I was worried that this will be just random episodic bullshit

>>151880029
sadly not even in my top 3

>>151880029
It was fucking shit.

>>151880081
For me it's up there with Rakugo, Mob Psycho and Luluco.

>>151880029
>the ending was great
not even trying anymore

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>>151880109

>>151880167
Please stop.

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>>151880029
>Why did he spin?

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>The eternal thread has flipped its flaps
What a fun ride it was.

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>>151880382
What fluffs up must smooth down

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It was yuri so it was fine

>>151880029
It's AOTY

>>151880029
This show ended up bad because it got too muddled down in it's "plot". The show was way more interesting for the first 8 episodes or so when it was about visiting cool new places and character development. Near the end, all we got was a rip off of End of Eva and rushed back stories. Also, a lot of the symbolism from early on never went anywhere (Papika and Cocona sitting in their snow fort that looked like a skull, the blood rain in the time loop world).

desu the first 8 episodes of this show were some of my favorite episodes of anime of all time, but then it just got boring.

>>151880029
>but the ending was great.
>theme-focused story and some good character development.

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>>151880192
>le rigged botnet poll

>>151880382
I miss Cocona's fluff.

>>151880507
You didn't like episode 9? Personally, I put right alongside the first 8 episodes.

>>151880507
Maybe you just didn't get the thematic point of the story?

>>151880228
please stop living

>>151880029
It was an alright show until the last 2 episodes. Then it turned to shit.

>>151880029
>but the ending was great
that's some really weak bait
2/10 made me reply

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>>151880610
Actually that reminds me: has anybody else noticed that Cocona's hair always fluffs up reflexively when she's distressed? It's like a lizard's frill poofing up to warn predators

>>151880029
why can't japs ever end their fucking shows properly?

>>151880640
It was good, but it was the first episode I watched that I felt didn't stand on it's own. I did like that it gave the twins more personality and the fight between Yayaka and Cocona was really good.

>>151880656
That it's a coming of age story? I think they should have focused more on Cocona's relationship with Papika rather than have Mimi show up as antagonist..

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>>151880743

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>>151880597
>the election was rigged

>>151880029
wtf are those eyes?
they're bigger than her ears
never nuke japan, ever again

Haven't seen this one posted here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtuLniq1Qjg

It's meh. I like Serendipity more.

Sorry for blogging, but I've been telling you guys about how I felt watching this over the last few days. I watched episodes 10-13 today and I have to say I'm pleasantly suprised. You guys made it sound like it was going to get bad after episode 9, but in my opinion these last 4 episodes really brought the whole thing together. I thought Mimi's struggle was actually really sad and heartwarming, and the theme that arose in those last few episodes actually pulled the whole plot together nicely.

The ending was shit.

>>151880922
Thanks for posting the full version.

Find the wind > *

>>151882080
>I watched episodes 10-13 today and I have to say I'm pleasantly suprised.
0/10 bait

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>>151882080
What did you think about Nyunyu?

>>151882080
Were you the guy that wasn't happy about how they kept losing and weren't scoring shards?

I figured you'd like the last few episodes. They do help to pull all of the episodic adventures together and make them feel like they all mattered in a bigger picture kind of way.

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>>151882125
Nah, the ending was great.

>>151882203
Nah, the ending was shit.

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>>151882225

>>151882203
why is cocona so sleepy?

>>151882225
I'm glad we could come to an agreement then, that the ending was great.

>>151882080
>You guys made it sound like it was going to get bad after episode 9
That's mostly shitposting and memery, though with some genuine opinions hidden among the shit.

>>151882203
>posts cute girls
>>151882225
>doesn't post cute girls
I think we know who won this round.

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>>151882285


>>151882288
Why yes, the ending is shit indeed.

>>151882148
She was cute, although I was kind of suprised that Salt and that girl and computer guy just kinda accepted her. Still, I guess she showed up late to the party so it's not like they knew she was out to get them. And they didn't have shards and she didn't have any orders so it all worked out.

>>151882161
Yeah that's me. I thought about what an anon said last night about being too focused on the destination and not the journey and it made a lot of sense. In the end, I guess being too worried about the shards ended up not being a big deal. Like a lot of things in life, things tend to work themselves out whether you get worked up or not so it's better to just go with the flow and take life as it comes instead of letting every little setback ruin your day.

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>>151882429
I loved the fact that she had this "I'm gonna be the very overpowered last boss who has no real emotions" but then she just turned out to be that harmless very sexy, adorable little loli who hanged out with them for no reason.

>>151882568
>tfw she'll never hanged out with you for no reason

>>151882568
Nyunyu is a violent murder loli, do not be deceived.

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>>151882287
It's pretty normal to get a little droopy after completely emptying your pent up nutbladder into the welcoming womb of a loving lesbian liaison.

Cocona probably hasn't a release like that since the awkward wet dream on the boat when she first turn 13.

>>151882641
the only thing she'll be murdering is this dick

>>151882672
>Nyunyu will never practice her Keijo moves on your cock.

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>>151882641
Frankly speaking, I wouldn't mind it from her.

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>Cockona

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>>151882844
>Papicunt

So some well animated yurifag trash, right?

>>151883544
Man, if this is trash then I want to live in a dumpster.

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More like Flip Floppers

>>151883544
Well animated until the last two episodes

>>151880743
Mimi x Cocona doujins when

>>151880029
I thought the first 8-9 episodes were just okay at best, random with no real direction and the rest after that were good with a bit of actual plot.

Overall it didn't make my top 3 of the season or top 10 for the year. A solid 7/10 anime though regardless.

For a show heavily dependent on the relationship between the two mains, I found their interactions to be pretty stale and uninteresting and kinda killed the show for me from the start.
Episode 5 though was in a league of its own and I'm surprised it isn't more popular.

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>>151883982
>>151884134

How do you sensible non-shitposting detractors always manage to be so late?

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>>151884134
5 was one of the best but it's in an awkward place.
Mecha and scifi geeks love the fuck out of 8 because of the aesthetic and the awesome cheesy 80's insert song accompanying the fights.
General action enthusiasts love 3 more than 5 because it had more action and more of an animation focus.

