is there an updated list yet /a/?

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Yeah, here you go.

>>151906535
Cancer

>>151906535
I forgot how much puppetshit was in that image.

>>151907272
Yeah, good 'ol Kawamoto.

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I don't know how old this is

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how many charts are there anyway

>>151907356
Five Kawamoto and only one Yamamura is pretty indefensible imo

>>151906535
>Tomorrow's Joe 2
>No Ashita no Joe 1 on the list

This list was made by a faggot.

>>151907581
>Sonic man of the year part 1 (other parts were unreleased
I explicitly remember watching an ENDING to that on Sonic Jam.

>inb4 shows only /a/ watched like Rakugo and Flip Flap gets on these charts

>>151907965
Rakugo was top tier anime

>>151907649
It's based on the 2003 Laputa list.

>>151907582
I think it's fine, Mt. Head is imo his first truly fantastic film. The list predates Kafka and Muybridge.

>>151907965
Anon, both of those are about ten thousand times more widely-watched than a lot of the shit on these charts.

>>151907581
Fuck off, Famicom.

>>151907965
>implying /a/ would now make a chart that is up to date for 2016

>>151907965
Why not though? The chart is supposed to expand the horizon of the person following it. Might aswell go for something slightly more niche. And those were two amazing shows.

If someone just wanted Re:Zero recommended to the they can get that from any other site.

>>151908133
Tsumiki no Ie was made after Contry Doctor and Old Crocodile

>>151909564
Well shoot, I guess the maker is a faggot after all. At least Kafka deserves a spot, it's a masterpiece.

>>151906308
This is the first time I've seen this chart posted that wasn't the original or me. Maybe you saved my post? :3

I keep thinking about recommendation charts, how I'd make one.
I don't think /a/ makes recommendation charts anymore, and the mods may not even allow it. But I love the threads for making them, it's great discussion. And I hope it happens again.

Since this chart there has only been one year, though. So may not be much to add.

There was also one chart made that only covers 2011-2015, to be used in addition to the old ones. It's not very widespread, but it was posted to Reddit, so maybe you can find it there. Or try searching the archives for recommendation chart threads on /wsr/ and /a/, I know I've shared it at least once, and maybe someone else too.

>>151906308
That is a top tier chart.

>>151909808
>:3
Kill yourself. This thread belongs on >>>/wsr/

What do you guys use to make those?

>>151911056
paint

>GTO
worst meme i've fell for in ages.

>>151906308
We should add a slot for Isekai

>>151906308
wait why the fuck is mushishi listed psychological

>>151911110
I don't think that's right. I asked before, but I can't remember the answer.

I want to make a recommendation chart, but I haven't seen enough anime! I need to control the quality of what's on other lists, unless there's a strong consensus, and charts also often misgenre series, so that's also something that needs to ve fixed.

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>>151909564
It is mostly, I would probably do some things differently if I made it now but I wouldn't have the motivation anymore. I just wanted to encourage more of /a/ to try some shit they wouldn't usually consider really.

There is a longer version here that someone put into order for me with some extra stuff added in.

>>151911279
I used Scribus.

>>151911178
It's true these charts tend to be biased against stupid, uncultured anime, and maybe some of the trashier genres also deserve some representation with many different anime. These charts tend to be heavy on the deeper, more demanding anime compared to what's popular and most commonly made. So it's worth thinking about. Maybe a "self insert" genre instead of just isekai. Keep Escaflowne in fantasy, and add the generic harems and isekai in the self insert genre?

>>151911190
It's an updated version of a much older, and way more popular (and way worse, seriously, romance: Air, Kanon, Love Hina...), version. The original had many misgenreings and bad anime, it may be a holdover.

>>151911355
Still too much puppetshit but it's a good chart and if were not so pleb those shows would be watched

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Does anyone know if the is an English version of this list anywhere yet? I was going to do one but its pointless if it already exists.

Toshiyuki Inoue and someone else did it Janica and traces the history of the evolution of animations style in from Kumo to Tulip up to fairly recent.

>>151911691
I think the vast majority of Kawamoto stuff was on the Laputa list, the Japanese animators particularly generally seem to have great respect for his work.

>>151911355
I have a lot of ideas for the ultimate recommendation chart, which should require overlapping too. Don't know if that program supports that?
Anyway, my computer broke so everything I do I have to do on my phone, can't make charts now.

