Reminder that this is the best anime in the last years
That's the anime that all anime wanted to be, so satisfying while being so short
Such an honest show, such character development, such an atmosphere
I can't believe this was made in 2014, truly a gem hidden in all the shit
it's pretty much entry level anime hipster core my dude. it's like the aeroplane over the sea of anime my guy.
You don't have to remind me, I already knew that.
>>152261980
Not when this exists
>>152262021
>ITAOTS of anime
But Ping Pong is cool and not dorky.
>>152262021
Except Ping Pong is actually good.
>>152262050
Truly the superior ping pong anime
How will Ping Pong the animation fags ever recover?
>>152262021
>it's like the aeroplane over the sea of anime
>>152261980
I'll never forget this show, rewatched it recently and everything about it is so good indeed.
>>152261980
>Such an honest show
>>152262021
>>>/mu/
>>152261980
I don't want to be a contrarian faggot and shit on this anime which I liked, but Ping Pong and OPM are some of the most overrated shows on /a/ period.
Sure it may be one of the best in the last few years but unless you've been in a coma you'd know the last few years don't really have the best anime to offer in the first place.
>>152263144
Ping Pong is great in any era, and the whole "the current decade is always the worst ever" mentality is retarded, anyway. There've been tons of good anime, both TV and movies, in the last five years or so.
>>152263144
Ping pong kinda deserves the recognition and excessive praise, it is a genuinely moving and fulfilling story that was truly a wonderful experience for many and will definitely be remembered fondly for many years to come. One joke man however, you are wrong in believing that the anime was overrated. A good majority of viewers on /a/ at the time knew how mediocre it was and how it simply would not be remembered as anything truly inspiring nor unique, but I will acknowledge that it is excessively praised by normalfags and those who only started watching animu in 2015, but who cares about their shit taste anyway.
>>152263393
I'm not talking about the decade, just the last few years since 2014. 2013 had Yahari, Non Non, 2012 had a bunch of great shows like Jinrui, Tari Tari, Psycho Pass etc.
>>152263842
I was ecstatic around the Christmas episode of Ping Pong but in the end it was just a good sports anime with very stylized art. A lot of people confused the fact that it's good and looks different with it being a phenomenal masterpiece, which I simply cannot see.
>>152264082
>Yahari
>Tari Tari
>Psycho Pass
>even half as good as Ping Pong
What the actual fuck?
>>152261980
Actually the only show I've given a rewatch. (Okay, that and Teekyu)
Crying shame it has come to be associated with redditors and MALfags somehow.
Try listening to this without thingken offriendship. Protip:you can't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td0CWirDsX4
>>152266483
I loved it but the soundtrack was definitely one of the best parts about it
>yfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybGF4PmaRo
Easily Yuasa's weakest production both in terms of animation and story.
Best OST of the past 5 years at the very least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTiOhl6gRtg
>>152266643
Animation? Sure.
Story? Only TTG is arguably on the same level.
>>152266691
Tatami Galaxy and Ping Pong are his worst in terms of story.
>>152266643
I don't know, I enjoyed it more than Tatami personally. I'm watching Kaiba soon though so I'll see if I like that more
>>152266712
Is it opposite day?
>>152266737
Kemonzume is the best, then Kaiba, then Mind Game, then TTG, then Ping Pong.
>>152264781
Yes they are about as good, just from different genre and good in different ways. Of course I can't really convince anyone on a subjective matter but if you think Ping Pong is twice as good as these shows that's just plain overrating it.
Even from the same director I liked Tatami much more overall and Kaiba was way more innovative and unique. Not to say Ping Pong is bad or anything.
>>152266760
So literally opposite day.
>>152266760
>Being this much of a contrarian
wew
>>152264082
>people like this unironically exist
>>152266886
If you have no argument, you don't have to post a retarded green text. Don't worry, I fully share your opinion on other people's taste in /a/ and I'm sure yours is shit without you trying to join in.
>>152261980
If you don't cry at the hero scenes you don't deserve to have fun
Honestly it probably is which isn't a bad thing but just shows how fucking amazing this show was.
I wish I could relive watching Ping Pong for the first time again.
>>152262021
>entry level anime
What's not entry level - your full degenerate moeshit?
>>152266691
Kemonozume was great.
>>152261980
The last good show, in my opinion. Certainly one of the best at its length ever made.
>>152261980
Threads like these is why discussing this fucking show became impossible. Fuck you, you pretentious nigger.
Putting aside visuals, which I barely got used to, I genuinely felt the plot was believable, well-delivered and relatable, which is a rarity for anime.
>>152261980
Son that's not Sora no Woto or Non Non Biyori
>>152269856
Nothing he said is untrue, albeit somewhat hyperbolic
>>152261980
Mob Psycho 100 exists.
>>152261980
tatami galaxy is better
>>152274473
kek
ping pong is all that tatami wished to be
>>152269575
Kemonozume's plot fucked itself over the moment Ooba was reavealed as the villain.
After that it stopped trying to make sense or offering satisfying conclusions and it was just one over the top nonsensical surreal scene after the other.
>>152261980
Let's not blow things out of proportions.
Ping Pong was really good, but not even in the top 5 of the best anime of the decade. And this just talking about TV anime, if films and OVAs were included it wouldn't even be in the top10.
>>152261980
What made me dislike it is that it implies that you only will be great at something if you have talent, and hardwork isnt important at all. The protagonist (the annoying manlet) won everything because "talent", didnt make sense at all. The first episodes are kinda good, but overall it was dissapointing, also he fact that it was aimed at 12 years old, I would rate the series a 5/10,
>>152268814
entry level fags usually drop this instantly after seeing the animation
>>152275215
Are you a teen? I see a lot of underage animes there
Insane penhold drive by a little girl. Look at how happy she is with her ping pong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPThAWFaHc
>>152263842
Lol the story is shit, only a teen would think it was deep at all
>>152264781
Psycho pass season 1 is better in everyaspect than Ping pong tho, season 2 is was worse tho
>made by same studio as nge
Explains why all hipsters are attracted to it like flies to shit
>>152275933
>animes
No, but you apparently are.
>>152264082
>like Jinrui, Tari Tari, Psycho Pass etc.
>Doesn't even mention the best anime of 2012 and also the best of its decade.
Opinion discarded, Shinsekai Yori was better than PP in pretty much every aspect.
