>unironically thinking L was smarter than Light
>unironically considering anyone in Death Note smart
Asspulls and plot twists the manga.
>>151964198
>Asspulls
Name FIVE (5)
>>151964198
wew lad
>unironically thinking Light did anything wrong
>>151964139
Light asspulled and bruteforced his victory though.
>well I have this death god who likes Misa
>I'll make him kill L by taking Misa hostage
WOOOOOOW
>>151964139
IF L WAS SO MUCH SMARTER THAN LIGHT THEN WHY DID HE DIED?
>>151964989
3 vs 1
Also the police kept trying to guilt trip him all the time for doing the right stuff
>>151964901
>victory
???
>>151964139
I don't think L was smarter, I know. It was confirmed by the author. Now fuck off.
>>151965151
This
>That bullshit near pulled off.
S2 was a misteak.
>>151965285
Not worse than whatever Light did, really.
L didn't have a magic notebook that could kill people.
why did L wash Light's feet?
>>151965531
Bible reference about Jesus washing Judens feet or whatever his name is.
>>151965285
Season 2? What do you mean? The series ended after L died.
>tfw I really liked the second half of DN but everyone shits on me.
>>151964198
>>unironically considering ANYTHING in Death Note smart
Reminder that the series MC, supposedly a genius, is exposed to the fact that the supernatural is real, immortal souls are fact and there's a heaven and a hell that he'll not be able to go to just by using the death note. And yet he ignores this completely and asks no further questions about the deep secrets of life and reality that was revealed to him and goes into an autistic quest to kill random criminals for the rest of his life.
What killed this series to me is that Light's motivations didn't make sense and this is a gaping plothole. They should have just made it so his motivation was to fuck with investigators out of boredom and nihilistic pleasure, and grew to enjoy sparring with his archrival, like a Joker archetype.
>>151966749
>They should have just made it so his motivation was to fuck with investigators out of boredom and nihilistic pleasure, and grew to enjoy sparring with his archrival, like a Joker archetype.
That's literally what he is if you think about it.
>>151966749
>there's a heaven and a hell that he'll not be able to go to just by using the death note.
way to out yourself as an animeshitter.
Well yeah no shit in the end L got one over based on a hunch but the real asspull will always be Near.
>>151966957
>>151966970
If I learned anything from Bakuman, it's that we should blame the editors for this.
>>151966957
>>151967093
He should've kept questionning that shit. Seriously, your roomy is literally from the other world and you just barely care about it?
>>151967112
They already know that and have already explained that most of their own actions in the making of the story were because it's what they wanted to have happen instead of thinking about what other people would want.
>>151966898
That's what he is in fact, but he's too pretentious about his motivation. He seems to want to make some sort of utopia on earth by ending criminality, which seems like a pointless ordeal given the information he has.
>>151966957
>>151967093
Yeah, I only watched the anime. This puts a bit more sense in Light's actions, but it's not enough. Honestly, anyone with the slight intellectual sensibility would have just kept asking questions about the supernatural and the afterlife. What's even the point of using the deathnote?
>>151964139
He most definitely was, Light just had an incredibly overpowered tool at his disposal and protagonist powers.
>>151967287
>Yeah, I only watched the anime
You should read the manga ending (right after Light gets found out). It fits Light's character much more.
Yagami lighto
>>151967287
Anime made Light's decision quite stupid. Manga Light realizes there is no afterlife at all. The point is a "why not?", since there are literally no penalties for using the Death Note.
I guess the conclusion was too amoral for anime viewers and they made it look like Light had to pay some kind of price for using it, whenever in the manga he only had to pay anything (his life) in case he loses.
>>151967473
but anon.
he becomes a shinigami in the anime!
>>151964139
The only reason Light won was because L refused to believe shinigamis and Death Notes were anything but a smoke screen until he couldn't deny the evidence.
>>151967589
Which is like "congrats on using the prohibited book, now you are virtually immortal!".
>>151967473
>The point is a "why not?"
Because it's pointless? Even if he did realize there is no heaven or hell, the fact that he realises he does have an immortal soul and there is this whole other world of Gods who tend to human ortality should have sparked his curiosity much more than a book that ends people in this efemeral stage of his existence.
It would have made more sense if his motivation was to just fucking with humanity for fun from the get go, like a bored nihilistic psycho. Not the retarded, pseudo-moralist crap of killing criminals to make the world safer
>>151965151
This
Light fags are delusional
>>151967589
no he's fucking dead
Weren't there little character graphs with their stats like intelligence and what not
>>151967767
but he did make the world safer. he even got his own religion at the end.
read the fucking manga
>>151967767
>It would have made more sense if his motivation was to just fucking with humanity for fun from the get go, like a bored nihilistic psycho. Not the retarded, pseudo-moralist crap of killing criminals to make the world safer
Light is a textbook sociopath. It's just one of the arbitrary shit i'd expect one of them to do to drive their actions. Like a weird habit that kinda makes sense if you don't think it through you know?
>>151967830
>but he did make the world safer
Not really, the timeskip narration implies world went to shit even with the criminality decrease. People started being dumbfucks and having a Damocles sword above you all the time can't do much good to the mind. Remember that people started denouncing others on Internet, think 4chan except people trying to get others killed.
