Post films or series that people pretend to like. I'll start

Utena

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>>152344919

>>152344919
So much this.

When I asked a retard "what did he like about it?", his response was something like
>I don't know, but it felt mature

/a/ is full of MALtards anyway who pretend they like shits like this.

>>152345165
Sounds like you only talk to retards, which says more about you really.

>>152345165
>>I don't know, but it felt mature
This is actually the truth behind the opinion of most people who praise Oshii films.

EVA, it isn't acutally good, and i don't get why it's so hyped. IT doesn't have meaning it just has symbols thrown in, and not actually used properly. Tinfoil hat motherfuckers put together some rickety ass meaning from it that I'm sure the creators had no intention of communicating

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>all those people who will start with S3

>>152345219
Oshii films in general are good though, but not that piece of shit Angel's Egg.

>>152345165

People were taking like that long before /a/ existed. Before then, we called then Toonami idiots. And before Toonami they were 'I only watch shows like Eva' idiots.

>>152345232
The religious imagery and references are there just to look cool, but most things in the anime does have meaning and depth. NGE may be a bit overrated, but it's legitimately a very good and essential anime regardless. It excels almost all areas

>>152345219

Urusei Yatsura is tied for my favorite anime movie and there's nothing mature about it. The truth is that most people only know Oshii for his movies 'like Ghost in the Shell' and ignore that he did a lot of comedy and parody.

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Hyouka

>>152345232
Why should a creator be the sole arbiter of meaning in a work? Who says he has the final say in what a work "means"? I know youre baiting but I was thinking of this quesiton anyway.

>>152345326
>It excels almost all areas
and the ending is not one of those areas

>>152345326
>but most things in the anime does have meaning and depth
Not him, but kek'd hard.

>>152345289
I liked every episode Anno directed, the others were a slog.

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Rakugo
Tatami Galaxy
Hyouka
Natsume Yuujinchou
.hack//SIGN
Panty & Stocking
Shinsekai Yori
Mobile Suit Gundam
Kara no Kyoukai
Kill la Kill
Space Dandy
Fune wo Amu
Shinkai movies

>>152344919
Oshii films have amazing cinematography and atmosphere but fucking hell they're hard to sit through.

>>152345303
Ghost in the Shell was a garbage adaptation.

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>>152345434

>>152345434
>Shinkai movies

Top sizzle. Unfortunately, /a/ really does have taste shit enough to enjoy Shinkai

>>152345232
>>152345326
In interviews and stuff Anno intentionally downplays all this. The religious stuff makes a lot of sense in the context of the show, which is about the apocalypse and prophecies. Even the name "Neon Genesis Evangelion" means something like gospel of the new century, which fits with the ideas of rebirth from the both the start and end of the show.
>>152345367
Both endings are a really good conclusion for the feeling of the show and the themes.

>>152345232

Eva is good because of its direction, not so much its content. The story content and characters fall apart by the end and the mecha/religious symbolism is so superfluous even Anno himself admits it. But its kind of like The West Wing. The way character dialogue and scenes were directed, it was a one of a kind thing. And got people to watch even when they didn't like the subject material.

Now of course the Eva fanbase has turned it into 'the citizen kane of anime'. Which makes it fucking annoying.

everything from "/a/ recommendation lists".

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>>152344919
>>152344919
I really do enjoy Angel's Egg. It's GItS that I hate.

The film is confusing but it's such a cozy watch with some amazing art.
>>152345434
Space Dandy has some great episodes, but the rest of those shows are shit.


Also. evangelion is fucking boring.

>>152345356
>make up random fanfiction
>this work is amazing, you guise!
Death of the Author is retarded bullshit invented by post-modernists that the SJWs and other denialists latched onto because it allows them to ignore facts and reality.

>>152345531
the series was fun as hell. the movie was mediocre though/

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>>152345527
>>152345601
>post-modern boogieman

>>152345561
>Now of course the Eva fanbase has turned it into 'the citizen kane of anime'.
Ugh, agreed, I hate this. Evangelion is a much higher work of art than Citizen Kane.