>>152275215
>Penguindrum
>>152276438
>shitsekai yaoi
>good
>>152276438
PP was trash but SSY wasn't any better. Interesting story ruined by awful direction, art, CG and animation. At least the OST and ED were GOAT I guess.
>>152275886
What it implies is true, also have you missed the Peco vs Kazama match?
Also
>implying it had 1 protagonist
>>152276571
>smelly weebs can't take 3-second scene in 25 episodes show
>>152276571
Yes, it's the best anime of the decade and no amount of overused jokes will change that.
>>152276586
I'm sorry but you're wrong here. Shinsekai Yori is simply better as a dystopian story than Psycho pass will ever be, it had some missteps along the way, like those episodes with awful direction, but in the end of the day hits all the spots that matter in this type of work, like are world building, story, setting, atmosphere, ambiguity for example.
Why do you think we still have daily threads about Shinsekai Yori while PP was completely forgotten despite having more recent material?It's simple, Psycho pass lacks depth, it's a poor man's Minority report that has nothing to offer beyond a superficial level, as opposed to SSY, one of the most unique and interesting shows of recent years. Go on, try to name a work similar to Shinsekai Yori, being in western or japanese media. You simply can't.
>>152275215
God awful taste.
>>152276687
Not true at all, talent doesn't exist. You can't defeat the best in the world only training one week.
>>152277063
>talent doesn't exist
So why is Micheal Phelps dominating the swimming scene?
>>152262050
holy shit anon what is wrong with your font rendering?
>>152277063
>talent doesn't exist.
I don't know if this is bait or a joke
>>152276898
I said that SSY's writing is good. But that's irrelevant when every episode except the first 4 and the ones directed by Yamauchi look like shit.
It's not a case that Japan ignored this adaption, they can read the undoubtedly superior original novel.
Ping Pong animation is amazing for its movement, focus on whats important and facial expressions.
The Ost is amazing, worth listening on its own.
Its a show that doesnt rely on tropes and has universal appeal since all the themes are very relatable. You wouldnt feel ashamed watching it with friends or family, it has that HBO quality to it.
>>152277116
He's part fish
takkyuu musume >>> pingu pongu
>>152277116
michael phelps is aquaman so your argument is irrelevent
>>152277162
>not watching anime where cute grils do lewd things with your family and friends
>>152277116
Michael Phelps trained 6 hours every day since he was a kid. He didn't become the best after training a couple of weeks. Also like most other best athletes they have the "best" body you can have for their respective sport. Also he's double-jointedness. Unless you think talent is how good your bodytype is for a respective sport, if thats your definition of talent then i agree. But in "Ping Pong the animation" the protagonist has a way worse body for ping pong than the antagonist, is doesnt make any sense.
>>152277148
It doesnt exist. The best of the world (Jordan, messi, michael phelps, usain bolt) trained a lot. What Ping Pong The Animation is saying that any random kid can train a couple of weeks and defeat Messi, for example. Nonsense.
I don't know why asians (and weebs obviously) believe so much in talent. I've seen in a lot of animes.
>>152277162
>Its a show that doesnt rely on tropes and has universal appeal since all the themes are very relatable.
>mfw you literally don't see the direct contradiction in this statement
Ping pong must be one of the most overrated animes out there
>>152277380
I think most people understand that tropes in jap anime context mean stuff like pantsu shots, beer drinking noices, "kyaa" followed by a pan to the sky etc.
>>152277454
Those tropes only exist in kids anime.
>>152277159
>But that's irrelevant when every episode except the first 4 and the ones directed by Yamauchi look like shit.
How so? The vast majority of the anime looks fine, only exception are 3 or 4 episodes that are awfully directed. Also, you don't turn a masterpiece into trash just by having some problems and misplaced elements, just as it's impossible for mediocre garbage to become a masterpiece despite how flawlessly executed it is.
>>152277433
Overrated as in too many people like it?
Or as in you dont like it so other people shouldnt like it?
Or "im female and I dont understand why men like it"?
Yea pretty much. I wouldn't call it a hidden gem though, isnt well known as one of the best recent entries?
>>152277378
Are you implying other national athletes that are competing with Phelps, Bolt and Messi aren't also training that hard? Because you are wrong.
>What Ping Pong The Animation is saying that any random kid can train a couple of weeks and defeat Messi, for example
No, have you missed the part Smile trained as hard as Kazama and Peco trained at suicide rates to catch up?
>>152277564
It is an average sports anime. The only thing that sets it apart others is the animation. But if you don't care about animation at all, then there is no reason to watch it
>>152277378
But talent does exist, it's just that what separates the best from everyone else is that the best are talented AND train everyday. If training everyday makes someone the best why aren't there a shit ton of people at the top all equal with each other?
>>152277481
All anime is kids anime. Especially your favorite
I swear to god every fucking thread it's the same talent vs training debate.
>>152277509
>Shinsekai Yori
>masterpiece
>>152277637
You proably watch Haikyu and other gay fufillment shows and unironically think their good and have anything to do with actual sports. They dont by the way.
>>152277708
It has some unique aspects in it that arent really explored by other animes.
It appeals to a specific audience and if you're not that audience or you have issue with gay stuff ok.
The only negative would be the poor cg use on some parts.
>>152277378
>trained a lot.
And you think the people below them didn't trained just as hard?You do know that there's people who train their entire lives and don't manage to even come close to the shadow of these guys you mentioned, right? You do know that's pretty much proven some people are more apt to certain areas compared to others? Or that things like genetics are not a meme? Are you so delusional that you think things like reflexes, coordenation, body, IQ, perception and memory are irrelevant when it comes to competition?
>>152277763
Tbh ping pong the animu is more about the psychological aspect and less about the sport
>>152277509
A masterful novel doesn't automatically translate in a great movie - quite the opposite actually. Just to name someone that knew his stuff, Hitchcock always avoided adapting masterpieces of literature in favor of irrelevant pulp novels because he knew the mediums had different strengths, and above all for cinema what matters is the visual execution.
Going back to SSY, all the good writing in the world can't save something so incompently directed, where virtually every action scene feels botched and disjointed, where basically 80% of the runtime consists in close up of faces (that the lack of shading make look even worse) because they didn't have time/money to draw and animate full body scenes, where the coloring in every scene that doesn't take place in the dark is vomit inducing, where the CG is an insult to life itself (cit).
SSY fundamentally fails as an anime, there's no way around it.