>>151967814
then who was mr skeltal?
>>151967823
yes. Light was smarter than L. but don't tell /a/.
>>151964139
DAS RASIS
>>151967287
>just kept asking questions about the supernatural and the afterlife
But light doesn't care and doesn't believe in afterlife and the very being confirms it to him.
Don't even know how you're questioning lights motivation when he was pondering over it before he saw a death note
>>151967964
The mangaka literally says L was smarter because the plot required it.
>>151967964
>then who was mr skeltal?
Who?
>yes. Light was smarter than L. but don't tell /a/.
If those are canon, yes. But something being canon doesn't mean it makes sense. Light did tons of dumb shit which worked because of the plot. Reminder that he managed to get the list of suspects to go from 7 billions to like 10 millions in 2 minutes, and then from 10 millions to 10 in a week by doing his stupid ass plans and going HAHA KEIKAKU DOORI good job fucktard now pray for the Naomi Deus Ex Machina to save your ass (twice)
Light is a fucktard
>>151967830
>read the fucking manga
Even in the anime it says he did, as criminality went down and he had sympathizers. My point is, an actual intelligent person would have focused much more on understanding the supernatural laws that governed existence.
>>151967891
>>151968017
>Light is a textbook sociopath.
>But light doesn't care and doesn't believe in afterlife
That is exactly why. A high IQ sociopath who has no empathy for humanity should have been more preocupied with his own mortality and the information he could get from the supernatural being in front of him. Why start doing shit if you don't fully understand the supernatural laws that clearly exist? He didn't even attempt to understand them
L and peers considered Light his successor
>>151967767
He never does it for the justice. He discovers it does not matter whatever you do you'll end the same shitty afterworld. Also, he gets a book which after experimentation shows that its only capacity is killing people whose name he knows and make them do some trivial tasks before dying.
So, now you can try to use the Death Note on its limited capacity to do some indiscriminate killing until you are caught, which is retarded. Or you can put an act and use that power to kill people universally hated, gaining the respect of most people and guaranteeing yourself a position of power so you can enjoy your limited life to the fullest. Because honestly, leaving going on a silly rampage aside, there is another good use for the Death Note that lets you win power without ending with everybody going against you?
>>151968154
>He didn't even attempt to understand them
This absolutely doesn't make sense, yes.
What I'm saying is that his "purge criminals" motive makes sense from his standpoint.
>>151968006
>>151968103
>Who?
>>151968181
See >>151968154
A smart, cold hearted man would have had the insight to take the lawyer approach and attempted to milk from the Shinigami everything he could about the laws of the universe before getting involved with the supernatural. Why rist his immortal soul? It makes no sense unless he's actually an idiot
>>151968219
>What I'm saying is that his "purge criminals" motive makes sense from his standpoint.
fair enough
>>151968103
>Reminder that he managed to get the list of suspects to go from 7 billions to like 10 millions in 2 minutes, and then from 10 millions to 10 in a week by doing his stupid ass plans and going HAHA KEIKAKU DOORI
This only proves how capable and intelligent ligth was by being able to still outwit L in this situation, he was trying to get closer to him after the first fuck up.
>pray for the Naomi Deus Ex Machina
Kek 2017 and people still think her telling her real name doesn't make sense even when the agents back at the force confirmed that light helped them out a lot and is son of thr chief and then brings up L who only a few know.
>>151968262
FUCKING DELETE THIS
>>151968330
This is a .jpg not a .gif you goddamn savage.
>>151968284
Light is smart but he was still a teenager going through a "emo" phase thinking the world is shitty. What do you expect from someone like that who gets a all powerful god tool suddenly? He literally got hyped as fuck once he used it
>>151964139
If L had the Death note, he wouldn't have gotten caught or even used it because he was smart enough not to.
L is genuinely stupid
He was so fascinated by the shinigami and the death note he forgot he had actual proof Misa was involved with a death note with the tapes and let her go
He's dumb as fuck
>>151968383
I don't buy this. The series portrayed him as being a mature supergenius, and he used the deathnote for YEARS. How long until you start wondering about consequences of using divine magic and not even attempting to understand how it works or what laws govern the supernatural phenomena you're witnessing? He was aware of having an immortal soul and that Gods existed and meddled with human mortality, yet he asked no further questions. Light is retarded, or, better yet, poorly written
>>151968325
>This only proves how capable and intelligent ligth was by being able to still outwit L in this situation, he was trying to get closer to him after the first fuck up.
And other people got to know he was the N°1 suspect and fucked him over in the end. Good job.
>Kek 2017 and people still think her telling her real name doesn't make sense even when the agents back at the force confirmed that light helped them out a lot and is son of thr chief and then brings up L who only a few know.
I'm thinking about the fact Light found her randomly, and wasn't spotted by that police guy because it started snowing just at the right moment.
There are other plot shields though.
>>151968513
>He was so fascinated by the shinigami and the death note he forgot he had actual proof Misa was involved with a death note with the tapes and let her go
This. He didn't even send anyone to follow her or put any camera in her room just in case. Or even kept her in the appartments they had just like they've been doing for weeks.
EVEN THOUGH KIRA CONFIRMED HE WAS STILL AROUND.
I can't stress that enough.
Who /Platinum End/ here?
