When characters and plots in spin offs are much better than those of the main story, why do authors not consider incorporating them into the original?
Mayu is objectively a much better heroine than Megumi. She got all the good traits of Megumi and Eriri while also having better chemistry with the MC and more in common. Both are otaku, she's a lot more cheerful and she makes him less of a fag.
Also Koisuru Metronome is a much more entertaining story with Tomoya actually being more successful than in the main storyline (in Saenai he can barely keep his circle going while in Koisuru Metronome he's producing anime).
Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?
Mayu is almost lame as Megumi. What's make Metronome interesting is how pretentious can be Utaha.
If being an otaku was all Tomoya cared about in a girl he would've picked Eriri in the main series. It's obvious he values more.
>>151907943
Koisuru Metronome is fun because it avoids the lame love triangle drama of the main series.
>>151908403
He actually would choose Eriri instead of Megumi previous to volume 11. Eriri had already won the bowl in volume 6 but ruined her chances and even then Tomoya still writes stories of them having sex like in volume 9.
>>151908773
>KM
>no love triangle
What are you on?
>Mayu is objectively a much better heroine than Megumi.
Triggered Megumifags incoming.
>>151908862
Eriri got close to winning, but Megumi's sudden departure kept Tomoya thinking about her, which is why he spent two months with Eriri and didn't make a move on her. V7 is when Eriri's chances are ruined and he's locked into the Megumi route, V11 is just him realizing his feelings.
>>151908961
I wish Mayu appeared in the main story and stole the bowl from them, their salty tears as their heroines are defeated by the superior Mayu would be priceless.
>Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?
Not spinoff but Iroha is more popular than Yukino and Yui.
>>151907803
>Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?
Yes. Thanks to Nagai and JC Staff.
>>151908961
>using Mayu to shitpost Megumi
Pathetic.
>>151908773
>Implying Utaha has a chance
What are you on?
The main reason KM is more enjoyable than the main story is because there's no character like Eriri causing drama and ruining everything for everyone.
>>151910031
Bullying Eriri is fun though.
The superior series.
>>151910031
This anon gets it. Its not about Mayu but the lack of Eriri that makes KM good.
>>151910354
>>151910264
>>151910031
>>151908862
Insecure Megumifags that get so triggered they must shitpost best girl. You are cancer
>>151910575
Fuck off poopoofag
>>151908961
Fuck off Eririshitter
Why do you always want to ruin the threads?
>>151910031
>No Eriri
This is why main story is better than KM.
>>151908961
>It came true
Nice call.
Mayu a best, a best!
>>151911036
No it isn't. KM has the superior story and superior depiction of the heroines, ditching those not needed.
Also Mayu has the cutest scenes! Its much better than anything Megumi has done up to this point.
>>151911170
And also it still deals with game making. How long has it been since the main story has focused on any member of the circle and their game? Last volume was only about Megumi and Tomoya's romance and completely ignored Izumi, Michiru and Iori.
They should make a KM anime adaptation instead of Saekano season 2.
>>151911170
KM's conflict isn't as good as the main story's, which is why it lacks the punch the main story has. The main story has much more memorable scenes and stronger characters.
>>151911170
Japan hardly cares about the spin-off.
I never thought you faggots would stoop so low and use Mayu in your shitflinging.
Enjoy yourselves while you can.
>>151910031
I disagree. Saekano would be boring without drama. Conflict is best used to build character and that has worked well for Eriri (towards Tomoya) and Megumi (towards Eriri). KM has some drama too, mostly from Utaha's internalized problems. And Eriri hasn't ruined anything for anyone. Don't troll just because OP said Mayu is better than Megumi.
Saekano fanbase is the worst fanbase.
Kill everyone in this thread.jpg
>>151911377
The main story the lowest lows of the franchise. KM is more consistent and therefore more enjoyable.
>>151911598
>Implying I'm a Megumifag
>>151911889
The lowest lows are Volumes 9 and 10. Everything other than those are around the same level of quality. It's really not that big a deal.
>>151911485
From 1 to Ana senpai how high is Mayu's slut index?
>>151912065
Vols 1, 3 and 4 are just as bad.
>>151911889
This, KM adheres to its themes and the heroines make a lot more sense than the ones from the main story.
