coordinate suru koto ni.

I hate this meme.
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>>152386012
Kill it with fire.
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>>152386012
What is this even about?
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>>152381145

goals
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>>152377701
Shamelessly shilling again but seriously, J-Novel Club are the heroes of the English LN industry at this point, so anyone who can afford it buy Realist Hero if you can when they publish the first volume in full, and other stuff they release like Grimgar. If you hate Yen Press, then vote for the anti-Yen Press with your wallet.
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I think we can agree that Overlord and Release That Witch are the best novels.
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>>152375468
But the silly titles are part of the charm
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>>152386796
Dude gets banished from his family but ends up inheriting a gem passed down from father to son until his grandfather's generation. He is the ninth generation and inside the Gem are memory copies of the first seven generations of his family who talk to him and constantly comment on his actions. The titles describe each generation head. But the books aren't very long and the story seems to have strayed a bit so the naming convention sort of fell apart after book 9 which was nowhere near any sort of conclusion to the story.
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>>152386579
It's a pretty okay read though. You could just replace the title with Sevens.

>>152386796
Neglected young noble teen gets kicked out of his house. Picks up his house's heirloom which records the memory and skills of 7 of his ancestors (he's the 9th). Helped along by his fiancee he becomes an adventurer and uncovers mysteries behind his past and the world. Finds out his little sister is influenced by an ancient "evil god" and sets out to stop her. Also he gets bullied by his harem, and Vera is best girl.

There's a lot more details, but it's enjoyable to see the MC grow
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>>152379373

Fucking hell, last time I watch this was 21 years ago. I always thought Arnold Swarchzmarkenegger starred in this.
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>>152376332
Underrated post.
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>>152379395
Artistic merit is irrelevant because you actually need to be educated to even notice stuff like artistic merit, most people simply don't have a reason to care.
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>>152376698
Well yeah, the see a established market for the dude's schlock and see money.
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>>152382439
Shuumatsu is aight though.
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>>152380320
What's really epic was the troll/countertroll campaign he ended up in the middle of over the Hugo Awards.
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>>152380359
iirc a lot of LNs get translated from the Chinese translation and for some reason they tend to be higher quality too
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>>152382439
>A Black Gal Was Transported to a Fantasy World and Mistaken for a Dark Elf
Someone get onto translating this. And you guys don't know shit about long titles until you start digging through scientific papers and old books.
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>>152382548
Vending Machine is pretty cool.
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>>152387707
Scientific papers sometimes have titles so long that their abstract seems kind of superfluous
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>>152382912
Boo Boo is best boy and I'll argue with anyone that thinks otherwise.
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>>152375468
The long title meme is still alive? I thought it died after Oreimo ended.
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>>152387844
Oreimo was just the beginning, and it's only getting worse now that narou webnovels (where your title may be the only way to get people to click) are jumping into the mix
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>>152387844
The long title meme has been around for hundreds of years
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I dunno OP. Anything that fucks with chinks is good in my book.
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>>152388359
SkytheWood translates from chink, as does Nigel, and so do a few other translators whose names slip my mind
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>>152388552
C>E translations are really a shame. It's better than nothing, but J>E is the ideal.
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>>152377701
Still crap.
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>>152388601
Obviously but I mean when you consider that there's a LOT of fucking chinks around in a lot of nations, that for some reason the english of chinks seems to be better than the english of nips (who generally can't be assed to translate to english), that there's expats of English-speaking countries living in Chinese-speaking ones like Singapore, RoC, or the PRC, and that if you know CN learning JP is a joke, it's hardly surprising that many translators really act as a translator of translations.
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>>152388552
The guy doing Hataraku Maou-sama is a JP->CN->EN translator
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>>152388654
Agreed. While it feels like something gets lost in translation, I'm infinitely grateful for whatever we get.
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>>152388773
I thought Nigel was doing Hatamaou
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>>152388774
Forgot to mention something. In the end, what matters most is that the translator has a good grasp of English. You can do a J>E translation, but if your English reads like shit, it's just painful. From what I've read, thankfully SkytheWood and Nigel can into proper English. With that said, I can slog through the worst machine translations if desperate enough. That's fucking painful though.
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>>152388915
You mean like Kumo desu ga? I'm not even that mad at Turb0 since he put out something like five chapters a day, but people who spend weeks to put out unreadable ESL tier garbage are just, like, why?
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>>152383435