Yurifags love the actual Cocopapi episodes like 4, 7 and 13.

and people who like general directing/framing/visual presentation and emotional tension tend put 6 over 5.

5 is my second favourite of all the episodes but I think the only reason it isn't rated higher is because it does everything well instead of having 1 particular quality that resonates with a particular viewer.

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>>151884249
>calling literal "not even in my top 3" sensible non-shitposting.
Mimi, switch with Mimi. We need to talk.

>>151880029
The exposition was rushed. Needed to be 1 cour of PI adventures with character development and subtle exposition, and then 1 cour with PI adventures and increasing amounts of exposition between them until it all comes tumbling down.

>>151884420
We don't get too many 2-cour anime these days, and looking at FF sales, perhaps for a good reason.

That being said, I do think 1-cour is terrible for most anime.

>>151884480
FF was doomed because it was too experimental and didn't have any big name/studio behind it. The lack of publicity combined with the poor presentation due to being crammed was a recipe for disaster.

Luckily the director is getting a second chance with one of Yuasa's upcoming projects, so maybe he'll hit it off and make enough to create Rebuild of Flip Flappers.

>>151884852
>Yuasa
>making a hit anime
Since when? Maybe his family film could sell.

>>151884362
My apologies, I did actually have it in my top 3 for the season behind Hibike2 and Shakunetsu.

>>151882148
Pointless saving throw by the studio to get the pedo audience.

>>151882148
I like that she has a literal Chekhov's gun.

>>151884852
FF being crammed during its last 3 episodes is a non-factor, considering we knew FF wasn't going to sell well since week 1.
In fact, sales went up a bit after the final episode.

The main reasons for it not having done well, other than not being an Aniplex anime or being made by a well-known studio, is that the overall cast is unknown as well (from the director, to the VAs of the main characters). To that you have to add the poor marketing made to promote it.
The biggest issue being that FF was competing with a lot of popular and considerably anticipated anime.

>>151880029
>FliFla
>character development
Please don't make me laugh.

Rakugo tomorrow. Finally a good anime to air to distract me from FlipFlap

>>151880029
I'm like 20 threads behind, let me catch up first.

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I'm still a salty PapiCoco fag. Yayaka is a likeable character and all but I wish she had died in episode 9 or fade into the background more after her own episode. I felt cheated by the last 4 episodes. Yuniko was excellent at developing PapiCoco's dynamic and the first 6 episodes were extremely unique and charming, as well as episode 7 to 9. They hold a special place in my heart.

The choppier animations of 10 was not that bad because the pacing and sprinkle of drama/suspense was still good. However, the last 3 episodes felt very insulting when watching them along side with the brilliant first half. This could have been my AOTY but thanks to this final mess Pandora stays the best for me. At least it was unique and it never forget what it was, despite having much inferior production value, and even so it never got as sloppily animated.

PapiCoco still holds a special place in my heart and I will keep looking out for their content but I'm not overall too satisfied with FLFL. It could have been a masterpiece but alas, it disappoint at the last minute. I did have a lot of fun though, especially at the beginning, so kudos to them.

>>151888186
What do you think was wrong with the last 3 episodes?

Also, Yuniko didn't write episode 4 you stupid fucking faggot.

>>151888186
Your opinion is as worthless as my existence

>>151888186
Can anyone finish a criticism to this show without using the words "really feeling," "sadly," "top 3," or "alas?"

I don't think it's possible.

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Its totally got first place for worst mom.

>initial v1 sales: 1.5k
No one enjoyed it. Threads were spammed by the same 50~ anons trying to get other people to watch an anime that had no substance.

IBO threads had more uniques than FlipFlap.

>>151888418
I enjoyed it so fuck you

>>151888278
My thoughts are very similar to the anon who was interpreting the creative differences between Yuniko and Oshiyama. However, I'm not a huge anime fan who knows a lot about different directors so I don't want to comment too much on that. Basically I feel that the change in narrative is extremely apparent and sloppy, which is unfortunate.

Also episode 4 was the only one she wasn't involved in. It doesn't change the fact that her vision for PapiCoco's relationship was very clearly shown through the first half of the show and it's a shame that this was later sidelined for the "plot".

>>151888278
>>151888324
No need to be so dismissive. It's not like I'm shitposting or anything. Just stating my opinion as someone who's also very emotionally invested in the show is all. I welcome all constructive responses to my posts.

>>151888434
That's your choice.

Patrician taste is acquired, not gifted. You'll learn. I believe in you!

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>>151888359
>worst mom
>knew her daughter was a lesbian from conception and then conspired to ship her with prime Papicunt
If only all mothers could be so great.

>>151888469
>to the anon who was interpreting the creative differences between Yuniko and Oshiyama
Oshiyama wrote episode 7 though which you claim to love.

>>151888469
>It doesn't change the fact that her vision for PapiCoco's relationship was very clearly shown through the first half of the show and it's a shame that this was later sidelined for the "plot".
Her 'vision' is laughable, since Yuniko is all into Class S in order to sell yuri nowadays.

So if Yuniko had directly written the scripts to the last few episodes, we probably wouldn't have even gotten a mutual confession.

Anyway, nothing was sidelined for the "plot". The plot had been built up since literally episode 1. Even episode 6 was all about the Mimi shit. You do realize Yuniko helped Oshiyama plan out the whole thing including the ending right?

>>151888418
This. It's sad, really.

I'm convinced he's insane
https://twitter.com/somekindofthing/status/817241897504768001

>>151888504
Patrician taste is a birthright and it appears that you have not received it. You can at least partially redeem yourself if you cast aside your shit taste. That might prove difficult for a pleb like you though.

>>151888469
The show was planned to go the way it did from the beginning the same plot would have been there with or without Yuniko writing. Yuniko and Oshiyama did composition together. Everything important was already decided when the new writer came in.

>>151888418
Dumb kid the threads regularly had 120〜150 posters.

