Dragon Ball Thread

Is Fat Buu stronger than Mr. Buu?

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Kid Buu was always stronger than Super Buu

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>>151906591

>>151906591
Pre-split Fat Buu is stronger than post-split Fat Buu, yes.

Making the characters continually stronger was a mistake.

Making the series about screaming, powering up, and shooting giant energy blasts instead of martial arts was a mistake.

>>151906591
Yes.

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The manga is shit and ruined the best thing about DBS

Was Gohan SS2 against Dabura?

>>151906635
Take your (You) then make like a tree and get outta here

>>151906678
even though I agree, fuck off.

Is Gohan the strongest non-fused fighter in DBZ?

>>151906693
But it's true. The manga confirms it. The anime confirms it. Even Dragon Ball Super confirms it.

Think of a way to give Buu a powerup without killing innocent.

Can't just ask him to absorb the new villain as Goku and Vegeta wouldn't accept that given that they won't be able to fight said villain then.

How strong do you think Spopovich was when he molested Videl? PL wise. Just pull random numbers out of your ass that sound right I don't give a fuck.

>>151906635
Kid Buu is able to be killed by Super Saiyan Goku. I know it was with the Spirit Bomb, but Frieza and Vegeta got hit by a Spirit Bomb from a Goku that was weaker than them and they both walked it off.

You can't tell me that Super Buu with Gohan absorbed is weaker than Kid Buu because it makes no sense. Kid Buu absorbs the Kais in the first place, so why would he do it if it made him weaker?

Will Shenron ever get a girlfriend?

>>151906725
>literally telling lies on the Internet

>>151906777
Trips confirm.

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>>151906678
I'm a bit bitter towards that. But let's not cry over spilled milk

We already exhausted all kinds of debates regarding this. I doubt anyone will change their minds at this point.

>>151906740
>but Frieza and Vegeta got hit by a Spirit Bomb from a Goku that was weaker than them and they both walked it off.
Super Spirit Bomb is not the same as the weak shit Vegeta was hit with. The one Freeza was hit with was also weaker since it relied on plant life.

>>151906740
It doesn't matter what form you take for the spirit bomb you fool.

The power for it comes from the earth and creatures.

Vs Frieza it was from planet Namek which is bigger than earth.
Vs Vegeta is was from just earth (the planet and nature)
Vs Buu it was all the living beings on earth.

>>151906678
Stop trying to start shit you waste of fucking oxygen. You're turning Black into the fucking /b/anana.

>>151906820
Finally some sense.

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Does Boo job ladies in bed?

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>>151906678
>>151906709

The manga is clearly superior to the anime for anyone with healthy brain cells.

Toeifaggots are literal scum.

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>>151906820
>We already exhausted all kinds of debates regarding this. I doubt anyone will change their minds at this point.
What? People actually think manga Black is better than anime Black? I'm a mangafag and even I was triggered by Black's portrayal in the manga.

>>151906820
>I doubt anyone will change their minds at this point.

Yes, there are complete retards in this general who directly ignore facts posted by pro-manga posters.

The fact that they aren't constantly ridiculed for this can only mean that this thread is filled to the brim with these subhumans.

>>151906863
>>151906882
Just shut the fuck up! Nobody gives a good goddamn! You're going to cancer up yet another thread with your autistic fucking nonsense

>>151906678

Look >>151906863 See what you did?

>>151906882

>muh generic smug 24/7 anime villain

into the garbage it goes, manga Black already has more character depth than any of the Zamasus in the anime

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Here we go.
>Autistic thread incoming thanks to mangafags and animecunts.

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Just posting some facts to open the salt mines

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>>151907028
Updated, fellow Toyobro.

>Blackfags are STILL butthurt that thier favorite character lost a fight
Jesus

>>151907060

thanks based toyobro

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Reposting from >>151891601

>there's a timeline where Cell never showed up
>after killing the androids, Goku and friends went on to live a normal life
>Krillin never got married and Marron doesn't exist
>Gohan never transformed into a SSJ2
>Goku didn't die
>Piccolo didn't fuse with Kami
>Dende didn't replace Kami
>Shenron wasn't updated to grant three wishes
>the Cell fetus in Dr Gero's basement was not killed due to the Z warriors not knowing about Cell
>thus, Cell kept on developing
>meanwhile Goku and Vegeta trained on their own and likely achieved SSJ2
>years pass and we get around the age of the Buu saga
>Babidi shows up
>Buu is awoken
>at the same time Imperfect Cell shows up
>one of the two absorbs the other

With all the what-ifs that exist, why has this never been made?

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Post your DB reactions.

Can we just fucking ONCE have a thread that doesn't devolve into this stupid shit?

You fucking mangafags have become worse than the Toeicunts. You allow yourselves to get baited with obvious troll bullshit like "hehe Toiegods BTFO of Toyocucks yet again xD" and then sperg the fuck out and start throwing around insults. You're actually getting legitimately angry and trying to seriously debate and it's fucking pathetic.

And you fucking Toeifags are autistic too. It seems your sole purpose in life is to come into threads and start baiting the fucking retard mangafags. The fact that they're too fucking stupid to ignore your bait is on them, but you're the ones who put it out there in the first place.

I fucking hate you both equally. I just want a goddamn thread where we can talk about Dragon Ball. Yeah we're stuck in filler hell, but you know what's better than "MUH MANGA!" "MUH ANIME!"?

Fucking anything. What-if scenarios. Who could beat who. Posting fucking manga scans is better for fuck's sake.

Just stop this fucking shit. PLEASE. You selfish, miserable fucking pieces of cancer.

>>151907176
>t. copypasta

>Don't go to DB threads for a a few weeks.
>People are still having the same fucking discussion as when I left.
Some things never change do they?

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Reminder that insufferable Panfags like this are from the cult of Salagir and basically fap to the idea of another female mary-sue character

>>151907176
I have Super Gogeta, Super Vegito, and SSJ3 Gotenks in Dokkan Battle and I'm F2P

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>>151907086

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>>151907147

>>151907209
Not a copypasta, although I'm sure it will become one now that I've posted it.

>>151907226
Is Dokkan Battle worth my time?

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Bra is too fucking 11/10.

>>151907254
hell no

>>151907292

11/10 mary sue you mean, Salagir

>>151907215
The filler season is still going strong, anon. Come back in a month and we may have other discussions.