One plan was to make CGDCT its own genre under SoL, and have only 10 anime in each genre. And what I do do is thinking a lot about what 10 anime to put in CGDCT, and almost finished. I just need to control the quality of the old '00s anime. Does Ichigo Mashimaro really hold up, or was it just included for the novelty of CGDCT at the time, and is outclassed by stuff like Yuru Yuri today? There are some that need to be controlled like that.
Plans so far: Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star, K-On, Non Non Biyori, Sora no Woto, Tamayura. Then probably Hidamari Sketch and maybe a few others from the 2000s, when I've controlled their quality. And maybe one more post K-On one. Aria is just too different, and I'd prefer just place it in SoL, unless I need to balance numbers between the genres.

>>151911691
Have you even seen any of Kawamoto's films?

>>151911919
All but Restaurant of Many Orders

>>151911875
Stop recommending bad shows

>>151911875
>outclassed by stuff like Yuru Yuri today
No one with this mindset should be making a rec chart. You can't even remember that Ichimashi is amazing?

>>151911875
I'm not sure what you mean by overlapping but if you mean putting pictures onto of each other then it should do? I just made textboxes on a grid and image boxes on a grid. That said Ichigo Mashimaro is fantastic and outclasses almost everything else mentioned in that post.

>>151911949
And you're still not a fan? Strikes me as weird, but there's no accounting for taste. At the very least he's well regarded enough to have earned his spot on a chart like that.

>>151911868
>Gamba no Bouken will never be translated
;_;

>>151911974
I go by consensus. I didn't find Sora no Woto to be amazing, but lot of people do, it's unique, and has a tradition of being on recommendation charts, so I think it's fine. The only shows I mentioned that aren't on the OP chart are Lucky Star, Tamayura and Yuru Yuri. And I never said Yuru Yuri is amazing, it was just a comparison for the possible quality of Ichigo Mashimaro. Lucky Star is still a good show, and also had a significant cultural impact. Which is also something that plays in, in addition to quality. Otherwise, Gundam 79 wouldn't be on the chart. And Tamayura is good.

>>151912254
Pick the consensus of people with better taste

>>151912060
He deserves a spot but not more spots than any other artist like he has now
>>151912254
>in addition to quality. Otherwise, Gundam 79 wouldn't be on the chart
Holy shit kill yourself. 0079 rocks

>>151912254
Don't you fucking compare the influence of Lucky Star to Gundam

>>151912388
>>151912304
Charts are made based on consensus not on the opinion of special of a few snowflakes.

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>>151912495
>Charts are made based on consensus

>>151906308
Yes, it's on Google.

>>151912495
*bad charts are made based on consensus
And the consensus of who? Fucking us? Reddit? MAL? Are you serious?

>>151911355
>No Shinsekai Yori
>No Tatami Galaxy
>No Ping Pong
>No Kaiji
>No LOTGH
>a bunch of shitty movies that only get praise because they are old
Garbage pretentious chart

>>151911279
>I want to make a recommendation chart, but I haven't seen enough anime!
Then why the fuck would you make a list?

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>>151911868
There's this, which I assume is just an elaboration of the same thing? I don't speak nip.

>>151912608
It can be the consensus of /a/ or any other place, it still would hold more credibility than the opinion of one person.

>>151912634
>No Shinsekai Yori
>No Tatami Galaxy
>No Ping Pong
>No Kaiji
Anon, that chart is based on a list created before any of those aired.

>>151912388
Generic story and premise. Bad animation. Average direction. It doesn't stand out in any way. Just pick any Gundam ripoff, and it's probably better. I haven't seen it, but I bet Dragonar BTFOs Gundam in terms of quality.
I interpret the Gundam entry a bit as a general recommendation of the franchise, though. I was planning to have an area at the bottom which gives information about confusing things for different anime, like a mini Gundam guide to the good stuff and explaining how to watch Haruhi. Gundam would probably just be listed as Gundam, and telling people to read the bottom.
If I am to reduce each genre to 10 anime, can't give Gundam 5 out of the 10 mecha slots.

>>151912634
This chart predates those, also pull your head outta your ass.

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>>151912495
> Charts are made on consensus
> MFW

>>151912495
Charts are made based on the whim of whoever the fuck makes them.

>>151912673
Charts are made based on whatever the chart maker wants. But any consensus chart is bound to be horrid. Most people aren't very smart. If you try and recommend stuff based on their opinions, you're going to be recommending bad shows.

>>151912840
Right, but they are edited and the person who does It generally puts shows there regardless of his personal opinion anyway.

>>151911875
>>151911279
>I want to make the ultimate recommendation chart
>I haven't actually seen the anime I'm going to include, though, I'm just basing it on random general opinions I picked up
>also there will only be 10 anime per genre
Don't make a chart at all, it'll just be redundant trash.

>>151912902
>Most people aren't very smart. If you try and recommend stuff based on their opinions, you're going to be recommending bad shows.
>Everyone is dumb except me the post
Your posts reeks of pseudo intellectualism.