>both the anime and the live-action are available outside of Japan
>still no manga release
Cum on step it up Viz
>>152275886
>>152277063
>>152275886
>>152277063
>>152277116
>>152277683
>>152277646
>>152277378
>>152277623
Lol, Peco trained nothing compared to the best in the world and he still won. Nonsense.
The anime talks about talent like it's something supernatural. It implies that you will always be good better at an sport even if you dont train as hard, or at all. If messi never played football and then you make him play a random footballer, the anime implies that he would still win ,even if he never played, because of his "talent". Nonsense.
In sports the only definition of "talent" i think is true, is having the best body for a especific sport. Messi for example has the best body for football, but he's the best not only because of his body, but because he trains a lot. In "Ping Pong The Animation" Kazama has the best body for ping pong, and is who trains the most. In real life he would have won easily. The anime then makes Peco win because of "muh talent lol", one of the most retarded anime i've ever watched
>>152277823
ping pong tries to be the evangelion of sport anime, but it fails miserably
>>152278002
>basically 80% of the runtime consists in close up of faces
Wait, didn't you say the Yamauchi episodes were good?
>>152277783
I just watched 8 episodes of Shinsekai Yori and didn't like it. Everything felt pretty forced and unrealistic, (how did Satoru know the gas was combustible?) and I found myself having all my predictions come true in those first couple of episodes. I didn't really attach to the characters in anyway either.
Maybe I just don't like dramas, or perhaps this drama was trying to hard to be dramatic.
>>152278073
>Lol, Peco trained nothing compared to the best in the world and he still won
I don't think you get how hard peco was training towards the end, he was sleeping in the dojo for fucks sake
>In "Ping Pong The Animation" Kazama has the best body for ping pong, and is who trains the most
No, Kong is the one with the most training. He was a Chinese olympian before the show took place. Yet he looses to Kazama pretty early in the show.
>>152278163
>Evangelion of <X>
— people that trying to be the evangelion of shiposting, but fail miserably
>>152278279
I generally dont care about "predictions" since Im watching the show for the journey.
I liked the characters and I wanted to see what they were going to do next in an interesting world setting.
>>152277823
I mean, the psychological aspects of sports is huge and most pros will tell you its the most important part. Once you are playing with the best, everyone is talented and worked hard, it comes down to will and mindset. It sounds cliché but theres a reason cliches are cliches, because theres truth in them. Thats why I loved Ping Pong so much because it wasn't just a story with sports as the setting. It really touched on what it means to compete at a high level, not just your varisty high school team. But to actually try and be the best at something.
>>152278312
>I don't think you get how hard peco was training towards the end, he was sleeping in the dojo for fucks sake
Yeah, he trained hard for a couple of weeks and he's suddendly above the best in the world. Fuck off.
>>152278163
>but it fails miserably
Maybe because it never tries to do that?
>>152278469
>Yeah, he trained hard for a couple of weeks and he's suddendly above the best in the world.
More like months, they are sophomores at the end of the show, also you seem to keep forgetting peco is not a beginner at all.
>Fuck off.
No u
peco can't even beat these cute girls >>152262050
>>152278411
I think watching for the journey works better for episodic anime (Champloo, Bebop, Katanagatari) but hey I'm not you.
The direction was pretty clunky though.
>>152277454
Those are gag and fanservice tropes, not anime ones like, say, muh talent vs muh hard work
>>152278411
>SSY
>I liked the characters
You mean the one-dimensional nobodies who are barely relevant to what's going on and have their memories wiped every five episodes?
What did they mean by this?
>>152278896
nigga had a cold
>>152278223
Yamauchi makes that style work, it's his trademark, it has on point art, coloring, camera angles, and storyboarding that takes advantage from it. He also directed episodes perfect for his style like the karma demon one.
The rest of the show is nothing like that, those close ups are just lazy, flat and ugly.
>>152277683
It's sad because that's not even what makes the story any good.
>>152278874
Better than moe anime where no one is relevant and plot points last max half an episode.
>>152261980
It was a great watch, loved the characters, the directing and the experimental animation style
Probably my favourite sports anime
>>152277063
This is what shounentards actually think
>>152266760
Kaiba falls off the wagon completely by the end.
The first six episodes are a masterpiece and then it shits the bed.
>>152278002
You're yet again blowing things out of proportion to help your case, it was only badly directed in a few selected episodes. That's pretty much the consensus
>where virtually every action scene feels
Even if that was true, which is not, complaining about action scenes in a anime where action isn't the focus at all and is mostly used for context sake is really telling. Do you think NGE will be trash if the action scenes were bad?
>SSY fundamentally fails as an anime
Nope. The most important thing in a story is, well, the story. No amount of amazing animation and sick direction can save a mediocre story. Take Hellsing Ultimate as an example, It's pretty, has style, has great direction and animation in some episodes, but the story and everything about it is ultimately shallow and mediocre, it's the type of work that you may have some mindless fun watching but it's certain that you will soon forget about it, because the story, which is the central aspect of every story driven work, failed to stimulate you beyond a superficial level. While Shinsekai Yori, despite not having the best animation in the world or not being flawless executed, manages to be memorable and interesting due to being good in the areas that matter the most.
>But the source material is better
It may be, but that doesn't matter. A good story is a good story in any medium and we read books, watch movies, series or anime for basically one similar purpose, to see stories unfolding in different ways. You can argue that Kaiji doesn't benefit much from having an anime for example, but that doesn't change the fact that its anime was good, simply because the source material was good.
I could maybe agree with your argument if the SSY adaptation was atrocious, but that isn't the case unless you blow things out of proportion. The adaptation was fine, it had some beautiful backgrounds and tracks and the animation although not amazing, did its job for most of the time.
>>152279056
But not better than the other 70% of seasonal anime unfortunately
>>152277378
It does exist, or at least an equivalent of the same concept exists under a different name. Only it isn't pseudo magical, which is why in discussions it's usually dismissed.
>>152279056
Why do newfags keep saying this when it just outs you as a retard? Like someone provides a genuine critique and the only response in your /v/tard mind is "b-but moeshit". It only confirms that you cant even put into words why you like an anime other than "its not moeshit". At least moe shows are upfront about what they are, and nobody goes around calling every single one a "masterpiece". Id rather watch moeshit and know what im getting than slog through terribly wrritten attmepts at story like most seasonal shit.
