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Is this the best thing that came out of the anime medium as a whole?

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Is this the best thing that came out of the anime medium as a whole?
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>>152037421
no this is
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Nope, the best thing to come out of anime is elvish pornography.
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>>152037421
That isn't even the best ghibli film you double nigger
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>>152037421
Are you a Disney shill or something? Mononoke isn't even the best Ghibli film, that would be Nausicaa.
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>>152037820
>>152037421
without a doubt, it's these two. The both of them.
+All Satoshi Kon films
+Nichijou
the rest can be thrown out for all I care.
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>>152037936
>>152038183
>Nausicäa
It's okay but the characters start not making sense and why the fuck would the insect start caring about a single human when they are furiously heading off to destroy them? The ending is just one rushed nonsense. Having the Spirit of the Forest becoming a mass of death upon losing its head made much more sense metaphorically speaking, and the situation with the characters was much clearer.
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>>152037936
>>152038183
shit taste. Mononoke was a better Nausica in every way
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Satoshi Kon > Miyazaki
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>>152037421
One of the best, yes.
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>Mononoke
>better than anything
Awful dialogues
Awful plot
Zero character development
MC is screaming retard with weird motivations
Main girl is soulless doll
"Love" is joke
Character interaction is joke

Mononoke is brainless poor's man Nausicaa: Holywood Action Edition and worst Ghibli. I will never understand why this shit is popular so much.
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>>152037421
Yes.
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I love Mononoke, and many other anime works. But in all cases, they don't hold up against Evangelion
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>>152040374
Porco Rosso is so damn good. It's too bad Miyazaki hates it.
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10/10
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OP needs to go back to /co/. Everyone else needs to go back to /v/.
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Do i watch Akira tonight? Or is there something better?
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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the greatest anime ever made.
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>>152042251
>is there something better?
Nope. Akira is the pinnacle of Japanese animation. Watch it only if you're willing to accept that everything you see afterwards will pale in comparison.
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This.
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>>152037421
Pretty sure Flip Flappers exist
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I think we can agree that the best years of anime are already behind us. With that said, are there still truly good anime released, say, in the last 5 years? And I don't mean "good on an anime scale", I mean "good on the whole cinematography scale".
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I thought Miyazaki was a meme until I saw Mononoke Hime.
It's my second favorite Ghibli, just barely behind Marnie.
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>>152042501
It had a few good episodes, overall it's not that great.
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If you're a really boring and easily impressed art student. Then yeah.
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>>152037421
That's not Cowboy Bebop.
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>>152037421
Yes, among others.
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>>152037421
CGDCT
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the only good anime ever made is Lucky Star
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>>152042609

>And I don't mean "good on an anime scale", I mean "good on the whole cinematography scale".

>>>/lit/
>>>/tv/
>>>/trash/
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>>152042778
>Totoro
>Chihiro
Even on the scale of Ghibli movies, Kiki easily surpasses them.
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Posting this should be a bannable offense.
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Not even the best Ghibli show so It can't be.
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>>152042609
Sure
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Not even close niggerino
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>>152042812

I didn't mention either of them. I just want the crossboarders to leave.

>>152042757

A mix of pretentious arthouse bullshit, a swathe of shows from an era where Japs just copied Western cartoons, and a few good films. >>152042010 is unironically better than anything on that list except maybe Akira/Grave of the Fireflies.
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Naw, all of Studio Ghibli's films are essentially just Miyazaki telling us his political opinions in animated form, which kinda leads to his movies looking more like lectures than actual films. If I wanted that then I'd go watch Ferngully or something.
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>>152042934
Firstly you're trying too hard to be anti-art, secondly you can bet that K-On! would be on the list if it were remade today.
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>>152042993
>I've only seen nausicaa the post
nice
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>>152043039
That's cute. You're cute.
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>>152043016

Whatever the fuck you're talking about, Hidamari Sketch is also a more worthwhile watch than all but about five or six anime on that chart.
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>>152042934
K-On is better then Jin-Roh?

this is the /a/ I know
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>>152042993
Ferngully is legit
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>>152042934
>I didn't mention either of them. I just want the crossboarders to leave.
Look out /a/non, evil people are invading your safe space!
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>>152043038

I'm not "anti-art", I'm merely against that which attempts to be pretentious and esoteric above all else (i.e. about half the list).

The rest of the list also reeks of bias towards Western animation and against the features which make anime distinct; World Masterpiece Theater can barely be called anime and the fucking children's animal cartoons being on there are beyond parody.

>>152043121

It's certainly better than fucking PUSS IN BOOTS
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>>152038183
Mononoke is everything he wanted to say in Naussica, buy refined.

