So Episode 77 should be considered to be the first episode of the Universal Tournament arc?
Probably, but I prefer the Paradise Grass idea
Again, not canon.
Goku would have beaten himself if he had used that worthless form. He was holding it back because he didn't want to disadvantage himself. Not that it mattered in the end, since Vegeta's undefeated record against Goku improved to 2-0.
3-0 when? Do you think AT will write an even more embarrassing loss for the clown?
I hope the manga chapter this month have some nice fight choreography.
>Goku would have beaten himself if he had used that worthless form
I agree, they should not respond like Goku has never responded to his losses against Vegeta.
So you are upset. I'm sorry anon, I'm just stating facts. I never meant to offend.
What are you trying to prove, anon? There was a severe flaw in SSB that Vegeta and Goku were unaware of. Vegeta, by unintentionally revealing this flaw, in turn made Goku aware of it. Just goes to show that Vegeta is a far more useful fighter overall.
This would've been a great filler episode.
>wanting Goku to wear this outfit already
>Hit is chill in the anime.
Nah anime Hit is a faggot, manga Hit is a bro.
>go to your firstborn son's movie debut
>can't even be fucked to change out of your gi
>fall asleep during it and talk that shit RIGHT TO HIS FUCKING FACE
Why is the first Trunks' jacket so short? It looks ridiculous, like one of those short women's jackets. I guess you don't care about fashion when you're the last of your race. Even the third Trunks looks dumb though, shorts + boots + long jacket and a scarf. Like make up your mind, do you want to be dressed for summer, winter or fall?
Because he's a hack.
The manga should be better than the anime, it has a low bar to shoot for, but somehow it's on-par, matching the anime's shit with substandard quality and lack of memorable characters due to playing it safe.
Toyo is god-awful.
Everyone thought it was Barry so that was Goku's way of showing support for Gohan. It's called being subtle anon. If Gohan got the credit he deserved Goku would have acted differently
Because 90s clothes. Or maybe Toriyama just doesn't have a good fashion sense.
>Tsunderes are better than edgelords
Manga Hit isn't a Tsundere but yeah anime Hit a shit.
Dragon Ball doesn't do Subtlety. Trying too hard, faggot.
who is ready for best girl
>Battle of the Gods
>not part of Super
Well, he made a promise to Buu, remember?
Kid trunks. I love the little shit. Perfect mix of spoiled, Cocky and cute enough for it to not bug me. Plus I think his friendship with Goten is cute.
Can't fucking stand his japanese voice though.
Posession and mind control is always the worst fucking thing.
I love the Ginyu force and even that part was just BARELY enjoyable. And it ensures that one fight in half the dragonball Z games is going to suck.
But Yamcha is, in Beerus' eyes, da real MVP.
daily reminder that Future Trunks in the manga may continue to have purple hair.
I honestly really enjoy the spirit of EoZ. Personally I'd love for Uub's training to be more of an adventure than the constant onslaught of ridiculously powerful villains that Dragonball became. Like maybe when Uub gets strong enough they'd travel to other universes or something to see other powerful fighters or cool locations instead of having to stop planet destroyers from destroying planets.
Define "everyone." Goku still trained, so did Vegeta. Gohan is living the same life we see him in Super, Goten and Trunks have potential. Oob was a fighter on the rising.
I get what you're saying but I also whole heartedly disagree. I legitimately enjoy the idea of everyone settling down a bit, especially as they've gotten older.
Granted I love the fights in Dragonball a lot, but it's kind of a double edged sword. Like early Dragonball had kind of a good mix of wonder fighting and adventure but eventually everyone became so strong that fights just started interesting me less and it became less "magical". My second favorite part is the early Buu saga where gohan balances School life with being the saiyaman and we get to see everyone training to fight, not for the fate of the universe but just to test their strength in a tournament.
>tfw you realize Trunks only exists because Cell killed him
Did Black deserve a nomination for Crunchryoll's best Villain award?
Black and Zamasu were both mediocre as fuck villains. "NINGEN NINGEN FUCKING NINGEN REEEE" and Coldsteel the Saiyanheg. They're better than Cell and Buu but that's not exactly saying much.
>videl will never be the spunky tomboy waifu everyone loved ever again
the same thing happened to chi chi and every other girl
children ruin women
it's not fucking fair
>toryiama stopped being good aftwr frieza ended.
Buu and Cell were both pretty great, though.