Regardless, taste is subjective. Things that you consider good or smart may be boring and shitty to someone else and you have absolute no way to prove his opinion wrong.

>>151912911
The plan was more genres, but fewer for each. Which gives a more accurate description of the anime. For example, I'd split fantasy into fantasy world with world building, and magic, like CCS and Princess Tutu. Sports may get 20 instead, unless I can find a natural way to split it.
Overall, the charts would include more anime than this one, and placed in more accurate genres. But some would have to be cut. I'm looking at Tytania.

>>151912644
Yeah thats pretty much the same thing with extra new stuff added on the end not by Inoue. Don't really like the additions post 2000 to be honest. They don't have anything about significant movements like webgen animation. Monster seems out of place not sure what Code Geass is doing there or why Trigger is a seperate branch from stuff like Diebuster and TTGL.

>>151913073
You can cry subjective all you like, but your chart will never be useful.

>>151912495
There's no point in making a chart of the "consensus." Newfags can find that out from lurking. A rec chart should come from people who've seen lots of obscure, good shit. Not a casual like you

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>>151912639
Welcome to 2017 /a/, where people want to have an opinion despite not actually knowing anything about the topic in question.

As a word of advice to chartanon who thinks he's going /a/ a favor, lurk more and watch more anime before you feel the need to share your opinion. You sound incredibly new, what with your belief that you're making the "ultimate" recommendation chart. If you'd lurked for any amount of time, you'd realize that there are already plenty of rec charts out there and ALL of them have contain the shows that you think are worthy of being recommended. I recommend that you either create a chart of "lesser-known" shows (although this would require actually watching more than 10 shows) or don't bother at all, because your notion of creating a chart by committee is incredibly misguided, not to mention redundant.

>>151906535

Do people like this actually exist? Feel like someone with this sort of taste wouldn't be on /a/ at the very least.

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>>151913138
>A rec chart should come from people who've seen lots of obscure, good shit
*tips fedora*

>>151913133
I'm not trying to make a chart though, just pointing out how clueless you are for thinking that there's any objectivity about taste in anime.

>>151913180
Yes, hello.

>>151913180
That's not an /a/ list (it's some international animators' festival poll from the 00s), but if the taste of that one fucking TMSfag who made the >>151907581 edit can exist, then nothing surprises me. Seriously, that chart is baffling on so many levels.

>>151913180
Where would they go instead? /a/ is awful but unless you've learned Japanese it's as good as it gets

>>151913222
There's nothing fedora-ish about that, nigger. Good recommendation charts include good obscure stuff, obviously. People who've seen good obscure stuff make those charts, also obviously.

>>151913243
I don't give a fuck about the philosophy behind it, bad anime is bad anime, just like Grown Ups is a bad film and socks with sandals is bad fashion.

>>151913180
I made the list from another list but have watched and enjoyed almost everything there and still come to /a/ sometimes.

>>151913266
Famicom is a nutcase.

>>151913222
2017 and elitism is now "fedora" on /a/.

Friendly reminder if you have lurked less than 2 years before posting and have under 300 anime completed (not counting movies or OVAs) then you should not be posting, let alone creating charts recommending anything to others.

>>151913172
You need to include some things that everyone have seen too. It gives validation to the more obscure ones. When people see Cowboy Bebop on the chart, they'll recognize that it's a chart that they can use. If it's nothing but obscure stuff nobody's heard about, they'll dismiss it as a hipster troll chart. You need some they know too.

>>151913243
He's right though, most people on /a/ don't have an informed enough opinion to make a meaningful contribution if you are trying to make a chart that is actually decent.

>>151912903
Which invariably results in charts nobody likes. You have to realise that charts made based on the consensus of a bunch of anons brings with it many more problems than a chart simply made by a single dedicated and experienced person.

>who knows the background of these people, how many shows/ movies/ ova have they watched?
>underrated and overlooked shows that could severly benefit from such charts get drown out in favor of shows everyone has seen
>only depicts the opinion of the anons at that time, this can change drastically over time, making the goal of an "ultimate" chart impossible
>allows for shitposting to get in your chart, again making your goal of an ultimate chart void, see Problem Child 2 and The Pest on /tv/
>allows for blind parroting since some shows will be expected to appear, whether they have stood the test of time or not

I don't know why you put such weight on charts or why you think others so, but stop.

>>151913138
charts should be aimed at newfags, why a oldfag need a chart full of obsecure fedora shit or why he would need a chart at all when he already has enough knowledge about good directors, studios, anime or the industry to look out for what he wants?

There's a good reason why charts are generally full of entry level anime that are as regarded as the vast majority of fans as being of quality, because they are aimed at people who are just getting into anime.