>>151907254
fucking no

>>151907292
Hi Salagir, how are you doing today

Dragon Ball was a mistake

>>151907220
Pan from Multiverse is Kid Goku the Second Coming. How would that make for a "female mary-sue character"?

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>>151907292
This. Bra is fucking waifu.

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>>151907147

>>151907374
Bra is a total slut who hits on grown men when she's ten years old because Vegeta and Bulma are a bad influence.

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>the superior vegeta vs. black fight will never be animated because Toei are greedy cockmongling Jews who couldn't want for the manga to be established first

>>151907104
>at the same time Imperfect Cell shows up
Huh, no? Future Cell appears at AGE 788, Buu (in the main timeline) at AGE 774. In that timeline Buu could appear and destroyed the Earth years before Cell arrive.

>>151907466
Apparently the anime is going to be following Toyotaro's storyboards for the next arc.

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>Toriyama sees the bullsit Toei has pulled on Vegeta in fucking him over constantly
>makes Toyotaro actually give him respect as a character
>flavor of the month Blackfags are angry because their idol lost

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>reposting accurate timelines to wonder about more what-if scenarios

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Would love to see Toyotaro do something similar to pic related would be cool.

>>151906679
Yes, You can see that by comparing his hair as a ssj and his as a ssj2
>>151906722
Yes, if we count buus absorption forms as fusion forms

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>>151907458

>>151907868

>saving cuckold porn on your computer

hahahaha

>>151907060
The degradation of Goku is probably what I hate the most.

>>151907751
but dabura got oneshotted by a trunks that tranformed into a ssj2 for the first time.
if gohan was ssj2 at the time how fucking weak was he ?

Who would win between God Zamasu and Buuhan or Super Buu

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>Gohan
>S22 against Dabura

No. There's no discussion about it. In the original manga different SS forms have clearly different auras.

base/SS/other species - flame aura
SS "grade 2" - hard spiky aura
SS2 - spiky aura with sparks
SS "grade 3" - aura itself is a giant spark
SS3 - spikier spherical aura with sparks

If you think Gohan was SS2, you are wrong.

>>151908015
>If you think Gohan logically using his strongest form to defeat someone stronger than Cell and prevent the creation of Boo, you're wrong

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>no sparks
>regular flaming aura

No SS2

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>>151908015
>>151908111
his ssj has two bangs.
his ssj2 has one bang.
he was ssj2

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>>151908179
THIS
in ssj his hair bang is much thicker and has another little one on the side

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>>151908094
>implying Gohan has ever been able to go SS2 at will without being angry

>also ignoring Gohan itself thinks about how he can't use his true power to stop Buu resurrection as Goku said

Sorry dude, no SS2.


>>151908179
>using hair as source
>with a half saiyan, who hair actually doesn't look the same all time
>ignoring auras, a clear source applicable to all saiyans

>>151906658
Goku was the coolest when he was the strongest dude in the world but only had a power level of like 300.

>>151906941
>Toyofags grasping for this many straws

He's a Zamasu clone in the manga

>>151908331
>reaching this hard
because gohan had a haircut before he fought dabura?
hair is the sole indicator. thats the gimick of ssj levels. His hair against dabura is much sharper and more detailed then his regular ssj.

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I wanna see what Toyobros have to say about Kanzenshuu-san?

Proof that the DBS Manga is promotional material for the DBS Anime:

> 1- It's published in V-Jump

V-Jump is a monthly publication, and is Shueisha's multimedia-focused magazine (primarily for video game coverage, but also to help promote their various properties). It's not where their properties LIVE, it's where their properties get PROMOTED. V-Jump has decent circulation, but it's not a primary location that Shueisha publishes manga within. The big one is, obviously enough, Weekly Shonen Jump; that's where Dragon Ball was originally serialized, and it's where all the actual heavy-hitters go. If you're big-time, you're not in V-Jump. You're in V-Jump if you're supplementing or promoting something else. It's for spin-offs and sequels, not main products.

(V-Jump is also home to the DB Heroes manga)

> 2 - It's written by a different artist under a pseudonym

Toyotaro is not Akira Toriyama. I mean, that's totally obvious, but it's an important point. Sure, we know Toriyama's not really interested in writing major manga series anymore (particularly on a strict weekly schedule), but that someone else is handling the manga adaptation speaks volumes. You can promote it's new Dragon Ball, but you can't promote that it's new Dragon Ball direct from the pen of the original author himself. That already knocks it down a peg. Regardless of Toyotaro's talent and what Toriyama says about him, at the end of the day, he's just not Toriyama. Furthermore, he doesn't even have his own real name - he's just a semi-anonymous figurehead for Shueisha to trot out.

>>151907972
Vegeta and Goku both admit that gohan was weaker than against cell.
They also said that teen wouldn't have struggled as much against Dabra. He was weaker because he never trained after cell's defeat.
Future Trunks is the last warrior able to protect his world and he knows it so I imagine that he was training even after he got rid of the cyborgs in his timeline.

>>151908410
(Cont.)

> 3 - It's not a stand-alone product in and of itself

The earlier Battle of Gods manga chapters jump all over the place, and though it's a continuing story, for a little bit there it doesn't literally go from the exact same setup/scene to the next appropriate scene on a chapter-by-chapter basis. Once you get past that, you suddenly skip an entire story arc (RoF). Unless you understand what the Dragon Ball Super manga is, and can contextually place it among the other stuff going on and being released, it's not the easiest thing in the world to follow. Sure, you can fill in the holes on your own, but an actual story doesn't get written that way when it's supposed to stand on its own.

> 4 - We were told it was a "comicalization" from the start

Right with the first chapter, Toyotaro said:

> "Getting to see a new DB anime series every week makes me too happy! With this comicalization, I want to make my own small contribution to the excitement, so everyone please check out the manga, too!"

You have to read between the lines there a little bit, but not so much that it's not clear: the manga isn't the main product here.

Sooooooooo...

Yes, Toyotaro's comic seems to, in some ways, be its own independent adaptation of Toriyama's scripts/plot-points. Toyotaro gets to do his own thing from time to time, adding his own flourishes, focusing on certain aspects, and telling the series of events in slightly different ways. At the end of the day though, he and his product are in the position of supporting something else.

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>>151908410
Oh, this is autism.

Not only is this post telling us what we've already know, it's copy-and-pasted from Kanzenshuu.