>>152278874
The characters in SSY are mostly used to give context to the world and to retain the atmosphere. There's also nothing inherently wrong with them, most of them behave like real human beings would if they were in similar situations and I think that's what annoys people. Characters aren't tsundere, yandere, shitdere and don't behave in exaggerated, satirical ways like most anime characters, which is good because it would ruin the atmosphere and feeling of the show, but it's expected that the garbage eaters that are anime fans wouldn't like that.
>>152279353
It's sad that I share a board with retards like this
>>152278954
>for his style like the karma demon one.
I watched the show 4 years ago, so I don't remember the episodes by name, but the Karma demon one isn't that episode where nothing makes sense?
>>152264082
>I'm not talking about the decade, just the last few years since 2014. 2013 had Yahari, Non Non, 2012 had a bunch of great shows like Jinrui, Tari Tari, Psycho Pass etc.
Your opinions are literally not worth voicing, please never post again.
>>152280122
Hes baiting. The only way to win is to not reply
>>152279591
This. I liked Shinsekai Yori myself, but responding to any and all criticism with a non sequitur "MOE SUCKS" is just retarded.
>>152278896
>2010
Tatami Galaxy
>2011
Madoka
>2012
Shinsekai Yori
>2013
Nagi no Asukara and Log Horizon
>2014
Ping Pong
>>152280173
The point of "its better than moe anime" relates to the minimum standards for characters and plot in the industry. People seem to be ok with shows where characters are tropes and plot is nonexistant.
Needless to say SSY suprassed those standards.
>muh blood tastes like iron
>muh you can be a hero
>muh I didn't finish first so i'm gonna jump off a cliff
>muh everyone has problems and solves them through ping pong
I can't tell which show is more pretentious. Yaoi on Ice or Piss Pong.
>>152280400
>2015
Ore ga Ojou-sama Gakkou ni "Shomin Sample" Toshite Gets-sareta Ken
>>152279321
>Even if that was true, which is not, complaining about action scenes in a anime where action isn't the focus at all and is mostly used for context sake is really telling.
Let's not pretend SSY is some sort of chamber piece, there were many instances of people just stting and talking but just as much action, including several battles involving large armies (that looked horrendous, of course) and a final arc that was almost entirely action/thriller.
>Or you think NGE will be trash if the action scenes were bad?
Considering the first half of Eva is fundamentally a straight action packed super robot show, and that EoE prides itself of having the best mecha action ever put on cel, it would be a big fucking deal if it wasn't there, yes. But animation aside NGE has mindblowing direction all around so it's not really the case bringing it up to talk about SSY.
>blabla story
I know that it's cliché, but if you're only interested in the story read a book. The SSY book in this case. A good story is nothing without a proper execution, especially if it was born for another medium.
But on top of that you seem to believe that SSY didn't look absolutely terrible, ssoo I guess we'll never agree.
>>152275215
This list fucking sucks. I'm not even sure there have been 10 good anime this decade, film included, but Ping Pong definitely ranks.
>>152280447
That's dumb as fuck for two reasons. First, you're assuming that the person you're talking to enjoys CGDCT (or harems, or whatever your definition of the "moeshit" buzzword is), which they haven't indicated at all. Second, you're assuming that the standards are the same for everything regardless of genre, but they're obviously not. Again, I personally like SSY, but just because someone enjoys an SoL-comedy or whatever without a plot doesn't mean they can't criticize a show's plot for being bad.
>>152280400
>Tatami
Yes.
>Madoka
Definitely not. Penguindrum, Kaiji S2, S;G, Hyouge Mono, cheeseloli, whichever season of Natsume that was, and Usagi Drop were all better.
>Shinsekai Yori
I'd give it to Jintai, but a fine choice.
>NnA and Log Horizon
Uchouten Kazoku and Monogatari SS.
>Ping Pong
Yes.
>>152280566
> I'm not even sure there have been 10 good anime this decade, film included
Please leave.
>>152280059
It's this one.
Dropped after 2 episodes. It's so fucking ugly.
>>152262021
Entry level means is easy to get into.I haven't seen so many faggots drop a show since Ninja Slayer aired.
>>152261980
Ping pong just may be too hard for people to accept because its lesson is simple and clear.
Talent>Training
Since this idea doesn't fit many anons narrative of ideals. The infrastructure many people to this day used to judge this show doesn't hold up their expectations because those expectations were doomed to fail from the start.
If a person was born with a well set body, talent, and trained day in and out from a very young age would develop skills and ability much faster than people who started years after. The original person blessed with talent could of course take a small break and continue to resume at their normal output of effort. Some just can't accept this because it could mean that they many see themselves as a failure regardless of how hard they may try and only skills, body, and talent exceed. Leading to them wanting to die.Unfortunately this is the moral of life.
Others just don't like it because of the art and animation. That's fine though because art is relative to the person interpreting it . Finally others just had another choiceWhich was probably trash.
The talent vs effort debate it's uninteresting, I have no idea why you guys lose your sleep over it.
It's understandable how it's the focus of many Japanese works, competitive society and all that jazz, but in the "no one left behind" west? Who cares, are you all international level athletes or something?
>>152276898
Here's how Shinsekai Yori is not a great anime.
It had great settings, interesting plot and characters. But guess where that comes from? From the source material.
If I took a well regarded fiction and adapt it to anime, regardless of how shitty my adaptation is the story can still be claimed to be good, which is pretty much the case here. You can't rate an adaptation the same way you rate an original. IF anything people should be more disappointed that such a good original was ruined.
Now if you are gonna defend the animation that's just again like the retards overrating Ping Pong like their lives depend on it. The only way you can do it for Shinsekai is if you overlook all the episodes with shitty direction and pretty much unwatchable animation quality.
Psycho Pass S1 was a much more well rounded show and it's an original anime. That's why it's simply better.
>>152280122
Fuck off.
>>152281577
>Fuck off.
No, you. Yahari is a complete mediocrity. The idea that it's one of the two best of 2013, let alone outclasses everything from the following years, is a fucking joke.
>>152280559
>I know that it's cliché, but if you're only interested in the story read a book.
Never said I was only interested in the story, I said that story is always the most important aspect for the vast majority of people and that it is an aspect where SSY excels.
>A good story is nothing without a proper execution
Except SSY had good voice acting, good music and an atmosphere that matches the story and feeling of the show, which is all thanks to the adaptation.
>didn't look absolutely terrible
It didn't, you're just blowing it out of proportion. It was certainly not the best looking thing in existence but it also wasn't that different from other A-1 shows.
