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Can someone explain me this,is Irisviel a servant now?

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Can someone explain me this,is Irisviel a servant now?
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90% of FGO is bullshit. Pay it no heed
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Connection to the root same as Shiki
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>>152024977
Don't think about it and just enjoy the fanart.
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>>152024996
>>152025011
>>152025321
I just don´t understend,and everyone ship her with the black Kiritsugu
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>>152025885
Kiritsugu abused time magic to become a nigger much like Shirou abusing projection magic.
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It's an alternate universe where Iri was the best homunculus or something, so summoned Artoria and they won the grail war there, but would have led to the end of the world, so there was some kind of bullshit where an Assassin Kiritsugu was summoned by the... I forget what. Grail?... to intervene.

Then Iri became a caster because reasons. I don't know.
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>>152024977
Don't
-Nasu
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>>152026298
>we could have had just a plain sequel to FSN instead of these kinds of garbage alternative universe stories
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>>152026298
wew
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>>152026813
You did, it's called F/HA.
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>>152024977

"We need to revive this dead character to milk more cash off of her popularity, so we'll make her a goddess whose dressed like a stripper"

-Someone at Type-Moon
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>>152026813

Why would we need a sequel?

The Grail's done. It's finished. Extra finished after HA.

Making a proper sequel means either bullshitting with the kaleidoscope again like HA which would be repetitive, or picking a single ending which is something they won't do.
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You guys think thats bad? If so, what was the General reaction to primate murder around here?
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>>152028141

I wish the prisma lolis got the stripper deal pushed onto them.
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>>152028141
nice,would she meet Saber again?
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>>152024977
Kiritsugu never met Isrisviel and went on to become a Hero of Justice and signed a contract with the World becoming a Counter Guardian.

The HGW then occurs with Artoria and Heaven's Feel comes true with Angrya. Kiritsugu is summoned to fulfill his duty of stopping the madness while (You) Gudao, Mashu, and Fou become wrapped up in the events.

Despite not meeting each other for some reason Kiritsugu and Isrisviel have some lovers bond as well.
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>>152024977
>>152028587

>Taking form as the Holy Grail through having bonded with it, she differs from the nature displayed by the corrupted Fuyuki Holy Grail that contains All the World's Evils within it, instead being deeply colored by the aspect of “'Irisviel von Einzbern' as a wife and a mother.” Continually protecting a lone guardian, she is "forever far yet close at hand, never distant yet always out of reach."

Basically her and Kerry's bond of love is so strong that it exists in all multiverses, or something. Which is pretty cute.
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>>152028779
That's fucking stupid.
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>>152028808

Of all the rediculous bullshit ass-pulls and non-explanations that the Fate has accumulated with all its endless rehashes, its actually pretty minor.
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>>152028844
That's still fucking stupid.

That means Irsiviel is stalking and loving Kirits in all worlds, including some where he lived a normal life with a another woman he loved.
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>>152024977
>>152028141
>goddess
So who is she supposed to be now?
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>>152028910

Who knew she could be such a yandere, eh?
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>>152028587
>Despite not meeting each other
Shit what a dissapointed
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>>152028910
Except he didn't. Also Holy Grail isn't Zelretch, so not every multiverse.
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>tfw the almost of the whole Emiya family is now servants

Miyu servant card when?
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>>152029171
only if she comes with miyuverse shirou, cause hes pretty great all things considered.
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>>152024977
>Don't think too hard about it
- Nasu

He said it several times
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>>152024977
How Irisviel is a servant = She's not, we just kidnapped the real living Irisviel at the end of Fate/Zero event. She's able to fight as a servant since she's a personification of the completed holy grail. This is her in holy grail form.

That's literally how it works

We kidnap a lot of grails, at the end of HF event we'll likely kidnap Sakura as well. We've already stolen Ilya and Kuro as well.
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http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/servant_profile.php?servant=111
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>>152029311


By what cause this miracle happened? A terminal of the Holy Grail. An infant that returned to the Greater Grail turned into a Servant as its manifestation. She continues to protect a certain guardian cursed by fate that exists in a place far away.

Unlike the disposition that represents a polluted Holy Grail, the Holy Grail of Fuyuki that concealed 「all the evils in the world」, she is strongly endowed with the aspect of 「Irisviel von Einzbern」 as a wife and mother. If we were to apply it as a Divine Spirit, she is an existence furnished with an Earth Mother Deity-like disposition.
Background 3
Why has she manifested? What will she perform as a Holy Grail once getting in contact with someone with the qualifications? There is still no answer for both of these enigmas.
Background 4
Divine Goddess Core: C
A skill that expresses being a perfected goddess. Although her disposition is close to one, since she is not a manifestation of a proper Divine Spirit, its rank is confined to C.
Background 5
Resolve of Dedication: A
Feelings towards a loved one, which won't even flinch at self-sacrifice. Applies plus modifiers in regards to the effectiveness of defense & healing-type spells, skills and items.
Background 6
Song of Grail
O White Holy Grail, Sing Praises Rank: B
Type: Magic
Connecting the Holy Grail with love and motherhood, it temporarily grants a sincere and pure prayer. Not the function as a wish-device, but simply a Noble Phantasm that her own existence sublimated.
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>>152024996
salty because you can draw servant do you want? just reroll it
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>>152029266
>>He said it several times
No, that's just a meme that got out of hand, to wave away anything in the fanbase, including things that have actual explanations. Its just become another way to shitpost at this point to end all discussions.

Someone doesn't like what's being talked about, they just spam that in response.
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>>152029277
>archer is probably from a failed illya route
>Archer is probably harassed in his spare time by HF illya for being a dumbass onii-chan making terribad deals.
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>>152029491
>>archer is probably from a failed illya route
This was already deconfirmed

he's from a shittier version of Fate route, where he didn't save Saber. Of course he cares for Ilya since he spent a year or two watching after her after Fate route. Until she died a year or so after the war due to her body shutting down since this is her fate ever since she was modded. He most likely could only watch it happen slowly.

Shirou then went off to London with Rin, not as lovers though. Then he wandered off to the middle east, had many adventures, stopped a nuclear plant from exploding, and died after being blamed for something he didn't do by a former friend.
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>>152029491
>archer is probably from a failed illya route
He was confirmed to be from a Fate route where he failed to get Saber give up her wish. The only person he vividly remembers is Saber. That scene in the opening of the game before the Prologue? It wasn't Shirou. It was from Archer's POV.
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Also the Ilya that we stole was Prisma Ilya

>>152029568
He remembers them all, just not immediately. The summoning really did jumble his memories slightly. He remembers Rin after hearing her name its noted in his materials. He worries about Taiga in an aloof away in UBW.
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>>152029599
>He remembers them all, just not immediately.

He remembers all through a fog. Even after he recalls his memories. That's how Nasu wrote the scripts for UBW, and why Rin couldn't recognize Fuyuki because it was like some kind of mist like and blurry faces everywhere when they shared memories. He knows who they are, but they're kind of distant.

The only scene he recalls vividly with the details and not blurry shit is his meeting with Saber.
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I feel bad for Iri,she not deserved that shitty daugher
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>>152029491
This is EMIYA's most important memory. One guess which failed route he came from.
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>tfw there exists an infinite amount of universes.
>tfw there exist a universe in which Gudao/Gudako fails to restore human history and Mashu is permakill.

GUDAO and GUDAKO CG Servant when?
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>>152029888
There's only one event of that because it was literally outside time and space in Solomon's temple.
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Why do Iri and Saber go so well together?
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>>152028779
wat
Irisviel's form as the HG is literally a cup, not a hottie MILF.
Did a F/GO writer speedwatch F/Z and get Angra Mainyu using her form and memories as an avatar confused with the real thing?
Because otherwise the bit about not being corrupted makes no sense. Corrupted or not, she still becomes a cup. That is not Angra Mainyu's fault, it's how Old Man Acht designed her.
Irisviel loses prana as she obtains heroic spirit souls, then transmutates into the cup. She dies as an individual, and her soul becomes bound to the greater grail forever.
It isn't Dark Souls where absorbing larger, more powerful souls turns you into Chaoshander Giantdad and allow you to kill servants. It just weakens you then kills you. If you're Irisviel, anyway.
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>>152030338
>Did a writer speedrun FZ

The writer of the event was literally Urobutchi. Irisviel is the pure holy grail, not the infected one.
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>>152030368
Then having read the LN translation, I'm even more confused if Urobuchi wrote it. It's a direct contradiction to the mechanics explained underlying her progressive weakness and collapse.
That was never explained as being due to the corruption at all -- it's the Greater Grail that is corrupted, and Iri isn't the Greater Grail.
She turns into a cup because that's how she was designed, at least in the F/Z universe. If it's that she was designed to power up and "awaken" instead, wouldn't that be wasting the mana the Greater Grail needs to provide the winning mage so they can bore a hole to the Akashic Root?
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Reminder to keep your grails under lock and key or the GudaGuda crew will steal it.
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>>152030027
I really wanted Saber to saved her
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>>152026143
Must have learned from Michael Jackson, the greatest mage in history
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>>152029563
And he did all that
FOR
NO
MONETARY
COMPENSATION
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>>152030719
I am not sure because I haven't read the even translation, but could this have to do with her wearing the Dress of Heaven? She does not do this in F/Z.
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>>152028580
She does, in the halls of Chaldea.

