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For those of you with huge collections of anime (100gb+), how

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For those of you with huge collections of anime (100gb+), how will you feel when 4k comes out and you have to replace your entire collection with 4k videos?
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>>152374635
Cool story brah. People mainly still download 720p versions.
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>>152374635
>4096x2160
Not interested.
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But anime is produced generally in 720p, no magic will make anything not in a special resolution like Hyouka look any better.
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I have a 4k tv and i keep watching stuff in full hd, the difference is not worth the filesize
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>>152374949
Correction, it's streamed to Japanese TVs at 720p. The original footage can be whatever resolution since animators use vectors which scale infinitely.
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Perfectly fine with a 1440p monitor and 720p chinese cartoons, so I don't care.
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>>152374987
>mastering resolution
learn it
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>>152374635
anime peaks at 720p above that is a waste of space
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>>152374635
99% of people aren't going to replace their collection for upscaled images. 1080p unless they actually animate aimed at 4K quality there's no point in using it. 4K is really for IRL shit and other 3D shit at this point.
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>>152374635
>huge
>(100gb+)

100GBs is like less than 10 shows with 25 episodes each, all encoded at 720p .h264 8bit. That's a small collection. Most people I know have at least 750GB to a terabyte. Raise your bar
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>>152375871
Mostly, but it sometimes depends. Watching Redline at 1080 was great
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>>152374987
>>The original footage can be whatever resolution since animators use vectors which scale

This is patently false.
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>>152374635
Baka over half of my collection isn't even 720p. Anime will always be behind on technology same as game consoles. By the time I get a 4k TV you'll be asking me why I don't have a 20k TV.
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>>152374987
>since animators use vectors which scale infinitely.

Although there are vectorization techniques out there, that's not something animators use as they aren't precise. Also, backgrounds are plain textures, so they can't scale up indefinitely.
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>>152375875
When can I expect my chinese cartoons to look like this?
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>>152374635
ANIME IS HIGHLY COMPRESSIBLE SO YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH VERY LOW FILESIZES EVEN AT 4K AND ESPECIALLY ENCODED WITH HEVC
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>>152377500
I think there will be no more than 8k tv
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>>152377606
When native 4k anime comes out, obviously.
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>>152376076
the fuck are you on?
I have around 500 episodes of anime and thats under 55gb, and that's my unsorted folder.

Stop getting placebo 1:1 rips of anime, its retarded,

Download an episode at 720p and 1080p and if there is no change in quality when you switch back and forth, keep the 720p, hell, there is a significant amount that never went above 480p in quality scaling, japan has notoriously bad archiving.

also, get hi10 encodes, saves a fuckload of space for minimal quality difference at worst, to higher quality at higher resolutions with lower file sizes at best.
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>>152374635
As far as I know, there are no new anime currently being released in 4k. Any existing digital age anime future-released in 4k will be upscales, and most likely inferior upscales to what MadVR can accomplish.
4k releases of analog-age anime might be nice, though, as will future new anime mastered in 4k, whenever that happens. I think it'll be a long time before that happens, though, since there are very few anime being released even today at full 1080p.
>>152375871
Incorrect. Many anime every season are released at a resolution above 720p. The Japanese website Anibin publishes the resolution of every anime released every season. If Anibin tags an anime as HV1280+ then it's worth it to download any 1080p versions of it.
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>>152377577
>Also, backgrounds are plain textures, so they can't scale up indefinitely.
Handpainted backgrounds can be scanned at whatever resolution you want, but most anime nowadays use digital backgrounds, so that's not an option.
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>>152377714
>I think there will be no more than 8k tv
I honestly doubt we will move to 8k for any other reason then the difference in panel cost is so negligible that it would make more sense to go 8k if only for when you have one or two pixels fuck up its almost impossible to see, as even for the smallest living rooms, 4k is already retardedly overkill outside of projectors.
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>>152374635
Unless they do true remasters to 4k or remaster the fucking darkened areas, there is no reason to replace shit.
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>>152377807
I agree completly.
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>>152374635
I would probably need to add a few terabytes, and maybe I would be forced to upgrade a processor on my streaming server.
I don't see any problem; it's just a few hundred bucks.
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>>152376076
>he fell for the bloatgirls meme
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>>152374987
>i have no idea what i'm talking about

Frames are hand drawn and scanned in. The only digital part is the coloring. This isn't Flash.

https://youtu.be/OkynjEznLm8?t=168
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Nah, anon is right. My Gundam collection alone takes up >500gb of space, and I don't have all the gundam series on there (no AGE, SEED Destiny, Build Fighters, still have horrible subs rip for G reco)
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>>152377745
Stop using shitty rips. You're disgusting.
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>>152377984
>Frames are hand drawn and scanned in
yeah, maybe 10 years ago
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I'll buy a bigger hard drive and redownload everything
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>>152378041
They're still done that way. Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.

https://youtu.be/7LgHOUTZ8Gc?t=1367
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Do you people seriously consider 100GB a lot?

I only started collecting rips about 3 years ago and am on about 2.5TB. Storage isn't expensive either.
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>>152378041
Except that's still what most anime studios do today.
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>>152374635
>(100gb+)
>Not downloading 40MB/Ep Anime
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>>152378100
I guess 4 years now that it's THE CURRENT YEAR +1.
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>>152378006
Was meant for >>152377745
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>>152378100
I don't collect anime, and my <airquotes>collection</airquotes> is something like 1-1.5 Tb.
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>>152378091
>japan still uses paper
what the fuck
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>>152378091
they could only afford it thanks to kickstarter shekels
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>>152378174
>what the fuck
Was that meant to be a question? I personally love the intoxicating smell of a new book.
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>>152374987
>>152378041
I thought Shirobako was popular on /a/. How are people still this ignorant?
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>>152378132
Does your collection have the same Teekyuu episodes mulitple times or something?
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>>152378225
graphics tablets are a thing, and given how anime reuses the same eyes and gestures a lot, it'd save a lot more money to reuse those layers.
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So are 30gb seasons a meme? I always download the biggest one because I see 1080p and FLAC.
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>>152377745
>I have around 500 episodes of anime and thats under 55gb, and that's my unsorted folder.
Wh-what? Average HS 720p release is 0.34gb so you'd atleast hit 40gb if you finished 10 shows at the end of a season.
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>>152374635
4k is a meme resolution.
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>>152378298
>downloading more than 14gb for a two-cour show
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>>152374635
>entire collection