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>>151907934
This, it ruined the Future Trunks arc for me. What's worse is that people were trying to defend it saying "oh Goku was always like that" which is clearly bullshit.

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>>151908111
>>151908179
>>151908296
>>151908331

This whole thing sounds familiar...

This just proves that SS2 is a terrible design

>>151908462
But I just said that

>>151908410
>the promotional material ends up being better than the main product
Damn Toei sucks.

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>>151908410
>>151908443

> the manga is just promotional material for the anime

Nothing new

>>151908331
>>implying Gohan has ever been able to go SS2 at will without being angry
He literally did it for Kibito during the tournament.
>>also ignoring Gohan itself thinks about how he can't use his true power to stop Buu resurrection as Goku said
They weren't talking about transformations but about power. Goku believe that Gohan still has untapped power( which be later released by the old kaioshin)

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>>151908519
>>the promotional material ends up being better than the main product
haha no

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>>151908410
>VegettoEX

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>>151908519
I mean if u like rushed arcs with shitty antagonists, sure.

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>>151907147

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>>151908480
>>151907934
>>151908345

Ironically, Goku at the very start of Z was a FAR more mature person than the Goku we see in the Super anime.

Which makes no sense, since he was much younger.

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>>151908519
>Toei sucks

And water is wet and sky is blue

How do people force themselves to stuff the equivalent of this kind of shit down their throat regularly is beyond me

>>151907562
Why do people keep saying that?

There's no source for this

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>>151908621

>>151908654
still better then toyotaro's rushed up nonsensical shit show

>>151908552

Actually, it's pretty much always been the other way around. Toriyama recieves more royalties from the manga, since it's closer to his core material.

Anime in general is always used as promotional material first and foremost, for the manga in question. This is why a lot of mangaka aren't that upset if their anime version is cancelled at a later date, they still pulled a net profit on their manga through it.

In short, you're clueless and retarded.

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>>151908654
Just

>>151908402
>"reaching" this hard
Auras are a clear fact, you are analyzing the hair cut for a kid who fight a demon flying over there, anon.

>haircut
>he actually thinks his hair style doesn't change if doesn't cut his hair
Gohan fights, Gohan flies, Gohan was kicked, why his hair would remain EXACTLY the same? Half saiyans hair can change without transform, auras not.

>hair is the sole indicator
Why you lie, anon?

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>>151908661

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We needed more of West Kaioshin.

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>>151908697
fuck

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>>151908699

I read that the Manga will be ahead of the anime with the new arc, does that mean that the Manga will enter the new arc with the next chapter?

>>151908687
> Toriyama recieves more royalties from the manga, since it's closer to his core material.

<citation needed>

>Anime in general is always used as promotional material first and foremost, for the manga in question.

Only when the anime is based on the manga. Like DB and DBZ were. Not DBS.

>>151908654
>>151908697
>>151908733
why post one piece trash. At least post about the super anime you faggot

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>>151908733
my

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>>151908631
Atleast Toyotaro didn't turn Goku into a DBZA meme.

>>151908746
No. The manga will continue as is, the anime will just have the storyboards from the manga.

>>151908746
You read wrong. People just say that without any source to back them up.

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>>151908573
>He literally did it for Kibito during the tournament.
Without being angry? What about..?

>They weren't talking about transformations but about power
Transformations give the user power, and Gohan only can go SS2 if he's angry, he even justifies he can't use his power because isn't angry (unlike when Cell killed 16, when killed his father and after pic related).

>>151908770
>the anime will just have the storyboards from Toriyama's scripts

FTFY

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>>151908726
tfw dragon ball threads never pay attention to West Kaioshin

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>>151908749

>anime is literally used to promote sales of the manga
>I-I-IT'S N-NOT PROMOTIONAL M-MATERIAL

>Only when the anime is based on the manga. Like DB and DBZ were. Not DBS.

Except it is now, shitboot. Toyotaro is crafitng the new universal tournament storyline and Toei is following it.

>>151908656
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

He said he'll be ahead of the anime and will rely information to Toei from now on. But didn't get into details on how that's going to happen (if he will give them storyboards, a script or whatever).

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>>151908762
shit

It's been 5 years since the beginning of the Cell saga and the Buu saga is just coming out now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_Z_Kai_episodes#Season_5:_Majin_Buu_Saga_.282014.29

>>151908784
>You read wrong. People just say that without any source to back them up.
What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

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>>151908841
up

Why does Dimps make Goku's base so fucking buffed in Xenoverse 2?

>>151908784
he clearly stated that he will be ahead in the next arc. Why do you think the trailer of the universal arc showed manga shots? Its because toyotaro is already working on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKFhCQfmuuA

>>151908726
>More of some shit tier fan fiction character

No thx

>>151908759
There is something very ironing about Dragon Ball calling One piece trash

>>151908850

He'll be ahead from his current point or ahead of the anime?

At the pace the manga is going, there's no way they can finish the F.Trunks arc by February (when the new arc starts)

Unless he ends it completely rushed.

>>151907466
It's not a real manga, it's in fucking V-Jump. It's an advertisement for the anime.

It's 2004.
Teenage me goes to Barnes and Nobles.
Heads to the manga section grabs some dragonball volumes.
Go into the restroom and jerk it to Bulma tits.
Return Manga to shelf and wait for parents to get done browsing.

Why is Dragonball the only decent dub in all of anime? Literally everything else is trash

>>151908932
>he clearly stated that he will be ahead in the next arc.
Okay

> he' already working on the next arc when he's barely through the Future Trunks arc

Yeah no

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>>151908838
>>151908850
Good, Toei are incompetent as fuck, hopefully now they're following Toyo the quality of the anime will improve. Too bad nothing can save the trash animation.

>>151908938
>shit tier fan fiction character
She was in the anime, you retard, mentioned in the manga.

>>151908656
The trailer for the new arc is nothing but Toyo storyboards. Combine that with Toyo's statements and it's common sense.

>>151908957
>not a real manga
kek

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>>151908957

This is some new bait. Trying some new tactics, Toeipedo?

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>>151908992
>anime
>shit tier fanfiction

Nothing changed then

Still not canon

>>151908828
>anime is literally used to promote sales of the manga
Other way around retard. It's V fucking Jump. It's Jump for advertisements.