Utaha and Mayu are much more interesting than Megumi and Eriri.
>>151911889
Utahafag's biased delusion.
>>151912065
>>151912283
Source: personal opinion or sales?
>>151912214
1. She's pure.
>>151912283
Oh hell no, they're pretty good, or at least the anime version of them were. Volume 9 is barely passable, but Volume 10 is outright irredeemable.
>>151911889
>No Eriri
KM is the lowest.
>>151912065
Volume 9 is the comeback volume for Tomoya's circle and the start of Tomoya's scenarios. How wasn't that volume fun and interesting?
>>151910953
>implying you're not a megumi false flagger
>>151912484
Utaha and Mayu lack interesting conflict between each other, and neither of them have chemistry with Tomoya as good as Megumi's.
>>151912667
He's probably hating cause it's the subconscious love confession to Eriri volume.
>>151912496
>>151912551
You should actually read KM. It's pretty fun and sexy and lacks all the shortcomings of the main series.
>>151912667
>long, boring scenario writing sections that just repeat what was already written in previous volumes
>no meaningful development for the circle members, in fact taking back Megumi and Tomoya's first name basis for no good reason
>forcing Utaha into it
>>151912798
You sound like you're trying too hard to make it sound bad when it's just a simple fun volume that's supposed to be a breather from the past drama-filled arc.
All of the main cast got their share of the spotlight in one way or another.
>>151912214
Gangbang level.
She likes all the dicks, ALL THE DICKS.
>>151912985
>breather
>Megumi is gloomier than ever
>Eriri is getting uneasy about not making up with Megumi
>Izumi is in a slump
Really shouldn't be one.
>>151912667
Too much recap of things we already know. Same with volume 10, repetition ruined those volumes.
>>151913169
Worst of all, they handwaved Izumi's slump with a side volume (GS2) and didn't really resolve anything of Megumi and Eriri. With how little we saw them interact, one can barely believe they were friends at all.
>>151913169
There's a time and place for everything. Megumi and Eriri deal with the drama between them in private. Compartmentalizing is key when you're with other people. Bur showing that there's something going on where other characters can tell despite the facade is added humor.
>>151913437
>Too much recap
Like what? Break it down by chapters.
So I picked this up to see what's the fuzz about and
>Tomoya is much more likeable than in the main series
>best girl Utaha gets her deserved spotlight and isn't dragged down by the MC being a faggot like in the main series
>no annoying characters like in the main series
>fun sidekick that contributes advance the story
>smooth, cute artstyle that's also fappable
I'm liking this more than the main series so far.
>>151913515
>"resolve" their conflict
>we barely see Megumi and Eriri interact as friends
>Megumi getting together with Tomoya is going to bring their friendship crashing down right after
The anime better add in original scenes to make their friendship believable.
>>151913603
>Tomoya is much more likeable than in the main series
This.
I still think the LN is better for other reasons, but Tomoya's more entertaining in the side manga.
>>151913588
But the other characters have no meaningful development. Izumi and Michiru are literal joke characters, and the problem is that they didn't need to wind up like that. Instead of the awful retreading with Eriri and Utaha, other heroines could have been fleshed out.
>>151913603
And the characters actually progress. In the main story they start and lose their circle while in KM they start editing the novels and move to making anime.
Its a lot more inspirational and more coherent than the mess the current series is stuck in. Also the author seems to actually enjoy writing KM.
>>151913588
>Defends Megumi and Eriri as heroines
>Posts picture of Megumi acting like a bitch
This wouldn't happen if Mayu was the main heroine!
>>151913898
Yeah, it's like the author only keeps writing Saekano for the shekels and writes what he wants to write in Koisuru Metronome.
>>151913898
The circle dissolving is part of the character progression. Gamemaking was never really a big component of the main story, the meat was always Tomoya and Megumi's romance, which is adequately developed. Japan actually hated the scenario writing parts.
>>151913867
Except Izumi and Michiru are sub-heroines and they received development that's proper.
>awful retreading with Eriri and Utaha
So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.
>>151914033
Not even going to dignify that with a proper response.
>>151914095
V9 and V10 were lazily written, but you can tell he put effort into V11.
>>151914124
>the meat was always Tomoya and Megumi's romance
So important that Maruto was ready to conclude the series by volume 6.
