Anime Industry's Working Conditions

>>151855762
>desk fee? wtf is that?
The inbetween animators have to pay a fee to work at the studio. It's a roundabout way of the studio telling the animator to get good enough to pass the key animator test or quit.

>>151855762
>i wish they treat animators better than maybe we would get better anime.

No you wouldn't because your regular animator isn't the one deciding to adapt run-of-the-mill LN/manga or inserting elements that are designed to pander to the lowest common denominator tastes.

>Jap animator is worst job on the planet
So its nothing new or interesting.

>Maybe the anime industry needs to create a new business model
Why does it have to be the entire industry, why couldnt 1 studio do it?

I hope the working conditions improve. It genuinely makes me sad when I watch anime that I know was produced by a company who likely doesn't treat and/or pay its animators well. The only two companies I know of that actually treat and pay their animators well are KyoAnus and MAPPA. Production IG might as well but I'm not sure.

Organisations are only as good as the management allows them to be. It's the reality of hierarchical relations.

>>151856014
One studio already did, they're called Kyoani
Better pay, fewer hours, more in house work, and the best animation in the business

>>151856054
>animation
But all they make is SoL moetrash and yuribait.

>people working in a highly competitive, labor of love dream job tend to be paid poorly
WHOA WHAT! You mean I can't make a living being a fucking ice cream taster?

>>151856054
Apparently KyoAni gets a shit ton of job applications because of that. Maybe if other companies got their head out of their asses they'd be able to realize that treating their animators like slaves only produces shit content.

>>151856054
And all the money they waste on animators means they can't afford any decent properties to adapt, or directors who know what they're doing, and they've gone from one of the best studios in the business to the absolute worst in barely 5 years.

>>151856099
Source?

Why don't they just follow KyoAni's business model

>Paid more than average
>Strict rules to not overwork
>Most production remains in-house
>Have their own franchises
>Not in Tokyo

>>151856167
Nip twitter.

>>151856054
They're also the only ones who make decent anime nowadays.

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Animators are just crybabies.

>>151856099
>draw cute girls
>get good pay
>get treated like a human
Of course they get tons of applications, I doubt there are many other jobs as nice as this if you can draw.

>>151856099
Not surprised it's super competitive to get into Kyoani with their good work conditions.

>>151856054

>One studio already did, they're called Kyoani
And its anime taste like shit.

You work at a shit job and you produce a shit product, wow big surprise.

>>151856054
lol

>>151856173
>have expert staff only
>have a school to train new staff

>>151856256
They don't need to make the same type of shows, just follow their business model. But no one dares to step out of their comfort zone of having stable contractual work and little to no financial risks.

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>>151856054

>>151856042
>The only two companies I know of that actually treat and pay their animators well are KyoAnus and MAPPA.
>KyoAni also happen to make the best anime
Really makes you think

>>151855762
>desk fee? desk fee? wtf is that?

>>151856299
>lol

Kill yourselves.

>>151855934
I meant the animation would improve. And with that sentence I didn't mean it to sound that current anime is bad concept and story wise. I miswrote it.

>>151856322
more work less talk, the white man is waiting for his animated waifus

>>151855934
>maybe we would get better anime.
>I meant the animation would improve.
you are a fucking retard

Only Kyoani was brave enough to buck the trend and go full inhouse for production. Other studios were too afraid of the risk. It's sad to see such cowardice from a people descended from samurai

>>151856391
KyoAni had a couple of huge successes in a row.
They were swimming in cash and invested wisely.

It's pretty damn obvious that the anime industry is going to sink pretty badly as soon as the old skilled people retired from animation. The only ones who are going to be remaining all those who were fortunate enough to work in good studios that treat them like human beings. All these anime that are getting produced are eventually going to be reduced because their won't be enough talent around to deal with the demand of producing these shows.

>not be in Tokyo
fixes most of their money problems

>>151856322
>no one wants to do anything
>no one cares
Sounds familiar. Most jobs are like that.

>>151856409
Shaft was swimming in cash but werent they then Tied to Aniplex forever?

>>151855853
>>151856333
It's still a fucking stupid concept.

>>151856383
Someone is in a bad mood.

>profits are going down
But I thought the foreign streaming was making up for the disc sales falling?

>>151856156
I'm no kyoani shill, and it's true that ever since the shitshow that was Kyoukai no Kanata they've adapted some truly terrible shit (Brilliant Park, Phantom World), but Hibike is one of the best shows they've made in years.

>>151856515
The studios aren't getting shit regardless of how much profit comes from overseas so it doesn't improve anything in regards to their lives. The money goes directly to the companies that license off the anime to the streaming websites.