>>151913410
You're not really wrong (except for the easy solution of making an explicit "good lesser-known stuff" chart), but that doesn't change anything >>151913172 said. Someone with a low powerlevel making a chart full of consensus choices he's heard about is doing nothing worthwhile.

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>>151906308
>that mecha section gives me cancer

>posts a picture a do you remember love? for the tv show
>makes a separate entry for do you remember love?

>not posting the great mecha of all time aquarion evol

ishiggydiggy

>>151913450
Are you aware of how fucking rampant bad taste is in the western anime community? Old or new, most people need a lethal dose of good taste.

>>151913368

Just watch K-On like the rest of us you pretentious faggot

>>151913620
I love K-On it isn't incompatible.

>>151911178
Why, so people can be tricked into watch the shittiest genre in anime?

>>151913329
Nope, those are just arbitrary opinion based on personal perspective, logic and preferences. Try again
>>151913427
I agree with you, but not for the reasons he gave. People need to have seen a good number of shows to be able to make a helpful chart that covers a lot of genres, but they do not need to have some specific kind of opinion or ''intelectuality'' like he was implying.

>>151913598

>most people need a lethal dose of my taste

fixed desu ne

>>151913450
The vast majority of people who've been on /a/ more than five years could still stand to be recommended some lesser-known good shit, anon. You could lurk /a/ for years without hearing about most of the things on >>151906535 or the "obscure" section of >>151907506, for example, and most people would not accumulate totally-exhaustive knowledge of the industry that would allow them to magically sniff out everything.

>>151913620
K-On is excellent, I think anyone who likes that kinda stuff would like it too.

>>151913685
>Nope, those are just arbitrary opinion based on personal perspective, logic and preferences. Try again
Not him, but you're right, and he's right. They're totally subjective, but who gives a fuck? Subjectivity doesn't imply much of anything practically-speaking. If you enjoy Mars of Destruction and H2O, that's your opinion, but I'll still call you a nigger with bad taste and exclude you from any and all chart-making.

>>151913598
Again, this shit is not about you, it's about what most people regard as being good or being accessible to newcomers.
>Good taste
What is good taste anyway?How do you quantify that? Anime is entertainment and what will entertain you may not entertain someone else. The reasons you like a show may be the same reasons why someone dislikes it and there's no way to say that you or him are wrong, stop trying to pretend there are.

>>151913805
Not him either but I think certain people are much more likely to be able to be more objective in their choices though too. You might not have personally enjoyed show X but you should be able to appreciate that it is a classic of the medium and put it on your chart if that is what you are going for rather than a representation of your personal taste.

>>151912707
>Generic story and premise
I would tell you to go to MAL but even they're too good for you

>>151913805
>If you enjoy Mars of Destruction and H2O, that's your opinion, but I'll still call you a nigger with bad taste and exclude you from any and all chart-making.
Right, but in this case the only reason your opinion about Mars would have more weight than mine is because the anime is universally regarded as being trash, if that was not the case it would just be a case of my opinion against yours.
>>151913984
>Not him either but I think certain people are much more likely to be able to be more objective in their choices though too.
What I was and am trying to say is that when it comes to entertainment ''objective'' opinions are generally based on consensus.
>I do not like Neon Genesis Evangelion but will put in the chart anyway because I recognize It as a good anime
Nope, you will put in a chart because most hardcore fans of the medium consider to be an essential masterpiece and because you were convinced by their arguments. You just recognize It as being good because you either respect the specific elements of it or because the consensus convinced you.

You will never ''recognize'' something as being good despite your dislikeness when no one cares about It

>>151914007
What's so unique about Gundam? Isn't it pretty much the same plot as Nadesico? I don't demand something unique to think it's worthy, the most important part is that it's good. For example, K-On's setting and premise is extremely generic, but it's incredibly well made, a true masterpiece, so it's one of the clearest entries on the chart. But Gundam isn't very well made. It's just generic, with nothing that makes it stand out above other, similar anime.

>>151913968
>What is good taste anyway?
Taste I approve of. I'm not even being sarcastic, that's literally all the term can entail in any meaningful way, and there's nothing wrong about it. Stop thinking that you can't look down on anything subjective, you can.

>>151914359
>Right, but in this case the only reason your opinion about Mars would have more weight than mine is because the anime is universally regarded as being trash, if that was not the case it would just be a case of my opinion against yours.
If I'd never heard anyone else's opinions on the show, and had no clue how it was regarded except by me, and you said you liked it, I'd still call you a faggot and kick you out of chartmaking, because that's MY opinion. This attempt to eliminate the individual from the process is dumb as fuck.