>>151914185
>Not even going to dignify that with a proper response.
Says the faggot that doesn't have a proper response.
>>151914185
What proper development do Izumi and Michiru get?
>So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.
No, it's because their parts in V9 and V10 were redundant. Maruto literally copy and pasted dialogue from previous volumes.
>>151914211
Blame the editor, Maruto wanted to end the series in volume 6 but they forced him to keep going so they would sell more in season 2.
>>151914238
>V7 was written before the anime came out
>already hinted at a Part 2 in the afterword
>>151914185
>So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.
Which happened because they're awful heroines. If they had more entertaining traits than being a boring quip machine and a bitchy illustrator it would actually be interesting.
>>151914315
More like Aniplex picked the series up and started shilling it hard with the anime announcement and selling merchandise before it even aired, forcing him to continue.
>>151914124
>Reading an anime about game making
>Hating the concept and devolving into shipping wars
Saekano really is cancer.
>>151914033
Megumi's meaner side is part of why Tomoya likes her.
>>151912678
Mayu has a lot more in common with Tomoya and both are moe otakufags. She does everything Megumi does but better.
Also she's a lot more fappable.
>>151914474
He's bullshitting. Shipping wars in this series were always pretty tame in comparison to other harem LNs or even Maruto's past works as romance wasn't a central theme of the series until recently.
>>151914306
>What proper development do Izumi and Michiru get?
This. They were entertaining characters with lots of potential and what did they get? They even lost their chapters while the author made us read a recap of Utaha and Eriri which aren't even in the circle anymore.
What gives?
>>151914306
Chapter 2 and 3 of vol.9. The better question is what aren't you satisfied with? Izumi gets reassured, play game for research for ideas, and enjoys being a kohai. Michiru plays to research the music she'll make and discuss matters regarding the circle and give Tomoya some advice. Remember, they're not main heroines, so you can't expect flags that could lead to Tomoya picking their routes.
>redundant
Explain it.
>>151914733
If being an otaku was a major factor than Eriri would have won the LNs. It's because Megumi is quite different from Tomoya that she won. Mayu isn't even similar to Megumi, she lacks the snark and flatness in her voice.
>more fappable
Even if we disagree on everything else, can we all just agree that Utaha is worst girl?
>>151914975
>Implying promotional art is even closer to the real sizes
>Implying being flat is a good thing
Kill yourself.
>>151912065
Lies and slander. Volume 9 was wonderful. Seeing Tomoya write the heroine based on Eriri without missteps and the realization of being in love with Eriri came together nicely.
>>151914959
Izumi and Michiru haven't changed at all as character. They don't need to raise flags to get development, Michiru developed in V4 and raised no flags.
It's redundant because it's a literal copy paste from previous volumes. The audience isn't dumb, they don't need to be spelled out what happened in previous volumes. We already knew how Tomoya felt in V3, we didn't need it repeated again. The only thing new were sex scenes, but we already knew he felt lust at occasion, it wasn't needed, and we didn't even get illustrations of them so they were totally pointless.
>>151915041
She's the best. I don't see other girls getting their own original spin-offs where the author's writing isn't restricted to editor and fanbase's whims, shinning a lot more than in the contrived main story, and thus is objectively best girl.
>>151914959
They become a central part of the circle when Utaha and Eriri leave. Volume 8 promises a new beginning with exciting new developments and then backtracks to more Eriri and Utaha.
Eriri and Utaha should have disappeared for good so that the new circle could get proper development. Keeping them around ruined the series.
>>151915110
There are other sexy images that are more accurate.
>>151915194
>Gets her own spin off
>Another girl beats her in her own route
There's no god in this world.
>>151915240
Mayu doesn't even like Tomoya.
>>151915194
So it's non canon and irrelevant.
>>151915148
>realization of being in love with Eriri
Never happened. He realized he was out of love with her, he explains it to Megumi in V11. The Eriri route was a what-if scenario, but thanks to how she screwed things up, he realized he couldn't love her anymore.
>>151915218
I want Megumi to bear my normie children.
>>151915323
It's its own story with superior characters and superior storytelling. It'd be even better if the manga didn't have Saekano attached to the title at all.
