Why is Ufotable such a party pooper? Their fate adaptations

>>152055749
Because they're attempting to make anime that reach a wider audience than otakus. If that's good or bad is your own opinion, but you can't say they failed in that respect

>>152055749
Did nobody ever walk you home gently before anon

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>>152055749
The porn part was forced by Takeuchi so it could sell. It's never the main appeal.

Even people who played the VN agreed the porn scenes are horrible.

>>152055839
no why :(

>>152055906
The h-scenes are as defenable as rin's anus

>>152055800
Dropping the whole romance thing was a mistake though.It's not just otakus who like shippings.

>>152055906
It's not just the porn scenes. They could make it clear what happens without showing Shirou inside Saber (or Rin). I thought normalfags liked relationships.

>>152055839
a-anon...

>>152055906

You were right; the h-scenes were boring as hell. I even turned off all the h-scenes because I can't even skip it.

>>152055749
because japanese secondaries would be mad if their precious waifus aren't pure

>>152056150
>not self-inserting as Shirou

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>>152055906
ehh I got a good fap out of each of them at least once

UBW didn't have a harem end though. It was just Rin+Shirou with Saber as their friend.

Why would Realta Nua have porn?

>>152057342
Nasu said Saber had maternal affection for them. She's more of their mother figure in UBW.

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>>152057414
They flirted A LOT in the VN. You must be a literal retard to not see that they wanted to FUCK. LIKE RABBITS.
Do you also think that Shirou went to Avalon in the fate route just to play tag with Saber forever?

>>152055906
As far as I can remember there are no h scenes in ubw vn compared to hf which had loads

>>152057515
>in the VN.

Nasu was the one who rewrote the scenes. To him, Saber sees Shirou as a son.

>>152056090
Pretty sure Shirou ended up with Rin
Thats god enough

>>152058383
There are innumerable examples of how authors change and are divorced from their original mindset while creating the work. Anno, Lucas, King all of these losers forgot how they used to approach things and decided to emulate themselves to the detriment of their legacy.
Nasu is just another statistic.

>>152055749
>Even the harem ending of UBW (adapted in the OVA) was portrayed as "Let's forever be friends! :-^)".

What, really? Pretty sure Rin had far more amourous intentions towards Saber.

>>152058456
>The Saber in the Rin Route is a mother in a certain sense, positioned sort of as Shirou and Rin's guardian.
Whatever, here is your quote. From UBW BD boxset, first one I think. And by the way, he always firmly said Saber never fell in love with Shirou outside Fate route scenario. Not in UBW or HF she sees him in a romantic light.

>>152058537
That's fine, I was speaking in a general sense about Nasu's career progression and direction as well as his writing trends and preferences.
Saber not liking him outside their arc is fine by me.

>>152058587
It wouldn't make sense if she did. In Fate route, Shirou had to devote himself to pursue her in an obsessive way. Unlike Rin and Sakura who fell for him because lel high jump without Shirou making zero effort to woo them, Saber needed to be courted a fucking lot. She only even admits she loves him before she disappears.

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>>152058537
>The Saber in the Rin Route is a mother in a certain sense, positioned sort of as Shirou and Rin's guardian.

So what does that mean for when Rin's homolust towards Saber inevitably rears its head?

>>152058456
Grand Order is proof that Nasu has lost what made SN so good.

>>152059305
Are you sure about that?

Grand Order exemplifies what makes Fate good. The only good thing about Fate is historical or mythical characters brought together by modern magic to battle with or against each other.

Stay Night was shit, Nasu was a hack, but what carried it was that core concept of the Heroic Spirits.

Grand Order has that in spades, and expands on why Heroic Spirits exist in general. Not to mention how the last couple chapters have a route's worth of text and dialogue anyway.

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>>152059383

>>152059739
prove me wrong fag

>>152059868
You've proved yourself to be an idiot by saying that the only good thing about Fate is mythological figures fighting. There is nothing to say to such a stupid notion.

>>152055906
They were comically bad but their replacements were even worse. The HA H scenes were pretty good though.

>>152059958
It's a concept you literally can't fuck up. That's the only reason Nasu got popular. Why do you think no one cares about Tsukihime?

>>152059383
Can't tell if bait or pure secondary vomit.

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>>152058872

They can hot incest roleplay. Rin probably has mommy issues out the wazoo and it comes out when she pervs on Saber.

