Is fansubbing dead?
Yes.
Although Bloatgirls was a case of nothing of value was lost
>>152181224
Yeah. crunchyroll probably killed it.
When you go to a subgroup's site and find that they've retired because it's been too long and they've lost interest and moved on, this kind of shit makes me depressed.
New fansub group when?
The only thing that I know these people did was Ro-Kyu-Bu!
Horriblesubs gets almost everything with fast speed and decent subs, and if a show falls through the cracks, there will ALWAYS be fan subbers ready to pick it up, who is easy for them compared to the old days. This is much better than only relying on fansubs
>>152181881
I think a big part is that there is no glory in it anymore. Crunchy/horriblesubs pumps out pretty much everything each season, at decent enough quality. It's not like 2007 where you had 12 fan sub groups on RSS Feeds to see if your show dropped.
>>152181224
as dead as /a/
>>152181234
This tired complaint about Coalgirls looks very quaint now that disk and bandwidth is cheap. I guess that this certifies the oldfags, but it isn't 2008 anymore boys.
>>152182556
The problem is that they are both shit, id rather watch commie than shitsubs
>>152181224
good
fansubbing was cancer on par with reaction faces memes
>>152182611
>fansubbing was cancer
It was literally the only way we could watch anime at one point though.
>>152182523
There are shows that fall through the cracks and don't get subs. Especially longrunners. There are like 50 episodes of PriPara that will probably never be subbed
>>152182578
You can call them shit as much as you want, but crunchy is very good considering their speed, quality and amount of shows. Yeah they are gonna have a typo or translation error every once in a while, but a lot of groups did.
>>152182611
>I started watching anime in 2013
>>152182653
Have you considered GITing GUD?
>>152181224
>piece of shit losers cant even do a proper encode oOo
>Bloatgirls gonna BLOAT!
>>152182569
>2008
newfaggot
>>152182726
If I had the dedication to learn Japanese I wouldn't be wasting my life watching cartoons for four-year-old Japanese girls
>>152182611
hey miles
I can't post White Pixel by Coalgirls anymore, 4chan says it's a virus now.
>>152182396
Loliball was super fucking overrated. Show deserved no viewership.
I said it.
>>152181224
As long as HorribleSubs lives, so does fan subbing.
http://horriblesubs.info/2014/10/we-are-a-fansub-group/
>>152182751
The only bloat in their encodes is flac audio, which is for people with decent sound systems. I personally use the Schiit stack with HD600's so I enjoy the flac audio, but it does massively increase the filesizes.
>>152181224
CoalGirls aren't fansubbers. They are rippers.
Why the fuck are rippers dying?
And why the fuck is E-D of all groups still alive?
>>152182768
You're doing things backwards. You watch raw anime to learn Japanese, no the other way around.
>>152181224
>coaltranny
>subbing
>>152182794
>believing FLAC does anything over a decent audio codec
Audiophiles are not human.
>>152182796
I think Exiled, will stay alive forever just due to their dedicated IRC circlejerk.
I hope herkz kill himself next
>>152181224
There's no point anymore.
You can't stroke your epeen when crunchy beats you to the punch all day.
>>152182671
>not planning a trip to Shisogapo
I've been waiting for new Patalliro subs for over a year now I think.
Thank god for Crunchy.
>>152182794
Nah, most of the bloat came from the video itself because Tenshi was an incompetent moron who couldn't encode for shit and just threw more bandwidth to cover his mistakes.
Although having 5.1 dual audio flac didn't help either
>>152181224
You ask this during a season where fansubbing is saving one of the top shows currently airing. That's not dead; that's happening right now.
Last season, we had anons doing fansubs on this very board.
Fansubbing might be crippled and hospitalized, but it won't completely die until the older generation of anime fans literally die IRL.
>>152181224
amazon strike, crunchyroll, funimation. There's no point desu.
>>152182822
Its a mixed bag of shit with audio encodes. It truly depends on the equipment used for the initial audio recording, encoding of audio always has artifacts since there is no perfect analog->digital conversions.
Flac audio just minimizes the chance of artifacts by not compressing them
>>152182578
>i'd rather watch commie
with commie you pretty much have to listen to the audio to make sure it actually has ANYTHING to do with the subs. may as well just watch raw desu
>>152182932
is there anything to be lost once the current crop of anime fans die?
>>152182671
>translation error
ore wa ore dakedo na --> I'm still pretty dandy
This trash quality of translation is commonplace, and it's not an error.
>>152181464
>raise the cost of living
>raise the cost of education
>keep salaries the same
>people have to work longer to maintain their more expensive lifestyles
>people no longer have the time or energy to pursue hobbies that will make things free or cheaper for everyone else
>with options limited, people have no choice but to depend on corporations
>illuminati keikaku doori
Fansubbing's been dead for years. Sooner or later HS will be telling people to subscribe to CR or they'll get DMCA'd by them. Nobody really wants to spend the time or energy learning moon and not even get paid for it so best start emailing Funi and CR on which shows you want to buy from them if it's obscure shit.
>>152182890
They can compete with delay subs, like Urara Meirochou this season which is being subbed by some anons within around 12+ hours of airing.
>>152183001
Nostalgiafags
>>152182932
>fansubbing is saving one of the top shows currently airing.
and what show might that be, anon?
>pirates are finally dying
Good, desu. You're all second class citizens compared to those who actually support the industry.
>>152182796
>why is the R1 DVDrip group still around
they can automate the entire process and only have to buy DVDs and stuff them in a computer.