>>151915412
This, this is the anime we deserve. Not that boring Saekano:flat.
>>151915355
Tomoya was in love with her at the time and he didn't deny it.
>>151915485
He denied it being a love letter. If he really did still love her, he wouldn't have gotten together with Megumi as easily as he did in V11.
>>151915218
Mayu is cuter and more interesting than Megumi.
>>151914478
We already know Tomoya's taste sucks.
>>151915179
Ignore the flags then. You don't need to change overnight to have development that's added to a character. They spent intimate time with the MC and was fleshed out while doing things that's relevant to the plot. That's basic development. You want more than that, but what exactly?
>literal copy paste
You haven't explained how and why.
>>151915208
You obviously are blinded by hate, so you're just saying whatever. Don't expect a proper response from me.
>>151915594
In a too shy to admit it way. But other characters pointed out the obvious, deep down Tomoya realized that.
Volume 11 is the future and feelings can change.
>>151915412
>>151915483
I'd pay for an Utaha anime. Delicious pantyhouse and oppai fanservice everywhere is enough to fund it. Not tsundereshit to be found is the cherry on the cake.
>>151915598
What did Izumi playing games with Tomoya flesh out about her character? What did Michiru doing her usual fooling around with Tomoya flesh out about her character? I want them to progress as characters, but they don't even have conflict. Izumi's slump was literally handwaved away by someone outside the circle.
>You haven't explained how and why.
He literally copy pasted dialogue. The scene composition was already done for him, it was blatantly effortless.
>>151907803
Eriri is still better though.
>>151915598
As if anyone wanted your shitty responses, you say that because you have no argument so fuck off, faggot.
>>151915148
Megumifags are hating because of this as usual.
>>151915796
Funny joke.
>>151915706
Tomoya said this scene was the diverging point between the Eriri and Meguri routes. He's not going to realize his love for another heroine as late as V9.
>>151915796
Eriri is a goddess.
>>151907803
I want to lick Mayu's feet and pour my seed all over them.
>>151915926
Megumi also said that she doesn't like how a protagonist changes his love for another girl depending on his mood. Saekano is very meta so he may end up going for Eriri as a twist.
>>151915858
I like Eriri but that volume was plain bad. Maruto could've done better.
>>151915752
>Delicious pantyhouse and oppai fanservice everywhere
This guy gets it.
>>151914975
Eriri was going to win but she went full retard on volume 7. That's the only reason she lost.
>>151916042
That's a VN protagonist. Tomoya is a LN protagonist, big difference.
>>151915796
Mayu >>>> Utaha > Megumi > Michiru > Izumi > Iori >>>>> Eriri
>>151916232
Eriri>Eriri's shit>Izumi>Utaha>Utahas shit>Michiru>Michuru's Shit>>>>>>>Megumi's shit>>>>>>>>Megumi
FTFY
>>151915778
Playing games was for research. We know from previous volumes that Izumi took up a all gung-ho to destroy Eriri as a rival attitude, largely due to resentment for what she thought Eriri did to Tomoya. In the same volume, Izumi saw Eriri's improved monster skills for the first time in the epilogue. Volume 9 showed how she's reacting to Eriri's new skills and is freaking and stressing out. But Tomoya reassured her to calm her down and give her confidence. Beyond that, Izumi playing out a kouhaki character to a tee happened for the time time Cue Tomoya's fantasizing about to Megumi.
Michiru became serious instead of fooling around when they were discussing matters pertaining to the circle. We see her thoughts and reaction for the first time about Izumi, Eriri, and Utaha. She gave opinions/advice to Tomoya. That's not a side we see often from her.
If you want them to progress as characters, then you should be complaining about them in every volume they don't receive that kind of development that you want. Maruto has kept their development consistent so far, but you want some real changes, but that isn't going to happen for sub-heroines like them. Izumi has a rivalry with Eriri and that's the most conflict you'll get.
>literally copy pasted dialogue
Still not following.
>>151916232
>>151916380
Eriri > Mayu > Utaha > Megumi > Izumi > Michiru
I'm glad more people are realizing that the side story is better. I've been saying this for two years.
>>151916232
>a shitposter
>>>151916380
>this falseflagger
>>151916484
Mayu is good, but Utaha isn't.
