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Is he a hero or a villain?

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Is he a hero or a villain?
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>>152336500
Depends on the day of the week.
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>>152336500
>Chaotic Good

Yeah my ass.
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>>152336500
I don't know, but he's shipping on the 25th of January.
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>>152336737
>Elise this month
>Found out King of HEROES is coming out the 25th after the delay
I am excited
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>>152336500
>>152336661
He was a hero until he got dipped in the root of all evil
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>>152336737
talking about Grand Order?

Fate Exetlla coming out tomorrow for NA
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>introduced as a villain
>dude he's popular quick white wash him in his next appearances

how to sell your series to kids 101
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>>152336852
>Elise
It took me a moment, but then I understood. Happy days all around.

>>152336904
Oh, is it? I hadn't know but I'll be on the lookout now. I'm referring to Max Factory's Gilgamesh though.
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When covered in grail mud yes he's definitely a villain but base 4th war Gil is just arrogant and with good fucking reason.

Anyone who disagrees is a mongrel and a faker
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>>152336879
Which admittedly didn't contaminate him because of his already inflated ego.
He's just a dick.
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>Get raped by Shirou
Can't be a hero if you get killed by a highschool redhead.
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He's not a good guy.
He's not a bad guy.
He's THE guy.
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>>152337232
And he's definitely not Ugly.
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>>152337232
I understood that reference.
Well said, Juni.
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4th Grail War - Wanted the Grail for himself because he's the king.
Corrupted by the Mud - He wanted to see the world burn itself to the ground.
CCC - A fucking total bro to FeMC after BB went to far and sealed them, and he was willing to cooperate to her, and they were became equals at the end.
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>>152336500
Neither. He's a jobber.
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>>152337462
>Corrupted by the Mud
The mud didnt fuck with him, he just realized what the grail really is and decided to use it as a tool
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>>152336500
He's neither
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>Lancer shows up
>Lancer(caster)
>mfw
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>>152336500
He is a man who loves his Husbando (genderless)
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Quick question about him

The original epic of Gilgamesh iirc he failed twice at gaining immortality, first was with the old man second was with the snake

That still the case for the fate version or is it a bit different
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>>152337034
"6 billion curses? Bring thrice as much if you wish to stain me!"

Grail mud didn't do shit to him. His character is pretty consistent throughout Fate, Zero, HF, and HA. UBW is where he's OoC cause they had to squeeze him as the final boss.
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I just want to know why he can be summoned as Archer. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of different myths and legends, so I'm probably missing details, but did he ever use a ranged weapon?
Rider makes sense, he had sex for almost a week straight.
Berserker makes sense, he fought a bull with some assistance which was probably pretty wild.
Archer? I'm fucking lost.
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>>152336500
You can be a hero for one side but a villain for the other.
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>>152342000
He can be summoned as supposedly any class, but arhcer is the most fitting towards him as it is the only class with independent action and even with a single command seal he is hard to control.
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>>152342182
>the most fitting towards him as it is the only class with independent action
>he is hard to control.
Ok. Thank you for telling me. But doesn't that seem like traits for a Berserker? A word that is synonymous with being hard to control?
It's probably something from the game, so I'll stop complaining, but it still bothers me.
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Gilgamesh is Japanese Dr Doom.

Kingly villain who wants to fuck the blond, everyone turned out to like them, and thus had to be rewritten and retconned to being actually decent.
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>>152342000
I had always considered it to be primarily centered around the functionality of GoB. Since he can fire weapons out of the portals he summons, his attacks effectively operate as if they had been sent from a bow or gun, or anything that is designed to launch something. If you look at some of the other servant that qualify for the Archer class, you'll find that some use things other than a bow, like Billy the Kid, or Nobunaga, who both utilize guns. Or Tesla, who uses one of his coils to shoot lightning.
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>>152342415
Berserker is a huge mana/prana drainer and is hard to control because of madness.
The independent action and command seal thing is more an ego and character thing in the regard that you cannot make him submit. The other drains mana like a fuck ton and kills nearly most mages in a short time if they do not have some kinda plan for it, also you cannot reason with madness (even a strong ego like Heracles has a hard time shinning through the madness).
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>>152336500
>any babylonian/persian scum
>good
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He's a neutral figure in the grand scheme of things. He refused eternal life, so he refused the ability to keep his perfect kingdom forever, yet remains extremely bitter at the world for changing while he was dead.

Gil does not care about the overall well-being/survival of humans; he cares only about that of those of his kingdom. If his kingdom were to extend to all humans, he would care about the survival of all humans, but only as long as they were defined as his subjects. If his kingdom were to extend to five individuals, he'd be willing to wipe out the rest of existence if it was needed to protect his kingdom. If he had no kingdom, he would seek to create one. Neutral.
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>>152341514
The Utnapishtim part he rejected the immortality it would grant him because he would lose his human desires. The snake didn't steal a herb of immortality but of rejuvenation. He still went back to get more of the herb afterwards though and stored it in his treasury.
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>>152337232
He's not the guy. He is incapable of being the guy. I had a guy, but now I don't. He. Is not. The guy.
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>>152336964
HOO BOY am I excited to shell out for something expensive

Hopefully I don't get jewed by scalpers
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>>152342589
But who is his RICHAARDS ?
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>>152342000
His mentality regarding weapons is the same as archers (disposable projectiles) even if he doesn't use bow and arrow. GoB is the bow, shitty 3rd ranked NP are his arrow.
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>>152345915
He is actually pretty angry if someone degrades his treasures or is not worthy of someone touching them.
If they were disposable he would not have them return.
Also unlike common believe he can use the active abilities of everything he got in stock.
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>>152343770
Check his MFC page. I remember one person mentioning that they'd bought two by accident and while I highlighted the benefits of that, I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling it. Might be a safer place to start than ebay, mandarake or yahoo.
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>>152345915
That's just him fucking around, if he gets a bit serious he will select NP to get special advantage against the hero he is facing, and if gets even more serious, then you will have to deal with thousands of NP rainning from above an EA spam + Enkidu.
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>>152343825
Mud
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>>152337473
>Jobber
>BTFOs Tiamat and kicks the shid out of Saber in the first grail war they were in
>one of the most powerful servants
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>>152336500
I am totally gay for him, no homo. I mean, look at his body
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>>152342834
And you proven that you know jack shit about Gilgamesh motivations. He is exactly opposite of everything you said.
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>>152347242
>gets eaten in HF
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Ko Gil: the good boy before he becomes a dick as an adult.
Archer Gil: The heartless cruel tyrant before his journey who destroys his kingdom.
Caster Gil: Sage King from the end of the epic who builds the walls and works hard to make up for his fuck ups.