In the Material Books, she has a line for her as well. (Along with Kogil and Alexander (Young); Emiya (archer) and Emiya (assassin)

>>152029240
And Angelica Servant. I was disappointed when we only got a CE.

>>152030368
Disregarding Dark Irisviel and her elemental counterparts much?
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>>152024977
Everyone is a servant. Shiki can kill everyone now.
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>>152031187
>She does,in the halls of Chaldea.
where i cand read it?
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>>152031147
He does it FOR FREE
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>>152031212
fgog's pastebin, under Irisviel's my room lines.
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Why does Mashu bully Serenity? Will we ever see the return of yandere trio?
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>>152024977
>Kerry came inside that
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and what the heck is this
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>>152031368
think he enjoyed it?
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>>152031710

If he didn't there's always Maiya.
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>>152031605
Grail Mud created Avenger Dark Irisviel.

It was to spite all the jeanne supports during those times.

There's also Fire Iri, Water Iri, Wind and earth Iri.
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>>152031605
A pervert looking at Gudao as if they were a shota.
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>>152029888
Singularity's exist outside of that, that was the point of setting them at the timelocks, to get all earth's in one shot.
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>>152024977
I want Irisviel and Iskandar to fuck.
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>>152032107
She kyaa's when she sees KoGil and Alexander (Young), but she asks for their names again.
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>>152031779

What about Gudako?
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>>152032107

I want Irisviel and Arturia to fuck.
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>>152028141
>to milk more cash off of her popularity
But she was free
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>>152028779
>>152028808
>AI YO
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>>152031147
>>152031262
>he's a Counter Guardian
>on the planet earth
>he does it for free
>he takes his "job" very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic inmortal life
>he deletes people he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack
>he deletes people he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl he still has to fail to protect
>he will never have a real job
>he will never move out of the Throne of Heroes
>he will never be at a healthy mental state
>he will never know how to feels to cook for someone again
>he will never have a girlfriend again
>he will never have any friends again
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>>152024977
Look if a shitty jobber like Shirou can become a servant I don't see why a proper mage can't.
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>>152028457
I'm guessing most anons don't know yet
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>>152033361
Nah, a few threads back had a lot of talking how Merlin domesticated him.

I think it's just cause most people didn't bother with/play Tsukihime so they don't know about how the original was.
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>>152031980
Solomon Temple isn't exactly a Regular Singularity. It's beyond that. It's outside time and space overseeing all timelines.
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>>152033487
>how the original was.
The original was Manaka's pet. What comes from Fate is returned to Fate.
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>>152028457
eh i honestly didn't surprised, i don't know why.
maybe because i already lost my faith with typemoon
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>>152028587
>Mashu
>tfw finally saw Mashu holding off Saber Alter
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgwAEJ_9gQ&t=9m24s
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>>152024977
>explain
If Taiga can be a servant, then everyone and their fucking grandma can be a servant.
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>>152033732
Taiga's got the skills and is also a "legend" in a way.
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>>152033732
>>152033853
She was possessed by a goddess.
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>>152033732
Does her eyes change colour because of the person possessing her?
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>>152029563
>This was already deconfirmed
>fate route
>no saber
>not an ilya route
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>>152033732
>EX rank Luck
EX rank something else, too.
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>>152033903
Yes. The same thing happened to Rin.
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>>152033971
>EX rank Luck
Nerfed to only B rank.
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>>152033732
>jagarman
who?
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>>152031328
she' the kouhai character
that type appears to be cute and cuddly but is actually a possessive and clingy bitch in heat that is one bad day away from going full yandere

serenity just wants head pats
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>>152034184
Jaguarman
It is from a native South American mythos.
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>>152028910
>That's still fucking stupid.
Wow! And Kirei being dead in all HGW words becasue of Angrya is okay? Nice double standarts
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>>152024977
She got my faps!
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>not always summoning Killy as Archer and basically auto-winning every time there's any kind of Grail War or magical conflict
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>>152026813
>garbage alternative universe stories
>Unironically make more money than all Fate/Shit combine
>Tsukihimeshit got thrown down to the trash so type moon can focus on this "garbage"
How ironic.
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>>152024977
Nasu asked Urobuchi to write a Zero event for Grand Order.
Urobuchi, running out of ideas like usual, couldn't find anything better than take Illya's Dress of Heaven, put it on Irisviel and call her a Servant.
At the same time, he took Kiritsugu, made him a nigger with white hair and red clothes and called him a Counter Guardian, because every Guardian must have black skin, white hair and red clothes like EMIYA, right?

God, that event was so awful.
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>>152036210
Is that the one where you have to catch a jaguar, skin it and then stick sharp things through your penis? Or have I just been reading too many Orson Scott Card novels?
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>>152026813
That sequel is called Hollow Ataraxia fucking secondary
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>>152033971
Didn't help Drake, nor Medb.
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>>152030719
> having read the LN translation,I'm even more confused if Urobuchi wrote it
Butcher wrote the prototype of that event but he had to rewrite all of it because Nasu didn't accepted the story which was was to '''''edgy''''' and ''''brutal''''' to be a part of this mobile shitfest. The scenario had to be plain, simple, with cutsie wootsie tone, bits of fanservice and waifufagotry, on the top of that it needed a happy ending even if all of this contradicted already established lore from F/Z and F/SN and character personalities. All of that so the event like the whole game could pander to the biggest possible number of hikikomoris and fat whales who self-insert as MC and live their dreamed lives as a fake person inside of pseudohistorical harem. As a gatcha game maker you don't want them to be sad or despondent, the product has to make them happy and excited so they could continuously spend more monies on your shitty distraction device. If fate have ever had any artistic merit then grand order is a thing that completely buried it. Nasu and whole type-moon sold any remnants of their dignity for shackles covered in losers' semen and lowered fate and themselves to the level of kancolle, and idolshit, as expected from a porn making company.
>>152036744
I blame Nasu
>The Fate/Zero event will be fun, of course! during the planning phase a year ago, there was a character that we were writing as a surprise for players, and when I asked Urobuchi to write a story with that character as protagonist, he gladly accepted it. But during the plotting stage, even though I said, “Write something with a happy ending for once,” first he asked me, “Can’t I have this character kill this other character and end it there?” and he gave me a plot that was even darker than Fate/Zero. I said, “What kind of festival do you think we’re making here?! Gen, you should believe more in dreams, aspirations, and the bonds between people!” and had him revise the whole thing.
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Was this guy a Kiritsugu ripoff?
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>>152033909
See >>152029798
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>>152036744
Wrong.

That shit came from Nasu, like the horrible romance between her and Kiritsugu. What Butcher wrote was about Waver maturing journey which was what he gave a shit about in Fate/Zero when Nasu forced him to focus on his shitty Emiya family.
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Reminder: 99% posters in this thread didn't even read F/GO. Maximum - translated parts and synopsis.
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>>152037442
>shackles
I meant shekels, fuck
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>>152036744
Kiritsugu Emiya (Assassin) is by Nasu, as is Irisviel (Dress of Heaven). It's in mats. He's always the hack about them and true love. He's the one who forced Butcher to remove Waver scenes from FZ because he was too "protagonist-like."

Butcher handled Waver's story which was the best thing to come out the events which were always shit tier. You've to be stupid to dislike FZ event because of Nasu's meddling nonsense, when it had a solid story of character development and fulfillment.
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>>152037642
Nah, not deep and mature enough.
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>>152030027

Knight and princess
Short and tall
Oneesan and milf
Green and red

They're two great tastes that taste great together.
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>>152037642
ํYou know Bebop came long before
Fate right?
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>>152037855
Don' try to discuss with Zero secondaries
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>>152024977
Everyone is a servant now.
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>>152026813
> direct sequel
> to a vn with 6 different endings
you got f/ha, which was basically ended with Nasu telling you to stop obsessing over f/sn, go outside and get on with your shitty life
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>>152037770
Now he's the hack that wants to write Merlin x Saber
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>>152026813
>these kinds of garbage alternative universe stories
this.
i do not give a shit about a single one of these. and i hate it when companies do this. same with muv luv.
i don't care if it has "muvluv" or "fate" in its title, i just want to know more about what happens to the characters in the original title.

alternate timelines especially is the WORST. fuck this shit.
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>>152038027
He'd have to go through both Lancer Arthurias though.

And a Nightingale

and a very pissed Mordred.