>>151888555
Why are you cherrypicking what I said? I did mention that I liked Yuniko's writing in FLFL more and I did like the non-Yuniko parts as well before they decided to go full hardcore with the "plot". The "plot" isn't bad, it's the sloppy execution and questionable screen time dedication that hurt the show.

Also Yuniko said she has accepted subtext yuri in order to help the genre gain more steam in the mainstream media. She is still very much a yuri fundamentalist. And it's understandable too. Even YoI couldn't explicitly show the two guys kissing despite yaoi having a much larger market. I don't blame her for that. It's only rational to understand one's position in the grand scheme of things and adapt to it in order to become more relevant.

>>151888710
Like I said above, it was the execution that was problematic. Also Yuniko did say she couldn't understand the show very well when she watched the episodes made after she left, which shows a disconnect in artistry between the writers.

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>>151888770
I tought people were making a good job at not replying but you had to go and do it

>>151888770
Yeah for IBO. Thank you for keeping track.

>>151888418
>No substance.
You mean no otaku loser's prior fictional masturbation to draw in a rabid fanbase with.

I can't believe you faggots are still discussing this 10/10 masterpiece

>>151888909
No, they are discussing Flip Flappers.

>>151888909
Some anons can't let go

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>>151888959
I can't find any fanfiction and I'm still too empty inside to write any.

>>151880656
>super-important character slotted in with zero foreshadowing and a backstory episode right in the thick of the action
Nah, it was clumsily written.

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>>151888909
>10/10 masterpiece
It really is, don't post comments like that lightly.
I'm only still here because there's no new show to tongue-post in yet

>>151888785
There is no justification for thinking the screen time would be any different. It's funny the nips seem to think the exact opposite sales started picking up when the plot episodes came in and after the ending went higher than ever before.

>>151889025
>I can't find any fanfiction
There's a whole set of papicoco futa ones.

>>151889088
I think it's more than the thematic point you've missed.

>>151889088
>super-important character slotted in with zero foreshadowing
Who the fuck are you talking about? I sure hope it's not Mimi.

>>151889124
My favorite was the short PapiCoco peanut butter one some anon did back in one of the older threads.

>>151889088
>Mimi
>zero foreshadowing
wew buddy you may want to rewatch if something so obvious flew over your head

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>>151880029
Papika was the easily most memorable girl of last season. There really is no doubting that.

>>151889169
>rewatch
>those tedious drama issues
no thanks ma'am

>>151889170
Chitose Karasuma

where's the porn

>>151888278
>>151888469
Ep 4 was done by a friend and familiar colleague of Yuniko's. Her style is very similar to Yuniko so it's not very useful to focus on this difference.

>>151889184
You can rewatch the first 4 episodes then. Almost no plot drama and the foreshadowing is obvious if you pay attention. But that would just take up shitposting time, wouldn't it?

>>151880029
So this is it? Now all FF threads will be falseflags? Sad.

>>151889295

nice

>>151889279
It was so obvious it needed an entire nearly sakuga-free episode to beat it into us what it really meant. It was a bucket of cold water in the face after the Sempai episode.

>>151889268
Have you not been to these threads before?

>>151889268
Not popular, not sales, not good.

>>151889295
>litter of puppies
I hate this meme more than Cockona.

>>151889112
Because Nips like dramatic plots. Madoka is one of the few successful shows with yuri because of how crazy and tragic it is. Also Nips like Yayaka better so I can see partly why they like the plot-filled episodes better. It is well-known that Nips tend to have rather questionable tastes when it comes to drama-filled media versus unique and creative media.

The screen time would be different because PapiCoco would still be the main focus. Yayaka would not have gotten nearly as much screen time (as seen in the first half of the show) because she is just an important side character and PapiCoco's dynamic is the core of the show.

This is all my own opinion because I value well-developed, reasonable character relationships more than grandeur, dramatic stories. I never said that it would have sold better if it stayed episodic and comfy. It will bomb harder most likely, just look at Rolling Girls, which I quite enjoyed. I'm happy that the show is getting more sales, but I am not very happy that it had to sacrifice its unique charm to achieve that.

>>151889295
>Papika possibly being able to reject a Cocona in heat

She'd be balls deep in the cocopuss until they both faint from exhaustion and pleasure, anon.

>>151889326
Sometimes the retards need a big slap in the face when any subtlety is lost on them which seems to be the case for you.

>>151889327

Nah, but
>>>/v/362959892

>>151889268
>no dialog of substance or story of substance to make a proper doujin
Waste of good design potiential.

>>151888555
>Yuniko is all into Class S
Wrong.
>if Yuniko had directly written the scripts
Yuniko's writing of romance is superior. Mutual confession or even kiss without proper buildup is just fanservice.
>nothing was sidelined for the "plot"
Papicoco was sidelined for the plot.
>You do realize Yuniko helped Oshiyama
You're assuming too much. We've read everything.

>>151889265
Who?

>>151889326
You are quite exaggerating to be honest. The flashbacks lasted around 4 and 1 minutes each. No entire episode.

>>151880029
i enjoyed the episodic feel of the show.

Oh well.

>>151889385
He was talking about Keijo you dense fuck

>>151889373
You are assuming that the screentime would be different with no basis. Just saying "my fantasy would be true if only it were like this" when there's nothing to indicate it would have been any different. The show would have already had all the Yayaka developments planned.

>>151889381
You either do the face-slap or the subtlety. OK, say I missed the Balzac-tier weaving of plot and character and was only hanging around for frenetic action. They could have stuck with the action, stuck with the silliness, and kept you cerebral types around with the underlying subtlety. Or it could have been a drama from frame 1. The problem is the whiplash.

>>151889112
>>151889470
There were better ways to manage the screen time if there was proper care on Papicoco under Yuniko's supervision. But since Papicoco itself is not the focus of the plot and Yayaka was the fav of the whole crew, the spotlight was totally stolen.

>>151889525
You are assuming things would be different under Yuniko and how they would be different based on nothing but what you would have wanted to see happen.

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>>151889525
>unironically feeling that writer change

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>>151889454

disappointing.

