Dragon Ball Thread

>>151916789
yeah no someone make a proper thread fuck off salagir

>>151916789
Never, even the ningens hates Multiverse

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Friendly reminder :^)

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>>151916848
Updated, Toyobro .:^)

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Anime

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking

>>151916876

Thank you, based Toyobro.

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>>151916876
updated my bros

>>151916789
Is there any more annoying character like her? What a fucking cunt.

>>151916907
>What the fuck am I reading?
Edit that and make it watching you ningen

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>>151916895

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/


>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

>At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

>>151916907
thank you

>>151916907
thank you based bro

>>151916907
arigato bro-chan

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>>151916943
>>151916895

>At this point, I'm not very involved with it

Anime confirmed noncanon garbage.

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>>151916943
>Shueisha Establishes “Dragon Ball Room” to Expand and Optimize Content

Shueisha revealed that it had newly established a “Dragon Ball Room” on June 21st of this year. Its goal is to break down barriers between departments to expand and optimize the globally popular Dragon Ball franchise.

The announcement was made at Shueisha’s new publication planning presentation held in Tokyo on the 12th. Although the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized. Iyoku says that, “in practical terms you can think of it as handling both the rights and editing. It’s a new experiment to have a department that only thinks about Dragon Ball.”

Akira Toriyama, the original author, commented that, “I was wanting to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with help from Shueisha’s excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend. It’d really be great if this way I won’t have to do anything!!!!”

TA states he trusts the team at Shueisha, unlike Toei he publically bashed.
This paired with the fact Toyotaro is relaying information to Toei from now on (revealed at NY Comic Con interview) makes it genuinely authentic.
Only time will tell in February though how they decide to handle the two mediums.

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Bulma is pregnant with Bra in episode 77

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Reminder that Toyotaro is a hack

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>>151917010

>>151916907
So is Vegeta randomly OP now?

Or did Black get WEAKER when he transformed?

>>151916907
dankeschön bruder

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>>151916907
>>151917037

for fuck sake give it a rest.
yes he fucked up now pls stop.

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BRA CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>151917037
>>151917098

samefag

>>151917090
its a simple inconsistency move on.

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reminder that Toyotaro is a god at fixing toei's clusterfucks. just look at the changes he put so far:
> goku and vegeta never meet black until they get to the future, no back and forth future <-> present rides either
> black is (currently) much weaker than SSB saiyans, as he should be
> black can't magically go
> vegeta doesn't job, instead he very nearly destroys black
> immortal-zamasu is no longer just a useless roadblock, we already see him used in creative ways: giving his ki to black to fully heal him (which we have seen characters do in the past and it left them very weak afterwards - since zamas heals instantly he can just spam heals)
> trunks' mary sue powers removed (so far)
> apparently black will only become a real threat when he fuses, I'm not sure how I feel about this but it solves the stupid power level inconsitancies where trunks can deal with fused zamasu
> every supporting character does something
> for example, supreme kai actually does something, travels to the future himself because here he actually knows what a time ring is

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>>151916895
>>151916943

Proof that the DBS Manga is promotional material for the DBS Anime:

> 1- It's published in V-Jump

V-Jump is a monthly publication, and is Shueisha's multimedia-focused magazine (primarily for video game coverage, but also to help promote their various properties). It's not where their properties LIVE, it's where their properties get PROMOTED. V-Jump has decent circulation, but it's not a primary location that Shueisha publishes manga within. The big one is, obviously enough, Weekly Shonen Jump; that's where Dragon Ball was originally serialized, and it's where all the actual heavy-hitters go. If you're big-time, you're not in V-Jump. You're in V-Jump if you're supplementing or promoting something else. It's for spin-offs and sequels, not main products.

(V-Jump is also home to the DB Heroes manga)

> 2 - It's written by a different artist under a pseudonym

Toyotaro is not Akira Toriyama. I mean, that's totally obvious, but it's an important point. Sure, we know Toriyama's not really interested in writing major manga series anymore (particularly on a strict weekly schedule), but that someone else is handling the manga adaptation speaks volumes. You can promote it's new Dragon Ball, but you can't promote that it's new Dragon Ball direct from the pen of the original author himself. That already knocks it down a peg. Regardless of Toyotaro's talent and what Toriyama says about him, at the end of the day, he's just not Toriyama. Furthermore, he doesn't even have his own real name - he's just a semi-anonymous figurehead for Shueisha to trot out.

(cont.)

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>>151917141
what the fuck? WHAT

>>151917197
(Cont.)
> 3 - It's not a stand-alone product in and of itself

The earlier Battle of Gods manga chapters jump all over the place, and though it's a continuing story, for a little bit there it doesn't literally go from the exact same setup/scene to the next appropriate scene on a chapter-by-chapter basis. Once you get past that, you suddenly skip an entire story arc (RoF). Unless you understand what the Dragon Ball Super manga is, and can contextually place it among the other stuff going on and being released, it's not the easiest thing in the world to follow. Sure, you can fill in the holes on your own, but an actual story doesn't get written that way when it's supposed to stand on its own.

> 4 - We were told it was a "comicalization" from the start

Right with the first chapter, Toyotaro said:

> "Getting to see a new DB anime series every week makes me too happy! With this comicalization, I want to make my own small contribution to the excitement, so everyone please check out the manga, too!"