>>151913984
>it is a classic of the medium and put it on your chart

This is one of the worst things you can do for your chart. If you are going to put a show on it, it'd better be for better reasons than "it's considered a classic so I guess I should continue the tradition of parroting this". "Objectively" considering a show for a chart is looking at what a show does right, irregardless of your enjoyment. Quality of animation, function of animation, editing, character development, character depth, sound incorperation, etc. Looking at a show from the perspective of a creator and breaking it apart to see what it does right and wrong. That is the only proper way to "objectively" consider a show for a chart.

>>151914359
>You will never ''recognize'' something as being good despite your dislikeness when no one cares about It
Sorry but you are wrong. You can dislike something and still appreciate that it has been made well and understand why it would appeal to someone who likes that kind of thing unless you lack any self-awareness and skills of self reflection at all.

>>151914453
>Objectively" considering a show for a chart is looking at what a show does right, irregardless of your enjoyment
I was using classic of the medium as shorthand for that I can see how it is unclear though. You've said more eloquently what I was trying to say both here
>>151914498
and in the post your responded to.

>>151914429
>Taste I approve of.
Meaning that it's not good taste but just your taste?Right, thanks for proving my point.

>Stop thinking that you can't look down on anything subjective, you can.
Never said that. I constantly trash shows I dislike, which does not mean I think my opinion about the subject is almighty. You can give proper arguments and explain the reasoning behind your dislikeness without making yourself look like a teenager who wants to feel special about his opinion.

>I'd still call you a faggot and kick you out of chartmaking, because that's MY opinion.
You have every right to do that, but the way you're talking about is different from your earlier posts. Now you're acknowledging that your taste is your own and not some objective measurement of quality.

>>151914804
>Meaning that it's not good taste but just your taste?Right, thanks for proving my point.
No, the terms are literally synonymous, is what I'm saying. "Good taste" is a completely subjective claim.

> You have every right to do that, but the way you're talking about is different from your earlier posts
I think you're turned around; as I mentioned, I'm not the first guy.

>>151914498
>You can dislike something and still appreciate that it has been made well
Being made well means nothing to you in this case though. You still think it's trash despite how it's made and that's what matters.
>why it would appeal to someone who likes that kind of thing
Anything may appeal to someone, stating that It may appeal to someone else changes nothing about your opinion on said thing, It just proves my point.

>any self-awareness and skills of self reflection at all.
Again proving my point. You're basically saying that you just recognize It as being good due to the work being appealing to other people.

>>151906308
I have seen over 2000 different shows, not counting OVAs, specials, movies, etc. But I have only seen half of these, I am doing it wrong?

>>151915079
Depends on which half. Unless you're hardcore into "animation" and not "anime" I wouldn't expect that. Plus availability in the west is an issue.

>>151907965
>hows only /a/ watched
newfag

>>151915079
You're probably just watching seasonal anime

>>151915054
>Being made well means nothing to you in this case though.
It means nothing to you in terms of you liking it but it can certainly mean something to you if you are trying to objectively consider somethings value by minimising the influence of your own subjective opinion. Some things are just plain trash in all areas and you will think there is not much value in that even outside of my opinion pick any random throway season garbage people will forget a week after it airs for example. Then some things you might not have enjoyed for some personal reason "I couldn't get into it" or whatever but anyone who can't recognise the overwhelming value of the craft in a show like Gosenzosama Banbanzai for example just isn't fit to be evaluating.

I am not skilled enough at anime to be able to tell that something I don't like is well made. If it's boring, it's boring. That's why consensus is useful, if you are not very skilled at watching anime and you actually recognize how the direction works, when you are making recommendation charts. I found Kara no Kyoukai to be extremely boring all the way through, I had to force myself to every minute. But I see people praising it, and I see it on other recommendation charts, so I know it'd be a major oversight to omit it.

There is one excption, though, where I can see that something I dislike is good, and that's terrible morals. I don't see the awful lessons as good, but if I overall like the anime, I'll say it's good even if I end up hating it. One anime I'm working on is Earth Maiden Arjuna, which is well made, but I hate the anti abortion and the teansphobic messages. Now and Then Here and There was also very good, but the anti abortion scenes detracts. Not enough to mske me hate it, though.

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>>151915188
Been watching seasonal anime since the 90's, so yeah.

>>151915150
Well, crappy pic related.

>>151915751
Do you live in Japan? How were you watching seasonal anime in the 90s?

>>151915316
>objectively consider somethings value by minimising the influence of your own subjective opinion.
And how exactly would do that if not by consensus or personal perspective?Like for example, if you say that a anime is good because it's unique despite you not personally liking It, that would just show me that you either personally values originality or you value originality because the consensus values originality.