>>151968540
>mature
>gets immediately triggered when challenged on TV and offs a wrong guy
No.
They potray him as smart guy with a ego who still makes childish mistakes.
Don't know why you're acting like he never questions shit about the death note and shinigamis all the time wondering the risks and uses and how they operate, it's how he was able to do the memory loss plan and know what will happen to misa's shinigami if she killed L. You're thinking way in to deep to this when Light was just power hungry and became more warped using the D/N
>>151968262
>motivation and willingness to act are two separate items
The fuck?
>>151968330
A truly powerful scene
>>151968709
I skimmed through a bit of the beginning and it caught my interest. Now I just have to take the time to actually read it.
>>151967362
>You should read the manga ending (right after Light gets found out). It fits Light's character much more.
What's different?
There is no way anyone could possibly get caught using a Death Note. Light's a fucking idiot.
>>151969033
Same as before, Light tries to kill Near because he's just that mad and Matsuda shoots him. Except Mikami doesn't kill himself. Light is on the ground bleeding, asks Mikami to help him, to which Mikami responds he's handcuffed and can't do anything, before screaming at Light that he's not God and he put him into this miserable situation. Light keeps crawling on the ground, asking Misa and Takada to kill everyone to which Near answers Misa is in captivity and Takada is dead (by Kira's hand, obviously). Everyone sees how pathetic Light is until he sees Ryuk in the corner of the room and asks him to kill everyone. Ryuk goes "okay, I'll write" and everyone try to shoot him to not avail. Ryuk writes Light's name just like in the anime, Light begs him like a mad man to save him. Light has the flashback where he finds out there's no heaven/hell and goes "I don't wanna die" like a little bitch for the 40s of his life before dying. His last word "shit".
Then there's an epilogue that tells you the world is like before and puts some stuff into perspective.
>>151964139
Well yeah, he didn't have a magic book and a god at his back
>>151969097
He made some early mistakes because he misjudged how smart L was. He had the same line of thinking as you, that it was impossible to be caught.
Accessing the police files was very stupid, because it narrows down the search to a few families. Then going on to kill the FBI agent following him was reckless.
Oh well. He wanted to kill L, and letting himself fall under suspicious was the only way to do that.
>>151968658
>And other people got to know he was the N°1 suspect and fucked him over in the end.
Plain bad writing as Light is known to never put blind faith in to someone doing his job for him, especially when Misa forgot L's name it didn't even matter.
>I'm thinking about the fact Light found her randomly
They both had reasons to go to the police station though.
It wouldn't have mattered if they saw him, light could have claimed she was asking to contact her if he meets with the chief later or something , they wouldn't be able to lock him up over that just because he was the last person to see her and no body found or nothing to prove her status.
>>151968905
>They potray him as smart guy with a ego who still makes childish mistakes.
That's the thing. If they portray him as a smart guy who is 50 steps ahead of a normal person, wouldn't he have the insight to at least EVENTUALLY start wondering about the magical/divine phenomena he is being subjected to?
It would have made more sense if he never interacted with the Shinigami, so I would buy that, even being a supposed genius on sever aspects of life, he was also young and an insensitive, low self-awareness psycho, so arrogant and childish that he didn't bother to ponder about the consequences of his actions or to really question why the magic book was given to him and just kept using it like a cunt. But because he did interact with a supernatural being that dumped a lot of extraordinary exposition on him about how the universe actually work, so I just can't believe he would still act the way he did. It's just a major logical inconsistency that always irks me about this series
The life action version was better
L wins though he ends his life to do so, just later than when Light wanted it to.
>>151968699
Truly the downfall of his death, he was too invested in Kira and his magical shit he was forgetting the facts
>>151969254
I still think Light could have won in that situation.
>subtly walk closer to Mikami
>accuse Near of setting him up, accuse Mikami of being an actor hired by Near to frame Light, etc
>whisper to Mikami to block them
>run out the door
>run to a safe place
>use the watch note to kill everyone
Bam, I'm smarter than Light.
>>151969315
>Plain bad writing as Light is known to never put blind faith in to someone doing his job for him, especially when Misa forgot L's name it didn't even matter.
Light's master plan in part 1 was to ask people to kill people for him. Misa and Rem, especially. So no.
And it doesn't even matter. The thing is that Light managed to make his anonymity go from 7 billions to 1 (ONE). That was a terrible move no matter how you look at it.
>They both had reasons to go to the police station though.
At exactly the same time when everyone is busy? So Light could overhear a conversation just at the right moment?
Relying on that kind of coincidences means your plan is shit.
>>151969420
More like plot needed him to do that.
>>151969425
They had guns and were like 10. Mikami can't hold them all and if Light stopped to write a name he'd get caught by his pursuers, if he didn't get shot before. Remember that they were so on edge that Matsuda shot him before he could write 10 characters.
the end was shit
it was extremely out of character for light to not only put his trust in a stranger, but to not have a backup plan and act like an idiot at the last second
>>151968383
>he was still a teenager going through a "emo" phase thinking the world is shitty
The world is shitty. That's why a lot of people were happy about Kira.
>Light
>smart
If he didn't challenge the police at all there was zero way for him to be caught. He's an absolute idiot.
>>151969548
That's literally what he did in the end of part 1 though.