Because everything will get a 4k remaster right? Probably half of my collection are still DVD quality and another half of that would see no benefit at all getting a remaster since everything in the mid 2000s SD quality is literally the best quality you can get.
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>>152378247
>How are people still this ignorant?
Get with the times, in 5 years all anime will be made exclusively on computers, and in another 10 years they will all be full CGI.
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>>152378261
That would be awful. Do you want all anime to look like Family Guy?
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>>152378298
Flac is unnecessary bloat and should be used for archiving and reencoding to a lossy file, not for playback.
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>>152378380
They practically do already.
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>>152374635
Compression gets better, hard drives get cheaper. It basically evens out.
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>>152378406
Show me a WebM.
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>>152378335
>and another half of that would see no benefit at all getting a remaster since everything in the mid 2000s SD quality is literally the best quality you can get.
I wish Japan would start pumping out waifu2x upscales of digital-era 480p anime right now. We'd get benefit from that right now while PCs are still too slow to do realtime waifu2x upscaling.
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>>152378380
family guy is better animated than most anime. anime artists try to do as little as they can to keep costs down.

source: long riders, konosuba, anne happy, mayoiga, netoge.
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>>152378422
anyanimepost2000.webm
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>>152378422
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>>152378425
You're wrong.
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>>152378368
>>152378406
What a meme poster
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>>152378393
Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.
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>>152378298
Flac is a meme for most cases. But 1:1 is superior if everything else is the same.
So if you have HD TV, then 720p will be superior to 1080p and vice versa.
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>>152378425
>family guy is better animated than most anime.

And the art looks like shit. I much prefer anime having good animation with amazing art than shit tier art with fluid animation.
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>>152378476
family guy looks more fluid.
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>>152378501
FLAC is the only logical format for archival. Newer, superior lossy formats will be developed in the future. When that happens, it'll be good to have FLAC audio archived to convert it to the new lossy hotness. It's obviously unwise to convert from lossy to lossy.
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>>152378496
MUH ROTATIONAL VELOCIDENSITY
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>>152378605
i was just being hnest
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>>152378496
Nice pasta.
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>>152378601
>tubes
>for anything but guitar amps
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>>152378552
>FLAC audio archived to convert it to the new lossy hotness
Are you high or something? Why the hell do you want to convert the lossless format to lossy? You already have a perfect quality. Any lossy format, no matter how efficient, will be worse by definition.
It's just hardly anyone would benefit from lossless audio if something like 192 kbps AAC is available.
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>>152374635
First of, "4K" is a marketing term, as demonstrated by your pic. And even films mastered at "4K" are downscaled to 1080p. Secondly, higher resolution transfers/animation won't make lower resolution suddenly absolute. Many shows like, say, Texhnolyze and WttNKH, aren't even available above SD transfer quality, and yet are perfectly watchable nonetheless. And then there's the fact no anime is drawn resolutions higher than 1080, so adopting higher resolution isn't going to happen. Also, the Industry can't even move to higher fps animation of 24 fps, nor even hope to reach 60fps. The Industry is stagnant, and "4K" will only come as a marketing gimmicking at most.
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>>152378425
I admittedly still watch Family Guy, but fuck no. The animation has diminished so damn much to the point that anime as a whole is more expressive. A lot of the time it even resorts to tweens, especially noticeable in slower movements. The CG is even worse than anime. If being fluid, but puppet-like is good to you, then whatever. I might take you seriously if you were talking about The Simpsons, which actually is more expressive, even when it became HD
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>>152378261
Graphics tablets still produce a raster image. Vector are is still a very, very niche field. Ever notice how 4chan doesn't even support SVG uploads?.

Vector graphics require shapes to be created procedurally, which is not how artists think or do. I've never even seen so much as a vector webcomic.
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>>152378718
Are you fucking retarded? Try doing a blind test between FLAC and a lossy file like opus at, say 192kbps.
Sure on paper it's worse, but we as humans are not able to hear that difference.
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>huge (100+gb)
How big is mine then?
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>>152374635

I have three TBs of animu. A big chunk of it is horriblesubs bullshit that I replace when the rips come out. I'm not gonna replace my entire collection when the rips I have now are just fine.
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>>152378790
>the human eye is unable to perceive more than 30 fps
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>>152378790
>Sure on paper it's worse
Enough for me
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>>152378875
>Enough for me
literally retarded
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>>152378425
Mayoiga didn't have bad animation though.
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Is there a source or something where you can see the drawn/broadcast resolutions of anime?

I usually download in 720 for broadcasts then 1080 for BDs, but if the BD is just an upscale is there even any point?
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>>152374635
I miss Daiz sharing his vast knowledge in threads like these. Wherever he is now, he's surely doing good deeds
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>>152378937
wow learn to type
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>>152378820
That's some shit taste.
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>>152378839
>>152378875
You won't be able to tell the difference with human ears. If you have the storage and don't care for bloat, sure, go ahead and keep them. I do it myself.
But when you say you can hear the difference between lossless and a good lossy file from that lossless file, you're a liar and/or placebophile.
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>>152378718

>Why the hell do you want to convert the lossless format to lossy?

>you're a content provider to the Internet who may wish to re-release a show in the future with superior audio than your previous lossy audio release
>you watch anime on a different device than the one with the archive on it, and storage space is at a premium on the non-archive device, so you keep anime with Coalgirls-tier video encodes and FLAC audio on the archive device and more reasonably encoded video with lossy audio on the other

There's reasons. It'll be a positive for the anime world if people have FLAC audio archived when new, superior lossy formats surface.
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>>152378965
I usually just check anibin.
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>>152377806
There's a loss of detail at some point like with cels, hand painted ain't infinitely detailed.