>>152183028
think he's talking about Little Witch.
>>152183057
>Anyone outside Japan
>Making a noticeable difference to the Anime industry
>>152183057
Miles pls go. CR doesn't do shit to help the industry.
>>152183097
>>152183093
>appeal to futility
>>152183009
>Point the contradictions of capitalism
>It's the illuminati
C'mon, man.
>>152182961
>encoding of audio always has artifacts since there is no perfect analog->digital conversions.
you're one of those people that think digital waveforms look like stair steps aren't you
Since there's no longer much need for fansubs of seasonal anime what's left of the scene should move on to translating unsubbed shit from the past. We still don't have Gamba no Bouken, Kasei Yakyoku, Yama Nezumi Rocky Chuck, Minky Momo, Hidamari no Ki, Heidi, Mama wa Shougaku 4nensei, Babel Nisei, Haikara-san ga Tooru, Majokko Meg-chan, Konpeki no Kantai, Kyojin no Hoshi, so much other shit we need way more now than we needed four versions of the same show back when fansubbing mattered
>>152183117
You're crazy if you don't believe they're not at the head of the couple of corporations controlling the entire world's economy.
They're in the arms of the angels now.
>>152183169
I didn't say that ain't true.
I'm just saying that the true problem is with capitalism itself.
>>152183398
ANOTHER ONE DEAD, CAN DAIZ BE STOPPED?
>>152183459
Daiz will finally be done when japan stops making anime.
>>152183459
literally who?
>>152183015
I mean, it's easy to sub badly fast
just look at asenshi's LWA
>>152183914
Stop falseflagging, Daiz.
>>152183097
Over 50% of CR's revenue goes back to the the Japanese rights holders. The revenue each show gets is based of the number of views.
>>152181234
The bloatgirls meme is retarded.
They were "bloating" by using 10bit, everyone nowadays uses 10bit.
There is no bloat in their releases you mongoloid
>game
Fags
>>152184239
>overseas is less important than 2008 and before
>implying CR makes a dent
One shitty part about fansubbing dieing is we will be slower about being on the bleeding edge of encoding. Like the 8bit ->10bit shift and HEVC / H.265
It won't be long before they crack down on HS, for one thing 4chan is a well known place now and nothing here is even remotely out of the view of the people who run crunchy and funi and all that shit. It will happen, just as surely as fansubbing and scanlators started getting DCMA and shit, times have changed.
>>152184790
Daiz introduced 10bit to the anime community and then fan subbing died. Coincidence?
>>152184417
I thought they bloated because they used lossless audio and upscaled releases.
>>152184417
>"This show seems to compress well. So I added in additional bitrate overkill for 1080p and 720p."
>routinely upscaling 574 to 1080
>triple FLAC audio
>2 gigs for 20 minutes
Why do you lie to yourself about things that are objectively true?
>>152183965
What's wrong with them?
>>152182611
>hating reaction face memes
Get a load of this guy
>>152184794
There will always be one group out there to take over. Even if its for a couple years. I don;'t think fan subbing is going to die any soon until only one language exist
How do I learn skills required for sub groups? Don't know Japanese
>>152184764
From the chart it seems exactly like widespread high-speed internet + torrents cut hard into their overseas business actually.
Not sure though. I think it's one of those things where, speaking personally, if it wasn't free I just wouldn't watch it
>>152185009
Learning Japanese is the hardest part, encoding video is rocket science according to Daiz, typesetting and timing is the easiest job
>>152182907
I love me some old anime but, my god, those eyes are scary as fuck
>>152183169
>material conditions make X happen
>it's a conspiracy
This is what happens when you let the government demonise organised labour.
>>152185073
Encoding video is trivial if you know what you're doing and aren't some idiot that gets super spooked at command line interfaces.
Finding the OPTIMUM ENCODING and such is not trivial, but not required either.
>>152182822
Why don't more groups focus on putting out better quality translations than HS/CR rather than trying to get them out as quickly as possible
I'd gladly wait longer for better quality subs than be forced to watch the HS release
>>152185585
Because you are the minority.
>>152185585
Might as well wait for the BD/DVD if you're gonna go this route.
>>152185503
I feel sorry for the goats.
>>152185658
I usually do
>>152185585
Because most of the audience don't care about quality.
>>152185658
Yeap, if you really want proper quality, might as well just get BD.
>>152181224
Reminder that CR subs are total garbage, even worse than Commie meme subs. Amanchu was ruined by CR's garbage
>Anime-Keep is dead
>Anime Empire is dead
>AnimeOne is dead
>ANBU is dead
>Ayako is dead
>Eclipse is dead
>Dattebayo is deadbelieve it
>gg is deadsort of
>Static Subs is dead
>Live-Evil is dead
>Anime-Kraze is dead
>The Triad is dead
>Menclave is dead
>Anime-Junkies is deadlol
I know I missed a shit ton, but god damn do I miss those days. Back when you had tons of fansub groups are competing against each other. 2000-2010 was a magical time.
>>152185776
>gg is deadsort of
There's no sort of. They've all gone full normalfags, koda especially. I highly doubt they're even going to bother with Code Geass.
>>152185585
Most people don't know Japanese and judge the quality of a translation by how many memes are in the script. It's why people unfairly rank Commie low when they have a masterful grasp of English, beautiful encoding, and excellent typesetting. Just a few memes and people will rank you low.
>>152185776
At least we dont have to worry about finding the best subs for each show at the start of every season anymore.
