No one here could ever match the love Okabe has for his waifu, no.
Because Vega and Altair is only the first step in developing the plan for Operation Skuld. I mean, he hadn't even figured out that the Upa played a huge role in the Nakabachi Thesis reaching Russia in Vega and Altair.
I just realized something.
Kurisu of R world line is just as bad as Okabe.
Think about it. Kurisu got severe PTSD from her initial failure to save Okabe, and then she would harbor her regrets within her for decades, giving up on the Phone Microwave (name subject to change) while continuing her temporal essence transfer research, and then to make that time machine while forbidding anyone to disrespect the wishes of Hououin Kyouma.
She is no better than Punished Okabe of SG;0 as such! Suzuha had to play Mayushi's role in SG;0 and slap some sense into her for god's sake.
>I came back in time to laugh at you.png
That was so ridiculously based. I wept and kek'd damn hard over how awkward it must have been for Leskinen who's been denied of Japanese Shaman girls in public.
I'm a hardcore Steins;Gate fan, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in the Akihabara where I would often make inventions with Okabe in the LAB and help Mayurii with her costumes, but one day as I was talking to Mayurii, we went to the kitchen or a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live in Alpha worldline and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"
This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Daru and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for the LAB, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Daru said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.
I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.
>Multiple worldlines at the same time
>One person shifting to a different worldline
>Massive changes occurring to the timeline without any change whatsoever to divergence
You're delusional, and not the good kind.
it's kind of sad, but I don't disapprove of suicide
see you space labomem
Maho's work actually proves that Daru's been right all along in a way. 2D and 3D simply doesn't make any shit of a difference when it comes to define the "being". Hell, an implication from how Okabe deceived the world is that Maho may be able to deceive the world and bring Kurisu back in a chatbot form, while you can technically run off of a rig that Daru's set up somewhere.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. Who you’re referring to as Kurisu, is in fact, AMADEUS/Kurisu, or as I’ve recently taken to calling her, AMADEUS plus Kurisu. Kurisu is not a person unto herself, but rather another tightly guarded component of a fully functioning AMADEUS system made useful by the AMADEUS framework, neural simulation utilities and vital system components comprising a full simulacrum of the human brain as defined by LESKINEN.
Talented researchers run a modified version of the AMADEUS system every day, without the public realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of AMADEUS which is closely studied today is often called “Kurisu”, and many laymen are not aware that she is basically the AMADEUS system, developed by Victor Chondria University. There really is a Kurisu, and these people are interacting with her, but she is just a part of the system they use.
Kurisu is the memory data: the information that gives the system direction and context. The memory data is an essential part of an AMADEUS based AI, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of AMADEUS. Kurisu is normally used in combination with the AMADEUS operating system: the whole system is basically AMADEUS with Kurisu added, or AMADEUS/Kurisu. All the so-called “Kurisu” instances are really instances of AMADEUS/Kurisu.
Will they do her justice in the anime adaption?
I want a fubuki route in the next S;G romcom spinoff
Eh, I dunno. Maybe setting up for something in the future.
I actually hope that Fubuki can be developed to the point that she figures it out herself as an observer. I'd like to see her piece the puzzle together, although the thought of Fubuki getting PTSD and then joining the Reading Steiner rehab club with Okabe is a bit morbid.
Fubuki has been asking all the patients that's admitted for their Encephalitis about their symptoms, and that's actually more than enough to get things going. If Fubuki time leaps and begins to realize the changes to the world line and then turns to Okabe and the future gadget lab members about what's been done by at the hospital, then it'll be inevitable that Fubuki starts to realize just how enormous the scope of her experiences are.
Fubuki's interactions with Mayuri would become increasingly awkward though, especially if she ever uncovers the trauma that is the alpha world line.
Are there bad ends in the Renascimento branch?
>fight for your waifu against the most difficult element to conquer
That guy is literally willing to risk destroying the timeline just to save his girl. What did you do today /a/?