You have to read between the lines there a little bit, but not so much that it's not clear: the manga isn't the main product here.

Sooooooooo...

Yes, Toyotaro's comic seems to, in some ways, be its own independent adaptation of Toriyama's scripts/plot-points. Toyotaro gets to do his own thing from time to time, adding his own flourishes, focusing on certain aspects, and telling the series of events in slightly different ways. At the end of the day though, he and his product are in the position of supporting something else.

>>151917222
>>151917006
DELETE THIS

>>151917193
> black can't magically go super saiyan rose with no explanation*

was what I meant to write.

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>>151916848
>>151916876
>Hurr hurr I forgot the Senzu Beans in the bathroom, hurr hurr I forgot the urn in the Time machine, hurr hurr I forgot the seal at Kame house


Fuck Toei, for what they did to Goku.

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t-thanks for promoting me m-m-mangafags

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>>151917193
>reminder that Toyotaro is a god at fixing toei's clusterfucks
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

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>>151917197
>the promotional material ends up being better than the main product
Damn Toei sucks.

>>151917326
manga: one mistake> toei :99999 mistake
you good in math bro?

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put em up, mangafags!!!

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@151916799
@151916798
Neither of you fucks are worth a (You) you're too fucking new.

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>>151917193
>black is (currently) much weaker than SSB saiyans, as he should be

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Mexico's favorite anime: Dragonball Super

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>>151917449

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How do you go from this...

>>151917326
this is kinda dumb, yeah. but toei/toriyama already set it up for trunks being unreasonably strong for fanservice, you can't fix that plothole in any elegant way.

>>151917333
> comparing random, cherry-picked screengrabs
> ignoring that the manga is fucking up the current arc

Boy u sure showed me

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>>151917530

.... to THIS?

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>>151917537
>cherry-picked

>>151917392
> Lol this meme again

Prove it then

Still waiting on an answer to >>151909563

>>151917570
Shitty animators

>>151916907
It's literally in the "cons of the manga" section my over-weight friend.

>>151917449
Inconstancies asides, you have to admit this was easily the most exciting (non-filler) episode in Super. People were shitting bricks after this.

>>151917537
>ignoring that the manga is fucking up the current arc

The anime already splendidly fucked up its own Black arc. It started out okay and turned to absolute shit.

Manga Black arc is already better by miles.

>>151917449
>>151917515
difference is we animefags don't pride ourselves with being flawless and being 100% logical. Its all about the hype. however you guys are neckbearded autist where everything has to be perfect. Sadly its no longer the case. not only is the manga a rushed incomplete piece of shit. it has also fucked up.

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>>151917570
or from this

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>>151917570

>>151917570
> how do you go from (Movie pic)
> to THIS (most infamous DBS episode)

I'd call u a retard, but you already did it on your own

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>>151917653
to this

>>151917632
The only good thing about the manga's F.Trunks arc is Trunks vs Dabura

Everything else is inconsistent, rushed, and lacks tension

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>>151917681

cry more toeipaco

>>151917731
>lacks tension

funny because that's exactly how I felt watching the shitty anime black arc

lol I forgot the senzu beans we'll be ok
lol I forgot the senzu beans again we'll be ok
lol I forgot to take out the mafuba jar we'll be ok

>>151917652
I'm not a b-but muh powerlevels autist, but the later episodes in the zamasu saga were almost unwatchable.

>>151917631
Not really, the fight between Vegeta and Black was shit.

>>151917652
>it's OK the anime's writing is shit!!!!
>Its all about the hype.
Too bad, you don't have that either, even 2ch thinks DBS is trash.

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>>151916848
>>151916876
I haven't been in these theads in a while.
Have the manga stopped being shit now?
I never regarded it as less canon the the anime but there was just some stuff in it seemed stupid at the time and seemed more like filler shit then anything else.

As long as Trunks isn't the Biggest Marry Sue on the planet in the manga im more then happy to pick it up

>>151917731
How is it inconsistent? It does almost nothing but remove inconstancies.

>>151917854

Trunks isn't a Mary Sue
Vegeta is actually cool and threatening
Goku isn't a retard like in the anime
Fights are all around way better visually
More logic in the plot barring 1 or 2 small mistakes that only autists care about

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>>151917018
I FUCKING TOLD YOU IDIOTS

BEST GIRL IS COMING SOON

BRACE YOURSELVES

WE DID IT, BRABROS.

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>>151917731
>lacks tension
Regular humans thwarting the main villains with conventional means.
Black failing to kill Mai several times, if that faggot can't even kill Mai he's not killing Goku and the others.

>>151917731
>rushed
The pacing of this arc is fine, why the fuck do you guys think this is rushed? Because there's no one powering up for 10 episodes?

>>151917731
>rushed
Maybe you're too used to Toei dragging everything out?

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>>151917915
Even tho this thread seems to be more like an autistic warzone for Manga vs Anime fags i will take your word for it.
At least i don't have to look at literal philippine cave drawing

>>151917945
THIS

>>151916789
Friendly reminder that theres a power level debate about the manga is becaus you couldnt discuss that in the anime without looking like an absolute retard or autist.
Base Black molesting SSB Vegeta is a joke and no amount of shitposting is going to convince anyone that one mistake by Toyo somehow makes the manga bad.

>>151917854
>Have the manga
Has*
You dumbass.

