Or was it uploaded already?
Once the OST is out, someone needs to do a fan edit of Yayaka's transformation.
That scene deserved a better musical buildup. Henshin itself was scored alright, but the silence before it did not work. FLFL has a pretty neat "culmination" battle theme that usually went in pair before the one used during transformation (it's used in eps 3 and 8, from what I recall).
>immediately making a new plifplaffer thread
Why do you even, it's like, I mean, ugh. Stop, just... Stop.
I'm looking for the battle musics of episode 5 the most, during the rush towards the tower and inside the tower.
B-but we're just waiting for the OST I swear!
Calm your tits Yayakat
Flip Flappers was amazing up until Sempai episode. Then it all went down hill from there. Felt like it was pushing its "go be independent, hikki man, don't be ruled by your overprotective mommy" too hard.
But episode 8 was one of the most fun, ep 9 had Yayaka's sacrifice and Mimi wrecking everyone was fun to watch, Yayaka's henshin was great too and the pure love ending was great tool.
>Are there any other anime with even bigger soundtrack albums?
Most of them?
Watch more anime.
>I'm and idiot and don't post on 4chan.
Could have gone the whole thread without mentioning that.
Lurk moar or don't post at all, fag.
At this rate, Flip Flappers is going to become a Madoka-tier circlejerk
Make sure you fuck up all the way back to where you came from.
It's reused for him. And once in the lab.
Alright, I've found the track they should have used in episode 12: track 47. Later on (the preview cuts before that) it has a pitch perfect buildup for 51.
But smaller, and without the vast amounts of eternal OC, and with a show that's still struggling to not be an utter flop despite being popular but it seems only in the west.
I'm just kidding, it's nowhere near that level, not even close, not until we have tripfags roleplaying with each other and blogging about their daily lives on general #583.
We still got a little bit more of information coming from the director here and there, some last pieces of official art and a few things to discuss about the series, and the OST and blu rays which we don't know if they'll change anything for the last episodes or not.
荒れ果てた広野 ～Pustá země～
フリップフラッピング！ ～FLIP FLAPPING!～
フリップフラッパーズ ～FLIP FLAPPERS～
fuck i'm hype as for these full tracks
Still waiting for that OST to appear on animebytes...
Ep3 was so crazy good. Still can't forget my happy shock when they suddenly pulled that off, I could hardly believe the cute girls and magic show was suddenly pulling this off.
>Hi. I'm Papika, PhD in 2nd wave feminist theory, and I'm here to tell you why glue-gushing gonorrhea geometry is not necessary for sexual satisfaction.
>First, observe the way my lovely assistant (that's you, Cocona) wraps her thighs around my head. Many skeptics on the Christian right have made dubious allegations about whether or not this is natural. I ask you, gentlemen, that if this is not natural, how can you explain the snug way in which these divine pillows hug my face like a pair of sapho-erotic earmuffs?...oh! Smells like lavender today....Cocona would like that part struck from the record.
>Secondly, we know from past, well documented experiments that Coconas and Cocona prototypes do not respond well to phallic contact. The Cocona Mk Mimi was so dissatisfied with Salt- I mean...the subject's inadequate penis, she almost blew up everything and tried to consume her daughter with the gaping, blood belching maw of eldritch horror that he had left behind.
>Now, I know what you are all thinking. "But we need warty hotdogs to manufacture more Coconas! How can you deprive the world of such majestic beauty?" While it may be true with our current technology, Cocona and I have been searching her fridge and dresser drawer extensively for a substitute. We expect to make a breakthrough some time in the next year, though further trial runs may be needed to confirm our findings.
>Finally, I feel the need to address the question that PR has received more than any other. "Alright, Papika, I get that Cocona has a life-threatening allergy to weenies, but surely that doesn't mean she needs 'your' lesbo-mutant ham wallet, right? Why can't she be with an ugly blonde slut with no curves?"
>We here at Papika industries take your concerns very seriously, and we appreciate your letters and the return addresses on them. Thank you and goodnight.
Papika's enormous intellect was destined for greater things than that.
This guy walks up to your girl at the bar and does this. What do?
That's the one song I wanted the most!
Thanks a lot.
>not using nip appuru credits
More of episodes 1 to 6.
Other Amorphous gatherers that they have to battle.
Going into Pure Illusions to help people or to fix peoples memories or mental states that have been disrupted by badguy amorphous gatherers.
The exploration of different pure illusions based on different life experiences.
also we need to see that space ship pure illusion and the bubble beanstalk pure illusion
Maybe set like five years later, showing how the characters developed.