Rem could've easily sold him out to L in exchange for Misa. And Light's plan relied on L letting them go without surveillance. Proven culprits.
>>151968006
>both Light and L are about 180 and weight 50 something kg
>I'm around 175 and weight around 70kg, people consider me to be skinny
Someone explain this to me. I've seen this before in other series, too. Do nips have lighter bones?
>>151969527
Sure, but he was able to walk to the back of the warehouse and everyone was just listening to him talk. Do the same thing but in the direction of the door. Use Mikami as a shield, if he needs to.
Mikami only needs to hold them off for like 5 seconds so Light can find a hiding place.
>>151964139
Light is more intelligent but L is more autistic and better applies his intelligence. He's the smartest character.
>>151969342
>why the magic book was given to him
This was thoroughly explained he wasn't chosen for that specific death note when he actually fucking asked this in the very first episode/chapter
You seriously haven't seen or read the series in years because he actually questioned ryuk constantly the risks and uses of the death note and if there are others like ryuk and how to deal with them. Even when he found out about the eyes and asked what the consequences were he didn't take it knowing it wasn't worth it.
>>151969605
>Rem talks 1 to 1 with L
>tell him Misa is manipulated by Light to kill people for him and that she's willing to help catch Light and free Misa
>L agrees, saying he wont harm Misa
>Rem manipulates Light with her Death Note to tell Misa to give up her notebook for him pretexting it's "the plan" and die in an accident, doesn't have to sacrifice herself for that
>Light is dead in an accident
>Misa doesn't remember Death Note shit
>Problem solved
>>151969725
Actually, wait, Rem doesn't even need to talk to L. Just manipulate Light to tell Misa to stop. Kill Light. Problem solved.
>>151969725
I think since his intention is to save Misa, he will die regardless.
>>151969662
>Do the same thing but in the direction of the door
Highly suspicious.
Light could probably have pulled off Near's murder, but after that he'd have been caught.
>>151969763
>his
>he
>>151968513
>he had actual proof Misa was involved with a death note with the tapes and let her go
So what? She's a useless puppet and wasting time with her when you could be be dealing with the shit Kira actually used to kill people is not a waste of time. He kept misa on watch with that guy on the force for a while with nothing hinting shit and evem whem she was "free" she kept coming back in anyways. He just got a damn death note and a real shinigami at the base so it would be stupid for him to waste time on misa
>>151969763
Technically if L agrees to have Misa free of charges she wouldn't "save" her but she'd still kill for her happiness. She could do that before L caught her, as she said she'd kill L because it'd make Misa happy.
>>151969842
He kept Misa under observation before and he wasn't sure she was relevant. Now that she was proven to be a culprit ...
ESPECIALLY since she had the eyes and saw his face. You'd have to be really dumb to forget about that.
It's been awhile since I've watched this series, so I'm not sure if any rules contradict this -- but how crazy can you manipulate peoples actions with the Death Note? Couldn't you write him off to achieve some crazy shit for your plan like becoming the president and then set his time to die at relatively normal age of 80?
>>151969605
>That's literally what he did in the end of part 1 though.
No
He forced Misa to kill L
That's different than waiting on a guy to do something for you.
>>151969757
That's not how it works
Light is the only one who can guarantee Misa's safety by keeping her shit as a secret as it benefits him
Killing light would be retarded.
Also Misa has factually killed people on her own free will and even his own fucking men when trying to find Light. L would not approve of her being let go, that's not how he works.
>>151964139
>actually smarter than everybody in anime and manga
>can no longer enjoy any of them
>>151969917
>He kept Misa under observation before and he wasn't sure she was relevant
No he kept her underwatch as soon as there was evidence piled on her being involved for weeks and stuck matsuda on her for weeks as ger agent and nothing.... while L actually has a death note and shinigami with him to investigate.
There is nothing proving she was factually kira and merely possibly a pawn
>>151970020
Pretty sure you can't make them do things that are impossible for them to do.
>>151970060
>someone recommends me anime
>solve all of mc's problems by end of first ep
>tfw can't enjoy anime
>>151970033
>He forced Misa to kill L
>That's different than waiting on a guy to do something for you.
He didn't manipulate anyone with the DN. He relied on "maybe they'll do it if the conditions are those" which is as unreliable as an accomplice. Actually the accomplice was carefully chosen and thought he was God, so if anything he was more trustworthy than "maybe Rem will do that"
>Light is the only one who can guarantee Misa's safety by keeping her shit as a secret as it benefits him
No, Light can kill her anyday he wants. He was about to, too. He can make her do the deal AGAIN if he wants.
Killing Light and having Misa in the clear in the only way to ensure she wont die or get jailed. Light could've killed everyone and fled too.
>Also Misa has factually killed people on her own free will and even his own fucking men when trying to find Light. L would not approve of her being let go, that's not how he works.
Rem can threaten him with the Death Note. He doesn't have a choice. Rem had many opportunities to backstab Light, if only for the fact he was actively trying to kill her.
>>151970137
>There is nothing proving she was factually kira and merely possibly a pawn
Actually there is a bunch of evidences she was the second Kira. That's why they went so far with the torture. There's literally NO reason to not put a single camera in her apartment or to tell her to GTFO after months of living in their own building.