Cell's progression from seedy horrow movie psychopath to smug superior overlord was well-defined, and Buu's malleable gimmick was interesting, making the lead-up and eventual showdown against Goku and Vegeta in the Kaioshin realm really cool.
Black and Zamasu were just memes.
>Goku is a shit father and an asshole because he only fights
>Gohan is a shit fighter and a failure because he stays with his family
Then what the fuck do you guys want? Is this a meme I don't get
Yes, they were, but barely, and again that isn't saying much.
Black is literally Coldsteel the Saiyan
>Buu and Cell were both pretty great
No, they were actually trash villains who relied on their shit "LOL I can regenerate from anything huehuehue" gimmick too much to be any semblance of interesting.
bait or not you have to admit Goku vs Frieza was arguably his peak
I mean compare this to the scrawny gay ass shit he draws now
That is what Toyotaro's fights are missing full pages of action, too bad being monthly stops him from doing this.
>gohan is a shit fighter
ignoring the fact that chichi the bitch forces school onto him in literally every arc, yet he still manages to be the most powerful character in the entirety of the series, minus the goku moment on namek, until vegeto appears in the show
now he's just some shit character that is literally worthless and we are back on the saiyaman meme again
You're aggrandizing his power quite a lot, but yeah, he's a shit fighter.
Power =/= Fighting ability.
Gohan doesn't have that killer instinct until he's super TRIGGERED like Cell did when he killed 16.
Also his character now is probably just build for a return to semi-relevance next arc, based on promotional images.
>omg this art is so superior and masterfully drawn lmao fucking brolyfags XDxdlmrofll
it seems you're the one triggered over good art my friend
SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGE ME THEY FUCKING RUINED VIDEL AND CHI CHI AND 18 AND LAUNCH DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHY IS BULMA THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO HAVE PERSONALITY THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
It wasn't having a child that ruined Videl
>reaching this hard
Crutching on regeneration to win makes a villain a boring piece of shit. Remember when King Piccolo regenerated after Goku punched a hole through his stomach? Of course you don't, because it didn't fucking happen.
I accept your concession, pretentious Blackfag.
>Beerus is best everything.
>when the Buu saga was literally tailored around how Goku and Co. reacted to Buu as he shifted between forms far more-so than his capacity to sensu bean himself
>when Goku point-blank kamehameha'd Cell, which he regenerated from, but his TRUE death knell was spitting up 18, greatly depowering him, and his triumphant return was evolving around super saiyan genes
It's not a reach, they were both just much more based around the notion that they were malleable and changeable enemies than their regeneration, which was more tangential to make them more threatening than crucial.
>pulling this much shit out of your ass when you know you're just bullshitting to save face
Okay anon. Buu and Cell are shit villains, no matter what pretentious bullshit you spout
Pretty much this.
In the normal one they overextended fights and not fights only to cover the 20 minutes timeframe.
I cant say a thing about kai cuz i only saw the first 4-8 chapters, doe.
but you can still watch the superior version of the show and enjoy all it's better qualities the whole way and then go back and watch that episode on its own
have you actually sat down and watched through the original z unedited any time recently? it's borderline unwatchable
>I accept your concession
Easiest way to spot an autist with no argument.
>hehe funny le meme reaction pictures
Not an argument.
>More so than you
Top kek, anon. You literally can't fathom how out of your league you are.
>Easiest way to spot an autist with no argument.
I actually laughed at the self-aware jab.
You ain't so bad
why the fuck does Super ignore the fact it takes place after Buu for nearly everything?
bulma looks younger here than in Z and Vegeta doesn't wear his Buu saga gi while still being all about MUH BEATING GOKU even though there was a poignant character moment at the end of Z when he called him number 1
it really screams thrown together cashgrab slammed into z's chronology
Your terribly photoshopped meme deceives you.
I'm surprised your under-developed mind can comprehend laughter, or indeed any sort of emotion or attribute save autism.
>the retard is still going
>bulma looks younger here than in Z
Do you mean EoZ? That may not even be canon.
>Vegeta doesn't wear his Buu saga gi while still being all about MUH BEATING GOKU even though there was a poignant character moment at the end of Z when he called him number 1
This is something I actually like, because that's how pride actually works.
It momentarily buckles, but when necessity is pushed aside (the immediate universal threat of Majin Buu), it resumes natural order, unwilling to take the L with permanence.