Nyunyu is now Hidaka's lab assistant, who constantly annoys him with her presence.
Sayuri is some kind of local politician, maybe? She keeps the amorphous children.
Yayaka is a genius who got into a really good school-- turns out she could be an effortless overachiever without asclepius breathing down her neck.
Cocona decided to become an artist, to recapture the feelings she got from Pure Illusion, after losing the ability to go there for some reason.
Nobody knows where Papika went.
Maybe they all get jobs in a reformed Flip Flap, guiding a new group of girls on an adventure of self-discovery in Pure Illusion, just as miraculously amazing as this season's cast.
We have to find out more about Bu-chan. What are his(their?) dreams, likes (besides masochism and the bodies of underaged girls) and dislikes? When he looks at himself in the mirror, is he horrified by what he has become, or does he think the whole robot thing is pretty neat? Can he can ever go back to being human? What if he gets to have his brain put back to his old body on the weekends, and this whole living wastebasket gig isn't "who he really is"? What if he's actually a lounge singer or a pretty-boy lady killer in his human form?
Maybe have some high "drama," with Papika acting as the main antagonist, but it turns out the whole thing was just a misunderstanding that got resolved, but played with real emotion.
Should end with a marriage. Between three people. Not saying which three.
>>Nyunyu is now Hidaka's lab assistant, who constantly annoys him with her presence.
>ooooh what does this button do?
Please tell me I'm not the only one old enough to remember this show.
more flapping, less flipping
and much less flopping
>meta tags say this triumphant, uplifting song is called "Trading Places"
>trading places is the one thing in this show that you must absolutely, never ever do if you don't want to create a lot of tragedy and grief.
>Papika and Cocona, through their henshins etc... do this constantly.
And you kids say that Flip Flappers isn't dark!
It still rustles me how one side of their stockings looks like spray paint.
What's the species? Why do you guys hate it?
I'm so fucking jealous right now.
A doujin, it's pretty faithful to the original story though. I didn't read it fully yet, but it's about them going to Jack and the beanstalk PI and there is giant Sayuri and Yayaka mentions how Cocona always seem to fall for older women.
The gradient was kinda cool, it was unique at least.
The color scheme might have been better though, black/white with a bit of pink for both, not sure if that was the best way to go.
Something more colorful and that matched their color schemes would have been more recognizable.
He said he wouldn't so we're gonna have to wait for them to pop up somewhere else
don't worry, it'll happen. The sales might have flopped in Japan but at least the show has some good fans in the west.
Are you the ost uploader anon?
You already shared the best songs so thanks for that.
I get what you mean, I'd feel a bit sad with sharing the show's stuff for free too in that position.
No not that guy sorry. Don't want to bother stripping Apple DRM if I don't have to. I also have the physical CD coming on Thursday so I'm pretty sure someone will have a rip by then anyway.
Now you just have to scan it
Or just take photos of pages
I need it
I think I'll just buy it
>inb4 >buying music
>inb4 >buying music
This is Flip Flappers we're talking about here, you better damn well be buying the music.
Mother fucker! the moment i finished posting >>152385046 i get this fucking Email about my order. They can't say shit like they sold out, i pre-ordered the damn thing.
I'm not posting the FLAC. Anyone who knows what they're doing should be able to tell these aren't lossy transcodes.
Thanks for spoonfeeding.
No seriously, thanks.
It's funny how Nyaa is actually pretty shit when it comes to finding OSTs for non-popular shows (for example the OST for Anti-Magic Academy is still not on Nyaa), while some anon usually has it in some obscure thread at 5am in the morning after release date.
Wasn't around but thanks.
Thanks a lot. The FLAC will show up at some point anyway and this more than does it for listening purposes.
And it's up there too, I guess.
All right, now to wait for the figures.
Doujin, anon, please
I'm hearing tracks I never noticed, 06. ゴルドベルク変奏曲 BWV988 for instance is beautiful, must have played in the first episode. Time to rewatch I guess.
I have received a ost of flip flappersfinally today.
It was wonderful.
Amazon's copies are already sold out until the 21st anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. And CDJapan offers the points system and shit. Waiting a few extra days for shit to arrive doesn't really matter, and I dislike Amazon for personal reasons. It sucks that the guy got his order postponed, but he probably just pre-ordered too late. I had no problem getting mine shipped out.
Well you paid ¥200 less so you got me there
I'm a shitty fan that doesn't have the money to buy it, but I knew it was going to be great since episode 3. At 1 I had suspicions and at 2 I was already hype but 3 was when I was ready to bet it was going to be great.
After that it kept getting better and peaked at 9 for me.