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>being an animecuck past the age of 12
holy fuck, that's embarrassing. i'd probably kill myself if i was that immature. thank god i grew up and realized the true patrician qualities of the manga.

>>151918107
in english pedro?

>>151917018
That's cool. Are there translations for these?

>>151917197
None of what you posted means shit now that Shueisha has established Dragon Ball Room to keep Toei in check.
We have been saved from GT2.0 thanks to Toyotaro and Jump

>>151917945
Why are you calling yourselves Toeichads and not Animechads? Toei is a cancerous studio.

>>151918003
I will never understand how that can work against an immortal like Zamasu, I'll give Black since he still needs to breath since he's on a saiyan body

>>151917018
gonna need this fully translated

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>>151918207
>'ll give Black since he still needs to breath since he's on a saiyan body

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>>151918250

>>151918250

Even if you get away from tear gas your body still gets fucked from it.

>>151918207
> just toei things

but to be honest it should block Zamasu's eyesight, which is all he has since he can't since ki.

>>151918107

Now try that in English, Paco.

>>151918331
They were fine after they got away from it.

Reminder that if we replace the manga Hit battle with the anime Hit battle then the manga is literally perfect.

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>>151918355
>Zamasu's eyesight, which is all he has
Some fighting prodigy Zamasu is

>>151918173
not him but toei used to be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZEFs_A0l7U

>>151918411
Nah screw that the anime fight was shit.

>>151918411
the anime battle was total shit and made no sense what so ever. what the fuck are you talking about

>>151918502
This thread is for people with good taste only. If you don't have good taste then please don't post in this thread.

>>151918146
Had to turn off spellcheck since phone is at max memory kek.

Reposting about SS Gohan
>>151917563
>>151917618

>>151918411
>rapid punch spams instead or strategy and actual fight choreography
Yeah no.

>>151918560
>he needs spellcheck
get out fernando

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Reposting my autism from the dying thread
>>151917563
>I said an aura with sparks ALL time aren't a thing for saiyans if they aren't in their SS2 form.
Explain Cell after he came back from the explosion.

>ALL Gohan SS forms have one tuft.
And then you have the guts to call me a liar, check this post>>151908296

>anger enough + intention to go SS2 = SS2
>greater anger + NO intention to transform = SS
So if what you say is right, Gohan, back at the cell game had the intention to transform when he got mad at cell?Because I don't think he was aware that the ssj2 existed at that time so he denitely had no intention to transform but he still did into a ssj2. You are not making any sense and you are creating cause and effects that fits your argument as you please.

>Doesn't make sense if Gohan can control his SS2 without being angry,
Why doesn't it make sense? Gohan can control his ssj2 form, he uses it against Dabra. Where is the missing link?
>Toriyama forgot his spiky sparked aura EVERY time.
Something something Kibito. The image is even posted.
>pic related doesn't look like a SS2 transformation but OK
To be fair it doesn't look like anything since you didn't post anything.
>You are grasping at straws because Toriyama just stopped drawing the second tuft.
That argument can literally be used against you by changing "turfs" with "sparks"

>You are literally the first person I see what pretends Dabura was fighting seriously with Gohan.
Alright, what makes you think that Dabra wasn't serious against Gohan? His objective is to damage his ennemies in order to get energy to awaken majin buu and he is loyal af to Badibi so he was indeed serious when fighting Gohan.

>>151918535
>This thread is for people with good taste only.
Then why are you here?

>>151918107
>>151918146
>>151918366
Friendly reminder that there's a power level debate about the manga because you couldn't discuss that in the anime without looking like an absolute retard or autist.
Base Black molesting SSB Vegeta is a joke and no amount of shitposting is going to convince anyone that one mistake by Toyo somehow makes the manga bad.
Corrected from phone posting with auto correct turned off since for some reason its laggy on 4chins

>>151918475
ah back then when the anime was actually watchable.

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>>151916907
>toeishills great defense to >>151916876 is ONE single inconsistent chapter in the manga, chapter 19

>>151918468
Didn't Whis have Goku close his eyes as training in the Hit filler? Does Toei even remember the original series?

>>151918628
You do if you're a phoneposter with massive fingers. If I'm at my computer i don't ever spellcheck.

>>151917607
Anon..
>>151918519

Reminder manga is shit fanfic.


Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

>>151918331
>gas doesn't touch you
>body gets fucked from it
pick one

>>151918835
AT also said it's better this way that toyo adds his own shit.
He also said old SSJ wouldn't return and yet they're back in both mediums.

How is Vegeta SSJ2 being stronger than SSJ3 wrong again?
I thought he beating Beerus was proof enough.

>>151919178
Toeishills desperate for power level debates since you were laughed at for even attempting to discuss PL in the anime.

>>151919178
Toei shills are getting desperate.

>>151919178
>I thought he beating Beerus was proof enough.
>he didnt beat beerus.
> rage boost that only lasted for this specific instant
goku even said we just have to slap bulma and then vegeta can handle the rest. vegeta couldnt mantain it.
also according to the black fight vegeta >>>>>>> goku base which is not the case and has to be an inconsistent.
inb4 autistic toeifag
I dont give a fuck about the shitty anime I only follow the manga.

>>151916789
Akira Toriyama= George Lucas

>>151917018
>Filler episode on February 5th
>The same day the new arc was supposed to start
Interesting.

>>151916789
January 29

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>>151919349
>rage boost that only lasted for this specific instant
That was in the movie in the manga no one said this and it's not like this hasn't happened before.