Basically, Vegeta, when forced to, when the Universe was pressing on their shoulders, admitted Goku could do it, and he couldn't, because Goku was in his face, trading blows with a villain he'd get massacred by.
Removed from that, he's still Vegeta.
But that looks pretty good. I wish Toriyama drew the Super manga.
Toyotaro is serviceable, but I like Toriyama's recent arc (it does make the characters look a bit too young, but it's stylistically solid).
I think his peak was Tenshinhan vs. Goku to the end of the Saiyan arc. Namek had some cool sequences, though, as do the arcs after it.
Insinuating that someone else is a retard when you, yourself, are so woefully mentally handicapped is the purest form of irony.
Do you understand sarcasm and satire? Are those words too large for you, inferior one? Do I need to dumb my sentences down into the language of the cavemen, or would that still prove too difficult for your small brain to follow?
why is he so perfect?, I miss him everyday
That style of jacket was popular in european fashion in the late 80s, early 90s
It had a futuristic look, compared to the jacket goku wears that same arc.
Trunks shoes were velcro, his belt was like a seat belt, he was all future
Posting more plebian "epic meme" images to satisfy your craving for a self-perceived Internet victory? How many times per day do you scrape the Cheeto dust from your fingers and scratch off another tick mark on your "Internet victories" chalkboard hanging haphazardly on the wall in your mother's basement? I suppose this is why I shouldn't bother frequenting /a/.
You pitiful Zamasu/Black fans think you are of a higher caliber of intelligence simply due to your villain preference. In a Chinese cartoon no less. Hilarious.
I really am sick of Vegeta's cell saga armor though, the buu gi showed really well how he was acclimating to earth life and progressing as a character while still letting him look like a badass and fight in it
when I see him in the cell getup I can't help but feel like I'm looking at the wrong vegeta
does underestimating everybody make it easier for you to lie to yourself
no matter how funny you think it is not matter what persona you're posting through
repeat after me
SAYING LE IS GAY
SAYING LE IS GAY
now continue getting into fights with strangers
my point is that one good filler episode doesn't make up for literally everything else being worse
you can watch that episode by itself and not drag yourself through the mess of the original while watching kai instead
I'm still mad they ditched their new outfits.
I'm sure you don't, seeing as how it isn't a pasta. But believe whatever you must to save your fragile ego. It's neither here nor there to me.
More memes. As expected of lesser intelligent beings. I almost pity you.
Your opinions are just that: Opinions. They are not facts, though I don't expect a fool with such low mental capacity to comprehend the difference. I sincerely doubt you could grasp the most basic of concepts, so I won't ask you to delve into something as "complex" as satire. Simply don't post again.
Veggie didn't use his armor because tournament regulations.
Im with you about it was his better costume, though is the same shit without the chest protection, and i find weird why i consider it the best, unironically not homo.
I hope your whole family dies in the real life
Here is your final (You), anon. May it mend your fragile ego and hopefully lead you to a place of higher intellectual capacity. At this current point in time you are woefully lacking in that particular department.
Oh is Trunks angry?
>implying you'll hit me with that extra bulk
>retard finally rage quit
Go for you anon.
>ultimate gohan coming off training with the kais going 1 to 1 with super buu, an extremely skilled fighter without any problem and getting beaten by a technicality is not fighting ability
early on sure, i agree with you, but after unlocking his ultimate ability he just stopped training and became a bookworm
so much potential for a good character wasted
There have been some bad art moments yeah, but nothing of that calibre, aside from maybe the Resurrection F arc. The animation for the most has been pretty alright, but there are also a few moments that don't look good.
If anyone has the Botamo being punched or Super Shenron webms, I don't have them
It's not quite 'great' yet, but it's improving
seriously?I am dying for free already whatever
I'll leave you with this last piece of advice kid
YOU ARE GAY IF YOU SAY LE EVEN IF YOU ARE """""PRETENDING""""""
continue getting your dosage of interaction by shitposting with autism buddies
>so much potential for a good character wasted
I think he could've made for a good protagonist in Goku's stead, but otherwise he isn't terribly interesting. Besides, chilling out and turning into a scholar is in line with his character. I wouldn't mind Goku and Vegeta getting sidelined in favor of Gohan for an arc or two, but I'd rather see Piccolo in a more active role than Gohan at this point.
Who is producing this shit?