>>151889476
Do you hate rollercoasters too since they throw you around and might cause a mild headache? Lighten up nigga the tone shift was fine.

>>151889550
Because things are indeed different under Yuniko? The level of subtle romance depiction that can be seen from Yuniko's portfolio is totally gone and different from Hisaya.

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>>151889454
I wasn't watching Keijo?

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>>151880029
>I was worried that this will be just random episodic bullshit till the end but the ending was great. Finally we got a more theme-focused story and some good character development.

Hell, I expected it would be random episodic bullshit and I was happy with it anyway. What a phenomenal show this turned out to be.

Definitely top 3 for 2016, along with Erased and Re:Zero.

>>151889476
>stuck with the silliness
>implying it ever stopped being silly

>>151889470
>>151889550
Even if Yayaka and her badassery were planned from the start, if the pacing and spreading of plot and information was better, it still wouldn't feel like she was stealing the spotlight away from the main characters. The plot and action was crammed into episodes so tightly that it felt that Yayaka's cool deeds were the most outstanding parts of it all.

No one is saying that Yuniko would've handled the exposition and plot better. We all know her strength is in relationship and character dynamic building. However, the moment the show opted to go full hardcore with the plot, the quality disparity starts to show. No one knew what the show would be like if Yuniko stayed until the very end, but we do know that without her and with all this heavy dramatic plot dropping, the show became less enjoyable for some people.

At the very least, we can see that if the plot was less heavy and the emphasis on character interaction and dynamic had been kept going, this enjoyment gulf in the audience would not have been this pronounced. Like >>151889634 say, the show felt different when Yuniko had more influence and when she no longer had any. This is an observable fact.

>>151889555
Though there's nothing I'm saying about if the change is better or worse. I think the writer change kind of made the styles of the show into something of two independent axes which can help with each other or cancel each other out depending on the stylish preference of the audiences.

>>151882148
Bringing her in at the end had kindof an Elfen Lied finale vibe, but I think they ultimately decided that wasn't the story they wanted to tell. They cut her bit and focused instead on Salt, Mimi, Cocona, Papika, and Yayaka--I think that's for the best.

>>151889634
Huh?

>>151889629
There was more focus on the relationship in the early stages because the characters were being established. There would always be less focus on that specific relationship when the plot came in. Nothing would be different under Yuniko.

>>151889684
Much more enjoyable for the people who actually buy the BDs though so those who actually matter.

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>>151889874
>can't criticize without buying the BDs
So, I can criticize it?

>>151889874
>if you don't buy the BDs the creators shouldn't try to please you
Boy I'm sure glad those creators are making things I don't want so I can buy it.

>>151889903
Did you send a postcard? That's also required

>>151889903
No I'm just pointing out that the people who were buying the show increased a lot when the focus shifted.

>>151889684
>PapiCocofags this mad that the third biller got decent screentime
Wew lad

>>151889940
Yes, I made three cards and sent a real postcard.

>>151889951
I'm a huge papicoco fag and I was just fine with Yayaka getting the screentime she did.

>>151889874
I am aware of that. As I said, all of this is my opinion about my enjoyment of the show. I never discussed how it might improve sales or anything. You just love to zero in on a small, often irrelevant part and hammer it into my face it seems. No need to be so condescending.

Also >>151889939. Stop being so narrow-minded.

>>151889951
Nice reading comprehension. Here's a free (You).

>>151889966
I guess I'll allow it

>>151889951
Even without getting personal with shipping you can legitimately argue to attribute much of the disapproval was caused by the shift of focus to different characters.

>>151884852
>>151884967
>>151886170

FliFla had the same problem Yuasa's Kaiba did. The episodic beginnings are amazing, and then they try to cram an entire plot into the last few episodes.

>>151890009
Except Kaiba's ending was just straight bad. The pacing issues were paltry next to the monumental issue that the ending was just trash.

Yuasa has chronic issues with trash endings. Part of me feels like he just doesn't even bother trying to pace them because he knows it's going to be shit anyways.

>>151890006
Characters besides Papika and Cocona needed development.

>>151889992
You are just being deluded and fantasising about some show that didn't exist and wouldn't have existed with Yuniko writing or not.

>>151890058
Kaiba's ending was mostly fine, it was just rushed as hell and needed another episode.

>>151889788
>characters were being established
And the characters had not finished their growth before time got stolen.
>There would always be less focus on that specific relationship when the plot came in
You just revealed your agreement that the specific relationship was not an integral part of the plot otherwise the time didn't have to be stolen.
>Nothing would be different under Yuniko.
Series composition doesn't dictate screen time. The small details in characterization was what was lost after Yuniko.

>>151890062
Side characters usurping the main characters was a mistake.

>>151890079
We have presented our side of arguments but since you don't have anything better than "the show is what it is nothing can be changed" I guess it's time to stop.

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>Hi, I'm Papika, PHD in 2nd wave feminist theory, and I'm here to explain to you why there is not nearly enough sapphic eroticism in the Japanese anime, Flip Flappers. First, observe the way Cocona's cocona rests between her....

>>151889951
Papicocofag here.
Yayaka was cool and the three main girls all had the time they deserved.
They could have removed Nyunyu though, she's completely useless.
>inb4 muh thomasson, muh Chekhov gun

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>>151890173
Continue.

>>151890083
No, it was straight up just a bad concept executed poorly.

The whole "Emperor's new clothes" style plot was a good frame for having adventures of self-discovery in a neat sci-fi world, but it wasn't an interesting story in and of itself. The ending needed substance to its final conflict, or at least a better focus. It was like it just gave up on all the things that had made it an outstanding show and said "okay here, hero beats the legendary monster and it all works out because he's a good person now the end."