>>152345586
Name your top 5 favorite anime in order.

>>152345165
>I don't know, but it felt mature
My fucking sides.

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>millennial
>likes ghibli stuff
Not even once. Maybe if you were trying to fit in some circlejerk.

>>152345165
>>152345307
I like it because it manages to tell something akin to a story primarily with very pretty visuals and symbolism

Akin to 2001: ASO in that way. Like a moving painting.

Whether there's anything inherently "deep" about the narrative is completely subjective and a question for blowhards.

>>152345666
I've only watched a couple but Spirited Away was genuinely good albeit overrated.

I love layers of pretension in the morning.
>These Oshii movies are pretentious drivel people pretend to like
>Actually my favorite work from him is his work in Urusei Yatsura (1981)
Same as "LOGH is mature" vs. "I'm too mature to like what these people consider mature."

>>152344919
>pretend to like
No one does that.

>>152345666
Kiki, Kaguya and Whisper of the Heart are the only acceptable Ghibli movies.

>>152345676
You watch 2001:ASO for the visuals and read the book for everything else. Angel's Egg doesn't have that.

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>>152345717
>You watch 2001:ASO for the visuals and read the book for everything else
Maybe if you're an idiot. 2001 has a very simple story and it's portrayed well primarily through visuals rather than dialogue.

>>152345652

1. Lupin III
2. Trigun
3. NHK
4. Cyborg 009 (2002)
5. Chobits (was my 1st romance anime so it stuck with me)

I think this list might be changed because i've seen so much anime, but these are the 1st that really come to mind.

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>>152345666
>>152345702
Trying way too hard.
>>152345717
Stick to the moeblobs and science fiction "literature" kiddo, cinema isn't for you

Although Angel's Egg is boring, I have to give praise to its visual aspects, the movie is beautiful .

>>152345717
I disagree. Visual symbols are more powerful in visual media than a bunch of exposition.

Kubrick and Clarke's interpretations are very different and should be judged separately.

>>152345705
Suck a chode.
Konosuba is legit.

Idol shows

Go ahead, ask a fan about specific episodes, in person so they can't use google. Nobody actually watches idol shows.

>>152345687
>>152345702
I did watch some ghibli stuff when I was a kid, they didn't leave any impact for me though. I didn't dislike them but didn't love them either, the retro-like artstyle especially I just can't stand it.

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>>152345717
The shit I read on this board

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>>152345702
>I've never seen Cagliostro

it's the best film.

>>152345601
Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself

>>152345676

A movie has to be more than a painting however. A lot of people don't like 2001 because it is a huge art piece. And a very well crafted one. But it being a movie, it still needs characters and plot. And even a die hard fan of 2001 who understands the plot will admit that the plot is lacking.

In the same way, Angel's Egg feels like an art piece. As long as you admit that it is just a giant art piece, like say the AniMatrix, then I'll agree with you. But as a 'movie', it was lackluster.

This is also why the anime version of Metropolis is total shit. 2 hours of super expensive rotoscoping and CGI for what is basically a 5 minute 'I'll kill all the androids out of jealousy!' story. While the original Fritz Lang Metropolis had a story worth telling over 2 hours.

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>>152345758

Rewatched this just last week. And it feel apart exactly where I remembered. It is just sad how a show with such a high budget and starting potential was killed. But I guess this is the Sunrise mecha team after all.

>>152345778
S1 was amusing to say the least. But reflecting back on it now that S2 is airing it really was a pile of shit.

>>152345829
Naruto sometimes has decent art, but the writing is what ruins it. Also Naruto as a character is obnoxious as shit.

>>152345829
To avoid interaction with naruto fans

>>152345798
Not Ghibli

>>152345748
Bowman's trippy journey in the book is much more interesting than several minutes of flashing lights in the film. They're complementary works, but 2001 the film, although wonderfully directed, is pretty barebones without the book.