> Toyotaro is crafitng the new universal tournament storyline and Toei is following it.
> Toyo is in charge of the next arc

<citation needed>

>>151908945
we already have a trailer of the universal arc with manga shots. Its clear that he has already worked on it ahead. As for when he will actually be ahead in publication is still unknown. Most likely he will keep his pace but already give info over to toei about the newest arc. Worst case scenario he gonna rush it up so that we can get the new stuff in the manga fast.

>>151909042
I guess you missed the part where I say it was mentioned in the manga, but 5/10 bait since I gave the free (You)

>>151907725
He won't. Toyo does nothing but reuse old fight moves. Even Vegeta vs Black had him reuse moments from Goku vs Vegeta.
He's a hack. Toriyama likes him because he doesn't remember his own manga.

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>>151908982
>Yeah no

Mangaka are always several chapters ahead of the current release

Holy shit you are beyond clueless. Just another fairweather newfag who's probably been on 4chan for a month.

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>>151908989
>Too bad nothing can save the trash animation.
It has been getting better.

>>151907028
Rushed meme manga

>>151908982
>Yeah no
>show proof.
>still denies it,
he even said in the interview he will be giving toei information from now on. Just because we get the manga monthly doesnt mean he has already worked ahead.

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18 is a cheating whore who likes old man dick

>>151909099
>mentioned

Mentioned means she didnt appear and wasnt a relevant factor, for all reason and purpose she might as well look nothing like that

You are getting attached to a shitty filler bait character

>>151909112
>Even Vegeta vs Black had him reuse moments from Goku vs Vegeta.
Like?

>>151909112
It is called homage, m8

>Characters use their signature move is bad somehow

>>151908982
See >>151908838

>>151908974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNAlC49Shso

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>>151908989
>following Toyo, the quality of the anime will improve

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>151908822
>Without being angry? What about..?
Kibito=!spopovitch
You could see that he was calm again when he gave the senzu to videl. Getting mad again against Kibito doesn't make sense

Oh and transformations do give the user power but that doesn't mean that he was specifically talking about ssj2. Through the manga gohan has always shown great power after getting angry. Goku and himself were counting on a power that surpasses his ssj2 form.

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>>151909112
>Toyo does nothing but reuse old fight moves.
Which did he reuse here?

>>151909095
I hope he won't rush the ending, I want this arc to be decent in the manga at least. I also don't mind the publication staying behind of the anime.

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I dont understand why people get mad about Black being stomped

Nigga is a fucking small time villain with a shallow ass motive, i mean seriously, most of his character is recycled shit from other characters

What did you expect? Inbe4 some retard go m-muh god

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How do toeifags feel about being guided by le "promotional" artist hahaha.

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>>151909244
>Toyo inconsistencies: 1
>Toei inconsistencies: 1235813
>not aa improvement

Toeishills are hilarious

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>>151909112
>Toyo does nothing but reuse old fight moves.
You mean like Toei?

Reminder that the manga is for neckbeards who want to feel a sense of superiority.
Reminder that the anime is for balanced individuals who are intelligent enough to actually enjoy something.

>>151909308
As a big manga fan for me toyotaro already fucked up in the manga with the trunks arc so i couldn't care less. The whole trunks arc is just a mess.

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>>151909244
What is about this?

In Beerus 's fight, Vegeta's SS2 was clearly on par/ surpassed Goku's SS3?

SS3 doesnt necessasy mean that you are stronger than SS2. In the Tournamet, Goku's Red was stronger than Vegeta's Blue. This is nothing new

>>151908698
So gohan' s haircut changed against Dabra. Toriyama never changed a haircut for the reasons you mentionned for anyone and he suddenly decides to that for Gohan against Dabra and never again?
Here is a better and more plausible theory than what you just said:
Toriyama forgot to draw the sparks

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>>151909244

Vegeta's SS2 is stronger than SS3 Goku.
What's the problem here?

Pic related is a real problem

>>151909371
Why can't you enjoy both?

>>151909415
>Goku's Red was stronger than Vegeta's Blue.
because in the manga vegeta's blue was 1/10th of his max strength. Not the same stuff. Powerscale during chapter 19 was complete braindead.

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>>151909449

>>151909449
The worst is SSJ3 Gotenks vs base Vegeta

>>151909186
>>151909213
Black firing the Kamehameha. Vegeta dodging it was exactly how Goku dodged Vegeta's blast back in the Saiyan Saga.

>>151909365
Ok this made me laugh, well played.

>>151909489
That's not how it works cuckboi

>>151909152
>most influential development of DBS is Krillin and 18 have their own house and Krillin has a job

>>151909449
>Vegeta's SS2 is stronger than SS3 Goku
ok
but Trunks ssj2=ssj3 goku
black base > trunks ssj2
but vegeta ssj2>>>>>> black ssj2?
thats the problem things dont add up.

>>151909355
>1235813 inconsistencies

Name 4 that are not from RoF(Manga skipped it)

Or post-Chapter 19 content (Future Zamasu's arrive)

I'll wait.

>>151909449
>>151909415

No. Vegeta getting a rage-boost does NOT make it a permanent boost.

That has never happened before in DB (except in the case of actual transformations)

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>>151909415
>>151909449
>In Beerus 's fight, Vegeta's SS2 was clearly on par/ surpassed Goku's SS3?
>Vegeta's SS2 is stronger than SS3 Goku.
Also he was caught off guard because Vegeta probably attacked Base Black with normal SS2 and then changed to muh Bulma SS2 in the middle of the fight.

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>>151909496

Super Saiyan is a way to multiple your power

SS2, SS3 it isnt important

>A guy has SS2
>B guy has SS3
>A guy has base power of 5
>B guy has base power of 3
>5x2 =10
>3x3 = 9
>A SS2 > B SS3

It is fucking simple. Fuck you niggas getting your panties in a twist for?

>>151909554
>black base > trunks ssj2

Black base > Trunk SS2 while he is weakened and malnourished

Even if Trunk was at SS2, he wasnt at full power

>>151908886
Because xenoverse is trash

>>151909554
>but Trunks ssj2=ssj3 goku
Trunks has two version of SS2, base Black is stronger than the weaker one.

>>151909340
> Toyo will guide Toei when the next arc starts February
> Toyo is not even close to finishing the F. Trunks arc

Either your source is your ass, or we can look foward to a very shitty and abrupt ending to an already rushed arc in the manga.

>>151909695
Trunks had SS2 while fighting Dabura.

Black came after.

