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ITT: Underrated shonen masterpieces

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ITT: Underrated shonen masterpieces
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>Beelzeshit
>masterpiece
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Why did it end so early? bad sales?
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>>152007089
It sold pretty good but not by Jump standards. The anime ended and didn't increase the manga's sales at all, and it was obvious it was never going to become a huge hit so they just cancelled it.
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>>152007089
The mangaka decided to ditch the comedy and focus mostly on action. Everything went downhill afterward, horrible ranking, stagnant sales, boring plot.

Don't know if the Tamura simply ran out of ideas or if it was some editor intervention but the moment he stop relying on comedy Beelzebub went straight to shit which is a shame since it was a great comedy series, just a terrible action series.
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>>152006965

Should've posted this one instead.
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>>152007874
>>152006965

Both of these are equally forgettable, though.
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>>152007940
>not remembering PARCO MOTHERFUCKING FOLGORE
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>>152007089
Author literally said he had no ideas where to take it, so he finished up the main series asap and showed some stuff he couldnt before in a spinoff volume.
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Kongou Banchou was perfect.
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>>152007639
I thought it went back and forth right up until the end. Action arc, comedy arc, action arc, comedy arc.
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>>152006965
Psyren, Reborn, and Toriko
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>>152007940
>gashbell
>forgettable
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>>152007874
Came here to post this

>>152007940
>>152007992
>>152008108
It's hard to forget if you've read the whole thing and got invested, yeah, but unfortunately most people's experience with the series is via the shit localization of the already shit anime adaption from the mid 2000's.

Most people know it as "That one wierd pokemon rip off". It's a fucking shame, but it's true.
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>>152008244
So, the manga is much more superior than the anime?
Picked up.
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BASTARD!! Is pretty underrated

First half is literally Berserk but with a MC that isn't a cuck.
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>>152008594

I liked the old artstyle better, no idea why the author had to go and actually redraw the entire thing.
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>>152008575
>So, the manga is much more superior than the anime?

Yeah. Mainly because halfway into the third arc, the mangaka broke his hand and had to take a break and the anime kept going, except they did a shitty job and did stuff completely different and worse fromwhat the author intended, and then the anime just ended without covering the final arc of the manga.

But beyond that, it's also a bad adaption just due to the how much worse the anime's art is when compared to the manga spreads like pic related, as well as santizing a few things, even in japanese. It's got a fantastic OST though and the songs are amazing in the anime, so it's worth checking those out, at least

I dumped the whole series on /a/ a few months back, might be worth reading it that way since we picked up on some translation errors as I dumped it and those aren't documented anywhere else and there are no other scans for the first 18 volumes other then that one set, Alternatively, I can just send you the list of errors we found for you to have.
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>>152008760

Where can I read the redrawn scans?
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>>152009244

Dunno really, I dont think anyone bothered to translate them so guess you could check raw sites.
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>>152008940
>translation errors
In the official translation? I'm guessing you dumped RAW volumes.
And it's no problem. I can go looking in the archives. Thanks for the info anon
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>>152009477
>In the official translation?

Nah, in NULL's translation, AFAIK nobody has scanned the offifical VIZ volumes, and I imagine nobody ever will since they lost the liscense before they even finished releasing the series.

>I can go looking in the archives. Thanks for the info anon
Be aware that I fucked up the subject line/OP post a few times, and a few volumes required a second thread, so simply doing a search might lead to some missing threads.

Here's the final thread, which has links to all the previous threads in the OP post/in the pastebin linked in it, just so you make sure you don't miss any of it: https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/148349500/#148349500

Be aware that while we (thankfully) managed to avoid people being shitheads and posting spoilers, it did happen a few times, mainly in the volume 8 thread. There were also times I spoiled pages for the sake of having what was on the page be a suprise starting around volume 12 or so, but it should be easy enough to figure out when I did that vs it being somebody posting something else via context.
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>>152009724
Thanks a lot man
I heard a bunch of great things about the manga. Pretty hyped to start reading it.
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>>152006965
I will never forget Beelzebub just for this guy.
The most based character in the series
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>>152009962
No problem.

