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Why do people call Yuri on Ice "bait"? Isn't

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Why do people call Yuri on Ice "bait"?

Isn't "bait" when you lure the audience with something and nothing comes of it or the premise gets turned around, like they get girlfriends?
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>>152235419
Only butthurt hetfags do that.
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Here's your thread:
>fuck off fujo scum
>fuck off hetfag scum
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>>152235419
I don't know, why do people make bait threads?
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its bait for fujo scum money
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>>152235419
It's afraid to make their relationship 100% explicit. It's just weird and sneaky about it, and makes you suspect that the writer might make them casually break up because "teehee it was just a silly little bit of teasing and they don't really care about each other because I don't really care", which almost happened in the last episode. People are just afraid of scummy fujoshi behaviour from the author.
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>>152235726
>It's afraid to make their relationship 100% explicit.
But they are more explicit than 100% anime couple.
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>>152235746
But we didn't see them fucking, it needs to be more straightforward
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>>152235895
I know you are joking, but I wonder if people realized how relationships in this anime are framed.

Everything pretty much happens in the context of ice skating, that's why you get Michele skating the feeling of letting go his sister for example and not him having a discussion with her about that.

The pair skating or Yuuri skating to seduce Victor as he skates is way more thematically consistent and related to the anime that Yuri saying "I love you".
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>>152235968
I agree some people were so fixated on a kissing scene they completely missed how characters talk and motivate each other via skating. That's also why I'm very excited about Victor's comeback in season 2, it will be interesting to see how he perceives Yuuri and their relationship and where he is emotionally, cause episode 10 wasn't enough to get full picture.
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>>152235746
>But they are more explicit than 100% anime couple.
They're not and its THIS ignorance why wehate the people this show has attracted
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>>152235746
Nope because there's no confirmation just a lot of baiting
>>152235968
>>152236368
And you two are fucking idiots. Its subtext on top of subtext which is the standard for all fujo bait anime.
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>>152235419
>Isn't "bait" when you lure the audience with something and nothing comes of it
Exactly like YOI
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>A movie about two openly gay classmate came out last year
>gets ignored
>YOI premieres later and is called ambitious and daring for being fujo-pandering
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>>152236878
Will I get an erection if I watch this

I'm not gay
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>>152236922
Maybe. Its more gay than YOI
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>>152235746
>But they are more explicit than 100% anime couple
You're trying to say there aren't any actual gay couples in anime? What the fuck?
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>>152236878
>Two openly gay
>Two
Kusakabe was openly gay but Sajou wasn't that much.
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>>152236878
Doukyuusei is icky BL that fetishizes gay men, unlike YoI
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>>152237301
And it's very weak, anon
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>>152236878
>BL is gay
No shit Sherlock. People don't discuss BL because there is no grand plot other than "when these two are going to bang?" Not even love pentagons or harems.

Admittedly they work better as movie than 12 episodes long TV series.

>>152236996
No. I'm trying to say that most anime couple are hardly affectionate with each other the way Victor and Yuri are. There is a lot of casual intimacy between the two of them. People only focus their attention on two scenes completely dismissing everything else.
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>>152237501
>I'm trying to say that most anime couple are hardly affectionate with each other the way Victor and Yuri are
How to spot a newfag
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>>152236878
But Doukyuusei became popular
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>>152236878
>gets ignored
It was a top-seller in Japan, what are you about.
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>>152237501
They're not a couple. They are straight
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>>152237501
>People only focus their attention on two scenes completely dismissing everything else.
Because there's nothing there.
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>>152237501
>I'm trying to say that most anime couple are hardly affectionate with each other the way Victor and Yuri are

Even if this was true, how does that make it anymore explicit? That just means you personally don't like how the relationships between other gay couples in anime are portrayed.
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>>152237501
>I'm trying to say that most anime couple are hardly affectionate with each other the way Victor and Yuri are
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When you compare the gay couple in Mahou Shouju Ikusei Keikaku and the gay 'couple' here, it's pretty obvious why people say it's only bait.
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>>152235746
>>152237501
There's anime literally about casual intimacy that's more explicit and less baiting than YOI
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>>152235419
>call show yuri
>make it yaoi
bait
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>>152235419
Please stop talking about this shit show.
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>>152235419
It's bait if the relationship is never confirmed. They don't need to get girlfriends, as long as it's not confirmed, it's bait.
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>>152235419
>No one's gonna fall for such an obvious bait
>See thread

Well, that's pretty hilarious
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>>152237192
Nigga what. Sajou is the one who is gay, Kusakabe used to be straight until he fell for Sajou. There's even an scene with Sajou and the homo sensei discussing how isn't a good idea for Sajou to date Kusakabe because Kusakabe isn't a homo.
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>>152235518
>pandering
>bait
90% of anime would be bait then

>>152235726
>kissed
>couples competition
>marrage and rings
>dont treat anyone else even remotely the same
i dunno anon, any less subtle and we'd have gay sex with hats on
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>>152238015
>Yuuri confessed on national TV
Never happened.
>kiss
I'm trying to surprise you so I'll do something unexpected kiss, not a I'm in love with you kiss.
>Rings
Even Yuuri's VA admits they were just good-luck charms.
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It's nice to see that both genders are into debauchery
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>>152238117
I'm just gonna go ahead and think any hetfags left are trolling because I refuse to believe that anyone can still be this dense.
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>>152238117
>kiss
>I'm trying to surprise you so I'll do something unexpected kiss, not a I'm in love with you kiss.

Are you aware how stupid that sounds?
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>>152238265
I know, Victor is stupid. News at eleven.
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>>152238015
I know it gets really fucking gay, but the fact is they deliberately did it all in a way that leaves them a chance to turn around and claim it's not actually homo or give one of those bullshit 'you can interpret it how you want' claims.

Yuuri said he loved Victor but denied it was romantic love. They kissed but it was censored. They exchanged rings but then called them good luck charms. Yuuri freaked out and denied it any time someone suggested there was something going on.

I'm not saying they should fuck on screen or anything but they had a thousand opportunities to casually state they were dating or actually talk about their feelings but it never happened because the creators are fucking chicken shit.

It's not brave, it's not groundbreaking, it's just the same old bait shit turned up to 11.
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>>152238442
>Yuuri said he loved Victor but denied it was romantic love
That was the subs, he did not just completely deny it as his tone was far more questioning of it in the original nip, and that was in an earlier episode before they became as close as they were in the end.
He still said Victor was the person he wants to be binded to and that he didn't know what else to call that feeling other than love.

They exchanged rings but they show you it was more than just a good luck charms due to the way the entire scene was framed and even Victor calls them engagement rings because he picked up on Yuuri's subtle cues.

He denyed it when it was assumed they were already married but he still didn't deny Victor, just was surprised by his openness.

There's a ton of context in those scenes that's often missed or outright ignored.
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>>152238442
>It's not brave, it's not groundbreaking, it's just the same old bait shit turned up to 11.
This. Brave is a gay man writing a story about how hard being gay is and how much it sucks because society a shit like pic related did.

Even if YoI had confirmed gays it would be a fantasy just like any other BL manga and anime. A sugar coated world where everything and everyone lives in peace and the world is full of rainbows and happy gay people and no one discriminates you for your sexuality.
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>>152237742
That's a romance anime, so not comparable. YoI is not part of the romance genre, it's a sports anime first, so the romance subplot is conveyed through the sports part. They are pretty intimate for a pair who are not in a romance only anime.
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>>152238117
"We wanted to make the scene feel as natural as possible with everything happening before it" qouted fron my memory but do you honestly think that sounds like describing a non-romantic kiss?
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>>152238657
BL is not really all sunshine and rainbows. It's a fantasy, yes, but they thrive on the whole "forbidden love" aspect and even on shit like "rape equals love" or whatever. One part of the pairing has internalized homophobia. So that kind of stuff does exist in those worlds, they just don't treat that subject matter right because it's more about fetishizing it.
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>>152238763
*typically has
(If not both)

>>152238117
You're full of shit with the kiss thing. Also it should be noted that VAs words are also interpretations, not as official as word of god.
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>>152238657
>Brave is a gay man writing a story about how hard being gay is and how much it sucks because society a shit like pic related did.

I can't fap to this.
If I wanted something like that I'd just look at my own life.
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>>152238442
Oh come on, authors confirmed it, producents confirmed it, pair skate confirmed it. No one in Japan had any problem with interpreting Yuuri and Viktor as anything else but canon. Only western fans seems to have problem with it

>>152238657
This I absolutely agree with.
Yoi it's not groundbreaking and calling it revolutionary is idiotic. Nevertheless It's a nice change and a good direction for a future
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>even comparing yoi with the disgusting shit that is BL
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>>152238117
>not a I'm in love with you kiss
But he is in love with him. Episode 10 confirms that. So he kisses a guy he is in love with but in a not "I'm in love with you" way?
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Bait shows are vapid piece of shit shows that have no substance besides the "bait"

Yuri on Ice is Yaoi bait because the only reason people watch it is for the Yaoi.
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>>152238657
>A sugar coated world where everything and everyone lives in peace and the world is full of rainbows and happy gay people and no one discriminates you for your sexuality.

