Flip Flappers is... okay

ok

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>>152028774
>Madoka Re:Zero and Konosuba

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>>152028788
Exactly.

No shit.

>>152028774
Learn to punctuate and type better.

>rezero pleb thinks his opinion is worth anything here
Cute

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>>152028820
Also Erased.

>>152028873
I'm actually not a fan of it but it's clearly very much better then Flip Flappers in terms of story and character development and from strictly a reviewing standpoint it makes Flip Flappers look like trash in almost everything except for the animation and style.

is this going to be one of those anime with 1000+ threads complaining about the threads an anime is getting?

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>>152028820
You're right. I shouldn't have compared it to Madoke because Madoka did something that hasn't been done since Evangelion. It's in a category of its own.

>>152029018
It's completely debatable but a lot of people would agree Madoka did it better unless they're hardcore Eva fans.

It was a cool concept and the first half was great, but then they brought in the retarded mom plot and it went to shit. It should have stayed a wacky slice of life about dimension hopping lesbians.

>>152029125
Eva had better characters than Madoka.

>>152029340
Eva had twice as long to develop it's characters, and even then it was spotty.

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>>152028774
tl;dr?

>>152029018
> Madoka did something that hasn't been done since Evangelion
And what would that be?

Hm? I don't think anyone ever said it's a masterpiece.
It's better than average you average animeshit but didn't deliver on many ends and fell flat.

>>152029456
Well it's better and worse.

Better because it tried to do something different.

Worse because the writing was such an incoherent mess. At least mediocre anime follow a proper storyline even if it's boring and predictable.

>>152029375
>Eva had twice as long to develop it's characters
That's not really relevant. Better is better.

>>152029482
>At least mediocre anime follow a proper storyline
Only in the vaguest sense of the word storyline

>cant understand flip flap story
>blame it on the writing
Sad state of being OP.

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>>152028774
>Re:Zero and Konosuba

>>152029572
>leaving madoka out of it

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>>152029408
How about rocked the entire anime industry? Do you not keep up with anime news and what's trending? Do you really not remember how big of a deal Madoka was even on /a/?

>>152029597
We get one of those every year or two. By your logic SAO and SnK are great too.

>>152029577
even if shitters enjoy it it's still a good show.

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Does best episode in the history of anime mean anything to you guys?

I unironically cannot understand how anyone could rate Flip Flappers highly or as their AOTY. It was downright mediocre and I probably would've dropped it if not for the yuri, which wasn't even that good in the end because I couldn't take Papika seriously at all due to her autism.

>>152029643
Papika was such a dumb fucking character.

>>152029640
The Sayaka episodes (the only good thing about Madoka) were way better than episode 10.

>>152029623
While those shows made waves they were literally nothing compared to Madoka anon.

>>152029664
Just because you liked Madoka better doesn't mean it was actually more popular.

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>>152029643
It was an anime that enjoyed being an anime.

>>152029664
SnK was way bigger than Madoka.
Everyone and their mom watched that.

>>152029686
What is this even supposed to mean?

>>152029686
Too bad it didn't enjoy being a story too.

>>152029688
I'm talking about the anime industry not normies in America. Madoka destroyed them and was already being considered a classic even being compared to Evangelion and other legendary anime just weeks after its release. Madoka destroyed them.

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>>152028774
>shitting on flying witch
>comparing actually good shows to Re:Zero
>clearly lacks any knowledge of Japanese storytelling, especially how they write romances
What bad bait

>>152029749
I think you're underestimating how popular SnK and SAO are.
It's been said a million times, but the Nips really do have shit taste.

>>152029751
>watches anime to see pretty colors and moving pictures
>calling anyone else a pleb

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>>152028774
>Re:Zero and Konosuba

>>152029804
Nothing's wrong with konosuba anon.

>>152029770
I'm not arguing you on popularity because all of hem are popular I'm talking about awards and critic reviews and the hype behind the series. Madoka impressed people tho make anime and others whose job it is to review it and was a hit with fans as well.

>>152029834
them*
who*

This isn't even including the soundtrack for Madoka which was crazy amazing as well.

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>>152029659
I've laughed and cried many times while watching anime but episode ten of Madoka was the only anime episode to ever have me literally drooling on myself with excitement and disbelief. I'll never forget the day I watched it.

>>152029482
>because the writing was such an incoherent mess
The director already said that they hire new writer because fucked up schedule.
/a/ Already knows it way back to episode 10, and already discussed it.

>>152029686
Basically, this.

>>152030092
You're missing the point anon. All anybody is trying to say is it doesn't deserve an award for best anime of the year or anything even close.

I hate to admit it but I had a better time watching Oriemo than I did flip flappers but looks wise Flip Flap is pretty good.

>>152029686
That's one of the best ways to put it.

It embraced the medium with every single episode.

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>>152031392
It was a less comfy more colorful version of Flying Witch.

>>152031392
Plus the plot and ending seemed hyper forced in Flip Flappers. It needed so much more character development for that to even mean anything but they rushed it.

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Flip Flappers would have been better off if it was just a sketch anime with two girls with powers who explore worlds together and find themselves in sticky situations but the plot literally fucked the series in my opinion.

>>152031618
If they slowly grew feelings towards each other and became a couple I would have enjoyed that far better than the actual plot which was retarded.

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>>152029701
>colorful backgrounds, great animation
>visually interesting worlds to explore
>very big eyes
>all kinds of genre-episodes
>visual story-telling
>you can either watch it just for fun and still get the story, or overanalyze it for phallic symbolism
>builds up a lot of hype for the final arc, but subverted some popular tropes
Though if they will succeeded with that is up to debate
Personally I'm also a big fan of the last episodes, it had many great moments

>>152031562

It's the nature of the show, love it or hate it for it.