>someone got to eat actual Papicake
so what you're saying is that what they're lying in isn't water...
It's called 大逆転, so big reversal. Basically coming back from a pinch and winning, which is what the song is usually used for.
The subtitle is likely meant in that way since the other subtitles in the languages I get seem to simply be translations of the Japanese title. 研究室 ~Laboratory~ 暗躍の夜 ~Nuit des manœuvres secrètes~ 時の逆流 ~Backward flow of time~ 不安 ~Anxiété~ etc.
So, do we agree that Eva was Flip Flap's doom? It's obvious the anime was influenced in the second part with the idea of "pushing the plot forward" and "having character introspection with flashbacks".
Fucking Eva. Fuck this anime.
Damn, the OST is so good.
So, 側に… is the Over the Rainbow arrangement that plays during the Cocona and Yayaka flashback while 虹の彼方へ is the one that plays when Cocona and Papika are playing in the snow and some other scenes with the two of them.
It applies here because whatever meaning of rogue you're thinking of is a connotative baggage ascribed to the dictative meaning. There's a good reason the archetype of the "dashing rogue" is still something relevant in discussion of fiction. Getting caught up in connotation is silly when singular words can hold so many disparate connotations.
Before this comfy thread gets ruined: I (>>152395668) just used Google Translate, I don't speak Czech.
Out of those two, rogue is the most accurate translation to the Japanese title, ならず者.
Considering how some are very accurate and others slightly off, it really seems to be the case that they were translating the Japanese into other languages.
I know nothing about Czech and am just stating what the initial intention behind the choice of the word seems to have been. Not seeking to join the discussion of meanings it turned into.
I'm not claiming that you shouldn't apply them, simply that it's not necessary to nor is it incorrect to not apply a particular connotative meaning when an alternative is still in use.
Referring to a rogue as a noun is still clearly identifying the referent shared by vagrant. The only way you could take issue with this is if you're so limited in vocabulary that you've never encountered the word used as a noun, or because you're so out of touch that your familiarity comes exclusively from RPGs. Rogue's use as a verb and adjective both come from its meaning as a noun and the RPG fantasy archetype comes from the association between vagrants and criminal activity.
I think the album cover >>152379420 is a subtle reference to the band members.
>composer with top hat
tracks like these come once a blue moon
Why are you getting upset.
I already answered your question:
The original meaning of the word rogue applies here because the original meaning is still in use. There's no reason to expect a translation to avoid applying a valid use of relevant language. Rogue is equally valid to vagrant or wanderer in that translation as they all share the same referent, which is congruent with that if the original japanese phrase.
Do you have a counterpoint or are you going to ask me to repeat it again?
Both of you are both right and wrong because the meaning of words is ultimately not objective. That we can write useful dictionaries at all is just a result of the fact that for the most commonly used words there's wide agreement. Prescriptivists have tried futilely for centuries to dictate how language should be used, but language as a system doesn't respond well to that kind of deliberate marshaling.
With rarer words, or with very particular shades of meaning, it's much more difficult to come to a consensus because the word or the context you're using it in isn't used commonly enough by a large enough portion of the population. There are "rogue waves," for example, the name of which could be interpreted as a really bad wave that causes damage, or a wave that nobody expected or with unprecedented force. "Vagrant" in common usage can mean wanderer, but if you hear a policeman talking about "vagrants" you can be pretty sure he's not talking about the orbits of the planets.
tl; dr: STFU
thanks for explaining yourself. i think you should try to be a bit more concise next time. your posts were full of a bunch of stuff that was tangential but not actually answering the question asked.
Anyway, I agree with >>152395689 , vagrant or wanderer is probably a better translation because it doesn't have the implication of lawlessness or unsavoriness (Papika is a rule-breaker, but only with regard to the statutory AOC) but I also agree with >>152395751 that it's a perfectly acceptable translation.
What should NOT have happened is for >>152395751 to get pissy about being corrected and for >>152395787 to respond in kind.
Vagrant actually does have the connoyation of lawlessness, to the extent that it's sometime used to describe criminals who have none of tye attributes of an actual vagrant. Vagrant children for example, just refers to unruly kids whose parents don't actively stop them from causing trouble.
Rogue tends to be a romantic word so it works well as a slightly elevated synonyn for wanderer.
I waited for this track.
>implying the Mimi tracks aren't godlike
You need to rewatch Flip Flappers one more time.
Salt is an audiophile since he was a shota. He will know.
Our world doesn't have giant sky butterflies. It's even more boring than the dedicated "boring" PI
Stop this nonsense, the story isn't difficult to understand, just some details might slip past you and some foreshadowing if you haven't watched it with /a/, analyzing every frame.
