>80s 90s ideal >older slutty businesswomen, teacher, soldiers,

>>152230463
>>older slutty businesswomen, teacher, soldiers, university students
>>lolis are not sexual
I can't say I agree with this.

>>152230463
Otakus (aka people with such a low self-esteem that they feel threatened when fictional girls have a "past") becoming anime's primary market.

>>152230548
Who the fuck was the auduence before?

Mentally healthy successful family men?

>>152230463
Hayao Miyazaki, he is the first one who successfully spread pedophilic disease.

>>152230608
Regular kids and teens.

>>152230608
Regular people.

>>152230644
>>152230636
I doubt that

>>152230736
Why is so unbelievable? Anime are cartoons, not unlike Looney Tunes. Both are spontaneous entertainment products of their ages, not something created by committee.

What came first? The Otaku? Or moeshit?

>>152230548
>otakus
>low self-esteem
otaku is a term for fan of certain things. gun otaku, military otaku, figure otaku
jesus fuck

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>>152230463

Ever fucking watch Cream Lemon bro? Actually, most 80's hentai girls are the later.

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>>152232375

>>152230463
>what was sailor moon

>>152232344
Definitions change along with the times. A lot of people use otaku as a net term for a hikki.

>>152230736
Mate, anime was mainstream as fuck when I was a kid/teen, that's all the guys were talking about at school.

>>152230463
>80s 90s ideal
>lolis are not sexual

top fucking kek

>>152230463
We need to take the old,
>older slutty businesswomen, teacher, soldiers, university students

With the new,
>lolis are sexual

I mean, who knows. We could even have loli businesswomen.

>>152232738
And hikkis are not the real target demographic of anime, so your point is moot.

>>152230463
>1984
>literally called Lolita Anime

>>152232375
Lemon cream never had any pussy shots did it.

I remember it was always convenient censoring. Can't even call that hentai

>>152232550
A show made for young girls, not adult males.

>>152234216
>infuckingplying
Is Strike Witches a show for little girls too?

>>152234315
Well, /a/ seemed to be into it.

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>>152234329

>>152234315
What are you even talking about?

The Sailor Moon manga ran in a magazine for young girls and the show aired in a kiddy timeslot.

SW ran first as a manga in a seinen (teen/adult men) magazine and then the series aired in a late-night timeslot.

I think the difference in intended markets is pretty blatant.

>>152234411
They're both shows where cute magical girls do cute magical things

>>152230608
In the past anime used to air in the afternoon and there was no late night anime, so that partly answers your question. Plus the audience for non-TV anime (mostly OVA) was different.

>>152234444
What happened?
Not that I'm complaining, this means tons more anime gets made

>>152234442
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>152234442
Pokemon and Drifters are both anime about a bunch of dudes roaming the countryside and getting in fights but I don't think many people would try to compare them.

A superficially similar premise doesn't mean they're marketed at the same audience.

>>152234411
intended market doesn't mean other markets aren't desiring it, just look at horsefuckers

>>152234481
It wasn't profitable anymore to air stuff during the day. And companies found out they can make money not from the number of viewers, but from how many discs they sell, so it didn't matter anymore at what time the show airs.

>>152234507
But that's irrelevant, the thread was about the shift in type of sexualized women in male-oriented anime.

>>152234548
Then why put it on tv at all?
Just release it online directly, tv is dying in any case

>>152234573
It really depends on the anime
Best anime have a wide variety, ftom pure schoolgirls, to lewd young women, from lolis to milfs

>>152234651
Japan funds a lot of their anime with DVD/BD sales and people wouldn't buy them if they could just stream online whenever they wanted.

I think they'd be smarter to go for the Crunchyroll model, actually, but typical Japanese bureaucratic inertia will hold that up until they really get desperate.

>>152234651
Probably because Japan is an old-fashioned country and fast streaming is quite a recent thing.