>>152185838
Fuck you
>>152185776
>all of these fansubbers, gone
>I'm still here shitposting
I thought I'd be a normalfag one day and eventually leave this place...
>>152185899
There is literally no reason to hate commie. This is why fansubbing is dying/ People are ungrateful to the few fansubbers left.
>>152185838
>baiting this hard
>>152185838
>Just a few memes
>>152185933
>>152185838
which commie staff member is this
>>152185933
actually fansubber tears are the reason i stopped watching fansubs
>waaah u guys dont appreciate our shit
i realized that i couldn't support the abuse of these noble fansubbing people, so now i just watch CR. it's kind of like going vegetarian.
>>152185993
>it's kind of like going vegetarian.
Not really, it's like you pay so you'll get your share of sperm without having to suck fansubber dick
>>152181224
>fansubbing
But Coalgirls never subbed. They just slapped other people's subs onto their bloated encodes.
>>152185073
>>152185221
>encoding
>typesetting
>timing
so guides for each?
>>152186061
Not really a point to it. Every fansub group has plenty of people who can do that stuff, the limiting factor is always people who can speak Japanese
> checked the thread
> still no obligatory "shopping mall of fansub" image
Whoa guys.
>>152185920
We can never truly leave, anon. I'm sad to see the death of fansubbing but it had to happen at some point. Meanwhile, anime is still being made and someone needs to tell people that they like shit.
I just wish CR/Funi subs weren't so awful and bland. Like they could do the v1 speedsubs for the kids who can't wait but do a batch re-release later with more accurate translations. If nothing else, fansubbers can do that. Surely it would take less time to edit a script for errors than translating the whole episode from scratch. That and karaoke. God I miss OP/ED karaoke. It really made it feel like a labor of love.
>/a/ hates CR
>it's still alive to this day and unstoppable
>>152186244
I will stop CR
>>152185838
>they have a masterful grasp of English
http://unanimated.xtreemhost.com/wall-of-shame/?i=1
https://unanimated.github.io/wall-of-shame/but-the-extent-of-herkz.htm
>>152186204
>do a batch re-release later with more accurate translations
Remember, in the end, it's a business. Most of their customers don't care and are satisfied with it. There's little to no point to put extra effort for that small gain from the small group who cares. Also, better TLs mean they'd have to hire better TLer which means higher pay. Legit good TLer aren't going to bother otherwise since they can get better gig at some MNCs.
Finally, CR also claims that some of the scripts are provided to them by the nip sources and they are legally obliged to use them.
how do we destroy CR?
>>152186204
Is CR actually lucrative? I'm actually afraid that they may go the way of Tokyopop. If that happens, will there still be people willing to put up fansub groups? Ten years ago is a very different landscape, and I very much doubt that the retired subbers will be returning.
fansubbing is dead
death of scanlation when
>>152185067
I think it's also because anime became more otaku pandering and there is less anime that appeals to westerners and gets broadcasted on TV and shit(especially movies) to attract new viewers. The height of western revenue is pretty much from those weebs created in the late 90s when there was more anime on TV and VHS for teenage normies to get hooked on (dbz, all the movies like gits, akira, vampire hunter d etc).
The stuff that comes out nowadays is not very marketable to general audiences in the west apart from the rare ghibli movie and I feel like it reaches a more niche demographic than 15 years ago.
>>152186540
This is great, isn't it? You'd think any given medium would become more and more accessible to a wider audience over time, but anime does the opposite.
>>152186352
admit defeat
CR and Fakku are the future of weeb scene. There is actually not a whole lot you can do about that guys
>>152186504
Can you really say that scanlation is alive when it takes years and 4 groups of people to finally finish one manga?
All the scanlations I follow are either dead or on a really long hiatus. One is constantly bitching about bad quality scans when asked why there are no releases and only 2 isn't a webmanga that caught up with the origin.
>>152182611
>on par with reaction faces memes
>it was our thing until normalfags took it and shat all over it
Kind of accurate
>>152186612
>Fakku
ever since they set up Fakku gold accounts or whatever the fuck it is, everyone I know who used it left. I'm surprised that its still even up
>>152183135
...
They do though. You've gotta zoom in real close on the time scale, but you can see the individual steps on an oscilloscope.
>>152186540
>>152186600
This is bullshit. Westerners watch more anime than ever.
That's the whole point, every western normie watches whatever's on Netflix, Cruncyroll, illegal stream sites who just upload horriblesubs rips etc and there's less demand for fansubs.
>>152186735
is this why Funi lowered their stream prices?
oh wait they didn't.
>>152185503
What's he listening to?
>syd* 12 when?
The groups I'm the most sad to have lost are SAGE, UTW, Vivid, GotWoot and rori (which doesn't even have the site up anymore)
>>152186757
Some shitty noises made by a Hilti.
>>152186757
Last known recording of his dead mother.
>>152186753
Funi and CR are business partners who get the lion's share of licensing agreements. Why lower your price when you're effectively the only game in town?
>>152186282
Yeah, I know the monetary reasons behind what they do. It just feels bad to see my hobby succumb to a shitty business model. If only the world could run on positive thoughts and dreams.
>>152186753
netflix even raised their basic subscription with 2$ last year so I don't see your point
>>152186793
>It just feels bad
>If only the world could run on positive thoughts and dreams.
Learn moon. 'Feels' mean nothing. Anyone can cry about feeling bad and talk about dreams. Learn japanese and then realize that you don't need to give a damn about CR etc.
I miss competent and well intended translation notes.
The kind that would opt to introduce a concept in a clear fashion instead of half assing an incompetent translation because it was the closes thing.