>>152374987
Japs usually don't use vectors, from what I recall only Ping Pong used vectors.
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>>152378989
I know. Notice the name of the drive.
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>>152378993
>You won't be able to tell the difference with human ears.
how do you know
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>>152378790
This anon is correct. They've done studies on this. 192kbps mp3 is the threshold for audibility of difference between lossy and lossless. It's still wise to archive lossless audio, though, since there may come a day where a superior file format can achieve transparency at a lower bitrate. Opus might be able to do it already, and I'm sure there will come along a file format better than Opus.
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>>152378312
yea, they are that big, I don't keep horrible sub rips, i go for hi10, then move over to the dvd/bluray for really good ones, and for the mediocre ones that are good enough to keep i just leave it at the broadcast version.

the difference between hi10 and higher bit rate anime is negligible at worst, unnoticeable at best, even when comparing the same scenes.

really, the only parts that stand out for me are when a broadcast has fast movement and ghosting is an issue, made gurren lagann unwatchable for me for quite a while, and when they turn brightness and contrast down for scenes, only potential fix for that is bluray/dvd releases, and if it's going to be shit quality, id rather the file size not be bloated.
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>>152379043
Try doing an ABX test.
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>>152378174
Because studios are inter-dependent (that's why they went full digital rendering in the early-2000, a bit late compared to the rest of the world, they needed to be coordinated in the evolution), they can't easily go full digital drawing with the chain of work. Also it needs rehabilitation of the animator's skill (learning the soft, getting used to tablet and shit). And money for that stuff.
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>>152378790
Either my ESL-ness is showing, or you managed to misinterpret my post completely. I think it's the latter.
I agree with you. The hi-quality lossy codec is as good as lossless in most cases.
But if you already have the version with lossless audio, converting it to lossy is pointless.
>>152378996
It's fine if you plan to produce better releases in the future. But it makes zero sense if you're just an average consumer.
And if we are talking about mobile devices, lossy to lossy will work just fine. I can't think of any case when you have access to hi-quality sound with minimal background noise on mobile.
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I still don't get why people don't just call it 10-bit video. The hi10p label is a meme that needs to die.
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>>152377745
>falling for the 10bit meme
its bloat and so are most 10bit releases
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>>152378790
>>152379085
There's also the possibility of a future quantum leap in audio reproduction technology occurring. 192 kbps mp3 is the threshold for audibility of difference between lossy and lossless with current technology, but what if a future quantum leap in audio reproduction technology means that the average person can suddenly hear a difference between FLAC and 192 kbps mp3? People will be glad they archived lossless audio if and when this possibility occurs.
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>>152379261
do you not know the hi10 group?
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>>152379196
>I can't think of any case when you have access to hi-quality sound with minimal background noise on mobile.
Headphones in a motel room alone. Headphones in the guest bedroom of a friend/relative alone. Etc.
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>>152378721
Why the pic related?

As for TEXHNOLYZE and SD anime, I think the main problem is the old encoding that don't retain a good quality. The fact that the anime is a bit blurry when fullscreen on an HD screen is a shame, but like you said it's still watchable. And I doubt the screen will go much bigger than they are, FHD has already tiny points for pixels, so on a same size screen, 4K will not change much of the blur of a SD anime.

And on a big TV, you usually watch from a distance.
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>>152379196
>But it makes zero sense if you're just an average consumer.
See: >>152379264
I know it's borderline autism, but I'm technically correct. I know most people won't give a shit. I just like doing things the logically correct way.
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>>152379264
Then you would just beam the audio directly into your head and not use a transducer.
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>>152375875
4K is decidedly not cute.
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>>152377721
AMD turns 3DPD into 2D? Will buy.
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>>152379333
Kill yourself.
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>>152378785
Aren't most western cartoon vector-based?
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>>152379432
depends on what they use to animate, many use flash, so they are vector based, some use 3d programs to mimic 2d so they can be scaled infinitely as well.
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>>152379379
Everyone's ear canal has a different shape and size and this makes creating headphones which are perfectly accurate for everyone impossible, short of headphones which can somehow image the wearer's ear canal and calculate equalization filters based on said image.
I've always thought that some day scientists will solve this personal audio problem by creating implants which directly interface with our eardrums or the nerves between our eardrums and our brain. We'll have jacks built into our body which we'll plug in and beam perfect sounding audio directly to our eardrum/eardrum nerves with.
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>>152379298
>Headphones
Yep, headphones. If it's something cheaper than one grand, the chances are that even audiophile with perfect hearing would struggle to hear the difference between FLAC to 196 kbps mp3 stereo and AAC 196 kbps to 196 kbps mp3 stereo.
Or even with hi-quality headphones.
>>152379369
It's perfectly okay for someone to keep the perfect quality releases. It's just not that useful in a present.
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>>152378368
the moment that they go cg but refuse to learn how to do cg will be the death of anime as anything viable outside of japan
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>>152379516
You don't need $1,000+ headphones to hear the difference between lossless audio and a lossy to lossy encode. The high frequencies are going to sound like fucking shit on a lossy to lossy encode.
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>>152374635
>huge collections
>100gb+
Nigger, even I have that, and I consider my stash very small.

>>152377745
>I have around 500 episodes of anime and thats under 55gb
>500 episodes
So like 30 anime? That's literally nothing, retard.
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>>152379578
>to hear the difference between lossless audio and a lossy to lossy encode
But I was talking about hi-quality lossy to lossy vs lossless to lossy.
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>>152377745
>500 episodes of anime and thats under 55gb
>>152379580 is right, you're a fucking casual faggot if you think that 1K episodes (less than a hundred TV series even if they're all one-cour) is a "huge collection."
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>>152379406
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>152379633
>the difference between FLAC to 196 kbps mp3 stereo and AAC 196 kbps to 196 kbps mp3 stereo.
You don't need $1,000 headphones to hear this. The FLAC to 196 kbps mp3 will be indistinguishable from FLAC. The AAC 196 kbps to 196 kbps mp3's high frequencies will sound like fucking shit on <$100 Sony MDR-V6s.
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>>152378721
old anime use to be made with cells, then photographed, this can then be transferred to a fairly high resolution depending on the film, with what was used in movies being useable somewhere between 4 and 8k before you don't get any further returns. But like I said, japan is notorious for shit archival so it wouldn't shock me if they remaster old vhs copies

>>152379580
unsorted folder, my main folder is well over 1tb, with my dvd/blu ray copies putting it probably around 7tb.