>>152234573
op said ideal, there's nothing about male-oriented anime there check again. men watching sailor moon because hot high school girls means that's their ideal no matter who it was actually marketed to, the company just hadn't discovered that was a market yet

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>>152230463
It's because over time the anime industry had gradually developed differing standards set by the community to where the generalized idea of the worlds they create adhere to a specific set of fictional principles that must be followed if they ever want their anime to sell.
All women except mothers must be virgins even if it doesn't make sense for them to be.
All young schoolgirls must be at least slightly or preferably overtly gay for eachother.
If any female has sex with one guy for any reason she's a broken piece of trash to be disowned, but if she doesn't fuck the guy she likes after numerous chapters/episodes of sexual tension the guy is apparently a beta faggot and the story is blueballing bullshit.
A chick can be an absolute filthy cumdumpster at heart who acts like a giant cock craving slut without shame, but as long as her hymen is intact she is a pure maiden to be cherished apparently, even though 90% of the women she shares an idealized fantasy world with are also virgins so it's not like that's any sort of accomplishment.
I appreciate purity in a woman as much as anyone should, I really do, but when it's just there to pander to waifufags because they'll throw a hissy fit and burn all their merchandise if they have to deal with that aspect of reality in their delusional fantasy land at the cost of whatever integrity the character might have, it's becomes far too clear to me that I'm watching a piece of shit for my suspension of disbelief to belay instead of a good story where characters aren't restrained by the will of a bunch of whiny chink faggots with terminally shit tastes.
Hey check this out, two female anime MC's who have had sex with a man. Shitting your pants yet at this unprecedented turn of events? If it came out nowadays, you bet your leaky asses you would be.

>>152234444
>>152234548
Anime still air during the day all the time. The late night model isn't something they stuck to after failure, it's something they got shoved into from complaints and other series followed because it's cheap.

Money isn't dependent on disc sales, merchandise makes up a heavy portion of that as well. Hell, a series can sell very few discs but can be considered a success if it boosts manga sales.

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>>152234030
Like this?

>>152234699
Doesn't Japan have super fast Internet?
>>152234694
Don't people buy BDs because of the bonus shit in them and reworked scenes?
Besides if everyone who watches it now has to pay at first they'd make more money

>>152234715
Use some deductive reasoning. The only way OP's post makes sense is if it's specifically referring to which characters are being marketed to men, because otherwise it's total nonsense.

>>152230463
combination of an "arms race" to stand out among the crowd more in order to get more sales, and a need to pander to a more and more niche audience that will fork over more money (because you lost your larger audience due to pandering to a niche audience in the first place, repeat like a snake eating it's own tail)

tldr capitalism and the free market combined with the end of the bubble economy

>>152234735
I'd say that you shouldn't mention their virginity unless it's literally important to the plot
And yeah blueballing is goddam awful

>>152234758
What airs during the day nowadays is either stuff for children (Pokemon, Pretty Cure etc.), Gundam or Shounen Jump manga adaptation (Naruto), but that changes as well - see new Gintama series moving to the late-night slot (all previous series aired in the afternoon).

>>152234782
Aoba!

>>152234808
When you say 'Japan' you mean every individual household? You have to bear in mind that most Japanese are computer-illiterate.

>>152230463
>Was it Evangelion?
close, it was actually nadia who is credited with creating the next generation of otaku degenerates.

NHK was the channel it aired on, which is part of the joke on welcome to the N.H.K

>>152234782
I want an anime about cute women (cakes would be even better) doing cute things that doesn't make the characters look like lolis for no reason.

>>152234915
I mean on average

>>152230463
>older slutty businesswomen, teacher, soldiers, university students
this is for ero-ero

>virginal schoolgirls
this is for romance

>What brought the change?
The simple realisation that romance isn't a women-only topic. What men find romantic differs from what women find romantic.
A girl saving herself not ever wanting to do it with anyone else - that's the ultimate romance. and a setting where everybody's a virgin looks quite absurd after high school age.

>lolis are sexual
Can't explain that either. A side effect? Perverts on the internet?

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>>152230463
10s>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>90s

I'd say black tuesday and a thirty year old recession causing a hostile work environment, causing adolescents to not participate in the community and isolating themselves jacking of to the girls they knew from middle school and high school.

>>152234831
no as I pointed out in my post it could be referring to the types of characters men actually wanted to see, their ideal. which is what is written in op. I agree with you that it means op is nonsense, but op is stupid if he meant to say market and used ideal instead

>>152234944
A lot of Japanese women have childish face

>>152230463
Otaku just become smarter.

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>>152230463
>lolis are not sexual
Are you retarded?

>>152234944
They do mention that Aoba looks like a high schooler.

But it doesn't help that older characters like Kou or Rin look maybe two years older.

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Which anime has the best fan service?

>>152235635
I want to suffocate between right one's thighs. Nopan. Best death, honorable.