I want to vape Kurisu's lewd juice and ultra-stinky virgin sweat wrung fresh from her soaked pantyhose after a long day of science.
Also her bathwater.
How the fuck do you buy it? I visited the website and I can't figure out how to order. I don't even vape, I'll just give it to a coworker on the condition that he allows me to take a few hits.
The only Okabe that risked destroying the timeline was Faris End Okabe, who sent a D-Mail without any grasp of its consequence.
Furthermore, he ultimately did destroy the timeline, as far as it matters.
Yeah, but what happens afterwards? Is it just all over and everybody is fucked?
Yeah, so what's the deal with this scene? Was it only a friendly hug?
If they really did hook up, that means they worked their asses off in their whole lives in order to reach a worldline where they will probably never even meet, much less become a couple again. Somehow I feel it's much more tragic, than Kurisu sacrificing herself. (Even though I love Christina.)
If they never meet in S;G we riot
Apparently Yuki's identity differs between the two main routes. In Riniascimento it's the real Yuki, while in Altair and Vega the real Yuki is studying abroad in Europe so the Yuki that we see is actually Kagari with plastic surgery.
Well, we know that at least even if everything goes wrong Daru remains best boy and will set things right by building a time machine. I think the ending makes it pretty clear that this Okabe has given up completely, but I guess it's certainly not impossible for him to wake up again if Daru or Maho put some sense into him.
As far as what happened afterwards it's a lot more detailed than the 2 other non-key endings.
But wouldn't they have all known that way earlier? Kagari in general just doesn't make a lot of sense.
I was under the impression that Leskinen managed to get the location from AI Maho though, given his comments when you talk to him, AI Kurisu's posts and we know from Gehenna that Leskinen did try to coerce Maho to update her Amadeus in exchange for going to Japan.
>Maho is only brainwashed on Gehenna, isn't she?
Yeah, but that event occurred before any brain washing. We know for sure that Maho would have liked to go to Japan in this branch just as much as the other one if not more, so it makes sense that Leskinen would have still brought it up around the right time.
Only she doesn't get to go anyways since she doesn't get brainwashed to help him.
I don't think it was ever explained in Epigraph either.
>being the default slut ending
>canon hand holding
>get her ending regardless of how many flags collected
>only get kurisu when all flags are collected
Maho's long fluffy black hair and green eye combo can't be beat though.
Why does she cut it?
Faris > Maho > Kurisu = Suzu > Mayuri > moldy cat feces > boy (girl) > Moeka
>>get her ending regardless of how many flags collected
You get Kurisu end if you have even one Kurisu flag.
Kurisu end is the True End only it never goes past the fakeout credits.
Mayuri End = 0 Kurisu flags.
Suzuha (α) > Moeka (γ) > Faris > Maho > Mayuri > Kurisu > Yuki > Lukako > Moeka (α/β) > Suzuha (β) > Kagari > Suzuha (γ)
Nae > Suzuha > Mayuri > Kurisu > Maho > the rest > trash > Moeka
almost stopped reading there
>Mayuri before Kurisu
well, at least we can agree Faris > Maho > Kurisu
Even if everyone tells me it is wrong, I will love Moeka.
Yes. I still have not yielded to a single figure in her series and I shall not until one of her is made.
Actually, there are two, but one is chibi and the proper proportioned one lacks her equipment.
Thus I shall continue to wait. My sweet-as-a-melon, anime-loving, weapon-engineering, 4th-fleet-flagship deserves it.
Another question about the Kagari plotlines.
What happened during the attempted kidnapping of Kagari? Who was it?
The woman in the motorcycle suit hurt her left arm in the process. Later Okabe finds out that Yuki has an injury in the same spot. But Yuki=Kagari is only true for the Gehenna/Mayuri/True End worldlines.
Is it another dropped plotline or did i miss something?
Isn't that just Reyes in the suit? A day later the worldline splits a lot so that the kidnapping and the injury never happen.
Yuki having an injured arm is either just coincidence or a weird quirk of convergence valuing superficial appearances.