I don't think it needed anything more, explanations and reasons were left for everything if you pay attention to the imagery or the context of things, I was satisfied in the character aspect.


But it makes sense for some of it to feel forced given how it was made.


They wanted every episode to be a satisfying experience on its own, so overall the show was more about the journey than the destination, it didn't set out to build up to some big conclusion but to deliver many cool moments throughout the whole run.

They gave us plenty moments of awesomeness, or plot twists we expected, and they later subverted, and played with many of the things that would naturally fit that sort of show.

That sort of by the episode design with many small goals to meet would lead to some parts feeling forced when it comes time to finish it all off and tie the threads that made all the cool things of previous episodes possible in the first place together.

>>152031648

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ip2IsLvWNJJxYNTT5ODivaL2j5xbEoq3EhGhaUe48Gk/edit

The show's conception is quite interesting.


What the director did with all of the tropes the show tackled, on every individual episode, was fantastic.

The sudden reveals of every powerup, the henshin, the rival team, the predictable heel turn of the rival, the moments when they tackled every dramatic aspect of each character's background or their relationships, even the final episode teased with the tropes really hard by making it look like Cocona was back in the real world.

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If Flip Flappers was written as a sketch SOL comedy and maybe romance anime with the same alternate universe themes and style it could have been top five ever and a true masterpiece but instead it decided it wanted to try and play the roll of a more serious anime with a huge underlying plot point and it took itself way to seriously albeit with cute carefree characters which gives the illusion that it didn't and now it's average at best with style being one of the only memorable points of the series. It's honestly frustrating just seeing the lost potential in it.

>>152031854
If they wanted every episode to be satisfying on its own it would have made more sense as a SoL anime but that's obviously not what they wanted. They were hoping to achieve the same thing Evangelion and Madoka did in a way and create a masterpiece but it didn't happen.

>>152031907
Also I'm not talking about the deconstruction aspect of those series but the attention they got in general.*

>>152028774
>the story simply isn't that amazing
You mean the writing was crap.

>>152031618
This.
Flip Flappers had so much going for it in the very beginning of the series, namely the Pure Illusion exploration.
The instant that Yayaka appeared as a rival, I died a bit inside. From episode 3 the plot as a "race to collect all of x" appeared, and overarching plot of the anime became, I daresay, cliched. Tropes such as an evil organization, a deluded "guardian who knows what is best", experimental laboratory, and personality takeover really distracted from the uniqueness as a show.
Personally, my favorite parts were the Pure Illusion exploration, such as when they entered the painter-senpai's world. If they had expanded and built upon that, I feel like Flip Flappers would have succeeded as a much more interesting and engaging show.
However, I might be deluding myself into looking for something that was never intended to exist, and while I can say my bias blinded my enjoyment of the series, I really am sad that I didn't enjoy it to it's full potential.

>>152031855
Jesus christ that's a Cormac McCarthy tier runon sentence

>>152031999
Trips confirmes. It would also be cool if they became friends with some of the characters from pure illusion and took them to other universes to meet other characters and solve problems that they couldn't and so on and that's only one tiny thing of thousands they could have done.

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>>152032011
That's how I talk in real life.

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>>152031907
Let's see what the director had to say about it.

>>152028774
>mild at best soundtrack
No. Fuck you. Not reading further. SHove your bait thread up your ass.

>>152032232
Compare it to an anime like Inuyasha's soundtrack for example if you want to see just how sad it truly is in the face of a good anime soundtrack that's meshes well with the series or Madoka.

>>152031618
Literally remove the plot and make it more like Space Dandy.

>>152031635
They couldn't write decent friendship, what makes you think they could write romance?

>>152032264
Speed Racer and Eva also.

>>152032264
Fuck off. Just because you think it's not good compared to other big shots doesn't mean it's bad.

>>152032299
Also FMA. The point is there are tons but Flip Flap doesn't do music "well" you can say.

>>152028774
I rate i comment i subscribe i hit that like button now go blow your brains out

>>152032267
>Space Dandy.
It wont be big as FlipFlap current fanbase then and the sales too probably (though I'm not sure myself on how well space dandy sold), space dandy threads are dead without reaching bump limit most of the time and even if it did, those were days old. Yeah, it could be like space dandy and I would still enjoyed it though.

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>>152032264
Sorry, those didn't have one of the best executed uses of an insert battle theme song for a big climax battle.


https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/27687

>>152032310
Of course it doesn't hold up with big shot anime because it's not a big shot anime which is the point of this whole thread.

So is there actual yuri in Flip Flappers or just teasing bullshit?

>>152032375
They are just friends.

>>152032375
Cocona and Papika fist each other while wearing wedding dresses.

>>152032352
When the intro to the world only god knows has more awards than all the music in Flip Flappers put together that's a sign the music isn't that great.

>>152032375
Teasing.

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>>152032375
Look at these friends being friends.

>>152032424
So both of them confessing their love for each other and running away together doesn't count?

>>152032423
Why are you baiting so hard? You don't belong here. Fuck off.

>>152032454
They ran away to the real world though for more adventures.Though the confession was gay as fuck.

>>152032459
The musics not good anon. Compare it to Clannad even. I can go on and on about anime with better music with awards to back them up. You're choosing to argue one of this series biggest weaknesses.

You can argue FLCL did pretty
much everything Flip Flapers did but better and that's saying something.

Now that I think about it if FLCL came out today it would likely do better than a lot of anime.

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I'm just relieved /a/ isn't completely over run with hyper moe casual rejects yet. I thought I'd be arguing with the entire thread.

>>152029643
AOTS because this season was weak

>>152033405
2016 Fall was by far the strongest season in the last 2 years.

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>>152033484
>2 years

You're really reaching for the sky aren't you buddy?