That said, the op said 10 anime = 100+gb, and that's just not true unless you get the most retarded rips possible.
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>>152379666
wow... its like no one on this board is capable of reading.

>I have around 500 episodes of anime and thats under 55gb, and that's my unsorted folder.
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>>152379711
>That said, the op said 10 anime = 100+gb, and that's just not true unless you get the most retarded rips possible.
What if you get long as fuck series?
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>>152374635
1280x720p is more than enough for anime, shit is flat and has no detail, poor animation most of the time.
why would you need higher resolution?
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>>152378425
KonoSuba's better animated than Family Guy retard, and most cheap anime are the same if not better than a cartoon.

>>152378425
Also, "complexity" of movement and "fluidity" of animation isn't everything anime does better than cartoon, visually.
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>>152379752
Wait, I thought you were OP or were defending him, so I was assuming you were saying that 1000 episodes was huge (since you had 500 in 50gb and OP mentioned 100gb). If you're not backing him up, just ignore me.
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>>152374635
considering that a good deal of anime is still being produced at 720p, I feel okay
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>>152379684
>The AAC 196 kbps to 196 kbps mp3's high frequencies will sound like fucking shit
I'm a bit shaky on theory, but I think that hi-freq cutoff in mp3 is a thing.
So it would sound like shit in both cases, I guess.
>>152379777
So your video player doesn't have to upscale or downscale.
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>>152374635
Won't happen because I'm too poor for a 4k tv/monitor
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>>152379777
Just to use one example from this season to show that you're wrong, Urara Meirochou - 02 (BS-TBS 1080p Hi10P AAC) [804DD5C9].mkv is significantly sharper/clearer looking in motion at 1080p than [GJM] Urara Meirochou - 02 [D9FAA8C9].mkv upscaled to 1080p with MadVR's NGU.
tl;dr: You're wrong.
>why would you need higher resolution?
Because my eyes work.
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>>152378526
no shadows? fucking cartoons.
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>>152374635
We better have at least 100TB drives by then, 4k is going to be a data hog.
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>>152379881
urara is just kawaii uguu trash. no idea what are you talking about, make it 99999999999x6666666666666 resolution, it will still look bad.
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>>152379844
mp3 cuts off at 22khz. Human hearing is 20-20khz and reduces with age. There is hardly anything above 16khz in music, and even less for speech.
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>>152379804
>>152378508
Meant to link this post too
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>>152379844
192kbps mp3 is indistinguishable from FLAC in blind tests even on really good audio reproduction equipment that reproduces up to 20 kHz well, despite the hi-freq mp3 cutoff. It's counter-intuitive, but that's what the blind test studies show.
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>>152374635
>huge collections of anime
>100gb+
Nigga please. Also, who says all anime will be at that res? Most doesn't even come in full HD.

On the 4k, just wait until codecs catch up. AV1 sounds very interesting and HEVC is already here. I might buy a 4k TV late this year or the next for the sole reason that my current TV is being a bitch shutting itself off randomly.
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>>152379934
20hz-20khz, I mean.
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When I get my hands on >50TB, then I'll consider 4K videos.

Otherwise, its a waste of space
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>>152379929
We like cute girls doing cute things here.
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>>152379768
seriously does no one fucking read on this board that's entirely about one, shows we cant understand without reading, and two, comics that again, involve reading.

I was wrong in that it was op, my first responce was to someone who called what op said a small collection

>10 shows with 25 episodes each
and he called that 100's of gb,

i posted my collection is over 500 episodes and 55 for my unsorted folder and called him a fucking moron for getting bloated as fuck encodes.

>>152379809
no, my on hardrive collection of sorted is little under 7000 files and little over 1tb, Im just calling the person who said 250 episodes is hundreds of gb's a moron got going for 1:1 rips when you can get a 95% quality encode for 1/20th the file size.
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I'll just do what I always do, buy more storage.
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>>152379511
Congratulations, you don't know how ears work.
>eardrum nerves
>the nerves between our eardrums
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Gundam Thunderbolt at 4k was released just the other day. Anyone watched it? Compared with the 2k version, what's your impression of it?
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>>152380145
We'll have jacks built into our body which we'll plug in and beam perfect sounding audio directly to our primary and secondary auditory cortexes. There.
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How does /a/ still not know how encoding works? Some do but it should be more wide spread here.
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>>152380570
Why do so many people on /a/ with 1080p(+) monitors still download Horriblesubs 720p encodes of shows listed as HV1280+ on anibin?
Same answer: people are dumb.
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It's said even ten years ago some animation directors had to use a magnifying glass to draw detailed anime eyes. How much effort do they have to me in the 4k era. How terrifying.
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As for cel 35mm would only look good in 4K.
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>>152374635
>huge collections of anime (100gb+)
>huge
Hahahahaha.
>replace your entire collection with 4k videos
Why would you need 4K for low budget TV shows?
Maybe for movies it would make sense but for TV stuff that's overkill.
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Can't wait for Eva in 4k.
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>>152380747
That's not really a concern, considering there were what, two anime ever made in 35mm?
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>>152374635
Only bigshot title will animated in high-res, while the other will stay the same.
They can't even do shit right with current standard, how do you think they'll step up and starting to make anime in higher resolution?
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>>152380682
>ACCA 13 district inspection division 1 story
Station: TOKYO MX
>broadcast date: 2017/01/10
>Production: Madhouse
>rating: HV1280
>but chromatic aberration mock filter tired eyes riding color to the contour of the line in, clearly the quality of the line close to the black.
>Although I use the noise effect firmly, most of it seems to be a picture that is crushed and refreshed, where there is little compression degradation and little disorder of the line contours where there is little movement. It seems to be a smooth line with moderate blurring, but since the line is thin, there are many places where it is a line remaining jaggy at the resolution limit.
>Even if you look at everything with less disturbing resize, features of vertical 720 are beautiful left, this time also HV 1280 Mad House.
>HMMM MUH BLACK LINES
>MUH FILTERS
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
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>tfw 1050p monitor
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>>152374635
>you have to replace your entire collection with 4k videos?