>Then some things you might not have enjoyed for some personal reason "I couldn't get into it" or whatever but anyone who can't recognise the overwhelming value
Again, what will determine if you value said work is either consensus or personal perspective. Do you value a work with a intricate story?Then you will value something with a intrincate story despite you disliking It for whatever reason. Looking by the consensus perspective, you will value because the general opinion is that works with intrincate stories should be praised, so you praise it regardless of your opinion.

>>151915831
You are a moron. Seriously. You are acting as if all you can say is "I like this" or "I don't". You can say all of these things about this show were good but I didn't like thing X so I don't really enjoy it myself but I can appreciate it did all those other things well.

>>151906308
>3 Gundams on the list
>Z is not one of them
Well that's just retarded. Also, Origins, Unicorn and now Thunderbolt need to be there too.

>>151915751
You've missed a lot of good ones.

>>151915777
Locomotion. Also TV had lots of anime airing at the time, not counting the VHS. Maybe it wasn't "seasonal" but it was pretty much on the same time.

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>>151906308
>comedy
>no nichibros
go back to tumblr faggot

>>151915918
>You are acting as if all you can say is "I like this" or "I don't
Nope, you can still explain and give proper arguments to support your opinion, but your opinion will be always your opinion, there's no such thing as objective taste. Also, I just explained what drives people to say they think something is good despite personally disliking it, it's STILL based on personal opinion or consensus opinion, even if the person saying it thinks otherwise.

>You can say all of these things about this show were good
You think they are good due to either personal opinion or consensus, as I already stated.

>but I can appreciate it did all those other things well.
It did things you or the consensus value well*

>>151916120
If you can appreciate a show did a lot of things well and still dislike it then it is easy to see how you can put it on a recommendation chart despite your overall subjective opinion, thus removing yourself from it and becoming more objective. Forming a subjective opinion isn't some kind of additive rational thing where you measure up one side or the other. Forming an objective opinion is moving towards that more. Everything is obviously going to be painted by subjectivity to some extent, some people wouldn't be able to spot something that is technically well animated if they tried for example, but you can try to be more objective by minimising the impact of your personal bias on the judgement of everything within the show and trying to take it for what it is.

>>151916120
Where did you get the impression that people want to know your subjective opinion? Stop talking.

The original Astro Boy is too good. But lacks a lot of subs.

>>151916120
>Nope, you can still explain and give proper arguments to support your opinion, but your opinion will be always your opinion
What a brilliant deduction. Are you autistic, by any chance? Not that anon but you've been so hung up on this "objective taste" and "the concensus" argument for so long that it's ridiculous. Yes, opinions are subjective, we get it, it doesn't bear repeating over and over, you're not convincing him of your argument or vice versa.

Anyways, it's much more complex than just "hurr the consensus" or "hurr opinions". Some of the posts in this thread make me wonder how it's even possible to share a board with such delusional minds.

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Despite that one misguided fucking sperg who thinks he can make a chart by committee for an industry he's not familiar with whatsoever, I do feel like I've seen a lack of charts and recommended content around the last four or five years. I feel like a lot of the stuff that got me deeper into the hobby was from a good chart I found somewhere that said to watch everything from GaoGaiGar to Kaiba to Lucky Star. They're a useful tool, and I do think they're a good resource, though I also do paradoxically agree that newfags should lurk and figure some of this shit out themselves.

Besides, this is the only real chart you need anyway. Can you imagine people don't even know who he is anymore? I do wish someone would go the extra mile and watch EVERY one of his videos so we can see the totality of his opinons, because sifting through them sucks with those GranDadjokes he always titles them with.

>>151915751
>Not watching DMC
Nigga you are missing out

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Pic related is the only one I have with an actual timestamp on it. Should probably have half of a line added for the past 5 years.

>>151916463
I've never really liked that chart. Everything just seems so obvious. Good for newfags though.

>>151906308
Where's Sword Art Online?

>>151916524
It's sort of why I want someone to make a full 250+ project. Maybe I will if I ever learn to edit images outside of paint, but I doubt it.

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>>151916519

Pic related is stronger list, imo. But it's a year older.

>>151916449
I don't get why he can't see that there are other ways to consider things than just "your opinion" or "consensus". Most people with regular brain function very much have the power of imagination and the ability to consider things from other peoples points of view.

>>151916644
These lists are always so western.

>>151916644
>Remember there's no such thing as "bad titles" just "different tastes"
Where did it all go so wrong

I'm of the personal opinion that instead of asking for recommendations of any sort, people should pull up seasonal charts like those on AniDB where you can go all the way back to the literal stone age of anime and just pick whatever. I don't think cherry picking is the ideal way to enjoy this medium simply because it tends to lead to a black and white view of 'good anime' and 'bad anime'. And since taste is subjective, what one person might think is a 10/10 series might be a mediocre snooze fest to someone else. The only way you can truly hone your opinion making skills is to experience the bad as well as the good.