>>152031648
>subverted some popular tropes
Which ones?

>>152033640
Suffering end in a mahou shojo comes to my mind.

>>152032821
FLCL didn't have retarded writing on top of shallow characters.

>>152033807
How is that a trope? I don't think it's done by the majority of shows let alone to the point of being so obligatory that it needs to be subverted.

>>152029686
As in sticking a bunch of tropes and cliches together but still failing to make them enjoyable by superimposing really mediocre plot and characters on them most of the time?
I have to admit that I sort of enjoyed how some things in the show looked and were designed but I think there's really better works that play around with creative animation and were consequent about doing just that.

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I think NGNL did far better in storytelling and world building and almost as good in style with a plot that didn't seem forced and good comedy elements. The only reason people hate it is because normies like it but during the time it was airing /a/ loved it. I won't be surprised if the same happens with Flip Flap.

>>152033937
>normies
You are one of them.

>>152033983
I don't really care anymore. All I know is I love anime.

>>152032390
>>152032424
How can people call bait when the director talks about yuri in his interviews? At least they're not being coy about it, unlike the YOI crew.

>>152034109
It's a little something I like to call not being a cowering bitch because last I checked he's all talk and no action. A kiss would have made the series a lot better but he didn't take the risk because he didn't have the balls.

>>152034208
The original Utena anime didn't have a kiss, but no one's calling that bait.

>>152028774
What show from last year handled its exposition better? All anime does most of the time is just shove infodumps down the throats of the viewer.

>>152034237
Prove it?

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Holy fuck some /a/nons here are retarded.

You know what you are going, you are comparing a show that was on a much smaller budget, with much smaller names behind it, with a director that has no experience directing an entire series and a studio that has had no success to fucking Madoka and Eva.

Part of the reason people think of this show so highly is because it should have been nothing, it should have been by all accounts shit. And it wasn't.

Flipflappers may have had a weak ending, it may have not been perfect in every regard, it maybe have not had as strong a OST or have had as great animation all the way through but it was a original anime produced by a small studio with a brand new director.

So lets look at the show in terms of relativity as opposed to just shitting on it just because for some reason there is a fucking circlejerk against, what was in the end, a great show.

>>152029375
FLCL had better characters than Madoka and was two times shorter than Madoka. Millennium Actress had better characters than Madoka and was four times shorter. House of Small Cubes had better characters than Madoka and was twenty six times shorter.

Time is not an excuse.

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>>152034293
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM
Wow you actually make me sick anon. The whole point of this thread is saying it's a good anime but it's not among the best. That's the whole point!

Madoka is overrated anyway, it just anons felt the experience of the threads warrant it to be a masterpiece.

>>152033867
>Sailor Moon
>Cardcaptor Sakura
>Nanoha
>Princess Tutu
>Utena
>Uta Kata
>Madoka
>Yuuki Yuuna
It's pretty damn common.

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>>152034317

>>152034379
Now list all the shows that don't do it.

>>152034349
In my opinion it is amongst the best, I know opinions don't matter here but some of the shit being said about this show is frankly bollocks.

Some of it will be bait but I imagine a lot of it isn't. Its people who did not understand what the show was and what it was trying to do.

>>152034293
>implying Madoka and Eva had budget

>>152034464
Implying madoka didn't have a budget.

>>152029643
It would have been good if they removed papika, or just not ntr yayaka so hard in the end. Shit show

>>152034374
If you connected with something called the real world and followed anime in Japan you'd realize nothing came close to what Madoka did the the industry except Eva and that's not even completely comparable because Anime is crazier in modern times and it still accomplished what it did.

>>152034109
Director talked about yuri elements and how much was okay. This is without a doubt yuri teasing but at the end of the day, it's nothing but a story about friendship.

>>152034293
>you are comparing a show that was on a much smaller budget
Just like Madoka and Eva?

>>152034464
A budget to fix BDs.

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>>152034293
>should have been nothing
Do you not remember how Madoka was advertised? Try learning before you express your thoughts.

Madoka is pretty much one of the first anime that comes to mind when you think of something that was supposed to be average at best and completely sucker punched the audience with a good series.

>>152029701
>"fun, what is that, anon?"
i feel sorry for you.

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>>152033351
>hyper moe casual
If there's an 'enemy' to flip flap threads, it's not this. moe and casual don't mix, first of all. second, moe is good and flip flappers is moe. what do you think the swimsuit episode and yuri relations are?

>>152032821
FLCL is a better "classic otaku-aimed coming of age story" than literally every other anime in existence.

It's also a better example of "an anime that loves being anime" (what the fuck does that even mean anyway, it can be applied to literally dozens of shows every season)

Apparently Flip Flappers didn't love "being an anime" enough since it felt the need to insert all that self-serious shit done badly

>>152035269
It was a terrible show when you look at it objectively and get past the shock factor

Guys "883" That's terrible！

I'm sad.

It might not be AOTY because of the mediocre animation and garbage PLOT, but I don't give a fuck because I quite enjoyed the mix of action, adventure, and thematic depth all enriched within this series.

Dramafags don't realize that they've been consuming the same formula again and again, and moefags are just driven by their desires.

>>152035885
What is that, sales numbers?

>>152035923

yes ;_;

>>152035939
I thought it was ranking decently well on Oricon?

>>152035632
Nothing really terrible about it and nothing objective about your opinion.
I'm not super impressed by the writing and mostly enjoy the show for its atmosphere but even if it doesn't suit your taste it should be solid but boring at worst.

>>152032375
Nail clippers

>>152035885
That would be too hilarious to be true.

>>152036006
un...yeah

what's wrong?

>>152029018
they took anime for children and made it edgy? truly a revolution

>>152035885
>being 1/883
do I have shit taste or not?