>>151916409
Except Tomoya did nothing for Izumi. Mayu was the one who solved her problems, she was still uneasy in GS2.
Michiru was already doing that in previous volumes like V8. Being a side heroine is no excuse, Eriri and Utaha are side heroines too.
>Still not following
It's obvious you haven't even read the novels then.
>>151916484
>accepting this when it's clear as day that shitposters are only saying so for the purpose of trolling and baiting
>>151916542
I'll fight you. Both are great.
>>151916639
They're not totally off if true.
>>151916584
>Tomoya did nothing for Izumi.
Spoilers say otherwise. You ignored all that just to say this. Really now?
>Mayu
She's not relevant to the argument. What are you doing?
>Michiru was already doing that in previous volumes like V8
In similar but different ways, yes. But it's the first time we've seen her give pretty hard opinions about Eriri for that matter. So Maruto is consistent with her development. Why are you complaining again or only complaining about volume 9 here then?
>haven't even read the novels then.
Likewise. You refuse to give any explanation and argument.
Megumifags btfo.
>>151916484
Preach the truth brother! KM is the best thing that could have happened to the franchise.
>>151916710
He's just baiting. Its clear KM is the superior work and both Utaha and Mayu are much better heroines than Megumi and Eriri could ever hope to be.
>>151916911
Point where the spoilers say otherwise. Mayu is relevant in that she's the one who drives what little development Izumi has, and she's not even part of the circle.
Michiru commented on how Eriri was only in the circle for Tomoya's dick back in V4. This is nothing new.
>Likewise
Can you read Japanese? Because if you can, I'll show parts where Maruto just literally copy pasted dialogue from past Saekano work.
>>151917146
Egoistic Lily was ended before all the others and doesn't even give conclusion to Tomoya and Eriri's relationship. That's just how shit Eriri is.
>>151917118
>>Can you read Japanese? Because if you can, I'll show parts where Maruto just literally copy pasted dialogue from past Saekano work.
I don't think that's even necessary. Just post the pages from both novels and he will be able to see the same moonrunes.
>>151916944
>btfo
>when Megumifags have V11
>>151917257
>nothing conclusive
>Megumi was acting throughout
It is time to stop,.
>>151916232
Mayu = Utaha > Megumi > Michiru > Izumi > Iori >>>>> Eriri
Main series
>Fun snarky heroine
>Interesting romantic development
KM
>Delicious oppai and pantyhose fanservice
>Fun and cheerful sidekick
>The MC is less of a fag and actually gets things done
I like both but KM is better IMO
>>151916639
You know, I like this trolling tactic. At least they're using material from the franchise to fuel their bait instead of just namecalling one another like toddlers as we normally see in these threads.
>>151917118
>It ends with her reassuring Tomoya that she’s fine and that she actually has a lot of rough sketches done, it’s just that ideas keep coming and she can’t finish.
> Tomoya looks around a bit and comes up with the idea to organize the drawings sprawled across her room in chronological order. Right as he finishes, he realizes that as time went on, Izumi’s style got closer and closer to Eriri’s. Iori remarks that as a producer, he was fine with this since it would definitely sell, but he questions if it’s what Tomoya wants for his circle.
There' also the matter with Izumi losing her style and that's something Iori is worried about and told Tomoya. But it's fine for now that Izumi focus on moe drawings to balance the serious scenario Tomoya wrote.
>Mayu is relevant
Relevant in discussing volume 9 or even volume 8? Explain it then.
>Michiru commented on how Eriri was only in the circle for Tomoya's dick back in V4.
Except we are talking about volume 9. Michiru felt betrayed and said Tomoya shouldn't be involved with Eriri anymore. When as she done that before?
>Can you read Japanese
No. And don't sell me that you can moonrunes. Not going to trust a random anon claiming he can around here.
>>151917234
That works. Maruto copied from the anime script for V3, not V3 itself though.
>>151917784
And this is the Japanese script from episode 9. They're practically identical.
>>151917198
Rude taste. EL did have a conclusion that readers should be able to form using common sense. It's a definite Eriri end no matter how you look at it.
Maruto did a remastered revision of EL in the main story in the form of one of the routes for the second game Tomoya created. It's better and longer with H-scene included.