I don't have to do shit. Not everyone is a toolbag like you.
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>>152374635
>100gb+
>huge
Bitch I have over 6TB of anime and that is still small.
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>>152381026
What, no

>>152380747
They're beginning to look pretty bad in FHD
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How do you name your files?
Keeping the original title and [subgroup] looks ugly and often fucks up the alphabetical order, but if I rename everything myself /a/ makes fun of me when I post screencaps.
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>>152374635
>huge collections
>100gb+

what?
10TB would be medium sized
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>>152374635
>100gb+
>huge collection
What fucking site am I on?
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>>152383401
>but if I rename everything myself /a/ makes fun of me when I post screencaps.
Do something like pic related. Sub groups are unbelievably retarded by putting their name before the series title. That shit should belong at the end of the string, I don't remember who subs them, I remember the series title. On a similar note, it's the same shit with eromango titles, putting the event first instead of the group or artist.
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>>152374635
I can't believe how retarded you and all this posters in this must be, all of srsly, but this entire picture (besides his statement) is completley BULLSHIT.
>SD 720x480
this resolution was an entire disaster with all this fucking pal dvd interlacing shit. why do you even take an resolution besides 4:3 and 16:9?
Are you mentally ill?
>no 720p mentioned
Wait what? Why do you left this one out?
>4k 4096x2160
>4096x2160
Wtf is wrong with you? You will never. NEVER. get a BD resolution. You clearly don't know what you are even talking about.
OPs mind is like
>4K resolution must contain a 4. Maybe the same number like 4GB RAM lul. Wait, I need another number? Just double the 1080 pixels.
You dumb cunt, this is DCI 4K, a native resolution. You will never get in touch with this. This entire thread is purely cancer, and that nobody blamed OP as the epitome of disgrace which he is gives me eboaids.
Fucking google before you shitpost.
Besides of this, I will completly update my collection, I love counting pixels.
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>>152383525
I mean the filenames of each episode, not the folders.
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I have an 8TB NAS with a duplex gigabit NIC.
What thefuck do I care?
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>>152378368
Just fucking watch Shirobako, man.
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>>152383605
I'm sorry, I didn't read your post correctly. What do you mean it fucks alphabetical order? If you leave them as is, then it should all be fine on episodes. To include titles, I'd go with <episode number> <episode title> <anime title> <the rest>.
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>>152383669
>8TB NAS
>duplex gigabit NIC.

lol you're like a little baby
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>>152374635
The only thing's that will have 4k detail are scans of old cel anime.
Same as almost nothing is actually 1080p.
Although 4k is about the limit for 16mm shot shows so if you grab them (most notably probably Utena) you'll probably never have to upgrade you archival copy.
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>>152383669
>not having a Debian server with a 16TB RAIDz2 array being backed up every 2 days on tape
Even this is casual, where are the /g/ hoarders with 100TB+?
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>>152383743
>running zfs on linux
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>>152383529
you booty bothered? pooper peeved? you seem rectal ravaged and anally agitated. go back to /r/animee and you'll feel better, kiddo.
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>>152374987
Please stop. This hurts to read.
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>>152383789
>running *BSD
>running I can't get my RAID5/6 going btrfs
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>>152377577
I know you're replying to a fucking tard but I need to get this off my chest
>backgrounds
>hand drawn
Not this decade. The Flip Flappers of the world are the extreme minority.
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>>152383804
>Am I feeling bothered by reading bullshit?
Yes.
>Are you as much retarded as OP for not giving a shit on bullshit like he posted?
Unfortunately yes.
I pray for your family next sunday, deer son.
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>>152374635
>(100gb+)
>huge
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>>152378721
>framerate on a still image
Love this /v/ meme so much.
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>>152383852
>>152383852
>>152383789
>>152383743
>>152383728
>>152383669

/g/ plz go
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All these resolutions won't mean shit if anime is still stuck at 30fps.
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>>152383988
This thread is going to blow /a/
Ffs pls tell me you are trolling.
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>>152384017
It's 2017. There is no excuse to still be stuck in the old age.
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>>152383956
The only board I genuinely enjoy to browse is /a/. /g/ is a terrible place, I wouldn't mind if it was nuked for a few weeks.
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>>152384097
Holy troll. You got me. Google 23.976 for the sake of god.
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>>152383988
>>152384097
You can't be serious.
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>>152383956
>that wallpaper
>those dolls
>all those bottles of eyedrops
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>4k anime
>when everything hand drawn and basically upscaled even in 1080p
my sides
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>>152374635
I always download 480p anyway, or the lower size available. I can barely tell the difference and it saves space. I won't have to replace anything.
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>>152374635
>100gb+

How unbelievably autistic someone has to be to save files he will never use again?

I knew /a/ has the lowest average IQ out of all boards but damn this is far surpasses my wildest expectations
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>>152384416
>IQ
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>>152374949
Anime is not generally produced in 720p
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>>152384416
Sad story you have no friends for spontaneous rewatches.
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>>152374635
Except I won't have to because it's not like all the anime I have will suddenly be rereleased in 4k.
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>>152374635
>huge collection
>100gb
What the fuck? I have 4tb and I don't consider it huge.
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>>152384327
hownew.ru
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>>152384824
OP just downloaded his first two anime, Naruto and One Piece, and thinks that makes his collection huge.
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>>152374635
>replacing my collection
>not archiving it and downloading 4k to have both
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>>152384824
I have 1,45GB worth of anime, do I belong to the big guys now?
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>>152385298
>1.45gb
That is like 5-7 episodes of something airing this season.
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>>152385345
I am sorry, I meant 1,45TB.
It's all 720p though because I am unable to tell a difference.
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I don't archive anime because it's pointless. I can't see myself ever rewatching more than a couple of series per year since I have finite free time and I also follow new anime. For those just redownload whatever is best quality currently and keep them afterwards.

For the truly liked series you should always support the creators and buy BDs or whatever 4K equivalents to come out. I don't even have a 4K monitor and I'm sure 99% of /a/ doesn't either.
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I always download in 1080p to ensure that all my videos are future-proof. If you archive files in 720p, you are gimping yourself when you purchase a new monitor (say, a 4k monitor) as it will not upscale correctly and will result in black borders.