It's subjective ofc but I prefer it this way
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>>152238657
Because stories about homosexual males don't have enough drama simply because they're homos. Might be nice for you but I'm tired of western cunts making
>Uwaa being a fag is so sad let's play victims instead of actually making a nice sweet story with a gay romance in the middle without people freaking their shit
And fujoshits who write BL make excuses for their character's homosexuality all the time.
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>>152235419
/u/ here
Even if they officially get married, sleep on the same bed together, raise a child who call them "Mama", people would still call it """bait'"'
Heck, you can even have a girl who would turn the entire world around, betray everyone she knows just to have her love be locked up in a room, and people would still think that she is"'"straight"""

It does not make sense, does it?
But that's how it goes
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>>152238657
I don't know I like the fact that YoI does not make a big deal out of the two main characters both being men. A lot of Western shows add in a gay character when the rating start to drop in order to bait sites like Buzzfeed to complement them for how great they represent the LGBT community. Or they have a special episode about someone coming out in order to get an Emmy nod. YoI does not at all feels like it's trying to be progressive in order to appeal to people who are progressive. Kubo said that their relationship wasn't planned but that the characters just naturally came to depend and care for each other like to the point where she herself could not see them apart. And I believe her.
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>BL: I hate him, no I love him. But I hate him
>YOI: mutual attraction
>BL: Actual rape disguised as romantic/hot
>YOI: Victor stops flirting when Yuuri isn't responding, doesn't use his behavior at the banquet to justify his actions and contuine flirting if it makes Yuuri uncomfortable
>BL: seme uke shit
>YOI: Baldfat equally in charge of seducing eachother
>BL: "B-but we're both men, this can never lead anywhere"
>YOI: gender is never mentioned

YOI will never be BL or even close to it, especially you westerns needs to stop mislabeling everything and just accept it as a sportsanime with a romantic relationship.
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>>152238657
I hope Mike finds love again. Poor Canadian bear deserves a second chance.
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>>152239185
>husband dies
>his twin brother is divorced and his daughter adores you
Let him win the MCbowl.
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>>152239129
Kubo also tweeted before YoI aired about how she was hoping to portray a loving wholesome same-sex relationship instead of a straight one because she thinks there's already enough het romance out there.

She just wanted to create a nice love story where gender didn't matter and so of course it isn't as focused on them being gay as it is on them in love, as the theme of YoI is love. I don't know why westerners have to make this so complicated.
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>>152239222
That would be awful. I really hope that's not the route and straight bro get together with waifu again.
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>>152238864
I'm not a hetfag, I want them to be canon gay, I really do. I'm just so fucking sick of being fed this deliberately ambiguous shit where it gets ridiculously gay but nothing is ever actually confirmed in canon. It's not like it would be hard to do but they don't because having that small margin that allows people to deny it or interpret it differently gives them a wider potential audience.

I know where you're coming from. I've been in your position before, with shows like Samurai Flamenco, and Tiger and Bunny, but now I'm old and jaded and I'm not satisfied with this shit anymore.
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>>152239337
Samurai Flamenco's director is an asshole, but Sunrise never said anything no homo about T&B.
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>>152239136
>YOI: gender is never mentioned

One of my favorite aspects of Yoi was how gender wasn't a big deal at all. Yuuri playing a feminine role during Eros and not making it into a joke was very refreshing
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>Called Yuri on Ice
>its actually Yaoi on Ice

That why its bait
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>>152239222
Gross. I have a twin and I'd never want my partner to date them after I died. I don't get why so many stories think it's romantic. It's creepy really. I don't see my twin going after my widowed partner either generally the moment one of us starts being interested in someone that person becomes completely unattractive to the other.
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>>152239384
SamFlam had such potential. I would say, even got more development to justify their gay relationship, but then nothing happened. Such a waste.
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>>152239337
Because the problem is westerners hold everything to a checklist but nips don't need that. It's "confirmed" to them, because they don't need everything vocalized. Like all anime, Westerners weren't the target audience (although staff has acknowledged and appreciated their overseas fans).

The producer actually thought those scenes were very, very clear and said he's glad they went this route.
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>>152239016
Thank you for explaining.
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>>152239533
You can't be this delusional you think japanese apathy and hypocrisy are actually being progressive and open minded.
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>>152239337
MAPPA gave a greenlight in recent interview to go full homo. Kubo acts on her twitter like Viktor and Yuuri are already married. At this point there's no way they'll go no homo, though probably they'll never go as explicit as some people want. It's an ice skating anime at the end of the day and sport will be always main focus.
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>>152239665
Where was I talking about progressiveness or hypocrisy or whatever?

Besides, there were nips all over Twitter and stuff calling this show "brave" so to them I guess it's something.
If it was a western show where you can be more blatant I'd be harsher but it's a pretty standard romance subplot as far as anime goes, just with two men.
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Nobody is going to relate to a love story between two guys. Keep the male gay shit out of anime.
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>>152235726
I dont get this. Baldfat is at the stage where they have mutual feelings for each other but has yet to put a label on it because of muh autism. Episode 12 was an example of how they're not in the same page.

Also Kubo is all for the gay, even /ourguy/ Otsuka will support if SayoKubo went madwomen so I'm not really worried.

I'm okay with this slightly ambiguous faggotry than getting a rushed relationship. S2 will deliver anyway.
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>>152239693
>MAPPA gave greenlight

I thinn I've read every interview but what are you refering to?
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>>152239847
>gay people doesn't exist and they certainly don't watch anime
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>>152239947
Maybe we would get an anal wedding.
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>>152239988

>pandering to the gay audience

I don't think so not so fast there buddy
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>>152239847
(You)
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>>152239847
>Nobody is going to relate to a love story between two guys
But plenty of people just did
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>>152239988
Nice double dubs.
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>>152239947
Recent Otsuka interview
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>>152239847
I do.
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>>152240110

No they didn't fujoscum
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>>152240205

You're just going through a contrarian phase. It will pass.
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>>152239487
It's not that nothing happened. There was a lot of payoff in the last episode. More than anyone was expecting, even the homo end conspiracy theorists. The problem is it was still framed in a way that technically left it open to interpretation and then our good friend Kurata panicked and backtracked in a desperate attempt to sell more than 3 copies.

It's retarded because their character arcs don't even make sense if you take the 'Masayoshi didn't know what he was talking about and Gotou is still a delusional waifufag' interpretation. It makes it an objectively worse story and renders the entire final love story arc pointless.
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>>152240132
Glad to see Georgi is keeping his magic alive in these trying times.
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>>152240234
Here's your reply.
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>>152240262
But I'm gay.
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>>152235457
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>>152238690
>YoI is not part of the romance genre
>main crux of the entire series and the motivation of the entire cast is based on mutual love
>Yuri's dance is based entirely on his infatuation with Victor
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>>152240297

Get well soon.
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>>152238864
>Nevertheless It's a nice change and a good direction for a future
Yay! More gay baiting sports anime because we don't get enough of that shit every season.
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>>152240338
Reading comprehension, anon. A work can have a romance and still not be part of the romance genre. It's marketed as sports first and foremost.
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>>152240399
>implying it's a bad thing
Ski jumping anime when.
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>all these anons butthurt their anime didn't do well
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>>152240399
I've been baited and burned pretty badly before and even I'm not this stubborn or cynical. Blueballing and baiting are not the same.
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>>152240490
It always happens with popular shows.
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>>152239014
>Because stories about homosexual males don't have enough drama simply because they're homos
Then don't make the fucking selling point of the show being shit like love, seduction, eros, and femininity but bail out on it because all you're doing is just pandering
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>>152240511
It didn't bail out on it. From your stubborn view, maybe, but all you're doing is hurting yourself.
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>>152239391
Because YOI takes place in a make belief world where nobody will make snide comments about your masculinity or care about the fact that you just kissed another man on live TV hence why its being deemed as "revolutionary" by the LGBT community.
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>>152240591
>It didn't bail out on it
They're not gay
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>>152240657
Repeating that to yourself doesn't make it true, and since you're probably the same anon who keeps repeating this one liner everywhere I assume you didn't watch or pay attention to anything.
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>>152240721
They're not gay
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>>152240758
(you)
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>>152240477

There is a manga about a girl doing ski jumping with boys' team while hiding her gender. It's title is Nonono or something like that and was created by the author of the Elfen Lied manga.

Sooo, there is a very small possibility that some studio may animate it.
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>>152240602
>where nobody will make snide comments about your masculinity
Even more crazy is that they integrated social media into the between-competition sections and don't mention any negativity that would surely be posted there.
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>>152240793
They're not gay
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>>152240810
Because Kubo literally said discrimination against love doesn't exist in YoI's world.
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>>152237563
>How to spot a newfag
Do you have an argument except /a/ favorite buzzword?

>>152237658
Nothing what? The whole romance is one of the pillars of the narrative.
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>>152237713
>When you compare the gay couple in Mahou Shouju Ikusei Keikaku and the gay 'couple' here, it's pretty obvious why people say it's only bait.

No, it is not. There is no threshold for gay romance or romance in general.
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>>152237873
>It's bait if the relationship is never confirmed. They don't need to get girlfriends, as long as it's not confirmed, it's bait.
That's not what bait is.
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>>152238265
Remind me of this.
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>>152238442
>I'm not saying they should fuck on screen or anything but they had a thousand opportunities to casually state they were dating or actually talk about their feelings but it never happened because the creators are fucking chicken shit.
No they are not. Free creators are chicken shit.

YoI pushed it beyond the point you could easily dismiss it as friendship. It's literally not possible.

You'll have easier time argue Yuri has split personality than he is straight.
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>>152238657
>This. Brave is a gay man writing a story about how hard being gay is and how much it sucks because society a shit like pic related did.
Bullshit, YoI is actually way more risky than any manga especially given it's anime original.

Kubo didn't have to do anything but make the usual Free-tier fujobait to sell 20k if she wanted it.
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>>152241390
>But, there was something behind that kiss, and it was the expression of a farewell
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>>152237742
Thanks for reminding me that Nana is still on hiatus and will most likely never get an ending.
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>>152238015
Oh hey that's my post.

>>152237690
>BL
That's like using Hentai as example of people having sex in anime.

Most anime couples in non-romance series are quite tame in general, you get a kiss after like 24 episodes and then the series end.

You can get through 48 episodes of Clannad, and how much sex and kissing there is?
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>>152239337
>I'm not a hetfag, I want them to be canon gay, I really do. I'm just so fucking sick of being fed this deliberately ambiguous shit where it gets ridiculously gay but nothing is ever actually confirmed in canon

There is no ambiguity in YoI.

I mean, there is as much ambiguity as there was in No.6 anime or Eva. Actually far less than that. Which means it's only from the audience side ignoring facts to fit their view.