>>152186834
I know some. I have a little formal training plus what I taught myself. I can at least get the gist of anime that don't stray into technical stuff. It's a long process though and I'm not particularly patient.
One day I will be good at it. Until then I wish CR wasn't so fucking shit.
The scanlation group who does Bakuon subbed the BD shorts so I guess if a group loves their stuff they will find a way?
>>152185776
Most of these groups are overrated or genuine garbage.
I'm so glad FUNi has an agreement with Crunchyroll to stream their video now. Their video encoding and subtitle text rendering were atrocious.
>>152182794
>The only bloat in their encodes is flac audio, which is for people with decent sound systems
Wrong. It's for sounds with high production value. Certainly not animu's for which ACC is plenty enough
>>152185776
remember the watamote typeset, OP & ED?
That was the shit
I wanted to post it one last time, although it hasn't been needed in years.
>fansubs
>>152187124
>quality but slow
I miss UTW, especially with all the fateshit starting to come out again.
>>152186451
I mean, is YouTube lucrative?
It's just a streaming website with basic translations for shows.
>>152183321
holy shit... muricans are so ugly
>>152187228
3DPD, everyone is ugly
does anyone have the screenshot of the person saying a bad engrish "thankyou" but the tl notes are trying to comprehend why they're saying 3 and 9?
>>152187228
>>152186735
There's still a demand for quality fansubs from people who aren't, and I hate using this term, casuals and underage faggots.
Given the choice between watching an HS rip or waiting 24 hours for some decent speedsubs I would choose the latter, if it was still an option. The sole problem with be that nowadays anons would just watch the immediate rip and you'd be a day behind in discussion threads, if you still cared about them.
>>152181224
Yes. You have official sites supplying almost everything almost immediately and HS ripping them just as quick, so there is no point in volunteers doing it for free anymore. Things might change in a few years as CrunchyRoll et al attempt to crack down on pirating, but I can't see it happening. Sad really, another small part of community spirit killed off by commercialism.
Luckily the manga industry is too big for YenPress or anyone else to ever dominate, so there will still be a need for "fansubs" there.
>>152187151
This is a passive aggressive trollsub made by members of the fansub cabal, most likely gg folks.
>>152182671
They're fucking professionals. If they were fansubbers I'd excuse an error or two, but when they're getting paid to do their shit they'd better do it right.
>>152185585
Because no one outside of /a/ autists cares anymore, and it's hard to keep going when it feels like you're just pushing releases into a void.
Why waste my life subbing shit no one will even watch because it's a day late when I can waste it doing stuff I actually enjoy more?
>>152185849
Which reminds me that
>ji-hi.net is dead
>>152181464
>they've lost interest and moved on
Sad that so many so-called "fans" do this. I guess they are just outing themselves as the normies they really are.
>>152186504
It's probably a good thing if it gets more people to learn Japanese.
>>152187299
The point is, the demand is too small to justify the hard work.
I mean, just take pic related as random example. HS rips has hundreds of seeds, fansubs have under 20. And that's from nyaa, let alone the tens of thousands of casuals who don't even bother and just watch whatever shows up on kissanime or anime2watch.net or other disgusting shit
Who here is an early CR member?
>tfw CR is but a shadow of what it was
>>152187462
Anon, time goes on.
>>152187462
Lost interest in subbing doesn't mean they also lost interest in anime, you entitled fuck. The fact they even subbed in the first place makes them less of a normalfag than you.
>>152187334
The funny thing is that even companies like Dark Horse who are really reasonable about most things have a huge stick up their ass about scanlators. I used to run a group that worked on stuff that I guarantee would never get licensed for distro, and their attitude at a panel I went to was really offputting, like they actually believed that people like me were actively stealing food from their table when none of these companies even scratch the surface of the amount of untranslated manga that's out there. It's really odd to me that the anime side was the one to reach out and basically hire a bunch of fan translators to populate CR's staff when there's a much more direct competition due to the smaller number of titles and much more room for realistic bad blood. I mean, the VN localization industry just straight up buys fan translation scripts from time to time. If the localized manga market weren't so easily over saturated I'd say they're shooting themselves in the foot by being so stubbornly black and white about things.
>>152187462
>normies
I don't think you've got much room to talk about this subject.
>Time intensive work with zero pay, was thankless, and brought tons of drama no matter what is dying out.
Shocking.
>>152187489
You mean when they hosted fansubs, before they turned coat and assisted in handing out DMCAs to the people who provided their content before they went legit? The roots of CR are one of the reasons I can't ever really see myself giving them money.
>>152186352
Daiz tried.
>>152187479
Preaching to the choir, I totally understand why fansubbers wouldn't feel like doing it in this day and age.
>>152187489
>Who here is an early CR member?
Every newfag who showed up here around 2010 or after.
>>152186757
Jazz on headphones that cost $2749. The pricetag causes the most pain.
>>152185838
>they have a masterful grasp of English
Then why are they trying to translate japanese cartoons?
>>152187643
>jazz
Found the problem, no way he wouldn't be wincing.
>>152187479
That's still about 10%. A huge audience.
But you're right, fansubbers do it for e-peen, not out of passion for providing quality releases.
>CR simulcasts almost all new titles this season
>Only 1 new title is available on Asia and it's a short
They should give their members on Asia a huge discount for this.
>>152185658
>>152185731
Not all titles have their BD/DVD freely uploaded though so you have to import the BD/DVD yourself.
what's A.F.K. subbing nowadays?