He's still arrogant as fuck.
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>>152339997
>forgetting his waifu (secretary)
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>>152346784
>That's just him fucking around, if he gets a bit serious
So what's this I'm hearing about "Caster Gilgamesh" in GO being the apparently never-seen "serious Gilgamesh"?
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>>152336929
>>152337034
>>152342589

He wasn't really retconned as good. Nasu basically managed to explain the difference by playing the card Servants manifesting on a certain stage/age will act on that current personality. Basically, this >>152348479 Why Ko Gil is a nice boy despite growing up an asshole and having those memories. CCC Gilgamesh is simply like Caster Gil, the Gilgamesh after the journey. The same applies to all Servants.

Archer Gilgamesh is definitely an asshole who destroyed his kingdom out of his selfish bullshit and he's referred as one. Unless Enkidu is around to tame him, you're fucked.
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>>152348525
Every Gil is from a different part of the Epic. Caster Gil is post-Epic. The true king, the one righteous sage, etc. etc.
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>>152348525
Caster Gilgamesh is Gilgamesh at the end of the epic. He's alive but he's weaker because it's his twilight years (despite looking young), after he dies, he makes you summon him as Archer to go against Tiamat.

Gilgamesh WAS serious against Enkidu, in CCC, and other places. So that "never seen serious Gilgamesh" is kind of a fallacy.
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>>152336500
He's a hero. He's actually very correct in his statement that humans are worth less than in his time because it is actually very true.
The weight of every human becomes less and less the more there are, the more there are the less magical they become, the more genetic diversity the less likely it is possible to reach the Root (as stated by Touko Aozaki).

Him attempting to wipe out the worst of humanity and rule over the survivors isn't actually the wrong way to look at it.
For him personally and how he rules, we've seen how good a king he would be to his subjects.
Freely giving out the weapons of the Gate of Babylon to each and every citizen regardless of status, doing his utmost to save the citizens of Uruk and protect that which he considers his domain.

He is a great king and if he could return the world back to the state is was before the modern era then he would be an amazing and wise leader.

In saying all that however, he is an edgelord in his methodology and does nothing to reconcile his outdated opinions with the current world in an attempt to be a fair ruler over all of the current humanity showing that his is not worthy of being in the position of King that he claims to be since he is unable to rule over the current masses as is.
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>>152348768
>thinking Archer Gil's opinion is worth a dime
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how far caster gil's magnanimity?
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>>152348768
Gilgamesh (Archer) isn't a king, he's a tyrant. A selfish prick who is cruel and heartless and will destroy over what he claims to rule. He has a destructive nature.
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>>152348822
I'm taking both characterizations into account. It's just that we see fuck all of Caster Gil within the series so we have to take that Archer Gil, the one we usually see running around calling people "Mongrels" and "This is a war of women and children" is the one we run with.
Every non-Caster Gil we've seen has been a variation on the FSN Archer Gil who is still distinctly pretty edgy with his motivations even if he becomes softer and softer with each passing game, IE CCC has him be fairly amicable or Strange/Fake has him being reasonable to Tine.
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>>152348875
He does indeed have a destructive nature but we know from his development after Enkidu's death and his quest for immortality that there is a decent person in there even if it's covered in a harsh exterior.

His selfishness and cruelty are all things he generally grows out of over his story so to deny his future development when considering his entire character from start to end is disingenuous.
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>>152336500
He's just a tool.
>Powerful servant, immense treasury to summon at his whim, sword that can destroy reality
>Resists grail mud, hangs around for 10 years on earth downloading loli porn
>Finally a chance at another grail
>Gets killed by some random self-insert retarded ginger kid
>(or a worm slut)
Ohohoho.
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>>152348871
He's still arrogant, prideful and self-centered, sometimes prone to do stupid things but he listens occasionally to people, specially Siduri, his secretary. He has a different view of women as you can see because the only one who can tell him off and cool him down is her. He also is capable to eventually swallow his pride and ask for a plan). As how he rules, he's a bit more like Artoria, kind of a workaholic consumed by his obligations who insolates himself. He lost his kingdom once and all he returned to was an empty city in ruins. Everyone else was gone, except for Siduri. Little by little he rebuilt everything with her help.

He still has a sense of detachment to people because he's a Clairvoyant. All of them are a bit outside society and normal people. Merlin and Solomon are the other two we know so far. Gilgamesh can see the future, Solomon the past and the future, while Merlin the present.
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>>152348925
>>152348969

No, you can't because Archer Gil is explicitly called a selfish tyrant. That's like mixing him with Ko Gil.

He doesn't grow out from them as Archer Gil. Fuck, seeing people's suffering makes him hard for God's sake. It's his favorite shit.
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>>152348925
>Strange/Fake has him being reasonable to Tine.
That was only after he found out Enkidu was there. Siduri mentioned Gilgamesh became kinder when he was around Enkidu. In CCC, he's Classless and post Epic.

Archer Gil in FSN is not fucking right, he's the fucking villain.
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>>152349062
Then we're going to have a debate on whether or not OP was asking if Archer Gilgamesh or "Gilgamesh" in general was the Hero/Villain because I've been writing under the assumption that it was Gilgamesh in general.

If we only take into account Archer Gilgamesh without Ko-Gil or Caster Gil for characterization purposes then yeah, he's a fucking douchebag par excellence.
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>>152349087
>Archer Gil in FSN is not fucking right, he's the fucking villain.

Agreed if FSN is the only thing being taken into account.
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>>152336500
He's an asshole, no more, no less.
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>>152336500
He's the KING of heroes. Kneel before the king, faggot.
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>all these edgelords trying to justify mustache twirling genocidal rapist FSN Gilgamesh by mixing him with his characterization post epic or when Enkidu is around
Funny how they bring up Caster Gil forgetting the real hero of the story, Great King Solomon, wouldn't have agreed with FSN Gil's edgefest. Or FGO entire message about humanity advancement and progression.
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>>152349123
>>152349140
If you're bringing up h-he was right in FSN as here >>152348768 you're fucking missing the point of FGO message
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>>152349222
FGO is non-canon garbage.
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>>152349247
>bring up FGO stuff to justify shitty argument
>F-FGO isn't canon g-guys!
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>>152336500
>Is he a hero or a villain?

A hero by the ancient standards when the term was first used. A villain by modern standards.
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Gilgamesh: that harsh dad.
Solomon: the nurturing mom.
Merlin: that eccentric uncle nobody wants in their parties.
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>>152349293
Really makes you think.
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>>152349327
Gil: Otaku
Solomon: Moebuta
Merlin: KusoNEET
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>>152349222
My argument wasn't saying he was right by our standards but by his own personal standards.
His is correct in saying humans have less value and weight, in the Nasuverse that statement is fact and a plot point about how Magus in modern times are weaker than those from the Age of the Gods.