The kiss is not "ambiguous", the moment you actually look at the scene in the anime and not the one in your head it's literally impossible for it to be a hug. The rings are stated to be, in plain text, wedding rings.

Hetfags and deniers always existed for far more explicit stuff, so I'm not sure why people are using them to measure anything.
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>>152237658
>Because there's nothing there.
What about this scene?
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>>152242115
that's just a bro giving a ring to his best bro
no homo at all, my friends and I all have friendship rings
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What are the worst cases of bait in anime?
Hibike Euphonium?
Samurai Flamenco?
What else?
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>>152242417
Probably Hibike, because it was so obvious detached from the actual narrative and chracter motivation.

It's the anime equivalent of "girls play lesbians to attract dudes".

I'm not even sure how to call Samumenco.


>>152242154
I think he meant this scene.
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>>152235419
Why did they only eskimo kiss in this scene instead of just kissing? This was probably more gay with the eye-gazing but also kind of awkward. At that distance, you're either about to kiss or things are just going to get weird
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>>152242771
>Anime
>Casual kisses
Pick one
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>>152239864
It is encouraging that Mappa is completely behind them, if they were a bigger studio I could see them having problems.
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>>152242771
There were five almost kisses in that episode, not counting the whole medal scene. No wonder people are pissed that they didn't. MAPPA blueballed us harder than Yuuri blueballed Victor.
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>>152242966
I know, I know. It still makes me internally REEE. They can make so many things feel natural but still abide by stupid anime laws at times and it fucks up the rest of the flow.
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>>152242966
Victor casually kisses Yuuri on the hand, so we're getting there.
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>>152243429
These two will be unbearable in s2
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>>152242648
This scene always seems to destroy me. I just love how they chase each other first with such warm expressions and then end up in a really powerful hug.
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>>152243786
Victor looking like a mess really adds to it. He's so vulnerable.

>>152243429
They probably casually kiss each other's dicks too
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>>152240490
>implying I'm not happy my AOTY was a patrician anime that most people didn't watch it because they are too dumb for it
Popular things are for plebs, always. Good anime, actual good anime, never sells. Name an AOTY that sold more than 5k. You can't.
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>>152243865
This would be really sweet. While the other one is busy reading or something.
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>>152243668
I'm already pitying Yakov.
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>>152242016
>I mean, there is as much ambiguity as there was in No.6 anime or Eva.
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>>152244472
They'll make Yakov marry Lilia again
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>>152244544
At least he can get laid when he goes home after dealing with a love sick Victor.
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>>152243429
Does anyone else feel like the hand kissing is gay enough to count as canon confirmation? Victor kissing Yuuri's hand is overtly intimate and romantic, there's no way to interpret it platonically. It's not played off as some joke like prince archetypes who do it as a character trait, but even when it's used that way it's demonstrates clear amorous intent.
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>>152235419
I don't know. Why do people think YOI is phenomenal?
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>>152245033
It goes beyond when there's actual rings involved like >>152243429
the announcer and the other skaters comment on the rings too. The constant JJ Abrams flare should be enough but they really don't want us to forget they exist and what they mean.
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>>152242115
I still can't believe how beautiful Vitya is here, most be my favourite look of his. Sleepdeprived and in love.
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>>152245033
Did they cuddle that night?
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>>152245033
It's not gay until Viktor sucks something off his finger and makes a lewd joke.
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>>152245156
They definitely focus on the hands more since that and push the rings in more shots, Victor even stops wearing his gloves completely
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>>152245252
They cuddled and did lewd things that night.
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>>152245315
It's actually kind of hilarious how blatantly they show off the rings, they've got massive bright sparkles half the time.

Honestly, even if they were good luck charms rather than engagement rings, they'd still be a clear and intentionally symbol of their love for each other considering the way they're depicted.
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>>152235419
desu it's really weird how they never explicitly say they're in a romantic relationship or are boyfriends. Even after getting fucking engaged, they somehow manage to skate around it. I mean yeah they are gay but I can kind of see where the "bait" accusations come from.
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>>152245467
Exactly.
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>>152245174
>Receding hairline
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>>152245570
Frank discussions about relationship status are a real life thing, they're a little unromantic in fiction. It makes sense that they'd choose something meaningful and symbolic like a pair skate to represent their relationship rather than sitting down to discuss what they are to each other. The way they skate around the kiss (in interviews too) is more dodgy to me, especially because I don't think they're actually officially together considering the hotel scene. I'd choose more kissing over verbal confirmation, that'd be a good mid point between symbolic and explicit statements.
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>>152245570
When would they even say that though and how? Honestly they come across as the type of couple that just naturally reached that level without question. That's pretty common desu.
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>>152244484
That's the point dummy.
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>>152245570
Honestly I don't know where that would fit in. There was so much skating in the last few episodes.
They chose the pair skate to do the talking, as I saw it. It's them on an equal level, skating to a romantic song that brought them together.
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>>152244484
YoI is actually gayer than No.6 though.

No.6 being aimed at children really limited the erotic aspect.
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>>152245922
I thought that was more that he'd be doing the do with a guy named Rat, and that's just kinda weird.
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>>152245570
>desu it's really weird how they never explicitly say they're in a romantic relationship or are boyfriends
Most characters assume they are dating actually. Christ tells Yuri to "break up" with Victo and Pitchit immediately assumes they are married.

Given the type of shows, I don't see why it's wrong. Yuri and Victor skating to romantic Italian song it's not "fansevice", it's an important scene in a show that contextualize relationships through ice skating.
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>>152246215
Those russian girls also tells Victor to break up with Yuuri.
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>>152235419
That's called a bait and switch
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>>152246290
The bait and switch was the childhood crush. Hetfags got BTFO in the first episode and it was glorious.
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>>152246215
Chris actually says something even lewder/explicit before that. He calls Victor Yuuri's "goshujin-sama" and implies his ass must of gotten fit because of Victor.
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>>152246444
>digits
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>>152246215
That's a good point about Phichit, his immediate assumption was they were married. If he didn't assume they were together his reaction would have been shock at seeing the rings, not him screaming congratulations.
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>>152246444
NICE
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>>152246444
She was so cute!
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>>152246444
Is it really a bait and switch when the feelings were real but all that was stopping it was her marital status?
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>>152246734
>Yuuri glasses dropping
What does it mean
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>>152246748
It's only bait because for those few minutes people probably thought she was Yuuri's love interest for the show, then up pop her kids to disappoint them.
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>>152246628
Pichit clearly is the only one who gets it
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>>152246748
Yuuko was tecnically the one who showed Victor to Yuuri, even in his memories about her has Victor in most cases. Also, he knew she was married and just wanted closure about his situation.
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>>152238090
>90% of anime would be bait then

It is.
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>>152246444
>444
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>yuuri squeaking when chris gropes his butt

He's such a slut.
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>>152246916
>Yuuko was tecnically the one who showed Victor to Yuuri
I think it's funny because her own kids were also the ones responsible for bringing Victor to Yuuri too
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>>152246748
>all that was stopping it was her marital status?

Yes? Do you think Yuuri is some kind of cuck?
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>>152240602
>Because YOI takes place in a make belief world where nobody will make snide comments about your masculinity or care about the fact that you just kissed another man on live TV hence why its being deemed as "revolutionary" by the LGBT community.

Yeah, that should have been global news if it happened in the real world.
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>>152239227
>Yuri on Ice

more like Yaoi on Ice, amirite?
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>>152247148
>>152246916

Then it's not really hetbaiting
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>>152247208
I'M BEGGING YOU NOT TO
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>>152247226

>>152246824
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>>152247148
>Was going to confess to a married woman
>Humped his idol on a party
>Poledanced half naked

Cuck or not, he's not very thoughtful
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>>152247338
>Was going to confess to a married woman
Use your brain, anon. He knew she was married. He wanted to thank her for taking care of him and show how much she meant to him. It wasn't a confession.
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How do you think Kurata feels about this show?
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>>152247338
It's actually pretty unclear whether he was going to confess or not. I didn't even think much of it when I was watching it until I saw the threads talking about it. The could have purposefully set it up like the start of one so it'd be more of a bait and switch, but there's no telling what Yuuri was actually going to say.
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>>152247414
I'm sure he didn't even watch it.
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>>152247388
Yet, she'd probably be a little troubled. That's the point.
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>>152247414
It's a girl flick, why the hell do you think he'd watch this?
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>>152247414
He worked on two shows last season, he probably was near death when it aired
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>>152247466
>>152247641
Not that anon, but anyone working in the industry should make it their business to watch any high selling series to stay informed and on top of trends.
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>>152247131
Victor and Yuuri need to thank those three little girls.
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>>152247821
Kurata obviously hates money, so this makes no sense.
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>>152247846
Those two would have both ended up sudoku if they hadn't brought them together
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>>152247873
>Kurata obviously hates money
Oh, I'm sure his pay is fixed and doesn't depend on a show's success. Otherwise, he's a retard.
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>>152247641
It's really popular over there and the best selling show of the season. Plenty in the industry will have at least taken notice by now, not dismissed it.
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>>152240399
I want a gay football anime, with lewd things happening in the restroom, desu.
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>>152242417
Genshiken.
I'm no longer mad, but it still stings. If people want an example of true fujobait here it is. This shit. Years of baiting, confessions from both sides, internal conflict and resolution, discussion of sex, a date, both willing for each other, but nope.
>lol you're not really gay here, date the fat chick instead.

Nevermind, I'm still mad.
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>>152248014
Some mangaka are just plainly evil. Period.
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>>152247928
I can't even think about it honestly. Otsuka really put it best when he talked about how they found each other at the right time. They would have stayed depressed, lonely, uninspired and dwelling on the "what-ifs" forever about each other.
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>>152247928
Victor would have started dating Chris but both would be unhappy about it.
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>>152248176
Chris is still a better choice for Victor than Yuuri.
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>>152248014
>>lol you're not really gay here, date the fat chick instead.
Yato was gay though, well bi.