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Reminder that Flip Flappers is AOTY 2016 and there's nothing you can do about it

>>152035632
How about no.

>>152036086
I have no idea. Where is 883 coming from?

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>>152036143
>implying there is anything I want to do about it

>>152036165
Anon's butthole. Please prove me wrong, anon.

Guys "57" That's terrible！

I'm sad.

>>152036096
Yes it actually is but you can make anything sound bad when you say it like that and magical girl series aren't just for kids.

>>152036165
　
oh! I wrong.Not oricon(it's tomorrow)

I heard it from an anime club

>>152036204
Madoka only worked when nobody really knows what happens next. Now the gig is up and everyone knows it's that anime where a girl gets her head bitten off in third episode

>>152036143
For the people who watch about 5 anime per year, sure. Like the faggot arguing about how revolutionary Madoka is.

>>152036269
What

>>152035489
Kek.

>>152036272
No because most people who watched it heard about ot from friends who told them it was dark including me so I already knew what I was In for and it still was amazing. You're just searching for reasons to hate Madoka even though it's arguably one of the best anime of this generation.

>>152036389
It*

>>152036309
tbqh, I really hate some parts of it and won't recommend it to others, but the fact that flipflap got aoty while we can do nothing about it makes me feel good. I don't know why. The feeling is quite complicated.

>>152036569
>got aoty
It's not an award, you dip

>>152036309
Madoka is revolutionary?

>>152036625
Learn to read.

>>152036665
The way you typed that makes it pretty clear you don't agree.

>>152036728
I don't, but that's beyond the point. The point is that guy obviously doesn't watch anime.

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Madoka is easily the best anime since 2000 and is arguably considered to be one of the greatest of all time.

>>152036143
I fail to see how an anime which tried to be too many things at the same time then - as it started to run out of time - rushed a huge infodump to keep the plot cobbled together, not to mention the rather anticlimatic closure. It certainly had its strong points, but it was just too fragmented to be considered the AOTY 2016 for me.

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>>152036817
Fool! Thinking that any normal user on /a/ doesn't watch anime clearly just shows how ignorant you truly are. For instance it's said that to be considered an anime expert in the real world you need to watch 20-30 full series and that's literally nothing compared to average users of /a/. To give you an idea of somebody like the average /a/nons powerlevel compared to an anime "expert" imagine that PuiPui is what you'd consider to be an expert and Vegita an average user of /a/.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aG5oTmipkd8
That's the difference.

Flip Flappers was a lot better than Madoka with no forced dark elements and an unconditional happy ending with better sakuga and visual direction. Those other two LN adaptations are obviously trash, it would too much of an insult to myself to even call them by their names.

>>152036982
>Flip Flappers
>Infodump
The show followed the show-don't-tell-principle to the end.

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>>152037062
Keep practicing.

>>152037096
Maybe infodump was not the best term to use, but the change from "random stuff happens" to "Quickly, we need flashbacks to fill in the gaps!" was rather abrupt.

>>152037118
I see Madokatards are still cancer considering fish bait images have been passe for quite some time now.

Just watched the first 3 episodes and I can't seem to get into this. Does it get better or does it use the same formula for the rest of the show?

>>152037232
Retro is the future. You're just not in with the now.

>>152037281
Drop it and be free.

>>152037281
>or does it use the same formula for the rest of the show?
It does, which is something a lot complain/shitpost about.

>>152037281
No it doesn't. Instead of exploring cool worlds and funny moments they start trying really hard to force a heavy plot down where it's clearly not welcome and it ruins the series.

>>152037215
Using flashbacks after they had already established they can just visit memories through PI was really, really bullshit and fucking dumb.

>>152037413
That "heavy plot" was strongly hinted at since episode 1. It's not the show's fault if you didn't pick up on it.

>>152037319
>It doesn't, which is something a lot complain/shitpost about
Fixed.

>>152037551
That doesn't make it any less different from the first few episodes nor any less unwelcome when it hits.

>>152037551
You cant expect these simple anons to understand until it hit their face where they suddenly complaint about it.

>>152037551
Yea but it needed to stay in the background and not become focused exclusively on it. It made the series bad.

>>152037689
>It made the series bad.
It didn't, though, it just had some pacing problems at the end of episode 12.

>>152037551
It was there, but with not enough episodes to a more gradual change from lighthearted adventures to a darker, underlying plot, the change in tone, it still felt somewhat jarring.

It's like the OP said. It's okay.

>>152034424
Mahou Shoujo? I don't know any, it's a pretty fuckin common trope. Mai-hime and pleiades also had it.

>>152034464
Eva is still one of the best animated shows to this day.

I dunno, I thought it was straight up bad. I could single out a lot of good elements, like production value and visual creativity, but it's really not a good show. I had really high hopes for it too. I won't give up on Oshiyama just yet though, his approach to directing seems alright judging by the recent interview, and this was his first time doing it. Probably held back by some combination of length restrictions and the fact that it's hard to make no-name originals without some degree of compromise.

>>152038302
I just really wouldn't classify something as general as a happy or sad ending as a trope or anything that's impressive to subvert desu.

>>152035632
>when you look at it objectively
I like this meme. Art and entertainment can't be judged this way. "Looking at something objectively" is supposed to be used for a situation, a document, or something that has a lawful element to it.
I know this was a bait but I had to address this.
I can also say that Eva was "objectively" nothing but people crying and howling like asylum inmates but that wouldn't be even close to reality, isn't it?

>>152038325
Eva had great presentation but if we're strictly talking about animation, I really wouldn't say so.
While it had great scenes it also shamelessly cut corners. Rather than having enormous budget it just knew what to do with what it had.

>>152038630
Where did it cut corners?

>>152033807
>>152034379
>>152038302
Flip Flappers had as much a "suffering end" as at least half of these, you're probably just heavily emphasizing the bittersweet aspect of those shows and ignoring how it's still there in Flip Flappers though Mimi and Salt.