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>>152345861
>Naruto sometimes has decent art, but the writing is what ruins it.
how is angel's egg any different

>>152345531
Is there a single living soul in this galaxy who liked this garbage? Don't think so.

>>152345793
You should try watching some Ghibli films now as an adult. I didn't thought much of them as a kid either, but changed my mind many years later when I tried to rewatch some of them.

>>152345828
You are a fucking retard

>>152345863
>done by Miyazaki
>made by people who worked on Ghibli.
you might as well say the same about the other non Ghibli films posted in
>>152345666
if you want to get technical.

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>>152345862
we narutofriends keep to ourselves

>>152345702

Porco Rosso and Whisper of the Heart are the best tied. The fact that you didn't mention Porco Rosso makes you look stupid. Not to mention how all the Ghibli films are worth watching except Earthsea.

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tfw naruto has better art than pretentious shit like angel's egg

>>152345869
because Angels egg is 50 minutes long. Naruto is hundreds of episodes.

>>152345434
>.hack//SIGN
>Mobile Suit Gundam
What?

>>152345883

Cool counter point dude.

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>>152345922
why not just watch one or two arcs then, you'd still be able to appreciate naruto's brilliance

>>152345765
Your point? Shinkai movies are also beautiful, despite everything else is garbage.

Angel's Egg is the same.

>>152345921
chill the fuck out. dont ruin the thread with all that naruto garbage again. Go make a thread for it if you want to post it so bad.

>>152345756
Huh, I cant really place your taste at all. Since you actually posted a list I wont shit on the picks, never seen Cyborg 009 anyway so cant really say. Just surprised those were your picks despite disliking GiTS and EVA. I thought you'd have super high standards or something but maybe EVA really just is boring tripe to some people.

>>152345930
This isn't a debate class. Arguing with retards is a waste of time. But let it be known: you are a retard.

>>152345020
I don't know much about that series, but when I was a small child I appreciated the vidya.

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>>152345957
>again
i've never ruined a thread over anything

>>152345937
>>152345921
>>152345896

The only episode of Naruto I could really say is good is the Shikimaru flashback episode. Which was practically animated by one guy. And its surrounded by so much filler that no one even remembers it.

>>152345937
>brilliance
ive seen 47 episodes. It's not a good show, anon.

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>>152345896
Lol no you don't. You guys are weird.

>>152345958
I have good taste anon.

>>152345970

>This isn't a debate class.
That's right. Because if it was, you'd be judged as the loser for not providing a counter point.

>Arguing with retards is a waste of time.
Yet you keep responding. So maybe you're the retard.

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>>152345984
shikimaru episodes are always 10/10

>>152345984
FACT: naruto haters will never have as much fun as those three

>>152345821
>muh precious headcanon

>>152345876
Afro samurai is just the definition of mindless entertainment that you turn your brain off watching. It's okay to pass time, but don't expect anything more than that.

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>>152345828
>A movie has to be more than a painting however.
I was going to just reply with this pic and leave it at that but I'll bite.

Not really. A movie can be anything. You're stuck in stage-mode of film appreciation if you think movies are only as good as their parts that mimic theater (granted, so are the Academy Awards).

I mean these may be things (you) personally look for in a movie but that's totally subjective.

I'll agree Lang's Metropolis was superior but the ending was totally didactic and ham-fisted. That said they're completely different stories Tezuka hadn't even seen the German version.

>>152346011
can you post some that is not Naruto?

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>>152345983
>It's not a good show
it is but you have to watch it all in order to fully appreciate it

it has the greatest message about peace in anime history

>>152345756
Awful taste. But at least I have to commend you for not being a try hard with your picks

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>>152346034
>can you post some that is not Naruto?
no, i do not have any that aren't naruto

>>152345984
The socially acceptable ones keep to themselves.

>>152346020
This may surprise you, but nobody actually cares what you think.

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>>152345441
Angel's Egg is unique. That is one qualifier that can be attached to it with enough sufficient basis. I don't understand why people call it mature, here or elsewhere.