Pretty much the same vibes as Mind Game but with a fraction of the eye candy

>>151890062
And even when they detract the screentime from PapiCoco and give some more the other characters, not many of them were well-developed. They didn't have enough time to flesh out Mimi more in present, not via flashbacks. That's why many found the present good-bad Mimi shifts so jarring. Sayuri had some screentime yet she remains useless and redundant. And she's not really shown doing something helpful either, unlike Hidaka. Nyunyu is a waste of space, most likely a remnant of some original idea they had that was scrapped for this new plot. Or they just want to be trolls and have a Chekhov's Gun character, which felt out of place as they were also making the story more serious at the same time. At least Salt, Toto, and Yuyu were developed enough.

>>151890090
>And the characters had not finished their growth before time got stolen.

Some even felt that Cocona's growth was regressed because of how they executed her interaction and relationship with Mimi.

>>151890122
Exactly. Yayaka has always been the better fighter but Papika was never a bumbling, useless mess when she's with/against her, yet she was completely inactive in episode 12. Yayaka had to do all of the work until the last minute where PapiCoco touched hands and One Lesbian Punch'd the big monster, which was very jarring.

>>151890173
>Feminism
Well at least she's not a filthy third wave feminist slut. Though she's probably incapable of being a hateful person in general.

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>>151890293
>Cocona's growth was regressed
That was the point.
It's a standard, universal trope of writing as old as the oldest monomyths for the protagonist to face an agon which sets them back before they rise to face the challenge and overcome it.

>>151890169
And you don't have anything better than a deluded speculation based on what you wanted to see with no basis in reality.

>>151890441
she lurks

>>151890478
>before they rise to face the challenge and overcome it
And the process of this was so rushed that it's hard to feel anything consequential.

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Reminder from the last threads when the series was still airing.

>>151890478
Yes. And I don't share that view with those who have it. My only problem with her relationship with Mimi is how rushed and sudden good Mimi's pep talk was executed. And the fact that both bad and especially good Mimi make sudden appearances everywhere makes the tension and danger of bad Mimi feel very artificial and non-immersive. Basically this >>151890529.

>>151890542
inb4
>strawpoll more like proxypoll

>>151890293
>yet she was completely inactive in episode 12.
Did you even watch the episode? Yayaka was helpless in the rabbit PI and relied on Papika to save her, and they worked together in the painter PI. The only point where Yayaka took the spotlight was against Welwitschia, which gave her the dramatic apology and henshin, the former of which was overdue closure for her character and the latter a fun action climax to cap her arc. Both characters had focus and worked together against the giant mecha.

Papika being a "useless mess" and "completely inactive" in episode 12 is blatantly untrue.

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>>151890607
Being useless is literally what is shown and intended

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>>151890665
No less useful here than Yayaka was.
They illustrated that neither character could harm the enemy and then switched tactics. Why is this something you consider a failing of the episode?

>>151890665
You need a giant robot or a /u/ltimate henshin to be anything but useless against this monster.

>>151890607
Her actions have much less animation dedication compared to Yayaka's. In that episode during the fights, Yayaka's movements had much more screen time and emphasis compared to Papika's. Just look at how half-assed the PapiCoco punch is. Papika was mainly contributing in the little PIs leading to Mimi by telling Yayaka what she knows about them, since she already experienced them. It was Yayaka that kicked her out of danger in the rabbit PI, it was Yayaka who actually managed to touch the big mecha and act as a bait for Papika to launch to Cocona in the imprisoned dicktree, etc. There's a difference between throwing a useless semen blob that can't even touch the mecha >>151890665 and hitting the mecha but failing to damage it >>151890706.

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>>151890740
>can't even touch the mecha

>>151890665
I actually like that out of the three henshins Papika is the one with the defensive weapon and is probably the weakest of the three. I don't know why they made it this way but I found it refreshing.

>>151890706
>>151890721
The point is even if you can recollect all minuscule details of what Papika has done the the episode it doesn't detract from the fact that Yayaka is getting more development four episodes in a row.

>>151890779
That doesn't even look remotely strong compared to >>151890706. Do you seriously need me to hold your hand and help you point to specific things. Despite both not being able to damage the mecha, Papika's attacks looked lame while Yayaka's looked cool.

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>>151890834

>>151890796
I had the rationalization that Papika being weaker was justified to demonstrate her perseverance. But in the final episode her character still didn't grow so I don't have more excuses.

>>151890841
What is animation, son?

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>>151890796
She has those hand bubbleblasters too.

stop flipshitposting and go watch winter shows

>>151890816
In episode 10, Yayaka got a low-key scene where she exposition dumped KKK fluff and struck a cool pose.
Papika dominated the episode with a long origin story flashback.

In episode 11, Yayaka basically didn't appear except for 2 seconds to take Nyunyu's gun, and to set up the next episode during a post-credit scene.
Papika continued to be relevant through the second part of the backstory flashback, as well as having a face-to-face confrontation with the main antagonist during the climax of the episode's focal dramatic scene.

In episode 12, both characters shared focus, with a pivotal scene centering on Yayaka, climaxing and concluding her character arc.

In episode 13, Yayaka appears in the foreground for a single scene, where she's rescued by Cocona.

Finally broke down and watched the first ep. It looks great, but really didn't do much else for me. Should I expect anything more or is that pretty much the gist of it?

>>151890947
>development
Fighting is not development. What is development?
>Ep 9, Yayaka backstory, sacrifice
>Ep 10, more Yayaka backstory, confession
>Ep 11, Gainax pose
>Ep 12, apology, henshin

>>151890857
Papikafags who had hope in the writers like me and many others had tried to mentally justify Papika's lack of development in every plot-focused episode until the very finale, and we got nothing but disappointment. She is extremely underdeveloped for a main character and that upsets me a lot. If they had never introduced her history with Salt and Mimi I would have been much more forgiving.

If they've always meant for her to be a literal puppy with simple emotions, introducing things like the bunch of children being chosen to be Mimi's partner feels like a false flag because it makes people think that they will show something about Papika's origins. We can only theorize that she was an abandoned feral child but there was literally no exploration on this. The show, not tell rule doesn't even apply here because neither was it shown or tell.

>>151890963
If you like dramatic action plotty things, you'll enjoy the later half of the show. If you like what you saw in episode 1, you'll like the first half. It is a point of contention in the fandom when it comes to this side of the show, as you can see from the various exchanging posts in these past hours.