Hmmm, yeah probably you are right. It kinda makes sense i guess.
Having girls win in the various failure options of the original S;G was a mistake. I'm glad they didn't repeat it with Zero.
Recursive Goose was nonsensical, with the song loop thingy. But otherwise I found it pretty good. Maho, Mayuri and bad end are really good.
I know. Just wanted wish fulfillment I guess. Maybe one of them is bi and hooks up with Mayuri/Faris while the other gets together with Luka.
That is true, and there's only one path where it pans out properly for him. The only reason it works out is because of the strength of his motivation. Ultimately he doesn't really care about SERN or all that much about WW3. He cares about Mayuri and Kurisu. It's love that keeps him fighting.
Saw Milky-way crossing. Started wondering if Daru and Maho would develop an Amadeus successor and all the Valkyrie members would have a digital backup of themselves. If Okabe can indeed cheat death by being a digital ghost, then so can the other lab members.
Do we have to get into this discussion again?
The author already confirmed Suzuha end is a happy ending and the possibility remains for all the other ones too. "Canon" is not a japanese word.
I am not denying anything other than the value of "canon" which is a meaningless term. Canon timelines are not more valuable than noncanon official timelines. Both appropriately comment on the setting.
>Both appropriately comment on the setting.
Then you must surely have noticed that only one timeline actually results in a happy ending. That you can't see how retarded your own argument is on this point is astounding.
>The music that plays when Kagari goes ballistic when she sees Mayuri hurt in Altair and Vega
Sends shivers down my spine. Also I'm disappointed we didn't get future labmem sprites. Instead we got military uniform sprites that showed up for exactly 10 minutes.
>Then you must surely have noticed that only one timeline actually results in a happy ending.
Really? I thought the other ones were noncanon so I guess they have no ending? How stupid you are. Clearly they do not exist.
Oh wait they do exist, and we don't see where they lead. But Okabe is not dead so they can lead much further than what we see.
You dare to insult me yet you are the one who thinks noncanon = fanfiction (other ends don't matter) but also assert your own fanfiction = canon (other ends are bad). You are two-faced, idiot.
The problem is that based on nothing than 'fighting spirit' you're arguing that every one of the other ends should be considered a good end until proven otherwise. This is not a reasonable assumption.
>other ends don't matter
And they don't, unless you're a shipper clinging onto the idea that Okabe really is potentially happy with your favorite girl. As they stand in S;G they offer very little if anything to add to the setting. They're essentially getting off the train short of the final station and that's exactly how the game treats them.
They can't be considered bad ends either because we don't fucking see what Okabe does. There is no "reasonable assumption". Okabe is alive, Okabe will probably try to fight (the existence of the Divergence meter always implies future Okabe has something he has a will to change), if he succeeds or not is a pure fucking "question mark" not "MUST BE BAD END HURR DURR".
>As they stand in S;G they offer very little if anything to add to the setting.
Except an entire new attractor field in Faris end and a restructured timeline in Suzuha end. The existence of other possibilities is intrinsically expanding the setting. The author could write a whole story following them if he wanted. Again canon proves itself to be a meaningless idea, because they remain official content.
They don't, silly EOP. Tell me the japanese word for canon. Please. Then see how often it is used in japanese discussion.
"This series of events is somehow more important than anything else the author writes ever" is dumb. The only things "not canon" are omake.
Canon's only value is when talking about particular orders of events. Which nobody does ever.
Canon is a western concept that comes from dumb religious sects arguing over the bible.
In the east anything the author writes with serious intent is valid for the setting they create. There is no "importance" given to one text string the author is given over the others that somehow obsoletes the others.