>>152230463
>Viper

I didn't think people were aware of these characters beyond Carerra and maybe Akira.

>>152235404
True but the girls in that show are young looking even by anime standards.

Really I'm just old and want anime to brainwash me into being interested in women my age.

>>152235198
Amagami (game) came out 09 tough.

>>152234932
And Eva was a direct response. Anno recognized the market Nadia exposed and courted sponsors to Project Eva with the blunt mission statement of increasing the number of otaku, a deliberate effort to recreate the success with a new property Gainax would have more rights to. It's not the first anything or even especially exploitative in particular but it was some evil genius anyway.

>>152235198
No. At least 90s have a flavour.

>>152230463
the continuing mental regression of their target fanbase

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>>152235902
Watch josei shows, like Rakugo.

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>>152235635
Hokuto no Ken

>>152230463
>What brought the change?

Feminism is in decline and islamism is spreading, so removing the big tit women is a worldwide trend. I've noticed the same thing in ads for whatever stuff, the theme "man and little girl" is very popular while adult women are not present a lot any more. (you can interpret it any way you want, it could be dad and daughter, or something else)

>>152236164
I've done that and read some manga but it's generally too heavily designed for its female market. I don't mind when girls in series date or have relationships or whatever but if it's going to happen I want the guys to be relatable to me, and the guys in Josei stuff usually aren't.

>>152230463
The internet shift the populace. Anime began its decline in the 90's and fully fell in 00s and what happened then. The internet got faster and more regular people began to stream and did not buy the product.

>>152234782
Aoba!!!!!

>>152236407
>not finding any of the male characters in Rakugo relatable
What is even wrong with you.

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>>152236307
Fuck off, /pol/.

>>152236465
I meant Josei in general, I haven't tried Rakugo itself yet because I expected more of the same. I'll give it a shot.

>>152236584
Okay then. Really makes me wonder what kind of josei you watched/read.

>>152236488

That's my opinion, I'm not shilling for /pol/, I don't even go there.

>>152236626
Mostly random stuff where the cover looked interesting but I dropped it within a chapter or two because it was stupid. Maybe it's just been the wrong stuff.

>>152230463
I've fapped too many times to the blue one getting raped.

>>152235198
I perfer 80s

>>152234735
You're so correct that it's actually frightening.

The mentality you described is part of why the industry is stagnating.

>>152234735
>All young schoolgirls must be at least slightly or preferably overtly gay for each other.
People say this so often, but I never see it.
Are they confused about girls behaving like girls? Girls don't high-five and bro-fist, they hug and kiss instead, there's nothing homo about that.

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>>152235635
>>152235857
>3D
Gross

>>152230463
at 80s/90s there were still some decent women.
now all women are whores and will most likely divorce you and make you an alimony/child support slave for the rest of your life.

the concept of a pure, loyal, loving wife has turned into science fiction. anime is there to cover that gap in the hearts of men.

>>152236799
Who is she?

>>152237915
>the concept of a pure, loyal, loving wife has turned into science fiction

To be fair, so has the concept of a man who provides for the family, fixes up the house and spends time with the children.

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>>152230463
>Was it Evangelion?

Lol no Evangelion had Misato who was a bona fide roastie but the good kind: an older, military(ish) woman.

>>152238088
Misato only had one man
She was faithful

>>152238065
In the end, real men and women belong together. Not because the ideal isn't better, but because they don't deserve any better.

>>152237956
I don't know I don't speak runic, some cumdumpster I guess.
https://exhentai.org/g/40901/0cf46313bc/

>>152238088
3 child characters, their school friends, then the secondary protagonist is pushing 30 and everybody else is 25 and older.

>>152230463
People got taste and recognized the superiority of lolis.

>>152238088
>Misato
>Roastie

I mean I get what you're saying, but that's unfair to her. She was actually cool, levelheaded, and competent, unlike the typical roastie, and as far as I remember her sexual history was actually pretty tame for her age.

I like the way things are now.
I can't stand 1980's female characters. They're too "woman"ly, and not in a positive way, but more like slutty, and remind me too much of 3DPD.

>>152239585
t. spineless beta.

>>152239656
Fuck off. You know where to go.

>>152239585
This is a pretty pathetic post.

However I feel like it accurately represents a large portion of the otaku fanbase in Japan.