I then proceed to shit on his FSN opinion in my ending statement by pointing out how unfeasible it is and how he can't choose to be a good king and wipe out all of humanity.
I was pointing out in the previous tl:dr paragraph that for him personally, to be a good king, he would need to recreate the conditions for which he ruled originally which was "Quality over quantity"
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>>152349394
>His is correct in saying humans have less value and weight
But he's not correct. That was the whole fucking point of FGO.
> in the Nasuverse that statement is fact and a plot point about how Magus in modern times are weaker than those from the Age of the Gods.
Again see above. You missed the whole fucking point of FGO. Evolution and progress are a constant.

Archer Gilgamesh is supposed to be a fuck up. Not someone wise or right, but someone who fucked up his own kingdom out his selfishness and shortsight. He is still an immature manchild.
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>>152349378
I mean to humanity. Gilgamesh has a role of tester/judge. Solomon of a teacher/mentor. Merlin is Merlin.
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>>152349394
Gil's point was fucking stupid considering the main reason humanity was stronger in his time was due to the blessings of the gods, something which he thought was a crock of shit and tried to personally bring an end to.

Then, when the Age of Gods actually ends and humanity suffers a loss in mystery as a result he has the gall to say, "WOW, HUMANITY NOWADAYS IS SOOOOO WEAK?"

He got his shiny spaceship handed to him on a silver platter by the divines while simultaneously shittalking them yet we had to build our own shit and he thinks he's better because of it?
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>>152349547
This.

Also Solomon's point about how there was less individuality back then and how he enamored became with romanticism, that's why he named himself Romani of Romantic.
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>>152349477
Then we have a difference of opinion. I personally agree with Gilgamesh that humans had more value back in his time as we can physically observe that fact just with the amount of heroes that cannot be born from our era.

Progress and Evolution are all well and good and humanity is becoming pro-tier at recreating the mysteries from the Age of Gods which FGO heavily points out that humanity needs to shit on the gods and Beasts to advance into the stars and take their rightful place but you could still-

Actually no, you are correct. I am conflating my personal preference for humans having more weight and being bias towards that feeling.
Humanity evolving and becoming weaker as individuals but becoming stronger as a whole allows for humanity as a concept to be able to override the necessary steps we need to take as a group to achieve our full potential.

In hindsight Gilgamesh eventually grew into a decent person that as a Caster I would consider a hero but then he was only a decent king for the time period he was in.
You couldn't take a more modern king and place him in Gilgamesh's place to achieve a better result since Gilgamesh really was the first step of humans stepping out of the God's control but then in return he really wouldn't be a king able to fit in within the current form of humanity either.
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>>152349628
>In hindsight Gilgamesh eventually grew into a decent person that as a Caster I would consider a hero but then he was only a decent king for the time period he was in.
You couldn't take a more modern king and place him in Gilgamesh's place to achieve a better result since Gilgamesh really was the first step of humans stepping out of the God's control but then in return he really wouldn't be a king able to fit in within the current form of humanity either.
Now I'm imagining a Youjo Senki scenario where a modern fedora-tipping "rational" salaryman is reincarnated back in ancient Mesopotamia and tries to one up Gil.
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>>152349732
You just know they'd attempt to force modern values onto the society thinking they're doing the right thing not taking into account that Religion served a very important purpose back then and that their society ran upon certain things we might consider improper and that stopping those things would have a knock-on effect that would completely collapse the society.
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>>152349628
I'm not saying Caster Gilgamesh was wrong, but Archer Gil definitely was. And he's the guy who fucked up his own kingdom and is still has that kind of manchild and cruel mentality. His characterization is problematic because of what this guy says >>152349547 He was shitting on humans who were individuals and divorced from gods and wanted to impose his version of divine will and punishment on them. It made zero sense unless he was still drinking the cool aid of his purpose as a judge from gods.

Second point. Chaldea is a place which is indeed making a mix of magecraft, magic and science. So is the living proof humanity is progressing. Gilgamesh even admits that it has replicated something only gods could do.

The deal with Gilgamesh is that he talks a lot and says a lot, but the king who actually pushed humanity to evolve, rather by choice or because of God's will, was Solomon. To miracles with his birth. To magecraft after he was crowned. To science with his death. None of this involved in wiping them out, but it always involved him teaching, helping, nurturing and sacrificing. He saw the past and the future, remember. He gained humanity. And he believed in humans.

He's the one carrying the theme here.
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>>152349732
>Now I'm imagining a Youjo Senki scenario where a modern fedora-tipping "rational" salaryman is reincarnated back in ancient Mesopotamia and tries to one up Gil.
fund this please
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>>152349029
>He still has a sense of detachment to people because he's a Clairvoyant. All of them are a bit outside society and normal people. Merlin and Solomon are the other two we know so far. Gilgamesh can see the future, Solomon the past and the future, while Merlin the present.
A clairvoyant Trio? Also is Marilyn basically omniscient?
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>>152349859
Chaldea is a strange one though. It required the wish from the Holy Grail to actually become a thing.
It wasn't able to progress on it's own until Animusphere decided it would be a good idea to wish for a fuck ton of capital and to get accepted by the populous as a whole.

Can we really call it progress of humanity if it required non-human intervention?
But then the Fuyuki Holy Grail is a human invention to an extent so I suppose it is just using a tool created by humans but then on the flipside the series posits that a fake can be as good as the original so then would a fake grail be considered similar enough to the real to be considered divine?

And then what about the timeline from which Animusphere won the war? The Grail didn't seem to be corrupted so did that mean the first three wars went off without a hitch?
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>>152349859
>Solomon pushed human without God's will.
What the fuck are you talking about. Yaweh literally told Solomon what to do to make his kingdom great, and told him what to do to push humanity onwards.
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>>152349924
Merlin can see everything in the present, Gilgamesh in the future, and Solomon in the past and the future. Solomon's Clairvoyance was said to be "the most perfect." None of the three are regular human beings. Gilgamesh was a 3/4 god, Merlin half incubus, and Solomon was something so weird we're still discussing what the fuck he was.
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>>152350054
Yes, but Solomon as human, as Roman was the one who gave the final push and it was on his own will - similarly how Jesus chose to die to save humanity, even if there was a plan he did it on his own choice. Roman was Solomon as a scientist. He was a doctor. Read up what the theme is. Mystery and Age of Gods collapse forever after he used Ars Nova.