Was this inspired by Glorantha?
Pure illusion adventures are quite similar to heroquesting.
But it has got 4 strings, anon.
Kossori socchi o nozoitara,
socchi mo kocchi o nozoiteta.
Hitomi no oku ochiteiku,
koko wa doko nanoka naa?
Sotto te o tsunaidara,
Onnaji you ni kanjiteiru to,
naze ka wakarunda...
I corrected the version I found on the internet but the last sentence is leaving me quite confused. "司会あった絆それ"is all I can roughly understand. Any idea?
Anata ga miteiru mono o,
utsushiteiru Dripping tears
Tokei o sakasama ni tadotteita
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP tooi koe o
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP tojikometa
Kagi no kakatta hako o hiraitara
hora hirogaru yo
>大逆転 ～Trading Places～
I've been waiting way too long for this.
Anon, there's a booklet in the nyaa version.
Either way, here:
輝いてくＦＬＩＰ ＦＬＡＰＰＥＲＳ！！ＲＩＧＨＴ ＮＯＷ！
Is she retarded? Sharks aren't fish.
Man, the visuals in episode 5 were just amazing.
Just let it be. It's not a bad thing at all.
I ordered it on the day of release, used white rabbit express.
In my language sharks, rays and chimeras are called pseudo-fish as they differ quite a lot from propper bony fishes.
IDK, the genetic distance between them and carp might be greater than the genetic distance between carp and doplhin.
I like this guy. His technopop tracks are so funny.
>11-へんてこおばかさん ～Funny silly～
>26-おかしな実験 ～Mad science～
>27-時の逆流 ～Backward flow of time～
>38-LET'S FLIP FLAPPING！
Even the main tracks are laced with his techno samples.
>02-フリップフラッパーズ ～FLIP FLAPPERS～
>08-空飛ぶ期待感 ～Flying expectations～
>28-フリップフラッピング！ ～FLIP FLAPPING！～
How big is that tapestry?
And how will you deal with your guests when they'll inevitably ask questions about it?
Pic compares to the largest size wall-scrolls.
As for your other question
they're the ones who have to deal with it, not me
>It needs more Uexküll / Bu-chan
>The play a very important role
Will do. There's an entire section planned on animal/floral symbolism, I just need to read up on the flower language first.
>I love those comments since I can kill time by reading/watching those references now.
Most of the in-depth psychological comments calling out Gestalt and Collective Unconscious are from one person and I wish I could credit them by name alongside Blizz and Ange
Just skimming through, but it seems like you avoided tackling the subject of Mimi's characterization culminating in her role as the antagonist.
Was that deliberate or simply overlooked?
Please, let us know when major updates are coming.
I'm not the author. >>152411356 is.
It'd probably take quite some research before one can tie it into its actual source inspiration of Jungian interpretation of fairy tales. Not easy. I tried to borrow von Franz's book "The Interpretation of Fairy Tales" but it's missing in the library.
There's a notable japanese psychoanalyst from the Jungian school of thought who did a lot of work with fairytale interpretation, too. I can't recall their name offhand, but it was brought up in prior threads. They were very likely a direct source of inspiration for Oshiyama, so I would recommend trying to find some of their work to look through as well.
And while I agree relating Mimi's character to the Jungian fable archetype would be a productive direction of inquiry, you might want to start just with the simple (and likely most confusing) issues regarding her character like "why did she throw her baby away and turn into fragments?"
Since this is a guide to understanding Flip Flappers, understanding key plot points and events surrounding the primary antagonist would probably be really valuable --if possible.
Kawai Hayao? No idea what's been talked in these threads since I haven't been around since the 2nd up to yesterday, but Oshiyama mentioned him as an inspiration in the interview.
>issues regarding her character
I'm afraid those will be hard to defend. From what I observed casual audiences mostly find Mimi's characterization simplistic. I find it really hard to defend her characterization instead it'd be easier to explore the function and symbolism of her character within the whole plotline.
An analysis of how the ED is relevant based on this would be amazing.
I would also be interested in seeing how the prevalence of the apple/poisoned apple in the show relates to Jung's archetypes. I recall he had a few regarding the meaning of apples that were quite contrary to the traditional abrahamic interpretations, and which got expanded on and applied to fairy tales by later thinkers.
Interesting. Can't believe I'm tempted to get a psychology book with my next manga order.
Found what seems to be a summary post on the book. Just skimmed through it but these lines mentioning the two tendencies of the representation of mother/female figures in folk tales of either kind or frightening and how to take that duality caught my eye.
Seems worth reading tomorrow when I have the time.