I will warn you it starts out only sort of barely above average and takes a while to get going: The actual plot happening and it stopping being villian of the week doesn't occur till volume 11.

Not that the first 11 volumes are bad, but, it's worth keeping in mind, especially if two of the things that you've heard about it that draw you to it is the gorgous art/page spreads and strategic fights, because those elements in particular don't start to get that good till then, and then it hitting it's peak in the third arc from like volume 20 onward.
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>>152006965
I really like Kekkaishi
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>>152010496
>Kekkaishi
Was it really underrated? I thought, that it was one of the most popular shonens in Japan, when it was published?
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>>152006965
I first read this when I was like 16 or something I caught up to it when it was just about to hit 100 chapters, it was the last time I could enthusiastically read a shonen that wasn't HxH good times

the Furuichi arc was cool as fuck too maybe I should re-read this

and /a/ seems to love it too maybe underrated everywhere but here
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>>152009724
how problematic are the errors?
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>>152006965
Masterpiece was Furuichi and later his arc.
Author fucked up by not making SoL of Furuichi and his Pillars Squad. The only good chapter on that extra volume was about him and the loli.
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>>152007031
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This is Wasted potencial: the manga.
I sometimes miss it.
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>>152012012
>That rushed ending
>That fucking cliffhanger
>All those unexplained characters and plot
>All those wasted doujins that never wrote themselves
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>>152006965
Guess I'll begin with the thread then.
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>>152012333
Fuck, this hurts.
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>>152012462
Don't worry he made another Underrated masterpiece
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>>152006965
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>>152008244
>unfortunately most people's experience with the series is via the shit localization of the already shit anime adaption from the mid 2000's.
Same shit happened to Shaman King
It badly needs an anime remake
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>>152011514
The vast majority of them are just awkward wording, and is something you can notice and figure out your own.

There are a few more significant ones, where actual plot stuff gets mistranslated or the meaning of sentances gets mistranslated, but these are usually picked up on by people very soon after the page get's posted.

If you don't mind spoilers I can be specific. Alternatively, I can upload my list of them for you to read yourself as you read along, but it's currently in my own shorthand, and IDK if the thread will still be up before I can go through it all and make it more readily understandable to people other then me. Let me know if you want me to pastebin it.

There is a different, more accurate translation for volume 18 onwards that avoids these, from A-Destiny, but the wording on them is awkard and less natural sounding all the time, and the scans are worse untill volume 30.

I plan on making my own release of the series that uses new higher res page rips from EBJ, that uses NULL's translation as a base but with the errors fixed (if i'm lucky I might also be able to buy the viz volumes that did get released to cross reference there as well), but I have no idea when oi'll actually get around to doing that.
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>>152013082
>>152013202
last thread we had here got 500 posts, maybe it's becoming more popular
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>>152013284
>>152011514
To be more specific: For the Null scans,there's like 2-3 panels per volume (each volume is around 200 pages) that have an iffy/akward sounding sentance that clearly was translated poorly, and there's one actual "Major" mistranslation where the actual meaning is being misunderstood by the translators and as a result you would have an incorrect understanding of what's being said and wouldn't know it like, once every 4-5 volumes, on average (though these are mostly stacked towards the end volumes, so in pratice it's like zero for the first 20 volumes (as far as we could tell) and then 5-6 across the last 13).

So, overall, enough that it's worth noting, but still pretty damn infrequent.

By contrast for the A-destiny scans, there's like 1 very awkwardly worded panel at least every page or so, but none of the "major" mistranslations are there and everything is translated accurately, just... worded poorly. But the scan quality is worse till the last 3 volumes and they didn't do 1-18 at all. It's also edgier sounding which I don't think fits the tone of Gash that well.
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>>152006965
Manga was so comfy and funny... damn I miss it so much
So many things left unexplained, so much potential wasted...