>>152350018
The wish from the Grail only gave them money which is what Olga's father needed.

>Can we really call it progress of humanity if it required non-human intervention?
Sure it does. The Grail is made by magecraft plus miracles, where is the origin of that if not what was handed by Solomon in the first place? It is not a gift from Ishtar or someone.

>The Grail didn't seem to be corrupted so did that mean the first three wars went off without a hitch?
IIRC, there was only one war in Fuyuki, the 2004 one. We don't know why.
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>>152350018
>The Grail didn't seem to be corrupted so did that mean the first three wars went off without a hitch?
The first three wars never happened
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>>152350167
>>152350168
Makes sense.

Now I just wonder how all this interacts with Aoko and Zeltretch.
Do they count as humanity progressing?
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>>152350057
>Solomon was something so weird we're still discussing what the fuck he was.
Explanation please.

Also how do they feel about each other?
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so is the magic in medea's era is the same or more powerful or weaker than in gil's era?
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>>152350241
They could be Solomon's descendants who inherited one specific magic.
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>>152350326
But we know how Aoko achieved her magic. Is that implying all Aozaki were going to be the only people to achieve BLUE?
If other people had imitated Aozaki Grandfather's methods that they would have failed?
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I have a theory.
There is no real magic in this world. It's just that people can somehow effect the state of quantum particles unconsciously. The less you know about it the more magical it becomes in an attempt to unconsciously achieve your desired.
The more you know about it the less magical it becomes and the more it conforms to the laws of science that you know of.

So basically everything is quantum physics even the ROOT can all be explained using quantum theory and multi-dimensional Theory and what not.

All of it can be explained using the observer effect.
But the observer effect on a higher level
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>>152350274
Solomon was born an inhuman hero legend/king. Unlike other heroes or monsters who are made, including those who are demigods or born with a prophecy like Arturia, seems like Solomon was one since birth. That's why he never experienced any "sense of humanity." Also he was basically a robotic system who was moved by God's will. He was said to be "omniscient" and "omnipotent" but he didn't have even the freedom to be angry about his lack of freedom. He becomes human thanks to a wish but loses his power and miracles. That's Doctor Roman.

>Also how do they feel about each other?
It's said that they feel some sort of kinship not exactly friendship but kind of acknowledgment. Gil and Roman are irritated by Merlin's antics, but they work together in Babylonia against Tiamat. Gil doesn't appear outside Babylon and a cameo. However, in his interlude even asshole Archer Gil is OK with following Roman, he's not so happy to deal with (you) and Mashu, so he tests. He also calls Solomon as "Great King Solomon". Caster Gil cannot stand Goetia faking to be Solomon, so he made himself a Caster out of spite.
As for the overall plot, after Olga dies in the prologue, Roman becomes the leader of Chaldea, everything runs there because he works his ass off to save history and humanity. Merlin has been juicing all Servants from Avalon, so his role is also important.
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>>152350397
The magic was in the Aozaki bloodline, it manifested through her.
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>>152350663
To be honest. Roman should've died in the explosion.

Goetia was the true hero of Grand Order.
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>>152350740
Nips agreed that Goetia was having an emotional breakdown and denial after Solomon died. Sure they bitched about humanity dying before, but they worked smoothly, after he died they completely flipped their shit to the point they deluded themselves to be Solomon.

It was kind of pathetic.
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>>152350740
>being mortal is horrible I'm going to make humanity immortal and everlasting like me
>no that's stupid dying is the greatest thing ever and is what makes humanity great!
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>>152336500
I wish I was a little girl and worthy enough to be part of our majesty's harem ;_;
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>>152350882
>tfw humanity is currently working on ways to be immortal right now with genetic engineering and extending the lifespan to ridiculous levels.
>tfw Goetia just took the short cut.

Solomon fucked up.
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>>152350882
Nasu went dumb.
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>>152350882
>>152350931
That wasn't the point. Goetia was denying human progress, evolution, and history. He burned down that because he deemed it "meaningless" because death exists. Death exists and is sad and painful, but what lead before to that point, the history made, the encounters, the sadness, the joy, all was meaningful. All what made you.... (you). Goetia saw it as disposable trash. Roman throwing himself away was showing that even if it was a short existence, it shone brightly and left a mark nothing would match. In that flicker, there is something that is meaningful. Goetia understood after he became a mortal and felt like even his futile fist fight as an agonizing guy was meaningful.

Basically, it's Fate generic message all the fucking time: do not trample over fucking history like if it was worthless.
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>>152350740
t. Flauros

I hope Goetia enjoyed all those doujins of Merlin or (you) fucking Solomon.
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If Goetia wanted to make humans immortal why didn't he cause a world wide Holy Grail War involving all of Humanity and every Heroic Spirit or those close to qualifying for one?

Then using all of the souls collected in this giant ass grail make surviving humans immortal, and become their leader?
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>>152350663
>so he made himself a Caster out of spite
Fucking Gil
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>>152342834
You can't be any more wrong. It was said that Gil loved humanity and truly valued them for at his time, they were all with purpose unlike now
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>>152351407
Because to become a Heroic Spirit, they have to die first. Goetia saw that dying somehow made their existence meaningless or some shit because he was immortal. He just saw it made them suffer and were in pain, so he wanted to eliminate the concept of death after killing everyone. He was a Beast, remember? They hopelessly try to save humans by fucking them over with retarded ideas.
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>>152351527
>they were all with purpose unlike now
except he's wrong, stop defending genocidal tyrant gilgamesh.
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If his plan goes as he wished, will magic be revived to it's original power?
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Heh gilgamesh is a better king than solomon. One had a mind if his own to advance humanity and went against his own gods to do so while the other was just a bitch controlled by the gods to work for humanity.
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>>152351876
Whose plan?
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>>152351896
>better king than Solomon
>HURR I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN ROMAN ARCHAMAN??

???
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>>152336500
What is Gil trying to accomplish in ubw route anyway? Genocide all humans and then what?
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>>152351907
Gilgamesh, he wish to remove all the people he deemed unworthy.
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>>152352064
Magic in the past came from the gods, same as magecraft. It has nothing to do with his autistic tirade.
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>>152351970
He just got a huge social Darwinism boner and wanted to put humanity through an apocalypse so that whoever survived would be strong enough to be worth ruling over.
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>>152352129
Well fuck, that's stupid then, what's the point of killing everyone not worthy then.
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>>152352171
See >>152352141
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>>152337048
Pretty much this.
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>>152351297
DELETE THIS.
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not all fate timeliness lead to chaldea you shitters. The timeline where Gilgamesh wanted to kill the weak was one where the human foundation was weak. It could have ended like extra or notes where humans get fucked. In the fate/SN timeline there was no hope for humanity unless he culled there numbers and started again from scratch.
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>>152337048
He is a dick explicitly because of the nature of humans in the era he is summoned in.
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>>152336500
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>>152352454
Any setting where Heroic Spirits can be summoned and manifest means the human order is strong, so fuck off. Human order is weaker in Tsukihime, so go be edgy with those fuckers.
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>>152352454
Didn't Extra get retcon to all fuck in Extella to include ayy lmaos and humanity dying on Earth to move into the Matrix?