>>152059383
Bait or not I think a lot of the fanbase really thinks this way nowadays. The whole tone of the franchise has shifted to accommodate people who are into it for things the original VN was never really supposed to be.

F/SN was never expected to be this grand scale action epic. It was a little visual novel about one guy and the girls he hangs out with and falls in love with. All of the stuff that made Fate what it is now was really just window dressing to keep it from being yet another bland high school romance game. That stuff is what people got into the VN for and what the fanbase of the original DEEN anime was there for.

It wasn't until Urobuchi came in and twisted the setting into the driving force for F/Z that a whole new group came into the fanbase and really changed its direction. Ufotable's adaptations are tailored to suit that group, not the original base. I know I'm going to get a torrent of rage over this, but I still think the original DEEN anime is the best approximation of the VN's tone, even if it had plenty of its own shortcomings.

>>152060296
>It was a little visual novel about one guy and the girls he hangs out with and falls in love with.
And it was shit. It wasn't going to sell, and that's why Nasu ended up putting all this other shit into it.

Not to mention, you know, Prototype. So even if you're right about it being a little story about a guy and a girl, really, it was going to be about a girl and a guy.

>>152055749
>fan service
Dumb underage poster.

>>152060042
Nasu was already popular when F/SN came out, but you weren't born yet so it's understandable. And people do care about Tsukihime dumbass. Why else would they be remaking it?

You're just some retarded secondary who played the mobile game and read the plot synopsis for SN online. I'll be happy when GO is forgotten in five years.

>>152060454
>Why else would they be remaking it?
So Nasu can satisfy himself by throwing in le epic Dark Souls and Bloodborne references. Just watch when he adds the Velbers from Extella as Cthulu-inspired aliens that he makes Arc fight.

It's not for the piss small little fanbase that refuses to accept the existence of the anime adaption.

>>152060296
I will always stand by the statement that Zero is the worst thing to happen to Fate. It brought it Death Note's "xD I liek my animes le dark and le edgy" crowd that they catered to so hard.

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>>152060042
>Why do you think no one cares about Tsukihime

Because probably you weren't born yet when Tsukihime was popular. It died healthy just like many VNs at that time and even Tsukihime stayed way longer than them.

Fate is just milked to death, and while what you about how such concept makes it popular is true, it also means it's nothing but a shallow way to attract as many players as possible no different than tons of harem sell on cute girls, only this time it's cool Servants.

>>152060767
>only this time it's cool Servants.
Realistically speaking, it's cool servants who are also cute girls for your harem.

>>152055749
are you 14 years old?

>>152060705
Zero is not that edgy. It's only the ending that got edgy and it doesn't really describe the story as a whole.

I bet you call Psycho-Pass edgy, too.

>>152058872
Saber's feelings are platonic. Shirou and Rin can be degenerate alone.

>>152060705
Totally this.

I really don't like much of anything Urobuchi has had his filthy hands on. If I wanted to watch edgy shit about MCs getting mindraped and likeable characters getting killed off for no reason I'd go watch Zeta Gundam again or something.

Urobuchi is just the current generation's Tomino, except we all hated Tomino for his asshole writing and these guys (and girls... a LOT of girls) eat it up when Urobuchi does it.

He did a damn good job of making me totally stop caring about Fate and Type-Moon in general, though.

>>152060454
FateGO wont be forgotten in 5 years because, Nasu + other typemoon writers will ease in lots of scripts for it over the next year or two.

Then series animation of Next Order. (Then whatever comes after that, they have to keep the game going after all.)

DW stated that they had to keep making stories for it, otherwise, they wont have any profits.

>>152060296
>It wasn't until Urobuchi came in and twisted the setting into the driving force for F/Z

Your secondary is showing.

Not doing Tiger Dojo specials was the biggest disappointment for me.
I guess the Consolations Room specials set my hopes up.

>>152060454
>Why else would they be remaking it?

Sadly because Fate is such a huge cash cow that they think they can make money on adapting Nasu's other works. I expect the Tsukihime adaptation to be the same kind of grimdark action edgy bullshit as the recent Fate stuff.

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>>152057917
>s far as I can remember there are no h scenes in ubw vn compared to hf which had loads
>he doesn't know about the stockings
>he doesn't know about JACKHAMMER
Pic related but not related

>>152060925
This, really.