And MHX for some reason.
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-Shirou is a Servant
-Rin is a Servant
-Taiga is a Servant
-Illya is a Servant
-Kerry is a Servant
-Irisviel is a Servant
-Waver is a Servant

Who isn't a Servant at this point? I don't think Kirei is one yet right?
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>>152038253
I think it's been hinted that he'll be a Rasputin demi-servant.
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>>152038253
Is Sakura a Servant?
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>>152038327
Datamine says that she'll be one as Parvati.
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>>152038327
Vessel for Parvati
The guys from here >>152038253 are either pseudo-servants or alternate universe people who can get a servant vessels
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So is Ea inspired by any "real world" mythical weapon or is it purely Nasu-created stuff?
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>>152038253
Kerei obviously become a servant at some point.
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>>152038165
Nasu has said Saber was in love in Merlin for a very long time and vice versa they were just too autistic to confess
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>>152038253
Bazett, Kirai, Issei, irrelevant Rin friends 1 to 3, Caren, casta no masta, etc
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>>152024977
Can you play fgo without paying a single penny? I found out playing via PC is possible so kinda want to try it.
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>>152038546
yes, there's a support system where even if you have luck of the irish tier rolls all your life you can still have access to random people's high tier servants
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>>152038546
Yes. The game is easy enough you can progress with low rarity Servants and supports.
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>>152038546
Turn around, start running and never look back.
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>>152038390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki
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>>152027105
>>152028200
>>152037073
>>152038002
Has Hollow Ataraxia been fully translated with voices yet?
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>>152038390
I think it's like Excalibur: Nasu came up with it then it got popular in culture and got referenced in a lot of other media.
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>>152038546
Yes, someone finished the whole game withour rolling once except the tutorial roll.
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>>152038782
what
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>>152038802
why
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>>152038889
Why not?
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>>152038546
You get a strong servant for free when you begin (I got Erzebet Bathory as an annoying teenage idol), 10 free gacha rolls every day (they will always be shit but you can find more servants) and a support slot where you can get someone's overpowered p2w waifu to wipe the floor with your enemies.
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>>152038138

You pretty much know what happens to them after any given ending.

Shirou reaches Avalon through a MIRACLE of LOVE in Fate.

UBW anime covers the only ending with real uncertainty, UBW.

HF has them living happily ever after with Shirou inhabiting his new Aozaki Touko brand body.

Side stories allow them to expand on characters whose existences were ephemeral in the first place (Heroic Spirits) or are decidedly killed to death (Ilyasviel).

What you should want is something entirely new, something that isn't milking Fate and exists in the same continuity featuring brand new characters dealing with a new sort of crises within the expansive bounds of the Nasuverse.
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>>152038972
>You get a strong servant for free when you begin
>Get Sumanai or Stheno
>Powerful
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>>152038992
you mean something like mahou tsukai, not f/go
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>>152039076
Anything is good for a newbie, even Stheno
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>>152038889
Saving quartz for her favourite character
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>>152039076
> sumanai as free roll
That's when you delete game and reinstall
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>>152039085

Yes, precisely.
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>>152039076
Well, they're still SRs at least. Still, if you get them or D'Eon, you may as well restart.
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>>152039076
>E luck
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>>152038992
no, what i want is something like mahoyo or fate zero. where we focus on the past or future of characters in the main series. even if it's side characters.

what i don't want is a repeat of the [holy grail war] formula, with more hero inserts.
what i don't want are alternative timelines that are inconsequential to the original story.
if i just wanted more worldbuilding, i could go read some extra material books or something.

that being said, i'm being judgy here since i haven't played any of other games, not even fate/extra.
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>>152039270
>what i want is something like mahoyo or fate zero
kinda what he said
> not even fate/extra.
fate/extra is "a repeat of the [holy grail war] formula, with more hero inserts.", for your information, with main difference being that it's set as a tournament instead of as a battle royale
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>>152028779
>Which is pretty cliche and done to death.

FIFY
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>>152024977
Because it's a game where a character only is playable as servant.

That doesn't mean she is really a servant.
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>>152031328
Honestly i'd just settle for a master using an Assassin properly instead doing nothing but spying or fighting other servants head on.
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>>152039454
But she is, you can read her profile.
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>>152039565
that doesn't mean shit, having her to fit a servant on the game doesn't mean she is really a heroic spirit.
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>>152039619
It's meant that she is a servant, that's all.
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>>152039619
>Ignore the text that say's she's a servant.
>"She's not really a servant"
Kay.
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This is dumb as heck, new franchise when?
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>>152039730
>ignores that is a game where you collect characters to play
>and that they only is viable as servants so you can make anything into a servant for game purposes.
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>>152039818
>>152039818
They are only really there for fanservice. But that doesn't actually change the fact that they are still servants in the forms they show up in in GO.
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>>152039805
Never, enjoy your servants. Even other masters are don't needed anymore. Just servants and you, perfect combination to make a lot of money.
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>>152039952
but that doesn't account anything lorewise, you still can summon only historical figures as servants the exception being counter guardians.
It's just the nature of the game is that way, there are many things in the game like that, like they're ignoring the status list and thus a simple Roman soldier can kill a servant.
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>>152039270
>what i don't want are alternative timelines that are inconsequential to the original story.
Alright good, because FGO is more important than FSN. It's the 'core' of the franchise and the only route of FSN which has some weight is Fate.
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>>152033732
That final outfit is really good.
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So when is Nasu going to shill Artoria and Gil again? Because Solomon has left them in the dust as rulers and iconic importance to the whole world of Fate. Extella in general also sidelines them.
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>>152040204
Hopefully never. They are overused and I'm sick of them.
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>>152040204
They should shill their new king.
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>>152039270
>alternative timelines
FGO burned all history, this destroyed FSN timeline too. That's what you get with someone fucking with time locked foundation places (the divergence in timeline are up to a point: there are events that must always happen, if these are destroyed, then all human order is put in jeopardy). Waver, etc is from there. Merlin set Fou loose after Fate route happened, so Fate route is directly connected to FGO.

FGO is a story that explains where Heroic Spirits come from in the first place, and the origin of magecraft, miracles, and the end of the Age of Gods, Mystery and the beginning of the Age of Men. Garden of Avalon, a LN with Artoria's backstory, also foreshadows it.

There is no Holy Grail War formula in FGO besides Fuyuki. There is a Grail and Heroic spirits, but it's basically singularities of those important foundation places that emerge with Servants of ages as helpers or antagonists in helping the protagonist group to fix shit.
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>>152040103
wow anon, it's almost as if lore is just Nasu's bitch he whips every time he needs money
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>>152039270
>past or future of characters in the main series

FSN plotline is already finished, why would you want to have another story with the same characters? The thing about the Nasuverse is that you can have a lot more of wars fighted by other masters/servants
I think that you have a missconception of what Nasu wants with Fate
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>>152040144
> wasting dubs on low quality bait
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>>152040799
This. Nasu introduces new lore and then break them literally 2 minutes after since forever.

>this spear bend reality and is unavoidable!

Ahahahaha.
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I missed master-servant pair dynamics.

Servants are just half of the charm really.
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>>152033732
>then everyone and their fucking grandma can be a servant.
This has already been established. Anyone can make a contract with Alaya and become a Cg at least.
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>>152040965
The base description for Gae Bolg mentions it's avoidable with a luck check.
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>>152038484
Holy shit is canon?
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>>152040965
Now for all the problems I have with Zero, this is one thing Uro did right. No shounen tier plot twists where everyone always have the unique perfect counter to the enemy's unavoidable overpowered ability
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>>152041139
Yup Shirou has always been Saber's second crush.
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>>152040965
> it's a reality bending attack that reverses the rules of cause and effect and strikes the heart with certainty
> unless you have, like, B luck, then it's just a pointy stick
i almost miss Nasu's chuuni wankery
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>>152040799
shit old bait, try next time kid
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>>152040204
He will shill Nero instead probably

Also Extella sidelines everyone but the main characters not just them
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>>152041032
It's over, they don't need masters anymore. FGO was fine since it's really hard to make this big crossover of all Fate stuff. But new extella showed that only servants that suck your dicks are actually metters.
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>>152041052
>my super ultimate secret technique is a spear stab you can only dodge if you're lucky
>also it's not necessarily lethal
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>>152041139
Why else would she let Merlin parade her around britain dressed like a magical girl.
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>>152041281
Sakurai is in charge of shilling Nero.
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>>152040618
And now, we enter UN/Mage association butting into Chaldea's operations.

But Epic of remnant huh?

Rayshift into the future? Maybe.

>>152038484
too bad, Saber fell in love with a Shirou instead. That Lion Doll she has in Chaldeas is proof.

Still, I wonder when Saber becomes relevant again. Like an actual character in the story, not just mentioned or something. (Outside of her Archer Form)
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>>152039270
>i want is something like mahoyo
Too bad Japan doesn't want another one and Nasu is just ignoring the 2 sequels it was suppose to get
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>>152041367
um
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>>152041231
But it still hit the target, luck just prevents you from being fatally wounded in the heart. And it still have curse to make it difficult as hell to heal.
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>>152041288
You can't dodge normal Gae Bolg, it still pierces you. Luck just prevents your heart from being pierced.
If the heart was actually pierced by Gae Bolg, it would explode into thousands of thorns to basically destroy the body.
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>>152041468
No, I meant Idealism Saber, not Realist Arthuria.