>>152230736
Furries weren't a thing when anthromorphic cartoon shows came out, The show came first and then the creepy following was created after - same with otaku

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>>152236906
It's not particularly profound to be honest, anyone who watches enough anime from older and modern times alike is going to be able to see the glaring differences in tone that change with the years.
Back then anime didn't sell with waifuism, because it didn't exist in the form it does now. So you get a ton of female characters who have realistic lives and experiences, sexual or otherwise, that give them a far greater deal of depth just because they're able to freely explore all of that without having to worry about a fanbase of autistic manchildren organizing a boycott because the girl had a penis or two in her somewhere down the line, regardless of whether or not it was important to the story or the character's development.
Likewise, it was an era of competent, mature, adult male MC's largely devoid of the shallow beta teenage faggot you often hear people complaining about because of how obvious it is he exists just to provide a self-insert. While that has always existed to some extent, it was hardly as prevalent as it is now because the standard hadn't yet developed into what it is today.
I also want it to go on record that I find Miyazaki's statements to be overtly bitter and cynical in tone, but that his criticisms on the issue are not unfounded in the slightest. It stands to reason someone who has worked so hard from within the industry for so long would have a greatly amplified viewpoint on the matter, but the art of good storytelling will never die. People just need to be willing to break out of the mold and prioritize writing a good story over anything else. That's what I think, at least.

The association between otaku and lolicon is much older than the 2000s. In fact, there was a so-called "lolicon boom" during the late 70s - 80s, but this was mostly seen in manga, in magazines like Lemon People, because at the time it wasn't really possible to to create anime targeted at such a niche audience (though a big name of the lolicon boom, Azuma Hideo, did get popular enough to get two of his more mainstream manga, Olympus no Polon and Nanako SOS, adapted to TV anime).

There was anime produced aimed at otaku in the form of OVA, but at the time there was more cross-pollination between specializations of otaku (e.g. SF and fantasy otaku were more likely to watch anime) and the market at the time wasn't so large that you could ignore them, so even targeting otaku meant targeting a wider range of people than it does now, which meant you couldn't go too far into any one direction. That said, there certainly were more sexual depictions of girls with neotenous feutures in OVAs than you would see on TV.

After that, anime like Evangelion, Card Captor Sakura and Nadesico happened as well as the popularization of galgames (Tokimeki Memorial, Sakura Wars, ToHeart, Kanon etc.), causing the market of people who like animated pretty young girls to grow. In the mid-to-late 90s, digital inking/painting/compositing became feasible for TV animation and became industry standard in 2001, lowering the barrier to entry to TV animation production. With a larger market and a lower barrier to entry, inevitably there would be players in the industry who would seek to exploit that market and their success basically brings us where we are now.

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>>152239585
Dont insult my waifu

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>>152241281
>Noa
>Womanly

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>>152241281
>>152241328
All of the Patlabor girls are 10/10 waifu material because they're actually well-written characters.

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>>152241453
Noa being painfully adorable doesn't hurt her case.

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>>152238167
>>152239057

Wasn't it very loosely implied that she had (or had considered having) in the past one night stands with strangers on episode 26?

Along the lines of ''you just sexed with men because you can't stand being alone, but filling that hole of loneliness inside with momentary pleasure only made it worse.''

Of course there's no actual evidence that she ever had fucked anyone else besides Kaji, but I though that the whole point of the inner dialogue shenanigans was to hammer home the truth that Misato *wasn't* as pure as Shinji wanted to believe, but as cowardly, miserable and as human as anyone else, prone to error and driven by conflicting desires.

Gonna have to watch the episode again tomorrow...

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>>152239585
That's a pretty sad thing to say.

>>152241526
I think by "men" it includes Shinji when she tried to do him

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>>152241518
Kanuka being painfully sexy doesn't hurt her case either.

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>>152241281
Noa is cute, friendly and probably virginal. He'd be all over her.

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>>152240798
How about a perverted MC who's too stupid to be beta?

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>>152241908
It feels weird to call a Patlabor girl 'sexy' but that was her thing, true. Noa is legitimately 2cute, though.

>>152241988
Where are these pics from? I thought I had all of the Patlabor art books.

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>>152241810
>when she tried to do him

WHEN?!?

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>>152241988
Agreed. Kumagami was also a nice middle ground between the two.

>>152242061
I think it was right after Kaji died

>>152242125
>Kaji died

You mean shot. It's not like he overdosed on melons or something...