I thought you were implying that it was worth skipping kai just because of that one episode
sorry I'm used to arguing with unironic nostalgiafags
In Xenoverse 2, it's one of Hit's lines when you select him
Yeah, I don't understand the point in it at all. Trunks gets his ass kicked and we're supposed to believe he'll be fine holding Black and Zamasu off?
decent to good
not even animation, just fucking tweening. horrid.
lazy effect, lazy punches with no impact
god awful. filler scene that is repeated twice.
starts strong but finishes weak as fuck
I just hope that the subpar art and animation in the filler stuff means that Dragon Room is making them get their shit together for the Universal Survival arc.
I don't think he's hating but trunks already has F.Trunks and Gotenks and kid shenanigans in broly and fusion reborn
goten needs some time with his dad or at least something to call his own other than chi bitching at him
>Anybody who says that webm related is BAD is fucking memeing.
Moments like this are great, I just wish it was more consistent
It's a shame even during higher budget episodes they can't animate the same sense of power and detail from certain scenes. They came pretty close this time but not close enough.
I'm surprised they will spend the budget on shitty filler episodes rather than make less episodes but higher quality.
>people watch this shit
Did the canceled 1080p remaster ever get it's first season encoded after it canceled? I tried finding before but I couldn't find anything with seeds.
Only the final flash in Z has ever come close to the sense of scale and power of the saiyan saga clash.
The cell vs gohan beam struggle always looked ridiculously stupid to me animated.
can someone tell me if the Kai Blu rays are worth the quality upgrade over the DVDs?
it would cost ~$200 for me to replace it all and with an old ass show like dbz I just don't think the quality upgrade will be that significant to warrant such an investment
why you gotta be racist
just because he is a saiyan doesn't mean all he does is FIGHT FIGHT MUH PRIDE MUH CHALLENGES
he could have a date or learn techniques from everybody,he could have new adventures
Jesus, fuck, it's hideous. I'm glad I never bothered with the Resurrection of F arc. I feel sorry for dubfags.
GT fucked a lot of things up. The only canonical appearance of Pan in EoZ had her flying around the whole world at age 4.
I thought I was the only one who remembered that.
Vegeta likes wearing his saiyan armor just like Goku likes wearing his weighted gi even though neither item provides them benefit at this point
Funimation should seriously just air the movies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y4vvnVVT3U
Even Tori admitted that Goku wasn't really a good father, let alone an actual heroic person. He pretty much admitted that Goku is actually kind of a dick, but he's charismatic to get away with it.
>Watching an abridged series and knowing what it is
You people are pathetic. Why don't you start watching Let's Play, too, you faggot.
honestly the movie wasn't much better with the fucking retarded CG scenes
at least battle of gods kept it to backgrounds and one small moment instead of half the fight looking like goddamn claymation
>you should ask yamcha that
every damn time
>Watch Dragon Ball Kai again, F. Trunks comes along
>Remember how awesome I thought his Burning Attack was as a kid
>See it again in Kai, Future Trunks performs those rapid arm movements
>Not only do I realize how senseless it is, but it's lame and cringey when I see it
Am I growing up?
Digital vs Cel, but Super is some of the worst Flash garbage I've ever seen produced.
pic related is the pinnacle and the end of cel
>tfw super is a never ending uchiyama episode
That was one of the noticeable things that really didn't age well in Dragon Ball. That and the fashion and hair styles. Burning attack also reminds me of the ATLAS live action film, where the bender perform those ridiculous movements, then the bending happens, instead of in the cartoon where the bending is the extension and immediate result of the bender's body movements.
>Looks like trash
The shiny shit is not digital. Its Yamamuro's fucking godawful character designs.
That Buu there is especially awful, look at that tiny head and poorly proportioned body.
I-If I pause it here, I can pretend he's wearing his RoF outfit..
>entire Cell arc is based around the redemption of Vegeta, who overcomes his pride in the final seconds of the battle in order to sacrifice himself to distract Cell, allowing Gohan to kill him
Nah, that's GT. Super's all over the place, but GT is constant Uchiyama garbage. It looks like a hentai half the time.
It happened, and try as you might you can't change that.
Zamasu did well in that body. Better than Ginyu or the real Goku. Too bad he succumbed just the same. Cell did a fine job working the kinks out early. Buu showed the greatest wisdom in not opening himself up with a foolish act such as absorbing Goku. Vegeta would make a fool of him.
>cutting away from the actual impacts so you never see them happen
>reactions from the impacts are just still frames, not actually animated
what the fuck is happening over at toei? even an amateur should understand basic action choreography principles
I hate this fucking shit