>also according to the black fight vegeta >>>>>>> goku base
Not really.

>>151919540
>New arc February 5th!
>only in the next episode preview though lol

>>151919563
in the manga no one said vegeta being stronger then goku. They just say since when is vegeta so strong.
BoG is a bit rushed bit it still takes the major stuff from the movie.

>>151919563
and this pic proves me wrong because?
that was a clear rage boost. also the way the events in the manga played out toyo just took out the muh bulma stuff and trunksxmai. still canon though

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>>151919624
>>151919624
>in the manga no one said vegeta being stronger then goku.
SS2 Vegeta was able to land blows on Beerus, SS3 Goku wasn't.

>>151919540
>>151919587
To be fair Bra being confirmed should be cobsidered part of the canon arc and was probably in AT's plot outline.

>>151919723
> rage boost
just because some stuff isnt mentioned it doesnt mean its not there. of course vegeta surpassed goku that instant I was just giving you an exemple. because you said it was never mentioned.

How would you fix DBS /a/?

>>151919836
Establish a department of Shueisha/Jump to quality control Toei for the shit anim- oh wait.

>>151919836
Removing every ningen from the show

>>151919950
the anime will suck regardless even with based toyotaro giving them info or even drafts. heck they didnt even bother to animate the beerus vs champa fight.

>>151919832
>because you said it was never mentioned.
No, I said no one said it was a temporary boost and going off the latest chapter it clearly seems to be permanent.

>>151920002
even that wont salvage the inconsistency set in that chapter.
greatest problem is having trunks ssj2 = goku ssj3.

>>151920066
>greatest problem is having trunks ssj2 = goku ssj3.
Why?

>>151920000
That's irrelevant since it's pre DBR era

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>>151920000
>heck they didnt even bother to animate the beerus vs champa fight.
Shit would have been so cool, if done well.

Will they ever explain what Trunks' new form was?

>>151920101
because base black toyed with a trunks this powerful.
and vegeta was only superior to ssj3 goku when being ssj2. if we take that into account.

>>151920268
Shitty Toei writing

>>151920302
It's never confirmed the malnourished SSJ2 Trunks was FPSSJ2 tier.

>>151920376
> never confirmed that his malnourishment decreased his strength.

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>>151920302
>because base black toyed with a trunks this powerful.

SS2Black>SS3 tier SS2 Trunks>Base Black>Normal SS2 Trunks

When Trunks fought Black before going to the past he wasn't at his best, he was living off cat and dog food. When he first attacked Black it was in base mode, only after seeing Mai die was he able to muster some power to transform. So it probably wasn't his SS3 tier SS2 form.

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>Bra confirmed

can't wait

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>>151920543

>>151920483
I never said that, he clearly has two grades of SSJ2

>>151920543
Maybe using SS2 during that fight was the reason he was in such bad shape when he arrived in the past.

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>>151920588
SOON

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>>151920543
Also Trunks did reference fighting SS2 Black before.

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>>151920543
>>151920376
He told goku and bulma he fought with everything he got and trained for the past ten years like his life depended on it and was no match for black. Also mai's death must have helped him trigger a little bit of a rage boost.

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>Bra confirmed in episode 77 of super
YES

>>151920690
>>151920756
rev up the saiyan princess art
no Salagir allowed

>>151920690
I hope their clothes get damaged

>>151920543
>>151920752
come on guys give it a fucking rest.
this shit has been going on every thread now. its pathetic. so what if he fucked up? move the fuck on. cant you just enjoy the manga for what it is.

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>>151920812
Hi anon.

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Finally
WE DID IT BRAHS WE WON

>>151920886
Whose arm is that?

>>151920866
I like the manga but its clear it aint perfect of course discussing the same thing over and over again can get repetitive.

>>151920952
Her pimp.

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>>151920812
GinyuBra is best Bra

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>>151920946
BEST GIRL IS COMING TO SUPER

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It's time.

>>151921033
Can't wait to see all the butthurt when canon Bra is nothing like Multiverse Bra.

>>151920752
Still no direct confirmation regarding that form in that fight.
You could also speculate that being so malnourished he didnt have the luxury to spend an ounce of stamina towards going full powered SSJ2.

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Bra and Pan Precure parody episode when

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>fun time stories with bra and and the family episodes
MY HEART

>>151921073
>>151921179
I hope Trunks is already a teenager.

>>151921108
> fighting at his limits
>choses not to go at full power
at least its stated in the manga that trunks gave his all. the malnourishment limiting him during fights was never mentioned in the manga. yes it was shown but we dont know if it limited him.
Thats just assumptions

>>151917222
>when you realize it won't be canon in 10 years like Digimon 02 or GT

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Reminder

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>>151920002
if vegeta boost was permanent why was he so surprised by the fact that trunks was able to equal goku in his ssj2?

>>151921229
Hunger effecting stamina has been a plot element since Goku vs Jackie Chun in the first Tenkaichi Budokai.

>>151921343
>implying GT was ever canon
Even back then when GT first aired, Toriyama said it was a side-story.

>>151921500
goku is always hungry.
trunks isnt such a big eater.

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>>151921577
All saiyans have a huge appetite.

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>tfw this will happen soon
fuck yes

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There will be a "hilarious" misunderstanding about Vegeta thinking Goku is Bra's father? The writers seem to have a NTR fetish

>>151921500
It's a plot element since Goku's first fight with Yamcha.