>>152007639
>The mangaka decided to ditch the comedy and focus mostly on action.
sadly this

>>152012012
>>152012333
Fuck, these still hurt

>>152011659
>>152010312
>comic relief-kun
>based
He was literally the Shinpachi of the story


also Eden no Ori
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>>152013284
I'd like that list, I'd prefer not to read via cbr
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>>152013492
I mean i'd prefer to* read via cbr
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>>152013470
Fuck off idiot. Fuiruichi was by far the best character in that shitty manga and nearly carried the whole thing on his back. He was the kumagawa of beelzebub
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>>152013450
There's always a Shaman King thread that blows up once every blue moon

It really needs a remake tho...I like the first anime for what it is but it hardly does the series justice
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>>152013611
>kumagawa was by fat the best character in MB
Yeah and Hisoka is the only thing that makes HxH worth it am I right ?

opinion discarded
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>>152013470
>Eden no Ori
For some reason the end really got me even though most people thought it stupid, but really it had no closure. It felt incomplete, and the plot armor was way too strong in the second half of it.
Still, the revelations weren't bad, not that surprising but a whole lot better than what most shonen do. The characters were very likeable, except the big titted childhood friend, who was annoying, cliché and unneeded. I really liked the atmosphere of mystery and also the conflict with the beasts gave some really good scares.
Though, what happened to murderer-kun and the kind of the dark or whatever was his stupid title ?
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>>152013470
>He was literally the Shinpachi of the story
Are you trying to imply Shinpachi is a bad character.
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>>152008575
>Animefag being a fucking casual

Color me surprised
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>>152013611
>He was the kumagawa of beelzebub
Let's not push it too far, he was a likeable loser but not that much of a good character, and after his fight he returned to his former state with no character development. He was indeed one of the best characters of Beelzebub, but only because most of them weren't very good.
>>152013717
>Kumagawa not being the best character in MB
The fuck ? Then, who was ? MB had plenty of likeable, good characters but come on Kumagawa was the best one by far.
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>>152013470
>Eden

Is it that manga about how some plane crashed and niggas found themselves on an island with dinosaur?
Because if it is, that manga is pure unfiltered shit
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>Solid characters with great development
>Great adapted battle system with original technique and application
>Great plot and foreshadowing

Havent seen a better RPG based manga
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>>152013082
>Sha"Author literally said that it was garbage and he doesnt understand why pepole liked it, also he intentionally fucked up the end"man King
>Master piece
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>>152013492
Sure, gimmie a minute to upload it to pastebin.

>>152013580
I don't think Null has a CBR release, but if you know of a good png to CBR converter, and are willing to drop some sort of throw away email address here, I'll convert all the volumes for you and upload them and send you a link?
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>>152014221
He never said that
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>>152014221
>he intentionally fucked up the end
The end was great though. They just couldn't beat an enemy who had a thousand years headstart on them and was much more powerful. He still got his shit slapped by his mom.
Flowers though... That's not canon, and it never will be.
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>>152014369
Ignore the troll
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>>152014236
my cbr'll load up any kind of image and it open folders, so i don't need it to be an cbr file
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The ending was pretty bad, but I really liked Arago.
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>>152014526
In that case, i'll write you up a guide on how to download the volumes from NULL's IRC bot, i'll post that with the pastebin.
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>>152014645
thanks
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>>152006965
Shoukoku no Altair
Anime soon though
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Here: http://pastebin.com/sLgzJxZr

It's important to note that you shouldn't read too much into into the order I say things inside a note. For instance, given I say "X instead of y", meaning, sometimes I mean "they used X instead of Y, when it should be Y", and other times I mean "It should be X instead of Y". So you need to read what translation was ACTUALLY used for that line and compare it to my note, as whatever translation it DIDN'T iuse is the one i;'m saying it might mean instead.

It also may be a little unclear which notes are:"I think this is an error, here's what I think it is meant to be" vs "I know this is an error, here is what it was for sure meant to be".