Also, Naussica has all the marks of a too literal manga adaptation. The amount to which Naussica talks to herself and exposits for the audience is ridiculous.

The movies are tied in terms of setting and Naussica's music is just as good as Journey to the West from PM, especially when Hisaishi did that live concert of all his music.

Problem with both is that both English and Japanese actors ham it up when Miyazaki has them spout Greenpeace slogans. mononoke happens to have fewer cringe lines. "I don't wanna be a demon!" Sounds off in both languages.

Naussica does have probably the tightest english cast of any Ghibli Dub.

> Luke Skywalker, Picard, and Adama in the same movie

Mononoke's dub is good too, but the main characters can't hippie yell convincingly, and are out a few by the supporting cast. Even Thornton does a good job despite arguably making the character sound nicer than he does in Japanese. Also, that's hardly a southern accent.
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>>152042993
Mononoke struck me as a ferngully style movie from a neutral perspective, where industrialisation wasn't the problem, it was the pride of humanity
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>>152043403
HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT TALKING ABOUT DUBS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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>>152043289
Nothing on there is pretentious or esoteric, although I could see how it might appear that way to someone who doesn't know much about animation or isn't into anime besides what's fairly new or popular in the west. What are the features that you think make anime distinct, by the way?
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>>152043403
What I loved about Mononoke Hime was that it went beyond the "protect the enviroment" message that was in Nausicaa. Like >>152043462 said, it was a neutral perspective, and gave the industrialist side a more human viewpoint and not making them out to be monsters, while also not raising the forest side to be benevolent beings.

It pushed a message leaning towards co-habitability, which is really refreshing from the usual environmental messages that essentially command you to give up your current lifestyle and trying to make you feel like shit for being human.
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Mononoke is unironically the best. Akira is better on a technical level, but overall Monoke is just right even for nonanimefags.
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>>152042757

WOW GUYS THIS IS SO AMAZING AND ENTERTAINING
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>>152043403
Reminds me of when I used to read anime reviews. Dubfag tries to talk about a film, but ends up spending half the post going on about 'epik dubbed animes'.
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>>152043486

I take them as being different from the original work.

They're still enjoyable because Disney actually fucking hires people who can act their way out of a paper bag.

>>152043521
I think it comes down to whether or not you define anime as cartoons made for a Japanese audience or cartoons made for the Japanese Otaku audience.

I got into anime because directors can switch between the two styles on the fly.

By his definition your average Pixar short is pretentious.

>>152043636
You quoted me twice kek.
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>>152043521
being kawaii (cute)
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>>152042934
Ashita no Joe 2 is better than both seasons of K-On combined.
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Personally my all time fav is Castle in the Sky, but I also unironically enjoyed the dub version. And not the new dub but the older disney dub with all the background chatter that was taken out of the bluray rerelease.
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>>152043743
Trust me nigga. I'm no dubfag.

I want to put Tiffany Grant and Spike Spencer in a fucking Gulag.
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Why do people feel offended by the animal movie being better than your favorite anime?
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>>152037421
No this is.
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>>152043723
Yoji Kuri is arguably the most important figure in the history of independent anime.

>>152043745
Anime to me = Japanese animation. Even if you wanted to narrow it down, the list is still of "Japanese animation." Audience is useless for defining things like that.
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>>152043859
being important to the development of artwork is for losers who don't know how to make things people enjoy looking at
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They should have kissed at the end
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I found Princess Mononoke quite mediocre actually. I don't enjoy films whose message is in your face all the time and mononoke hime was exactly that which made it look really cheesy.

Shinsekai Yori on the other hand is an example of "show with a message" done right, the setting and worldbuilding were fantastic, each character had huge depth and at the end you find yourself questioning your own morals, not because the show dictated you to but because it let you apply your own beliefs on the matter. Trully an underappreciated masterpiece.
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>>152043909
He was important because he made things people enjoyed looking at.
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>>152043977
>animators
>people
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>>152043859
Me too, What I mean is that you can tell when something is made to appeal to Japanese normies and when something is straight up pandering to Otaku. Nothing wrong with either of those approaches. I enjoy Evangelion because it has things to say to adults, kids, and manchilden like myself, all at the same time. It can switch between all three approaches to whiplash the audience.
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I think people crying about the message are turboautists.
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>>152043745

About half the things on there were not made for any audience other than the people who made them and a narrow slice of pretentious fuckwits who think that something being sufficiently esoteric and devoid of entertainment makes it good.

If you want something which is intelligent without being overly pretentious or esoteric, and still manages to be entertaining (though something being enjoyable to look at or able to make you laugh probably makes you very uncomfortable), and isn't a sad attempt to copy Disney: pic related.