In Extra humans were all fine and dandy on earth, just that HGW was fought on the internet in 2030.
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>>152352502
>He is a dick explicitly because of the nature of humans in the era he is summoned in.
Not anymore, he's a dick because he was summoned during the period he was a dick. Nasu has regained his sense and didn't whitewash him.
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>>152352502
Nasu retcon that retcon. He's using this: >>152348634
>>152348479
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>>152352544
No thats not true. Heroic spirits can be summoned in any setting but in a timeline where human foundation is strong they become stronger and dead apostols dont create DAA.
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>>152342000
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>>152352600
IT'S EXPLICITLY STATED SERVANTS CANNOT BE SUMMONED WHERE DAA EXISTS, RETARD. Because muh weak human order.

So fuck off.
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>>152352599
Stop fucking calling everything retconned when it doesnt fucking suit your argument. He cant retcon the original light novel. Gilgamesh in FSN is affected by humanity because he is rencarnated the one you are talking about is archer Fate Zero where he is an arrogant hero but isnt a genocidal maniack. Nasu didnt retcon shit.
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>>152352600
>Dead Apostle
>Those who have become vampires by having their blood sucked by True Ancestors or other Dead Apostles. Dead Apostles encompass most of the beings referred to as vampires. They possess bodies that are nearly immortal, but cannot withstand the light of the sun. ...The people living in those worlds would have no way of knowing this, but the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors, said to be the apex of the Dead Apostles, do not exist in worlds where Heroic Spirit summoning is possible.

Unless you mean that DAA don't exist in any setting. Idiot. Also Laby goes and clarifies more of this.
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>>152352644
Citation needed you fucking nigger. Get it or GTFO.
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>>152352683
I feel sometimes im talking to 3rd worlders with no comprehension skills. Dead apostoles can exists in strong human foundation but they cant become DAA.
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>>152352680
If you actually read FSN and FZ, you'll find no reference of that. Nasu tried to explain why CCC Gilgamesh was different from the cackling megalomaniac bad guy from FSN in an interview. Which he took back. All your 'source' is external information to the actual work. Which he dismissed and went for another explanation.

Archer Gilgamesh is described as 'heartless and cruel' and a 'tyrant.' Officially and this is now and not on 2004.
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>>152352699
See >>152352683
Can you read?

>the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors, said to be the apex of the Dead Apostles, do not exist in worlds where Heroic Spirit summoning is possible.
DAA DO NOT EXIST WHERE THE HEROIC SPIRIT SUMMONING IS POSSIBLE YOU DROOLING IDIOT. Do they exist in Tsukihime? They do! So you cannot summon Servants there.

And if you followed the meme Melty Blood manga, Wallachia explains more of this shit too.
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>>152352734
The irony.
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>>152352680
>He cant retcon the original light novel.
>I don't understand the concept of Retroactive Continuity at the basic vocabulary level.
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The critical levels of delusion by Gilfags is a thing of beauty.
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>>152352760
But you're misinterpreting it you fucking idiot. The DAA still exist, but there's no formal organization and they're all far weaker.
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>>152347242
>Lost to a literal shit mage is canonically said to never surpass Apprentice tier
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>>152336500
He's an idiot who never uses Ea when he should.
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>>152352644
Where DAAs exist as an organisation. Individually DDAs don't prevent HGW, see Zelretch.
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>>152352735
Gilgamesh in Zero is heartless and cruel but not outright evil. The one in FSN is different than the one in zero they are not the same. The archer gil you summon is the same as the one in zero but different than the one in stay night cause that one was incarnated. Nasu didnt retcon anything
>>152352760
Fucking retard im saying the ANCESTORS cant exists in a strong human foundation but normal ones can.
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>>152352864
You're so stupid that you forgot what you're arguing for. DAA exist, as organization or stronger or whatever you want to call it, in Tsukihime and spin off. Servants can't be summoned there, retard. Or they wouldn't be DAA.

Is your brain functional? Are you aware Arc got retconned out fate too?
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>>152352930
>Gilgamesh in Zero is heartless and cruel but not outright evil.
He laughs when he watched a woman choked by a guy who is being eaten alive by worms and encourages Kirei to release all evils in the world in the future to find his answer. He's more dignified but he's no different from FSN Gil, his characterization in FSN simply was split in three routes.

>Fucking retard im saying the ANCESTORS cant exists in a strong human foundation but normal ones can.
Which has nothing to do with what was argued, idiot. Did you follow the conversation or you jumped in just because?
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>>152352760
Nothing says heroic spirits cant exist there idiot. And Dead apostoles are a thing in a strong human foundation but they dont make "DAA" cause they are weaker.
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>>152352559
Extra had a chunk of the HGW being fought because resources were becoming scarce. Half of the people you fight are there to wish for their idea of a better world, be it Control or Salvation. Armed resistances were being mounted in order to break up what was essentially a giant governmental resource monopoly. Humans ain't "fine and dandy" by a long shot.

The Moon Cell was also explicitly stated to be left behind there by some sort of precursor race, although it doesn't talk about how. Ayy lmaos aren't out of the question.

That said, I haven't played Extella, so maybe there was a slew of retcons I don't know about.
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DA are anti-history, HS are pro-history. If several DAA, super anti-history exist, you can't summon HS. And in world where you can summon HS, DA can't reach ancestor level
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>G-Gil wanted to destroy FSN because the human order was weak.
>But Servants can only be summoned when the human order was strong (also see a plot point of FSN: human order chooses who gets to be a heroic spirit. Read Camelot, you EOP).
>REEE NO you always can summon Servants!!
>That's not true. For example, you can't summon Servants in Tsukihime, because there are DAA there and DAA don't exist in settings Heroic Spirits can be summoned, still has to do about the human order.
>That's fucking wrong! Dead apostles still exist!
>But in Tsukihime those are DAA, not DA. So no, Servant summoning can't apply to the setting according to nu canon.