Here's the guide to get the volumes:

1. Install an IRC client if you don't already have one. I use hexchat
2. Once that's installed, go to http://www.n-u-l-l.net/2014/#contact.html in your internet browser, click the second link, and hit "Open with [your installed client]
3. Open up http://xdcc.n-u-l-l.net/ in your internet browser, and click the "knojiki no gash" link on the sidebar.
4. This should display a list of rar's. Click the first one, copy paste the text it asks you to into the text field in the IRC chat you opened in your IRC browser.
5. it should ask pick a location to save the rar to, do that, hit accept, and then when it finsihes, do step 4 again with volume 2, then 3, then 4, and so on
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>>152015364
meant for >>152014758

Also, the guide doesn't include getting the gaiden chapter, but i'm sure you'll be able to find that on your own
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>>152012012
I enjoyed psyren for what it was, it wasn't perfect but it was bretty gud to me still
sad that it'll never get adapted
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>>152015364
thanks m8
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>>152013717
Kumagawa was one of the main reasons Medaka Box was good though
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>>152006965
Furuichi was and will always be my husbando. No homo.
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>>152015785
>nothing but aprons

Clearly, hand-bras and jeans are far superior.
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>>152015364
I can't seem to get to the IRC channel
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>>152015929
Can you give me a screenshot of what happens?

If we both end up not being able to get it to work,. if you can tell me a file uploading site that doesn't require registration that has a file size limit of 2gb or more, I can upload them myself there and post a link; or you can just use Bato.to or mangasaurus.
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>>152016171
never mind actually I got it
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>>152016234
Alright, cool
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>>152016266
>>152016234
>>152015364
Also, worth noting I excluded the notes I made for myself about how I wanted to translate certain things that was more subjective, spefically regarding spell names and stuff like that

Purely because out of context those notes would mean nothing to you and you having them or not really has no bearing on your enjoyment or understandbility of the series. enjoyment
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I was told at the end of 2015, there'd be some new chapters in 2016 and we're here, 1 week into 2017 and I haven't heard a damn thing. Does anyone know?
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>>152016361
sorry, i'm a complete retard and i wan't in the irc at all

how do I exactly open the link with hexchat?
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>>152016510
Volume 13 has been released, two new chapters were translated but the guy who did them said he isn't doing any more because it's still licensed.
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>>152012012
I don't think you can call it underrated, though, it's consistently high on manga streaming sites.
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>>152016688

Viz still has the license? Damn, when they get stuff, they really get it, huh?
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>>152015785
>*the only reason

ftfy
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>>152016618
After hexchat is installed, when you click the link in your internet browser, oit should give you the option to open the link up with hexchat. Try opening and closing your browser after you install it.

If that doesn't work, then you'll have to join the channel manually, if you give me a few minutes i'll write a guide up for that too.

If the thread 404's before we finish, feel free to email me at [email protected] if you still need help
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Kimetsu no Yaiba is by far the best thing Jump has introduced in the last year, and /a/ just doesn't care.
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>>152016510

I thought the author is literally dead?
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>>152016776

Nope. There was a tweet with a page in SJ showing that it was coming back after a decade-long hiatus. It holds a special place in my heart because that Grunide fight was hype as hell.
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>>152016774
Art is literally shit, and not the it is so shit it is good kind either, pace is somewhat too fast for my liking as well. Other than that it is decent
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>>152016714
They've got the license unless they explicitly lose it, I don't get why people think this isn't the case. Some other companies do get licenses for a specific number of volumes or period of time, but Viz is owned by Shueisha so they're obviously not going to take it away.

The only time I can remember when Viz actually lost a license was Zatch Bell, and that was because the author told his publisher to fuck off and took the rights over to Kodansha.
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>>152012333

Such a good series. The MC was underpowered and had to outsmart his opponents every time. A complete opposite of the hax isekai wish fulfillment that's popular now.
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>>152016753
I'd like that since I have so many tabs open
>>152016776
nope, it's running in jump sq crown now a quarterly mag along with DGM
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>>152016839
>Art is literally shit
This is, without any exaggeration, the opinion of a moron.
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>>152015785
>doesn't even get an epilogue
At least it's ambiguously implied that possibly Kumagawa diddled Kikaijima
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>>152016776
The artist was sick, the author was just doing other stuff the whole time. I'm not sure what he actually had, I've heard people say it's anything from breaking his hand really, really badly to leukemia.
Either way it's back now, published four times a year (gets two chapters at once often) and comes back in April. The Baron arc just finished this past chapter.
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>>152016948
>That art
>Good