You didn't take me for some normalfag dipshit who only watches popular battle shounens, did you?
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>>152044095
How old were you when you realized "entertainment" was a Jewish trick? 21 here
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>>152044095
Like I said, anti-art.
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>>152044159

If it is, then God bless the Jews.
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>>152044042
Why don't you quote me you little faggot?
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>>152044199
Turboautist.
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>>152044252
Fuck it backfired
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>>152044095
>About half the things on there were not made for any audience other than the people who made them.

Thats pretty much what art IS my man. A message or description that comes out of a person. It can be good or bad, it doesn't really matter.

Which isn't to say your pic can't be good, I would never say that, you're the one insisting that arthouse can't be good.

I'm the kind of person who just decided to rewatch Angel's Egg last night because I moved into a house with a sick ass projector.
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>>152044342
you're dumb and stupid if you think art hasn't been gay nerd bullshit since martin luther ended christianity
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>>152044394
なるほど ...
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>>152044190

By your presumably very narrow and autistic definition of art; maybe I am!

>>152044342

I may have been too sweeping in my judgement. May have just been irked by the overwhelming majority of that list being taken up by either said arthouse films or Miyazaki. There are others (like Astro Boy or the original Gundam) that I personally dislike but whose importance I can readily acknowledge.
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>>152044661
How can you justify recognizing the importance of Astro Boy and Gundam and then complain about Toei movies and WMT being on the list?
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>>152044814
because fuck you I won't do what you tell me
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>>152044394
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>>152044892
Literature came to its logical conclusion with the publication of William Gaddis's J R in 1975. There is no reason to continue reading in the 21st century.
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>>152037421

1998 Adult Swim is calling. You should go back there.
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>>152045041
This mononoke is normie trash
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>>152037421
YES
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>>152042468
Just rewatched Lain to show it to my roommates, much better now that I'm older.
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>>152042900
>le space politics bros xD
reddit the show
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>>152039715
>better in every way
name 4 (four) ways
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>>152044968
>Malazan Book of the Fallen
>Jim Butcher still writing
>Haven't read all of Asimov yet

I'mma keep reading.
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>>152037866
Is French anime technically even anime? I know some of it was produced in Japan and had some Japanese people working on it despite airing on French TV.

Eva is undisputed best girl.
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>>152045949
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That's not Aria the Origination
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>>152037421
Why are there so many threads about this all of a sudden?
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>>152046618
I think it re-aired in american cinemas or something. I'm not sure.
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>>152043521
50 year old Japanese stop-motion puppet animation is esoteric by pretty much any standards, and just because Kawamoto is respected doesn't change that.
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>>152043921
wow she's ripped
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Lmfao no not even clooose

Shit req thread, bad /a/ no respond
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>>152046769
How is this a req thread
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>>152046727
Esoteric to the modern anime fan maybe, but I think anyone with a non-casual interest in Japanese animation would know him at least by name.
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>>152038269
>Nichijou

wew
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>>152046823
"no, x is better"
Lurk more you fell for it.
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>>152047005
>don't discuss different anime in one thread
Wew man
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>>152037421
That's not Non Non Biyori
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>>152046769
>Lmfao

Please leave.
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>>152042010
Fuck off Digibro
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>>152042900
Fuck off Snob
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>>152042757
>The Adventures of Gamba
I want to see this again, but it is nowhere to be found.
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>>152047106
ironic shitposting is merely shitposting
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>>152046915
> the modern anime fan maybe
>modern
I'm pretty sure he's less esoteric to the modern anime fan, at least in the West, than he would have been twenty+ years ago, thanks to wider availability and the internet and all that.

> anyone with a non-casual interest in Japanese animation would know him at least by name
I don't know what your definition of "non-casual" is (your contrast of "anime fan" with "Japanese animation" is also interesting), but I've got a pretty solid powerlevel, and certainly not only modern/mainstream shit, and yet the only reason I know his name is from charts like this and random database entries that turned up when I googled him out of curiosity before.
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>>152047243
>everything I disgareee with is abit or shitposting
Dumb moeshitter
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>>152037421

No - it's people like this.
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>>152047284
Non-casual would be like, someone with an interest in the history and development of the stuff and more than a passing interest in its experimental or alternative side.
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>>152047422
Your mom faggot
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>>152037421
Arguably.
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>>152047439
DO NOT use vulgar words on 4chan.org
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>>152042609
Well yeah, considering all years apart from the current one are behind us.
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>>152043289
No one attempts to be pretentious, dumbass
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>>152040374
>MC is screaming retard with weird motivations

I think you should elaborate. If anything Ashitaka was more stoical facing his fate of the curse. His motivations were pretty plain to see as well and there was nothing particularly strange about what he wanted to achieve.