>>152184902
last timeI check, 24 minutes video are often sold at 6-8GB large
We live in an era where what is new is interesting and worth talking about, while that which is old is irrelevant. And anime, which is a mass entertainment media that churns out a hundred new shows each year with lots of rehashed content, makes it so that you really don't need to be too invested in the slightly older kinds of shows when you can simply watch the newer ones that will somehow have a semi-popular trope or meme from it referenced anyway.
Whoever is the first wins. Period.
>look at comment section on Asenshi's LWA release
>Herkz going on about how shit it is and how he uses superior Netflix master race raws
>some moderator stroking his epeen
>there are too many stupid people to stop the cartel
>Coalgirl dead
>thora dead
Whos next?
>>152188752
hopefully HS
>>152188693
>>some moderator stroking his epeen
The only other moderator (apart from herkz) to post on the torrent was joletb, one of Asenshi's encoders/timers/typesetters.
>>152188752
I honestly hope all of the fansub-groups will cease existing, and that in a few years or so, a new generation of fansubbers will come out who will not care about recognition, but doing fansubs for the fans by the fans.
They should all be anonymous.
>>152188782
Stupid nigger
>>152186244
So is there is anyway that CR would die or something like that?
Start learning japanese
>>152188829
I wouldn't bet on it
>>152188829
Only a larger and stronger corporation that pays more money to the licensors could kill Crunchyroll. And Crunchyroll is backed by a bunch of Chinese and Japanese companies as well, so it would really need something like Amazon or Netflix or Google to displace them.
>>152188787
I must have mixed it up with the other release.
>>152188829
Why does it matter if cr dies or not? Chances are, you'll be torrenting off HS anyway. Fansubs or official subs, you're still getting your cartoons for free. And if it's about TL quality, it's not like the old fan subbers are better. Or rather, there are a few groups that are good while a lot are mediocre, bad or Hadena. As for those few shows with not cr/funi releases, well, it's not like fansubs does all the shows back then anyway. If anything, we've got more stuff subbed now.
>>152188999
At least CR offers switching Subs between different languages.
Google/Amazon sell movies in the local Language and that's it. No subs. No way to get the English version.
>>152188999
But CR still has one glaring flaw:
Shitty series pages for Series unlicensed in the Region and intransparency regarding Regions it is licensed in.
Even Youtube allows you to query where a video is licensed.
>>152181224
>Coalgirls
>fansubbing
>>152189146
Of course it has flaws. Never said it didn't. The point is, what of the alternatives? They had their own set of flaws as well and that overall, they weren't outright superior to cr. Other than learning moon, that is. In fact, bickering about cr vs fansubs is kind of a dead game. Learning japanese is the way to go if you don't want to compromise.
>>152189146
Why is that an issue when like the other guy said, you're (as in the typical /a/non) just going to torrent it?
>''''''''''''fansubbing''''''''''''
All that has happened in the last few years are literally CR/Funi hardcode rips that are edited and released as "fansubs."
You, the consumer, will never know the difference without knowing the language. There may be a few egregious edits(Comeme) that actually get you to do it, but by and large you have no reason to put in the effort. Thus "fansub" groups currently have no reason to put in the effort.
Just load up your favorite Comeme member's twitter to see how bloated their egos are that they can into Japanese and supply X CR/Funi edit to the masses and shit on other people's subs to make themselves feel good about "helping the community" when their edits are poor and they only look to put down the community - especially newer sub groups that you will never hear of because they aren't on NT or were shitposted off NT by comeme&friends.
> Google releases app that translates movies and animes in real time
> slider for how exact you want the translation
> interfaces with your Japanese learning app and doesn't translate words you already know
> mines words you don't know and adds them to your Japanese learning app
> after one season of watching animes with Google's new integrated translation and study system you are fluent in Japanese
The future is coming bois
>>152189322
That's really one of those things that will change intercommunication worldwide.
There will be a day when software comes out that makes machine translation on par with that of professional translators.
The future is inevitable and progress stops for nobody.
>>152188829
Netflix. They're very, very slowly building a library of already localized anime (subs/dubs).
It's just a matter of time before Netflix realizes there's a decent weeaboo market in USA/EU and starts hiring previous fansubbers to do the work for them and buying licenses to stream anime from Japanese companies and committees.
>>152189497
That day is not going to come any time soon and in all likeliness, you will be dead beforehand.
who are the least shitty groups these days
>>152189522
Nah. Netflix really wants their very own titles, not just licenses.
They want live action TV series that belong to them, not ones they need to license from TV companies.
Same goes for cartoons and anime.
>>152189535
You sound bitter and angry about that already.
>>152189572
Bitter about what? I'm an EOP, magical machine translation like what you're talking about would be nothing but beneficial for me. I just don't think it's remotely realistic to think it'll happen within our lifetimes.
>>152189572
Nekrololita please, I know it's hard to accept the truth, but pretending that others is being angry and bitter isn't going to change things.
>>152189699
Stop eating and drinking too many unhealthy things, and you'll easily live 50 years longer.
>>152189572
Nah, you're just ignorant and delusional while he's being realistic. Translation is a lot more complex than you think.
>>152189730
It'll take more than 50 years for what you want to be a thing that actually works. Also, quit being lazy and just learn moon instead of relying on machines.
>>152189757
/djt/ is dead, and nobody cares about it anymore.
>>152189785
>/djt/ is the only way to learn Japanese
Commit suicide.
>>152186727
>Implying a human eye can perceive this if you need special equipment to even see the steps.