I don't think it was fujobait, heck fujo who care about traps are the minority, but really in harem anything is fine. I do agree what the author hyped it too much, but I don't feel baited.
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>>152248176
But Chris has Kotomine.
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>>152248014
Genshiken was such a disappointment onthat aspect. I love it overall, but everything with the crossdressing faggot is really bad, especially slowly setting up a harem situation for Madarame of all people, and getting absolutely nothing out of it.
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It's not bait exactly, but this couple was really boring.
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>>152248275
Kotomine blueballs Chris aswell.
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>>152248398
>source needed
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>>152248087
More like he pussed out. You can tell he was really leaning toward a homo end but he was teetering. I don't mind that Mada choose no one out of his harem, it was basically a given. But the fact that they took the trap character who had JUST come to terms with accepting he's in love with another man, and accepting that he could be a bottom as well as a top, he's suddenly changes his mind "oh, he's the only guy I loved, I like women otherwise tee hee"

But I do enjoy his jaded as fuck alternate persona in the other series.
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>>152248097
>yfw this is what Piggy would have seen before the next season started
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>>152248176
If Chris and Viktor were going to date they could have done it within the past 10 years.
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>>152248409
As soon as Kotomine arrives Chris teases him about "coming too early".
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>>152247459
It seemed that way when he was monologuing all depressed sounding afterwards about trying to forget things in Detroit and it flashes to an image of Takeshi and Yuuko together.
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>>152248548
They probaly slept together on some occasions.
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>>152248743
I remember him talking about being depressed but I don't remember the other part. Are you talking about the flashback with them all as kids?
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>>152246444
Nice.
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>still an eternity until S2
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>>152248798
He didn't satisfy him on or off the ice. Poor Chris.
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>>152250693

The fuck is that? A reference to something?
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>>152235419
I don't call it bait, I call it shit since that's what it is
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Just for the record, people still call Kawoshin fake and think Shinji isn't bisexual. There is no reasoning with certain people.
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>>152251170
Yes

https://vine.co/v/iKvlX71rFar
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>>152235419
Shitters pretend to live in a world where everything should cater to their taste.
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>>152251317
I don't think they're straight. But people who say YOI is so explicit and different from other types of fujo anime are wrong.
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>>152251524
It's not as explicit as some people want it to be but it still clearly different from other fujo anime. A few bones are only thrown here and there in those, this is actually a driving force of narrative whereas their scenes mean more than just "fanservice" for fanservice's sake.
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>>152251433
Vine is dead and so is that link.
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>Finish last in your short program
>Bottle the first half of your free skate, implode in the second half losing all discipline and rhythm and just doing random out of sequence jumps while crying and screaming
>Somehow finish 3rd

Was it rigged?
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>>152247338
I hope the complete doujin gets scanned and uploaded someday.
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>>152251524
>But people who say YOI is so explicit and different from other types of fujo anime are wrong.
Maybe if the anime stopped by episode 6.

Episode 7 and especially 10, really pushed it to another level. It's no coincidence that episode 7 it's when the preorder spike and they got the stronger reactions out of everyone, it's because people who are not in denial saw it breaking barriers that usually don't get broke.
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>>152251778
I can see it just fine.
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>>152248798
I think they fooled around a bit and that's it.
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>>152251649
>It's not as explicit as some people want it to be but it still clearly different from other fujo anime. A few bones are only thrown here and there in those, this is actually a driving force of narrative whereas their scenes mean more than just "fanservice" for fanservice's sake.
Yeah, I don't get how people can't even compare it to Free.

In Free you can headcanon the characters are any sexuality. In YoI you have to perform mental gynamis to even assume they are not in love, let alone straight.

It's really to inserted into the narrative to simply dismiss it as "fanservice" or "bait.
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>>152251845
Rigged by the writer
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>>152251879
>Maybe if the anime stopped by episode 6
It's funny because even then that was the episode I knew it was really going somewhere for sure, though I already got a feeling

>Yuuri not having a "b-but they'll think we're gay" response or anything when Phichit's risque photo of him and Victor gets put on social media
>Victor telling him he wants to finally seduce him as himself and that Yuuri could probably tell that by now
>"I'm the only one who satisfy Victor"
>"I'm the only who knows Victor's love, I'll prove that now"
>sexvoice.mp4
>Victor casually holding him from behind while they were watching Chris
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>>152252199
Yeah, but all these things don't count for people because the only way characters could be gay for some people if it's they perform gay acts on screen like kissing or confessing, but even then, not really.
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>>152251879
>It's no coincidence that episode 7 it's when the preorder spike and they got the stronger reactions out of everyone, it's because people who are not in denial saw it breaking barriers that usually don't get broke.
why can't this happen with a yuri anime? ;_;
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>>152252031
>It's really to inserted into the narrative to simply dismiss it as "fanservice" or "bait.
This. What made me realize YOI was taking their relationship seriously wasn't the kiss, the engagement, etc, it was when I realized the overarching theme of the series was love (the eros/agape skating programs and the meta narrative for eros in particular, then Yuuri's announcement). It's impossible to separate the story and characterization from love when it's so deeply involved in the narrative, and their relationship drives their development throughout while hinging on love as a theme.
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>>152252276
No I get that, I wasn't detracting from what you said or anything, I just find it amusing. I've watched plenty of typical "fujo" anime and YoI just didn't give me that vibe, I felt it all building early on.
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>>152252346
Hard to say, Yuri doesn't seem to sell, but then again, I wonder if it's because they haven't done their YoI equivalent?

I'd imagine Eupho would have been a good candidate, but we know what happened.
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>>152252346
It almost happened with Hibike. Sales exploded after the super gay episode - and then flatlined when it became clear it was bait. It probably won't be long until there's a true yuri anime on the same level of quality as Hibke/YOI, and it will be a big success
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>>152252474
That episode really made Hibike popular, in fact that's how I ended up hearing about the show. Such a shame.
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>>152252199
This sort of shit happens with f/f literally all the time and people call that "bait."
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>>152252474
reminds me, when yoi was airing people kept saying they'd walk back the gay the next episode. like after 7, they said that was the peak and next week they'd stop and the bait would be obvious. it never happened thankfully.
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>>152252346

I don't know how well it sold, but Utena is considered a classic. There's also Citrus airing in a season or two. Kuma Yuri Arashi (gay bears), Sakura Trick, Izetta the Last Witch, and Flip Flappers are all pretty recent too. But yeah Yurifags don't have anything close to the smash hit that YoI was. And all of those shows (barring Utena) are more bait/romance than anything substantial.

Basically, though, /u/ needs a show that doesn't amp up the "forbidden" aspect of the relationship or focus on it above all other things. Yuri and Victor are athletes who happen to be gay/bi, rather than two gay/bi men who also happen to be athletes. It makes a huge difference. Plus the show has legitimacy outside of the romance due to the sheer amount of work that went into getting the skating parts right down to the small details.

Maybe a /u/-centered gymnastics show that actually takes the sport seriously instead using it as a thin excuse for fanservice?
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>>152252628
>Episode 7 happens
>"No way it can get even gayer"
>Episode 8 was a build up episode, some gay but mostly sports build up
>"Yeah, they dropped the gay"
>Episode 9 Yuri and Viktor separated for a day and almost dying because of it
>They basically run to embrace each other again
>"it's like you're proposing to me"
>Episode 10 marriage rings, Phichit saying they finally got married and Victor saying they were engaged and ending with the biggest twist


If anything my problem is that this series peaked in the romance aspect too early.
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>>152252585
Girls are just naturally more affectionate and touchy-feely. I can see why stuff like that between girls would seem like bait.
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>>152253134
>If anything my problem is that this series peaked in the romance aspect too early.
Definitely, which it's why episode 12 among many things felt so underwhelming.

If you replaced episode 7 with 12 you get a far better climax, though it's hard to imagine Yuri taking the plunge and buying the rings to a man he wasn't even kissed once. That move only make sense if you assume they kissed and far more stuff happened off scren.
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>>152252782
Utena is a classic so it's a good comparison, but alas it's basically from another period of time.

Kuma Yuri Arashi is a fair comparison, but it bombed, haven't watched Izetta but basically it seems unlike YoI their relationship never get the same on-story confirmations YoI has (Rings, etc)?

I wonder why there seem to be much more fujos than Yuri? I'd image most men actually enjoy Yuri (It's like the most reached porn in term) but then their anime bomb.
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>>152253419
Izetta was not baiting but the ending wasn't exactly perfect for the pair.
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>>152253316
I think the engagement would have worked better in the final episode. Especially then we wouldn't have spent the last two episodes questioning how serious Yuuri was about the whole thing.

But then the final episode was a train wreck and there wouldn't have been time for it then.
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So wait, Yuri bottled his free skate but still managed to get over 200 and win the Grand Prix? How much better was his short program than everyone else's?
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>>152252782
There's Madoka. Huge hit, has /u/ but keeps people highly invested in other aspects of the plot. It even dropped a huge, re-contextualizing plot twist concerning the main pair in its episode 10 too.
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>>152254233
Episodes 10 sure is the perfect number to drop these re-contextualizing plot twists
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>>152254233
Madoka never moved it past bait, though? At least I remember Madoka calling Homura "her best friend".

The context was certantly there, but I felt it needed a bigger push in the original series.
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>>152255130
The way I saw it, it's mostly one-sided canon, but you can't fully tell Madoka's feelings to begin with. I didn't see why she'd jump the gun and say she loves Homura when she didn't experience all what Homura had. She's obviously her best friend, but that doesn't mean other feelings can take place later on. I think the big issue is the memories thing.

Then there's KyouSaya, which seemed to be confirmed mutual from the movie.
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who gives a shit. it's just some shitty show that manages to push away people who want to like it by making it really gay to the point it's uncomfortable.