If you've never seen a black person before, it would be easy to confuse them with a fantasy race. She could be an elf with short ears, we have deformed people too.
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>>152388938
I forgot the series' name since it was in a blog bookmarked in an old phone that died, but there's worse. All I remember was that it was a typical reincarnation WN story, MC-kun makes soy sauce at some point, and he marries a loli princess.
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I don't fucking blame them
"I can't believe that there's a sister here that's cute and her friends too all love me but I've been transported to a new world where the laws are different but my sisters are with me and they are trying to stop me building a harem"
Is a stupidly long ass name
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>>152376332

Even If My Dad Is A Mafia Boss, I Just Wanted a Peaceful Life, But Now That My Big Brother is Dead, I Have To Inherit The Family Business!?

My Little Brother Can't Be This Stupid, It Turns Out He Was Rused By The Traitors!! But If I Scold Him My Mom Will Scold Me!?
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>>152388654
>that there's expats of English-speaking countries living in Chinese-speaking ones like Singapore
More than that, English is the official language of Singapore, the education system is designed so everyone is supposed to learn both English and the mother tongue of their race (whether that's Chinese, Malay, or other, but the country is majority Chinese) and they generally learn it quite well. So Sky for example as a Chinese Singaporean would be fluent in both Mandarin and the Queen's English, with possibly some Cantonese or Hokkien and some Malay on the side
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>>152389684
Almost all the Chinese dialects are written the exact same way (with exceptions of simplified vs. traditional or certain exclusive kanji) so that's another plus.
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>>152386012
Naming was good until 9th generation since it still. It would've been better if it ended with 1 ancestor accepting him each volume
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>>152389719
Actually no, it's just that PRC, RoC, and Singapore were all trigger-happy against "dialects", and until the last century none of the modern "dialects" (Mandarin included) had a formalized writing system, the government sanctioned Classical Chinese (basically Chinese in Confucius's times).
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>>152389930
That's because Qin standardized the writing system but not the spoken systems. There's no reason to start splitting off writing systems for dialects anyway, any more than there's reasons to start splitting off different languages for Brooklynspeak and Dixiespeak
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>>152389719
They can be written using the same characters as Mandarin since the characters express concepts, and thus via writing be at least partially mutually intelligible, but as actual languages they're actually pretty dissimilar and not very mutually intelligible at all.
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>>152383831

No Way!! This Big Guy Told Me I Am A Wizard And I'll Go To Magic School!! But This Dead Guy Wants Me Dead Too!? But How Did I Kill Him When I Was Just A Baby!?

There's No Way A Giant Snake Is Being Released Inside The School Just When I Learn That I Can Talk To Snakes!!

Why Everybody Wants Me Dead!? My Godfather Escaped From Magic Prison And Wants To Kill Me!! But He Betrayed My Parents, Shouldn't I Be The One Wanting Him Dead!? And My Giant Friend Got A Job!! But There's No Way He Can Be A Teacher!!

I Don't Want To Participate In This Crazy Competition But Everybody Wants Me To Do It!! But It Was A Plan Of The Dark Lord All Along!?

I Told Everybody The Dark Lord Came Back To Life But They Call Me An Attention Whore!! And Now They'Re Taking Over The School!? Wow I Wish These Visions Would Stop!!

Now They Say I'm Paranoid, But There's No Way My Rival Isn't A Death Eater!! The Principal Didn't Believe Me, But It Turns Out He Planned His Own Death!?

The Dark Lord Has Taken Over The School So I Decided To Become A Neet!!
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>>152389982
I did say written.
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>>152380044
>that first Dunno
>on 4chan
>literally the first mainstream depiction of le happy merchant
kys
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>>152389984
>The Dark Lord Has Taken Over The School So I Decided To Become A Neet!!
that's pretty fitting for today anime standard
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>>152390022
Still I wouldn't go so far as to say "exact". Same characters yes but grammar can differ for example.
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>>152390045
/pol/ ≠ 4chan
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>>152390107
The grammar system isn't that different between mandarin and cantonese and fujian and minnan etc.
They're somewhat distinct, certainly moreso that say between Spanish and Italian, but not much further apart than French and English.
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>>152376332
eternal keks
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>>152389719
The "dialect" terminology is really misleading. You could make a case that if Korea and Japan had ever gotten chinked then we'd be calling Korean and Japanese as Chinese "dialects"
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>>152389684
That was the idea

Then we had teachers who only care about their paychecks. That's how CLB is introduced.
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>>152390140
>but not much further apart than French and English.
As someone who had to suffer through highschool French that's far apart enough for me to not consider French and English to be variants on one another.