Just for you to stop moving goalposts with dumbshit arguments. Gilgamesh was wrong. He jobbed and was killed. Stop trying to justify your edgy boner.
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>>152353003
What do you think Heroic Spirit summoning is?
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>>152353102
>plot point of FGO
my bad.
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>>152352972
yeah and he lets waver walk alway as well,your point? He wanted kotmini to do kotomini wants to. It wasnt kotomini in the end that released the mud but kiritsugu.
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>>152353123
Something that won't happen in Tsukiverse
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>>152353198
Exactly. So Tsukihime doesn't have Servants. The human order is weak. Human order as fucking established by the summary and intro to FGO is fed by history.

So, FSN has Servants or doesn't have Servants? (Think very long and hard because the Gilgamesh you're sucking off is a Servant). If the answer is a) does have Servants. DING DING human order is stronk.
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>>152353102
You can summon HS in a weak human foundation you idiot. And dead apostoles exist in a strong one they dont become DAA. Go type your memes in /r9k you shitter. If you can prove otherwise post it or fuck off.
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>>152352454
>the timeline Servants were summoned has a weak human order

????????????
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>>152353315
You're obviously shitposting at this point.
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>>152343825
Fakers.
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>>152353356
Yeah not an argument.
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What workout should I do to achieve his body?
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>>152353738
For starters cut your nipples off.
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>>152353738
Gil looks pretty otter mode there.
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>>152353055
>Resources becoming scarce in
>2030
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He is the strongest hero so i like him.
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>>152353841
Strongest implies no equal.
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>>152336500
Are we servants?
Or are we dancers?
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>>152353872
>That movement with that kind of armor.
What's the fucking point of armor if its not going to do its real job and be real with its movement?
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Wasnt gils father lugalbanda also a hero? Why is gil the first heroic spirit then?
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>>152353102
But didn't Zelretch, a Dead Apostle Ancestor, appear in Fate universe?
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>>152354073
He's a Dead Apostle, not a Dead Apostle Ancestor. Not a huge difference in his case.
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>>152353978
His first in the sense that his story was published first
King Hassan, Karna, Arjuna and few other fuckers are older than him, but their stories were written later
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>>152353901
>not going to do its real job
it does its real job
>be real with its movement
unnecessary
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>>152354073
>>152354073
Also in strange fake ORT,zelretch,and alcatraz exist as well.

F/GO was a mistake.
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>>152337232
>>152343728
i love you both
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>>152354109
Except that he is number four.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Twenty-seven_Dead_Apostle_Ancestors
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>>152354278
In a different timeline.
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>>152354350
Could you please explain? I don't know much about Tsukihime
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He's a man, that's the concept of the myth.

In fate, he's just a retard. He's corrupted in stay night and contrarian to the myth in zero.
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>>152337576
This anon is correct.
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>>152354258
Nasu said if anyone from Tsukihime appears in Fate they are from the Tsukihime verse crossing over and the organization DAA don't exist not the characters themselves retard
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>>152354439
In Tsukihime-like timelines DAAs are powerful and are a big deal
In Fate timelines beings, known as DAAs in other timelines, may exist but they are not as powerful, not as relevant and so they are not called DAA
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Best king in fate.
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>>152354439
in tsukihime timeline there is 27 DAA but in fate time line ther is no 27 DAA even though there is zaltrech ORT etc
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Are they the Justice League or the Legion of Doom?
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>>152349805
That'd be fascinating. Fund it
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>>152354752
Wish this design belonged to Anne Bonny instead.
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>>152350168
how the fuck did they not happen? what is this convoluted lore?
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>>152354872
>convoluted lore
More like bullshit tier lore with lots of retcons
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>>152351951
He was deferring to Roman because he knew who Roman actually was. Caster Gil showing respect to another king, especially Solomon, the King of Magic, is perfectly in character.
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>>152354350
>In a different timeline.
Since when the fuck do timelines matter to Zelretch, literally the only person who can skip across them like god over the surface of the waters?
He takes his DAA #4 title around with him the same way he takes his Second Sorcerer title around.
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>>152354655
>best king
>not king Hassan
>not king Ozzy
heresy
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>>152354973
That is irrelevant to the point. Even if he calls himself DAA number four, nobody else will in those universes.
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Solomonfags and arthuriafags are the worst thing to happen to fate. They make gil,jets,and nero autists look tame.
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>>152355099
Has the memo reached people that it's not Solomon yet?
Demon God King Goetia is the one to have the trillion kamehamehas.
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>>152347922
I wonder how much more mad Sakura would have been had she been on her period during being grailpregnant.
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>>152354973
He may still be DAA #4 but if he travels to a Fate timeline no one will know what the fuck does that mean
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>>152355138
>it's dark Sakura on her period suddenly transferred into UBW with Ataraxia's chest phonecall Rin accidentally calling her and proclaiming her Shirou love.
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>>152355099
Anything FGO related was the worst thing to happen to Fate.
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>>152354973
And I don't think there was a rule that there can be only one Zel, in Fate world he might be human.
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>>152355328
Kotomine's joke at Rin's expense doesn't make sense if her grand master wasn't a vampire.
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>>152355318
how so
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>>152336500
He's originally an ikemen villain to threaten the protagonist with NTR in an eroge. Nowadays he's more of a fanservice character for fujoshits.
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>>152355394
He's just mad he's EOP and can't enjoy it
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>>152354959
how did they not happen? didn't everyone know they did?
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>>152355394
eh for me they gave out a ton of new characters but they ended up a bit uninspired. A couple of them are just scantily clad warriors that seems the same from everyone else, others are mild clones of existing personalities and a couple were gender-changed with barely any reason why as compared to Arthur/Drake.
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>>152355510
>how did they not happen?
Alternative universes and shit
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>>152355633
The wikia says they did happen and has some history. So they just didn't happen in GO?
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>>152355685
maybe their never try to summon Avenger or Ruler
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>>152355685
Don't think about it
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>>152355511
>a couple were gender-changed with barely any reason why as compared to Arthur/Drake.
>implying Arthur/Drake genderbend had any reason other than taking money from waifufags
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>>152354854
I for welcome the design of the bisexual pirate who sexually assaults their Master.
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>>152355918
The difference was they gave effort into making excuses while the others became Saber-clones or fem'd without a historical piece
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>>152356012
Wonder what Jack Rackham went through in those days
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>>152356039
At first he was pounding Anne's pussy. Then Mary came along pretending to be male.

Jack thought Mary entered into a relationship with Anne which made Jack jealous until Mary revealed to Jack, Anne was a girl.

He then properly plowed both of their pussies while living on the high seas. Until he was defeated and sentenced to death which pissed Anne off.
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>>152356320
until Anne revealed to Jack, Mary was a girl.