I also find chapter 2 fairly important where it talks about the duality of the Great Mother archetype. http://pastebin.com/raw/zEG4C2nX
That's my favorite song.
Reversal is a good way to put it.
It's what played anytime the plot was about to defeat them but they yuri'd up and said fuck the plot and just pulled some shit off to win anyway.
They possess and sweetness and almost... magical vitality... beyond anything available to a 3D, straight, or male being. Your only hope of ever experiencing such a heavenly substance is to be reincarnated as a yuri shoujo yourself. As anime is such a small universe and yuri shoujos only make up about 1% of the anime population, the chances of that are slim.
Name the best song
This is so cute.
I like to think Yayaka gets to hang out with them as a friend and remains close to Cocona even though she obviously ended with Papika.
There's no reason they can't all be friends after the happy ending.
Actual interviews with Oshiyama have him talking about Mimi and how she was not really meant as a true antagonist.
I can't remember where but they were posted in the threads once.
I just listened to the soundtrack to this movie... Seems weirdly similar, like the composers had an idea of what they wanted, but it was too banal, so they picked a song at random and synthesized it with some song for some long forgotten gaijin movie to make it into a really kickass theme.
I wish I had composing talent.
Reception to her characterization has improved over time among those who did rewatch those parts of the show.
It's not suddenly super positive but it's much better with more understanding of her and appreciation at least.
Yeah there are definitely ways to interpret it in positive light but as an introductory piece the defense of her characterization has to be overwhelmingly convincing to cancel out the existing negative impression.
My gripe with Mimi's characterization is that I really dig the whole idea for it. I just think the execution fell flat. I believe having two Mimis would have been fine if they made it more apparent it was supposed to represent an internal conflict between both sides of Mimi, but the way she was handled was pretty much like two completely different characters. Had evil!Mimi's characterization been less exaggerated, scenes like the getting up on the pond would have been so much better.
I still like a lot of what it did with her, but the fact so much of it simply didn't work is my main issue with the show.
1# 02. フリップフラッパーズ ～FLIP FLAPPERS～
2# 27. 圧倒的な力 ～uberwaltigende macht～
3# 29. 暴走 ～Perdo de kontrolo～
Well of course. She was never really evil, or even necessarily wrong. She was defeated by deciding to give up because her daughter wanted to be in lesbians with her friend really really bad and maybe that's okay, I guess.
That's what makes her role as antagonist so interesting. Papika and Yayaka fought so desperately and so hard not because Mimi was a threat, but because they wanted to apologize properly to Cocona. Cocona confronted Mimi because she'd finally found a choice that she wanted to make for herself. Mimi threw a bit of a tantrum because she's a maladjusted brat and then eventually calmed down and accepted it.
The fact that Mimi's a maladjusted brat, and the fact that the defining conflict's in the story's final act are based jointly on the long and drawn out Jungian construction of Cocona's character, and the short, compact summary of Mimi's psychological background, are part of what makes it so atypical and so fascinating. The story perhaps doesn't focus on it enough, but Mimi is an orphan science experiment who spent her formative years in a white box and learns that there is such a thing as "lake" when she's like 14. She knows two human beings her entire life, both of whom she meets as a teenager. One of them puts his penis inside her and then flakes when she becomes a teenage mom. At her lowest moment, she discovers that she has the strength within to hurt all the people responsible for her life being what it is. She does two things with this power: rescue her baby and kill herself.
That's interesting stuff. That's by far the thickest and meatiest Jungian fiber in the show as a whole. The question of how her life lead to the unique formation of her shadow, and how the release of that shadow placed self-destruction above revenge and above even motherhood, are probably things you could find described word-for-word in the right text.
I would have liked to see more signs that they really were the same person, and not separate consciousnesses at all, like Mimi could be having a nice conversation, suddenly say something just slightly mean spirited, apologizing and then recanting the apology. Like she knew full well she didn't want to be who she was being, but her negative emotions were so strong.
The tightness of the show's presentation came undone a little bit at the end, so it;s not surprising to me that some of the more pivotal elements of visual storytelling didn't quite get their meaning across adequately.
I went back and made a comparison between the first 3 and last 3 episodes the other day. The things that stuck out most of all is the lack of distinct detail to the characters in the last 3. They very rarely had their eyes shaded, even it closeups. It was mostly limited to certain specific scenes. The subtle body language that had been present in the earlier episodes were gone too. I don't think these are damning details, but I just want to point them out as evidence of ways in which character expression suffered from the schedule crunch and it probably had a more far-reaching impact on the way important visuals were intended to appear vs. how they actually appeared.