Stop pandering to a shitty audience and focus on a good story and maybe people won't criticize it for it's obvious flaws that ruin it.
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>>152255677
>who gives a shit. it's just some shitty show that manages to push away people who want to like it by making it really gay to the point it's uncomfortable.
>Current sales 63k
Really makes you think.
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>>152255677
It only makes you uncomfortable if you hate seeing people happy.
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>>152255677
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>>152253134
The first two episodes are hilarious once you know about the twist.
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>>152256108
I do have to wonder how Victor didn't catch on that something was amiss.
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>>152256108
Victor a chubbychaser
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>>152256210
I think he just likes men of any shape, size, color, whatever.
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>>152256314
Is Victor full gay or just gay for Piggy? I think he slept around a bit (with men) but Yuuri is his first love.
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>>152255902
or you're just a faggot with shit taste.
>>152255707
yeah all of them are faggots. Would be double if most of us didn't hate it.
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>>152256402
Basing/attributing him with gay men makes me see him as full gay and also the fact his song Stammi Vicino is written with a man in mind. Yuuri is his first true love though, yes. Even if his relationships with men in the past were basically just sexual/superficial, that's still gay though.
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>>152256628
Yeah, ofcourse it doesn't make you less gay just because you've never been in love before.
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>>152256402
His character design is based on a gay actor. Plus some of his previous skating outfits were homages to openly gay figure skaters. So, I'd say he's gay.
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>>152256628
Even with just his mannerisms and personality, can you really see him boning a chick?
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>>152256956
Mannerisms and personality don't determine who you want to fuck.
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>>152257029
They do sometimes.

>Based on a gay man
>Reference to a johnny weir in one scene
>Very feminine behaviors
>Uses gender neutral koibito
>Shows zero interest in women
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>>152256485
>yeah all of them are faggots. Would be double if most of us didn't hate it.
Do you realize it's the most sold anime of the year and it broke tons of record right?
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>>152256108
Victor was about to make out with Yuuri in front of his dog, how dirty!
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>>152257576
>Very feminine behaviors
There are straight guys who are crossdressers.

>Uses gender neutral koibito
Their world is free of discrimination, so it's only natural.

>Shows zero interest in women
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I believe he is gay because his character is based on real life gay people, not because he acts a certain way.
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>>152258022
>I believe he is gay because his character is based on real life gay people, not because he acts a certain way.
Sounds retarded.

He's not a real person, characters are written in certain ways to communicate something.
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>>152258260
Yes and none of the things you listed proves he is not interested in women. The only legitimate argument is that his character is based on gay people, so likely he is gay.
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>>152258370
It's ok anon, imaginary Victor would want to fuck you, you can make him your husbando.
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>by featuring a gay couple
They're not even fucking gay, they kiss because "Hurr durr Russians so eccentric!" and the rings are just a gift and are played up as engagement rings for "Misunderstandings!" comedy. There's nothing canonically homosexual about them aside from being figure skaters, the show just uses it as yaoibait and fujoshits and tumblrwhales eat it up.
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>>152258651
You literally copy and pasted this from a previous thread
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>>152258611
I said I believe he is gay. Goodnight, anon, I'm leaving.
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>>152235419
>Why do people call Yuri on Ice "bait"?
Bait is basically a buzzword now.


I've seen it using so much that I'm not even sure why understand the original meaning. I've seen people calling YoI fujobait while also arguing the characters were offensive stereotypes.
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>>152253419
Izetta had a bad writing that mess up the show halfway through. Only aspect worth watch is yuri even that not good enough bc characters is shallow.
FF is better example to comparison but that have sci-fi shenanigans going on and make thing kinda weird shit.
And that made me think why ppl never bring up modern world aspect of yoi. That part done very well and characters design and personality don't fall in to trop/rainbow shit. It help make main couple feel real then should been.
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>>152242016
Yuri on Ice has less ambiguity than Eva, which had a straight up love confession? Where official material has called Kaworu Nagisa a same sex love interest? Jesus fucking Christ.
Yuri on Ice does not commit. I truly believed it would, but it's coy. There's no denying the two are gay, it'd fucking retarded to try and say otherwise, but the fact remains the writer has refused to have either character unambiguously address and name their feelings.
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>>152261473
These people still say Kaworu and Shinji are just friends. Even after their sex scene in the movie.

If they don't think that is gay, then they definitely aren't going to think Yuri on Ice is gay.
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>>152258019
I think Victor's doggo is used to seeing his owner make out with dudes in front of him.
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>>152261473
>>Yuri on Ice has less ambiguity than Eva, which had a straight up love confession?
Yuri on Ice has two character buying two rings that were stated to be in playing text 700 wedding ring.

It has a whole narrative about built around Yuuri seducing Victor and expressing his love for him and other bazillion of scene through the 12 episodes. You can try to no homo them as much you want but they are not as coach and student act. They are not how straight men act and they are not how friends act.

The whole series is incredibly sexual in a way both Eva and No.6 aren't.

So yes, it's less ambitious than Eva, in which the hetfags used excused like "He meant he loved him as brother/father/mother" or "He's an angel" and in which the amount of homo amounted to a 7 minutes of screentime character.

Yes, Kaworu and Shinji are gay, I'm not stupid. I've been arguing with hetfags about them for years now. But 2 people can play the no-homo game, and you can definitely try to play it with Eva too when you look at the show without the official material.

You can do it with anything it really, you can do it with Franz from Mounte Cristo, you can do it with No. 6, you can do it with Yamagi from IBO.
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>>152262132
It doesn't matter.
Kaworu and Shinji had a love confession, a sex scene in the movie where Shinji is stated to have gotten sexual pleasure, and the creator himself confirmed their relationship as gay.

That makes it less ambiguous than Yuri on Ice. As of now. The second season could very well go past that and make them full canon, but until then they aren't.
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>>152262281
>Kaworu and Shinji had a love confession,
Tell that to hetfag that keep insisting that "He loved him a brother".

>a sex scene in the movie where Shinji is stated to have gotten sexual pleasure,
There was sex in 3.33? What?

>a sex scene in the movie where Shinji is stated to have gotten sexual pleasure,
Where are you seeing the ambiguity in YoI exactly?

Is it ambiguous until the creator says they are gay and there is on-screen buttsex even if the whole narrative literally fall apart if they are not at least in love with each others?

Beside you got tons of dialogue from Victor and Yuuri talking about their love for each other. Hell, episode 10 Victor states multiple time that Yuri gave him love.
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>>152262364
>Tell that to hetfag that keep insisting
But that was my point earlier.
There are always going to be people that deny these things.

But there's more room for denial in Yuri on Ice where nothing is explicitly confirmed in comparison to Eva, where the creator does indeed confirm it.

Kubo even said herself you could interpret the kiss as whatever you like, and didn't even call Yuuri and Victor a couple.

>There was sex in 3.33?
No, End of Evangelion.

>Where are you seeing the ambiguity in YoI exactly?
Where everything that could be construed as gay is still left enough room to deny it.
The rings are said to be good luck
The kiss is never completely shown
The creators never deny or confirm anything either way

Not to say things won't change in the second season, but it's still more ambiguous than Eva even though both are gay.

My point is when even an Anime from the 90s was gayer in only 10 minutes, how can you call YOI revolutionary or progressive when at this point nothing has been confirmed? They still haven't gone completely canon with it and left it intentionally ambiguous.
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>>152261473
It's infinitely easier to give your MC is male love interest when you're only planning on giving him 15 minutes of screentime before killing him off. I mean, I like Kawoshin too but the comparison doesn't really work once you consider context.
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>>152262479
>how can you call YOI revolutionary or progressive when at this point nothing has been confirmed?
Because I don't ignore what's happening in the show I watch. The fact that you need to rely on what Anno said outside of the show to "confirm" Kaworu and Shinji show you that retards can claim it was ambitious too since they can just say he loved him like a brother. Which is, guess what, what people have been doing for years.

>>152262479
>Kubo even said herself you could interpret the kiss as whatever you like,
That's not what she said, and her interview actually are quite explicit in the way she describes that scene. Also notice how that single mistranslated twit get mentioned while every other twit get ignore.

>and didn't even call Yuuri and Victor a couple.
Never happened.

>Where everything that could be construed as gay is still left enough room to deny it.
Just like you can do it with Shinji and Kaworu without Anno interview.

>The rings are said to be good luck
Yes, one character bought 600 euro wedding ring and performed a perfect Russian proposal as good luck. Then, since he tries to downplay it while spluttering, we assume he actually means they are for good luck. Is that character insane?

>The kiss is never completely shown
Doesn't matter, it can't be a hug anyway. It's literally not possible since they already hugged 3 times.

>The creators never deny or confirm anything either way
She doesn't need to. You should look at the show and draw your conclusions.

>how can you call YOI revolutionary or progressive when at this point nothing has been confirmed?
Because I can look at the show and it's not a 10 minutes romance in which one of them get killed of and then they are sad and depressed and them being straight literally makes half of the narrative fall apart to the point their actions in numerous scenes don't make any sense.

Retards who want to think they are straight will still think it anyway either way but they are irrelevant anyway.
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>>152262801
>The fact that you need to rely on what Anno said outside of the show to "confirm" Kaworu and Shinji
The fact that Anno had the guts to say it and Kubo didn't is the primary point here.

>>152262681
It works fine as a comparison, because the subject is ambiguity, and Yuri on Ice is full gay, yes, but it's never been blatantly stated in the work or by the creator, while in Eva, it has.
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>>152263657
Not that anon, but if anything it shows YoI is gay enough in the show itself that Kubo doesn't really have to say anything (even though she did), whereas Eva was vague enough that it needs to be backed up by Anno.
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>>152262801
>>152263886
It didn't need to be backed up by Anno, but as we know people will try to no homo anything so Anno's words are a bonus.
And guess what, even with Anno's words people still no homo it.

It'd be the same with Yuri on Ice if Kubo actually had the balls to confirm it, but she never does.

Furthermore, Yuri on Ice is an Anime that was intended to pander to women and fujoshi from the start, Eva wasn't.

It's more bold and revolutionary to put gay shit in an Anime with a huge male otaku audience in the 90s and not be ambiguous about it rather than with a fujopandering Anime.