>>151921452
Because he's surprised at how strong Trunks has become same as Goku was.

>>151921618
except trunks.
also goku is the only guy who complaints about being hungry during fights. (mostly for comical relief).

>>151921677
>except trunks
Says who?

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>>151920756
>>151920588

>>151921677
>except trunks.
Not remembering CHEW ATTACK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpf2z5XE6WI

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>>151921662
Nah, they just know who the superior couple would be.

If every arc has a nostalgic undertone to it, what are they going to milk going forward?

>Battle of Gods revives the franchise (which is nostalgia milking in and of itself), plus it makes the Pilaf gang prominent again
>Resurrection F is all about Freeza wanking
>U6 Tournament fakes us out thinking we're gonna make Buu relevant again, but chickens out with a Freeza-clone
>Zamasu Arc brings back and makes prominent Future Trunks and Supreme Kai and gives us more Vegito
>Universal Survival Arc gonna make Roshi, 17, 18, and Buu relevant again

What's left to rehash? Are they going to play up the Mystic Gohan angle again? Recycle the GT karma dragons or golden oozaru form? Make Fortuneteller Baba and Grandpa Gohan relevant again? Show us Uub growing up in Upa's village?

>>151921643
So Whis is Bra's mother now?

>>151921717
>>151921739
future trunks was never a big eater in the manga. also the ova is not canon.

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>>151921728
>Nervous Vegeta
I hope we have protective daddy Vegeta episodes.

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>>151921728
>>151921728
>>151921728
>>151921728
>>151921728

>>151921717
>>151921739
if lack of food was such a big deal he would have mentioned it. he hasnt complained about it. why are you guys trying to push your headcanon into others.

>>151921803
>Make Fortuneteller Baba and Grandpa Gohan relevant again? Show us Uub growing up in Upa's village?
I'd love these.

>>151921833
Trunks and Future Trunks are literally the same person, anon. If kid Trunks eats like a pig, then the same applies to Future Trunks.

>>151921728
>in the forest they find Freeza, Buu and Cell
I have a bad feeling about this

>>151921940
>one was brought up in a apocalyptic world and has adapted to it
> the other is a rich spoiled brat.
No

>>151921677
>except trunks
Heh.
https://youtu.be/2icq0sNArEM

>>151921995
Same person who went through different experiences, retard.

>>151921960
>Buu absorbs Cell
>Perfect Buu becomes a total bro
>it was all just a dream

Hi is this the autism thread

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceNrOwbU600

fucking hate this ending

>>151922042
if you referring the future trunks chew crap in the ova. its not canon.
and no need to get all sperged up. chill your nips.

>>151921728
>"Paradise Grass" herb
>in the forest they find Freeza, Majin Boo, Cell...

So Goku and Krillin smoke some laced shit, and go on a bad trip?

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What was the point of this, if not to show Trunks wasn't at his best?

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>>151918629
>Cell
I said SAIYANS, anon.

>And then you have the guts to call me a liar
Because you are a liar, I said several times he have one tuft as soon the tournament starts. A panel with Gohan pre-tournament is pointless.

>Gohan, back at the cell game had the intention to transform when he got mad at cell?
That's implying Gohan wasn't angrier at the Cell Game. Too bad I never said that.
You aren't making any sense and you are pretending that I said some stuff to debunk my actual argument.

>Why doesn't it make sense?
I said what I (not you) said doesn't make sense... if Gohan can control his SS2 form without anger, but that's your assumption. You guess Gohan can control perfectly his SS2 transformation so he should be SS2 against Dabura and Buu, that's why we are talking about if Gohan can actually control the form or not. Also, you didn't answer me about the fact of according to you, Gohan was SS2 in the Kaioshin realm, because he had one tuft.

>Something something Kibito
wat

>you didn't post anything.
kek I'm retarded sorry for that dude. See now

>That argument can literally be used against you by changing "turfs" with "sparks"
Except can't. Your argument is Toriyama forgot draw a big sparked aura which covers Gohan's entire body EVERY panel since Dabura appears. Gohan fighting Dabura? "He forgot!" Gohan fighting Buu? "He forgot!" Gohan with the Z-Sword not even trying use regular SS? "He forgot, he forgot every panel every time except the time he actually said he use SS2 front Kibito!" I am talking about a simple change in Gohan design, you are grasping that Toriyama forgot the sparks and the spikes on the aura absolutely all panels except when the character "casually" states he's using SS2 and "casually" this only happened with Gohan.

>Dabura
His objective is to damage his enemies in order to get energy to awake Buu, so he was indeed trying to kill Gohan, making it impossible to extract his energy?

(1/2)

>>151922154
that his life is shit. nothing to do with not being at his best.

>>151922166
>>151918629
(2/2)
Look... this is ridiculous. It's easy.