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>>152038630
There weren't that many still frames in Evangelion.

>>152038793
Mimi and Salt were perfectly fine at the end though

>>152038906
So were Ahiru, Fakir, Rue, Mytho and even fucking Drosselmeier, yet he listed Tutu as a suffering end.

>>152034416
You know it's true

>>152038906
Yeah, I suppose that's why Mimi cried when she said goodbye to him.

>>152038762
The famous elevator scene or Eva01-holding-Kaworu.gif for instance or, you know, the last two episodes.

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>>152036143
Reminder that OPM is a better show and got AOTY 2015

>>152028774
The show is okay if you average together the first half (which was great) and the second half (which was quite bad). Both the animation and the pacing in the second half were just awful.

And it's not that there was a major problem with the plot, but it would've been nice if there was less focus on it. FliFla became popular on /a/ because of its charming worlds, pretty scenery, and symbolic imagery. They should've focused more on that instead of making a convoluted mad scientist/split personality/benjamin button story that took them way too long to explain.

>>152028774
>>152028774
There's literally nothing wrong with visuals being the best point of an anime. People value plot and story complexity way too much.

That being said, Flip Flappers isn't amazing or anything; it's OK, just like you said.

>>152039331
>And it's not that there was a major problem with the plot
I still don't get what the fuck was up with Papika's age regression, it just seemed like a poorly tied up end. Not to mention the underused or downright useless elements like memory altering or Nyunyu.

>>152039133
I don't think it counts as corner cutting if the end result beats a more expensive alternative, artistically. I think animation is more than just number of frames. I hate this expression, but those scenes "use the medium to its fullest" and accentuate key dramatic moments in ways that fuller animation couldn't have. Perhaps they were born out of necessity (and there's good evidence to suggest that) but I wouldn't consider it so much as cutting corners as I would taking a different route altogether.

>>152039289
>One Joke Man
>better than FLFL
FLFL was at least emotionally engaging and had various short stories with a lot of references and hype content. OPM was nothing but fireworks.

Flip Flappers and Flying Witch are better than Madoka, Re: Zero and Konosuba though.

>>152039469
>I don't think it counts as corner cutting if the end result beats a more expensive alternative, artistically
You think wrong. You can do it lazily or creatively but cutting corners is still cutting corners.

>>152039562
I agree with you except on the Madoka part

>>152039464
Remember the "Direct Drive"? I'm still not sure what the point of that shit was after all

>>152039469
Why do people bother talking with retards like you who reject reality to substitute their own? You're disgusting.

>Alice in Wonderland
Is actually Hansel and Gretel you illiterate fuck

>>152039469
I never said that I think those scenes are bad but they don't speak for Eva's budget and that's what we were talking about.
A good series doesn't need to have a huge budget. That's the point.

>>152039608
What?

>>152039632
Oh okay, I agree with you then.

So after reading over this thread I've learned that Madoka is the best anime to ever grace this earth and that Flip Flappers is stylish but lacks substance.

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>>152028774
>compared to other series like Madoka Re:Zero and Konosuba if we want to go relatively recent anime it's nothing

>>152039600
>ELPIS is shaped like a cassette player
>direct drive is used to play cassettes at 33 or 45 rpm

You can connect the dots yourself. Flip Flappers has a lot of those small plot points and references that you can either already know or look up for yourself to get more enjoyment out of the show. There's also nothing wrong with assuming that Direct Drive just referred to their experiments with Mimi and was some sort of codename.

>>152039725
>shit taste
Nigger, the OP is obvious bait. That's the part that gives it away the most even.

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>>152039464
>or Nyunyu
>underused
That was pretty much the point of this character.

>>152039764
Yeah sure Direct Drive just referred to the fact Papika and Mimi could go to PI but then what's the point of being super ominous about it namedropping it on ep3 making it seem like it is relevant to KKK's aims then have it turn out that Papika never really mattered and they just wanted Mimi back (who promptly dismantled all of them in 2 minutes)

The show was produced by Infinite, which is used by the Anime Consortium to waste Chinese investor money by financing sakugashit like Regalia and Flip Flappers.
Wouldn't even surprise me if the producers just started some weird behind-the-scenes shenanigans to purposefully mess up the production schedule to embezzle the money through creative accounting.

>>152039659
Pretty much.

>>152039838
To be completely pointless?

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>>152039874
And to fire Chekhov's Gun.

>>152039564
Maybe I've got my idioms wrong, but I always took corner cutting as making sacrifices in order to save time and money. I don't see any sacrifices here, which is where I'm coming from.

>>152039839
It was always their goal to resurrect Mimi, calling her Papikana und namedropping the direct drive was more a thing of him going: "Oh, that is that girl from back then."

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I would fuck all the girls from Madoka but I wouldn't touch the girls from Flip Flappers and I'm pretty sure you all know why.

>>152039934
>muh Chekov's Gun
How did this meme begin? People are now spouting it as if it actually justified anything.

>>152039839
That and calling her Papikana were early hints that the KKK knew something about Papika that she wasn't telling Cocona and later we learn, if you didn't piece it together yourself, that they are actually the new and reformed research organization that ran experiments with Papikana in the past. It's just a pretty outright hint that there is a deeper story happening than just two girls going on adventures and that Papika isn't all that she seemed.

>>152039564
>here
You were talking about Eva though.

>>152040038
you can see then how many people think the plot is badly told then, hopefully. scenes which call so much attention to themselves but turn out to be completely irrelevant are generally poor structure, and this was not an exception

if they had namedropped mimi at that point instead of all that gibberish it would've been pretty okay

>>152040107
Fucked up my quote, meant for >>152039988

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>>152040113
I'm not listening to someone that is not able to use punctuation and capitalization.