You really like your placebo don't you
>>152186735
I also thought most of the "oveerseas" income was from China
>>152189826
It's the only reason to care enough about learning the Japanese language for their manga and anime.
>>152189859
China dominates. Then comes the Western world, and then comes the rest of Asia, and then the rest of the remaining world.
>>152188921
amazon just started their anime service recently
But it doesn't have any freebies like CR does
>>152185920
>I thought I'd be a normalfag one day and eventually leave this place...
You know you're here foreverI am too ;_;
>>152189891
Brazil is up there too, as small of a population as they are relatively.
>>152189834
>Implying the human eye can perceive that shit at all
You hear with your ears dipshit.
But yea audiophiles that think they can not be the difference cause they're fucking retarded.
Doki is still going strong.
>>152189322
>>152189497
You're implying that Japanese is a language that can easily translated into another language without any awkward transliterations. All languages have their own nuance and quirks, in many ways the means in which we express ourselves in speech can be abstract, ergo impossible to translate literally.
I don't know Japanese but I'm learning Italian so I can give you a good example of this. In Italian they put "the" before possessive pronouns:
English:
>my cat
Italian:
>il mio gatto
>il
the
>mio
my
>gatto
cat
Italian:
>il mio gatto
Transliteration of Italian:
>the my cat
So you could be watching some Italian movie where a creep is fucking some guy's cat and the guy walks in and the subtitle will read:
>"Stop fucking the my cat!"
It would be nonsense, and because "the" is such a common word it's not as though you could program and translating machine to nullify it or ignore it.
This is even ignoring the obvious structural difference between every language where only Germanic languages would properly translate to English and not sound like nonsense.
tl;dr machine translations would never work and you needn't look further than google translate to understand as much
>>152190330
Just make better algorithms and improve on it.
Hopefully. Taking on projects that Crunchyroll already has a hand in is pointless and they rarely sub OVAs which is really what fansubs should concentrate on these days.
>>152190330
Yeah, but "il" can be easily extracted from the context, in this case the sex of the cat
IIRC google or micosoft recently demoed some translator which uses an intermediate language to adapt sentences.
Fansubbing is alive and well, if you know where to look.
egosubbing is dead though.
My plex server has been a bitch lately with not keeping Metadata and posters, and I'm getting tired of managing. Do I give in and get CR?
>>152182783
hereto loli shows are rare, I'll take what I can get
>>152190594
Nobody gives a shit, go fix your own crap.
>>152190594
no, you give in and fix your plex server
CR is just garbage
>>152190384
>>152190514
You'd imagine they could do that with google translate, yet here we are, it's still complete trash at translating complete sentences.
Also there are many things in language that is denoted through tone that doesn't translate to someone who isn't a native speaker of the language and couldn't be picked up by a computer, the best example of which would be a question. The distinction between a statement and a question (in most cases) is simply tone, something that an automated translator would miss.
>>152190703
It's going to be the next big thing, just like VR has been for few decades
>>152190703
With better programming comes better understanding.
>>152190703
Google Translate turned "il mio gatto" into "my cat", without the "the"
So, mission accomplished already?
>>152190703
Machine learning has come a long way.
>>152190703
>>152190849
Ahh, it translated "Du-te in mortii ma-tii" (word by word it would "Go to your mom's dead ones") as "Screw You".
Thanks god
>>152190703
There's little money to be made from Google Translate so they haven't bothered improving upon it. They're focusing on shit like smartphones, autonomous cars and robotics.
>>152181224
>not putting monogatari as priority
>>152191156
Google translate is interconnected with google chrome, the dominant browser.
>>152181224
The problem with fansubbers is that they're unreliable fucks. With Horriblesubs you know that you're getting the full series without random ass delays because some basement dweller's mom decided to kick him out, or some shit.
>>152181224
>coalgirls
First thing that comes to mind is the thought of sassy black women fansubbing anime.
>>152191156
>robotics
Not really, they bought boston dynamics and then put it up for sale again because they didn't really know what to do with them, despite all the robots they've designed in the last years.
>>152191269
>NUUH UUUUHHH ONII-CHAN
>>152191309
I didn't know they put it up for sale. I thought for sure they were going to use their tech for workforce automation and make a shitton of money from that
>>152186811
>Comparing Netflix with Funimation
LOL!
>>152182822
>Audiophiles are not human.
My nigga
>>152191455
It seems like you don't know google, they love shutting down their projects at random.
http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/visuel/2015/03/06/google-memorial-le-petit-musee-des-projets-google-abandonnes_4588392_4408996.html
The cause behind getting rid of boston dynamics was basically "we wanted some white robots with one button that just werk and instead they designed awesome terminators"
>>152191309
>buy the dudes that can make murder robots for the future state police orwellian nightmare that we will live in
>Sell them
k e k
>>152188803
Are you stupid? They will be like western release groups. Stupid and low quality.
>>152181224
>bloatgirls ded
And nothing of value was lost.
>>152191341
>WHO YOU THINK YOU IS YOU RATCHET-ASS BAKA
>>152185776
>>Live-Evil is dead
>Sun 8 Jan 2017
>Filename: [FroZen-EviL]_Yawara_-_018_[720p][Blu-Ray][DB3884F2].mkv
>Size: 751,207,003 bytes
>CRC: DB3884F2
>MD5: 210705d6f26a0669ea84a5eebc78a1f1
>Filename: [FroZen-EviL]_Yawara_-_019_[720p]>[Blu-Ray][4F840786].mkv
>Size: 773,337,157 bytes
>CRC: 4F840786
>MD5: 32141b4d0db9ec8656d451f1f63b15f4
>>152185776
I remember them. God I'm old.