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>>151890877
Apparently something you didn't even bother watching.

I took your lame bait to post some nice screenshots but I'm fresh out now.

>>151891025
Ok, you don't understand. The point of animation is the flow of movement. Yayaka's kick is high movement high impact. Papika's semen blob looks like a joke.

>>151891006
>a cool pose is development.
Okay.

>>151891067
Do I have to spell it out for you?
>Gainax pose: Yayaka lecturing Papika and showing even more perseverance

>>151891013
>If they've always meant for her to be a literal puppy with simple emotions
They did. This is exactly what Oshiyama envisioned for Papika (cf. the interview). Thus I concluded Oshiyama and Yuniko had different visions for the show (not implying creative differences though).

>>151891155
What would you say their different visions are, if you don't mind me asking?

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>1,5k sold

>>151891013
It's kind of silly the way you are trying to make it out as if everyone likes only one part or the other when plenty of people enjoyed both.

>>151891191
Dumb YOIposter

>>151891155
What part of episodes 1,2,3,5 or 6 ever gave you the impression that Yuniko had a vision for Papika which was different from "puppy with simple emotions?"

If anything, she became less puppy-like in later episodes, when she began to speak in something resembling full sentences and actually approached serious issues seriously instead of trying to tickle her enemies.

>>151891191
Pretty average performance for this season and previous seasons. Not that we actually have anything but estimates yet.

>>151891179
>Oshiyama: a story of Jungian interpretation of Hansel and Gretel inspired by Hayao Kawai's books with thematic messages of matricide metaphor, shadow, duality of maternity, individuation of the child from their mother. Requires focus on Mimi, Salt.
>Yuniko: a perfect yuri romance story. Requires focus on Papika and Cocona interaction.

>>151891200
I'm not and I apologize if that's what I sound like. What I mean is that many feels conflicted about that but not all do.

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>>151891228
>Requires focus on Salt
Okay, now you've made it too obvious.
6/10, you pout in more effort than usual this time.

>>151891266
Your point being?

>This one /u/ fag being this buttblasted his papicoco didn't get every single moment of screen time

>>151890963
each episode in the first half serves to grow the two main characters relationship while the second half explains the how and why things are the way they are and gives the three main character arcs their climax. I loved both equally.

>>151891211
this. I have no idea what that anon is talking about.

>>151890796
She struck me as the strongest.
Cocona has a big weapon but that's it. She's all firepower in battles where speed and precision matter, too.
Yayaka is the opposite, she has speed but low firepower. Her magical green threads seem to just be volleying the same energy used to propel her.

Papika is the only one of the 3 that's ranged but is also a melee fighter. She creates and manipulates bubble-like barriers that can be used to block attacks, cushion falls and other impacts, or be volleyed as projectiles. As projectiles, they strike individually with potentially lethal force (as seen with Toto), can be volleyed en masse, and can also be made to selectively explode as area-of-effect projectiles. She also comes equipped with a pair of additional shields that can change form, detach and function autonomously as well as a pair of guns which apparently facilitate the fast and accurate launching of her projectiles.

Her array of abilities is by far the most versatile and she has good offensive and defensive powers on top of range and the ability to saturate with multiple successive attacks. Yayaka only comes off as stronger because the difference in their experience and aptitude as fighters are so extreme, not because her henshin is better.

>>151891059
A dog is nothing without its master. A Papika is nothing without her Cocona.

>>151891211
>gave you the impression that Yuniko had a vision
I didn't imply this? What are you getting at?
All I'm saying is they have different visions and this is supported by other evidence in the interview.
Romance was great in the first half and not so great in the second half. Oshiyama having a simplistic vision of Papika is a plausible reason for this, which is why I quoted that.

>>151891454
>Romance was great in the first half
You mean like in episode 4, the one where Yuniko didn't write the script?

>>151891472
Ayumi Sekine is a close friend of Yuniko's. Check their collabs.

Yuniko did a great job with the first half and Hayashi did a good job with the second half. The episodic comfy episodes are excellent and the plot-driven finale is excellent too.

This show ended up having a lot more to offer than I expected.

>>151891472
Relationship development was better in the first half, since the first episodes had to set the dynamic up before diving into more special feelings. Romance was good in episode 5 as well. Episode 7, 8, and 9 kept it up pretty well. It was only until the PLOT hits that things started to get a bit..... different.

>>151891543
>Romance was good in episode 5 as well
There was no romance in episode 5. They were in a PI that influenced people's minds to make the behave like lesbians. All of their relationship interactions in that PI were under the thrall of the PI and they immediately reversed their behaviour as soon as they broke its spell.

Episode 5 was fun on its own, but considering the actual actions of the characters were not their own and had almost no impact on the growth of the characters, it's by far the least meaningful in the sense of their relationship. Had this show not given us a proper conclusion to their relationship, 5 would be remembered as cheap baiting. Instead it basically just gave us a sneak peak at how they'd behave with each other in another 4 episodes.

>>151891543
I feel like reiterating myself but it's not "plot" that messed up romance. It's the SaltMimi plotline which is central to Oshiyama's vision and this plotline is not well connected to the Papicoco romance plotline. People invested differently in the two plotlines and got upset by the disconnect.

>>151891623
Would the show have been better is PapiCoco was SaltMimi lite and there were less drama in their pasts?

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Why are these 14yos so slutty?

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>>151889356
>hate this meme more than Cockona

why would anyone hate >Cockona?

>>151891659
>tumblr

>>151891659
If I looked that flapulous I'd be slutty too

>>151891653
I don't want to talk about what ifs now with all episodes finished, but after ep 10 I imagined some kind of parallel story between Papicoco and SaltMimi which could strengthen dramatic conflicts and characters. Oh well.

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>>151891894
That's what I wanted too honestly. Well we can't change what has already been done now.

>>151891659
They're not slutty. They're just being chuuni.

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Who >shipped here?

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>>151889966
I recognize you.