I am sorry that you have shit taste
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>>152015785
I disagree. I think when he was first introduced he was a pretty cool character, but the more he was in it the worse he got. The more annoying he got, too.
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>>152016999
>shounenbabby can't handle a slightly non-traditional artstyle

whoah what a surprise
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>>152006965

Same mistake Gintama did. Getting too serious. All long-running comedy action series tends to end up at a similar point. Forgetting the comedy that made it great and just going all action. One Punch Man is getting to that point too but it tends to pull itself back.
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>>152016990

I didn't even know that quarterly releases were a thing. Why doesn't Togashi move to a quarterly schedule?
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>>152016948
No, man. It's actually pretty ugly. It's not the worst I've seen but don't actually pretend it's good, when it's ugly at worst and forgettable at best.
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Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Nurarihyon no Mago? It even implies that best girl actually beat first girl.
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>>152017031
>was not supposed to be OP
>was OP aniway

shit character
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>>152017076
>Shit tier art is now non traditional art style

Just because you are unique doesnt mean that you are good. Oda art is good, Nobuyuki art is good, Osamu art is good, this art is shit
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>>152017183
Because it is fucking shit? Who the fuck though that it was a masterpiece? Do you like Reborn and Nurutu too? Fucking retard
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>>152017177
There's no pretending to it. The artist has found a genuinely interesting way to blend the modern shounen artstyle with the feel of a traditional woodcut.

>>152017226
I don't understand how you can defend Nobuyuki and not see the value in this.
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>>152017306
Please don't try to describe it like that, when it's just generic meh. Nothing triggers me more then the use of the word "blend" when describing something average.
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>>152017333
Not an argument
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>>152016839
That art is good you millennial faggot
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>>152017076
That is actually pretty traditional though
Looks like 90s Shonen
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>>152017356
Don't really need one. You expressed your opinion, no one agreed with you, and so far two people have disagreed with you. Meaning that at least in this thread you're delusional.
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>>152017454
Too much hatching
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>>152017076
>>152016948
That art is mediocre and forgettable as fuck

Hell even his fight scenes are fucking, what is the word? stationary? still? with speed line
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>>152017128
They have a quarterly magazine for Jump SQ oneshots, and there's three series in there (Beet, DGM, and Kekkai Sensen). Togashi is in WSJ which doesn't have any sort of quarterly magazine, plus they're not going to put him somewhere else because he sells magazines when he's actually drawing.
The only series I know of that's officially once every four months in a normal magazine is Sundome Milky Way, and that's because the author is doing Yokai Shojo, which is weekly, and he's pretty much just continuing a popular oneshot he did every three months when he has time.
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>>152017486
It looks like it's hand-drawn and not like digital garbage of nowadays is what I mean
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>>152014569
>that fucking werewolf fight
HOLY SHIT I'M GOING TO REREAD THIS AGAIN
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>>152017539
Sure, his fight scenes don't have a ton of movement to them, I'll grant you that. I think it's a built-in drawback to the style though, and has a lot to do with the line weights he's using. It's a highly distinctive style, I don't know why you think it's forgettable.
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>>152017586
Looks like anything else to me. Not sure what you're getting at.