>Main girl is soulless doll

The main girl was a feral human raised by animal gods. She was hardly 'soulless' and certainly grew to change as the show went on.

>Zero character development

For some characters they were essentially established. There was no need for development as they already displayed ample depth in personality and fulfilled their role with that respect. Ashitaka may have been bland but the movie did not explicitly revolve around him as the story developed and he got caught in greater affairs than his own.
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>>152047420
Frankly, that definition seems overly specific and tailored to fit your own tastes, especially the latter bit. You're going to discount anyone who isn't big on experimental stuff as a casual, regardless of the depth/degree of their interest in other anime, really? Particularly in the context of >>152046915 , that's just silly - you say "anyone with a non-casual interest in Japanese animation would know him at least by name," but your definition of non-casual turns that into "anyone with a non-passing interest in experimental Japanese animation would know him at least by name." You're just equating experimental shit with all of anime, basically.
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>>152037421
>>152046618
English Dub >STREAMING To American Theaters tonight at 7PM AND 10PM EST

The Sub Version was on the 5th
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>>152047683
>>STREAMING To American Theaters
Wait, what? Movie theaters are streaming now? That's just retarded.
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>>152047673
Say what you like, but if someone isn't interested in the "alternative" of any art I'd consider them a casual.
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I've watched Akira. Really cool, i'm sure i'm missing some analogy though.

But why they gave superpowers to a random gang member they found on the street? It's asking for trouble.
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>>152047683
>>152047803
Straight satellite feed.
All Fathom events, (Anime movies, Live Performances,Shin Godzilla) use this
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>>152047807
DO NOT use vulgar words on 4chan.org
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>>152047851
Again, that's dumb as fuck and makes your statement in >>152046915 incredibly hollow and disingenuous. Yes, anyone who is interested in experimental animation would know about Kawamoto. That doesn't make him non-esoteric, though, because holy shit, that's pretty much the definition of esoteric - "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest."
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>>152048029
I don't think that's a particularly small number of people, or that specialized knowledge is necessary to know his name, but alright sure we can call him esoteric if you like. Basically my whole point is that nothing on that chart is too obscure, nothing there for the sake of making the chart seem more esoteric.
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>>152047616
Patently false.
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>>152048328
explain why
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>>152048463
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
>attempting to impress
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>>152048328
Are you baka desu ka?
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>>152048570
no u
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>>152037421
That's not Lucky Star
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>>152037421
What the fuck was her problem
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>>152049042
Autism


also bad writing made her and everyone else in the movie incredibly bland
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>>152037421
not even the best ghibli movie
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>>152047851
>>152047420
>anyone who doesn't have a serious interest in this specific subset of anime doesn't have a serious interest in anime at all
Kill yourself.
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>>152049628
If you don't have any interest in anything but what's mainstream and commercial, yeah you're a casual.
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>>152050268

There are levels of that, though. I'd consider "casual" to be someone who only watches JoJo and battle shounens. Where would you place the guy who brought up Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita?
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>>152050268
There's a big gap between "mainstream" and "alternative/experimental," anon. For a random example, Mahoujin Guruguru - good show, far from mainstream, but definitely not experimental, and certainly commercial. Or building off of that, someone could be really into fantasy anime - they watch that, Violinist of Hamelin, Bakuretsu Hunters, Sorceror on the Rocks, Eden's Bowy, Scrapped Princess, all that stuff. They might get into the other works of staff from those thing - maybe they like Violinist, and so they look into some of Imagawa's other stuff and become a suparobo fan and watch a bunch of old stuff in that genre and get into mecha designers and stuff like that. And before you know it they have a whole pile of little-known shows and heaps of knowledge on those topics. But you and your overly specific criteria would judge them a casual because they don't care about independent animation and WMT.
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>>152050432
Still a casual, Jinrui would be like the Arcade Fire to Jojo's Taylor Swift, to illustrate via shitty analogy.

>>152050581
I said experimental OR alternative, but I see your point and I'd agree. But to get back to my original point, I think the kinda person to dive deep and do that kind of research would likely have - at some point - come across the titles on that list whether or not he was looking for them. Like, I don't care for or watch experimental shorts or the like, but of course I know Kawamoto by name and could even name a few of his films without having seen or caring to see any.
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All you Gibli posters need to drink bleach.
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>>152051214
Name one (1) better studio than Ghibli
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>>152051251
But anon, Ghibli panders to the west and they're for normies, they're shit compared to based Godakobo probably Kinoani.
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>>152051251
Disney.
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>>152051308
>>152051312
Nice memes
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>>152045956
>Is French anime technically even anime?
If you're going by the Japanese definition, then yes. Anything animated is technically anime. The usage in English tends to mean Japanese animation though.
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>>152045956
Are American anime technically even cartoons?
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