With that said, praise be to Mandarin that the Cantonese-speaking Hong Kong and the Hokkien-speaking Taiwan and the clusterfuck that is Singapore can all read the same LNs
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>>152390212
Not really, the current ones are all descendants of Confucius's language, just that they drifted apart over time like how French, Italian, Romanian, etc. came from Cicero and Caesar's language.
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>>152390212
It really isn't. They're written the same way for the most part. Actual Cantonese written down and handed to someone in Beijing will be read intelligibly, and not in the Italian guy reading Spanish sense. They're often unintelligible while speaking, but that's it.
And if you call every single dialect in China a seperate language then Chinese becomes a language family.

>Korea and Japan
Not really? They have their own writing system which sets them apart sufficiently (well Korean used Hanja very liberally until recently so you might be able to make a case that way). Both of them are part of the Sinic language family though.

>>152390338
This is actually incorrect, it's the reverse - Hakko, Minnan, etc. were originally languages of entirely different peoples. Consider that when Qin unified China, it was like a quarter the present size. When China expanded, they brought their writing system (and formal spoken system to the effect of bureaucrats and such) with them - which wasn't very hard, since Imperial China did the whole cultural superpower thing back then.
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"Oh wow! i thought I was being pulled into another world to live the adventure I was always dreamt of, but instead I got dragged into underground pleasure spot as an underage buttslave for old, faceless Yakuza men that run the Kyoto drug ring!!!"
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>>152390384
Have you ever visited a Hongkongese forum? The government, news, and publishing industry prefer writing in mimic-Mandarin because that make them more accessible. Netizens don't care about that.

And maybe the dialects were created when conquered natives picked up Chinese poorly, but they all definitely came from Old Chinese, at most borrowed a few vocabularies from the locals. There's one, the Bai, which is more likely to be a cousin to Old Chinese like Umbrian and Oscan are to Latin, than a descendant, but that's it.
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>>152390695
I'm saying that the process is less of branching out and more of merging in. The government didn't give two shits how you spoke as long as some people knew how to fill out the forms.
Mandarin is butchered Manchushit anyway because they were too retarded to pick up Ming chinese.
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>>152390773
>Mandarin is butchered Manchushit anyway
Oh, is that why "orthodox" Beijing accent sounds like a dog choking on a rock?
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>>152390982
You mean old beijing or you mean standard mandarin?
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>>152380231
>BY MY BOOK
Subtle
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>>152391014
Beijing Mandarin far moreso sounds like you're having a mini stroke every time you open your mouth, but since Standard Mandarin is based heavily on Beijing Mandarin it doesn't get away scot free either.
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>>152375468
The title is 'Sew! Strip? Dress over!! She failed at her high school debut and started hikikomori-ing so I ended up coordinating her 'youth' (fashion)' if anyone cares.

I would read a Project-Runway-in-High-School LN.
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>>152391163
Not sure what you're talking about but it sounds a lot worse than Ming Chinese. That being said I think English sounds worse than Middle English aka Chaucer too so who knows
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>>152390773
It's only merging since the last century, before that it's all branching out. Min is dated to have branched around Han dynasty and the rest between Tang and Song. Due to the yuuuge amount of poetry and rime tables, we can find the lowest common denominator between the "dialects". On the other hand, merging creates an unsortable mess because people don't reverse-engineer the language before mixing it, like how the Middle Chinese entering tone is all over the place in Beijing Mandarin - evidence that the Beijing dialect is a mixed dialect

And Manchu has pitiful influence on Mandarin outside of the walls of Beijing, and only in vocabulary. 18th~19th century Manchurian students of Chinese complained that their textbooks were useless as people don't speak like in Ming dynasty when the textbooks were written. An example is the distinction of Jian Yin and Tuan Yin, two class of consonants that were distinguished in Manchurian textbooks but no more in contemporary Chinese. See how early westerners were introduced by Manchurian officials to the island of Kinmen and the port of Tien Tsin, but now they're Jinmen and Tianjin in Mandarin.