As an offhanded example, I watched Deen's version of Fate/Stay Night when it was still fresh off the presses and I thought it was a pretty meh anime that didn't exactly do the story justice. I'm currently watching UFO Table's adaption and its leaps and bounds above what Deen churned out years ago. I don't think I'd appreciate this version of the story quite the way I do if I hadn't watched the much worse version of it beforehand.

Essentially what I'm saying is that people should form their own opinions based on their own personal experiences instead of relying on someone else who has a fundamentally different taste than you to tell you whats good (and by extension, whats bad). If you try to limit yourself only to whats widely considered good anime, you'll never actually know WHY its a good anime.

Okay, I'm the person who wanted 10/genre.
I decided to make a rough plan for how my genres look so far, based on the OP chart.
Haven't decided how to change everything yet.

10 anime/genre
Remove movies for more space
>Action
>SoL
>>CGDCT
>Mecha
>Romance
>Fantasy worlds
>Magic
>Sci-fi
>Urban fantasy/supernatural
>Comedy
>>Meta
>Space Opera
>Mystery
>Drama (realistic)
>Plot (the more plot and setting focused ones like Wolfs Rain) / possibly dystopian or post apocalyptic or somethibg
>Psychological/rename to philosophical
Possibly something intended for battle shounen esque anime, things in that vein

>>151917064
Aren't you this guy? >>151911279
>>151911875
>One plan was to make CGDCT its own genre under SoL, and have only 10 anime in each genre.
>I want to make a recommendation chart, but I haven't seen enough anime!
Please don't bother making a chart if you don't know what you're talking about.

>>151916287
Because what I'm saying isn't based on taste. It's a statement based on simple logic. You do not need to care about what I say though
>>151916285
The proper word you're looking for is convincing, not objective. Some opinions and especially the way people express those opinions may be more convincing than others, thus giving said opinions the illusion of them being objective statements, or better saying making other people believe that said opinions are objective statements. Either way the point is that's impossible to distance oneself from its opinion or the consensus opinion regardless of what you think, and this is coming from one of the biggest devil's advocates you will argue with.

>but you can try to be more objective by minimising the impact of your personal bias
That's one of the biggest illusions people have when talking about reviews and analysis of works of fiction. Your bias or other people's bias will always affect your judgment even if you don't realize. You can make an analysis that looks unbiased , but you can't never make it really unbiased.

The rest of what you said is just answered in my previous posts.
>>151916449
>t for so long that it's ridiculous.
Well, because people can't accept the simple fact that their opinions are not special and don't hold more credibility than others, just look at this thread. You complain that I said a simple fact but yet you and everyone else can't help but try to argue with me about, it's hilarious.
> we get it, it doesn't bear repeating over and over
So why don't you accept and stop arguing with me?If I'm so obviously right, why there's so many people trying to disagree with me?

>you're not convincing him
The fact I'm not convincing him or anyone here changes nothing about anything I said.

>Anyways, it's much more complex than just "hurr the consensus" or "hurr opinions".
It's not if you actually have a clue on what those things really mean.

>>151917232
They are all me.
Actually putting the chart together is still a few years into the future, but it's something I like to think about and plan out, and also a good motivation for watching more anime and trying to search out things. I probably have a good enough overview of consensus to put together a passing chart already, at least if I don't demand a specific number for each genre and copy a bit from other charts, but I want to put some more work into it first. It's just something that's fun.

>>151916702
>Most people with regular brain function very much have the power of imagination and the ability to consider things from other peoples points of view.
It's funny that you basically agree with me here and don't even realize

>your opinion" or "consensus".
You don't really get what those things mean. Maybe It would better to argue about what they mean and then you would understand what I am trying to say.

I've always wanted to make a rec chart by decade starting from the 70's but I'm only at 500 series seen so far. Maybe one day when I'm at 2k+ I'll feel more confident in making a good chart that doesn't miss anything.

>>151915751
>he hasn't seen monster

>>151907506
boy that's a biiiig chart. We could really use some newer manga charts. With actually completely scanlated shit.

>>151917760
I don't think the people who make these sort of big recommendation pictures have actually seen all of the anime in them anyway. The /a/ charts have always been a group effort, and I've seen some people admitting that they haven't seen all of the things they recommend.

>>151917398
No I am not talking about being convincing at all. I am talking about consciously stepping away from your own person opinion through self reflection to appreciate elements of a show and give proper recognition to them despite your own personal preferences. You can't be unbiased I never said you can, but you can actively minimise your bias.

>>151917600
I get exactly what they mean. There are just other ways of thinking about things other than "your opinion" and "the general opinion". Holy fuck if you want to be super autistic about it you can say even "the consensus" is just your opinion because it is based on your subjective interpretation of what the general opinion is.