>>152345165
A quick look at its MAL page will tell you that it is rated 7.6 which is not that much for something that is supposedly "liked" by communities like MAL, a community that like to rate anime in a ten scale. The anime is ranked at # 1415; its popularity at #1478; it has 36,680 members, almost half of them are within the "plan to watch" group. It hardly indicates that MAL likes Angel's Egg or something along the line.

>>152345828
Which one is lackluster in Angel's Egg? The plot or the characters? Or both? Can you explain why?

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>>152346065
>Awful taste.
anon, please. You're the 1st person to hate on actual good shows. Who the fuck doesn't like Lupin or Trigun?

Makes me wonder what you like.

>>152346111
>Trigun
anyone with taste recognizes trigun for the mediocre shit that it is

people only praise it because of nostalgia

same reason people pretend to like cowboy bebop

>>152346128
>same reason people pretend to like cowboy bebop
Oh. At least I know you're kidding now. I was genuinely concerned for a second.

>>152346111
I see people shit on Trigun all the time, what are you on about?

>>152345165
>When I asked a retard "what did he like about it?", his response was something like
>I don't know, but it felt mature
They simply aren't equipped to recognize, let alone discuss, Christian existentialism.

Which is not surprising given that nobody reads the Bible anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfjuk2fHJo

>Attack of the Nuruturds
Reddit misses you back, shitters.

>>152346029

>You're stuck in stage-mode of film appreciation if you think movies are only as good as their parts that mimic theater
But I never even hinted at this. I was just pointing out that a movie still has to tell a story. I never said it had to be the same dramatic stock formula Hollywood worships. I also pointed out above that Urusei Yatsura movie 2 is one of my favorite films, and it went completely away from taking itself seriously. Basically becoming a parody of surreal movies.

>I'll agree Lang's Metropolis was superior but the ending was totally didactic and ham-fisted.
I will agree the ending message was the weak point of the movie. But it suffered mostly because there was multiple different stories all converging at the end and they had to tack on some kind of connection. The movie would have been better served just having each story conclude separately (as all of them basically did except the story for the father).

>That said they're completely different stories Tezuka hadn't even seen the German version.
He had seen a chopped up version of the film. Which basically everyone has. We still don't have the complete film to this day.

But I'm also going to point out that the movie version of Metropolis we got is nothing like Tekuza's original manga. Its a weak adaptation of an adaptation.

>>152346128
Post your top 5 I bet K-On! Is in it.

>>152346162
I mean't when they aren't shitposting and have logical reasons.

>>152345717
you're the type of person who thinks AKIRA is unwatchable without the manga right?

>>152346111

>Who the fuck doesn't like Lupin or Trigun?
A lot of people? For me personally, I like both of them. But I don't worship them like Adult Swim fags do.

>>152346184
K-On is bad but it's better than Trigun

>>152346111
>You're the 1st person to hate on actual good shows. Who the fuck doesn't like Lupin or Trigun?
> have logical reasons.
Anon, you just dismissed Gundam, Natsume, Hyouka, Tatami, Rakugo, Space Dandy, Evangelion, and GitS with "I hate them," "they're shit," and "it's fucking boring." Those who live in glass houses, etc.

>>152346153
>no argument
Predictable

>>152346208
well hyouka is bad

>>152346195
>GitS
>Akira
>Naruto

I can see you don't like shows with good writing and storytelling..

>>152346195
>Greatest artistic achievements

Seven years to make.

>>152346208
Even I cannot defend Hyouka. It truly is terrible

>>152346208
Most of those are bad though. I mean come on, Gundam. Really?

>K-On is bad but it's better than Trigun
This is a sentence I'd never thought I'd read.

>>152346233
>>152346266
>>152346270
I'm calling him out for hypocrisy, you niggers. I don't give a shit if you random people who weren't throwing stones happen to live in glass houses.

>>152344919
I like what it stands for but i would pretend to don't like it as well

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>>152344919
But Angel's Egg is objectively beautiful.

>>152346305
You failed, my friend.