>The only Mayuri ending requires Kurisu to bully Okabe into it
>No ending where he sacrifices Mayuri for Kurisu
>But there exists an ending where he gives up on Mayuri for Lukako
>In the PR branch the death that pushes him to resume time travel isn't the Alpha suicide but Lukako's death
what did the devs imply by this
>talking about decisions made in completely different contexts as though they are the same
The anime did its own take on a lot of scenes which were pretty good (except for the mess they made of Mr. Braun), and even if you're not interested in watching the whole thing there's a nice light hearted OVA set in the Steins;Gate worldline that doesn't completely destroy all the built up time travel mechanics unlike the movie.
0 is a solid midquel. Not quite as tightly written as the original.
>We understand that you live in Alpha worldline
Except that we live in the Beta worldline. I'm sorry but you're experiencing a delusion my friend.
>The author already confirmed Suzuha end is a happy ending
Oh man it's this guy again. Also
>implying the author confirmed it was a happy ending
>b-but the -possibilities- guys!
Also, the whole point is to achieve the happiest ending. Or do character motivations not define story telling for you?
I could see that working considering that Fubuki's probably one of the only people that really know what Okabe's been through once she realizes that all those dreams she had of Mayuri dying actually happened.
This probably doesn't actually work but giving it some thought what if she knows about the existence of the Steins;Gate timeline from some shenanigans involving Kagari?
Kagari contains her memories which sort of contain her conscience, and Kagari should have learned enough about Steins;Gate. So when the wordline leaps into Twin Automata and Kurisu manifests herself in Amadeus during ending she could have knowledge about that timeline from Kagari's time spent in the future.
>S;G true end
What's the discrepancy here?
Something that doesn't sit well with me is how that Maho would choose Kurisu as her codename. Seeing that makes me wonder if Vega and Altair route implies that Maho didn't really reconcile her inferiority complex to Kurisu.
All these threads and the D-LINE still confuses the fuck out of me. I just can't see how it's possible unless we accept a multiple universes theory, that the game had already established as untrue anyway.
I just don't get it. Aren't both Renascimento and Vega paths to the True End? Okabe sends a D-LINE to a different worldline, but it's been hammered into us that there's only one worldline active.
That's not quite how it works. You don't send D-Mails / D-RINEs "to" a worldline, you just send them back and the worldline shifts in response.
If the worldline shifted upon sending the D-Line, how come in Vega we see things from the persepective of a "brand new" Okabe starting in November 2010 rather than continuing from when we sent the D-LINE in renascimento, upon the worldline shift?
That's just showing us the actions that the Okabe that received the message took as a result. It'd be like seeing what Okabe did upon receiving the LOTO Six D-Mail in the original.
If we assume that the D-RINE from Rinascimentio goes back to November 2010 and then this Okabe at November 2010 proceeds to go down the Vega Altair line then the Rinascimentio one would pop into the VA worldline in about a year, since the D-RINE was sent at that time.
It's also possible that these two worldlines don't occur right after each other and the Rinascimentio line goes through many other worldlines as a result of his D-RINE before eventually dying in 2025 (since he still isn't sure about how the whole world deception works), and in 2036 a Suzuha who grows up with this Okabe who knows the details about deceiving the world will go back to 2010, changing divergence and then the Okabe in this new world line can end up going through Vega or any of the others. In which case Rinascimentio Okabe will never end up in the Vega timeline.
As far as I understand it anyways.
I think I finally get it.
Mayuri is a mad romanticist. It's the only way to explain why she has decided to put everything on the line for her Hikoboshi and bet on the future of Steins Gate world line.
She fully recognized that Okarin's Orihime is Makise Kurisu, and that there's no way for Okarin to be Hikoboshi without being Hououin Kyouma again. Mayuri became mad to the point that she asked Suzuha about the future and go on that one-way mission to save Hououin Kyouma, and openly tempt fate by trying to save Hououin Kyouma and letting everything go.
There was no-one more worthy of being Kyouma's hostage than her.
I finished the entire game and I still don't understand what Mayuri meant by this
That song is the chain that binds the future to the past, as it goes round and round in a self-perpetuating cycle of causality which connects Mayuri with Kagari. Mayuri in the future would well know that Kagari and her bonded together in 2011 because of that song.