Though I do wish she pops in too.
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>>152041554
same shit,it's still Artoria
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>>152041367
The Mage Association and the UN gave permission to Chaldea to perform their investigations in the first place. Now history has been restored and humans are back, there's the problem a whole year and five months have been missing. So the Mage Association is freaking out and is now investigating Chaldea.

Epic of Remnants is supposed to be a mystery/puzzle solving adventure before Part 2 begins. Something part 1.5. The theme has moved out the Age of Gods because Solomon KO for good which was something addressed already in Garden of Avalon.

>Still, I wonder when Saber becomes relevant again.
There's still Grand Saber. But while she was one of my favorites in FSN, I think her story ended. There's little else left to explore of her. Her Lancer versions are ok because they are new.
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>>152041491
> it's a curse that inverts the laws of cause and effect by writing the spear hitting the enemy's heart on his destiny and having the spear be thrust as an effect
> unless he has B luck, in which case it still fucks up destiny and casuality but just hits you in the wherever
that makes even less sense, you'd think that where the spear hits would be a breeze to pull off compared to reversing cause and effect
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>>152038484
Don't worry, Nasu now ships Seibah and Emiya so he can give her dickings to forget Merlin :^)
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>>152041651
The nip fanbase is busy shipping Merlin with Solomon.
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>>152041620
Lancer Arthuria as Mysterious Heroine Z perhaps?

Saber Wars II should be coming up.
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>>152041699
Yeah, they'll probably become a CE for White Days. Gil and Enkidu too.
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>>152041699
> shipping best boy with fucking Merlin
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>>152041699
>tfw other pairing that is starting to become popular is GudakoxKingHassan

Gudako pleases old assassins for quartz
Ohohoho
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>>152041747
Its a lot more acceptable than pairing her with Kiritsugu AND Emiya (Archer)

That was a doozey.
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>>152041744
Merlin, I mean, Mari gets pissed at Roman when he talks too much about (you).
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>>152041747
Gudako can be shipped with anyone.

But she has good taste in kings for choosing Hassan.
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>>152041812
Why do gingers in this series always have dark skinned white haired alter egos?
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>>152041620
>Grand Saber
It will probably be another Seibaface, but considering how much he's wanked maybe Galahad himself would qualify being the perfect knight and all.
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Isn't Solomon shipped with Da Vinci?
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>>152041744
Correct. He should be shipped with Olga's father.
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>>152041826
this needs the carnival phantasm treatment
Chaldea sol has a pretty high comedy potential due to the sheer outlandishness of its possible inhabitants
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>>152041975
All the memes too.

All that memes.
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>>152041916
She's voiced by Seiba's VA.

>>152041937
Yes, that's the pairing with -basis- and the fanbase's choice when he was just Doctor Roman. After Merlin's appearance and Roman's 'secret' as Solomon, now fujos and gayfags want him with Merlin, Guda, Mauricebilly, Goetia or Gil (mostly Roman appearance) while otomefags are into GudakoxSolomon. Poor Da Vinci got brushed aside.
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>>152041975
Cute.

We're getting close already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdv9S-VTjk
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>>152041975
FGO animation special should be a comedy. Serious adaptation doesn't look quite good.
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>>152042067
>Mauricebilly
Isn't it Maurice William?

>>152041826
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>>152042067
>Poor Da Vinci got brushed aside.
Happens every time you go against a shitty fujo pair. Fujos ruin everything.
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>>152042079
Nobody did Carnival Phantasm ED + Fate/Grand Order yet? (I mean fully, not up to end of camelot)
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>>152042143
>Fujos ruin everything.
What have they actually done that impacts you in any way whatsoever?
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>>152042067
But Roman x Da Vinci was already gay, why don't the fujos like it?

Does Nasu need to introduce an additional third bishonen Da Vinci form in addition to his old man and Mona Lisa appearances to appeal to them?
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>>152042143
I'm giving the fujos some leeway because mostly they picked Roman's design, and by having the sense to include Olga's father who was the only one, other than Da Vinci, Roman trusted. While shoujofags with Gudako go for Solomon's design mostly which seems more like they latched because of tall, white-haired pretty boy.

>>152042129
We don't know how is spelled. Nasu can be autistic with english names too.
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>>152041975
who's the silhouette at the top?
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>>152042287
>already gay
Da Vinci has a female body now, she's a girl
It's the same shit that happened with Tetra from Log Horizon
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>>152042287
Gay men just self-insert into Guda. And Merlin is more popular than Da Vinci, so naturally they put them together.
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>>152042362
salmon, the king of fish
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>>152042401
No, Salmon is a bit lower left with his dad.
Silhouette should be Goetia.
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>>152041627
It still pierces the area around the heart, luck just determines if it pierces the heart or not.
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>>152042362
Goetia in his King of Humans form.
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>>152041975
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>>152042462
Yes, but triggers my autist they didn't edit out the red beads of his braid.
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>>152041975
I wonder what Dantes is talking about with his literal creator.
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>>152041377
i'm done with type-moon.
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>>152041554
Which KoRT is this one again?
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>>152042067
Roman viewed (you) as his heir of sorts. It's retarded to ship him with Guda when he obviously had fatherly feelings. Olga's daddy was his Shirou so at least that would make more sense.
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>>152042696
Argavain.

The Woman Hater.
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>>152042696
Agravain, son of Morgan, brother of Gawain, Gareth and Garehis.

He's the one who ultimately chooses to reveal the adultery between Lancelot and Guinevere to the King.
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>>152042596
Don't worry, there definitely will be a Mahoutsukai no Yoru FGO collab with a limited 5* Aoko(Caster) and 4* Touko(Assassin) demi-pseudo-fucking-bullshit servants.
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>>152042696
Agravain.

Lion King x Agravain is pretty popular (Lion King is Camelot Singularity Arturia, not the boring summable Lancer).
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>>152042927
How can you even tell them apart?
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>>152028200
>or picking a single ending which is something they won't do.
Ywn see Shirou's adventures in the clockTower with Waver sensei and Luvia using her position as his employer to make Rin jelly.
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>>152042959
Tags?

But also, her fur cloak is white and her eyes are like lime green and glowy.
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>>152041910
Nasu loves Ireland, the Irish are red haired and are really niggers in disguise
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>>152042959
One's a divine spirit who lost her humanity, white cloak, light green glowy eyes. (More like yellow tinted eyes)

Search tags are usually Lion King, Goddess Rho, or among other things.

The other's a semi-divine spirit, but still kept her humanity. Green eyes, red coat.

>>152042997
wish we had this.
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>>152042596
Should've bought 100k copies but on the bright side if Tsukihime fails to reach Fate's number Nasu is going to can it like he did with Mahoyo
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>>152041910
If you wanna be technical, it's the brown skinned silver haired guy who has a redhead alter ego this time.
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>>152042732
Daily reminder that Agravain is gay and that's why he's in love with Lion King
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>>152042171
Only know of this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOCWuGZfW0
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>>152043123
Since when are the knights of the round into bestiality?

Poor Simba...
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>>152043104
>wish we had this.
It's better we don't or she'll be ruined by waifu pandering fanservice. Agravain saw Arthur as a god, so is fitting he gets the special attention of the goddess version.
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>>152043185
Most of the fanart is the Lion topping the shit out of him.
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>>152024977
Stupid fanservice garbage like most of Grand Order cancer.
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>>152030338
The feelings don't just fade away. The Greater Grail is made from the template from which Iri is made from, so making a Servant container, shape it along the template and stuff it with the mind & soul of Iri (that is, as you yourself said, bound to the Grail) is not really that far-fetched.

She's described as a terminal to the Grail, which is a similar wording to how Arc is a terminal to the World or Acht a terminal to Jubstacheit (aka the castle). Think of it less as Iri being an independent being and more like the Grail (or a part of the grail) made an avatar for itself.
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>>152039270
T H I S
H
I
S

Anon fucking nailed it. This shit is what's wrong with new Type-Moon. At least FSF is a loose sequel since it actually happes chronolically after one of the routes.
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>>152043104
Whats the difference in personality between the two?
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>>152043174
no updated version yet?

>>152043236
post more.
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>>152033903
Yes. Red eyes are a sign of divinity, btw.
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>>152038484
The fuck are you getting this from.
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Reminder Nasu is officially separating Tsukihime from the rest of the Nasuverse. Anyone who appears from Tsukihime is a dimension traveler
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>>152043410
Garden of Avalon and Prototype Arthur was in love with his Merlin(female) to the point he cheated on his wife with his sister who disguised herself as Merlin
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>>152024977
Servant = Heroic spirit concept is no longer applied in FGO.

Now it's servant = who/whatever the heck the writer want them to be
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>>152043320
Lion King, actually held camelot for a long time, and making it prosperous. Even to the point that she had all the Knights under her command, including those who would've betrayed her.

She's a bit colder, since she's a realist.

The summonable one is, sort of moe once you take her armor off.