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>>152346248
>>152346305
he's not the narutofag though, i am

i like all the shows he listed though except for hyouka

>>152346341
How? If he's going to suggest that anyone bashing widely-beloved shows without giving a rationale is a shitposter, then he shouldn't be doing the same himself.

>>152346343
no more narutoshit please. How do you ONLY have Naruto images. Who does that.

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>>152346195
This shit put my kek-sensors to top.

>>152346171
>But I never even hinted at this.
Yes, you did:
>But it being a movie, it still needs characters and plot.
Angel's Egg does have characters and a story they're just not the primary focus of the work, which I'd argue is atmosphere and visuals, relying mainly on those to get it's message across. It's a movie for the viscera not the prefrontal cortex.

>I will agree the ending message was the weak point of the movie. But it suffered mostly because there was multiple different stories all converging at the end and they had to tack on some kind of connection.
Yeah just like Intolerance but not quite as bad.

>He had seen a chopped up version of the film.
Oh yeah you're right. I thought I read somewhere he'd only seen the poster.

Agree with you about Beautiful Dreamer though that movie's great. All the better if Takahashi hated it.

You should answer this guy's question:
>>152346110

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>>152346370
> How do you ONLY have Naruto images.
why would i have anything else?

>>152346369
Anon. Just give up. I'm literally starting to cringe.

>>152346393
I appreciate the effort you took in setting this shitposting up.

>>152346393
I don't know. Maybe because there are better things out there.

Make your own thread if you wish to post.

>>152346370
He has many. He need to post his cancer everyday via "how much value do you put into random screenshot-- I mean VISUAL DIRECTION" threads.

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>>152346421
>Maybe because there are better things out there.
false

there is no scene in anime on par with the depth of this shot

it is far and above the best scene in anime history

>>152346321
how come whenever someone makes one of these, they never have at least one image of the fountain? That shit is gorgeous.

>>152346446
>I only watched Nurutzu
I see now.

>>152346462
don't respond. Just report and hide.

>>152346195
>Tree of Life

Now THAT was a shit movie. All the criticisms levied at Angel's Egg are duly true for that piece of shit.
The other four are definitely overrated but I get it's a troll pic.

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>>152346430
>cancer
it's not cancer, it's showing off good cinematography

>>152345249
Specifically part 3? Yes, absolutely. Worst part by miles.

>>152346513
It's shitposting.

>>152346488
You have a point.

>>152346446

That's the fucking episode I was talking about earlier. What episode is that? It really is the only episode of Naruto worth rewatching.

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>>152346576
shippuden 82

>>152346576
you really aren't helping.

>>152346029
The problem with the Metropolis anime isn't really Tezuka, it's Rintarou.

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>>152345434
>Natsume Yuujinchou
But it's not true.
Natsume is cute and his stories are heart warming.
I'm fujo though so maybe males are indeed pretending

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>>152346453
I'm not sure the fountain shot is all you remember it to be. It's very dark and doesn't stand out much against the background.

>>152346600

Thanks. And fuck everyone who is going to bitch after this post. I also don't like Naruto. But this one episode was good.

>>152345187
Kek

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>>152346662
>so maybe males are indeed pretending
no fuck you i love natsume

>>152345434

To be fair, .hack//SIGN is kinda neat if you are already into the franchise. It can still be quite boring though. And if you aren't into the lore, then it can be massively boring and obtuse.

>>152345666

I pity a person who cannot find joy in Ghibli's films.

>>152344919
>Post films or series that people pretend to like.
Naruto, apparently.

>>152345434
Fuck you Rakugo is great

>>152344919
I enjoy Angel's Egg, but I fully recognize the reasons I have for enjoying it are bad reasons. They're similar reasons for my liking Primer

>>152346757
it's nostalgia. although I dont know how you can be nostalgic for naruto unless you are underage.

It;s easily in the top 5 worst shounens i've ever seen.