God that's a long post
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>>152391270
>And Manchu has pitiful influence on Mandarin outside of the walls of Beijing, and only in vocabulary
No no no, you misunderstand - Mandarin itself didn't exist in the present form before Qing.
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>>152390105

All of Harry Potter is, really. He's bland as any harem MC, he even has the haircut. And his plot is basically isekai, entering a new world where he's important and has powers.
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>>152391303
Because Qing began over 350 years ago. English doesn't exist in its current form either. Manchu had 0 grammatical influence on Mandarin and only a dozen vocabularies. Heck even English got a Manchu loanword: "shaman"
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>>152391568
It's not about grammar and vocab. It's about spoken language, and the Manchus literally could not pronounce the language correctly.
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>>152375468

>Chinese Translators Rebel Against Long Light Novel Titles and So Kill Themselves Only to be Reincarnated in a Fantasy World that Uses MMORPG Mechanics and Proceed to Build a Harem From The Weird Girls They Meet There
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>>152391227
probably just my bias because most of the Mandarin speakers in my environment speak with accents apparently affected by Southern Chinese dialects (e.g. zh-, ch-, and sh- get mutilated into z-, c-, and s-)

But stuff like the extensive use of erhua in northern accents like that of Beijing, which to an extent made its way into standard Mandarin, sounds to me you're like a tongue spasm.
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>>152391568

Here's my problem with Mandarin.

There's a language called Mandarin.
There's a small orange called a Mandarin.
There's a fucking tree called Mandarin.

Is EVERY fucking thing in mandarin called "Mandarin"? Is "mandarin, mandarin mandarin. Mandarin? Mandarin mandarin mandarin mandarin mandarin mandarin mandarin!" a legit sentence in mandarin?
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>>152391862
Mandarin originally comes from an official position in Qing China.
Blame Westerners at the time for naming everything Mandarin.
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>>152391612
Please. I just presented an example (jian/tuan yin) and evidence(Tianjin and Jinmen's old spellings) that the Manchurians' pronunciation were older and more distinct while the Chinese themselves mixed things up. If you speak a non-Mandarin dialect yourself, you can easily spot that the two "jin" were supposed to be different like how the Manchurians kept them, while native Mandarin Chinese were crap at keeping them distinct.

TL;DR: I presented evidences, you presented arguments.
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>>152391862
You are going off track.

Think about Draogns.

Dragons in Western description is a giant fire breathing lizard with wings monster

Dragons in Eastern description is a giant snake with facial hair, and is treated as a divine creature.
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>>152391930
Manchurian has nothing to do with Mandarin though, are you a Manchu or something?
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>>152391760
>not proceed to build a harem based on LN they've translated
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>>152384485
>Is it possible for a foreigner /a/?
Danny Choo doesn't write novels, but he is a foreign author in Japanese entertaiment industry, soyour dream is within realm of possibility.
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>>152392170

Could also have done with using more adjectives:

>Angry Chinese Translators of Japanese Light Novels Rebel Against Unneccesarily Long Light Novel Titles By Committing Suicide Only To Be Ironically Reincarnated In A Light Hearted On The Surface But Dark Underneath Fantasy World That Works Like An MMORPG And So Spend Their Time Building A Sexy Harem Of The Weird Girls They Meet That They Organise Based On The Japanese Light Novels They'd Previously Translated
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Ok that vending machine was a pretty fucking fun read
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>>152392664

Anime Title:
>Isekai Ching-Chong
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>>152376332
Why is the Men In Black one not a summary?
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>>152377754
Right, like getting into John Green novels and sounding like a psuedo-intellectual teenage girl? Sure, sound like it is up there alley.