>>151909665
>Super Saiyan is a way to multiple your power

>SS2, SS3 it isnt important

but thats the fucking issue you illiterate dickhead.

for what we have seen vegeta base must be >>>>>>>>>>>trunks>>>>>>>goku which makes absolutely no sense.

>Black base > Trunk SS2 while he is weakened and malnourished
trunks wasn't always constantly malnourished. Also you think after his mother death he would go half assed against black? Dont forget the fact that trunks mentioned black being stronger then the last time they fought so shit makes even less sense.

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>>151909531
>Vegeta dodging it was exactly how Goku dodged Vegeta's blast back in the Saiyan Saga.
You again, still reaching huh?
Also
>Goku vs Vegeta.
You mean Goku vs Nappa couldn't even get the fight right.

>>151909371
agreed about the neckbeard stuff. Manga just attracts the strange side of the fandom.

>>151909695
>Trunks has two version of SS2, base Black is stronger than the weaker one.
source?
trunks said he was fighting at his max for 10years.

>>151909760
>Trunks had SS2 while fighting Dabura.
That's when he first got it, so it wasn't SS3 tier.

>>151909610
In the movie( which i believe will be considered canon) Goku commented on how Vegeta finally let out his true power / improved himself greatly with that Beerus rage fight

You all niggas just gonna have to accept that Vegeta SS2 = Goku SS3 now, and Vegeta Blue <= Goku blue because Toriyama is fucking lazy and not gonna make some shitty SS3 design for Vegeta

>Need SS3 when he already pulled Blue out of the ass

>>151909267
>"Of course he wasn't angry, Videl being healed made Gohan completely forget her previous suffer, humiliation and torture...!"

You would not be angry in Gohan's situation? Would not you be positive in front of Videl, even if you were angry inside? Really?
Also, what about Buu? Mr. Satan and the dog were shooted, but also healed by Buu. They were totally safe and Buu was still angry for obvious reasons. You can't invalidate Gohan's anger since in the same arc the same thing happens to Buu.

Also (easy question), why Toriyama didn't draw the SS2 aura in Gohan during his fight vs Dabra? A little detail like bangs is totally different to auras.

>>151909846
>source
His fight with Goku, first he uses normal SS2 and then his SS3 tier SS2.

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>>151909665
This guy gets it.

SS2 Vegeta and SS2 Trunks are just both stronger than SS3 Goku.

>>151909894
yeah but he never stated he went easy on black.
he even said he was constantly fighting to death for the past 10 years.

>>151909894
The why didn't he just use that SS2 against Black? Just admit Toyo fucked up

>>151906861
Yes

>>151909720
Are you really this retarded? Toyo is far ahead of what's being published in V-Jump. What's released is not where the manga artist actually is

>>151909922
but he is fucking wrong you retard.
base black in base should already be much stronger then vegeta base. ssj are mulitpliers. so black getting easily manhandled in ssj2 is stupid.

>>151909787
Face it, your "boy" is a hack. He does nothing but trace.

>>151909858
>the movie( which i believe will be considered canon) Goku commented on how Vegeta finally let out his true power / improved himself greatly with that Beerus rage fight
That doesn't mean anything. It was still only temporary.

Even IF SS2 Vegeta > SS2 trunks = SS3 Goku...

SS2 Trunks lost to Base-form Black. SS2 Vegeta could've beaten him (if he was in fact stronger than SS3 Goku)

But beating transformed SS(2) Black? As SS2 Vegeta??

>>151909665
>Super Saiyan is a way to multiple your power
thats the problem. base black has showed better feats then vegeta's base ever fucking did.
vegeta ssj2 is equal to goku's ssj3 where as base black toyed with a trunks ssj2 who fought for his live. stuff still doesnt add up. vegeta ssj2 shouldnt be this powerful and especially not after trunks saying black became stronger since the last time they fought.

>>151909665
>>151909922
You do realize that your point hinges on your calculations, which are fallacious though, right?

>>A guy has SS2
>>B guy has SS3
>>A guy has base power of 5
>>B guy has base power of 3
>>5x2 =10
>>3x3 = 9
>>A SS2 > B SS3

It's far more drastic.
If A guy was 5, and B guy was 3, SS3 would make B guy 1,200, and A guy 500.
SS3 is a straight-up 400x multiplier, and SS2 a 100x.
Meaning Vegeta would have to be not just over a base power of 12, compared to Goku's 3, but GENEROUSLY over it, as he wrecked the FUCK out of Black.
So, tl;dr, you have no clue what you're actually talking about, and your interjections are undermined but canon.

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>>151909939
>yeah but he never stated he went easy on black.
>The why didn't he just use that SS2 against Black?
He was living off cat and dog food he wasn't at his best. When he first attacked Black it was in base mode, only after seeing Mai die was he able to muster some power to transform.

>>151909855
First, you don't know that.

Second, Black was already there the moment Trunks beat Dabura.

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Ladies and gentlemen your multiversal tournament MVP

>>151910022
>no argument

I accept your concession.

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>>151909779
>trunks wasn't always constantly malnourished

YEAH OH WOW WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT? Your headcanon makes so much sense, m8

Trunk must have stuffed himself full of fucking burger and diet Cola in an almost destroyed world. The fact that he was literally nourished since Saiyan eat 10+ people's share per meal and he only had like what? half of a shitty can of food? - didnt have any meaning at all

Fucking retard. I am sure he could just decide to get un-malnourished somehow since his mother is dead and he didnt wanna do it half assed

>Dont forget the fact that trunks mentioned black being stronger then the last time they fough

IT MEANS BLACK RAPED TRUNK'S FACE BEFORE. IT MEANS THAT BLACK WAS STRONGER THAN TRUNK AT FULL POWER,

BLACK COULD BE IN SS2 STATE WHEN HE FIRST FISTED TRUNK'S ASS. THE FACT THAT HE COULD DEFEAT TRUNK IN HIS BASE WHEN HE WAS WEAKENED MEANS NO FUCKING THING BESIDE THAT TRUNK WAS WEAKENED, YOU FUCKING RETARD

IT MEANS VEGETA SS2 > TRUNK SS2 OR THAT VEGETA HAS BETTER FIGHT STYLE / EXPERIENCE.

IT IS 1+1=2. ARE YOU LITERALLY RETARDED

>>151910118
>First, you don't know that.
Yes I do, Trunks said he trained to get his SS3 tier SS2. Reread the fight.

