What are good examples of symbolism done properly in anime/manga?

>>152084194
Symbolism and imagery are not the same, numbnuts. Please finish high school before you post here.

>>152084241
>imagery
Anon, my OP pic is unrelated.

>>152084194
Penguindrum

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>>152084194
this doll in Oniisama e

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Hanayamata

>>152084194
It's all pretentious shit that takes up time that could have been used to actually make a good show.

Evan Jelly On!!

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>>152084770
>symbolism
>pretentious
This is a new low, /a/.

>>152084805
Not a single one of 'muh symbolism' shows /a/ lauds is actually good. The exception would be Madoka, which apparently a lot of people think is a 'muh symbolism' show, which if true then it's symbolism done right because it was subtle enough for me to not think "why are they wasting several seconds showing some irrelevant scene/image instead of using the time on the plot or characters instead" while watching it.

>>152084194
Flip Flappers.
The symbolism was so meaningful and deep that it didn't even need characters or plot, unlike Utena.

>>152084934
>i'm a retard
say it ain't so

>>152085016
>no argument
Symboltards, everyone.

>>152084934
>The exception would be Madoka
Oh, of course it would be a madotard.

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>>152085040

>>152084934
>Madoka
Literally discount Utena for edgy 14 year old.

>>152084194
Pic not related

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What does it mean?

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>>152085180
Puberty.

>>152085040
Not an argument.

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ITT: People who don't understand why Saionji was making eggs in the forest.

>>152085260
Saionji is created for bullying.

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Nothing tops this.

>>152085307
That's just shit writing.

>>152085260
Wasn't he expelled from the school or something?

>>152085354
Only if you're too stupid to understand it even after the meme TL note.

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learn from the masters

>>152085399
Yeah not a fan of this meme.
CG has garbage writing all around and that is just the icing on the shit cake.

>>152084934
This is entirely correct. I never understood why people think overloading simple messages with unnecessary symbolism is a good thing.
Symbolism should be subtle and it should add something to the content instead of being an end in itself. If you can tell all the time that a show uses symbolism without having to specifically look for it, chances are good the show is doing it wrong.

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Literally every frame of Eva
>inb4 m-muh Christian bullshit
No, mainly other symbols, but these too in a few instances

>>152085479
How does it feel being so stupid you couldn't even follow the events of a mainstream anime?

>>152085435
wow it's fucking water

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>they spend the first half of the series saying the catchphrase "Earth is the ring" while showing this
>swear it's symbolic
>halfway through the series, the MC flies to the stratosphere and bounces off the ropes

>>152084194
Kamikaze Douga's JoJo openings

>>152085552
Are you serious? That's fucking awesome

>>152085527
Again, I don't care about this meme.
Or about meme trainwreck shows in general.

>>152084934
>>152085503
Samefag

>>152085379
yep, apparently school is their entire life so he became homeless for a while.

>>152084624
Does this even qualify as symbolism when the main character is explicitly referenced as "ma chérie la poupée" by another main character, and several times at that?

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>>152085600
Other guy being a new IP should've told you it isn't, dumb newfag.

>>152084194
I don't pay attention to such things, I just watch waifus and follow the story.

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>>152085600
>The average "argument" of a symboltard

>>152085643
>le paint edit
Newfag.

>>152085633
There's other connotations than just the fact that the doll represents Nanako, though.

>>152085592
>I don't care
>just let me throw a tantrum and not back up my arguments over and over
Do you honestly think you're "cool" for being a contrarian retard? This isn't reddit, no need to feel pressured to "fit in" by parroting other retards.

>>152085675
(you)

>>152085675
>doesn't know about IP count
>calls others newfag
Whatever kid.

>>152085435
This is such a fucking stretch. Someone is really trying hard here, and went out of their way to cherry pick.

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>>152084194
EZ pick.

The wind of course.

>>152085697
>>152085719
samefag

@152085764
>uh oh better start shitposting to pretend I was pretending to be retarded all along

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>>152085764
enjoy the ban

>>152085805
>doesn't know how to quote
dumb newfag

>>152084478
I need to rewatch Lain.

>>152085686
I don't really need to explain anything. That scene is just one of the many example of shit writing in a meme trainawreck series, and all the overanalyzation is just a joke.
Assuming you took it seriously and aren't just pretending to be retarded, you're an idiot.

>>152085987
So many posts yet you've written so little. Save yourself some time and just write "no ur rong and dum".

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One of the anons who argued against pointless and too obvious symbolism in this thread here.

Here is an example for a manga that did it right.
It uses quite a lot of symbols and metaphors, but not in all contexts and most of them are not too obvious, so they actually aid in establishing the atmosphere, as for example the unsettling emptiness associated with Sudo through his white color scheme.

>>152084798
What does it mean?

>>152086026
I guess I shouldn't expect much from someone that takes LotGH for 10 year olds and decade old memes seriously.

>>152085725
It's not a stretch. It's Kyoani.

>>152086188
On the contrary, I expected you to back up your contrarianism with at least some kind of example but all you've done is say "lol r u srz i dun hav 2 xplain myself, meme meme trainwreck lol ur dum". Listen kid, you're not "cool" for being contrarian against mainstream anime and you're certainly not "cool" for bringing up LotGH.