>>151965151
Light and Near have higher intelligent stat than L, but in a battle of wits, L was the clear winner. Light was playing on cheat mode and was still constantly jobbing against L.
L played Raito like a fiddle when they first meet and even humiliated him on live television.
In terms of pure intellect, L is way beyond.
>>151967362
Always hated the manga ending. They sharted so hard on him. Anime ending was 100 times more impactful. That sequence where he tries to run away from his inevitable death and sees his past self pass him hit me so fucking hard. ;_;
>>151970889
he deserved to get shat on
>>151970792
Nah, Light just underestimated him and thus lost the 'first engagement.' He wasn't even trying.
Once Light actually tried he won.
>>151964139
>L: Greatest detective in the world who's IQ is higher than Saitama's power level.
>Light: Straight A high school student.
Yeah it makes sense that these two are intellectual equals.
>>151964139
Jesus, people still watch death note?
Although I'll admit the second OP was hilariously addicting;
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN
>>151970931
He was just an edgy kid who wanted to make the world a better place and had power go to his head. You know, the whole "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." thing.
>>151968017
>But light doesn't care and doesn't believe in afterlife and the very being confirms it to him.
He does not confirm this until the end, he told light that because he wanted to get a rise out of Light and Light was basically like cool story bro don't care give me the power to murder people.
The predetermined time of death shit made no god damn sense though, it is so poorly written and handled it leaves a huge gaping plot hole.
>>151969640
Mangaka have no idea how height and weight work. The worst example is Zaraki Kenpachi. 202cm tall, 90kg and he's supposed to be this big hunk of manmeat and muscle. However, his BMI is 22. For context, below 20 means you're close to underweight.
Considering muscle is heavier than fat, purely going by weight Kenpachi should be slightly overweight (because BMI doesn't take into account high musculature, which normies are very likely to lack. It's a pretty sloppy metric mostly for casual use).
It's the same deal as mangaka getting paid to draw tits but having no idea how they look or move. These aren't the pioneers of the genre who knew how the human body worked, observed and wrote characters based on their own experiences and the people around them. These are disconnected otaku who write based on what they see (manga and anime), base boobs on the women they see (manga and anime) and have a general idea of how the human body works based on what they see (manga and anime).
We've gotten to the point where art no longer reflects life, but art reflectes the art that once reflected life.
>>151967767
Light is this-worldly. He cares about changing this world. He wants to stand at the top of this world. And is exit from this world is an excruciating experience.
The whole series is tailored to that perspective actually. The supernatural are just plot devices.
>>151964139
>unironically creating a death note thread
>>151971604
>Mangaka have no idea how height and weight work
This is true for a lot things Mangaka write about actually. A bunch of Death Note threads tend to have people poking holes through the characters and their decisions throughout the series.
The idea being is that you can't expect the author -- who is writing about two hyper intelligent guys -- know what the fuck he's doing. Most of it consists of him tricking you into believing so, barring up an illusion. Doesn't work as a longterm thing as you can see now.
>>151971604
It's just weight/height numbers here. Your second example is anatomical drawing mistakes that don't make sense for anybody, but here it's just numerical values that most people will never even know
>>151972080
Also Light was always a justicefag. The Death Note took him down a dark path but, though arrogant, he reasoned he was doing the right thing. He knew he may be wrong by higher standards and so was ready to accept divine retribution. Ryuk's revelations put him at ease and free him to do what he wishes. But because of this, the character steadily degrades and by the end we have a Light who's positively sinister and a coward in the face of death, a complete reversal to the wide-eyed youth who still radiated innocence despite his crimes and was ready to face cosmic punishment because of his convictions.
I guarantee you that if Light had triumphed, he would have looked for a way to live eternally. He had already killed as god after all.
>>151973486
*killed a
>>151966749
Light makes perfect sense when you realize he's basically a typical battle shounen villain but in the protagonist seat.
>>151964198
>>151964901
this
>>151965581
this times a billion
literally dropped the series after he died, he was the ONLY reason to watch that show and even then everyone in that show was fucking retarded
>>151972153
>aye yo Light, lemme ask you sumthing. you ever tell the truth, nigga?
Death Note ended after L died and Light won.
Everything afterwards is shitty badly written non-canon crap forced on the author to keep the money rolling in.
Light won and made a perfect world. End of the story.
>>151964139
Well, considering he immediately got his location vaguely pinpointed after 5 seconds even though he had a tool who can kill anyone, anywhere, at anytime, then yes. L was smarter than Light.
>>151976277
>forced on the author to keep the money rolling in
Apparently it was really this.
Wish that it didn't happen. It was nice that the villain won for a change, everything afterwards was just to hamfist the idea of "good always prevails" when we didn't need it to. As if they couldn't leave it that way.
>>151976456
>Light
>Villain
>>151970236
He foreced rem in to killing l by giving her no choice, the accomplice was just a pawn he worked with.
Light can't kill misa to not bring any othe suspicion back to him, he wanted to kill her before she became related with him and is far.more usefull with the red eyes.if light goes there is nothing preventing her from getting found out and likely getting a death penalty.
>Rem can threaten him with the Death Note.
As if L is afraid of threats and yeah she could have killed him before but as soon as she got involved with light it became too late since no one else could protect misa but light
>Actually there is a bunch of evidences she was the second Kira.