>>151917198
I think Egoistic Lily is actually canon. Nothing really contradicts the main story, in the LNs they canonically go on a date to amusement park.
>>151917619
>>151917887
Eririshitters blaming the series for their unpopular shitty waifu.
>>151917629
So Tomoya doesn't actually do anything for her. You're just reinforcing my point. Mayu is the one that clears up her doubts.
You were the one that said Michiru didn't give hard opinions about Eriri before. What she does in V9 is just being consistent with her characterization in previous volumes.
What do you want me to do to prove I can read Japanese, translate something? I've already posted Japanese pages.
>>151918017
Why are you shitposting at me with non-sequitur nonsense?
>>151917887
You can't actually say that because it doesn't reach V6, when Tomoya is locked into either Eriri's route or Megumi's route. Everything that happened in EL happened in the main story too, in other words it's a completely pointless spin-off.
>>151917904
So in other words it shouldn't have even existed.
>>151917310
>nothing conclusive
>he all but states that he's going to have sex with Megumi on her birthday
>>151918017
Eriri is good though. Not being widely popular enough just shows that the majority tends to have bad taste as usual.
This thread is about Koisuru Metronome. Take your discussion about inferior material elsewhere.
>>151918032
Are you trolling me? Tomoya literally did something (as quoted and commented) there but you're just going to dismiss it for no good reason?
Again, how is Mayu relevant to volume 8 and 9?
>You were the one that said Michiru didn't give hard opinions about Eriri before
I never said this. In fact, one of my points earlier was that we often don't see her be serious. A hard opinion like that more so.
Don't even try. I'll take everything with a grain of salt from you.
So do you guys think Kurehito's early art for the series is better or his current style?
>>151918032
Ignore him, he's just a shitty troll that doesn't even understand the series and doesn't care about trying to learn.
>>151918458
>Utaha's godly thighs
Yes, we won.
>>151918332
Let's discuss about how cute Mayu is. She's the cutest.
>>151918461
At least in Megumi's case it looked a lot better before the anime. She looks a lot more bland now.
>>151918417
No he didn't. In your quote, Izumi was reassuring Tomoya. The part where he rearranged her drawings was in a separate scene without her. The fact that Mayu was the one that solved her issues shows how much of a waste of time V9 was with how Izumi's problems weren't even fixed in the main series.
>>I never said this.
>>But it's the first time we've seen her give pretty hard opinions about Eriri for that matter.
I've literally posted pages showing copy pasted dialogue. It's a waste of time talking with you when you haven't read the novels and deny the people who have.
>>151918461
I miss Kurehito's old artstyle. Current one isn't as good.
>>151918579
She's the cutest, also the beret looks a lot better in her than in Megumi. Mayu's choice of clothes is top notch.
>>151918461
Just compare.
>>151918622
Mayu > Izumi
>>151918694
It's close, but Megumi wins in fashion sense. Nothing beats the transparent dress.
>>151907803
Wait I just started reading the Utaha spin off. Are you telling me its just more harem bullshit? What the fuck
>>151918882
Its just because Mayu hasn't received enough love. Megumi is taken as the main heroine and has had 11 volumes and the manga to develop and get art about her.
If Mayu is this popular already without them, imagine how good she would be if she actually was incorporated in the main storyline and got the main heroine role.
>>151918973
Its a lot better than the main storyline and there's a lot less harem bullshit. But Utaha is still beaten by Mayu.
>>151918973
No. There's no shitty haremettes in this, only a sidekick that fully supports Utaha x Tomoya.
>>151918983
Mayu just needs an anime adaptation.
>>151919058
Koisuru Metronome is the adaptation we need. Make it happen A-1!
>>151919030
>>151919051
>But Utaha is still beaten by Mayu
>only a sidekick that fully supports Utaha x Tomoya
Well which is it?
>>151919172
Utaha will lose, just accept it anon.
>>151918622
Izumi was ranting and raving, she was losing it, but eventually calmed down. She vented to Tomoya and it had to be him, the person she likes and wants to protect from Eriri or else she would still be bothered.
Tomoya figured out the problem. With Utaha's advice, he wrote Eriri's route and that should give Izumi inspiration to go beyond, and in the end it did with a bit of motivation from her brother.