>>152084770
But symbolism saves time, as instead of explaining things you can show them alongside with other things.

>>152084934
I'm sorry you have shit taste anon.

>>152086188
>>152086026
So, I bothered to read through your whole "discussion" up to the first post and I can safely conclude that you are both fucking faggots and need to leave. There hasn't been a single argument from either of you. So please take your shitty rambling elsewhere.

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>>152085040

>>152086279
>"lol r u srz i dun hav 2 xplain myself, meme meme trainwreck lol ur dum"
Holy shit, go back to /v/ or whatever other shithole you crawled out from.

>>152086372
>>152086354

>>152085354
How did you literally not understand that? You couldn't make the point they were getting across between the characters any more clear than that.

>>152086363
>HE'S GUILTY YOUR HONOR
>Okay can you provide some evidence to support this claim?
>WTF WHY DO I HAVE TO? HE'S GUILTY LIKE ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YOU SHOULD PROVE HE'S NOT GUILTY INSTEAD!
Retard.

>>152086389
Are you retarded?

>>152086409
Look, another retard.

>>152086429
Do you literally have the reading comprehension of a first grader? I said that you BOTH didn't give a single argument. Including him. Now fuck off.

>>152086479
I'm not the one that writes like a spastic child.

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>>152085435
Could this show be any more perfect?

>>152086515
The point is I don't have to make an argument, dumb shit. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim.
>american education

>>152084478
What do the red dots symbolize?

>>152086167
There was a huge amount of shots with spiky framing in this show, something about pressure and insecurity.
This shot basically inverted it to smooth and comfy framing since this was the episode where both girls really began to open up.
There's also a rebirth theme going on, guess this could count to it too, but i mostly enjoy this shot because it's probably the cutest things i've seen.

>>152086541
You certainly have the reading comprehension of one.

>>152086575
>the person who makes the claim.
So, you?
>>152085307

>>152085725
The fucking point in fucking symbolism is that it's always something to be interpreted.
As author had died, as long as the way you read something is consistent with whatever is presented in the work, then that reading can be considered valid, even when it's not intended.

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Fucking newfags don't remember Tenshi no Tamago when it aired

>>152086575
I have no idea which one you are, but both of you made claims.
>>152085307
>Nothing tops this.
Obviously a claim
>>152085354
>That's just shit writing.
Also a claim.
From there on nothing but insults.

Als I'm not even an american. But thanks for complimenting me on my english, I guess.

>>152086586
The bleed through of the wired into the real world and the incursion of subjective reality at the fringes, at least I think that's what a visual director who worked on the series said. Might be wrong about that.

>>152086662
>Direct release OVA
>Aired
?

>>152086623
>>152086685
You are actually retarded. You cannot quantify evidence to support a general claim like "x is the best" because to "prove" it you would need to bring up literally every other example in existence to do so, which is absurd. However, you can very easily make arguments on why something is bad, which is why an argument is demanded for these kinds of claims. This is why our justice system uses "innocent until proven guilty", where you need to prove someone committed a crime, rather than assuming they did and requiring an unreasonable amount of evidence to prove they're innocent.

Fuck's sake I would expect this kind of retardation from /v/, not /a/.

>>152086873
Retarded analogy.
So what if I claim that God is a giant pink pig situated in the end of the universe?
How do you disprove it?

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>>152085040
>behave like a retard
>people refuse to take you seriously and simply call you out for being a retard
>assume the intellectual higher ground regardless

The stopwatch just means that the previous X seconds of dialogue were important, right?

>>152086955
That's impossible to either prove or disprove so the argument is pointless, not to mention the fact that it is not a general claim, but a very specific one. For instance, if I had said "Code Geass' checkmate scene ranks #1 in the world" then I would have to bring up some chart or poll that supports this. Meanwhile would it be impossible to make an argument on why a scene is an example of shit writing? No? Then what's stopping you besides faggotry?

If this argument were a court case then I would be the one saying I'm innocent and you're saying I'm guilty, and you're basically ranting to the judge about how I'm guilty and you don't need to provide an explanation and in fact I have to explain why I'm innocent. I hope you are literally underage because being ignorant of how fucking arguments work is embarrassing for an adult.

>>152087073
>If this argument were a court case then I would be the one saying I'm innocent and you're saying I'm guilty
Again, retarded analogy.
This situation has nothing to do with innocent, guilty and court cases. You should have stated why according to you that scene was the best and you didn't.
Then you just started sperging like an idiot.

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>>152087302
How is it a retarded analogy? You made a retarded analogy with your god example and I explained why it was shit, and here you are two posts in a row just saying mine's shit with zero reasoning. Apparently you haven't understood a single word of what I've said either. Says a lot about your argumentative abilities. Go practice in /v/ or something kid.

This thread is fucking garbage

>>152087415
It's a thread for symboltards, what did you expect?

>>152087449
Fuck off moefag

>>152087415
This thread is great, as it's so easy to spot those who hated their middle school English classes.