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>>152346793
>It;s easily in the top 5 worst shounens i've ever seen.
watch more anime

seriously

>>152346822
it's hard when a lot of shounens are too fucking long. It is pretty shit though.

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>>152346840
it isn't shit you've just been brainwashed by /a/'s contrarianism

>>152346857
I've known how bad Naruto was long before I ever visited the site. Also how are you not banned yet from all the naruto shitposting?

Eva

>>152346029
>mimicing theatre

Angels egg could very well be a very expensive silent play. Those are something that exist, FYI.

>an anime without talking, how revolutionary

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>>152346888
why would i be banned for discussing anime

>tfw your favorite anime doesn't have a monologue as deep and meaningful as jiraiya's death monologue

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>>152344993
I grew to like Utena and its characters by the end of the second arc. I wasn't used to Ikuhara's style and repleteness at first. But I've never seen anyone to like Utena from the start.

>>152346793
>I dont know how you can be nostalgic for naruto unless you are underage
Anon, your sense of time is fucked. Someone who watched the beginning of the American dub at age 6 would be 18 right now. Hell, there are probably plenty of people in their late-20s who are nostalgic for when they were middle-school weebs watching Naruto with ANBU subs before it cam to the US.

>>152346857
It wasn't shit at first but it eventually became a horrible pile of shit.

If we go by percentages I'd say it's 5% good, 5% awesome, 20% average, 20% bad and 50% garbage.

>>152346857
Fuck off narutard

>>152347055
>6 would be 18 right now.
how does that make someone's sense of time fucked up when that is just barely legal.

>>152347063
report and hide. It's not complicated.

>>152347087
Because six is way younger than the threshold for childhood nostalgia? That was just the low bar, nigger, do the basic extrapolation. If you watched it at 13, you'd be 25 now.

>>152346195
What's the film between Godfather and Boyhood? I can't remember for the life of me.

>>152347124
13 is the age where you start to realize what's shit and what isn't shit, so who the fuck would start watching Naruto at that age? I'm speaking for myself mostly because even I knew what was trash at 13.

>>152347157
There Will Be Blood

>>152347055

Naruto started when I was in high school and I'm 32 now. Its been going on that fucking long.

>>152347182
> 13 is the age where you start to realize what's shit and what isn't shit
That's a pretty arbitrary borderline.

> who the fuck would start watching Naruto at that age
A whole lot of people. You could have gone into any seventh-grade classroom in 2006 or so and looked for the kid running with their arms back. The early part of Naruto was the least shitty, anyway.

>>152347222
>2006
I would of been 12. I strictly remember everyone still talking about how awesome DBZ was. Never once did I ever hear anyone talk about Naruto until I was in high school

>>152346639
I'd buy that. Have yet to read the manga because I'm a pleb.

>>152346770
Primer is completely different from Angel's Egg they're hardly comparable.

>>152346901
>Angels egg could very well be a very expensive silent play.
Yes its NARRATIVE CONTENT could be adapted into one but that's not the main reason people like Angel's Egg. I know silent plays exist but they still value, get this: characters and story over TWO DIMENSIONAL VISUALS which can only be represented in a STATIC ARTFORM like film, photography or painting.

Unless you're implying things like mise en scene and montage are replicated in theater, in which case you might have an interesting argument (albeit a stupid one).

>>152347286
I meant 2D mise en scene. Forgot it was a theatrical term too but I don't really into theater.

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>>152347182

>13 is the age where you start to realize what's shit and what isn't shit
The vast majority of people don't understand good media even well into adulthood. If they did, then shit like Michael Bay films wouldn't have gotten popular in the first place. Let alone spawned dozens of sequels. The majority of people, young and old, just like the most hyped, most advertised thing.

Then there's the smaller minority of people who recognize the good from the bad. And an even smaller group within that group that care.

What you're actually pointing to is the 'nostalgia' factor. Which does usually factor in as a young kid/preteen. But is indescriminate of good or bad. Most adults look back fondly on a product of their childhood, even if they grow up to recognize it was bad. This is why someone can love a shitty movie in a shit franchise and hate a later sequel in the same exact franchise.