Why does Papikana still insist thinking she's a middle schooler?

So how was Mimi actually foreshadowed? I kind of missed that.

>>151893582
She's in the OP and Cocona's dream sequences, both from episode 1.

So, they always were on one of the layers of the imaginative world or what?

>>151893062
I wish, 2 of my preorders are combined as the whole set, i won't be getting shit for months and my single volumes for first-press bonuses still havent shipped yet because i bought from different stores.

>>151893062
I'd love to order it, but fucking Europe is in a different Bluray region.

So what were the themes and main message of the story? I kind of got immersed in the settings and animation that I don't think I caught on to that.

>>151893820
That letting go of the past is the way to go, instead of becoming a jaded asshat that tries to ruin everything. That and that loving girls is always fine, even if you happen to be a girl yourself.

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>>151893076
GENIUS

>>151893890
Doesn't that relate only to Mimi? How does that relate to the first nine or so episodes?

>>151893820
>matricide metaphor, shadow, duality of maternity, individuation of the child from their mother

>>151894058
Because all the monsters had Mimi fragments in them. Also, there's the art senpai going sour after they accidentally switched to her dark side. And of course there's Salt being a badass and literally killing his past self.

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I don't think I ever really understood what was going on. Liked the artstyle though. I enjoyed it for the most part.

A solid 6/10

>>151893820
If you get called out to come to your teacher's office for career consultation, you have to decide your own future.

>>151893600
Also in the ED

Decided to wait until it ended before deciding to watch.
No point in asking if it's good or not, but is it at least fun to watch or worth watching?

>>151895197
Yes. Most fun I've had watching anime in years.

>>151891059
>Papika's semen blob looks like a joke.
That's because it was one. Is this so hard to get?

>>151895197
It's fun

>>151880597
>being an ass-blasted retard;zero fanboy

>I was worried that this will be
good
>till the end
>but the ending was
shit

Is this yuri?

>>151895197
If you stop at ep 9 it will be your new favorite anime.

>>151895361
Yep.

>>151895495
Prove it

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>>151895260
It's not even the first time Papika's throw had so much build-up only to turn out that she can't throw for shit.

>>151895495
PICKED UP

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>>151895498

>>151895611
MODSMODSMODS

Show would've been significantly better if Papika wasn't literally autistic.

>>151895632
But then she wouldn't be Papika.

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>>151895611
Well, at least you censored it.

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Every yuri subtext mahou shoujo needs a baka genki

>>151895650
Yeah she'd be a better character and the character development could happen in a way other than Cocona talking to a wall which can only reply COCONA COCONA COCONA DAI DAI DAI DAISUKI.

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>>151895704
But then she wouldn't be Papika
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPPkcjuZDGA

>>151895733
And that's a good thing.

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>>151895749
"no"

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>>151895774

I really really liked the show until it tried to be coherent and try and pull everything together near the end. They threw all subtlety out the window with the garbage hamfisted dialogue of the mother, and it just wasn't as good anymore. I gave it a 6/10 at the end, I don't think I'd even put it in my top 10 of last year.

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>>151895993
That's nice.

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I loved it

>>151896197

The thread is literally asking for opinions you fucking flip flap sperg.

>>151896218
Maybe his opinion is shit

>>151896239

Maybe yours is shit for mindlessly consuming your media without questioning its quality.

The later half was terrible.

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>>151896239
>>151896286

>>151896286
Or maybe you just dont get it

>>151880029
I wouldn't have minded if the characters weren't shallow as fuck and the story had done something interesting with its themes.

>>151897204
perhaps anime isn't the medium you're looking for

>>151897241
There are shows l enjoy more than Flip Flappers, so I don't know why you'd jump to that conclusion.

>>151880029
Masterpiece.

I've never seen a single episode of this but I keep coming to the threads for >Cockona

>>151897862
Well, you should watch it to get some live Cocona.

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Cute Nyunyu.

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You are trying to get into a club at night and these two are sitting in the doorway. What do you do?

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>>151899334
Punch their noses.

>>151899334
Offer them some Vix vaporub.

>>151880597
RUSSIA HACKED THE POLL

COME ON, ITS 2017 WHY WOULD /a/ HAVE SUCH SHIT TASTE AND PICK THIS TRASH OVER GAY ON ICE????

>>151899334
>filename
Has tumblrnose infested japanese art circles, or is this another one of those baka gaijin destroying pixiv?

Nyunyu did nothing

>>151899813
Well atleast we could say that she did nothing wrong

>>151899955
But she did do everything thong

>>151880029
>I was worried that this will be just random episodic bullshit

I was hoping it would be.
Instead it devolved into a weak story-line with poorly-built characters and the most boringly obvious villain ever.
Episodes 9 onwards were abortions.

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>>151880192
>AOTY is smug
>/a/ is salty
It fits so well.

>>151900098
>/a/ is salty
>/a/ literally voted it as the AoTY
>salty

Doesn't make sense.
As someone who actually liked it, though, I can see why they WOULD be. It caved from fun adventures with great underlying character-building to something much more forced and generic. I think it got it's vote because people were hyped as it had just finished airing.
Were it just Papika and Cocona adventuring through PI for 10 episodes before confronting the KKK in the final 2, prompting Yayaka to turn good, that would have been better. The way they handled Yayaka was excellent, Mimishit nearly killed the show.

>>151900244
I'm certain that it wouldn't have won AOTY if the poll wasn't happening right at the time when the last episode aired.

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>>151900418
It worked! Oshiyama really did plan ahead.

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>>151899440

I think it's a Japanese artist, but they post on Tumblr. Their PapiCoco pics are pretty cute.

>>151900418

So that proves that /a/ liked the last episode? Sounds like a solid evidence against "/a/ thought the last 4 episodes were shit" theory.

>>151900643
No, it means hype overrides thought-process, and people were too busy swirled up in the excitement to think objectively.
It's how stupid people's minds work. The thing that happened recently always takes precedence over the thing months ago, even if it may not have been as good; "What have you done for me lately?"