"Master, please dont stare at my boobs."

also, her bond level 5

"Now, my holy lance is freed. I can show you its true power from now on. My chest has also been freed? ...Master, what are you saying?"
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>>152043449
epic troll.
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>>152043320
Lancer Arturia is your standard underdeveloped waifubait who will like (you) and has really no substantial part in the story.

Lion-King is the antagonist in Camelot and wants to pull a Dust of Osiris plot to make humans survive as records. She has a really touching backstory, as result of Bedivere fucked up, was consumed by the spear that destroyed her feelings and human empathy but tries to do what she thinks is right. Summons the knights to carry on. Lion King comes from her "culling the weak" approach of things. She gets her feelings returned in the end when Bedivere gives her back Excalibur and thanks Bedi as he dies (plus plays a hand to preserve his corroded soul). She chooses to give advice but doesn't join you, instead while the Singularity collapses, she awaits for Agravain in her throne room. Last scene is between them, as she comforts him while he dies in her arms from the injuries Lancelot gave her. Agravain, who was suspected as traitor and spy of his Mother by most of the knights, confesses his only wish was to make a kingdom worthy of her. In general, she has a characterization and a character arc that isn't she falls for (you).
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>>152039270
>what i don't want are alternative timelines that are inconsequential to the original story.
That could describe everything from KnK to FGO. They're all self-contained stories set in alternate timelines. Some characters are shared, yes, but that's obviously not the focus.
The only exceptions have been the FZ/FSN/FHA line and the Fate/Ex line.
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Still no:
Muromets lancer
Dobrinya saber\rider
Popovitch saber\archer
Svytogor berserker
Peresvet lancer
Kolovrat berserk\avenger
Olga of Kiev caster\avenger
Vladimir saber
Peter the Great rider
Dmitriy of the Don rider
Aleksander Nevsky saber\rider
Rasputin caste
STILL no Ivan the terrible
No Kutuzov (where the fuck is Napoleon btw)

No motherfucking Koschei as saber\caster\rider

And that is not counting minor bogatyrs and spiritual\nechist fuckers.

Where are slav servants at?
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>>152043471
>Lion King
Lancer Artoria.
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>still no Hercules archer
This is stupid
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>>152043516
>FGO
>self contained when it confirms it destroyed KnK, FSN/FZ, Illya world among others

???
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>>152039619
A Servant is not a HS. Most servants are made FROM HSs, but from the very beginning with FSN you had exceptions (Artoria & Kojirou).
Sometimes you can use other beings as templates. All you need is a soul. Gods, people, aggregation of curses, so long as they're bound to an identity and capable of manifesting a consciousness it's all good.
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>>152043538
>Rasputin
Confirmed to be possessing Kirei in the future
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>>152043574
>confirmed
Don't say bullshit please, we only know that Iri has a line with him saying that he should die
Nothing more
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>>152043417
And waifus who are dead in Fate go to Tsukihime world.
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>>152043608
That's not FGO Olga, actually.
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>>152043608
Sion exist in Fate/Extra she was the one who died in the womb while her twin sister got to live until she died
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>>152043471
>>152043513
Cool I guess. So Lancer Arturia and Lion King have the same origin but different ends?
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>>152043569
>self contained when it confirms it destroyed KnK, FSN/FZ, Illya world among others
Illya is still ongoing like nothing happened
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>>152043709
Pretty sure Nasu made the writer who also write the event to say after the ending of Prisma Illya when it happens, her world got burned by Solomon
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When are Arthur and Proto Gil going to show up in Grand Order?
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>>152043569
What part of "singularities exists outside time" you guys don't undestand?
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>>152041975
Buddha in GO when?
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>>152043683
No. Lancer Arturia is an Arturia who bonded with Rhon and grew up more realistic, didn't have regrets when she died and became a semi divine spirit.

Lion King's background is actually like Saber Arturia, she didn't age, chose Excalibur, etc. The difference is that Bedivere didn't return the sword the three times she asked. At the third time, when he went back, Arturia was no longer there. She was taken by the spear that didn't let her die, so she became a goddess who stayed alive for over a thousand of years, in the meantime, part of her memories and all her human heart was lost (she also aged). She changed into a full goddess and became the guardian of the end of the world tower. She appears in the Singularity because she decided to go there. There she summoned her knights.
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>>152043513
>Last scene is between them, as she comforts him while he dies in her arms from the injuries Lancelot gave her. Agravain, who was suspected as traitor and spy of his Mother by most of the knights, confesses his only wish was to make a kingdom worthy of her.

Agravain stomps into the room, leaving a river of blood behind him and missing (I think) an eye and an arm. He tells her that he dealt with Lancelot and will quickly work to restore the kingdom to full strength following the rebellion.

When you're reading it it's kind of clear that he's so out of it from drugs and bloodloss that the things he's ranting about doing make no sense; reconstituting the guard, organizing things in her honor, all while the actual plan for Camelot is a record of humanity that will, in their best case scenario, have vanished from the world before the week was out. He still lists them as if he seriously intends to do them as soon as possible with no regards for his blatantly lethal injuries.

What at that point is Arturia again calmly orders him to have a rest instead. She remarks fondly that he always worked too hard to his own detriment. he relaxes and collapses into her bosom.
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>>152043748
that seems like kind of a dick move
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>>152043759
Different verse.
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>>152043760
Technically Prisma Illya event wasn't in a singularity it took place in a magical girl afterlife
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>>152043858
Are you retarded?
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>>152043804
Oh I see, thanks.
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>>152043709
Illyaverse world was burned down. It's in the magical girl collab. And the scenes we see in the manga are previous to 2016, anyway.

Time was restored along with history thanks to Solomon.

>>152043760
You have no idea what a singularity is, it seems.

Nasu said KnK world was DESTROYED. This is the reason why Ryougi fights with (you) because she wants to save her loved ones. Waver knows his timeline (which is FSN AND FZ) was destroyed too. You're stupid if you think this is self contained when has all the fucking backstory of how the Ages of God-Mystery-Men came to be in ALL timelines.
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>>152043858
We got Proto Cu.
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>>152043866
>magical girl afterlife
is that kind of like dog heaven?
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>>152043564
Because writing a character with no flaws is impossible
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>>152043913
It was either an afterlife or graveyard don't really remember much.
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This has been a very informative thread. Thank you, /a/.
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>>152043564
>Still no form of Hercules that's sane and still divine.
He doesn't even need to be playable, I just want to see him Nasu.
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>>152043858
They are in the leak list idiot.
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>>152043904
>Time was restored along with history thanks to Solomon.
so they bruend down and then made everything better again?
because in that case yes it would be self contained
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>>152043968
If he doesn't get grand status then no one should
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>>152044011
We still need Don Quixote for Grand status.
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>>152043991
It's not self-contained - UBW is self contained for example, because it affects absolutely *nothing*. If you actually read the story you'll know. That's why Nasu says FGO is the core of Fate/ universe.
What Solomon did affect all the Fate universe because it was basically the fucking mystery that was hinted in GoA and Fate franchise: how the fuck did the Age of Men came to be and what role Solomon played? Why did magic and magecraft wane? Why is science catching up? We knew this was happening but we didn't know why.
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>>152043830
Well the anime wasn't owned by Nasu's favorite company Aniplex so tough shit.
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>>152044139
that does not answer my question
if the other timelines got restored as if nothing happened then yeah, it is self contained
the fact that it provides lore is beside the point
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>>152043748
>her world got burned by Solomon
>Solomon

Goetia nigga. Stop slandering Solomon.
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>>152044212
No he erased Barbatos when I needed him the most right now Solomon is evil.
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>>152043804
She basically went to Camelot Singularity, killed the asshole who was fucking up with the singularity, by herself.

So now, she exists outside of the throne of heroes, awaiting her next chance to protect the world?

With Excalibur on hand too.
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>>152038758
>with voices
Do you have a Vita?
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>>152032210
Gudako is too terrifying.
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>>152043804
She was also killing mudslims before (you) stopped her.
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>>152044139
So the one who saves all the universes in the Nasuverse is a genderbent Rin clone. LOL
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>>152044344
And an army of genderbent Shirous.
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>>152044344
No, it's a crazy gatcha obsessed lunatic who might be a far greater threat to humanity than whoever she's fighting.
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>>152044261
Isn't the one in the pic Lancer Arturia? Red cape = Lancer White Cape = Lion King
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>>152044188
They were all destroyed. Characters from those timelines will remember this and have issued the grand order of protection of the human history and age of men by Solomon. Other Beasts are going to appear, while we don't know if they'll be as dangerous and accomplished as Goetia, they all threaten the Human Order.

Plus their worlds -all- lost a year and five months since it began. They aren't going to carry on as usual. Their Masquerade has fallen. And parallel timelines are still affecting. Mushashi comes from a parallel worldline, for example, and this is gonna keep going on 1.5. Nasu expressed his wish for FGO to be the compendium of Fate to end all Fate. Other continuities bent to fit it.