I'm sorry I fucked up.
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>>152352520
So..... screw yourself?
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>>152336500
Both. Whenever Nasu wants
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>>152336500
>wanted to forcibly marry Saber and rape her until she was mindbroken
>gets cucked by Japanese high school boy and absolutely fucked
He's a villain, but also pathetic. Could never compare to Shirou as a man or hero.
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>>152357467
>shirofags still exists
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>>152357524
>gilcucks
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He was only a "villan" in VN. Most other adaptations of him he is an anti-hero or a hero.
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>>152357467
>rape her
>implying he isnt into femdom
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>>152357467
>shiro
>a man
>DUDE I AM GAR FOR ARCHER XD
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>>152357698
Even more pathetic. Subservient to a girl who literally hates you.
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>cucked all the men of uruk on their wedding day

Is there anything more alpha than gil?
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>>152357834
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>>152336500
Depends on the context, would you call yourself a villain after you squash an ant on the street?
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>King of jobbers confirmed kills:
>hercules
>archer emiya
>cu chulian
>iskandar
>tiamat
>BB
>passionlip
>melilith
>Kiara
>karna

>Grail wars won: fate/zero grail war

Im pretty sure im messing more kills but does anyone have more confirmed kills on servants?
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I barely know about GO, but I've recently found out about Grand Servants. Who do you think will be able to be summoned as them? I really hope they don't fuck them up with whoever being summoned as one.
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Why the hell exist gilfag
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>>152357752
but she took him on a wild night to town, thats not hate
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>>152348634
>Nasu basically managed to explain the difference by playing the card Servants manifesting on a certain stage/age will act on that current personality.
Wasn't this especially the case for Gil? Like how gaining a physical body in FSN made his human nature resonate more with the current era and all that?
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>>152358332
She took everyone on a night to town. But Gil was basically an insect to her at that point. She came home to Shirou and went full dere.
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>>152358453
thats because her ahoge grew back
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>>152358478
Putting the cart before the horse anon.
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>>152349029
>while Merlin the present.
What does this even mean?
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>>152358514
how else is the horse supposed to push it?
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>>152358524
Merlin can see everything everywhere as it occurs
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>>152349547
>Gil's point was fucking stupid considering the main reason humanity was stronger in his time was due to the blessings of the gods, something which he thought was a crock of shit and tried to personally bring an end to.
>
>Then, when the Age of Gods actually ends and humanity suffers a loss in mystery as a result he has the gall to say, "WOW, HUMANITY NOWADAYS IS SOOOOO WEAK?"

This is probably just Nasu writing himself into a corner with his brand new world building ideas.
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>>152349029
Gil has general omniscience, he can see the past too.
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>>152358075
Yes all of his kills in GO (including Tiamat, one of the beasts who is literally impossible to kill) and whatever he ends up doing in Fake
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>>152357467
Does Shirou technically get cucked when self-insert from GO taps the alternate versions of Arthur Saber?
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>>152359035
No, since GO doesn't matter. Not the same Seiba's anyway.
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>>152359098
>No since GO doesn't matter.
Anon that's not how it works.

>Not the same Saber
The Saber from GO is the same one from Stay Night though. She straight up remembers Archer Gilgamesh and Archer.
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>>152359145
>Anon that's not how it works
That's exactly how it works.
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>>152359145
Shirou is the only one who can bring out the romantic side of Saber though, and Saber's ending from the Fate route directly contradicts that particular Saber from being anywhere but Avalon, where she is with Shirou. Also,
>Anon that's not how it works
GO is a shitty mobile game that has nothing to do with the original VN.
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So any F/GOtards wanna load me up on what the fuck is up with Ea?
You guys must have a ton of info on that thing by now
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>>152359035
He also lost alternate Sakura and Rin in Extra
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>>152359264
It was the weapon originally used to fuck Tiamat up and create the heavens and earth. It was found by Gilgamesh and its usage is equal to the power of Enkidus full power (somehow???). Conceptually it creates a space time distortion that brings the opponent to the genesis of the earth and annhilates them there. It's good but I still don't think it's stronger than Solomons NP
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>>152359098
Actually same Saber Chaldea system lets them retain their memories. Only Fuyuki system erase their memories
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>>152359145
Fuck off, FGO garbage is irrelevant for all intents and purposes.
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>>152359693
Nasu already made FGO world the prime universe of Fate
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>>152359741
>please play my cool new mobile game guys, I PROMISE it's important and any money you spend will be well worth it :^)
Fucking Nasu, what a guy.
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>>152359741
If by prime you mean prime steak from a cash cow I would agree.
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>>152359822
No not that prime the other one. Nasu doesn't give one shit about the VNs anymore now that he can write whatever he wants and people will still eat it up
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>>152359693
>FGO
>irrelevant
LMAO
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Why is Okita Saber so superior when compared to the original Saber?
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>>152359940
She's not you dumb weaboo trash
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>>152358673
That'a all stuff from F/SN.
Gil rebelling against the gods.
The end of the Age of Gods weakening magecraft and humanity in general.
It's all there to begin with.
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Is he a hero or a villain?
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>>152349547
>>152358673
It's not that their magical prowess or weightlifting ability is lesser you idiots, it's that humanity is weaker in abstraction, people are lesser people compared to Gil's day. Every single person in Uruk was of value to Gilgamesh, he looked and looked for someone to execute on a whim, but he could not find anyone without a necessary purpose. Whereas he find maybe one person with purpose in ten thousand people of the modern day.
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>>152359873
Extella's writing is pretty vomit inducing. After every mission I apparently need 5-10 minutes of shameless fanservice.
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>beaten by a Japanese highschooler

He is a joke.
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>>152362519
This is Type-Moon. Who isn't defeated by a Japanese highschooler?
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>>152362585
Kojirou.
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>>152362519
>>152362585
Because that japanese high schooler isn't normal and even then he isn't OP, he gets rekt by literally everyone else.
Only reason he wins against Gil is his faster deployment of weapons against GoB.
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>>152336500
There is only one true hero in this franchise
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>>152360599
Brown Gil is pretty cute.
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>>152362661
Each time he is either mad or evil and he can't even save one fucking loli. He is a garbage, Gil was right.
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Guys can you explain me where does Arcueid in F/Extra enters the no DAA in Fate Universes? Was that only shitposting for the producers or is it cannon? I remeber Archer knowing a fair lot about Dead Apostles in that chapter.
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>>152363083
Don't think about it. At first Nasu thinked that tsukihime and fate should be in a complete different universes but now anyone don't give a fuck at all.
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>>152360690
In other words, Gil looked at modern society and realized that humanity went to shit because there's too many liberal arts majors and burger flippers.
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>>152359562
>Conceptually it creates a space time distortion that brings the opponent to the genesis of the earth and annhilates them there.