>Second, Black was already there the moment Trunks beat Dabura.
And? We don't know when he started his attack on Earth.

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>>151910091
Meant to reply to >>151909941
as well

>>151910091
So? Trunks was healthy and fine after Dabura.

He should've beaten Black easily in their first battle.

Trunks already said he couldn't beat Black at his best.

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>>151910119
>Leave the Zenos to me.
>I don't need any silly blue form either.

>>151910150
>Trunk must have stuffed himself full of fucking burger and diet Cola in an almost destroyed world. The fact that he was literally nourished since Saiyan eat 10+ people's share per meal and he only had like what? half of a shitty can of food? - didnt have any meaning at all
Not that anon, but you're an idiot

Why would Trunks be malnourished during his first battle with Black?

>>151909395
Yeah but I'm still enjoying the manga version a lot more than the anime, so it would be pretty shitty if he rushed it just to play catch up with Toei.

>>151910279
BLOODY FUCKING MISERABLE RETARD, DON T YOU KNOW HOW TO READ

>>151910200
>Yes I do, Trunks said he trained to get his SS3 tier SS2
Yes but that could've been before the Dabura fight. Black appeared right after.

> And? We don't know when he started his attack on Earth
So? Doesn't change the fact that Trunks went against Black at his best when he FIRST fought him

>>151910238
>He should've beaten Black easily in their first battle.
>Trunks already said he couldn't beat Black at his best.

Hence Trunks referencing Black's SS form.

SS2Black> SS3 tier SS2 Trunks>Base Black>Normal SS2 Trunks

>>151910325
>in an almost destroyed world. T
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THE WORLD BE DESTROYED RETARD

He already said they were rebuilding it and everything was almost back to normal.

> in b4 Trunks lost because diet coke

>>151910150
>>151910150
>food was gone the moment black appeared
get your malnourishement headcanon outta here.
Black was always ahead of trunks.trunks even said he fought for life and death for 10 years giving his max and still couldnt do shit.
and if you want to go all scientific about it rage hormones can help someone perform stuff that are sometimes not possible even when fully health and i am pretty sure trunks was pissed after he thought mai was dead. So even with rage on his side he couldnt do jack shit,

>>151910365
>Hence Trunks referencing Black's SS form.

Which Vegeta easily beat. And?

>>151910330
>Yes but that could've been before the Dabura fight. Black appeared right after.
Again he didn't get SS2 until the Dabura fight.

>So? Doesn't change the fact that Trunks went against Black at his best when he FIRST fought him

See >>151910365

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>>151910119

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>>151910405
>Which Vegeta easily beat
Not really. SS2 Black was even taking hits from SSB Vegeta.

>>151910473
I don't see Black hurting Vegeta much.

Blocking an attack or two doesn't mean much when the fight was pretty much one-sided

>>151910473
>was taking hits from vegeta
beerus got hit multiple times by goku ssg. i bet you think ssg goku at that time could have wrecked beerus too?

>>151910425
>Again he didn't get SS2 until the Dabura fight
He could've had it before that, but that doesn't make a difference.

He had SS2 when Black showed up. Still lost.

>>151910386
Here let me do it in a green text format so that even fucking retards like you can understand

>Black fight trunk
>Black max power > Trunk max power ( SS2)
>Black constantly fuck Trunk's shit up
>No shit to eat
>Black base > Weakened Trunk max power
>Trunk run away
>Got shit to eat
>SS2 Trunk = SS3 Goku
>SS3 Goku <= SS2 Vegeta ( Which is just how it is because Toriyama is a lazy piece of shit, you arent gonna get your shitty SS3 Vegeta, ever. Maybe he is gonna give it some sub nigger name like Super Saiyan 2 love, lel )
>SS2 Vegeta > Max power Black. This can be due to plain power creeped or experience / fight style / instict
>Blue Vegeta > Max power Black

>>151910279
Not him but you can't use his first fight with Black as an argument because we don't know anything at all about it.

Yes, Trunks obviously wasn't malnourished in their first fight, but we have absolutely no idea of what happened then that made him lose the fight.

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>>151910522
If SS2 Vegeta was easily beating Black.
SSB Vegeta should have one shotted him.

>Blocking an attack or two doesn't mean much when the fight was pretty much one-sided
Vegeta had the upper hand but Black was holding his own,


>>151910540
>beerus got hit multiple times
Beerus was holding back. So doesn't really mean much.

>>151910601
Trunks said he lost to Black at his best. Why would Vegeta make quick work of Black when Trunks >= SS3 Goku?

>>151910585
>He could've had it before that
How the fuck could he have SS3 tier SS2 before he even had SS2?

>He had SS2 when Black showed up. Still lost.
See >>151910365

>SS2Black> SS3 tier SS2 Trunks>Base Black>Normal SS2 Trunks

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Actually SS2 Vegeta beat up SS2 Black

Making this even more stupid.

Here's SS1 and SS2 for comparison

>>151910645
nothing new here. toyotaro fucked up.

>>151910645
manga fucked up.
we have been over this already

>>151910238
>He should've beaten Black easily in their first battle.
Why? SS Black is stronger than any Trunks form

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>>151910654
>SSB Vegeta should have one shotted him.
He was handling him easily and toying with him.

But yea, one Final Flash could've one-shotted him. Definitely.

>>151910645
how to fuck up powerscale in 4 chapters 101

>>151910645
not desu shit again.Toyotaro forgot about chapter 15. good god toei fags cant stop milking this issue

>>151910735
>he keep trying
Aw

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>>151910645
D-DELETE THIS!!!

>>151910645
no matter how much headcanon toyotarofags try to bring under the table this shit makes no fucking sense what so ever. no malnourishment bullscrap can.
in no way is vegeta base >>>> goku base.

>>151909881
>Of course he wasn't angry, Videl being healed made Gohan completely forget her previous suffer, humiliation and torture...!
Keep making me say what I didn't say, maybe you will convince yourself that way.
I never said he wasn't angry, just that it wasn't at fucking Kibito.
Also, your point is that Gohan turned into an ssj2 in front of Kibito because of Videl's beating, right? Then we have a problem:
If we take your previous "Auras are a 100% indicator of ssj2" stance, then Gohan was a simple ssj( he didn't have the sparks but had the bangs of an ssj2) during videl's beating (he tranforms while spopovitch was beating her). Then he turns back into his base form once the round is over and after that he turns into an ssj2 for Kibito. I'm sorry but it doesn't makes sense, why would he be a simple ssj while seeing Videl getting destroyed, and then turns into an ssj2, in front of Kibito, because of Videl's beating, that was already over by then?