According to me:
>Gohan was SS, which implies
>Toriyama changed one tuft in Gohan's desing

According to you:
>Gohan was SS2, which implies
>Gohan was SS2 in the Kaioshin realm for no reason
>implying Toriyama forgot make his aura spiky when he was in the Kaioshin realm
>implying Toriyama forgot add sparks to his aura when he was in the Kaioshin realm
>implying Toriyama forgot make his aura spiky when he fighted Dabura
>implying Toriyama forgot add sparks to his aura when he fighted Dabura
>implying Toriyama forgot make his aura spiky when he fighted Buu, but didn't forget make Goku and Vegeta aura spiky too IN THE SAME CHAPTER
>implying Toriyama forgot add sparks to his aura when he fighted Buu, but didn't forget add sparks to Goku and Vegeta aura too IN THE SAME CHAPTER
>the only time Toriyama didn't forget make his aura spiky was the only time Gohan said he was going to use SS2
>the only time Toriyama didn't forget add sparks to his aura was the only time Gohan said he was going to use SS2


You are grasping, but If you are happy thinking that you are right... well, good, I'm tired of this.

>"but you are also implying Gohan's rage works like...!"
You are just ignoring facts. Those points makes sense... and yours (about logic) make sense too. Gohan not being able to go SS2 front Kibito if he can't control the form, even being angry, makes sense, is possible that Toriyama thought that way when he created the chapter, or is possible that he didn't. Discuss those are pointless, the only point is about the drawing itself, that's why making sense Gohan can control the form and he was SS2 and making sense Gohan can't and was SS, drawing make me think the second option is the correct one.
Bye, I'm going to bed, thanks to allow my weeaboo autism, bro.

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>>151916789
when the earth ningens finally get it through their thick skulls and realize training and fighting is the only way you can survive in a shonen series

>>151917197
>no goten
>no trunks
come on they're stronger than tien at base form. what the hell.

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>>151922197
>that his life is shit.
That was obvious aready

>>151922154
that the suffering goes on?
why does everything have to be linked with strength? Also there are multiple cans of meat and water to drink in the panel.

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>>151921728
Holy shit its actually happening i don't think i can handle it!

>>151921885
Because hes trying to act cool in front of
Mai.
Toyo doesn't need to spell out that he's malnourished, the half can of cat food speaks for itself.

>>151922090
Present Trunks has been shown eating like any other saiyan. So it's the same shit with F Trunks.

>>151921833
What's your point?

>Original DB states Goku needs a lot of food, and saiyan arc states Goku is a saiyan.
>Then, all saiyans having enormous appetite is a logic theory, and Buu arc confirms it.

We never see Trunks satisfying his appetite in the original manga, as Raditz, Nappa, Bardock, Goten, Pan and Bra, but there's no reason to think they aren't big eaters too, just the opposite. You're grasping at straws

>>151922308
>dat imagery
Based Toyo, Toei take notes.

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>>151922394
THIS
they even have some stuff as back up unlike in the anime where he only had one can of dog food left. malnourishment did not limit him. or else he would have said so.

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>>151922054
>gohanfag has shit taste

>>151922054
That's unironically my favorite ending, the music is catchy as fuck.

>>151922444
being short on food was anime only.
they have enough resources backed up in the manga see>>151922482

>>151922394
Those could be cans of something else.

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>>151922094
>So Goku and Krillin smoke some laced shit, and go on a bad trip?

would explain the old foes showing up. Just Goku and Krillin tripping out and re-living some memories as training from Roshi

>>151922482
Those are rations for the rest of their lives.

>>151922394
>>151922482
>why does everything have to be linked with strength?
More health really.

>Also there are 3 cans of dog food and water to drink in the panel.
ffty

>>151917854
Goku Black is a jobber just like Hit. It's still shit.

>>151922154
> its not even dog food
stop bringing this malnourishment toei crap over the manga.

>>151922444
Mai also wanted him to eat the whole can himself because she knows he needs strength.

>>151922574
its not dog food did yo even read what mai said.

>>151922574
there was also stuff in tje fridge since she took the water from there.

>>151917915
>Goku isn't a retard like in the anime
You mean the same Goku who has never kissed Chi Chi?

>>151918009
Yeah whatever you say Toyocuck, not even Android 19 and 20 were dealt with in 2 fucking Chapters.

>>151922650
Yes, the one she just gave him wasn't dog food. Which means they haven't eaten human food in a while.

>>151922482
thats what happens when people mix anime with the manga. they are two seperate things. just stop

>>151922602
Did you get assblasted and cry when they had to nerf Hit from being 10X stronger than SSB Goku to stay consistent with the plot outlines?

>>151922650
>its not dog food did yo even read what mai said.
The containers are different.
>>151922684
>there was also stuff in tje fridge since she took the water from there.
We didn't get to see inside.

>>151922723
no it was a dig to the anime.

>>151922766
>The containers are different.
doesnt change the fact that they have food problems like in the anime.
the manga has an inconsistency and reaching this far to make any sense of it is pathetic and I am a manga fan.

>>151922778
The point is he's malnourished in both mediums.
Mai was delighted to have non dog food for once.

>>151917808
>lol let's make Hit job to SSG
>kek let's make Black job too so funneh weak antagonists are epic XD

>>151922847
>doesnt change the fact that they have food problems like in the anime.
Exactly, so he was malnourished.

>>151922847
What inconsistency? You can't fight at full power of you're starving, this is a fact.
The real inconsistency is SSJ1/2 Black being supposedly stronger than before and yet weaker than SSJ2 Vegeta, not Trunks going full powered or not.
Even if this seems like a screwup, Trunks himself was worried and confused so it may be a plot point and not an inconsistency to begin with

>>151922735
>nerf Hit
Everyone and their mothers expected Goku to become stronger after the hell that was the Goku Black Arc. Some people I know even doubted Hit would be a match to post Black Arc Goku.