I can't wait for 4k anime so that I can replace my 1080p ones.
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>>152377984
>>152378091

imagine fire breaking out in that room and everything is gone within seconds
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>>152374635

I don't, because they won't make anime in 4k, except for some rare random ones that nobody will keep after watching once.
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>>152378425
See, this is why we have to learn from the French
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>>152375874

Or watching four 1080p videos at once.
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>>152377932

>he's poor
>he doesn't have a dozen 5tb drives filled to the last bit
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>>152374635
>implying I'll have a 4k tv/monitor
The difference isn't so big I'm gonna drop cash on it. Might upgrade if they're not too pricy when something breaks
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>>152377807

Ahhahaha get fucking out. I can clearly tell the difference between my 4k and old fullhd screen. You have to realize people have differences, oldfucks with poor eyesight can't even tell 720 from 1080 without a magnifying lens.
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Why would I need to redownload my collection? They won't bring out 4k versions of the majority of anime made before it switches.
And 100gb is huge?
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>>152384170
What's so stupid about his post beyond the fact that most anime is 24fps rather then 30?

Increasing the framerate would allow for smoother animation if studios took advantage ofit.
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>>152383401
[group] title - episode # [resolution and minutia]
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>>152385647
yea, sure, looking at it in the store up close no fucking shit, and when a 1080p is right next to it to try and upsell the 4k, yea, it looks better.

Then you get home, put it in your entertainment center, and sit a good 7 feet away from it, there is no discernible difference between it and 1080p, and at that distance and around 60 inches, you are hard pressed to see the difference between 1080 and 720. I mean sure if you live in a trailer park and have absolutely no room, your ass sitting only a few feet if that from a 50~ inch, sure, you can see a difference, but I live in a house, and most people live in apartments, the rooms are big enough that you need 100+ inch to get passed 1080p looking good and into 4k being a necessity.

let's also assume you are an outlier someone with lower than 20/20 vision, realise you are a VAST minority

>>152385644
Im looking at a 4k 50 inch tv for a monitor, would love the 4 1080p worth of screen real estate, the whole bigger screen when I lay back in bed and watch the monitor.
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>>152374635
>when 4k comes out
I still have a whole decade to prepare.
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>>152385792

>entertainment center

Fucking normalfag, get out of /a/ and sudoku yourself.
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>>152385792
>lay back in bed and watch the monitor
I literally cannot fathom the subhumans that do this. How can you lay down and use a PC? When you lay down, go to sleep. Sitting in bed to read or do something can be pleasurable, but laying is cancerous.
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>>152385527
720p has the same aspect ratio you dolt.

But archiving 1080p is not a bad idea.
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>>152385905
This.
There are pocket PCs called smartphones to do that stuff
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4K resolution doesn't introduce new information and is therefore redundant.
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>>152385905
have a several hour long play list queued up, and a mattress that is among the more expensive non investment things I own considering how often it's used and the value of having a good one, it's quite literally one of the best seats in the house.

then add in a g13 I have set up to function as a remote in mpc hc and you have next to no need to be at the computer.

with a steam controller right next to you in case you require mouse movements.

>>152385527
4k is 2 1080 tall and wide, it is also 3 720 tall and wide, it scales both resolutions pixel perfect, unlike 720 to 1080 and 1080 to 1440 (720 does scale perfect to that resolution though)

a good gpu and processing can make it look good, but it is very hard to beat pixel perfect scaling.
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>>152374635
>100gb
>Big
Casuals
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>>152386010
Are those BD images? Is there even that much anime?
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>>152386062
to have 3.75pb he would literally need at the very least 75 of the biggest ssds ever made (50tb) or 375 10tb hdds (if formating was perfect for both),

At best this is an image of a computer he uses at work at worst he doctored the image.
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>>152386138
It isn't shooped.
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>>152386138
Having 100 HDD seems believable and 500 isn't much of a stretch.
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>>152386010
is that phopped or just some server
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>>152386478
those 100 cost nearly 20 grand each
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>>152386659
I'm speaking about 8TB HDD which are around $200. That's just 1 million for 4PB.
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I just had a revolution the other day that I was never going to watch all the garbage anime I keep stored on my hard drive so I went out on a limb and deleted 700 gigs of anime to make space for the Eva BDs.

Feels good, man.
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>>152374635
>he thinks anime like school rumble will ever get a release beyond 640x480
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>>152374635
>100+ GB
Lad literally one full season of anime is twice that size
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>>152386809
8TB HDDs are 200 bucks today, they used to be a fucking lot more.
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Bitrate > Resolution
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Ok, let me get this straight. Anime is made in 720p, but the 1080p you see on sites is really just upscaled?
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>>152387839
There is a blog that estimates what resolution the airing anime are produced in.
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>>152387866
So then those BD 1080p really aren't 1080p?
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>>152387882
Reread his post you fucking moron
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>>152387882
That depends on the anime. A few studios have been producing anime in HVFull in recent years.
Then there's old film based anime that are a completely different beast.
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>>152387947
I see. Guess I should stick to 720p then until anime catches up to technology.
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>>152387995
We've reached the point where more than half of the new anime are produced in resolutions above 720p.
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>>152374635
>huge
>100 gb
Even when I had slow interent and it would take me days to download a 1 cour series, I had 500 gbs. That was small time.
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I watch all my anime in 360p. Your eyes can't distinguish between resolutions any higher than 360p.
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>>152388190
>implying humans can distinguish between resolutions higher than 9p and color depth above 1 bit
Retard
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>>152388208
It's scientifically proven that 640x200 (line doubled) with 8 colors is the most pleasant for human viewers.
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>>152388267
You know looking at this suddenly reminded me of Civ 2
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>>152387995
I don't think there's much reason to watch non-bluray in 1080 but you may as well get the 1080 version of blurays.
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>>152374635
It's not like all my old anime is suddenly going to be in 4k so why would I care?
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>>152374987
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>>152374987
that's not how that works,at all.
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I have 4tb hard drive. I want to get icons for my folders. It might motivate me to get some series off my backlog.