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>>151918128
We have newer manga charts, though I don't think any are limited to finished scanlations exclusively.

>>151912644
I know Gekiga but what constitutes a 'Highly Dense' manga? Seems like the chart itself doesn't even know having the question mark over 'Realistic' for both.

>>151918140
Well I want to make a different kind of rec chart I guess. And only of translated stuff. I should probably just make a collage on AB I guess and then let somebody else do the chart. My backlog for the 80's and 90's is pretty large right now anyway.

>>151918226
I don't know what "Highly Dense" means, but it's talking about anime, not manga. Which also makes me question what "Gekiga style" means.

>>151918181
Yeah I've seen that one, but it's not exactly like the other charts, this is more pertaining to shit that got picked up, not even completed. And some of them have already been dropped. Still cool chart some really great manga on that chart, just wish there were more of these charts.

>>151911868
It'd be neat to have the Japs get together and come up with a comprehensive canon for their animation industry. Its development is super interesting but there aren't many resources for westerners.

>>151918226
That bottom part is a list of animators not mangaka. It's talking about animation becoming more that way. The "Realistic" part is referring to the realistic movement in animation that really got going with the likes of Takashi Nakamura and ended up with kinds of animation done of films like GiTS or Jin-Roh in some respects or the work done by Yuasa/Shinya Ohira on THE Hakkenden in others.

>>151918295
Highly dense is talking about the number of drawings I believe.

>>151918348
That is kind of what these
>>151911355
>>151906535
Are based on, the Laputa 2003 list voted on by Japanese animators.

>>151918295
Gekiga was a manga style that wanted to stand out from the shit that was out at the time which was all very kiddie and disney like, both in art and in content. Like Tezuka's.

So then came along various artists that were tired of that shit and made the manga equivalent of what the west refers to 'graphic novels'. More realistics, serious and many art styles and more serious and heavy content and themes as well.

>>151918442
Yeah, my doubt was about the difference between Gekiga and Highly Dense but if you say its about the number of drawings then I guess that makes some sense.

>>151918454
Not really, while the Laputa list was certainly biased towards anime it didn't have the goal of artistically defining it, you know what I mean?

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>>151918522
I'm honestly not sure what Gekiga style is in animation. I get what manga style is. Maybe they are just talking about the industry moving towards more adult material to animate? Before the 1980s most anime being made was very child orientated.

>>151918548
Then this is probably the most interesting thing around or you can take a look at the sakuga wiki's list of shows?
http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/100.html

>>151918171
>I am talking about consciously stepping away from your own person opinion
You will only give proper recognition to elements that either you or the consensus considers of value, why is that so hard to understand?Let's say there's a anime with amazing characters and artstyle but you happen to hate It for a bunch of different reasons, so you come out and say ''I hate anime X but recognize that it is good due to its incredible characters and artstyle!'', in this case you only say that the anime is good despite your dislike because good characters and artstyle are a elements that you or other people give value. You're not distancing yourself from your personal perspective or from other people's perspective, you're just embracing them in a different way.
>But I can recognize that something I like is bad even without talking with other people about it
Irrelevant, you will still base your judgment on what is generally considered a work of value, so for example if a movie has a bad story, acting and cinematography but you still like It, you will only say that's bad despite your ''opinion'' because the movie apparently fails at things that the consensus considers as essential or being of value. Again you are not stepping away from your opinion/perspective or from the perspective of others, you're just embracing them in a different way.

>but you can actively minimise your bias.
Minimizing your bias is just doing what I said above and in previous posts or taking other people's views into account, which again is no different from what I said. I am and especially was pretty used to ''minimize'' my bias and taking the position of the supposed neutral/objective post, so believe me when I say you will realize this is a bunch of bullshit once you take time to reflect on the matter.

>>151918548
No idea what you talking about.

>>151919396
That's okay

>>151918171
>Holy fuck if you want to be super autistic about it you can say even "the consensus" is just your opinion because it is based on your subjective interpretation of what the general opinion is.
We're making progress, that's pretty spot on. There's nothing autistic about this or what I said because it's simply the truth.

>>151919371
>You will only give proper recognition to elements that either you or the consensus considers of value, why is that so hard to understand?
Because its false. Had enough of your autism now. Don't bother responding because I won't.

>>151919521
Good because you did a pretty poor job at explaining how I am wrong and just proved my point a bunch of times without even realizing it.
>you're autistic hurr durr
Trademark of anons who can't support their points properly and can't bear that someone just crushed their view.

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>>151907581
The world may never know

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>>151920140
>I ended up in Kaiji
Looks like I have good taste