YoI clearly isn't gay enough if everyone here was complaining about no kiss in the last episode. I guess the "kiss" in episode 7 and "engagement" in episode 10 wasn't enough for them.
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>>152263886
For God's sake. Evangelion has a bluntly stated confession of love from each party. Like >>152263998 says, the official material stating that Kaworu is a same sex love interest just shows commitment to the gay relationship, rather than delicacy regarding it. Kawoshin isn't "less gay" than Baldfat just because retarded Western fanboys still no homo it. The same would happen with Yuri on Ice even with Kubo's sanction, but at least Kubo's sanction would show more guts.
Why do these young fujos feel the need to act like Yuri on Ice is the first and gayest gay relationship in anime?
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>>152264145
This

I find the praise for Kubo to be laughable when she still says things like the kiss are up to interpretation and others are a couple, but Yuuri and Victor only "act the way they do".

In an Anime that was going to have the fujo women audience from the start, no less.

I'd love for Yuri on Ice to go all the way just like everyone else, but it clearly hasn't yet and so it hasn't beat out Eva or even No.6
Or even Cardcaptor Sakura
Or even Sailor Moon

The list goes on.
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>>152263998
>And guess what, even with Anno's words people still no homo it.
So does it really matter whether Kubo confirms it or not then? Evidently not.

>>152264145
>but at least Kubo's sanction would show more guts.
That's the thing. I don't see why there's the need for creators to "show more guts" in confirming things when fans are liking the show regardless and deniers are going to no homo it anyway.
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>>152264335
It does matter, because it would show she has the balls to confirm it instead of leaving things ambiguous.

Especially in the case of a show like Yuri on Ice, where it's never confirmed one way or another.
Everything can be no homoed, and they intentionally portrayed these otherwise gay things ambiguity so they could be no homoed.
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>>152264335
You really don't get it. Baby fujos are claiming that Yuri on Ice is completely revolutionary because of its gay content, when in reality, gay relationships have been done for decades. We have people in this thread insisting that Yuri on Ice has "less ambiguity" than fucking Evangelion, just to keep harping on that example, when that relationship is given explicit acknowledgement via both in-series dialogue and the creator's stated intent. Yuri on Ice is gay, I'll keep saying it so that someone doesn't think I'm a hetfag in denial, but it does retain more "ambiguity" than Eva, or, yeah, No. 6, Sailor Moon, and others, because neither Victor nor Yuuri's romantic feelings are unambiguously addressed in the series or by the creator.
Do you get what I'm trying to say? I'm explaining it as best I can. Yuri on Ice is gay, but the writer wouldn't take the plunge and address it with anything more than actions that could be recontextualized.
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>>152264300
You can talk shit about Kubo but at least neither Yuuri or Victor have been decapitated, separated or some other tragic bullshit that tends to happen to gay couples in anime.
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>>152235419
they are here to shitpost, otherwise they would not read a thread they don't care about
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>>152264503
Fun fact: The TV producer for Eva joked that Kaworu had to die or it would turn into a full-on BL

Yuuri and Victor aren't gay enough to get killed off.
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>>152264503
Okay? It's nice to see a gay couple without the culturally typical tragedy, but that doesn't make Yuri on Ice gayer.
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>>152264503
Normally I only watch tragic shows or shows in which stuff happens like dying so this is the first non stuff happening anime I've watched.
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>>152264561
>>152264579
I never said Eva was gayer than YoI or anything. I think that comparison is pretty dumb in the first place. I'm a different anon than whoever started that argument.

I like BaldFat because they're a homo couple in a non romance show that blatantly show they're sexually attracted to one another. They're also adults, and they act like a normal couple. Even if they're not the first male homo couple example of this in anime, its not done often and besides Eva it's the most popular show to have happened in.
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>>152264775
>I never said Eva was gayer than YoI or anything.
Then you injected yourself into a discussion where that was one of the focal points.
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>>152264775
>>152264805
Also,
>Sailor Moon
>Cardcaptor Sakura
Jesus fucking Christ. I feel old and tired.
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>>152264477
Yeah, okay I think I get it. So in the end everyone's just arguing about gay power levels in anime. I should've known.
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>>152264857
Mostly I'm just irritated because fujos who think that Yuri on Ice is The Example of gay couples in anime are fucking obnoxious with their overexaggerated praise. I had so much fun with Yuri on Ice, I really enjoyed it, but it's pathetic to see these kids parading it as Better Than other standard setters when it doesn't even meet those standards in the first place.
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>>152264857
I'm just stating that Kubo and Sayo intentionally left things in Yuri on Ice ambiguous, that's a no brainer.
Both in the show and out, Victor and Yuuri are not canon gay for each other. Yet.

I'm hoping just like you that season 2 proves me wrong.
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>>152264775
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not much of a Anime history buff, but did Kaworu and Shinji not set a standard for gayshit in Anime?
That's why it's always one white-haired foreign/non-human dude and a black/brown haired shy/insecure dude.

Even with an Anime that came 20 years later like Yuri on Ice, it's still clear Victor and Yuuri were somewhat inspired by them.
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>>152264972
Not that dude, but if I remember correctly it goes as far as Devilman, but Kaworu and Shinji are probably the ones who made it popular yeah
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>>152264972
>>152265073
Yes, Devilman was the bedrock, and Eva built upon it and crystallized the archetype.
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>>152264843
>>152264805
Welp, my bad. I just wanted to give Kubo some credit where credit is due.

One last piece, to give the show credit, what other shows have the two main characters that doesn't end in tragedy? There are plenty examples of gay couples in anime but most either get a bad end somehow or involve side characters, no.6, Eva, CC, Tokyo Babylon, Terra e, Sailor Moon, X, Naruto, Gankutsuou, etc.

All I'm saying is, I think YoI is praiseworthy for those aspects at least.
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>>152265144
You have to remember that YOI is a sports anime and tragedy doesn't typically happen to the extent that it does in shows with other subject matter.
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>>152265144
Sure, but until Kubo and Sayo go full homo with it we can't say they are doing anything revolutionary or ballsy.

Plenty of sports anime have fujopandering between the two main characters.
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If I watch this, will it make me gay? I want to watch because I heard it's a good show but I am straight
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>>152265244
You might get a craving for pork
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>>152265244
You might want o marry a dude by the end, but don't worry, there's nothing gay about that
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>>152265244
No. And three episode rule mate.
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>>152265244
On the contrary, if you watch YOI you will learn that no matter how much you hug, kiss, flirt with, or express your love and sexual attraction for another man, it's not gay until you explicitly state that you are gay for him. You can even give a dude wedding rings and it won't be gay, don't worry.
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>>152265420
Yuuri said he didn't have romantic love for Victor
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>>152237742
NANA wrapup when
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>>152265492
He said it's not something as simple as 恋, and the closest term is 愛 which can, in fact, encompass romantic love. Just in a more deep and sincere way than 恋, which is more of a selfish, shallow love.
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>>152265613
>lying about Japanese
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>>152265650
Where's the lie? That's how it is. 恋 is specifically romantic, 愛 doesn't have to be but it can be. And of course 恋 isn't necessarily as negative as I made it sound, but it doesn't have the strong sentiment that 愛 does.
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>>152265775
>damage control
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>>152265812
>he doesn't know two of the most over used kanji nor understand them
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>>15226524
>YoI
>good show
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>>152265853
The nigger first said 恋 is a selfish, shallow love here: >>152265613
And now he's backtracking once he knows he can't lie his way out of this
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Are harem shows straight bait?
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>>152265970
That's the nuance though, it doesn't necessarily mean selfish and shallow as in the person is a shit to their boyfriend or girlfriend, but more like it's all about their own feelings and their own experience of being in love rather than agape-esque love for someone. I guess I should have been clearer, but I thought everyone knew this shit.
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>>152265970
Sasuga EOP.
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Can we stop talking about bait for one minute to discuss more serious matters? Like how Yurio and Victor weren't in Phichit's fantasy Phichit on Ice. I think this means something.
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>>152266280
He doesn't like Russians?
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>>152235419
Yes, that is what bait is. It's not bait if the fish bites the worm and there's no hook. That's just a lucky fish.
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>>152266004
Yes.
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>>152238864
Author expressly refused to confirm it.

I know it's gay, everyone with sense knows it's gsy, but for one reason or another the author has stated multiple times it's open to interpretation while simultaneously hinting that it's flamingly homosexual. This is not the same thing as confirmation.
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>>152266895

Only Western fans are hung up about the author confirming it, honestly. Kubo herself said she was surprised that Westerners kept asking but the home audience understood right away.

She's not going to argue with people who won't change their minds. There might also be a censorship issue where "just bait and bantz jk lol" gay can get on the air but actual man-with-man gay would be denied. I'm not saying it's a logical thing to draw lines between but cultural sensibilities are contradictory and wacky wherever you go. And Japan is famously homophobic when they acknowledge homosexuality at all. So leaving it "open" means they can can get away with more than if they said "yes these two men love each other".

The reverse of it would be how we are often told that juvenile delinquents do bad things and get expelled or caught by the cops but we never really see them actually doing it. You can tell, but you can't show (or glorify it) because if you do you're threatening public morals.
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>>152267124
Serious question, do you think that people who consume this stuff from a non Japanese cultural perspective and get annoyed or upset about the wishy washy treatment are objectively wrong and irrational and should stop altogether?
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>>152251920
Good for you. It won't play for me.
Does anyone else have a link or can they just tell me who's in the video so I can look it up
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>>152265144
Just last year there was a qt homo movie desu.
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>>152267124
Correction, she said foreign fans were bold about asking her directly, not that home ones took it for granted. It was a comparison of attitude, not understanding.