>>152374635
I doubt half the series are going to be re-released it that quality so it doesn't matter really.
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>>152389243
>half
Almost none of them will be.
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>>152378526
It may be fluid but its artstyle is garbage.
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>>152389258
Yup, exactly. There will be no replacing being done and the way I prefer it.
I'll just focus on useless anime icons.
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>>152389258
>>152389243
Practically speaking only 70mm anime is going to benefit greatly from 4k.
And there's like 2 anime photographed in 70mm.
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>>152374635

I only get the occasional movie in 1080, most anime are not drawn for 1080 resolution yet. As for 4k, well that's still 5+ years away from even hitting broadcast television. I watch animu on a 27" monitor and it's not a 4K screen so as yet I have absolutely no need to worry.

Call me when they start doing 4K BD releases or TV broadcasts at that resolution. I already have 7TB of animu, just means I need to get more drives.

How many of you even keep the 60GB BDs? I aim for movies of about 90min:5gb ratio, decent quality even on a 60" TV, going for the 90min:10gb still seems like overkill.
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>>152385905

I lie in bed and watch TV/animu. My ass gets sore if I sit still for 3+ hours, so much more comfortable in bed. If I had a better step up of a proper lounge chair with leg rest it would be great but that's a $1000 chair and too heavy to use the way I want (constant movement from desk/distance to fold out).
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Even if they re-release 4K versions of those old anime, they'll just be shitty upscales. Who gives a shit
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>Nearly on 8TB
100GB is fuck all really
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>>152391373
To be honest since every year amounts to roughly 1.5 TB these days, you can just buy a 2TB on an arbitrary day each year.
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>>152388166

We've come a long fucking way from the 35mb rmvb episodes I used to hunt down on kazaa and limewire. Those burgeoning years of DSL and the rapid technological change was amazing. Never again to be worried that some asshole would use the phone and ruin a few hours worth of downloading that few meg file. Even 10 years ago 100gb wouldn't have been a huge haul, I was lugging a 500GB external around by then. At least there will always be archivists out there, saving everything in multiple locations to store away. one day maybe I will have that mythological capability to store 'everything' locally, but for now 30TB is too damn much even spread across 2 towers.

Does anyone do some sort of home server set ups with the poormans method (cheap box, PCIe cards to expand number of SATA ports and used as a NAS). Is somehow getting a rack in the house better? I'm more of a storage guy, I have no interest in heavy computing power, I just want to archive fucking everything.
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>>152391373
I have 2TB and I only handpick like ~5 a season and delete the trash shows. Granted this is bloated by movies that are 10GB a pop.
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>>152391405
Where do you put all those drives anon
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>>152391474

I'm fine with deleting shows that come out every season since they aren't the final finished version, I usually archive the BDs if I liked them enough the only exceptions are if it doesn't look good in BD or it hasn't been released on that format yet.

Then again I have a file hording problem and could easily fill up a 2TB with higher end quality anime and anime films the day I get it.
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>>152391467
>the 35mb rmvb episodes I used to hunt down on kazaa and limewire
Not that anon but I would use Real Player to download off of shitty streaming sites and direct download. What a fool I was.
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>>152378820
>Escha & Logy
Buying Atelier Firis anon?
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>>152391527
>are if it doesn't look good in BD
How?
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>>152391496
Just put them on a rack? I mean larger desktop cases have 6-8 internal HDD slots anyway. Presuming you buy 6 TB HDDs instead of 2 TB HDDs, you're looking at 6*6/1.5 = 24 years of current anime blu-ray sizes. By that time, we'll have like 100 TB hard drives and anime might be out of business.
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>>152391564

There's a lot of early 00s series which got fucked over during the digital switch over and just don't look all that good in BD.
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>>152391571
>anime might be out of business.
I wonder what degenerate entertainment will be popular by then.
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>>152391703
Sexbots, DMMOs fuck physics IMAGINATION, or WWIII.
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>>152391571

This. My internal has 8 SATA ports. Other than the SSD all drives are 2TB+, I have 17TB of storage locally with many more drives else where (for TV/mainsteam material). The core issue is slowly updating with 4/6/8 as a drive reaches full (or reaches 3~ years old). My Mobo was in the $250 price range, so if you've gone for something in the $50 range you'll have 4 ports at best. Always the option of buying drives and using a dock. HDDs are only getting more and more reliable (in my experience, had no internal drives die in the last 6 years while in operation, whilst 2 external have died at the 5 year old mark). Granted I've used WD greens/reds for a while, so I've always seen them as low activity drives for purely storage functions. Just make sure you keep a record of what you have.
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>>152391773
It's always a good idea to keep a file table of some sort or even just a plain listing / tagging scheme that lets your sort by year, by name, by genre, etc.
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>>152391887

My memory is still good enough to see a series name and start the recall process of what it was and how I felt about it. But I've always been interested into some sort of program that you can index a folder/drive and do that sort of tagging. Not something that has to look up some website for it's information, but a glorified excel with better interface, that can pull folder names and contents, dump some meta data (length, file type, name) and then allow user to add other tags (year, genre).
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>>152391703

Faux nerd trend will have died out in the western countries, VR and some form of cyber punk and grunge will be popular, Otaku culture will rise in the west but it'll be similar to how Capeshit started to get big in 07/08 with the Gits and Death Note adaptations.
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>>152375871
>>152377745
Just stream if you're going to download your anime in 720p anyway. It doesn't take up space on your hard drive, it doesn't take time to download, and it's not impossible to find seeders if the anime is more than a few moths old. Only the most delusional torrentfags would choose not to.
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Is anyone working on high grade upscaling technology, something like that waifu2x thing? Old anime is never going to be remade in higher resolutions and it's already crazy how small Akazukin Chacha is on my monitor.
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>>152392067
Linux can do that to an extent, but then again Linux can do almost anything as long as you're autistic enough to do it
I've found directory tagging scripts before but if you're not interested in that noise, you can simply do, say -
[2017win]YoujoSenki-Bluray-[FFF]1080AAC-Historical.Isekai.Salaryman.WWI.Magic.Loli
So on so forth
It's definitely not perfect, of course.
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>>152392180
>impossible to find seeders if the anime is more than a few months old
Secret Club. Older anime that you can't find seeders for and you have no backups of get streamed anyway.
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>>152392180