>>152281577
Let's not pretend Psycho Pass looked particularly interesting and wasn't filled with QUALITY from top to bottom, other than having shit writing.
SSY and PP are just two different breeds of shit.
>>152262050
This. You can stop pretending Meme Pong is not total shit now that we have an actual decent ping pong anime.
>>152281786
>It didn't, you're just blowing it out of proportion.
Some scenes are just impossible to make look good with tv budgets. Giant crowds and battles being one of them.
>>152281718
Wow so impressive to shit on a random popular show with a one liner. How about you grow some balls and name your shows and see how they hold up to such a mediocre show like Yahari?
>>152281994
Not him but it IS a bit of a joke to assert that Yahari is one of the best recent shows, let alone even good. It's cool of you like it a lot or whatever, but surely you can see that it lacks the qualities that truly good shows have, y'know?
>>152281994
Chihayafuru, Uchouten Kazoku, Monogatari SS, Majestic Prince, Gatchaman Crowds, White Album 2, Kaguya-hime, Wind Rises, Space Dandy, Mushishi S2, Shirobako, Garo, Tamako Love Story, Fafner Exodus, Houkago no Pleiades, OPM, Miss Hokusai, Rakugo, Konosuba, Mob Psycho 100, etc., etc., etc.
>>152282276
An awful lot of those are fairly bad, at least Yahari level of bad.
>>152281577
I'll not repeat myself, if you want to see my opinion about this just see >>152279321. Doesn't matter if Shinsekai Yori comes from a good source material, its base is simple better than PP's and for that reason it would be better than PP in any sort of medium.
Your point would only be true if the SSY adaptation was atrocious to such an extent that the strongest/main points of the source material were lost or butchered in the process, which isn't true because SSY anime still manages to retain the amazing world building, interesting setting, good plot and haunting atmosphere that the story has.
Also, it's not like PP is some fine work in terms of animation and direction, it also has many missteps. Difference is that SSY core aspects are good and in PP they are not.
>>152282276
A lot of shit worse than Yahari there.
>>152282336
> Also, it's not like PP is some fine work in terms of animation and direction, it also has many missteps
>>152282333
>>152282425
Wow so impressive to shit on random shows with one liners. How about you grow some balls and name which they are?
>>152282617
Good: Kaguya-hime, Wind Rises, Space Dandy, Mushishi, Miss Hokusai.
Rest is no better than Yahari. Your opinions are as much a joke as that guy's.
>>152280694
>Penguindrum
The only thing that this shit has is style, I don't know why it's so popular on /a/.
>Kaiji S2
Kaiji S1 is one of my favorite anime of all time, but S2 is so disappointing compared to the first that I just can't help but say that Madoka was better.
>SG
Same level as Madoka imo
>Monogatari SS.
Not really a fan of Monogatari. I think that's easily one of the most overrated series on /a/
>>152282748
I think your taste is complete shit, but whatever, I'm more interested in the retard talking up Yahari.
>>152282897
Says the guy talking up fucking Konosuba. I can rest easy knowing that any problems you may have with my "taste" are a reflection of your own inability to discern good from bad.
>>152282748
Space Dandy isn't good by any means. It has budget and bunch of talented people involved but it really shows that Watanabe lost something long time ago. It's just isn't working, making a lifeless parody of his previous work. But yeah, it's not zankyou no terror level of bad.
>>152262021
>the aeroplane over the sea of anime
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
>>152282897
>>152282276
Again a common theme is people overrating decent to good shows massively when they somehow think it's less catering to the mainstream. Also your list contains movies which are obviously not even remotely comparable to TV anime.
Let's see, Houkago no Pleiades is a SoL/mahou shoujo show that not many people have watched. That's it. There's literally nothing good to speak of the show other than maybe the girls are cute.
The best thing that can be said about KonoSuba is that it was a funny and decent show in an extremely shitty season. Even on comedy value it's just about as funny as Yahari S1.
Monogatari SS is simply a worse adaptation than Yahari. Of course you may like one source material more than the other but a lot of SS was really rushed while Yahari S1 was carefully directed and casted. As a result it matched the good aspects of the original pretty well.
But again I'm not even saying Yahari better than Ping Pong but your list is fucking bullshit.
>>152283285
Space Dandy is a celebration of auteurship in anime, with an assembly of many of the best in the industry, both young and old, given a staggering amount of freedom to create what they like out of material built from the ground up to allow for this kind of flexibility. Even the weakest episodes had, at the bare minimum, some interesting ideas and rock solid production. I don't care whether or not you like the boobies jokes - I certainly wouldn't hold it against you - but it's the best thing of its kind since FLCL and it deserves recognition for what it did.
>>152262021
>>152283401
What is death grips of anime?
>>152283632
Tesagure or Utena
>>152283285
>zankyou no terror level of bad.
Im kinda annoyed by how shit the ep2 ended up being when the show has such an amazing ost.
>>152283627
I agree that it's a great showcase for many animators but no way it's good and coherent work that stands on it's own. FLCL, on other hand, while involved fuckton of madness of different kinds, had rock-solid direction and execution with perfect flow, making self-sufficient and complete piece.
>>152283933
Of course I'm not saying it's on FLCL's level, that'd be absurd - but I think it's likewise crazy to deny that it's even good. You'd have a hard time convincing me of this so-called incoherence.
>>152284069
Uh, whatever
I just saying, it's not even close to what Watanabe was capable as a director in Bebop times
>>152284189
It's not really a Watanabe show in that way though, right? From what I understand his role as the director would have involved gathering the talent and providing a platform for them to work with. I don't think anyone could say that he messed that up, it's the best staff list I've seen in years and Dandy was conceptualized from the ground up to support that.
>>152284403
Most people think of it as a Shingo Natsume show in terms of being "actual" director.
>>152280447
Do you even watch anime or are you just trying to cause shit?
>>152284491
Not sure it's really a show to think of in that way at all, but it's possible that that's true. I don't really know their roles, I'm just repeating what I've heard. Is there writing on its production? I'd love interviews and shit.
>>152284403
>gathering the talent and providing a platform for them to work with
... is a producer role.
His role is to fucking direct and use that talent to achieve maximum impact. And sorry, he messed this up
>>152261980
Ping Pong in general is a great sport for animation. I liked both PP and PPG.
>>152284813
True, probably a major reason why it stands so tall compared to all other sports anime.