>>152232344
>gun Otaku
Kill yourself. Only noguns and outsiders would use such a faggity word like that.

>>152242125
Rei. Kaji was when she broke down crying and Shinji hid from her.

>>152235404
This didn't generally show in the 70s, 80s or 90s shows.

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>>152242053
No clue. Some anon had them the other day. Look for the image hash on the archive.
>>152242067
She was nice, but underdeveloped in the anime.

>>152242231
I don't remember precisely
I remember Misato trying to fuck Shinji and him not doing her

>>152232200
yes.

Glad to see things change for the better
Fuck used goods

>>152230463
Anime got better over time.

>>152242311
>I remember Misato trying to fuck Shinji and him not doing her

There's a scene where Misato attempts to comfort Shinji after Rei kills herself in order to defeat an angel. And by attempt I mean Shinji wouldn't even let her touch him.

I don't see how that situation could be interpreted as her coming onto him in anyway though to be frank.

>>152242360
HAHAHAH

>>152242446
Misato tried that while they were in bed together, and yeah "comfort" him

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During the 90s this was considered unsexy.

... unless I'm completely missing the joke.

>>152242641

>exposing upper arms

>sexy

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>>152242547

You have a lewd imagination, please get help.

>>152241518
Looks like a 14 year old boy

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>>152242067
Yes, but look at this. LOOK AT IT. Too adorable.

>>152239585
Guess we found the culprit.

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>>152242762
If you're a gay homo maybe.

>>152243131

androgynous as fuck

would bang though

>>152243352
They don't make boys that cute. Not boys that aren't traps, anyway.

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>>152243131
That;s a lewd Noa.

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>>152243671
Noa can be super lewd when she wants to be. It's a cute lewd, but still.

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>>152242311

I haven't watched the Rebuilds, does this occure there?

>>152242788
I want to wake up next to Noa

>>152243938
Quiet, Asuma.

>>152242067
She is the most used goods, though.

>>152234735
Somehow I feel this is partly due to the rise of moe and the increased focus on cuteness and innocence to sell a product to frustrated young men seeking a source of escapism from the harshness of Japanese culture.

>>152245279
Whow that's such an original thought, I'm sure you came up with it yourself after a lot of reflexion and first-hand experience of the subject! You totally didn't regurgitate a more than three decades old platitude!

>>152245358
You seem upset.

What's the correct Patlabor watching order?

>>152246282
Don't watch it it's shit

>>152230463
>>older slutty businesswomen, teacher, soldiers, university students
>>lolis are not sexual
They sold the real thing in Japan around that time anon.

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>>152246282
There's two continuities. One is OVA1 and the movies. The other is TV and then OVA2. Pick one, then the other. The only shit bit is Patlabor 3, but that's okay in its own right.

>>152245358
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not like he's wrong.

Whatever conclusion you get front his thread you will never get what you want. Americans can never fully culturally invade Japan's Entertainment industry. Fuck off with your multicultural bullshit. Americans doesnt even like its own 80s movie aesthetics why would any other country would do that shit

>>152246793
When did anyone say anything about America or multiculturalism?

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>80s 90s ideal
>lolis are not sexual

Explain the tons of CCS porn.

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>>152230463
We still have Keijo

>>152247195
well., sakura was or still is the perfect waifu.

IDk I was watching corrector yui at that time
hhuugngng fire suit

>>152234735
There's plenty of room between having sex and starting off to date and kiss, you know.

>>152247815
>18-year-olds
>older

>>152248338
>liking grannies

>>152248338
Sounds a bit too old to me.

>>152248856
I can't relate to someone that young.

>>152236116
the eyes look worse and occupy an actual 80% of the face

why are retro/manime fags all /v/ tier "I've watched 4 modern animes and they were all shit" plebs?

>>152250336
Don't get butthurt just because you like eating shit.

>>152250336
When people don't like something they don't go out of their way to consume more of it.

>>152246793
>>>/pol/

I can tell you that lolis were sexualized in the 80s and 90s. It just wasn't as heavy back then. People can argue that "they finally realized their target audience" or some bullshit and started pandering more strongly to the crowd that watches anime too much and gets into the waifu/merchandising crap such as buying lewd figures of waifus, especially the underage ones. But honestly it seems like a chicken and egg argument.