No there's only evidence she was in the same place kira was supposed to be at and could have been forced to do those tapes for them and the torture wss kept secret retard, reason why a lot of them bitched that they would get in trouble of words spreads
>>151976277
Part 1 was just as badly written as part 2 and having Light win after all the dumb shit he does would've been stupid as fuck
Also
>made a perfect world
There are plenty of ways a Death Note could help progress toward a better world. Mass-killing criminals isn't one of them.
>>151976277
>>151976456
Live action version where L decidesto gamble by writing his own name in the note to die one month lateris also pretty good as an ending.
>>151964139
Lelouch is smartest than the rest of edgelords.
>>151977025
>He foreced rem in to killing l by giving her no choice
Actually yes she had choices. Backstabbing Light was one of them. Letting Misa die was another.
Mikami following the instructions is more likely than Rem sacrifying for Misa instead of doing something else.
>Light can't kill misa to not bring any othe suspicion back to him
He absolutely can. He killed L, and he could've killed everyone in the squad force along with Misa. There are plenties of way Rem could've thought "letting Light live is condemning Misa to death".
>As if L is afraid of threats
L would have cooperated with Rem, especially if he was threatened. He didn't have a problem with putting cameras in Light's chamber or doing other shady stuff. He used illegal means to get Yotsuba's Kira. Also, cooperating and ending Kira would have been the right choice too, so there's really no reason he'd have declined.
>No there's only evidence she was in the same place kira was supposed to be at and could have been forced to do those tapes for them
Death Note rules show that you can't manipulate someone for that long. She was a proven accomplice, whether it was conscious or not, and that's why anybody would have kept her under surveillance to avoid any other incident, whether it'd be deliberate or not.
Plot wanted Light to make something with this situation, so L let her go. It's as simple as that.
>>151977341
>Backstabbing Light was one of them. Letting Misa die was another.
Not an option as it go against what she is doing for misa and she would never justvlet her die as it would be completely out of character.
Trusting mikami to do something while not forcing him to do it is not reliable.
>and he could've killed everyone in the squad force along with Misa.
Having Misa alive is a good cover for Light so people know he just a normal guy with a women and she has the eyes which would benefit him in the future as he has no intentions of getting them himself, anyone could have saw why she is useful to him unless they're retarded
Just imagine if light didn't save Misa from being a suspect anymore by rewriting the death note rules to make it so she can't be suspcted as the actual kira anymore she would have been fucked and this proved he was capable of protecting her. Without light she is gonna see a death penalty.
>L would have cooperated with Rem
L is not a scumbag, Misa thanks to rem literally killed his own men and almost killed members of the task force. The shady shit he does doesn't make him a guy who willingly spits on co workers graves. Rem would know its too risky to merely trust L who has no reason to not abandon the plan by setting both misa and Light at the cost of his life.
>Death Note rules show that you can't manipulate someone for that long.
You're so fucking retarded thinking manipulation means magical brainwashing. Kira could have forced her in all ways to cooperate and she was only locked in like that because it was only possible she was the kira who could kill by seeing so they had no choice to take maesures, light later only proved she was a mere pawn. Misa was uselss under all their surveillance they put her in for months while L just suddenly got a real death note and shinigami to deal with
>>151978045
>Not an option as it go against what she is doing for misa and she would never justvlet her die as it would be completely out of character.
Same goes for Mikami. He's meticulous and a huge Kirafag.
Except it's even better for Mikami, Light knows him a lot more than Rem. Light has tested and proven that Mikami was a reliable ally, multiple times in part 2. Rem is a wild card.
>Having Misa alive is a good cover for Light so people know he just a normal guy with a women
He can get a gf anyday
>and she has the eyes which would benefit him in the future
Despite the eyes, Light planned to kill Misa before and Rem knew it, that's why she threatened him. She knows Light is a danger for Misa. He made her do the deal twice.
>Just imagine if light didn't save Misa from being a suspect anymore
Irrelevant. If Light wasn't there in the first place Misa wouldn't be a suspect at all.
>L is not a scumbag
He's pragmatic enough to make shortcuts whenever needed (ie cameras). Rem threatening him would leave him with 2 choices : the death of his agents, himself and his old friend Watari WHILE letting Kira and Misa go, or arresting Kira and making Misa a non-culprit by giving her amnesia, thus solving the case.
Anyone would take the second choice.
>Misa was uselss under all their surveillance they put her in for months while L just suddenly got a real death note and shinigami to deal with
This is absolute bullshit. Misa was involved and could do it again. Anyone with half a brain would keep that in mind and have someone keep an eye on her. A single camera would take literally NONE of his resources and give him a huge advantage.
Same plot shield as the fact he has no camera in his chopper, allowing Light to kill that other guy.
Also nice English Pedro.
>>151978387
>Same goes for Mikami. He's meticulous and a huge Kirafag.
Who could be prone to fucking up shit just like he did.
It's not about allies and shit its about knowibmng exactly what will happen knowing there's no other option for the person to really do anything else.
>He can get a gf anyday
Not one with red eyes who's totally devoted to him, thinking misa isn't useful is retarded
>Light planned to kill Misa before and Rem knew it, that's why she threatened him.