>>151900643
His theory doesn't prove shit unless you think Re:Zero and Rakugo get 2nd and 3rd because they were still fresh on people's minds, too. Flip Flappers was just a good show.

It was OK. I don't see why people beat off to it so much.

>>151900774
Did you watch episode 8? Cocona's butt is a miracle.

>>151900244
>Doesn't make sense.
It sure looks that way on the pic I commented on. Besides, I just wanted to make a Salt pun, don't take it too seriously.

>Mimishit nearly killed the show.
I kinda found the overbearing reality bending mother amusing.
My main complaint about Mimi's story is that it made her and Cocona the center of the whole PI thing. It was established that PI is about different personal realities which can have ripple effects on the real world. It was such a good playing field for different people to try to change the world to their liking. Instead, KKK turned to be just a bunch of nobodies and it was all about Cocona.

>>151900643
My conclusion from this thread is, that some people hated 10-13, some didn't mind and some never liked the show to begin with.
Nothing surprising really.

>>151900699
>It's how stupid people's minds work.
How everyone's mind works.* It's a good thing to acknowledge that if you're smart too.

>>151900708
I don't think it's so much about hype or being on peoples minds than it is about Flipflapfags being online at that date and time.

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Even though I did like 1-9 a tiny bit more than 10-13, I don't think the second half is shit by any means and also realize there was no writer change and 10-13 probably would've been the same even if Yuniko had written them.

People who say the Mimi stuff wasn't in 1-9 at all are fucking stupid. 6 was literally all about introducing the concept that would later become EvilMimi and GoodMimi, who are both the same Mimi.

The reason there's no papicoco 'development' in 10-12 is because they have a falling out in 10, which was necessary for Cocona's character development. Could 10-13 have been executed better? Probably, specifically the last few minutes of 12, but besides that it's no big deal.

Anyway, pushing the writer meme is where I draw the line with opinions. If your opinion of the show hinges on "it would've been better if Yuniko wrote it" or "different visions" or whatever the fuck then you're delusional.

>>151900967
People harping on WRITER CHANGE probably don't know how anime is made and just keep repeating it because someone else said it.

>>151900967
>10-13 probably would've been the same even if Yuniko had written them
I would say some dialogue would be more subtle, Papika and Cocona are throwing around daisukis like it's nothing and the a bit awkward "since you were born" would probably not happen as well.

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>>151900594
Winter clothing is the comfiest

>>151901112
>a bit awkward "since you were born"
That's supposed to be a little awkward. No, I'm not joking, Papika is a dog with very a very straightforward way of viewing things, and while she's not stupid this is totally the type of thing she would say. It fits her character perfectly.

>>151901052
The fact remains that SOMETHING changed after episode 7

>>151901177
After 6, I mean

>>151901177
>>151901205
7 was great and so were 8 and 9.

Fuck off.

>>151901177
>>151901205
They stopped outsourcing to Studio Pablo for the backgrounds?

>>151901155
If it really was intentially then it was still a bad decision.

>>151901177

The tone of the story has changed. But surely that was planned. I mean, it's in the title. There are two sides of the record. The second half is the dark Mimi to the good Mimi of the first half.

>>151901205
Not really, friend.

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Well, how about some bad art while we're at it.

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>>151901331
How about you delet this and then delet yourself.

>>151900936
>>It's how stupid people's minds work.
>How everyone's mind works.

No it's not.
I was able to identify that the ending was lackluster regardless of it being recent.

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yurishits pandering

>>151901331
>>151901361
Yuasa will be happy if they do it like this.

>>151901331
Still better than some of the cards we sent to Oshiyama.

>>151901483

If Flip Flappers looked like this, Mitsuo Iso wouldn't be calling it moeshit.

>>151901771
Oh right, I meant to say Iso. And I kinda agree with him since they were just getting cuter every episode.

>>151880029
I liked anime hansel and gretel, it was fun

>>151901771
Iso liked the ED. The show should have looked like the ED. More cartoony expressions and round forms compared to stiff boring anime look.
>Oshiyama: It sounds like you’re saying it’s a show with lots of flashy animation, but in my mind neither the OP or the body of the show have that much animation to them (laughs), so it makes me happy to hear people say that about it. Compared to my past works it’s relatively still, and I’d bet my animator friends were thinking “Oshiyama, it’s episode one and you’re hardly moving anything!” while watching (laughs).

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>>151902186
>More cartoony expressions and round forms compared to stiff boring anime look.

are you saying that flip flapper's face game is disappointing considering the pedigree

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>>151902186

I don't think FF look was "boring" at all. Whether you like it or not, there are no other anime that look like this. In fact, FF character design was criticized by Japs in the beginning because it didn't use the modern moe look.

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>>151902240
That's actually a good one for our resident trolls.

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>>151901771
>Mitsuo Iso wouldn't be calling it moeshit
That's not what he said though.

>>151902186
>round forms compared to stiff boring anime look.
You mean like pic related?

>>151900594
The nose syndrome isn't nearly as bad here, actually looks cute.

>>151903838
Red noses are ok when you're in a cold environment.

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Notice how these are the colors of Papika, Cocona and Yayaka's henshin. Fun fact: blue and green are the same color in this picture.

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>>151904328
What are you trying to imply?

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>>151904452
YayakaxPapika OTP

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>>151904508
>tfw we never saw a shadow side to Papika or Yayaka because they are each other's shadow sides.

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>>151904452

If we remove Cocona from the equation, there's only green. That's right, Papika exists only in Cocona's mind. Yayaka and Cocona are the only real ones.

>Papika is still a little girl
>the bunny went back to being green
This is some Inception crap and they all always were in a fictional world to begin with, didn't they?

>>151900418
It was my AOTY and I finished it after the poll

I don't think Flip Flappers is AOTY but I am much more fine with it than fucking Re:Zero.

>>151904583
No, the "real" world was just another PI.

FliFla was the only anime that came out in either 2015 or 2016 that I would give above an 8/10. Truly saved us from a dark period of anime.

>>151904702
Too bad, Re:Zero's widely agreed to be much better.
You lose.