Like I said, it's not like UBW which doesn't even matter outside of a character study. This is impacting to other places big. Melty Blood manaka was forced to make his manga an AU spinoff to FGO by Type Moon, Sakurai and Narita were postponing their Fate novels until part 1 finished. FGO has the hierarchy over other Fate works and over other Type Moon ones as you can see how they changed the poor MB mangaka plot to explain the Lev-Flauros thing.
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>>152044389
>>152044393
Anime already confirmed the canon protagonist. Gudako is in cryo.
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>>152044419
Yes, that's Lancer Arturia. You can notice too because she's draw by waifufags without class.
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>>152043569
And then it gets reset, your point? It doesn't affect the other storylines.
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>>152044419
Dont have a lot of Lion King pics.

But seriously, we need more Lion King events. Dont mind if we dont get her, i just hope she rampages somewhere.

Dual wielding Excalibur and Rho.

That'd be a sight.
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>>152044456
Riyo manga is canon, sorry.
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>>152044139
That just means it's answering questions posed in other works, but it's not changing or invalidating the events of other works.

What kooky-ass definition of "self-contained" are you using.
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>>152044456
>>152044490
It´s the Nasuverse. Every route is canon.
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>>152044471
Oh boy, you didn't read the ending of FGO. The worlds lost a year and five months of history. It's Nasu's end game plan so normies realize magic is real. It was an universal game changer.
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>>152044536
Are you stupid? It's going to affect other worlds. That's why the main writers of Fate titles right now were waiting on green light to see how it pans out to continue.
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>>152043538
Might as well add Pushkin as Caster
I don't think japs know any of these, Rasputin at best
Plushenko as Saber
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>>152044536
The people one day went to bed on july 2015 and suddenly they were on 2016 December. Do you think it's not going to be a big deal everywhere? Each writer is going to handle the fallout eventually. Except those who set their works previous to 2015.
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>>152044559
They haven't gone back and added footnotes to, say, Fate/Extra going "btw there was this weird year where literally nothing happened that was odd".

>>152044600
Literally not true. Nobody has stopped anything. Not Case Files, not Strange Fake, not Extella, and the others are already over and done with.
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>>152031766
But is there a Heart?
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>>152044715
Extra and its universe takes place on the Moon and in the year 2030.
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>>152044426
> most important nasuverse story since fate is told in tidbits separated by hours of grind and filler in a mobage
that is sad
also i wonder why he went out of his way to fuck with other spin offs, the mobage was already popular enough, it didn't need the publicity
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>>152044671
>Wake up a year and a half later.
I'd be fucking done with magic and it's bullshit at that point.
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>>152044671
If that actually were to happen, then sure, then it's no longer self-contained. But so far none of such as been stated or even hinted.

FGO has not affected any of the other stories. Your assumptions of what 'should' happen are not relevant here.
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>>152044715
Extra was retconned by Extella. Earth was unreachable/dead during part one of Extella for some reason. And in Extra world, normies know about magecraft. Ever wonder why?
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>>152044772
In Extra magecraft is dead, to begin with.
All that is left is soul hacking and that has no reason to be secret.
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>>152044727
Nope.
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>>152044761
He only fucked with Prisma Illya because the anime is owned by Kadokawa and not Aniplex. Almost every future Fate adaption is going to be produced by Aniplex.
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>>152044715
>case files
Takes place when Olga is 11, retard.

>strange fake
Narita stopped writing and waited for Nasu to finish to continue writing. The war takes place before 2015, in any case.

>extella
Did you actually read Extella because it completely changes Extra and CCC.
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>>152044816
Which is a form of magecraft. The storyline was reseted because Nasu wrote Extra and CCC before he decided to do FGO so now is going to be more cohesive.
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>Apocrypha is a garbagefest and it's probably going to kill hype for any future spin off
>SF never ever because of this
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>>152044919
God, please no.
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>>152044770
Are you ignoring Flauros in Case Files?

But you actually claim shit like FSN isn't 'self contained' when it obviously is? Shirou is only relevant as Arturia's love interest. His story is in general completely forgettable as far as the universe building goes.
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>>152044660
Pushkin caster would be pretty cool, which reminds me: Tolstoy

Considering they wouldn't add anything without waifubait:
Elena the beautiful caster (Koschei daughter depeniding on translation)
Vasilisa the wise caster
Sokolnik assassin (bastard of Murometc without canon gender)
Maria Morevna as rider(?)
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>>152044715
Melty Blood Manga introduced Chaldea in Extra world (the plot was about Sion getting summoned to Extra world before the incineration process, or should I say Extella world?). They all predicted that shit was coming. It was a tie-in for FGO. Case files introduces Chaldea in FSN/Zero. It takes place waaay in the past, Olga is 11 or 12.

It's not self-contained. The abnormality was detected and addressed as coming for them eventually. I'm not sure why you're memeing this is self-contained when Nasu says the opposite.
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>>152040169

>sexualizing the taiga

This feels so wrong. Its like finding nudes of your sister or something.
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>>152044919
At least it has some cool Servants, like Achilles the pussy chaser.
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>>152044973
didn't they retcon Olga's dad + Solomon into winning the f/sn grail war anyways?
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>>152044270
Yes.
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>>152044874
And yet there is not a single story that was affected in any way by the events of FGO. That is the definition of a self-contained story.
It doesn't matter what any story says happened, if its ramifications are not written in its sister works, then it's self-contained.

>>152044973
FSN isn't self-contained because it has FZ and FHA. FZ+FSN+FHA is self-contained.

And characters have been shared all the damn time. Doesn't mean shit.
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>>152045235
If it is wrong, it shouldn't feel to right.
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>>152045265
No. That took place in FGO timeline which only has one war in Fuyuki, on 2004 which Olga's daddy and Solomon BTFO everyone like a walk in the park (because Solomon is pretty cheatmode). This was all planned by God for a reason. In all the other timelines, top hat pillar dies before he enacts the domino effect of the incineration. Usually Lev suicides to stop the demon possession (Lev's a really good person, Olga had her heart set on a good man but alas!), however this doesn't happen in FGO. Once the incineration starts, it's no longer limited to one timeline, though because the one who enacts it is multi universal: Goetia is on the Grand Time Temple which exists outside all time, outside of Earth.

Extella and Fragments, along with FGO, introduces to a concept Nasu wanted to do since Prototype: time locks of those 'foundation history places'. There is a limit to divergences, those limits are events that must always take place, even if the circumstances can vary. The fall of Britain in King Arthur's reign was one, for example, it doesn't matter if Arthur was male or female or has a body of a 15 years old or an adult. But the absolute event cannot NOT happen. If one of these shits gets burned or changed, human history is burned, human order collapses and it collapses everywhere (at least everywhere with the human order - tsukihime works on anti-history logic).
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>>152045238
>Chad Sonic
Chiron and Siegfried were the only redeemable characters in that shitfest
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>>152045391
>And yet there is not a single story that was affected in any way by the events of FGO.
The ending has *just* been published, and if you follow MB manga and Case files, you know the end announced FGO is a fucking thing in Extra and FSN/FZ.

>it has FZ and FHA. FZ+FSN+FHA is self-contained.
Pretty self contained because it takes place on the same place, only the past or the future.
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>>152045635
wait, history as an actual entity? what the hell is Nasu smoking?
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>>152031368
hot.
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>>152043201
Agravain was in love with her.
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>>152037855
Congrats, you noticed the joke!
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>>152046009
No, it's difficult to translate Nasu babble, but I can try. Extella introduced the novelty that all the timelines where humanity doesn't evolve in a good pace or has a future that stretches out endlessly as potential are pruned. The universe laws bends on favor to humans because of something called human order or androphobic principle is stronk. These are the worlds where the Heroic Spirits materialization and summoning are possible. What makes this human order possible is human history. The accumulation of only 3000 years of human history, for example? Is more powerful than anything the planet Earth would ever produce (yes, GAIAfags BTFO). DA work on anti-history, denying history, that's why they don't exist on the world records; worlds with DAA no longer has Heroic Spirits and vice-versa.

Beasts love humans, hate them and love them, it's complicated. They seek to protect the humans from trampling this human order which would... not have good results, as you can guess. But Goetia's plan existed in all timelines. Because he's spread his tentacles on a foundation moment: King Solomon's death. And he went outside time on the Grand Temple. This shit gets namedropped everywhere, Lev dies before he sets the domino effect on all but one - FGO- And that one is all Goetia needs to begin his incineration ritual of history. When history collapses, so does human order and humanity.

But Goetia's plans went further than that. He was going to restart the whole planet before the Genesis. Recreate the universe order, the human one, based on him, without the concept of death. That's why at one point it's mentioned "even the concept of death is dying" for the shit he pulled.
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>>152037770
>Butcher handled Waver's story which was the best thing to come out the events which were always shit tier.

Young Waver gets the rousing spotlight at the end despite doing absolutely nothing and having no scenes or development throughout the whole event, and only getting in that position through an extremely idiotic set of coincidences, including Urobuchi forgetting his characters could do something that he had them do four times throughout the whole story.