>"no one left behind" west? Who cares
It may stem back to how people were raised with certain moral teachings from their parents which had harder lives but the society as a whole in the west may have softened its difficulties in recent years but there are just areas that refuse to lower their standards just because everyone else has.
Just because there is competition at the top doesn't mean there isn't competition at the medium and bottom level.
>Job competitiveness
>Finding a mate that fits what you like
>Social standing
>Overall survival in relation to security and housing
Those whom succeed at all of these fall into the top percentile which media looks at highly like celebrities. The problem with that was the celebrities would have an overbearing lifestyle to those of average by making them seem larger than life which makes the people feel out of place. Not understanding that its just that persons normal.
Time managed to soften the barriers that isolated many from fields and to apply to people who just couldn't reach those same levels of talent a small trophy for just participating now.
>Art vs Modern art
>Education (GPA needed to pass was lowered for many areas)
>Lowering quality and quantity of food to feed more people
>The peak of human ability
People may see a negative that this will lead to everything dropping in quality because people will never try their best to push the boundary and regardless of how low people may set the standard people will suffer in some way.
>>152281314
My apologies I meant to reply to you.
>>152284975
>>152284643
I can't speak to all extents but Watanabe absolutely had a role in bringing people in to work on the show. Either way, how'd he mess up "directing" it?
>>152285071
I have pointed it out already - he made just a showcase of others work, not a good story that uses means of animation to convey something. It serves no purpose outside of being bombastic visual journey. And i really think it's a fucking crime - to have a luxury to work with professionals of such grade (that wanted to work with him because of his prevous shit, to start with), to have a record of creating unique show in the past and still fuck up this hard. He could have created a timeless masterpiece which would inspire many of these who want to become an animator, show them that their work is part of something more than cuts glued together to create amv with a length of a two seasons.
>>152285498
Are we still talking about Watanabe here? Because his works have always been showcases of style and genre pastiche with little to no substance.
>>152285498
I think to insist on a narrative like that is pretty immature. TV shows are structured episodically, and Dandy combines this form with the idiosyncrasies of various animators and directors to create a diverse collection of ideas impossible to produce under other conditions. That is a purpose in and of itself. And you gotta be pants-on-head insane to think that Dandy won't inspire young animators - it's practically an ad for the industry, showing off exactly what makes Japanese animation distinct from the rest of the World. It's easily Watanabe's most unique work too, if you want to consider it "his."
>>152285931
>little to no substance
>Bebop
Nigga please
"See you space cowboy" is engraved in memory of many for a reason
>>152286010
I get what are you try to say, but
>diverse collection of ideas
just isn't enough to make a good work. My point is that he could use that freedom much better and i would insist on that
>That is a purpose in and of itself.
There is animatorexpo for exactly that purpose
>>152286493
Yes, little to no substance. Bebop is just a collection of cliches from noir/gangster/action/scifi movies. It doesn't tell any significant story with meaningful message. Watanabe is all about the style, and always has been.
>>152286630
>Bebop is just a collection of cliches from noir/gangster/action/scifi movies
It's the way he used that cliches
Best scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i93vXUKqnI
>>152286493
Obviously it's more than just a collection of ideas, but you already knew that. And, because the expo exists, nothing else should? If you admit that that's a worthy purpose, how the hell could you deny it here? Besides, the best of Dandy is as good as the best of the expo, and the worst of the expo is far below Dandy's worst. I really don't get where you're coming from. I don't care if you love or hate the show, but I'll be damned if it left someone acknowledging all the cool shit it did but still thinking it's bad.
>>152278896
You do know that is not dragon right?
>>152286715
>best of Dandy is as good as the best of the expo
fuck no
triggers "sex and violence" that they later used for luluko is miles better and is more on point than whole dandy thing
>acknowledging all the cool shit it did but still thinking it's bad
nigga, do i really need to post this one more time? I think that the fucking potential that he had wasn't used even to produce 10% of possible impact with such a team and it's really fucking upset me
What's the fucking point to make a tv series and not just run some kind of short independent shows fitted in one title then?
I DO get what you are saying i just saying it COULD be much better
>>152287340
Oshiyama's, Yuasa's, Choi's, etc. episodes were easily as good as Imaishi or Maeda or whoever's shorts.
>I DO get what you are saying i just saying it COULD be much better
how?
I don't really understand why everyone focuses on Ping Pong's style when it's biggest strength is actually its characters. Nearly every single one has a well-developed arc of some sort.
>>152287475
>Oshiyama's, Yuasa's, Choi's, etc. episodes were easily as good as Imaishi or Maeda or whoever's shorts.
i don't think so
>how?
with creating actually coherent story framework like that in FLCL
I think our conversation is going circles because of our different views about what is better for the industry as a whole
>>152287765
FLCL is nothing like Dandy, why are you bringing it up? It's narratively, thematically and for the most part stylistically extremely compact and Tsurumaki had complete control over it.
>>152287340
That's a load of shit. Oshiyama's fishing episode or any of the other great Dandy eps are easily on par with S&V, Kanon, Nishi-ogikubo or whatever other ones you like. So you're upset because it's not as good is you thought it could have been? Where do you see the other 90% - in a collection of short films? FLCL 2? A TV series has ton of advantages. Not only does it reach a broader audience, but it provides a platform for a diverse group of artists to approach the same material on their own way without being limited by anything. Short film collections show diversity, but we don't see how a single concept can be brought to life in different ways by different people. Narrative works are more constricting. We see the same cast and crew of Dandy brought to life under wildly different situations; setting, tone, themes, artstyle can change at a whim and it's okay because that's how it was designed.
>>152287848
>narratively, thematically and for the most part stylistically extremely compact
it's extremely diverse in every of these aspects
it's, dare i say, Ulysses of anime
>Tsurumaki had complete control over it
so was Watanabe. Animators were not directing it
>>152261980
truly the shit hidden in gems
>>152287982
>So you're upset because it's not as good is you thought it could have been?
yes
>FLCL 2?
i want to believe
>>152288002
>it's extremely diverse in every of these aspects
No it isn't.
Of course you can tell that episode 5 is Imaishi's, but FLCL is Tsurumaki's baby and to say that the themes and narrative change from an episode to the other you must have misunderstand the entire work.
>>152288165
*misunderstood
>>152275215
>Kill la Kill
>>152288205
Yeah that's #1.
>>152288240
>#1
>>152288263
Well it looks like you can greentext and post reaction faces, aren't you a big boy? Maybe in a few years you'll be able to articulate a sentence!