I find old shit all the time, just gotta know where to look (not public trackers for fucks sake). Even streaming sites get killed frequently, so how are you going to survive that as well, both methods are reliant on someone re-uploading/making available their content. Streaming on some connections is shit, you can't seek smoothly without waiting 10+minutes for the file to DOWNLOAD to temp. Meaning that I could have just downloaded and kept the file to do as I please. Most streams still use local temps, especially jewtube like services, you're not seeking on an external file, it's why your browser will start to eat memory if you have dozens of html5/flash videos open, they're all being locally stored in some manner. In other cases of true live streaming the data is read and dumped on the fly, but would also have some seeking issues depending on connection speed and the hosting services capabilities. You've not accounted for set-and-forget for overnight downloading either.
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>>152375875
Oh man, I wanted to post that picture. Curse you for being online at this time.
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>>152387381
I know that feel
It's liberating
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>not upscaling his VHS captures with VLS
Pleb
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>>152392180
>it doesn't take time to download
Streaming is downloading, you mongoloid.
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Do you guys backup all those metric tons of archived anime? How do you deal with it when the hdds start failing?
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>>152396074
I use an external hard drive for the shows I actually care about.
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>>152396074
See >>152391571 and >>152391405
Even if you did a full backup, you'd only be burning through 3 terabytes yearly and that's assuming you're downloading literally every show that comes out (I'm preassuming that you're only downloading blu-rays and only by one group / downloading the subs seperately if you have more than one group). If you buy a full-sized desktop tower you can easily fit in 10-15 years worth of hard drives even assuming full backup.
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>>152374635
>4k
>relevant
Nah, full hd is fine and 1440x900 is more than good enough for pretty much everything.
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>>152396074
I have them mirrored. Thinking of falling for the tape meme so I could rest easy until DNA storage becomes a thing.
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>>152396074
Whether is be internal HDDs or external HDDs, you're going to be replacing them every 3-4 years. You can reuse the old HDDs as unhooked/stored backup HDDs. And then get rid of them when you replace the new ones 3-4 years down the line.
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>>152396074
At that point you would use Tapes too.
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I still download 720p desu senpai
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>anime is not even completely produced in 1080p
>lol 4k soon
Ha. The eye can't see past 2K resolution anyway.
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>>152374635
I have only stored Haruhi's entire collection (two seasons, film and spin offs) and it's not much material, thankfully. I will only have to get the typical annual bd-box with the same fucking content in 4K because S3 never
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What the hell, when did /g/ raid /a/? Go back to your board
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>>152374635
Anime is still in 720p. Hell, most broadcast stuff is still 720p or 1080i. Movies are mostly 1920x1080 and slowly moving to higher res. Even games struggle with 4k and will continue to do so for another 4 years since dual card solutions are going the way of PhysX.

So yeah, as much as your electronic companies would like you to believe, the reality is that 4k is still has a long way to go to be mainstream.
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>>152374635

>4k videos
4K only should for movies or Tv series with incredibly intricate backgrounds. Look how amazing are Wixoss backgrounds in 1080.

Few animes benefits of 1080 or bigger, Anime today though realize they don't need high definition because characters lack of details in her faces and bodies or backgrounds are just photos of real places with some Photoshop filter.
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>>152378425
>family guy is better animated than most anime
Well, yes. That's what happens when you pour several million per episode vs a hundred thousand or so per episode.
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>>152402192
Imagine what the Japanese could produce with that kind of episode budget.
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>>152386478
>>152386809
>That's just 1 million for 4PB
So you're saying that "I spent a million dollars on anime storage" is a believable claim from a random fag on /a/?
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>>152374987
i chuckled
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>>152404331
To be fair. The Japanese saves tons of money by paying their animators with cup noodles and a firm pat on the ass instead of an actual wage they can live off of.
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>>152404874
Animators deserve to be exploited like the dumb omega otaku that they are.
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>>152374635
>tfw I stream
Feels good desu.
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>>152374635
Stupid nigger you wanna download the resolution the source is at, no anime are made at 4k and won't be for a long time, most aren't even 1080p yet.

Now go kill yourself for being this stupid and making worthless threads.
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>>152404444
Spending 1 million sounds believable. But for anime storage it seems way too much. You could simply buy every volume/box of every anime released on BD in Japan and it would cost less.
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>>152404874
So they get paid just like every other single person in the real world who isn't a manager, uh?
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>>152404955
Well considering what they draw nowadays you're not wrong.
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>>152405197
Animators should have learned a real normal job first before trying to become animators, so that they have something to fall back on after being chewed through, and to actually have real-world experience in other things that they can bring into anime.
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>>152404971
MODS MODS MODS
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>>152404874
>To be fair. The Japanese saves tons of money by paying their animators with cup noodles and a firm pat on the ass instead of an actual wage they can live off of.
And American Animators are lazy.
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>>152374635
Even though I watch anime in a Full HD TV, I still download most stuff in 720p.
No point in wasting 1GB per episode for something that looks almost the same to me as the 300-500MB releases.
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>>152374635
Only retards download everything in 1080p. Most shows are fine with 720p.
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>>152407192
Even in 1080 the size is honestly neglible these days considering the sizes of desktop HDDs that you can just slot a new one in for when you fill up
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>>152407279
No.
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>>152407328
Yes? Buy another fucking hard drive, it's like a hundred bucks for 4TB these days. An entire season of anime is like, 350-500 GB if that. You can have literally two years worth in a 4TB hard drive.
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>>152407426
And I do mean an entire season, as in you're downloading literally everything.
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>>152407426
Haha. Here they're 170-180 bucks which means full two weeks of work.
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>>152407634
oh I uh
sorry
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>>152407426
Just bought a 4tb for 130 USD. I remember getting my fist 500 gb for like 70 bucks ten years ago. Good times. I really thought I was amazing for having 500 gb.

>>152407634
Sorry anon.
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>>152374635
>4k
>It's actually 2160p
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>>152409337
And the pixel amount is 8M.
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>>152374635
I doubt the studios are going to release 4K blu-rays with sophisticated AutismTek™ neural network upscalers and sharpeners like I have in my setup.
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>>152374635
You realize there's little to no advantage in using 4K instead of 1080p right? At least if you're watching from a normal distance from the TV.
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