Accel Zero is very, very far from being anywhere near well written or coherent, and the only way its central characters don't come out as irresponsible psychopaths is if you assume they are literally the most important thing in the universe and that the people they risk fucking over on whims is unimportant. The only way this opinion is anywhere near coherent is if you're a Zero fanboy who creams his pants at any appearance of Waver and Iskander regardless of how horribly it is handled.
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>>152041139
>>152043410

GoA has a scene where Artoria wonders about the nature of her feelings for Merlin to illustrate how she never lived for herself to the point where she could not even categorize her own emotions. The omniscient narrator is extremely clear on how she has no idea what romantic love is since she never experienced that and that this was definitely not it, but you bunch of tards believe anything anybody tells you and run with it, including but not limited to fanficion, so a shipper kept repeating this bullshit for months until someone just translated the passage to shut him the fuck up.

http://pastebin.com/3Am5dbig

tl:dr no, it's the opposite of true.
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>>152047025
I agree with you, but Merlin does love her, though.
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>>152047025
>>152047132
He doesn't. Even his profile in GO states that he's a person who has never had a single friend, he doesn't let people get close. Artoria included.

After the fact, the only thing Merlin really feels now about Artoria is guilt. His guilt for meddling in her life and fate is what led him to willingly enter Avalon and become trapped.
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>>152047190
>And yet I have fallen in love with only one beautiful form.

Pretty conclusive.
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>>152047213
>Same text says he doesn't even know what love is
?
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>>152024996
I'll let Nasu know that your opinion > his canon.
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>>152047190
Yes, he does. You're fucking autistic like Merlin to not get it? He doesn't understand human love but he fell for Arturia and it frustrated him. Merlin was overjoyed when she got a happy ending, even if he also experienced a complicated troublesome feeling when he assumed she had an extraordinary encounter (it's jealousy, you twat, that's why he flashbacked to her 'confession'). He felt guilt for the first time in his life because he loved her. That guilt made him a prisoner for ages.

He released Fou for him to see the same thing and experience the same as he did when Arturia got her happiness. Fou's feelings for Mashu and Merlin's for Arturia are supposed to be parallels.
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>>152047292
No?

>The Magician does not UNDERSTAND human love.

It's Arturia who doesn't know what love is (know by the way is synonymous of 'experience'. The translator was too literal). Merlin doesn't understand human love, Arturia has yet to experience it. But he loves her. That's why his heart was crushed by their farewell which is what is in his mind when he's trapped in the Garden.
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>>152046791
>The accumulation of only 3000 years of human history, for example? Is more powerful than anything the planet Earth would ever produce
what does that even mean
how is history "strong"?
also having humanity be backed up by the laws of the goddamn universe seems like a bad idea, writing wise, because one would think the universe would have the power to stop stuff from trying to fuck over humanity, yet Solomon had to sudoku to stop Goetia
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>>152047428
Goetia was outside the time and space using Solomon's body in a Grand Caster vessel. So technically he was powered by humanity. What was problematic is that he usurped Solomon's position and power.
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>>152047428
By the point Goetia pulled this shit, he erased the timelines. So what would be pruned? Him? He was in the Grand Space Time Temple.
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>>152047602
the temple is outside the universe?
>>152047512
so basically the universe can't save human history from humanity?
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Will Iri and Saber finally become the lesbian lovers like I hoped they would
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>>152047711
No.
But there's a pirate lesbian duo of titty monster and loli.
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>>152047428
>how is history "strong"?
The most powerful and perfect weapon of Gaia is powered up by human ideals and exaltation of glory. History is cumulative of lives, deeds, and actions of men, glorious or not. Gate of Babylon is the embodiment of men's ingenuity.

History is fucking powerful. Most nips TM fans are agreeing that Goetia's incineration process was the most exalted form of fifth magic mixed with other asspulls.
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>>152047711
Let´s keep dreaming anon. One day it will be true.

Still pissed that they had to shoehorn Kerry in at the end. During that story it would have been fin, but afterwards...
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>>152038484
Where the fuck is my GoA translation?
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>>152047428
He's a retard.

Goetia's incineration of human history proceeded backwards for a reason. I'm making up the exact dates here for simplicity, but the principle of how it works stands:

-Burn all human history from 2000 onward. Harvest energy. Take it into your temple outside of time.
-Travel back.
-Burn all human history from 1900 onward. Harvest energy. Take it into your temple outside of time. Because your temple's time axis is separate from the course of history, the fact that burning everything in 1900 would mean there's nothing to burn in 2000 is irrelevant, because the energy you already yanked out of the time axis won't get retconned out of existence even if your actions within the time axis do.
-Travel Back.
-Burn all human history from 1800 onward. Harvest energy. Take it into your temple outside of time.
-Keep going and doing this until the beginning of human history.

Goetia abused time fuckery to harvest not just all of humanity's lives, but rather all of humanity's lives who knows how many times over and over and over, thus getting far more energy than has ever existed on earth at at any one time. His energy harvest yielded "Humanity's Total Amount of Energy" multiplied by an unspecified but definitely enormous number.

Ignore the idiot, he just likes vomiting lore at people to sound knowledgeable. He does this in other threads too and keeps bringing up a bunch of shit secondary or tertiary to the questions asked because he gets off on showing "How much he knows"
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>>152047880
It's been on YouTube for a while
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>>152047428
>>152047945

Case in point: >>152047789

Goetia harvested the energy on earth. That's it, history is just history. It's just that "The Incineration of Human History" is the term used throughout the game to refer to the fact that everything along the timeline got fucked up. The "History" is not an actual thing you can get energy from of course, it's just use dto refer to the people throughout history.

Everything he just blabbed in that last post is retarded nonsense, which is why he's branching off into bringing up unrelated stuff like GoB. He just wants to sound clever by writing fanfiction.
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>>152047690
The temple is outside time and space, out of Earth (it seemed like a self-contained mini universe). We get only vague descriptions. But it doesn't take part of the natural flow of time.

>so basically the universe can't save human history from humanity?

We don't know that. By the time he destroyed time, there was nothing to prune to protect it, he dismantled the order. I just assumed he could do it because of Solomon's rings which were powered by God and his self-delusion he was Solomon now. Goetia is kind of tragic character: he gained Solomon's Clairvoyance and just saw suffering and death everywhere and wanted to stop it. He just couldn't understand how death works on humans because he's a hive entity who resisted his own existence many times.

While he was pissed with Solomon's 'apathy' and 'cruelty' for not doing anything when he could change everything. It does sound he was hurt he died and left him alone as the only system. He's scared when he does it a second time. All Beasts are lonely and broken with abandonment issues. Fou was an exception.
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>>152041651
>Nasu now ships Seibah and Emiya
Fuck you Nasu where was my seibaxemiya in UBW
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>>152047945
Goetia did mot move from the time temple aside of Babylon and greeting (you) in London. There was backwards, but it was all simultaneous to him.
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>>152047880
That's the drama CD; I'm talking about the LN, which goes into much more detail
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>>152047945
ok that actually makes sense
i mean, side from the whole "burn history", but taking that process and substituting the burning of an abstrac concept with, say, melting all humans into mana, the mechanic behind his plan does seem pretty simple to understand.
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>>152047711

They will in my dreams.
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Literally who in nasuverse has not fallen in love with Saber
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>>152047945
You are making it sound as if he took 'pauses' when you know he did not.
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>>152048263
Solomon. Hopefully.
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>>152048298
The idea of "pauses" is irrelevant nitpicking compared with correcting the fucktarded claim that "History" is a singular entity you can squeeze for energy.
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Will nasu ever show himself in public?
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Let me just say all of this shit sounds completely retarded and it boggles the mind that anyone can take any of this seriously, much less argue over the finer points of the """lore""" in this shitty gatcha mobage
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>>152047711
Eh, well, I believe Jeanne Alter and Santa Alter/Saber Alter will fuck soon.
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>>152048369
It'll confuse the secondary here because he isn't aware that Goetia is composed in addition to himself of hive of 72 pillar demons who acted in unison according to the plan, each settled cozily on one chosen period to carry out his 'grand order'.
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>>152048411
i don't think this is even the chuuniest Nasu's been, tho he did definitely increase in scale

also the mobage has pretty cool gameplay
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>>152048443
You're nitpicking over how this was perceived by Goetia, which is nowhere near relevant to the point being discussed or the idiotic idea that "history" is a "thing" that can be "fucking powerful" which is what he was actually asking about.
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>>152048510
But the concept of history and anti-history is a thing Nasu has ongoing to difference where Heroic Spirits and DA get their power, anon.
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>>152048443
>Goetia is composed in addition to himself of hive of 72 pillar demons
oh i actually knew that, i didn't know he placed them in different time periods to suck up mana but that just seems auxilliary to the main mechanic of the plan, which is the whole time paradox stacked mana sucking

but again, if the pillars (which i assume aren't also powered by solomon humanity) were placed in time periods, why didn't the universe just nip them when they started wiping out humanity?
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>>152024977
F/GO is essentially garbage, so don't think too hard about it.
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>>152048599
Now you're talking about the influence of the status of the anthropic principle at any single time, which is also nothing like the shit you were mentioning before.