Because Misa was a problem for him then when he was just trying to not let L get a 1 up on him, if his enemies are dead Misa is clearly useful to him
>If Light wasn't there in the first place Misa wouldn't be a suspect at all.
She is the one who came to him out of her own free will, she is the one who fucked herself over.
>He's pragmatic enough to make shortcuts whenever needed
Not shorcuts involving working with serial killers who he's trying to chase. It makes more sense for L to betray rem after than is to work with her as she said. Misa killed his men and almost the task force members. Keep trying to make up shit about L
>and could do it again
Which proven after several months Kira ditched her, anyone with a brain would realise at that point its better to investigate the actual shit Kira uses to kill people and the being he is in contact with.
>has no camera in his chopper
Alot of choppers have no camera inside the actual heli and are outside it. Light didn't even have to use the note then since rem would have killed the guy if he didn't
>>151977115
>There are plenty of ways a Death Note could help progress toward a better world.
List some.
>>151979387
>Who could be prone to fucking up shit just like he did.
Just like Rem COULD be prone to fucking up shit. Except Light knows Mikami more than Rem and can trust him more. For one, Mikami doesn't hate his ass and he knows Mikami's life. Rem is a wild card.
>Because Misa was a problem for him then when he was just trying to not let L get a 1 up on him, if his enemies are dead Misa is clearly useful to him
Misa knows his secret. He could very well want to bury everything and move on. No enemy = Red eyes aren't so useful.
>She is the one who came to him out of her own free will, she is the one who fucked herself over.
Irrelevant. No Light = Misa isn't a suspect = Rem doesn't need Light to protect Misa because the reason Misa needs to be protected is Light's existence.
>Not shorcuts involving working with serial killers who he's trying to chase
We've seen him hiring literal criminals when the situation was pretty good for him. He'd very well cooperate if the situation involved his life, the life of all his agents, Watari, and all the future victims of Kira. It's a do or die deal, except it's actually the righteous thing to do. Nobody would refuse.
>It makes more sense for L to betray rem after
Except Rem could kill him anyday, so no
>Alot of choppers have no camera inside the actual heli and are outside it.
L would want cameras in his chopper.
>Light didn't even have to use the note then since rem would have killed the guy if he didn't
Why would she do that? Light planned that he could kill him later if needed, meaning he knew she wouldn't
>>151979540
Manipulating people at the top, mostly. And playing with the medias. You could do a lot with that. The problem would be to know exactly what you're doing since it could have many, many unexpected consequences.
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>>151979570
>Just like Rem COULD be prone to fucking up shit
No because she only has one thing to do while he has to expect mikami to pull of shit as instructed.
>Misa knows his secret
Which is better for him so he doesn't have to worry about having a wife bother him and then slater finding out and forcing him to kill her, with misa he knows she ain't gonna do shit like that since it won't do any good for her.
>bury everything and move on.
Move on from what? Back to his killings? Because he did that and you can't deny misa is an ideal partner for him and he knows everything about her and can use her eyes if another opponents arises. Risking it with some random women ain't worth it.
>No Light = Misa isn't a suspec
Dumb argument, equivalent to saying no ryuk= light not a suspect.
She came to him. Because of her actioms her well being and innocene relied on light.
>We've seen him hiring literal criminals when the situation was pretty good for him.
Not blatant serial killers that have murdered his own men, you're potraying L as a cold hearted fuck that doesn't care about people who died for his cause. Also he needed those people to break in since the police dropped their support on the case.
>Except Rem could kill him anyday,
Which is irrelevant, if L could bring both kira's down at the cost of his life he would do so. Trying to act like L is afraid of threats.
>L would want cameras in his chopper.
Irrelevant, it wasn't there and its not suprising since alot have them outside it to track below or around them. L wasn't gonna delay getting a chopper for some retarded hypothetical reason when chasing kira as he would have no reason to think about it.
Because the longer Light is in memory loss and continues to crackdown the kira's it would put misa at risk. Especially if the fake kira isn't killed and starts spouting inconsistencies about the death note rules or says anything harming misa light would know if he couldn't kill for x reason rem would.
>>151980512
>No because she only has one thing to do while he has to expect mikami to pull of shit as instructed.
Except what she has to do is killing herself. Mikami has to follow instructions.
Anyway, I'm done with that. It's canon. Light trusted Mikami, and fucked up. He got caught.
>Which is better for him so he doesn't have to worry about having a wife bother him and then slater finding out and forcing him to kill her
Nothing forces him to marry. No, having a wife wont make him less Kira than he is. Having Misa know his secret is bad for him on the long run. At least it COULD be bad and that's what Rem would think.
>She came to him. Because of her actioms her well being and innocene relied on light.
Getting rid of Light and of her Death Note would mean she wouldn't have any innocence to prove. That's what Rem could very well think.
>Not blatant serial killers that have murdered his own men, you're potraying L as a cold hearted fuck that doesn't care about people who died for his cause.
You're portraying L as someone who'd condemn his own men, himself, his friend and thousands/millions of other men to death because he'd seek revenge for the 2 people Misa killed.
>Which is irrelevant, if L could bring both kira's down at the cost of his life he would do so. Trying to act like L is afraid of threats.
This is absolutely dumb. L let Light and Misa go after they lost their memories. If Misa forgot everything again, he'd let her go the same and he wouldn't kill himself to try to convict an amnesic.