>>152344993
Unironically my favorite anime

>>152346546
Holy fuck, finally someone said it.

>>152344919
Doesn't the fact that people decide to bandwagon and "pretend to like" one show over any other random "deep" show they could have bandwagoned mean that their particular show is better than the other bandwagon contenders? Why would a bunch of people just randomly choose some really old show instead of a newer one if they were just liking it for the sake of acting cool on the internet? People don't remember 30 year old shows that were terrible.

>>152345876
its a lot better if you like kung fu films

It just doesn't have a strong thematic focus, and thus the film presents itself as intentionally vague as possible so that the audience wouldn't know the uninteresting ideas and story behind it, particularly if you compare it with, say, Bresson's works or something. This is because Oshii was too full of himself, and thinking that only "that particular" of his personal experience could amount to something remotely interesting to be the source of his artistic vision. Anyone with a working brain would understand a thing or two about the alienation, the loss of identity, the birth, etc., as far back as the girl's first scene and her forest scene, let alone when she meets the man. As far as religious allegory goes, it is Narnia tier.

Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu

>>152347182
I was 21 when I started watching Naruto (I'm 35 now) but I liked it for what it was instead of hating it for what it wasn't. I dropped out after the godawful Curry of Life episode though and I disregard all fillers in general.

>>152347063
Don't reply to that shit.

>>152347717
You're not wrong, but art isn't exclusively a conduit for le deep philosophical concept exploration.

Angel's Egg can be appreciated purely on a sensual and emotional level, which is where my own love for it lies.

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I didn't understand a lot of the Angel's Egg's plot and symbolism. So I couldn't really fully appreciate it. I kind of liked the atmosphere. It's been a while I watched it so I don't even exactly remember the parts I didn't understand or couldn't interpret.

Since I didn't undertand it I don't even know how I would rate it or whatever.

>>152347851
From a sensual level, the pacing gets dragged almost like every 5 minutes or something. Because of Oshii's crude handling of the tempo (like, underestimating camera panning, etc.), the tone and the atmosphere gets dragged down too. It is almost always a few frames or milliseconds too late to cut the scenes (I'm willing to bet if the film's tempo is visualized you'd see its crudeness clearly), so the 'feel' of some of its particular scene doesn't really manifest itself pretty well. This happens because Oshii doesn't/didn't have a good grasp of basic staging and acting. Something that even a junior stage director possesses in uni level theaters. It's alright to disregard method acting ala Stanislavski, or what have you, in favor of more modernist approach. But to do so would require a more committed experimental approach, not something that looks like a wavering stance between an all-out symbolic fables and conventional method (i.e. the infamous cry when her egg got broken), as it might indicate a lack of knowledge regarding the two approaches.

There's a reason why it failed anon, even in the eyes of critics. It's ironic that Tarkovsky who seemingly influenced him was the master of tempo. It's like he learned nothing from the master itself at the time.

>>152348368
Again great points but by sensual I mean like
>pretty art
>pretty music
and emotionally:
>waifish ingenue
>christ/antichrist figure (stranger danger)
>lonely atmosphere

All the weird, possibly shoddy editing just add to the surreal quality imo. It's more comparable to Eraserhead than anything I've seen by Tarkovsky (only four or so movies admittedly and none hit me quite as hard as AE).

Sure it's amateur but that only makes it more endearing to me. It's "cute" in a way very few religiously themed movies are.

And like it or not "cute" is important, esp. in anime.

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>>152345434

Watashit.

>>152347851
>>152348750
>Again great points
I just made up words on the spot, lel. I was parodying the above discussion and posts. Didn't know those were common criticisms of that anime.

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>>152346369
>>152346396
Fuck I hate this place. Anon provides an actual logical response calling out someone's hypocrisy and instead of a dicussion, some 14 year old just says "cringe".

And now instead of finding out why the other anon shits on classic series while getting butthurt if someone points out trigun is shounen trash, we just have shitposting. Never change.