Next time answer the actual questions being asked instead of shooting off into four superfluous paragraphs about concepts that have little to nothing to do with the mater at hand, and just lead up to those you're "educating" restating their questions while you confuse them further with yet more unrelated wank.
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>>152048263

The better question is who has Saber fallen in love with.
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>>152043320
Lancer Arthuria = Slightly older more mature Arthuria, but fundamentally the same as her Saber self.

Lion King = Had half of the knights of the round kill the other half upon summoning them all. Was willing to slaughter a good deal of humanity, and potentially the rest of it as well, in order to create a record of humans having existed. Since she didn't believe there was a future for humanity.

Her logic has become entirely cold, like a divine spirit. She has wandered throughout the world for thousands of years, and has already forgotten all of her humanity.
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>>152048746
A japanese high schooler with PTSD
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>>152048800
Better than Jeanne's pick for a mortal boyfriend.
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We ever gonna see Alt Scathach?
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>>152048964
> homunculus with the heart of sumanai
You're 100% correct
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>>152048676
>why didn't the universe just nip them when they started wiping out humanity?

Because the idea of the universe doing anything for humanity is more retarded nonsense he parroted without understanding.

The cliffnotes version of the Anthropic Principle (real-world brainfucky cosmology theory) is that the universe bends and modifies itself to the precise conditions that allow the existence of the creatures that observe it. The "Why?" is an even more convoluted matter.

Filtered through Nasu mechanics, it's the way the dominant species's beliefs and so on exert a collective influence in the environment. Hence stuff like protective mechanics like Heroic Spirit Summoning and the Counterforce. By becoming the dominant species, humanity's influence nudged the natural laws to accommodate us better. Similar concept to how magic systems and religions get stronger-weaker depending on how much people believe in them, as well as Heroic Spirits being strengthened by fame. Not really a new thing, just expanded to include the flow of time as well. In the universe strongly affected by the anthropic principle, the timelines where humanity persists are favored.

That doesn't mean the timelines where humanity is destroyed are prevented, they're just pruned. Humanity is extinguished in many timelines, it's just those timelines are discarded. There's limits to the anthropic principle's means and there are ways to circumvent the Counterforce. The "Universe" is not looking out for humanity nor doing anything, it's our influence that bends things our way, and if Humanity gets caught with its pants down, we are fucked. Goetia simply did things in a way that even the anthropic principle couldn't bail us out of.
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>>152049154
but who decided we're the dominant species?
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>>152049292
We did. So we are.
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>>152049026
>Anime starts and people start calling Sieg Suman-kun
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>>152049292
>>152049319
Wasn't it basically Solomon who got the ball rolling?
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>>152048975

I don't think my dick would survive that.
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>>152049292
Nasu.
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>>152040618
>FGO is a story that explains where Heroic Spirits come from in the first place
We knew that already. The human collective unconsciousness, founded by the planet Earth as a distinct race so that it would surpass the limitations of its terrestrial sphere and spread its Order/chitsujo to other celestial bodies, invests special significance in certain individuals and nudges "fate" (that is, the subconscious actions of human beings) to bring about certain chains of events that establish great events and progress in history. Those Heroic Spirits who are well known to have been the centerpieces of these events end up in a pseudo-deified state, as they are praised and admired and remembered by the masses of human beings, carving out the Throne of Heroes, a "place" in Akasha, the absolute principle and fundamental reality of the seting's multiverse, where their records are stored and can be drawn upon as Counter Guardians when truly necessary and Alaya's Counterforce (as manifested by the capacity to regulate the subconscious actions of human beings to bring about a result) proves otherwise incapable of deterring an extinction-scale event.
We didn't need F/GO's absolutely insipid Chaldean bullshit to explain any of this. It was all already there and made sense within the principles of the setting. It was esoteric and mystical and F/GO ruined it.

>the origin of magecraft, miracles, and the end of the Age of Gods, Mystery and the beginning of the Age of Men
Other than Solomon establishing modern Magecraft, we already knew all of that by CCC and most of what CCC added was retconning stuff that was already explained or could be inferred as early as PlusPeriod. Back in the day, Shinrei used to use Marble Phantasms, not Authority, for example. F/GO added nothing but idiocy and inconsistencies.

>Garden of Avalon
was absolutely trash and Rhon is a fucking stupid idea that reduces the backstage of Earth to Arturia powerwank, holy mother of fuck.

Nasu fucked it all up.
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>>152049505
>Counter Guardians
>Heroic Spirits
Senpai, you fucked up.
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>>152049154
so in all the vastness of the galaxy we're the bestest of races? weren't there aliens in angel notes?
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>>152049505
Keep the tears coming
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So will fucking Gudao/Gudako die at the end of Part 2 for all the dumb stunts they pull?
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>>152049661
> Guda(k)o dies
> "oh hey, one of the masters we put in cryo at the beginning of part 1 just woke up!"
> character creation
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>>152049505
Konbanwa, Nasu desu. Shin character here for FGO 2.0. Do you rike it?
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>>152024977
Just be happy we will be getting more Iri porn from fan artists
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>>152049661
Yes but they will get better.
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>>152049625
Angel Notes was pruned. Don't fuck with humanity!
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>>152049755
ORTAN will lobotomize herself to save (you) and become a squishy retarded spider pet.
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>>152049755
Waiting for porn doujins based on that scene.
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>>152049771
wouldn't the antrophic principle just switch over to the next strongest observer?
pruning the universe seems a bit excessive
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>>152049569
No nigger, there's a difference between an actual eirei and EMIYA's CG contract bullshit, but the original purpose of the Throne of Heroes is for the reconstitution of eirei in the case of an emergency. The Grail War's summoning ritual is based on hacking into this already established "natural" system in tandem with an incomplete actualization of the Heaven's Feel. That's why it makes sense that a contracted preventative measure like EMIYA could get the wires crossed with the Throne of Heroes and be summoned at all in the first place.
Arturia is, of course, a special case herself, but most of the eirei experienced being recorded in the Throne of Heroes just as EMIYA described his existence - like a book being taken off the shelf. You see similar book metaphors used for Kurogiri and Roa, beings who also experienced reality from the perception of being records at some point or another.
I forgot that I can't come into a fucking TM thread without going 100% autism. Fuck you, Nasu. You did this to me, you cunt.
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>>152049846
The strongest observer is Nasu who doesn't give a fuck about Notes. Those are just fancy words to mean the "don't bother me about it."
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>>152049850
Here cute Hassans for your effort.
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>>152049505
Sauce for pic?
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>>152049755
>They will get better.
People die when they are killed. Guda(k)o will most likely end up in the Throne if they die too since they are for all intent and purposes Magi Jesus who died while trying to save Humanity/did save Humanity.

If that doesn't get you into the Throne than Humanity is a mistake.
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>>152049846
Anthropic principle necessary means the observer is human. Because worlds with DAA have 'weak' anthropic principle. It's not like it switched to vamps.
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>>152050010
Solomon is the Messianic figure.
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>>152049292
>but who decided we're the dominant species?

See >>152049154
>The "Why?" is an even more convoluted matter.

>>152049625
The anthropic principle is some fucked up shit and has to do a lot with perception. It's possible for there to be multiple universes obeying the anthropic principles of various races, and this universe accommodates us because we are perceiving it. It gets really fucking confusing when you get into the possibility that every race perceives the universe as accommodating them in some way, like we all exist in alternate-yet-superposed universes.
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>>152050180
>It's possible for there to be multiple universes obeying the anthropic principles of various races,
But >>152050013 this was the explanation about the whole DAA bullcrap. And there was the other pretentious wall of text Nasu threw about how Solomon's Ars Nova had the consequence of the disappearance of the agent of god, so the world will be determined by the laws men weave. It seems Nasu was hastily making a convoluted explanation.
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>>152049932
I hope King isn't any time soon, i am completely out of quartz.
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Explain to me what was wrong with Goetia plan? He was going to make Humanity great again, everyone is immortal, magic has returned everywhere and is no longer circlejerked or kept hidden, WORLD PEACE, and other things.

I don't see anything wrong with it? Even if you died, to make such a thing happen you wouldn't notice it so who cares?
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Let me get it straight. Every human on earth is technically at some point in time in some Universe a counter Guardian at minimum correct?
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>>152050398
t. Pillar demon
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>>152049328
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>>152050509
Yes, Anon.

In some Universe (You) are a Counter Guardian. And if (You) get into a HGW (You) can summon "Yourself" from an AU who became a Counter Guardian to help (You) win your HGW.

Though the Guardian (You) might try and kill (You) so you don't walk the same path as them.
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>>152050398
according to what i heard a few threads ago, dying is what gives meaning to life

just roll with it
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>>152040618
>There is a Grail and Heroic spirits, but it's basically singularities of those important foundation places that emerge with Servants of ages as helpers or antagonists in helping the protagonist group to fix shit.

Where does those Servants come from? Who summons them?
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