>The fact that Mayu was the one that solved her issues
Where? In GS2? I'll believe it when I see it, but that doesn't mean the development in volume 9 didn't serve a purpose. You're making light it to satisfy your thoughts of the volume being low in your opinion.
GS2 being used to give additional development or conclusions doesn't demean the main story, you know. It's obvious the author can't fit everything for whatever reason, so he uses GS to do what he can't do in the main story.
I should rephrase. It's true that she hasn't given such hard opinion about Eriri like that before. Or gave her thoughts about Eriri and Utaha departure. Even though consistent, Michiru acting serious and giving such advice/opinion doesn't happen often. It's consistent, but the thoughts she gave is new, so your complaint is pretty groundless unless you do the same for all volumes where she received the same development, which doesn't satisfy you cause you want something more.
I see moonrunes and nothing else.
Literal goddess.
>>151919289
>I see moonrunes and nothing else.
>Can't read moon.
>Still tries to defend this shitty series.
Kill yourself anon
>>151919228
I'm just gonna drop it if thats even a fucking possibilty. I was reading it for comfy Utaha romance, not more fucking competition for this dumb faggot from new sluts. I'm actually mad, considering I how excited I was when I learned there was an Utaha """"route""""
>>151919535
V10 spoils how Koisuru Metronome ends. Tomoya and Utaha get together, but then he leaves her to focus on becoming an author. The only mystery is how Mayu will play into this.
>>151919462
>this shitty series.
Why are you here?
>>151919616
>but then he leaves her
You're just making me more upset anon
>>151919663
To praise the superior series that removes the shitstains polluting the original and polishes the only good thing about it.
>>151919663
To praise Utaha senpai. So fuck off, faggot.
>>151919762
So you are the OP shitposter.
>>151919800
Utaha is the most pathetic heroine of the series.
>>151919805
Nope. I agree with him, though.
>>151919762
>>151919800
Are Utahafags the new cancer?
>>151919937
>new
>>151919906
She looks so much better without her headband.
>>151919897
>Utaha is the best heroine of the series.
FTFY
>>151919897
That's Eriri.
>>151919937
Sorry if our superior taste threatens you.
>>151920001
She looks much better without her clothes.
>>151920046
This, but she needs to leave her pantyhouse on.
>>151920031
Nah, Eriri at least has some pride left. Utaha is now no better than a creepy stalker.
>>151920031
Mayu > Utaha
And that's a fact.
>>151920142
>caring about the shitty main series when there's a superior spin off that doesn't have shit writing
>>151919937
At this rate, they will be.
>>151920112
Pantyhose and that sexy body makes perfection. She is truly a goddess.
>>151920417
nice trip
>>151920334
KM really is not as memorable as the main series.
>>151920144
I want to take Mayu's virginity and leave my sloppy seed dripping from her cute pussy.
>>151920417
You know what, Lelouch, I think it's probably Mayufags trying to hype up KM and its greatness because of Mayu. But they use Utaha to shield them from backlash.
>>151920583
>KM has better characters
>No shitty twintail tsundere to ruin things for everyone
>Better plot and pacing
>Goddess Utaha is the main girl
KM is better than the main series.
>>151920625
Where are the Mayu doujins?
>>151920700
>no character to bring good conflict
>no Megumi
>>151921080
You're supposed to prove him wrong.
>>151921080
>Implying those are bad things
Utaha got a good conflict going and Tomoya still has a challenge in producing. Its a good series without resorting to cheap drama.
>>151920700
>No Eriri
>No real drama/conflict
>Better
Nope.
>>151920700
Can you stop falseflagging already? Utahafags don't need the heat. Thanks.
>>151921166
It doesn't feel right to see Tomoya without Megumi. He really does need a foil.
>>151921379
Fuck off Eririfag, go worship your shitty waifu and leave the grownups to discuss the superior work.
>>151920355
>>151919937
You're in a thread for the Utaha spin off, what the fuck did you really expect?
>>151921310
>Implying those are bad things
Utaha got a good conflict going and Tomoya still has a challenge in producing. Its a good series without resorting to cheap drama.
I'm a Megumifag and even I accept that Utaha's manga is far superior to the novels.
>>151921879
How can anyone say this after Volume 11?