This is retarded and your english too
>>151964139
Why didn't Light have five year old's walk up to the task force members daily and, say: You can stop this at any time, and then have the kids slit their throats in front of them?
>>151980734
I've seen that in the last thread, who thought about that? It's genius and horribly fucked up
>>151979608
>Manipulating people at the top, mostly. And playing with the medias.
Isn't that basically what happened anyway? DN isn't like Lelouch's geass which gives you more direct control. But I have no doubt Light could have effected change if he was willing to wait a while.
At the end of the day, Death Note is a series directed at young people so you have a fitting protagonist who is enthusiastic about changing the world, enamored with fancy ideas and theories, challenges authority, and can't resist an opportunity to prove himself/show off. He gets compared to not only to other anime characters like Lulu but literary characters like Raskolnikov. The writer just wanted to have some fun though.
>>151966749
>What killed this series to me is that Light's motivations didn't make sense and this is a gaping plothole.
It's called being a fucking sociopath. You can't say it doesn't make sense when there are people like him walking around in real life. Terrorists, antifa activists and other depraved remnants of Soviet subversion, fascist parties, and other lovely people like that. They disregard their victims as trash so they can attack them with a clear conscience.
Rodrigo Duterte is a good example. Even has the same bullshit reasons. I believe he said something along the lines of "I'll burn in Hell, if the people I serve live in paradise."
>>151980734
Light was a mass murderer but he still had a code. I could see him killing criminal kids, but not random kids.
Plus he cared about Kira's public image as justice.
>>151981002
>DN isn't like Lelouch's geass which gives you more direct control
Your targets die after 3 weeks but until then you have direct control.
>The writer just wanted to have some fun though
This. I think they said it was just a mindgame between two geniuses in the end. People thinking Death Note has philosophical value or anything are deluding themselves, these subjects are never talked about.
>>151980766
I came up with it. Pretty obvious course of action, I think, if you don't have any morals like Light. But I'm more about winning than winning by a made up code.
>>151964139
L had so much fucking plot armor that you couldn't take a single thing he did seriously.
Since I just rewatched this yesterday I must say Light was stupid the moment he decides to kill Ray Pender and all of the FBIs. If he just ignored every stalkers and use the police information NOT to chase after them but instead avoid any unnecessary conflict then no one could even reach him because they dont even know about the existence of the note and death god.
He lets his ego become an obstacle which moved him away from his original intention and violated his own rule by killing the innocents.
In some alternative universe where L and Light actually work together to solve crimes while Light lives his perfect life with Misa, now that would be my jam.
>>151981104
>Your targets die after 3 weeks but until then you have direct control.
Sorry, I meant geass can just turn people into your chess pieces. You can make so and so do such and such and and the victims don't necessarily have to die.
And yeah, all those questions like "Who is right?" is of little real concern in the series. The one cop at the end even says he doesn't care.
>>151968103
If the graphs are true, I would say
Light is more intelligent but lacks experience.
L is less intelligent (but still very intelligent), but his skills have been honed and challenged from a very young age at that special orphanage and through all the cases he's worked on before the Kira case.
Light's never really been challenged by anything before.
So Light is more intelligent, but his intelligence isn't as developed as L's.
That can explain some of Light's early errors and why L can outwit him despite being 'less intelligent'.
>>151982392
Rating intelligence on 10 doesn't make sense in the first place, Light and L could be smart in very different domains
and yes L is actually a detective so no matter how smart Light is he's going disadvantaged there
>>151980665
>Except what she has to do is killing herself.
Which is clear she will always go that far for Misa
Having a gf or wife is good fot Lights background so he doesn't fit the generic case of a seriel killer and misa is usefull to him so i seriously don't know why you're acting like the negatives outweigh the positives here.
Light is more likely to keep Misa out of trouble than handing her over to L who would definently get her punished.
Exceot when L ends up uncovering the evidence Misa would be fucked and worse she would think she's innocent.
You're the fucking retard. L would not co operate with rem and then backstab her to put both Kira and Misa in jail, he doesn't have to tie his hand here picking one.
>L let Light and Misa go after they lost their memories.
Because they had nothing on them and questioning was pointless. If he actually had enough to convict them he would send them to jail regardless. This comparison is retarded. Criminals don't get to go away because of amnesia.
More importantly, no one likes Near.
>>151969842
>She's a useless puppet
Yet it was the useful puppet Mikami who got light killed
>>151986013
>and lemme tell ya something else!
>>151986013
>breaks autistic routine while being watched
>not trusting in "God" to handle the situation
>blames it all on Light when they're caught
Mikami a shit. Misa was better.
>>151986735
The anime did him better, made more sense for someone like him to commit suicide in the situation he was in
But I wonder how a stab wound made with a pen was able to gush out that much blood
>>151985677
I like Near
>>151990082
He isn't even good enough for dicks
>>151964139
L is smarter
Light just had more cheat options available to him
>>151990893
L had more resources
>>151966749
>Light's motivations didn't make sense and this is a gaping plothole
Getting rid of trash is not a good motivation?
>They should have just made it so his motivation was to fuck with investigators out of boredom nihilistic pleasure
That's fucking autistic.
>>151964139
Well, L had billions of resources, while light had close to noneand still won