>>152288165
Nigga i just want to finish relife and go to sleep. let's just assume you are wrong and finish that pretty pointless discussion
>>152288353
>aren't you a big boy?
>>152261980
This is a show for people who don't like anime.
There's nothing anime-ish about it.
>>152288368
Do whatever you want, but pretending that FLCL is some sort of antologic series where different personatlities were able to freely express themselves is blatantly wrong and this is the first time I've ever heard someone make this claim.
>>152276008
>Psycho pass season 1 is better in everyaspect than Ping pong
kindly fuckin kill yourself
>>152287554
The team captain going from bothering Peco and Smile to leaving them alone because he has his own problems with graduating was my favorite background character arc.
>>152288459
>This is a show for people who don't like anime.
Yes
It's also a show for people who like anime
>>152288557
It's a show for people that like bragging about watching patrician anime more than like anime themselves.
>>152288606
>It's a show for people that like bragging about watching patrician anime more than like anime themselves.
Yes
It's also a show for people like you
>>152288606
It's a show for people who like good shows
>>152288459
Fuck off moenigger retard
>>152289171
Fuck off hipster scumbag
>>152289171
Fucking fagboy trying to act big, eh?
>>152289171
>muh moefags
>muh manimefags
>muh elitistfags
Good post.getting upset by people liking different things is silly
Reminder that this is the best anime in the last years
That's the anime that all anime wanted to be, so satisfying while being so short
Such an honest show, such character development, such an atmosphere
I can't believe this was made in 2013, truly a gem hidden in all the shit
>>152290028
It looked like shit
>>152290028
Only retarded memers that probably watched Mayoiga didn't drop it after the gorilla.
>>152262021
yo where's this pic from my family?
>>152288459
Even if the show wasn´t hitting my spots, it was really fucking anime. Talent vs hardwork, magic of friendship, the hero ideal, assuming and being wrong then change, coming of age and so on and so on.
>>152292014
It was basically a western cartoon that was made in Japan.
>>152283540
>Pleiades
>literally nothing good to speak of
Fuck you.
>>152283285
>>152284189
>>152284599
Watanabe is credited as "chief director," Natsume is credited as "director." In general, when you have both credits used, the "director" is the actual one in charge, and the "chief director" is more of a hands-off supervisor and/or a famous name being slapped on.
>>152293921
Interviews on the show typically suggest Watanabe had more creative control.
>>152283540
>>152264082
>>152281994
You ever think that maybe people aren't "confused" about how good something is because of anti-mainstream hipsterism, but actually just like different things than you? A bold proposition, I know, but you should give it some consideration.
>>152283540
>Houkago no Pleiades is a SoL/mahou shoujo show that not many people have watched.
>That's it. There's literally nothing good to speak of the show
Get the fuck off /a/ and never return. Pleiades was AOTY.
>>152282276
I'm not fond of ONEshit and Konosuba is just a nice comedy that happened to air in a shitty season, but aside from that it's a solid list.
But since the guys you're arguing with are most likely "elitists" who barely watch 5 shows a season it's not like they can appreciate that.
>>152294699
He's saying that it's a SoL so he probably haven't watched it.
>>152288353
Nobody wants to waste time trying to show you why your taste is shit. Your entitled to whatever list you want, and everyone else is entitled to laugh and make fun of it when you unironically think kill la kill is the best anime in the past 10 years because thats a stupid babby 16 year old opinion and im not trolling. Your entitled to it, but thats what it is.
can someone explain to me the reasoning behind cutting off the finals match between smile and peco? For what purpose did they add in the song of youth and then jump ahead five years without showing how peco won? Clearly it would have worked thematically since it would have provided a climax to the rivalry that had existed in the friendship.
>>152281033
The message is deeper than that. With equal effort, talent overcomes training, but nothing stops those with no talent from training harder. When Smile starts to take off and overcome Peco because Peco starts slacking and takes his talent for granted, it's a wake up call. Talent doesn't carry you on its own. Honest effort still needs to be made.
But then you fail against those with talent who do train as hard as you, and that despair grows just like you say. But there's one final lesson: when you see the player lost at the first tournament and take a trip around the world in his despair, leaving ping pong behind, only to come back to the same tournament a year later and realize that he didn't start playing in order to win, he started playing because he loved the game. It's a little more obvious in Smile and Peco's final match, when they let go of winners and losers and play just for fun.
Ultimately the lesson of ping pong is that talent isn't enough. To succeed requires effort, and above even that, passion and love. The greatest successes in life are composed of all three, but even without talent, working hard at your passion and remembering why you do it is enough to propel you damn far forward.
>>152295635
Because it didn't matter who won. Neither of them were playing to win at that point, so it didn't matter if Smile or Peco won. The narrative climax was each of them rediscovering their love for the game and the reason for their passion.
>>152295794
If that's the case why didn't smile go on to compete in the Olympics with peco? That would have lead him to compete with the best players in the world and realize the maximum potential for enjoying the sport, instead he and Kazama reminisce about their youth and agree that neither of them wants to devote their life and soul to ping pong, yet if they truly loved the sport it wouldn't even be a sacrifice for either of them to do so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDeca52TDZE
I'm a sucker for true friendship in anime. Ping Pong did what Sakamichi no Apollon tried to do but 10 times better.
damn why are there so many essays in here? just want to talk about ping pong
>>152294810
I have watched both the OVAs and the TV series. Like, it's a show originally made to promote cars. How fucking deluded can you possibly be to think it's somehow unarguably AOTY? Sorry but the fact that it's not popular doesn't make it magically good.
>>152295794
>Neither of them were playing to win at that point
Both of them were playing to win. It just didn't matter who wins.
>>152288535
>not the guy who was beaten by Smile who traveled the world
>>152296202
Ping Pong really brings out the most passionate (triggered) of /a/.
>>152296006
There are different kinds of love you can have for something, and just because you don't want to devote 100% of your essence to something doesn't mean you don't love it.
You could argue that Smile and Kazama realized that the amount of effort they'd have to put in to keep up at that level would have been impossible, or at least infeasible without devoting 100% of their time to it, but I have my own interpretation. I don't think Kazama ever loved ping pong itself, moreso just winning, competing, being better. That was the gauge that he used to weigh himself and his worth, and ping pong just happened to be the medium for that due to his background.