Even if you say Stay Night is about a boy and his girlfriend of choice, the Fate part is the Heroic Spirits, and though you might not like the literally grand scale of Grand Order, that's what we're at now. Maybe it'll go back, later.

>>152060908
See. >>152060943 You too are a filthy secondary who must have not followed FSN original translation VN release for this ignorance. I-I'm hating Zero and spouting bullshit, d-do I fit in?

The one who wrote Zero outline was fucking Nasu and he did it before he even completed UBW and HF, retard. If you weren't a filthy secondary, you would know that, aside of Fate route and Protoshit, it's the oldest shit Nasu had planned, but his health (he was hospitalized) and being overwhelmed with FSN made him contact Urobutchi to persuade him to write it for him.

It wasn't Urobutchi who came in one day and told his idea to Nasu. Nasu begged him to write this as a favor.

>>152060897
Zero is edgy because of how unnecessarily violent and dark it is. Was a serial child rapist and murderer, who's conveniently attractive and WACKY XDDD, as a master really something Fate needed?

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>>152057414

>>152061192
You know Nasu made all the characters except Maiya? Zerohatters are a bunch of secondaries. Real Fate fans back in the end, painlessly waited for the Baka-Tsuki shitty releases and were overjoyed by this.

>>152060925
Okay, I was being hyperbolic, but once the stories get stale, the game stops updating, or the next hot "thing" comes around, GO will be abandoned in droves, and no one will remember it.

>>152061232
>shitty ooc doujin

Saber is the mother, she treats them as kids in UBW.

>>152061272
Sure thing. You're ignoring that to Nasu, GO is the single most important story of Fate.

Fate/Stay Night = Lord of the Rings
Fate/Zero = The Hobbit
Fate/Grand Order = The Silmarillion

>>152061192
He's not the one you're not supposed to give much shit about, though. Maybe Kariya should be the one you worry about but most people would say he's just tragic character.

Besides if we talk about Nasu's work, Tsukihime has a lot of characters who enjoys killing. It's about vampires and demons surpressing bloodlust. Even Shiki is a serial killer at heart.

>>152060042

But Tsukihime is extremely popular in Japan, especially considering all it got was a sequel VN.

>>152061350
The Hobbit predated LOTR by nearly 2 decades.

>>152061156
Nasu wrote the outline, as in, the most basic plot of the book. It wasn't him who decided to make it edgy.

>>152061240
Nasu named the characters, he didn't make them.

>>152061365
This. People complain about Uryuu when he's far better than le epic maid rapist shitty mc Nasu did. Nasu is full edgy. It's frankly hilarious these secondaries are blaming Butcher for characters Nasu created in the first place. Did they even read Takeuchi's or Nasu's funny commentary about how he and Gilles are totally married and are cute together?

>>152061312
>Local author says that his latest work that earns him boatloads of money is the single most important.

In other news, water is wet.

>>152056090

>Dropping the whole romance thing was a mistake though.It's not just otakus who like shippings.

They dropped the romance because Rin is hot garbage and they couldn't even be bothered to make her look like a person and not a rhino

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>>152061365
It's more that excessively doting on shit like pic related is unnecessary edge, which we all know Urobutchi likes to write about. Vampiric impulses and SHIKI going mad tied in with the main setting. Zero spent a lot of time on two ancillary Masters that deal and are dealt suffering.

>>152061156
>The one who wrote Zero outline was fucking Nasu
No shit. The 4th war set the foundation for the 5th. Hell, everything you need to know about the 4th war you can learn just by reading FSN.

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>>152061536
Okay, rude.

>>152061460
Yes, he made the characters, even published a fucking book with their profiles, you fucking retard.

>It wasn't him who decided to make it edgy.

Oh it wasn't Nasu who wrote Angra 'edgiest backstory of all time' Mainyu who made them edgy? Nasu sat with Butcher to write this shit and even says, I repeat, that Butcher 'read his mind' about what he wanted to write. He instructed Butcher to remove Waver scenes (because Butcher wanted to make Zero more a coming of age story like FSN) to focus on Kerry angst and "Saber getting bullied by Alexander and Gilgamesh" to quote Nasu. When he didn't approve or like an idea of Butcher, he made him remove it. Zero wasn't a project he let the guy do whatever he pleased, he even wanted to publish it on 2005 but it was Butcher who said that it would be better to be released after FHA. You're letting your secondary retarded N-Nasu is flawless bias cloud you. Zero was thought by Nasu as a companion piece for FSN and he instructed Butcher to make it about Kerry's retard ass and Saber's brooding and suffering.

So shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing us, actual old Type Moon fans.

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>>152061272
Yeah, that's probably the only thing holding Grand Order back, storywriting.

Otherwise, servant lore and expanding Nasuverse is where its being pumped into.

>>152061541
These writing only happen when it tells about Ryuunosuke, which not much happen and doesn't even take 20% of the novel.
Dude, you're talking about fucking Caster and Ryuunosuke who are the most irrelevant pair the story and the only time they are relevant is when they summoned that giant sea monster.

You could've said something about Lancer and Kayneth, but at least there is story behind their suffering.

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>Nasu isn't edgy honestly! It's all the Butcher's fault

I want secondaries to leave.

>>152061933
Is she alright

>>152061970
Sure, they just removed her brain and organs.

>>152061933
They are cute. Nasu was the sick fucker who came up with the worm rape on a child too. Butcher just had to write it.

>>152061603
>Hell, everything you need to know about the 4th war you can learn just by reading FSN.
Wrong. Waver - El Melloi II was always one of Nasu's most important players and who he published as "the man who ends the Holy Grail War on Fuyuki" title before FZ was published. He couldn't include him in FSN.

>>152061625
When did I say Nasu is perfect asshole? Point to where I sung Nasu's praises. Nasu obviously oversaw what was being written and tweaked it, after all, its basis is on his idea. He let Uro write what he wanted because they're friends and he wanted to let him express himself. And he did limit him when Uro wanted Matou to rape Sakura after he crippled Rin's mother. I believe the quote was "Is your heart black?"

Kirei's angst plays into his arc as a tragic character and Saber's conversations with Rider and Archer about ideals are similar to Shirou's conversations with Archer about his ideals. By focusing on these the story is much more connected to SN.

A-am I the only one who got turned on by the h scenes?

>>152062092
Uro never wanted to make Kariya rape Sakura. Were fuck you even heard this bullshit? What he wanted was to make Dark Sakura (loli) kill Kariya because he has a boner for her and Nasu forbade it because she couldn't turn into Dark Sakura without the Grail Fragments. He laughed it off worried "Sakura's stock would fall further" as joke she would get more unpopular and didn't want that.

You're still missing the point Nasu begged and had to persuade Butcher to come and write this because he couldn't handle his own schedule. And write it as he, Nasu, wanted it. Otherwise, the main character would have been Waver. It wasn't Butcher who dropped in Type Moon and told Nasu his idea. So please shut the fuck up about 'blaming' him for your obvious shit taste. Nasu never intended FSN to be a lel meme love story once he dropped the Proto idea either, he wanted to write about an empty guy and King Arthur looking for the Holy Grail. The haremshit was added to sell as secondary fluff to the exploration of Shirou's defect and the Holy Grail War.

You focus on that but this wasn't Nasu's intention.

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>>152061933
Nasu's works have always had dark elements, (the Church's basement, Angra Mainyu, the entirety of Sakura) but at least these things fit and make sense in the general context of the story . They are supposed to make you recoil in disgust, it's why the basement doesn't have a CG as your mind makes it worse just by imagining it, but Uro revels in the disgusting shit.

Shit like >>152061541 and how WACKY xDDD AND RANDUMB Caster and Ryo is doesn't fit in. You aren't supposed to be disgusted with them, you are supposed to laugh with them.

>>152062405
>You aren't supposed to be disgusted with them, you are supposed to laugh with them.
Because Nasu and Takeuchi finds them funny and epic love story, but Butcher added them for Waver to learn the war was full of sick shit. Or did you forget the scene Iskandar burns down the furniture and Waver throwing up in disgust shaken by the sight? Just because Nasu made them memes, they were originally serious and a point for Waver to start growing up.

>>152061156
Actually I did follow the original FSN release. I first played the Fate route before UBW was even out.

As for F/Z, as others have pointed out, Nasu's outline was very basic and it was Urobuchi's writing that shifted the tone. Urobuchi also had a lot of influence on the direction the plot took and drifted away from Nasu's outline, and actually spent a lot of time arguing with Nasu about his changes.