Doremi is one of the oldest still active fansub groups, but /a/ hates them.
>>152191309
>Boston Dynamics got shorted on top of the ded of fansubbing
This is exactly what's wrong with this world.
>>152187228
they're fucking basement dwelling weeaboos ya dip
>>152193289
>but /a/ hates them.
Why?
>>152188829
There is but you would be swapping one evil for another.
Kissanime.
>>152193289
i-i like doremi though.
>>152193194
They aren't even that old.
The old stuff was those 420p files you downloaded either through XDCC or cryptload and you can't even remember which fansub group did it anymore.
>>152195005
Well I remember downloading Metropolis (2001), thinking "OK, it's only a movie. I'm not going to start downloading series form that animesuki site too, that'd be too much..."
>>152186277
Jesus fucking christ that's awful
Just out of curiousity, is herkz a native speaker of english? Please say no
>>152185067
more like overseas market took a hit when the anime bubble popped and companies like adv, geneon, tokyopop, etc closed up shop. retard.
>>152193289
They saved last season by subbing a show no one else did.
What's wrong with crunchy rolls's subs translation wise?
>>152184239
Both sentences are correct, but if you try make conclusion that more views for anime => more money for right holders of that anime you will be absolutely wrong.
CR pays fixed price for all of its licenses. It doesn't matter how much views a show will get, right holder already got his money before the show even started airing and he won't get a single penny from view counter. If you want to support some specific show then CR is not an option.
CR may help industry in general (just a little bit), but those money most likely will go to buying more licenses for fujoshit, battle harems, stupid action shounens and other shit.
>>152196401
>implying those companies didn't close up shop because their some of their most important customers fans were suddenly able to access their products for free
they didn't have much of a business in the first place, clearly indicated by their exorbitant prices, selling 30 minute VHS for $49.99 or 1 manga tank for $35. and they did most of their sales from physical retailers. i bet losing just a couple % of their revenues was enough to put them in the red
>>152185920
You can be a normalfag and still browse and post here, I have a gf and a job and am still here all day.No please don't call the mods...
Serious question now: approximately (and realistically) how long is it going to take to learn Japanese to understand at least half of what's going on in the anime? Obviously not talking about how to read kanji and whatnot, just the speaking part of it, and of course with English subs to help out.
That's how I learned most of my English anyway, watching English tv shows, music and playing video games with native and English subs.
>>152197452
Which then gets ripped by horriblesubs, which allows /a/ to talk about a show only half one or two hours later after the initial broadcast on Japanese TV.
Unless horriblesub fucks up again or their bot fails to rip the stream.
Unfortunately for all of /a/, this is a bad situation, because discussion of new content is now reliant on the service of a few entities.
If Crunchyroll actually manages to take down horriblesubs, we'll be back to the horrible shitty age of low-quality fansubbers only trying to bring out the fansubs for the most popular seasonal shows.
>>152188803
Yep, just wait till we have yify doing anime encodes
>>152198560
Doesn't that depend on how much attention you're paying?
>>152197808
You could be a normalfag and still not use surprise boxes like a faggot.
>>152199980
Sure, that's why I asked for an approximate time window. Personally I can do this like 3-4 hours a day every day. I've read somewhere that speaking part of Japanese is relatively easy to learn. Most of it comes down to the vocabulary of course but I don't consider memorizing words a big issue, especially when I'm going to hear them constantly while watching anime.
>>152188339
The translator was hired to do the Haruhi light novels and I'm sure he went on to other legitimate sh*t from there.
>>152198885
YIFY is dead though.
>>152182569
Just because HDD is cheap doesn't mean bloating is not retarded.
>>152201074
They are still actively releasing
>>152201124
The real YIFY died in 2015.
https://torrentfreak.com/yify-yts-shuts-down-the-end-of-a-piracy-icon-151030/
You're thinking of yts.ag, which is a different group from yts.to.
https://yts.ag/blog/yts-ag-is-the-real-yts-domain-for-a-new-yify-group
>>152182796
Actually CG are encoders. I ain't sure if they have ripped even a single disk.
>>152193289
>but /a/ hates them
But I don't?
>>152184417
Doesn't 10bit result in lower size though?
Manben needs an additional translator. The pilot episodes got extended reairs.
>>152183057
Come back and say that when shows are actually legally available where I live.
>You can not view this content in your region, pls go fuck yourself. regards CR
>PS, we won't sub your fav shows anyway because they're not mainstream shit. have a nice day!
>>152186766
rori's part of FFF, and all but two of Vivid's staff members exclusively subbed for Vivid
>>152193289
maybe it's because they can't even do children shows properly
>>152198560
You can(not) learn Japanese.
>watching old fansubs
>OP or ED stained with the retarded nick names of group members
At least this shit is over.
>>152205180
Yeah, but the character-colored subs and fancy karaoke OP/ED are gone too
HS is fucking dead once CR and Funi up their DRM to Netflix/Prime level. I don't understand why they haven't done this already.
>>152206261
Probably lots of difficult technical reasons, and might fuck up their catalog of older shows.
>>152207103
Apparently CR sticks to Flash because of subtitle rendering so yeah
What do we do when the guys that run HS die?
>>152207184
learn japanese and watch raws
>>152205473
good
Speed > Accuracy
>>152207184
use the next group that pops up. ripping from CR is easy so all that's left is distribution. money isn't a problem since people hurry to donate to HS every now and then.