>Also, what about Buu? Mr. Satan and the dog were shooted, but also healed by Buu. They were totally safe and Buu was still angry for obvious reasons. You can't invalidate Gohan's anger since in the same arc the same thing happens to Buu.
Yes I can;
1) buu rage wasn't interrupted and he released skinny buu just after what angered him happened, he didn't wait like Gohan and wasn't smiling after that (unlike Gohan)

2) What happened to Buu was entirely different than a Gohan anger power-up. Buu didn't get stronger, he released another being something evil, while Gohan only gets stronger from his power-ups (and sometimes cocky too). What happened after they get mad were different things.

>Also (easy question), why Toriyama didn't draw the SS2 aura in Gohan during his fight vs Dabra?
Because he forgot

> A little detail like bangs is totally different to auras.
Totally subjective. How exactly are they a small detail?

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>Ignore explaintion / discussion in favor of some picture which isnt correct
>Process to samefag it up

You are one very very sad man, mang

>>151910798
Only when mangafags are in denial.

And there are plenty of denialfags in this thead

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>>151910784
>He was handling him easily and toying with him.
Nice headcanon, he was beating the shit out of him.

>But yea, one Final Flash could've one-shotted him
He shouldn't need a finisher to one-shot someone in SSB he was "easily beating" as SS2.

>>151910645
toyotaro should have just make black ssj2>vegeta ssj2 but he forgot that he overpowered trunks a bit too fucking much.

>>151910764
Okay and we established SS2 Trunks >= SS3 Goku

If Black can beat Trunks, he can beat Vegeta (unless Vegeta is SSB)

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>>151909365
Missing the Cell-Goku punch aswell.

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>>151910784
>He was handling him easily and toying with him.

>>151910725
>How the fuck could he have SS3 tier SS2 before he even had SS2?
What are u talking about? He has SS2 against Dabura already.

THEN he fought Black

>>151910645
I know you're right and I said it already before but this shit is bait.

>>151910951
Why cant she keep her old hair style? Her old woman hair style make her look bald

>>151910991
>He has SS2 against Dabura already.
Yes and that was his first time using it.

>>151910645
as a mangafag this shit took a big chop of my hype away because i usually see toyotaro as the fucking logical of the two adaptations and he let me down.

>>151910986
> that pic

And? What are u trying to prove?

That SS2 Vegeta wasn't always overpowering Black? Sometimes he would semi-overpower him?

SS2 Vegeta was winning. In the end, that's where Toyotaro fucked up.

>>151910986
Yeah? What is that picture supposed to say? He literally beating Black to submission here, what more do you want?

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>>151910986
and then Black was able to get up from that

>>151911044
He made a mistake and contradiction.
As if Toriyama didn't do the same.

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>>151910086
Considering how SS2 Trunks and SS2 Vegeta have been shown to exceed or equal SS3 Goku your assumption is incorrect. You're saying that your calculation would be A=500 and B=1200 in that scenario but since we know that this is wrong (due to Vegeta/Trunks surpassing that threshold) the initial assumption that 5x2=10 vs 3x3=9 makes more sense canonically.

If it were true that B=1200 then Vegeta and Trunks would never overcome that number while they're stuck at A=500. But since they DID equal or overcome B=1200 it can be inferred that B=1200 is in itself false and 5x2=10 is in fact correct. Your assumption that SS3 grants "a straight-up 400x multiplier" sustains no evidence from the source manga itself when, under your numbers, you are insinuating that an SS2 boost of 100x's is capable of exceeding an SS3 boost of 400x's. To reiterate, 5x2=10 makes more sense when placing 3x3=9 for Goku (especially since, in at least Trunks' case it was canonically stated that he was stronger as a SS2 than Goku and Vegeta is implied to be the stronger base fighter than Goku in the rematch against Black, although the vegeta scene seems to be anime only at the moment so I take that one with a grain of salt).

In conclusion you are a faggot and you suck cocks.

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>>151911017
Because she's old. Maybe one day we'll get a timeskip and get this cute design.

>>151910645
he's at it again with the easy (you)'s.
stop posting stuff we already know. fuck always the same cancer evey fucking thread. so what he fucked up. god damnit

>>151911014
It wasn't meant for bait.

There were already people refusing Toyo did anything wrong earlier in the thread. Literally in denial.

I posted this to shut them up (hopefully)

>>151911067
>>151911059
Follow the argument before you jump in.

>>151911083
I'm not assuming.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_2
>The Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as regular Super Saiyan,[12][13] so the form multiplies the Saiyan's base power by 100x times its normal amount.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_3
>The Super Saiyan 3 form gives the user four times the strength of a Super Saiyan 2,[10] so it multiplies a Super Saiyan's power by 8x times and the Saiyan's base power by 400x times its normal amount.

This shit is confirmed in guides, you moron.

>>151911033
Ok? I dont even know what you'e arguing anymore. You're not making sense.

Just see this >>151910645
and acknowledge that you're wrong

>>151911017
I like it. I want to cum on her forehead.

>>151911143
Your comment being retarded has nothing to do with whether i followed the argument or not, which i did

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>>151911089
God, I want to cum inside that Chichi.

>>151911143
That was my argument though.

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>>151911153
>using the fucking dragonball wiki
do you consider bio-brolly canon too?

fucking ningens

>>151911160
>You're not making sense.
the feeling is mutual

See this >>151910365
>SS2Black> SS3 tier SS2 Trunks>Base Black>Normal SS2 Trunks

>>151910645
this shit just doesnt add up no matter how I look at it. Lets see how toyo is going to handle this issue in the next chapter.

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>>151910645
>muh anime is perfect
kys toeifag

>>151911160
Redirecting you here >>151910596

>>151911228
It's confirmed in the Daizenshuu.
I just couldn't be bothered to source that.

>>151906678
I don't want to read

What did the manga do to Black?

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>>151911263
>Daizenshuu

>>151911239
Kill yourself? What? What in the world brought that on? You sound like some sort of dreg of humanity when you tell someone to kill themselves. You really need to watch what you say. You're being ridiculously irresponsible. Just because you're anonymous over the internet doesn't mean what you say can't have consequences, either to you or the person you're talking to.