>>151922135
Because Tomoya never stops being a shit in the novels while he's pretty based in the manga.
>>151920700
>>151921519
Same Megumi falseflagger.
>>151922572
But he isn't even bad in V11.
>>151922773
>anyone who says truths that hurt me is a Megumifag falseflagging
Blow your brains out tsunderetard.
The prettiest
Obvious shitposting aside, it is true that KM does a lot of things better than Saekano.
There are some glaring flaws in the LN, like the poorly developed friendship between Megumi and Eriri, the subpar prose or the terribad pacing. The manga medium suits Maruto better than LNs and the almost exclusive focus on a trio of characters, two of which already existed in the original series, allows him avoid the mistakes he made in the main series. As result we see a more cohesive and compelling storytelling.
>>151923571
THK is a Megumifag, but he has been using Utaha lately to falseflag. I honestly liked him better when he was being genuine.
>>151924088
>poorly developed friendship between Megumi and Eriri.
Read GS.
>subpar prose
How would you know? You're reading translations or summaries.
>terribad pacing
GS fixes all of that.
>>151924129
THK was largely absent from these threads until the last month or so.
>>151924088
But the anime version of Saekano is best. It's purely dialogue, which Maruto is best at, and you don't need to read the subpar prose. There's also potential for anime original scenes for developing Eriri and Megumi's friendship. The anime wasn't even faithful to the source anyway and had lots of little original details that made the final source better.
>>151924255
Megumi doesn't even appear in GS. One of the most common complaints about the LN from novel readers is how bad Maruto is at writing it. It reads like a VN and you can get easily lost wondering who's saying what in a lot of dialogues. Obviously in a manga this flaw is gone.
GS2 still hasn't fixed how their relationship came to be like that. They barely spend time together in the novels to make their BFF relationship believable.
>>151924297
A bit more than a month, I'd say. I guess he's preparing for S2. Lord knows we need more shitposting and forced fanbase warmongering.
>>151924531
GS was a complete waste of space. It should've focused on Megumi and Eriri, instead we got a story that didn't need to be told. I hate the Akane focus we've been getting lately too.
>boogeymen
>spinoff wars
>falseflagging
Never change saekanofags
>>151924531
That was meant for GS' series, not only the first GS. The whole point of GS is to improve where there's fault in the main story.
>how their relationship came to be like that.
We know that they bonded and became friends during the course of Eriri's study of Megumi in order to draw her. Best hope is to hope the author will include this in one of the GS volumes.
>>151925187
I don't think he'll do that. It's more likely he'll make anime original scenes for Eriri and Megumi considering how he already spoiled that there'll be an anime original beach episode.
How can a extreme minority have so much destructive power?
>>151907803
Mayu is a cute, skilled, less annoying female version of Tomoya. I'm not sure if she'll get Tomoya, but it's win or lose for Utaha either way. Utaha is too proud for pity.
KM is a nice detour: the characters are enjoyable, seeing the characters advance in the industry is cool, problems are met and resolved as they go along instead of bogging down the story (the main series' drama would not suit a spinoff like this anyway), and if there's a love triangle it's been low key. And best of all: Utaha service.
>>151926617
Mayu's fanbase size is unknown, we don't know how much of a minority they are. For all we know, it's really is just a few falseflaggers as anons have said.
>>151927005
That's too ridiculous even for me to chew down. THK might do something like that, but the other shitposters are doing it by their own terms.
Is there a sweeter love story?
>>151927878
Woah, who replaced the plain girl with this beauty?
>>151929064
She was always beautiful.
Closer look at Megumi's transparent dress.
>>151926774
>>151920680
As one of the 2~3 Mayufags who often posts about her in these threads, I find this to be an obvious falseflagging attempt, probably by the same falseflagger who made the threads that got deleted two days ago. He will never get a reaction from me though because Megumi is my other favorite girl and I like the other characters as well and the franchise overall. Let the bait die out and don't feed it any further.
>>151932421
That ponytail seems too long.
>>151918132
Implying Megumi wants to.
>>151932931
Her breast size is also inconsistent. It's no big deal.
>>151932955
Read the epilogue.
>http://raw.senmanga.com/Saenai-Heroine-no-Sodatekata-Koisuru-Metronome/37/1