>>152087392
Making a claim backed by 0 arguments isn't the same as declaring yourself innocent and asking the other to prove your guilt, retard. I have no idea where you pulled that from, did you run out of food analogies?
>>152087415
Tell me about it.

>>152086096
It's too bad the anime wasn't great.

>>152084194
>>looking for symbolism in manga or anime
>>symbolisim
>>manga/anime

You might as well look for vitamins in junkfood or try to find a treasure with gold.

>symbolism
>good
Literally the most overrated part of any medium

>>152087573
How is it not the same? Are you literally incapable of any kind of detailed argument? You just keep making claims without explanation over and over again, which is ironic considering you're trying to tell me off for this. Maybe you've just been projecting this entire time.

>>152086873
>You are actually retarded. You cannot quantify evidence to support a general claim like "x is the best" because to "prove" it you would need to bring up literally every other example in existence to do so, which is absurd.
Nitpicking is not gonna get you out of this. Just because you frame something as "x is the best" instead of "x is good" doesn't mean you don't have to give any arguments for it. Rather I could ask you why you made a claim which is impossible to prove or disprove in the first place, when this is obviously the death of any discussion when taken seriously, which apparently you want to do.

>>152087690
I genuinely don't understand this post.

ITT: My brain can only process flashy colors and action, please stop talking about complex things.

>>152087722
Symbolism is overrated. Adds literally nothing to my enjoyment. No matter what medium.

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how about Nijigahara Holograph? I think they have good symbolism and a interesting story

>>152087778
Flashy colors and action can be symbolic too.

>>152087702
>Just because you frame something as "x is the best" instead of "x is good" doesn't mean you don't have to give any arguments for it.
What's the point of this sentence? I never said "x is good", which is explicitly why I said "x is best". Are you literally trying to change my argument?

>Rather I could ask you why you made a claim which is impossible to prove or disprove in the first place
It was a 3 word post accompanied by an image. I was hoping to spur discussion by making people post examples they thought were better, but instead I got an autist saying "x is shit" with no argument.

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>>152087790
There's symbolism in your REAL life right now, you just don't see it.

>>152087790
>Symbolism is overrated
But what do you mean by this?
It's literally meme-speak. Symbolism is a fundamental storytelling technique, which is present in basically every story that exists, and you called it "shit". Do you deal with any kind of art besides anime? What is the last book you read?

>>152087790
>my enjoyment
Oh gee anon, since it adds nothing to your enjoyment I guess everyone better stop using it everwhere. I mean, golly gee wiz if it doesn't appeal to this anon then it must be worthless.

>>152087820
>What's the point of this sentence? I never said "x is good", which is explicitly why I said "x is best". Are you literally trying to change my argument?
Okay, first if x is the best this also implies that x is good, except if you claim that nothing good exists and y is merely the least bad. So again, stop nitpicking.

>It was a 3 word post accompanied by an image. I was hoping to spur discussion by making people post examples they thought were better
Holy fucking shit, okay this is my last reply to you. You're either trolling or beyond saving when it comes to holding a discussion.
Everyone posting what they think is best is not a discussion. A discussion involves arguments not just "I think this is best!" "No, you're wrong it's this!" What you did is making a post that is, if taken literally, impossible to give good arguments for, you said so yourself. Then you said you wanted it to be taken literally. Then you criticized someone for bringing up something without giving an argument for it. In other words, you wanted to spawn a "discussion" in which arguents are impossible. Fucking great job, man. I'm out of this thread.

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>>152087903
But it's also bogged down by culture. Only the culture that the piece was caterer towards will actually understand the meaning behind the symbol.
Ones that aren't bogged down by culture convey meanings that could be better conveyed through interaction with other characters or the world without relying on "make up your own meaning" symbolic objects.

Literally an intellectual shortcut and any writer who relies on it is a hack.

>>152088107
>first if x is the best this also implies that x is good
Already wrong. If I have 5 piece of shit cars and I pick the best one out of them to drive to work that doesn't mean it's a good car. Also don't even see how this is relevant to the argument at all.

>people posting what they think is good isn't discussion
I hope you leave /a/ on your way out of this thread.

ITT: autism

>>152088131
Conveying meaning through dialogue in a visual medium is literally retarded though

Good enough thread for a dumb enough question.

Is Texhnolyze as nihilistic/pessimistic as people say?

>>152088131
>better conveyed through interaction with other characters or the world
"Symbolism" doesn't just exist in the the visual form though, you DO know that anon? Right?

>>152088467
Pretty much yeah. Everything is fucked from the start and nothing goes right for anyone. Watch it if you like that kind of stuff, it's fun.

>>152087790
>my

And why should anyone care?

>>152089152
Neat. I'm watching Serial Experiments Lain for my deep anime right now. I'll start Texholyze after.

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>>152087815
I am not an expert on symbolism and stuff, but it was a really nice story that you had to fit the pieces together to understand it.

>>152088467
How does it compare to Boogiepop Phantom?

>>152089448
maybe it's just a cloud

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>>152084194
One of the few examples of symbolism done well.