>>151911278
Does official sourcing not count?

>>151911153
>dragonball wikia
really nigga? you're a fucking retard this shit is written by moronic fans. if it were at least kanzenchuu ok but this?

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>>151911238
Your samefagging is so obvious, it is sad

I pity you, man. Like, seriously

>>151911218
>SS2 Vegeta was winning.
Except Black was taking hit from SSB Vegeta showing that SS2 wasn't enough.
>In the end, that's where Toyotaro fucked up.
Why? Vegeta's fight with Beerus made it clear that SS2 Vegeta>SS3 Goku

>>151911313
???
who the fuck are you.

>>151911310
It is in the Daizenshuu, too, if you want to dispute it.
But SSJ being 50x, SSJ2 being 100x, and SSJ3 being 400x is canonically confirmed stuff.

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>>151911366
the daizenchuu also says that the cell arc occured in three different timelines only which is impossible since the manga itself worked at least in 4.
daizenchuu is not even written by toryiama.
Multipliers were never stated by him in anything not even in a interview.

>Quake of Fury

>As displayed by Vegeta the Super Saiyan 2 form can be substantially amplified in power through rage, this ability is called the Quake of Fury. Vegeta attained this power up in anger of Bulma being slapped by Beerus, and it was implied later that he retained the ability to use it - as during the "Future" Trunks Saga Super Sayan 2 Vegeta was shown as being stronger than Super Saiyan Goku Black, whose base form alone was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

>>151911356
>Except Black was taking hit from SSB Vegeta showing that SS2 wasn't enough.
SS2 Vegeta was more than enough.

SSB was unnecessary.

When was SS2 Vegeta ever in trouble? Did Black even land a good hit on SS2 Vegeta? No.

Multiverse needs an anime.

>>151911426
>trying to dispute unironic canon

Well there's a new low.

>>151911439
> "Vegeta was raging (My Bulma!!-tier anger) in the manga against Black"

This is so stupid it hurts

>>151911442
>SS2 Vegeta was more than enough.
>SSB was unnecessary.
Yet Black was able to take hits from SSB Vegeta and get back up. So not really.

>>151911229
>SS2Black> SS3 tier SS2 Trunks>Base Black>Normal SS2 Trunks

And yet SS2 Vegeta >>>> SS2 Black

Remember SS2 Trunks >= SS3 Goku

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>tfw no one gives a single shit about Zamasu, his plan, or any of that garbage
>the only reason people liked the arc was because Black was an evil Goku and they liked how cool it was

People just love evil Gokus, man. Nothing wrong with that.

>>151911482
>>trying to dispute unironic canon
ok there are only three timelines then. since daizenchuu says so and is absolute. Stupid wanker. Also with the multipliers shit doesnt add up. you telling me vegeta is that much more powerful then goku?

>>151911526
> he got up

So? He was fucking losing.

Holy shit. The denial is strong here.

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>>151911534
>SS2 Vegeta >>>> SS2 Black

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>>151910645

>Animefaggots keep focusing in on ONE flaw within the manga when the anime has piled up DOZENS

Really makes you think, doesn't it?

>>151911582
How is SS2 more than enough, if Black is talking hits from SSB and getting up?

>>151911592
beerus was not even trying so this doesnt mean anything. also vegeta had training with whis so why would he still be at the same level of strentgh?

>>151911582
>>151911635

Vegeta went Blue not because SS2 wasnt enough

He went Blue because " lel fucking casual, get on my fucking level"

In SS2, Vegeta was 15 while Black was 10

In Blue, Vegeta was 25 or some shit

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>>151911659
>beerus was not even trying
Neither was he during pic related

>>151911686
>Vegeta went Blue not because SS2 wasnt enough
> In SS2, Vegeta was 15 while Black was 10

I'm glad I don't have to make any counter-argument. You already did that to yourself.

>>151911625
> Mangafags STILL in denial about "one" flaw

Maybe if, you know, they'd just accept the mistake and move on?

>>151911736
What about it?

>This guy is better with gun than this guy

Read here
>>151910596

>>151911592
Yea. which is stupid

>>151911266
SSJ2 Vegeta destroyed him, then destroyed him even more as a SSB. Black started screaming and raging like Zamasu, crying about how Ningens shouldn't dare be able to hurt him. He had to get saved by Future Zamasu

>>151911715
>Neither was he during pic related
your point?

>>151911686
>Vegeta went Blue not because SS2 wasnt enough
See >>151910473 Black negated Vegeta's Ki spam. SS2 wasn't enough.

>In Blue, Vegeta was 25 or some shit
Then SSB should have one shotted him.

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Argue against this, animefaggots:

On top of being malnourished, Trunks in his future was EXHAUSTED. He is constantly on the run from Black and they can barely find any food or proper rest because the future is a shithole. On top of that, Trunks is probably mentally damaged from all the shit that has happened and possibly it fucked with his powers. Remember, emotions vastly influence Gohan's powers, no reason why they don't with Trunks.

When Trunks fought Goku in a sparring match, neither was it to the death, it was also while Trunks had finished resting and (presumably) eaten off-screen. That's why he was so much more powerful then.

This explains why SS2 Vegeta was beating SS2 Black.

Hey guys.

Powerlevels have almost always been inconsistent and we should stop using them as measuring sticks.

>>151911828
SS2 Vegeta>>SS3 Goku

>>151911833
>Negate

His clothes is in tater there, brah

Survived / tanked =/= negate

Negate implying that you took next to no damage

>>151911821
>SSJ2 Vegeta destroyed him

No, not really. He was beating him, but wasn't inflicting any real damage on him until he went SSB. Only then did Black start bleeding and getting injured for real.

>>151911858
>it was also while Trunks had finished resting and (presumably) eaten off-screen.
Senzu beans give you a couple days worth of food.

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>>151911833
>>151911799

> Black was losing to SS2 Vegeta
> Black barely lands any hits on SS2 Vegeta
> Black has to shield himself from SS2 Vegeta

SS2 WASN'T ENOUGH! RIGHT GUYS??

>>151911858
your headcanon doesn't explain jack shit.
if malnourishement was such a big deal he would have never be able to improve in strentgh. Since you say he decreased gradually since the moment he fought black. Yeat he himself stated against goku that he became stronger in those 10 years and not weaker like your silly ass headcanon wants you to think. I am manga fan but damn your autism is polluting this board and you should go fuck yourself already.