As for being hung up on confirmation, I was just correcting another anon who said it was when it wasn't.
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>>152262801
>Also notice how that single mistranslated twit get mentioned
>Then they discussed THE scene from episode 7 and I found this part quite exciting because this is the first time the creator/voice actors addressed it directly and openly. And well, they called it the hug/kiss scene. Kubo said that she got a lot of tweets from all over the world, asking her for clarification (and some private messages, to which she responded with the truth, but she didn’t share what ‘the truth’ was during the event (she was smiling like all hell though so I think it’s pretty damn clear that it was a kiss)). In the end, Kubo explained that she doesn’t want to push only one way of seeing the scene onto the viewers and she thinks it’s better if the fans decide what they’re more comfortable with themselves.
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>>152266004
No. You know from the start that all of them are 100% straight.
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>>152268028
>In the end, Kubo explained that she doesn’t want to push only one way of seeing the scene onto the viewers and she thinks it’s better if the fans decide what they’re more comfortable with themselves.
So in other words, intentionally keeping it ambiguous and pussyfooting.
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>>152235419

Would you call many of the 'yuribait' series as being actual lesbian romances? A similar sort of clingy obsession, maybe even a clear one sided crush with the target either being obvious/dense/not fully reciprocating or viewing their relationship as friends.

Are we fully aware that yuri bought the rings with gay marriage in mind? Did he intend the relationship to advance beyond friendship and has it? The guy whose romantic experience amounts to two unrequited crushes he didn't act on (one when young and the music making girl), who then went on to describe 'eros' as food.

To some people this is just a bait worthy as all the yuribait series that tease so much yet don't fully deliver on the relationship and the rest is up to the viewer. Basically as contentious as ever.

It's as usual a perfect storm of multiple camps each with their own views, generating discussion and attention so that the series can live on.
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>>152270467
Go to bed, Anon.

Just go to bed.
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>>152266080
You're also forgetting to mention he was applying that it was his love for his town, friends, and family as well. It's an all encompassing love aimed at different types of things. Also he says it's also not platonic either (that CR subs left that part out) and his wording in regards to Victor definitely cannot be taken as platonic. But whatever, /ourguy/ Otsuka already said that Yuuri's difficulty with labeling his feelings for Victor fit because they love each other so much it has transcended more than the word can describe.
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>>152270864
>they love each other so much it has transcended more than the word can describe
Literally what does this even mean, I hate it when writers try this fake deep nonsense.
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>>152270906
That's how you describe soulmates desu
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>>152258370
And Yurio is based on a woman, so he's a woman.
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>>152270906

>They completed each other and what's more, they found a new path to follow ahead of them

>Yuuri said he had no name to describe this feeling and I think it captures the nature of their relationship really well.

>Calling it love is a wonderful way of putting it, but I think they already went above even that.

>It is a relationship where they push each other in the best direction

>Yuuri's relationship with Viktor was drawn around love, bonds with others. Yuuri & Yurio's - around the motivation to do one's best.

>I think that for Viktor and Yuuri, their coach-skater relationship is just the outer layer of their connection.
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>>152270957
>>152271097
If you love someone then you love them. Trying to elevate that to some melodramatic incomprehensible feeling that nobody can relate to is fucking stupid and pretentious.
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>>152266307
That's racist.
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>>152271152
I can relate to what he said. Leave Otsuka alone, he's a romantic guy
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I just finished watching this movie today. Is there anyone else thinking that Stammi Vicino might be inspired by this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTTNJZb9DjU
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>>152271152
There's nothing remotely realistic or competent in YoI's writing or characterization, so this melodramatic saccharine shit is about what you'd expect.
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>>152268028
>In the end, Kubo explained that she doesn’t want to push only one way of seeing the scene onto the viewers and she thinks it’s better if the fans decide what they’re more comfortable with themselves.
So in other words, if you're so insecure in your sexuality that you have to do mental gymnastics to no-homo a cartoon, then you do you.
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>>152271288
Yeah, and pretty sure she said that after she was barraged by both idiot western fans asking for confirmation and homophobes asking her to no homo it. Who the fuck would bother after that. Believe what you want, she's obviously not changing your mind.
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why does 4chan hate fujo while they are gays who love to fap to traps
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Why are we still having this conversation? Anyone denying the homo is either baiting and/or unwilling to change their views no matter what. Learn how to avoid bait.
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>>152271288
>>152271339
That too but she's a lot more your typical nip in interviews. She's incredibly bold on twitter though.
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>>152271288
Actually it's just that she has no integrity and isn't willing to fully commit to something that's apparently so important to her just for the sake of not making waves, but keep climbing even further up her asshole.
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>>152271427
It's mostly cynical old fujos being bitter and not liking that people like YOI and think it deserves attention. They don't deny it's gay, but it's not quite as gay as they think it should be to deserve any credit since 10 or 20 years ago something was gayer.

And yeah, avoiding it would probably the best since nobody is going to change their minds.
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>>152271544
She commits just fine. You are only reading one part of one interview
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Why you retards still arguing over this?
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>>152264145
>Why do these young fujos feel the need to act like Yuri on Ice is the first and gayest gay relationship in anime?
>young fujos
Please.
Probably more fujo watched YoI than Eva.
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>>152264477
>Do you get what I'm trying to say? I'm explaining it as best I can. Yuri on Ice is gay, but the writer wouldn't take the plunge and address it with anything more than actions that could be recontextualized.
No, it can't be "ambiguous" the moment the whole narrative fall apart if they are not gay.
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>>152264843
>CCS
Fun fact: Toya and Yukito actually never confessed their feeling on screen.

Yukito did to Sakura and Toya was interrupted. Heck, in the new manga they had 0 romantic talks.

No doubt they are canon, but you don't remember much about CCS if you think it's gayer than YoI.
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>>152264925
>Mostly I'm just irritated because fujos who think that Yuri on Ice is The Example of gay couples in anime are fucking obnoxious with their overexaggerated praise
>le fujos
Right because gay men don't exist.

People praise YoI because they are not in denial on what's it's happening on screen. The moment you stop being in denial you get a sport anime with a gay relationship at its center. 12 episodes without the writers killing one, or chickening out at the last minute by separating them or something like.
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>>152265204
>Plenty of sports anime have fujopandering between the two main characters.
Jesus christ, did you people actually watch YoI or did you watch Free by mistake?

You keep raising the imagine bar for "full homo". The show was revolutionary by episode 7 and 10. Even episode 9 with the scene with the two lovers at the airport.
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>>152273371
There isn't a scene where they directly confess to each other, but there scenes where other people mention it, such as
>is there someone you like
>yes
>is it my brother
>yes
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>>152273611
I wonder what "full homo" is anyway.
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>>152273667
Fuck the post got cut. I was going to add that that makes it more explicit since it is completely direct.
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>>152273667
I know, I read the manga. But by /a/ definition that' not full homo because you never see them confess by face.

YoI has plenty of monologues about Yuuri and Victor feelings for each other, episode 10 was all about Victor explain how he feels about Yuuri.


>>152271586
>It's mostly cynical old fujos being bitter and not liking that people like YOI and think it deserves attention. They don't deny it's gay, but it's not quite as gay as they think it should be to deserve any credit since 10 or 20 years ago something was gayer.
The "old fujo" meme is retarded. I doubt most people who watched YoI didn't watch Eva anyway.

I don't say anything Kaworu and Shinji did is less gay than, say, this.
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>>152273823
>I know, I read the manga. But by /a/ definition that' not full homo because you never see them confess by face.
Heck, now that I think about it, did Toya ever confess 100% explicit?

He always got interrupted. I bet if CCS aired today people would claim it's ambiguous.
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>>152271586
I like it, I like that it's successful. But it still falls short of confirmation. It's simply a fact, so I understand if others are frustrated not by the show itself, but by people incorrectly claiming more than what it has done..
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>>152273823
>The "old fujo" meme is retarded.

Well, it's kinda true. Read some the complaints here. Some fujos are literally bitching people like YOI and considering it progressive because there were gayer things before it.

>Mostly I'm just irritated because fujos who think that Yuri on Ice is The Example of gay couples in anime are fucking obnoxious with their overexaggerated praise

>Why do these young fujos feel the need to act like Yuri on Ice is the first and gayest gay relationship in anime?
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>>152273908
>But it still falls short of confirmation.

It doesn't. Seeking confirmation is retards.

>Kubo can you please tell me these gays on screen are fags

You are not watching Free, you are watching YoI, their interactions cannot be dismissed as fanservice, the whole show fall apart the moment you assume they don't have feeling for each others.

Seeking confirmation says more things about you than the show.
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>>152273823
No, I am also one of the people saying YOI isn't on the same level because it's not directly clarified unlike the above example. Yuki and Sakura were clearly, unambiguously talking about Yuki's full homo feelings. What other people have to say is irrelevant..
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>>152273908
I don't agree. With the backdrop of figure skating, and how Yuuri and Victor express their feelings through their sport, it was confirmed. The pair skate and them living together alone in Russia is proof enough.
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>>152274064
correction, them living together in Russia. We aren't sure if they live alone yet, but they obviously live together if Yuuri has Victor's dog.

If they had separated at the end I think people would have had a point, but they didn't.
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>>152274031
I'm not seeking it. I am merely stating that again, the plain simple fact is, despite the framing being so heavy it's silly to think something else, the show is never once putrely direct, and Kubo herself said you can read what yoyq want into it.

This is, by definition, not confirmation. That's all.
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>>152274039
>What other people have to say is irrelevant..
No, that's the crux of the argument here. "Other" would claim Toya feeling for Yukito are "bait" because they are never 100% confirmed on screen and therefor ambiguous.

You can also claim No.6 kiss was a goodnight kiss and and a goodbye kiss by the way.

Claiming Yuri and Victor are just friends is really no less retarded than it.

You have to understand that people who call YoI don't think it's "ambiguous". They don't keep raising the imagine bard for the homo confirmation and don't doubt everything that it's happening on screen for some reason like the author is trying to trick you (Because otherwise, why doubt anything?)