I actually staffed for Aniplex at Sakuracon when they did the F/Z S2 premiere and not only was I at his public panel where he talked a bit about this but also was backstage with him between events and talked to him a bit myself. Urobuchi was quite candid about the fact that the F/Z process was one of Urobuchi coming up with an idea and then submitting it to Nasu for approval, not one guided by Nasu's hand, and talked at some length about the negotiation process of talking Nasu into letting him take liberties with the original outline and character concepts.

Anyway, I'm not saying Nasu's great either, but there's a lot more of Urobuchi in F/Z than people are acting like there is. Nasu himself is also a total edgelord but F/SN itself was much less grimdark and it certainly wasn't the factor that brought the original fanbase in. Even if you say that F/Z wasn't Urobuchi's fault, the major shift in the Fate fanbase can largely be traced to Urobuchi's preexisting base coming into the franchise because he did Zero.

>>152062405
You're taking small portion of writing for irrelevant character too seriously.

It's like you're complaining when Gintama goes full epic shonen sometimes when it's supposed to be wacky nonsense comedy, but everything is still within its setting and the small shonen part doesn't drag the series away from what it's supposed to be.

Consider again >>152061884

I just want Ufotable to do the Fate route as well so we can get that scene of Saber walking out of the bath butt naked and encouraging Shirou to bathe with her.
DEEN did an alright job. I wish I saved the screenshot because they made Saber's hips look perfect.

>>152062522
FZ has to be darker, because:
1) No school setting which, yes, face it, makes any story more lighthearted.
2) The prequel that ends in tragedy. Decided already by FSN. So it had to be more moody and hopeless. The children get orphaned or suffer a lot of shit; and Saber had to hit rock bottom.
3) Yet even if there was that, Waver and Iskandar were obvious counterpoints, provided levity and humor, and a contrast to the rest of the tragedy around them. The less they feature, the darker it gets.
4) You're dealing with Heroic Spirits, who have tragedy as their second name. Diarmuid, Kayneth and Sola were thematically a repeat of fate cruel wheel, there was nothing gratuitous about it, just the inevitable consequence of their shortcomings.

'Darker' isn't 'edgier' or worse. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Fate/Zero. Like there's nothing wrong with FSN. Both are okay works with some flaws. Or are you telling me fucking Medea and Kuzuki weren't cringeworthy villains in UBW? Anime had to revise them for how shitty they were in the VN.

>>152055906
I fainted once because I stood up too fast after jerking off to Heaven's Feel.

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Why is Rin so lewd?

>>152062636
Okay, I admit that I harp on Ryu for too long. But as >>152062522
said, the shift that has occurred in Fate's fanbase can be attributed to Zero.

Fags like >>152059383 weren't around before Zero, and the way that Fate has been treated makes me sad as F/SN is still my favorite VN.

>>152062771
Uryuu and Caster were introduced to mentally ready Waver and make him mature. The LN babyfeed you this caused an awakening of Waver to realize he's out his depth and become more mature. Just watching the dead wouldn't have fucked him up as much as the furniture did. Waver is meant to be a pivotal character, so it was meant to get his mental world shaken to realize the war isn't a joke. This marks his character immensely.

>waaaah why isn't fate about my sword guy self insert shounen harem adventures anymore

This is what I'm reading.

>>152062915
What is Grand Order, Apoc, and Extra?

>>152062722
No one is arguing that Zero shouldn't have been dark, they're arguing that Uro's edgy writing, in combination with his preexisting fanbase coming in, caused a shift in Fate's fanbase.

Medea and Kuzuki (after his back story was expanded upon in HA) are great characters, what're you talking about.

>>152055749
I don't care.

The best thing about Fate was watching Shirou and Kerry become Superheroes.

I always wanted to be a Superhero like Superman and Shirou did it, he saved the world.

>>152062847
Uryu and Gilles were not vital for that (nor was the rest of their plentiful screentime) and it could have been conveyed with many of the other characters, like Zouken's training of Kariya, Kirei doing some evil shit, Tokiomi's moral compass, Kerry's brutality, and so on. Those might have have even been more profound to Waver because they're all part of the the magi world, not just the HGW.