>>152246793
See, this is the shit I was talking about with /pol/ shit getting thrown in there, from the LWA thread

How fucking surprising!

>>152241926
>tfw Issei is the closest to being "alpha" without devolving into a strawman to justify betas like School Days or extremely mediocre quasi hentai

>>152230608
>Who the fuck was the auduence before?
Cuckolds.

>>152251784
>>152251784
>Cuckolds

wat?

>>152242196
>hurrr muh manliness is being ruined by a japanese word

>>152237242
I dunno, a lot of the girls I work with give hi fives and bro fists same as everyone, plus I have never seen girls fondling each other unless they are super drunk at a party.

I just hate how characters and stories center around high school when there's nothing to gain from that setting.

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This shit brought down the rise of anime for a decade

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>>152242641
Not necessarily unsexy. Just flat. And thus not as sexy as real women.

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>>152243131

>>152230832
Anime was already otaku-centered since 80s.

>>152251980
Apparently finding sexually active women attractive makes you a cuckold now. Honestly sleeping with a virgin is the worst. The sex is bad and they usually have expectations of a serious relationship afterwards

>>152246390
Patlabor 3 is a fine story as a para-natural detective story. But it really has next to nothing to do with Patlabor.
It doesn't deserve to be as maligned as it is, but it just should never have been shoved into the Patlabor franchise.

>>152251980
It's a meaningless buzzword now. Anyone who says it is just a moronic teenager saying the new word they learned just because it annoys people.
In before one of the idiot teenagers calls me a triggered cuck.

>>152254705
So sayeth the normalfag.

>>152251784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6jy78tV78

>>152255275
>cucks watching cucks
P O T T E R Y

>>152255011
Dude there's blood, crying, they have no clue what to do, and ends up being awkward and unfulfilling

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>>152234735
If someone tried to make an anime with the same imagination of the 80's and 90's and free of these modern fictional principles would the anime sell?

I've come to see more and more people really getting tired of seeing the same otaku pandering shit over and over again. It's just like Hollywood.

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>>152255899
Yes, and? You could simply be regurgitating what someone else said. And if you're not, you're a normalfag.

>>152230463
>80s/90s didn't have lolis
AHAHAHAHA
The lenghts normalfags go to justify their preferences for old things never stops being amazing.

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>>152256905

>>152256905
Why are you afraid of breasts?

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>>152230463
In the 80s/90s the target market wasn't fat losers in their mother's basements who were scared shitless of females older than 15.

>>152230463
they follow modern trends i guess

>>152257014

I'm honestly more distracted by that beautiful flowing hair than her titties, though they are nice.

>>152250336

anyone with a brain doesn't bother responding to typical retro/modern bitching threads because it's just spewing nothing but stupidity and ignorance on both sides

otaku no video should be forced watching for posting on /a/

>>152230463

xenoestrogen

>>152232375
>those stockings

Ho mah dick

>>152238707

What are you suggesting?

>>152247195
>Explain the tons of CCS porn.
Expect another huge batch of CCS porn come out next year when the anime sequel starts.

>>152256675
I dont know what to tell ya, I'm just glad that doesn't really happen after highschool any more

>>152261877
Feel free to leave anytime, normalfag. You don't belong here and no one cares about your sexual history.

>>152261976
Hey I was just explaining why the shift towards the "pure" teen girl character and subsequent domination in anime is the dumbest thing around. Reminds me how some idols got death threats or some shit when they got boyfriends

>>152254572
>lina
>flat

never was. Small yes, but not flat.

Sogna was the best.

>>152262210
It's because we aren't living in the 1990s where or before. Back in the day people had no idea how slutty women were, so they all seemed kinda demure and innocent if they could keep they act up. Now with facebook the reality of living in a materialistic, vapid society has set in and interpersonal interaction has crumbled even farther, while at the same time everyone is broadcasting their unfulfilling materialistic lives.

Women will always be women, but at least we pretended that wasn't the case in the past. No hiding it now. No surprise dudes are going for 2D when you can run a girl's name like a VIN number and see how many chads have been inside her.

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90's was the best style

>in b4 saber marionette j cherrypicking

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>>152239585
lol you gay nigga

>>152246339
You are shit

>>152230463
>lolis are not sexual
You didn't watch many old shows I guess, if anything they were way more sexualized than they are right now.

>>152236718
/pol/ is just a boogeyman used to censor any right leaning views.