>>152040107
not him but i'm pretty sure by 'here' he means eva. as in "the 20-second stills actually work inherently regardless of budget considerations"

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>>152039838
>No, you don't understand! Nyunyu is just an IRONICALLY bad character

>>152040179
If that's the case he's clinically retarded, but I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.

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>>152040163
What about somebody with a sweet set of dubs?

>>152040219
i agree with him though. maybe your taste is just subpar???

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>>152040060
>implying Nyu needs justification
She's just there, being Nyu.

>>152029404
OP does not like thing, largely because he is treating visual design and depth-of-meaning as being highly separable from each other.

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>>152040244
Those Dubs were meant for me! Take responsibility!

>>152040113
>if they had namedropped mimi
But Mimi isn't the one that shoved her head through the portal. They hadn't seen Papika for years and might have just assumed that she was dead, whereas they knew exactly where Mimi was. They didn't even tell the children what their plan was, so why would their leader just randomly spill it?

I can see how many people think the plot is badly developed, but only because they use other anime as reference where the only brainpower you need is to not forget the characters' names. Even if it's pretty blatant, when even the dumbest viewer sees Salt's dad corrupted and appearing as the KKK leader, they'll get an "Aha" moment when they remember that scene in ep 3 where he was already talking about Papikana by her real name.

>>152040107
Yeah, here = Eva obviously.

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>>152040266
>mfw people talking shit about Nyunyu

>>152040322
>why would their leader just randomly spill it?
of course the entire scene would have to be completely different in context for the mimi name to come up

>>152040244
>>152040346
I'm trying but I can't bend my mind around the idea of someone believing Eva doesn't cut corners. I have no choice but to believe you're pretending.

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If Flip Flappers is so good then why isnt there that much Hentai for it already?

>>152040536
Because Cocona touches herself at night.

>>152040509
I didn't say eva didn't cut corners, I responded to the implication that said cut corners lessened the quality of the scenes

I mean it's not like Anno didn't also use long takes in the much higher-budget Nadia but whatever

>>152040536
GOT EMMM!!

>>152040595
>I don't see any sacrifices here
>i agree with him
>I didn't say eva didn't cut corners

>>152040677
I agree in that I don't see any qualitative sacrifice in those famous still shot scenes. I don't really care whether it fits the 'cutting corners' definition, there are much better examples of corner-cutting within the same show anyways so defending those scenes doesn't really contradict anything

>>152040509
If you wanna say those scenes were done cheaply then yeah, that's a fact, but I don't think they lessened the quality of the show in the slightest.

>>152040717
You can always do better. I think that's the point.

>>152040715
>>152040717
I said nothing about quality, as that is subjective as fuck. I said it's obviously cutting corners because one of you faggots said it isn't. You're the ones making it about taste for some reason.

>>152040787
I see where both of you are coming from. Try and think about it from the other persons perspective.

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What was the point of Mob-chan?

>>152040787
>I don't see any sacrifices here

>'here'
>You were talking about EVA though

The implication is that you do see sacrifices 'there' so I took it as you basically claiming that those scenes are subpar because of the still shots

>>152040850
He's to break the sexual tension between the girls and I'm not even joking.

>>152040850
She's Yayaka's first harem member.

>>152040766
Of course, but we can't go calling everything corner cutting just because, given infinite resources, it could have been better, right? That's sorta what I'm trying to say.

>>152040787
What's your definition of cutting corners?

>>152040872
Because I actually couldn't fathom someone would be saying Eva made no sacrifices. And I still barely can't.
>>152040915
Are we really going there? Really? Long still shots or stock footage isn't enough for you?

>>152041078
Oh so you do think the still shot scenes are making sacrifices (of what?)

To be honest out of the three famous ones (ep4 ending, elevator, kaworu) none come about with corner-cutting as a clear motivation or explanation. In fact the most obvious one that is clearly just being economical is the one in episode 1, in the elevator where they talk about the setting while we just see a shadow of Shinji in a purple background over a pan. I guess being a pan sort of counteracts the feeling but it's a much better example of EVA's (actually pretty blatant) corner-cutting than the three famous stills

>>152036982
Because it won the poll

>>152041078
At least not in those scenes, is what I believe. Almost definitely elsewhere but nothing comes to mind.

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>>152041198
>>152041284
>Oh so you do think the still shot scenes are making sacrifices
>At least not in those scenes
This is crazy talk. You're crazy people.

You almost got me to reply, op. Almost. But the flying witch remark at the end gave you away. So no reply from me.

>>152041352
But you just replied. Probably didn't even sage either, faggot.

>>152041345
Getting out of the semantics talk about what corner cutting is, you haven't really given an argument as to why those scenes fail and what sacrifices they are making.

Flip Flap defenders, explain to me why Senpai went back to normal at the end.

>>152041486
She didn't go 'back' she just naturally got that spark for art inside of her and it awoke again after seeing the climactic scene from her window

>>152041486

She never said she would stop painting. She just threw out the paintings she didn't like anymore.

>>152041462
I don't believe I have to since it should be obvious to anyone sane enough and you haven't given an argument as to why those scenes aren't cutting corners either. With all you've said so far you might as well argue the same about the walk of infodump in Kyousogiga.

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>>152041860
>I shouldn't have to support my claims with evidence because the whole world should just see things my way
okay.

>>152041860
You're a fuck you know that?

>>152041934
Try googling consensus reality one of these days.
>>152041960
Yes.

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Why are you guys replying to a thread where OP thinks Reddit Zero and Madoka are good?

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>>152041978
Holy shit this is one of the most shameless misapplications of meme epistemology I've seen on /a/ in a while.
Finish that degree of yours before you try to tackle the hard stuff, bud.