Hence why they claim YoI is revolutionary, they see a sport anime with a gay romance in 12 episodes in which no one gets separated/killed.
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>>152235419
>Gay is only good when it's boys
>Gay girls are shit
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>>152274175
It is pretty directly stated at times, though. For example, Yuuri's best friend saw their rings and assumed they got married. He didn't wonder why two straight guys who are totally not homos were wearing rings and what were they for. He went straight for marriage.
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>>152274175
>and Kubo herself said you can read what yoyq want into it.
She's only talking about the kiss anyway and she also says this

>—I believe that all scenes have a place in your heart, but is there a scene that particularly impressed you or that you were happy to see animated?
>The scene that had the strongest response in the anime and also that changed the flow of the story was that last scene of episode 7, so it was quite a shock for me too. As I said before, I’m glad that we could show the necessary development that brought to that scene.
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>>152267669
That was BL.
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>>152273862
>TL note
Fuck. I just had flashbacks to all the "ew yuri" comments in the scanlations every time Tomoyo was being gay.

Tooya didn't confess, but he had an equivalent conversation to the Sakura/Yukito one with his ex. He doesn't say it but his ex being psychic made up for that. I'd personally consider it an outright confirmation while not thinking the same for YOI.
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>>152274212
No, it's not, I am just responding to >>152264300 and affirming that CCS did go further than YOI in terms of canonicity.
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>>152274309
She said the same thing to Suwabe about their relationship in general, not just the kiss.
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>Nothing is gay confirmed until the author confirms it
Really makes you think.
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>>152271615
It's not an interview and this is not the only time she's said this idea.
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>>152274593
>Gay sex scene
>Under the cover
>Next morning after it's never discussed
>"We don't know it was gay, we never saw penetration occurring"
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>>152274593
It's pretty amazing what you can get away with these days and not be gay. What a time to be alive.
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Even if it's canon gay, the way fans keep making justifications for the wishy washy nature of Baldfat's relationship makes it sound like the worst relationship ever. They've been around that long and can't communicate? The shills for this show realize they're making this relationship sound absolutely dysfunctional, which is funny considering so many of them say BL is all messed up. Not having any rape makes Baldfat revolutionary to them.
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>>152274543
>No, it's not, I am just responding to >>152264300 and affirming that CCS did go further than YOI in terms of canonicity.
>Read CCS new manga
>Toya and Yukito are like 20 and still act like friends
>0 romantic/sexy interactions
You go CLAMP, so progressive and forward.

I'll bet we'll go the whole new manga without them getting acknowledge as a couple.
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>>152274726
It's good for my masculinity because I can suck my bro's dick and still be straight as fuck.

By the way, traps are straight.
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>>152274669
You are still ignoring everything but one tweet and one thing instead of seeing the whole picture. See

>>152274309
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>>152274726
>>152274593
Why do we have so many people who talk like tumblrtards here?
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>>152274787
The same reason why every no homo talks like a mal tard I guess.
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>>152274763
>Yuri best friend assumes the characters are married
No homo
>Sakura's dad calls them best friends in the 2017 sequels
Very gay, very sexy.
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>>152274590
Not that anon but Ishida says the same about Kaworu and Shinji, the way I saw it she was telling him to let the show speak for itself instead of his words being passed as official, VAs can accidentally or not no homo things otherwise
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>>152274303
This would be true if Victor and Yuri agreed seriously. I would even have considered Victor's response I'd Yuri agreed with it instead just letting it be, but 12 shows that if their relationship as coach and skater is cut they think there's nothing left.
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>>152274755
>Not having any rape makes Baldfat revolutionary to them.
The fact their relationship is also equal is a huge thing if you read BL.

No.6 also sorta did that though, but it's often no mentioned due to the bad anime and the fact the series is not very sexual in general (no more than most anime I mean).
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>>152274309
She doesn't say it's a kiss, though. It follows the normal pattern of "you'd be retarded to think anything else but we're srill not going to sy it and make you do the final step."

>>152274782
It's not a tweet nor an interview. It's a YOI special where she says the same basic idea as the tweet.
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>>152274763
In all fairness the dad wasn't the best character when it came to noticing stuff about his kids.
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>>152274908
Ishida is a grumpy 40 year old man who doesn't give a shit about anything.
The other Eva seiyuu, like Rei and Misato's, and even Asuka's, have all confirmed Shinji and Kaworu is gay as fuck.
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>>152274926
Not really true. Yuuri can break up with Victor and cut off ties for what he thinks is Victor's own good, but that doesn't mean there was nothing else there or that they felt nothing. It's just Yuuri being Yuuri.

At the end, Yuuri wanted one more year together because that's the most he could hope for, but Victor wanted more and said so and Yuuri accepted it even if he'll never be a 5 time world champion at his age. They are obviously more than just coach and student. That is even confirmed.
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>>152274755
They're usually surrounded by other people constantly, even when they were living in Hasetsu. They are both extremely inexperienced with love and Yuur's not had a relationship, while Victor used to be a workaholic with no time for anyone else. They have flaws but I'm glad they'll actually be living together in s2 as that will probably help.
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>>152274763
I don't care about progressiveness or any other SJW nonsense, but only one pair has confirmed romantic feelings involved.
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>>152275061
So even you know she's confirming it, but she's still not confirming it enough for you because she didn't just plainly say it was a kiss in that question. Okay.
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>>152275061
Because you shouldn't need it. I know what it is, context tells me enough. Not a big deal.
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>>152275142
I didn't mean there weren't deeper feelings, just that they themselves obviously didn't think they were a real, engaged couple in a relationship. Things remain ambiguous as usual.
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>>152275301
Well, it's more like Yuuri doesn't realize it at the time and thinks he's doing Victor a favor by dumping him but Victor has different ideas.
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>>152275204
No, I think she's hinting heavily at it while leaving space for people who want to think otherwise, as usual.

>>152275294
I personally agree. But she said what she said.
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>>152275074
>In all fairness the dad wasn't the best character when it came to noticing stuff about his kids.
Missing the point though. If CLAMP wanted they could easily have them come as a couple. But they still pussyfoot about them 10 years later, even in TRC their interactions are mostly sterile. I'm a huge CLAMP reader, they are the masters of pussyfooting about their homo stuff and no homo stuff using shit like "angels" or "hermaphroditism". Even X Subaru/Seinshiro last scene is very similar to Victor and Yuuri kiss scene.

Meanwhile YoI has Yuri and Victor act unmistakably as two lovers in the airport scene, people ask them to break up and assume they are married, but somehow they are not gay because the author doesn't state they are faggots? They are way more gay then most homo pairing except the one in >BL.

Anime portrayal of gay couple in general tend to be quite sexless in general.
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>>152275402
But there's nothing else to think unless you are retarded like you said. She's not going to change their minds anyway.
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>>152275402
>I think she's hinting heavily at it while leaving space for people who want to think otherwise,
These people who think otherwise are can't even properly fit an hug scene into the narrative since it doesn't support that.

You can't have a "surprise hug" no matter what.
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>>152275454
>>152275462
Again I agree. The thing is, saying she confirmed it is still a false claim. That's all I'm saying, be sure that's how things stand.

Something like "all but confirmed" I will happily agree with.
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>>152275630
It's looks gay and the author hasn't confirmed it's not gay, why would I give a fuck about anything?


What I find hilarious is how people keep raising the imaginary bar for "fujobait". It's like an author writing a gay character is somewhat impossible.
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>>152275411
I still can't believe how gay this episode was. Gayer than 7 imo.
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>>152274984
Their relationship is not equal.
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>>152275630
There have been less deniers about the kiss as time goes on, yet it's annoying when you keep bringing it up like this changes anything. She tends to be more bold on Twitter, anyway, that's where she said that the episode synchronized with that week's episode of Nigehaji where the two leads kissed for the first time.

>>152276065
Episode 6 is underrated desu. I think that's actually where the "are they dating offscreen?!" specula started
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>>152275411
I loved how Victor touched his forehead after this scene as well.
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>>152275098
You telling me Ishida plays himself in Rakugo?
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>>152276298
Even Hayashibara said he is:
>“This guy really is Kiku-san through and through…”

https://karice.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/p555/
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>>152276128
>I think that's actually where the "are they dating offscreen?!" specula started

It was if I remember correctly. Episode 5 was also a huge deal because of that pressconference and how they caressed eachothers necks so casually, that's the episode where I was like "oh shit, they're actually going for the homo." Glorious.
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>>152276128
I'm not just talking about the kiss, but their relationship in general. Baldfat is pretty in your face but Kubo has intentionally said it's open to imagination and it's natural to point this out to both the people who deny the homo and the people who call it confirmed.
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>>152276697
Yet, I find people like you picking arguments with the people who believe they're canon than anything else.

Still about that Suwabe thing? She just told him he should say that to viewers. She drops enough hints from her Twitter about the nature of their relationship by comparing them to romance dramas and acting like they're already married. Maybe that's not as "confirmed" as you want, but I don't need it as I've got a working pair of eyes.
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>>152276846
I've "picked arguments" with a variety of people with a variety of views, though a lot of the deniers are just too obvious trolls that I meet with report/ignore. What I want is irrelevant. I just state facts.
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>>152276846
Also, I quite happily agree with people who just believe they're canon as in in love, as opposed to those who claim they're canon as in confirmed by Kubo.
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Would you?
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>>152277045
I can watch it and know they are canon and in love. I don't need Kubo, but she also makes it obvious most of the time as well, especially on twitter.
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>>152277152
As long as no one makes false claims I'm not bothered.
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>>152276982
>>152277045
I guess I don't see it. I see several people making their butthurt obvious by forcing the issue. Someone starts this argument, then you have people using examples from the show, and then the butthurt person brings up Kubo, even though people were still focusing on the show.

>>152277096
Would be better without the names. Also there's a different thread for that
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>>152277300
Metafagging is pointless and cancerous. It's all anon and therefore impossible to call, and more than that it's irrelevant. Better to stick to replying to specific posts and talk about real information.
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>>152276106
>Their relationship is not equal.
Explain.
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>>152276298
Probably, Ishida is known for few words or being kind of blunt. No wonder Sugita says he has a strong AT Field.
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