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>>152236843
best taste

80 > 10 > 90 > 00 > 70

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>>152246793
>Americans can never fully culturally invade Japan's Entertainment industry

90s anime is VERY influenced by american feminism tho, any fanservice is in line with what feminist women can accept, this part is what's gotten so much better since. They are no longer adapting to the american worldview.

But this doesn't mean '00 anime was good, it was mostly shonen shit for actual kids, save for Gits, last few years started getting out of that and I feel it's worth watching anime again.

>>152230463
it all went to shit after lucky star

>>152266389
>90s anime is VERY influenced by american feminism tho
Care to elaborate?

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>>152266389

>>152266447

There's a focus on strong independent women and showing off females in a way that only focuses on what they like. If you see a beauty contest like in the pic
>>152266389
it's in the americanized style, it's all about worshipping women and completely safe from a feminist view. They like shoving their tits in others face to show it off knowing you'll have to obey their every whim if you want to touch them. Sailor Moon manages to use outfits that may be sexualized if worn in real life, but in the show it's impossible to find it interesting.

I had gotten used to it and got really surprised over the one (1) panty shot in sailor moon crystal, it felt ground breaking for the series, actually acknowledging they have a male audience, even if it was a split second.

>>152230463
They stopped sucking the Western cock.

Hi, I too am new, is this the thread where we present ourselves?

>>152266447
If you don't see it you're fucking retarded.

>>152239585
Even though I don't like sluts like the one in Megazone 23 you are a gigantic faggot and shouldn't be allowed near anime and manga, or any form of art.

>>152248856
>implying keijo's girl aren't grannies already

>>152239585
They are too fat.

>>152268100

how to we stop 2D from getting fat?

>>152264387
>VIN number
What?

>>152230463
Animators were younger then, they didn't know what happens to 3dpd women when they get older outside of their mom who are usually caring.

Now they're in top positions and don't want anything to do with older women. So their influence goes a long way in dictating trends.

>>152270216

I don't know the specfics of whatever country that is but I guess like checking the number of owners a used car has had?

>>152230463
>What brought the change?
>Was it Evangelion?

No one in Eva was a virgin except for maybe the nerd and class rep. Azumanga really kicked off the cute girls doing cute things era. It's hard to say exactly. Love Hina was also pretty big at the time.

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>>152236307
>Feminism is in decline and islamism is spreading, so removing the big tit women is a worldwide trend

>Blaming Islam for a bunch of rich and well off white people from San Francisco getting upset over sexy women in fiction because activism is trendy but they don't want to get too deep and actually have to do something.

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>>152265001
Luchs is best SMJ

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>>152273773

IKEA removed all females in their catalogue last year when they released it in the arab world. I've noticed similar things done by other companies. Small girls can still be included because under islamic laws they don't need to cover up before they're 12 or something.

That's how you end up having pics of only grown men and little girls in ads. It's subtle so maybe you don't notice it, I haven't seen any SJW complain about this, there's still females shown and no tit pics sexualizing women, so maybe they haven't noticed the lack of adult females yet.

It's probably more relevant in europe then the US currently, but with anime being made for an international audience it's easy to see how the lolicon fanservice overlaps with islamic ideals AND the feminists who don't want the female body sexualized.

Can't get more politically correct than pic related. Girls in one piece swimsuits breaking gender roles playing like boys, and almost no tits at all. And this is still a fanservice episode.

>>152276206

That's a cute boogieman you have there but when I get on the internet I don't see Muslims complaining about anime and video games. It's always white people. When I turn on my TV or go to a news site and see people complaining about things from Japan being WEIRD AND UNACCEPTABLE it's white people.

Take responsibility for your idiots and stop blaming others.

>>152276905

I was pretty clear that this is done by westerners. They're afraid to offend muslims so they censor everything. That's the problem and that's what I'm pointing out. I don't care what muslims think and I didn't say anything about them censoring anime either, I'm targeting the enablers - white people (and japs if they go along with it), just like you said.

And that's half of it, the other half is feminism, but you seem to have missed both points completely. I already know muslims can't be reasoned with so targeting them with criticism is a waste of time.

>>152277190
>They're afraid to offend muslims so they censor everything.

That's not what's happening at all. You're still trying to indirectly scapegoat Muslims. White people don't give actually give a fuck about Muslims. When they protest fictional breasts they're doing it for themselves to feed their egos and savior complexes.