>>152042161
Because I'm replying to a guy who think Madoka is bad and Konosuba is good.

>>152042196
That's rich coming from someone trying to argue about where to draw the line between cutting corners or choosing to have minute long stills in your animation for reasons.

>>152042161
But Madoka is good.

>>152042161
Because even if he's baiting unlike you at least he has the courage to have and write out his own opinion even if it doesn't match the consensus you're pretending to be there so you won't actually have to argue.

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>>152032375
They are just going through a phase and will grow up to be normal heterosexual girls.

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>>152042327
>ad hominem
You're just going down the list now, guy. At least try to hide the fact that you're desperate.
I jumped into this conversation because you're a putz using weasel words to claim your half-assed non-argument as fact. I don't give a toss about corner cutting, but if you're going to make a conclusion and pretend like it's the right one, pitch some premises. Your ass wouldn't be so hurt right now if you could've figured that important step out on your own.

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>>152042398
The giant mechanical cigar is especially symbolic of friendship

>>152042417
>you're desperate
>Your ass wouldn't be so hurt
>I jumped into this conversation
>I don't give a toss about corner cutting
Not sure if baiting hard or an actual wannabe epistemologist butthurt about one of his memes, but if you're not interested in the discussion just fuck off. The fact is no one does minute long stills in their animation unless they have to due to lack of resources, so prove me wrong or fuck off too.

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>>152042547

>>152044005
I can't get over this Cocona

>>152044005
What's that thing Cocona is holding?

>>152044250
She has a name, it's Yayaka

>>152044250
It's Yayaka's hairclip. It seems like she just took it out to let Yayaka's bangs down.

>>152039538
>hype content
What does this mean? Not even who you were replying too, I just don't think I've heard a more empty phrase before.

>>152044403
Yayakas henshin for instance.

>>152044194
Much better than Mimi.

How to improve FLFL
>Papika has no connections to Salt and Mimi
>Mimi and Salt were the original PI travellers under the supervision of Asclepius and had a baby together. Mimi delivered Cocona in PI and was trapped in it because of some experiment fuckery, but managed to hand her over to Salt before he got sucked back to the real world. Mimi had more control over PI so she sent Salt and baby Cocona far away from the claws of the organization.
>Salt teamed up with two other independent PI scientists, Sayuri and Hidaka, to do further research for a while. He was later captured by Asclepius afterwards but manage to give Cocona up for adoption first because he wants her to have a normal life, which is why grandma (not a robot this time), adopted her.
>Hidaka and Sayuri managed to rescue Salt and went underground, avoiding further Asclepius detection. They recruit Papika, a mysterious puppy-like girl who has an unexplained interest in PI to try to go back into it because Salt wanted to meet Mimi one last time and talk to her, while Asclepius wants to bring Mimi back from the dead and make her their puppet to have control over PI.
>Papika eventually sniffed out Cocona and chose her as PI partner. Salt didn't know she was his daughter at first.
>He eventually knew but refrain silent because he does not want to complicate things for Cocona and still want to finish everything before forever banning Cocona from going into PI.
>Papika was an inhabitant of PI who has always wanted to visit the real world
She got out of PI because of the past Asclepius/Mimi incident and wishes to find a partner to go back to PI together and thank Mimi, and she found Cocona.
>Asclepius is the final villain, Nyunyu is their strongest soldier. The story with Yayaka is the same.
>In the end FLFL won and they manage to see Mimi again, at the cost of Papika being sucked back into PI because of a final desperate act from the defeated Nyunyu. (cont.)

>>152045803
I'll give you a chance because of your cont. but so far you've ruined it by stranding Papika in PI.

>Everyone but Papika and Mimi were kicked out back to the real world with no way of going back into PI again. Before the gates between the two closed, however, Cocona shed two tear drops and the smaller one landed in PI near Papika, forming a small shard. Cocona has one in her palm.
>Mimi helped Papika use the shard to wish for the one thing she wants the most, and that is to go back into the real world with Cocona. Simultaneously, Cocona held onto her tear shard while leaning onto Papika's tube house, making the same wish.
>Papika reappeared the same way she did in episode 1 and instead of just sniffing she gave Cocona an eskimo kiss, to which Cocona pulled her in and kiss her for real. THE END
>Yayaka formed a bond with Yuyu much to Toto's dismay. Grandma unfortunately passed away and Cocona came to live with Papika, Salt, Hidaka, and Sayuri.

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>>152045803
>>152046080
There was nothing wrong with the original show.
You've made things far more ordinary.

Not would hire for a writer change/10.

>>152028774
>Re:Zero
Also Alice in Wonderland didn't invent the "girl goes to a colorful magicworld" genre, episode 2 was a straight reference, but the significans is pretty small when you look how much stuff got referenced.
Also, by your logic Alica in wonderland would have a bad plot too
>girl gets in crazy world
>meets a few characters that didn't really show up again
>gets into trouble
>tfw worst copout ending, it was a dream all along
Both are more about the adventure itself and the subtle moments then the actual plot

Your point about yuri is stupid too, you call them out for not deciding, but they most certainly have, it's just not what you wanted.

If you couldn't get that much enjoyment out of this show it's totally ok, but the points you make are very weak

>>152036389
he just pointed out that the aspect you called said didn't happen since eva was very situational and played with expectations
a lot (not hating)
Even if you liked it after knowing about it the initial reaction while it aired played a huge rolemaking it as popular as it is.
If early trailers showed the edgy violant parts before it would be at least sligthly less popular

>>152045803
>>152046080
You kept all the stuff I didn't like and basically just shuffled things around. 5/10 couldn't hurt to try.

There's a certain kind of merit to a show that everyone wants to fix in their own way. Perhaps not a very good kind.

>>152046742
What didn't you like then?