>>152017661
In what way is it "highly distinctive"
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The good one always get haxed early
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>>152017743
god damn I remember actually using mangafox to read this
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>>152017661
>It's a highly distinctive style
It looks like something you find on devianart

Or are you refering to the fact that most character have autism face with little to no emotion?
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>>152017723
>Not sure what you're getting at.
Of course you don't
You probably don't notice all those horrible traced photographs in a lot of so claimed "well drawn manga" nowadays

This looks like 90s(or 80s) manga when they did it all by hand before they started using computers

It's not unique or anything but it has that same kind of warmth to it old hand-drawn manga do
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>>152017723
Look at the edges of the black puddle here. Most of the time, mangaka are going to use tones to finish that out, but here it gets hatched by hand. While you will see tones used in the manga, especially for night sky, a huge amount of the shading is done by hand, which inevitably gives it its own style and feel. I can understand people being instinctively put off by it, but it definitely sets itself apart.
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>>152017944
Forgot my pic
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>>152016910
>>152016753
>>152016618
I'm having issues connecting manually, are you sure clicking the link in browser and it opening in hexchat that way isn't working for you?
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god-tier battles
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>>152018221
>From deliquents fighting eachother to a Gundam robot shooting laser

Literally a cluster fuck
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>>152018069
got it open using firefox, is there a bot to click on or should I start pasting?
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>>152017631
All of the fights were great. The werewolf was just the first notable one.
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>>152018342
You just copy paste the text the site gave you for each volume into the text field, hit enter, and that message being sent into the chat will trigger the bot to send you the file.
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>>152016510
halp please
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>>152018670

It's Beet the Vandal Buster.
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>>152018689
>Beet the Vandal Buster
sanq
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>>152018633
didn't work
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>>152017991
This is literally 90s manga

The drawings done by hand are nice but the art-style itself is very generic
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>>152018843
Feel free to back it up with some actual comparisons.
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>>152017944
I like the art, he has an interesting style that's rare in modern manga, but it's definitely still really rough around the edges and needs work. Jump seems to be pushing it despite it not really selling to well, so I hope it lasts long enough for his art to flourish.
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>>152018907
I'll agree with that. It's his first serialization, so he's definitely got plenty of potential left to improve on.
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but beelzebub will last for forty years like kochikame, won't it
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>>152018816
You can't do file transfers in a browser, it has to be an actual IRC program.
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>>152019239
that's what i'm doing? I'm using hex chat
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>>152006965
I don't know if Cross Game is underrated but it doesn't show up on /a/ that often (same goes for the rest of Adachi's stuff). They don't seem to interest a lot of people here, but they're pretty highly regarded elsewhere.
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>>152019319
Oh, misread >got it open using firefox
Go to preferences > file transfers and see if changing some stuff around there works.
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>>152019321
Those first 10 chapters dude
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>>152012350
Houshin Engi is fucking beautiful.
Is still one of my favorite shounens.
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>>152018816
Screenshot?
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>>152019321

I guess we're talking about battle shonen.
CrossGame was fantastic tho, couldnt decide on which girl to bet for the Koub-owl
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>>152019590
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>>152019842
>>152019590
I'm just gonna upload them as a rar to filedrop for ya
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>>152006965
it was shit, the baby was a piece of shit, I only watched this crap for bancho.
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>>152020032
thanks, sorry i'm so inept when it comes to technology anon, thank you for putting up with me
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>>152020032
>>152019842
>>152019590
>>152018816
looks like it may take an hour or 2 to upload, again, if the thread 404's, just email me at [email protected]
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>>152008594

Name a better MC than Dark Schneider

Protip: you can't
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>>152020275
alright
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>>152020359
Schwarzßneider
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>>152020195
>tfw when we'll never know if best girl won
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>>152020403
>>152020275
>>152020253
Volume 1-16: https://dropfile.to/W9kVRvz, access key: ChAHNeT
Volume 17-33 https://dropfile.to/qnSGjME access key: HDQuz4S
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>>152022161
>>152020403
>>152020275
Oh, forgot: I didn';t have the gaiden chapter saved you'llhave to get that on your own
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>>152022161
>>152022175
thanks alot anon
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>>152020930
By best, you mean Amnesiac Hilda, right?
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>>152022240
No problem, I hope you enjoy it
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>>152019465
One of the best starts to a manga that I've ever read.

>>152019681
Adachi's stuff may not be battle, but they're some of the greatest shounen manga in my opinion. Touch, Cross Game, Katsu, and Nine are all some of my favorites. Plus they hold up remarkable well over time.
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>>152022161
thanks senpai
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>>152020359
Onizuka
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