>tfw you still are into anime despite fansubs comming and going
That's why i hate casuals
>>152197452
>CR may help industry in general (just a little bit)
No, sites like Cruncyroll actually helps a lot. You actually said it yourself in that same sentence. If Cruncyroll is just buying more shit that is still money that is being put back into the industry.
>>152206261
If herkz is able to rip Netflix and Amazon, then a dev with enough free time and dedication is able to.
>>152193289
Nice try, ain't falling for the daiz propaganda. I've seen daiz try to discredit maceart too many times.
>>152204831
>in a few years it will be pointless to know any
just you wait, baka gaijin
>and decent subs
No. I'm sure you've seen some of the horrors of CR, daisuki, funi etc. No sub group is perfect either, but I wouldn't hold the locations HS rip from to be the best and most accurate translations around.
>>152182671
HS/CR rips still have horrible bitrate issues (as usual wait for BDs for decent quality). They also still have a track record of over-localization (worse than commie) and some series (just last season) are completely botched and incomprehensible like it was machine translated and blatantly wrong. We've had groups over the years who made it their mission to make shitty over-localized subs and now it's what we mainly get. When people are more interested in speed, rather than quality and accuracy you get this slow decay. Fucking complacency.
Don't worry guys, [_WinD_], [a.f.k.], [yesy] and [ayu] will come back from the dead to save us from these dark times.
>>152211133
You don't need a dev for that. Just a capture card.
>>152214100
What you're getting with them is a re-encode of the original video source. That's not what you want when you're an encoder with standards.
Fuck this.
I'm willing to enroll uni to finish learning japanese, then start a fansub group later, the problem is that I want to stay safe, meaning that I don't want FUNi and friends on my ass all the time.
How does an onion site sounds from an anonymity standpoint? was this already tried?
>>152215032
>>152215118
d-don't give me that... what's your honest opinion? what concerns me the most is the on?io?n pr?otoc?ol's en?crypti?on, there were some rumors a while back about it getting cracked.
>>152215593
My honest opinion is that you're retarded and better off not subbing to begin with.
>>152215032
>enroll uni to finish learning japanese
>using onion site to tl Burmese moving scrolls
lol
>>152187541
>Diaz posting on Reddit
That explains everything.
>>152215643
>>152215748
whatever...
just fucking pay to crunchroll.
>>152215991
>pay
wew lad
>>152215032
>I'm willing to enroll uni to finish learning japanese
I hate to break it to you, but uni alone won't get you to the point where you can translate moon runes in context.
>Always had awful internet until 2012 so I never could download Anime, only Manga.
Nobody ever talks about the olden Manga translating days though, and how bad the translations actually were.
>>152216122
>how bad the translations actually were
>>152207600
>>152216122
I prefer not to think about them, honestly. All the terrible translations with no editing, no cleaning, wacky fonts, translations from JPN>CHN>???>ENG by people who don't speak English as their first language, irregular unannounced releases with no sites to aggregate them...
Honestly, a lot of those problems still exist with unpopular series.
>>152181224
>Aikatsu Stars
Someone else is doing this.
>Aikatsu
Already completed by someone else.
>Aikatsu Awards Show
Also been done by someone else.
>Gochiusa
Done.
>Sailor Moon
As if we needed them to do this.
>Yuru Yuri S3
Done.
That said, no, fansubbing isn't dead. Just less organized. Fans who care and can do it will do it. Being all digital today, it's surprisingly easy to do, compared to the days when you needed a Laserdisc player, a Genlock device, a computer to use with the Gnelock, and a mastering VCR, and that's even if you could get someone to translate for fun.
When one group slows down, another will pick up the slack. It's disheartening to see some of the old guard slow down on their output.
Poorfags downloading instead of using CR are literally the cancer killing anime
>>152218880
Tell CR to fix their shit then. I make enough money that I don't mind paying for a subscription, but whenever I'd try to watch a video it would buffer at various points in the show, which is unacceptable when I also have 110Mbps internet download speeds.
>>152218880
>$0.75 has been deposited in your CR account
>>152218880
Oh, that's rich coming from someone not buying BDs. Bitch, I support the industry in one purchase more than you do with god knows how many years of CR subscriptions.
>>152218880
>>152215991
>t. cr forum mods
cr wouldn't even exist if people weren't interested in subbed anime, it's like you forgot where cr even started, let me remind you: they monetized fansubs.
>>152219113
>supporting a retarded business model
That's just dragging a dead horse at this point.
I wonder why jap publishers don't just co-found their own streaming service instead of dealing with middleman jews.
>>152219241
>t. poorfag
See how that works? CR's model is shit too.
>>152219241
Daisuki exists.
>>152183057
>not buying the BDs
Truly horrifying.
The reason why fansubbing is losing popularity compared to 2 or 3 years ago isn't just cr, it's also the higher number of leechers and minimkv releases, who are directly related to each other.
Since southern Asia gained access to better but capped internet, the leechers increased by a tenfold, they don't seed to save bandwidth and they cause clog for everyone else. They tend to use bitrate starved release groups mostly, which they also recommend to friends who never get to know where the original release even came from.
Want to prevent the death of fansubs? rent a seedbox, they're cheap now anyway, you can find services who offer plans with over 1TB of file storage for very low prices and they even accept btc.
the worst thing about fansubs being dead is that bd extras don't get subbed any more, or if they do it's by some random guy and there's no way of knowing it happened unless you're checking nyaa every day