Smile is different, though. I think Smile really does love the game, but a different part of it. He was happiest with the game as a kid, when he was learning it. It was something to use to improve himself and make friends, just something fun. While Peco gets a thrill out of high level opponents and pushing the game to its limit, Smile just wants to learn and teach. He loves the game at a basic level and is happy to stay there and share that love with other kids trying to learn. I think that's an equal expression of love, at least as much so as going to the Olympics for it.
>>152296202
so let's talk, respond to my essay nerd
>>152296006
> That would have lead him to compete with the best players in the world and realize the maximum potential for enjoying the sport
Not him, but I think Smile just didn't need that to enjoy it. He's just not into the really intense side of it, he's a relatively lower-gear kind of guy in general. He's not really a competitive person in the same way the others are.
>>152296221
Way to say literally nothing about the series itself. Fuck off.
>>152295729
I can accept this, its much more accurate than my idea.
>>152296428
I'm not the one to say it's AOTY so why should I mention anything about the series (and it's just a mostly okay and mediocre series) when the original poster provided absolute nothing to back up a ridiculous claim? You fuck off.
>>152296530
If you're going to criticize it, use actual points about the show, not about the background and "you only like it because it's not mainstream" bullshit, you cancerous piece of shit. You're no better than studio wars fags.
>>152296202
>damn why are there so many essays in here?
People want to show /a/ that they understood the story and that they are not complete bakas. Anyhow china was best boy.
>>152296665
>tfw china is real
>>152296617
I'll do just that when actual points about the show are brought up. I said there's nothing good to speak of it, so how about you list some of the amazingly good aspects of the show you retard?
>>152295265
Now that's a proper post with all the words in order, the punctuation and everything! And it took you only 3 hours! But you're still a long way from being able to offer any opinion worth anything concerning anime, it seems! Keep trying Jimmy!
>>152296777
Once again proving that
2d > 3d
>>152296221
>Like, it's a show originally made to promote cars.
But that's irrelevant to the show quality.
>How fucking deluded can you possibly be to think it's somehow unarguably AOTY?
I never said that. It wasn't even me that said it was AOTY but the guy I responded to. It's just a great show.
>Sorry but the fact that it's not popular doesn't make it magically good
You saw through me anon, I hate everything that's popular and only watch obscure anime in my basement with my cool cultured and mature friends. I also wear only black clothes with neat and listen to nu-metal on my way to school.
>>152296832
> I'll do just that when actual points about the show are brought up.
Then don't say anything until then, I guess. Don't list off random irrelevant bullshit like it's an argument.
>how about you list some of the amazingly good aspects of the show you retard?
You don't seriously think everyone who responds to you is the same person, do you? I'm not saying anything about the show, I'm only responding to tell you that your arguments are just awful shitposting nonsense.
>>152296330
>>152296428
I'll concede the point of smile's drive/love for ping pong was the sport itself rather than total devotion, I suppose I'd just got caught up in the later developments of his character after butterfly Joe had helped him eliminate much of the softness which caused him to give up the match to Kong.
As for Kazama I don't necessarily agree that he hated ping pong, just the conditions he was forced to play under as the lead player of Kaio. But the love Kazama showed for the game during the semi finals with peco was an exceptionally revealing moment for him as a character which proved that despite the pressure that was being put upon him he still loved the game. Overall I'm satisfied with the last episode of ping pong but I can't help but feel that we could have been shown an equally revealing moment about the protagonists of the story while simultaneously watching the animation of an amazing finals match.
>>152296928
Well I guess thanks so much for meta posting about alleged shitposting when you have nothing to say about the show in argument. Really mature and helpful.
>>152275215
>Kill la Kill
>Space Dandy
>Yurikuma
So what's the best movie ever made? Transformers?
>>152297089
Telling you your argument is shit isn't metaposting, faggot. Nor is it any less relevant to your discussion than comments about the show would be.
>>152297302
Obviously Satantango.
Though I have no idea how you made the connection Ikuhara -> Bay, of all things.
>>152296777
nah Kong wants to go back home, Leffen wants to to America.
what's some other good non-juvenile anime? trying to get into the medium. Watched tatami galaxy and ping pong, both of which i've enjoyed immensely. Should i just keep watching stuff by the same director?
>>152297089
I you weren't saying so much bullshit maybe people would be more willing to argue with you.
Personally I don't want to lose my time with you.
The fact that many posts on 4chan are shitposts doesn't mean that copying them is the proper way to spark conversation.
>>152297438
Whoops, I meant to type Luluco there.
>>152297531
>>>/wsr/
>>>/google/
>>152297531
Try Boku no Pico, I found it mature and thought provoking.
>>152297539
Wooops, it doesn't make your post any less dumb!
>>152297574
>>152297590
i bet it feels amazing to be a cartoon elitist
>>152297648
I bet it feels amazing to not use boards for their proper purposes.
>>152297648
It feels amazing not to read the rules before posting.
>>152297670
how can you say that unironically after looking at 90% of this board?
That ending though.
>>152297641
What I mean is this: The implication of this thread is that "good" anime is like "good" literature or "good" movies. They should have good character development, a sensible plot with good pacing, and make use of various literary devices as to not hold the hand of the viewer while still being meaningful.
The 3 shows I took from that poster's list and Transformers have this in common: they are primarily eye candy that aims to be wild, brash, and entertaining above all else. This isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't make it "good", just fun.
Which is fine. It's okay to enjoy things, but calling them "good" or even "the best" in this context is silly.
>>152298250
>The 3 shows I took from that poster's list and Transformers have this in common: they are primarily eye candy that aims to be wild, brash, and entertaining above all else.
Not him, but I'd object to that comparison. Not all eyecandy is equal, Transformers shows none of the craft or creativity that Space Dandy has.
>>152298250
>They should have good character development, a sensible plot
And this is already wrong, there are hundreds of masterpieces of cinema and literature that don't fit these criterias.
That, as well as the belief that something like Transformers is in any way aesthetically pleasing visually, akin to Space Dandy or others, scream of someone that never went beyond conventional, narrative driven Hollywood flicks.
>>152275215
>KLK
>YuriKuma
>Luluco
>>152298250
I think Space Dandy has the "good" qualities, the others, not so much. It's bombastic and visually spectacular but it's artistically driven as opposed to whatever Bay is supposed to be.
>>152298561
Damn these greentexts are repetitive.
>>152298250
Please don't compare Dandy to trash like Transformers, KLK, or Yurikuma.
>>152298743
Wow Yurikuma is a fantastic pleb filter.