Give those passive and introverted otaku Yukio Mishima or Osamu Dazai.
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>>152385630
That's actually pretty accurate. He memed himself into becoming an youkai and his powers were "whatever the fuck I can think of doing."
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Out of all the various languages in the world, the one that had to become a global sensation is Japanese anime for fuck's sake. One of the most obtuse and difficult languages to translate because of the use of symbols instead of letters and defined words.

Is this our punishment for nuking Japan? An obscure, confusing language where anyone actually talented enough to decipher in any short amount of time would never bother with translating shitty tiddy books and instead make six figures translating business meetings and manuals.
if it was French or Russian or Spanish you could just run it through Google Translate and get a bare but functional translation, but no, it has to be fucking Japanese.
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>>152394499
Maybe if you spent half the time whining on learning Japanese instead, you'd be done already.

Keep slurping up those translations though, buddy.
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>>152376332
>The Year Is 1984, and I Can't Stop Loving My Big Brother!
Get me everytime.
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>>152388225
What significant pre-Oreimo examples are there?
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>>152395108

>>152375986
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>>152376332
>My Dad is the emperor but my faithful sword tells me to betray him!?
>I was afraid of fighting in the Imperial Guard but all my cowardly plans to avoid battle led to the enemy losing by accident!?
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>>152395108
Pick up any scientific paper or look at the actual, full names of older works.

>The history of the valorous and wittie Knight-Errant Don-Quixote of the Mancha
>A Modest Proposal: For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick.
>The Story of a Shipwrecked Sailor: Who Drifted on a Liferaft for Ten Days Without Food or Water, Was Proclaimed a National Hero, Kissed by Beauty Queens, Made Rich Through Publicity, and Then Spurned by the Government and Forgotten for All Time.
>Kidnapped: Being Memoirs of the Adventures of David Balfour in the Year 1751: How he was Kidnapped and Cast away, his Sufferings in a Desert Isle; his Journey in the Wild Highlands; his acquaintance with Alan Breck Stewart and other notorious Highland Jacobites; with all that he Suffered at the hands of his Uncle, Ebenezer Balfour of Shaws, falsely so-called: Written by Himself and now set forth by Robert Louis Stevenson
> An argument to prove that the abolishing of Christianity in England may, as things now stand, be attended with some inconveniences, and perhaps not produce those many good effects proposed thereby.
It's honestly absurd.

>>152394499
>symbols instead of letters
Kana are literally letters.
>obtuse
It is really not that hard, get the fuck over it.
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>>152381230
>>152385738
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139
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>>152381089
And from that cum the goddess of love was born
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>>152385967
Moll Flanders would be lauded as a feminist breakthrough story today.
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>>152385668
Vol 1 is actually translated already.Officially at that, see notsekritclub
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>>152376423
I don't get enough reasons to use this.
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So on the topic of these Light Novels, can I ask why the DnD style Fantasy Worlds have become so insanely popular lately?

A good chunk of the good LNs out these days involve an Isekai into a traditional fantasy world. Not a Japanese fantasy world, a straight up WoW-like world, or an FFXIV-like world. It's gotten huge, with some like Goblin Slayer literally showing DnD character sheets as a part of the world. Any idea why the Light Novel community rallied towards that as a new setting?

I'm not complaining, I love that shift, but I'm surprised it's happening.
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>>152375818
Thia actually sounds interesting.
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>>152400876
Because they got sick of normal/magical schools.
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>>152400876
>lately
hownew.ru
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>>152395351
>Errant Story
Cool, but >>>/co/
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>>152385874

Like russian presidency, term limits on whore-marriage don't count if they're non-consecutive.
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>>152400876
Because D&D has always been huge in Japan and there's literally a non-negligible market for actual transcriptions of D&D playthroughs
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>>152375468
As if manhwa is any better. It's just fucking.
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>>152406728
Korean or Chinese?
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>>152408062
Manhwa is Korean, Manhua is Chinese
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>>152388633
Better than the WN by a long shot though.
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>>152400309
>unedited pre-publish chapters with LQ images
maybe I'll just wait for them to actually publish the final version.
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>>152375468
>there may end up not even being room for a description of the book.
The title is the description though.
That's part of the problem
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>>152379763
We have fapfic from Victorian times.
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Why do light novels suffer from this problem but manga doesn't?
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>>152410971
Well you could flip through the pages to a better idea what can you expect from the manga.
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