>>152062771
You said that F/Z cater to edgy teens then complain about GO fags who want more cool and slutty servants being the result of F/Z.

I dunno man, while I agree Uro is the first outside writer that work on Fate which may inspired other writers to do the same, you may also take into consideration that F/Z was finished around 2008 or something while the spin-off craze like Apocrypha and the like only started recently, and there were already many spin-offs produced during the gap like Fate/Extra which is just as popular as F/Z if not more and I say what you should also take into consideration regarding what caused large influx of new Fate fans. Oh, and also bunch of anime adaptations we got.

>>152062769
A goddess of whores can only possess another whore.

>>152062771
>Fate's fanbase can be attributed to Zero.
What? Fate/Zero was published on 2006 and it was focused on Fuyuki's three families and as a prequel of FSN. It has nothing to do with the current direction of the franchise.

You know what caused the shift? It wasn't Zero, because Zero was always planned as part of the trilogy with FSN and FHA by Nasu. It was still the story of Emiya family, Tohsaka and Matou, and Arturia there (Waver too, Waver was always an important character in Nasu's notes: the true final hero). But years later what happened? Nasu wanted to make a game which focused on Heroic Spirit war in faction, that was the proto Apocrypha which later became LN, but the concept was kept by Nasu (a social game with multiple Heroic Spirits) which evolved in Fate/Grand Order. It came Fate/Extra which had nothing to do with Fate/Zero or FSN, it was Nasu's separate idea. That's what truly started it. Nasu, not Butcher, so don't point fingers on his direction, deciding to focus on the Heroic Spirit wars.

This has zero to do with Fate/Zero. You're just ridiculously scapegoating a series wrongly because it seems the serial killers pissed your cereals. Even in the anime, the countdown was to the meeting with Shirou and the scene Kiritsugu and Shirou met was perfect.

>>152063029
It HAD to be Uryu, because neither Kayneth or Tokiomi are dark enough. They are assholes. Waver knowing about the Matou shit would make Iskandar get involved (he did get involved in Accel Zero) which would completely fuck up HF storyline. So no, it had to be Uryuu. Uryuu was serving as contrast to Kuzuki.

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>>152063168
And if we are talking about fans I say it's the anime adaptations that attract the new fans the most, and since other fanfic works like Apocrypha, Strange Fake, GO, etc released not long after these anime, it took the fans a wrong idea about how Fate used to be.

Back in the day HGW is a battle royal between 7 Servants, one for each class and thus we gave a shit about each Servant and their role in the war like how much of a failure Lancer is while having broken NP and how Archer became a red man, and F/Z still followed the same format.
Now there are tons of Servants and we can't even give a shit to half of them. Servants aren't unique anymore, just bunch of pretty fodders with probably little to no story in the war. There are also bunch of red mans, Waver, Iri, Rin even fucking Taiga. Kerry also became red man as well.

I mean, imagine if F/GO were the first TM. It'd probably be nothing more popular than generic mobage.

>>152063168
>>152063039

I blame Zero for causing a shift after it's initial publication and the release of the anime. Now it doesn't matter as GO has made Fate as generic as harem shit.

I know I've been putting too much emphasis on Zero, and I'm sorry for that, but I don't blame Uro for what Fate is today. I dislike Zero, but it's much better than the absolute shit we're being shoveled now. There is only one person who's responsible for the current state of Fate: Nasu. Nasu is the one who's been milking Fate for over a decade. Nasu is the one who turned Fate into a generic moebage.

>>152060904

Rin can't indulge in her lesbian fantasies on Shirou though.

>>152062769

She has twice the sexual attraction of most people, and twice the lewdness as a result. She needs to appeal to girls and boys.

>>152063607
> FateGO
> During a time where superpowered smartphones werent a thing.
It would've died fast.

>>152063607
>tfw you'll never go into F/SN completely blind and be wondering the identity of Saber or Rider.

Honestly, trying to guess each servant's identity before they told you was one of the most enjoyable parts of reading the VN. Now they just tell you their identity flat out with no sense of mystery or tension.

>>152063856
Not that Anon, but did you expect from Nasu? He made a VN that made it to high success and he capitalized on it.

Now he won't have to write another series.

>>152064085
I don't blame him for milking the series. All of us would do the same in his position. I blame him for making Fate into something as generic as harem shit.

>>152064362
It was always haremshit though