And Hit got BTFO by x10, he could only match regular Kaioken.

>>151919836
Cancelling it

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>tfw feels good to win

>>151922853
>The point is he's malnourished in both mediums.
but not to the same pointbas in the anime where they only had half a can left od dog food. it was never implied that this is hindering him.
if we go by biological facts then yes over time this does cause damage to the body but it also makes you decrease in strength and incapable to improve correctly. which he did. he did become much stronger in the course of the 10 years. so safe to say that this didnt hinde him.

>>151922998
No Hit was doing fine by the end, there's no logic or reason in the anime fight.

>>151918003
Goku died from a heart disease and do I need to remind you how Vegeta died in the canon arc that your non canon manga skipped?

>>151923017
He may have become strong over the course of the 10 years Paco but that's irrelevant from his state of health/stamina for that specific encounter.

>>151923036
>No Hit was doing fine by the end
Goku was no longer x10 by the end, different colors.

>>151923135
well rashij trunks stated to not have seen ssj black in a long time so its clear that black has manhandled him in his base beforeml.

>>151923080
>make RoF manga before Super's anime or monthly manga.
>"le stupid Toyo skipping movie recap filler arcs so the manga is not canon xD"
Stop posting any time.

>>151923017
>he did become much stronger in the course of the 10 years. so safe to say that this didnt hinde him.
Jesus fuck. Earth was in peace during the 10 years between the androids and Black, so of course he got stronger.

The problem is since Black first showed up (a year ago) and destroyed everything, food became scarce and Trunks has not been eating properly. One year without eating enough food will make anyone weak.

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>>151922482
>"They have two bottles of water and three cans of dog/cat food to survive until find more food (if they do) in their apocalyptic refuge, of course they are totally fine!"

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>>151921728
man japs are fast

>>151923216
blaxk didnt just show up one year prior.
you illiterate. they managed to hold black for one year.

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>>151923080
>Goku died from a heart disease and do I need to remind you how Vegeta died in the canon arc
What does this have to do with regular humans thwarting the main villains with conventional means?

>>151923227
> being this retarded.
not like she took out something from the fridge.

new goku son when

>>151923200
>make RoF manga
You mean the advertisement manga (just like the Super manga which is only advertisement for the anime) for the Movie that didn't actually get into the events of RoF?

Toyotaro also made AF so I guess according to your logic AF is part of the Super manga too and canon just like the RoF Manga.

>>151923317
Just so you know it still worked in the Manga too, Trunks escaped.

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>everyone hyping how that bra's existence is confirmed
>she grows up to be like GT Bra and not train due to being spoiled by vegeta.
>meanwhile pan is already one step closer into actually becoming a super saiyan.
face it bra's only purpose in this series is to be waifu fanservice

>>151923453
>Just so you know it still worked in the Manga too,
No it didn't because Mai almost died unlike the resistance who walk away from SSR Black and immortal Zamasu fine.

>>151923348
Yeah, water, no food

>>151923285
The point still stands. He became stronger during peaceful times. Then Black fucked up everything, food became scarce and Trunks hasn't been eating properly for a while.

>>151923510
The only way this happens is if Bulma is as protective as ChiChi was with Gohan. Which might actually be an interesting dynamic if they gave her a rebellious nature; "I want to play/train with dad and Trunks."

>>151923605
cans always have to be outside.
who says there is no food? we dont know

>>151923612
>The point still stands.
No it was never implied that he was set back by this. its pure assumption.

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>>151916876
>>151916904
>>151918726
Toyofam for life.

>>151920543
>some jobber from the Cell Arc who barely managed to beat Dabura with SSJ2 is stronger than Goku SSJ3 with Whis training.
Love how mangacucks try to defend this, there is no excuse even if you try the "there is no beyond god" meme because the shitty non canon manga skipped RoF.

Goku has been increasing the power of his base form with Whis for a long time now, there is no possible way some faggot that got some training from Supreme Kai can match him, let alone surpass him to the point that his SSJ2 is stronger than Goku's SSJ3.

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>>151921102
>implying anyone is expecting a woman in Dragon Ball to be able to go SSJ.

>>151923253
Why do people post pictures without first translating the savage moon runes first?

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>>151923851

>>151923538
>No it didn't because Mai almost died unlike the resistance who walk away from SSR Black and immortal Zamasu fine.
Result still is Trunks escaped. Also the Resistance was several unexpected targets vs the loud ass Mai screaming to Trunks right in front of Black.

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>>151923873
Read the manga faggot

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>>151921032
>>151921033

>>151916789
Hopefully never. Females characters are unnecessary for Dragon Ball.
All we want is amazing fights, something female characters cannot give us.

>>151923921
Some retards are expecting it because of muh multiverse.

>>151923941
>Result still is Trunks escaped.
Because of his own power not Mai, other then her "death" making Trunks transform.

>Also the Resistance was several unexpected targets
And? Quit reaching. All Black and Zamasu had to do was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhKswWkn5k

>>151924000
Shut up, Toriyama.

>>151924000
not sure if you are sarcastic or not, but that's what a lot of retard shonenfags actually think
>>151924003
even in multiverse, "that" Bra (daughter of Bulma and Vegeta) can't turn into SSJ

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>>151923926

>>151923669
>who says there is no food in the apocalypse?
Is legit assumption, even if you don't take it.