F/HA Enuma elish is retconned by every other adaptation that envolves Ea. It doesnt have the "lul shows how the earth is lava before" the sword warps reality crushes it and turns it to a black void. Its even similar to a blackhole because in fate/strange fake Ea manages to absorb both light and sound into thr void.

The only two things that so far can counter it is avalon via phasing to a different dimention or enkidu enuma elish which basicly used the power of the planey to "stitch the patch of empty space Ea creates.
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>>152336500
>Is he a hero or a villain?
He is shit.
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>>152363235
Thats not actually far from the truth anon. He wanted to cull the numbers of humans because the consumption society in that timeline doesnt have a bright future.
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>>152362978
>Gil was right
Wasn't that retconned in the animu when Gil actually acknowledged him multiple times
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How does it feel to know nihilist are right in the tsukihime and fate universe?
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>>152363668
Nihilism has always been right though, everything is meaningless since you die so you might as well just kill yourself if you didn't enjoy your life.
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I dislike how F/GO has changed the tone of Fate. I hope all the changes it makes don't carry over into Tsukihime (presuming Nasu ever takes a break from milking the cash cow and finishes the remake).
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>>152364730
At this point tsukihime will be just a collab-event for FGO. Well, at least TM release it somehow.
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>>152336500
He is just an asshole
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Why did he rip illyas eyes out
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>>152364843
If they're going to fuck it up I'd rather they just left it alone.
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>>152365034
He didn't rip them out. He was performing surgery on her. She should be grateful since he didn't charger her.
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Isn't a DAA one of the Masters in strange/fake?
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>>152365034
So she couldn't see how some loli gonna die.
Gil is sadistic piece of shit, what did you expect?
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>>152365093
Not written by Nasu so not canon.
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>>152365208
Zero is canon and it wasn't by Nasu.
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How is solomon's NP stronger than enuma elish?
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>>152365244
It was supervised by Nasu and Nasu is the one who wanted to write Zero so it is canon.
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>>152365274
Then
>Not written by Nasu so not canon
is a lie.
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>>152365265
Humanity's energy > Puny god shit
Humans eventually come out on top in Nasu works in case you haven't noticed.
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>>152365298
So that means solomon is stronger than Gil
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>yfw Oddysseus Grand Rider
>yfw Longinus Grand Lancer
>yfw Heracles Grand Archer
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>>152365324
No, Goetia is stronger than Gil. Solomon doesn't normally operate on the same level as Goetia.
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>>152365292
It wasn't supervised by Nasu and Nasu didn't want strange fake to be written.
Unless you can give proof of the opposite then fuck off.
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>>152365362
>Grand Lancer is the spear itself.
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>>152365298
They didn't really before the fate spinoffs started. I mean. They survived, but I wouldn't call it winning.
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Can someone explain why solomon turns out to be the evilish final boss in london in FGO as opposed to him being a good person as mentioned several times by anons in this thread?
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>>152365664
The same reason anything weird and stupid happens in Fate: Nasu is a hack
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>>152365664
Because it isn't Solomon
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>>152365664
Roman is the real Solomon who won a Grail War and wished to be reborn as a normal human.
The Solomon that appears is just Goetia (the 72 demons) hijacking Solomon's original body.
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>>152363083
Is Extraverse even considered part of the Fate multiverse? The Servants there are are just materialized records of heroes with some buffs or limitations made by the Moon Cell and aren't actually summoned from the Throne, so whether the human factor is strong or not shouldn't be relevant.
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>>152365725
Extrafags get upset when you try to tell them their series isn't completely relevant to the mainline Fate canon. And Nasu would rather roll in their money then contradict them.
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>>152365718
Wait, which grail war did he won? The first one of the same grail as the 3rd, 4th and 5th mentioned in the F/SN timeline?
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>>152336500
>he
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>>152365940
why is she not canon yet?
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>>152365879
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6031-Fate-Grand-Order-Story-and-Lore?p=2572755#post2572755
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>>152365974
i have no idea
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>>152365974
Because genderbend versions of already existing servants is impossible.
Even though they make mostly waifushit things now they'll never stoop that low.
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>>152365981
Wait, that Dr. Romani Archaman that was featured in episode 1 of FGO First Order is actually king solomon post holy grail war?
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>>152366194
Yes. The big bad is the demons taking control of his old body from when he was Solomon.
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>>152365208
But he explicitly used Narita's idea with the Edison lionman.
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>>152366326
If demons existed in the fate universe, where are the angels? Do we not have archangels or seraphims in the mix?
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>>152366588
Wait until one of them makes it into FGO to drum up yen.

Archangel Gabriel as a loli in slutgarb when?
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>>152365981
i don't care what people say but Nasu is genius in making lore
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>>152366032
Don't tell me he can't find a shitty potion from his GoB.
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>>152366032
Saber is litterally a magical futa.
I'm not even getting into the whole dick worms thing.

They stooped lower then merely genderbending servants already.
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Are counter guardians different from grand servants and normal servants and do they play an important role in the FGO timeline?
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>>152366841
CGs are low-wage janitors. Literally shit tier people stuck in dead end jobs that weren't good enough for HS status.
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>>152366911
So kiritsugu and emiya confirm to be jobbers?
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>>152365974
Because we have someone so much better.
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>>152366911
ecksdee, so fanny
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Why are there two different versions versions of enuma elish? I thought Gilgamesh is the only one alone that possesses Enuma Elish?
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>>152367138
Faker
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>>152367720
"Enuma Elish" is just a thing Gil yells when using Ea. The name is taken from Sumerian creation myth. It'd be kinda like if Moses beat someone over the head with the stone tablets and shouted "GENESIS!" while he did it.
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>>152354872
The second (and first actual war) happened in SN-derived universe because during the first the 3 founding family couldn't reach an agreement.

Maybe in GO each of the Tohsaka/Einzbern/Makiri gave it a try, but after 3 times it still didn't work and they had to bring it outsiders to summon enough Servants.
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>>152367970
You mean superior.
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>>152367720
Enuma Elish is the Babylonian equivalent of Genesis. Ea is the first half tearing the world apart. Enkidu (Enuma Elish: O Humans, Let Us Restrain The Gods) stiches it back together
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>>152368050
Man, SL better not fuck her face with the movie budget. Also, no more ugly CGI.
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>>152370076
Have yet tot check if the bluerays fixed her.
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