>>152029282
I say it started falling when they introduced the Mahou shoujo transformation

should've just been two lesbians on an adventure in dream wonderland

>>152047127
But they introduced the glowy-hair powerup right in episode 1.

>>152047156
glowy hair is one thing
but full on transformation is another

thought it was going to be its own thing but turned out to be a Madoka clone

>>152047127
I say it started falling when Cocona met Papika.

I should have just one boring girl living her boring life full of emptiness.

>>152047206
Yeah, I was right on the mark: fuck off.

>>152028774
>I prefer to become the most hated show than been forgotten a week after it was over
Genius.

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>>152047206
>turned out to be a Madoka clone

>>152044005
Papika is fucking ruined

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Is Papika a nigger? Or a bulldog?

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>>152047287
kys

>>152047287
No

>>152044005
Now that's a Cocona worthy of my coconuts.

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>>152047305
>Not liking short hair Papika

>>152047444
I was talking about the tits

>>152047444
TANOMO

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>Cockona

>>152039839

She was half or part of the papikana because she was what remained of her after the accident broke her down.

A lot of scenes in the show were deliberately made to tease the audience, paying attention to the show and the director's interviews make that more than clear.

A lot of shit was given emphasis at a time just because it would seem cool or provided hype at the time, and it still makes sense but it doesn't seem as big of a deal later in hindsight but that's not the point, the point was it being cool back when you see it for the first time.

It wanted the viewer to start connecting dots, making connections, assumptions and wild guesses.

They hyped KKK as being this huge powerful organization, and left Mimi's dream scenes vague since the start, and later they entirely switch that around.

>>152047444
What a cute girl(male)

>>152047379
Young adult Cocona is actually perfect.
I can't even imagine how 5 years added so much sex appeal but they definitely did. She easily surpasses Mimi

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>>152047464
>Not liking big tits Papika

>>152041486
>>152041518

Cocona (and the viewer) were both misled about what happened to Senpai.

They changed something inside of her deep pure illusion, that changed her in an internal way yeah. But it didn't turn her into a different person.

That was Cocona's worry, her anxiety made her think a lot had changed and it was all her fault.

They just helped her deal with an internal old trauma.

An artist throwing a paint away is really no big deal, why make big connections to it or jump to conclusions and get all worked up and worried about it?

The big change was that now she wasn't carrying the burden of her childhood trauma.
Now she was free to make friends, try new things, and enjoy life more, but she was still into art and in the end we see that part of her still there.

>>152046856
It still replaces the introspective, symbolic aspects of the first half with external, straightforward threats. I don't know how I would change that. There's the obvious starting point of "Cocona and Mimi as the same person," but that's way TOO obvious and doesn't lead to anything except vacuous 2deep4u soliloquies that we've all heard a thousand times before in other shows. So keep the basic facts, but address them in a less "cookie-cutter finale but with melting clocks and lesbians" way.

Oh, and if you're gonna do a Boss Run, do some of the ones we DIDN'T already see. I'm all for shows that take their off-screen content to their graves, but missing opportunities that good is a tragedy.

I wonder if The Property of Hate ever started updating again. Bet that guy could write one helluva ending.

>>152047825
It was interesting that she was sitting at a blank canvas trying to come up with something.

I bet her style changed.

>>152028774
I refused to watch this show because I heard there was potentially yurifaggotry in it. Lesbians are disgusting and I'm sick of it being inserted into everything, so it automatically isn't worth shit for that alone.

>>152048354
Quite possibly, but isn't that somewhat common for artists anyway?

Help! I can't stop saying flip-flap!
Flip-flap!

>>152048442
Flip flap, flip flap! 遠い声で

>>152048185
That's not how a boss rush works.

The entire deal with them is going back to all the previously defeated bosses at once, in quick succession.

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=887068

>>152048442
1) Pick up a book, ideally one with heavy pages and illustrations
2) Holding the left cover in your let hand, press your right thumb against the edges of the pages
3) Bend the pages inward with your thumb and convexly with your right fingers until they shuffle past your hand
4) ???
5) FlipFlap!

>>152048442
shout it as loudly as possible outside until you find another flip flapper or transform into a magical girl

>>152048566
Is anyone planning on subbing the BDs?

>>152048682
CR subs are fine with a 0.5 second offset.

>>152048682
If no one does by June, I'll learn how to.

You just aren't smart enough to understand it

>>152048380
Fuck off fujoshit.

>>152028774
didn't read lol

>>152039600

I can see the point of it from a direction perspective.

Did it sound cool?
Did it make you want to see what it was all about?


Alternatively, we're analyzing dialogue from a character that was actually insane at the time so some delusional talk makes sense in that context.

And it's also referencing audio tech stuff the staff liked, see
>>152039764

>>152048380
But anon you should.
>yurishit
>darkshit
>2deep4u
>sakugashit
>symbolism
I hate all of them but cannot stop watching it. I hope you will like it.

>>152049050
also
>well executed parodies/references to so many genres and things
>constant bait and switch and fake outs on the viewer's expectations of where those tropes tend to go

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>>152047551
>Papicunt

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see this, what do?

>>152051615
Wait until she happens to be my age, then free her.

How did Papika know how to speak when she grew up all alone in the dicktree?

>>152051615
her hair is so fluffy

>>152051692
Latent memories? It's not like she had a huge vocabulary to begin with.

>>152051700
Long haired, oppai, straight Papicake a best

>>152047444
I want to fuck adult Papika.

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>>152049050
>>152049240
I like all of that garbage except for yurishit. Yurishit is a deal breaker. Women exist to be used by men, thus yurifaggotry is only acceptable preceding ffm threesomes.

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>>152051730
Uhhhhh, Papika is a rocket scientist. I'm sure her vocabulary is very many bigs!