>>151923950
Is that why Trunks was such a failure in the Android Saga and Cell Arc? Gohan is a one of a kind thing, Trunks and Goten are not the same case.

Even then, are you seriously implying Mystic Gohan was stronger than current SSJ3 Goku?

>>151916876
I agree with basically everything here but it's got such a "mightier than thou" tone I can't fully like it.

>>151924146
Trunks didn't get good training with Vegeta like Gohan did with Goku.

>>151916848
>>151916876
>someone actually took the time to make this

This is why these threads belong to Toeichads.
Because they enjoy things, and aren't eternally buttblasted enough to sit around making these images.
Mangafags are not welcome.

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will someone answer the man?

>>151924214
THIS
Holy fuck how are you literally pathetic enough to sit around making such enormous images.
I don't even disagree with them, but I can't associate with anyone that sad.
Maybe they're just taking their children's cartoons and comic strips too seriously?

>>151924057
>Because of his own power not Mai
His own power would have gotten him killed right there without Mai.

>All Black and Zamasu had to do was this
And? Quit reaching. The resistance didn't stay there like idiots and they never revealed their positions to Black and Zamasu.

>>151924156
This. I am a mangafag but those other anons are always so arrogant during the anime x manga arguments, it's no wonder people are always trolling them.

>>151924146
>Is that why Trunks was such a failure in the Android Saga and Cell Arc?
Killed 17,18 and Cell seems fine to me.

>Gohan is a one of a kind thing,
Clearly not see Goku vs Trunks

>Trunks and Goten are not the same case.
Trunks and Goten became SS way sooner than everyone else, Gotenks went SS3 becoming stronger than Goku in Majin arc.

>Even then, are you seriously implying Mystic Gohan was stronger than current SSJ3 Goku?
Beats me.

>Bra i-isn't canon anymore, EoZ is getting r-retconed
>T-toriyama forgot!

Top kek

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>>151924286

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You may only choose one.

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>>151916848
>>151916876
>someone takes half of their day to make these with tears of anger streaming down their face as they defend their horrible manga
>"h-hehe, toeishills destruction!"

this belongs to (You)

>>151924209
Irrelevant, Trunks had tons of triggers to get to SSJ2 yet he never did, because he is not as good as Gohan. Besides both Vegeta and Trunks reached FPSSJ in the manga.

>>151924367
cant blame him.
goku went from universal thread to being laser fodder.

>>151924389
I chose you.

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>>151924214
>toeshills enjoy this

I see

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How does Hit's time-skip even work???

>>151924442
>posts a funnyjunk-tier four-paneled webcomic

Not helping yourself.

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>>151924389
Pan.

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Please let them grow toei

>>151924286
drake is such a poet man.
is it red or blue? who is the mightiest of the two?
true artist this nigga

>>151924323
>His own power would have gotten him killed right there without Mai.
Wrong, all she did was help him transform. Everything else was all Trunks.

>The resistance didn't stay there like idiots and they never revealed their positions to Black and Zamasu.
Dude the sound of their weapons were loud and clear, hell Mai even went in there with a bike. Are you saying Black and Zamasu are to slow and retarded to react to that and kill them?

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>>151924450

>>151924519
I hope Goten dies

>>151924351
>Killed 17,18 and Cell seems fine to me.
You mean those guys even Vegeta could have taken out by the time he did?

>Clearly not see Goku vs Trunks
I did in the canon anime, and Goku was superior thanks to his training with a fucking Angel.

>Trunks and Goten became SS way sooner than everyone else
Not in Future Trunks timeline.

>Gotenks went SS3 becoming stronger than Goku
Vegito at SSJ is FAR stronger than Gotenks at SSJ3.

>>151916848
>>151916876
Jesus, did you make these? I got nothing but pity

>>151924588
>Not in Future Trunks timeline
In the manga he was already a SS before Gohan died.

>>151924450
manga: if he is stronger or equal to someone he can freeze time for 0.1 second
anime: the world/mangekyou sharingan/janemba deus ex machina

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Why is Freeza so damn cute?

>>151923873
The logic behind no Saiyan Beyond God is from him not absorbing to base at the climactic finale of the BoG arc of the manga unrelated to RoF.
Besides, this isn't a competition, Toeishills have to live with the fact Trunks went from zero to hero (getting rekt by SSJ3 Goku and then keeping up with Rose) in the anime or base Black man handling SSB Vegeta.

>>151924519
>implying Toei calls any shots besides filler content.

>>151916907
toyofags BTFO hahaha
also thank you senpai

>>151924519
>marron
>Nose
Even Krillin's genes can't win a fight. I bet no one knows she's his daughter when he goes to parent teacher conferences.

>>151924652
>If he's stronger or equal to someone

Wow, they couldn't ruin a gimmick harder if they tried could they?

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>>151924214
>toeichads just enjoy things!
We are talking about the people which still milking the first inconsistent chapter in the whole DBS manga because they were waiting for this all this time since their version is already doomed to the absolute senseless, right..?

>>151917018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-wkAw2tuYw

and for the first time we know exactly when it happened

When is the next manga chapter coming out?

>>151924450
IT JUST WORKS.

>>151924497
>no argument
Not helping yourself.

>>151924813
>Bullshit hax powers don't work on stronger characters

Nothing new since the first Dragon ball