>>151856156
b8

>>151856322
what a qt i wanna lock her in a room and make her draw hentai all day

>>151856470
It's clear now shaft was never swimming in cash even after Madoka, it was all going to Aniplex. How else do you explain shaft never improving their conditions or not even upgrading their offices

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>>151856653
Me too

>>151856326
>people still believe this

>>151856682
Will Shaft ever leave its comfort zone?

>>151856941

I don't like the subjects or premises for most of their shows but they do some beautiful work. I often catch myself thinking "this would be perfect if it was animated by KyoAni". It's a shame they're stuck on boring high school settings like most other studios.

Remember how American animation companies started paying better and the industry flourished?
Oh wait, they outsourced all the inbetweening to Korea because its too expensive to hire Americans, or outright shut their 2d studios down.

>>151857054
>Oh wait, they outsourced all the inbetweening
And their animation industry is dead.

>>151857030
Are you looking forward to Maidragon and Violet Evergarden then?

>>151856173
Cause you need balls and money. Kyoani too risks and it paid off. Other studios are too scared to do it because it could ruin them, and others are too busy trying to survive.

>>151856326

KyoAni makes some pretty anime, but it's definitely not all good. And the prettiest are generally funded heavily by Kadokawa so there's money to pay everyone well (See Hyouka).

>>151855762

Possibilities are limitless

>chair fee if you want to sit at work
>desk fee if you want a desk
>lamp fee if you want some lights in your room
>room fee if you want your own room
>pen fee if you want to do something at work
>door fee if you want to get in
>walking fee
>airbreathing fee
>fee if you want a job
>pay fee, unless you want to work for free

>>151857126
I wonder what IP KyoAni will buy next since Koe no Katachi was a success

>>151857108

Maidragon not so much, but Violet Evergarden yes. I hope the anime can live up to the hype of the PV. It was absolutely gorgeous.

>>151856322
>Animator dies from overwork.
>Nobody wants to talk about it.
What the fuck kind of work place do they have going on in Japan? That shit sounds like A-rank news.

>>151857232
It was an A-1 employee who died so Aniplex covered it up

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>>151857232
Look up black companies, the shit that happened to Arata in ReLife also occurs irl.

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This is all Bahi JD's fault. That fucking socialist poo. Sakuga is a fucking mistake.

>>151855853
>have to pay a fee to work
dude what the hell

>>151857188
Same, I hope it lives up to the hype and does well, maybe the non high school trend will continue.

>>151857179
If we made a virginity fee on 4chan, Hiro would be swimming in cash.

>>151857295
I know he isn't the only one. I'm pretty sure another incident was reported about animator dying from the same thing as well.

>>151855853
>It's a roundabout way of the studio telling the animator to get good enough to pass the key animator test or quit.
no anon,
to me that sounds like a roundabout way to pay animators low wages without technically violating minimum wage laws.

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>>151856042
Add to that P.A Works and White Fox.
Former tries to take in-betweeners and actually pay them an sustainable amount
Latter recently opened an in-house animation school to educate a new generation of animators

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This episode aired over ten years ago.

>>151857332
>>151857295
Those kind of work conditions and OT are going to come back and bite the shit out of the companies and Japan at a later time.

>>151857465
So?
The bad conditions were introduced by Tezuka, several decades ago.
None of this is news.

>>151856607
That is not what the crunchy roll creator says. I'm more inclined to believe him that some random anon says.

>>151857428
PA Works pay their in betweeners like shit though. However they do try to have a good in-house staff.

>>151857395
>virginity fee
But I'm not a virgin. I took two, though.

>>151857485
>That is not what the crunchy roll creator says
judging by the AKA thing he did years ago, he either is stupid or acts stupid when confronted with things, so I'll take what he says with a grain of salt.

>>151857232
Probably not a good one if they have their own term for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karōshi

>>151857485
Not him but source? I've seen crunchyroll higher ups being very stupid on twitter before.

>>151857485
Why don't you start reading on what the animators actually say about their conditions and on if that actually affect their lives.

>>151857482
Yeah yeah, and the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves over 4000 years ago, smartass. None of that is news either but sometimes people could use a little perspective.

>>151857515
Good move anon there's diminishing returns on the cherry popping fee so it will only be increased by 180%.

SHAFT swimming in money just goes to Shinbo. It's strange to think powerpoint slideshows take immense animator man-hours.

Sunrise, too, sunrise execs make bank off fujoshi.

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>>151857624
SHAFT isn't swimming in money

>>151857395
It would only be fair if the fee applied to non-virgins, with the massive normalfag influx as of late he'd probably end up making even more money that way while the people who actually belong reap the benefits of free posting.

>>151857606
>the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves
No, they were not.
The Egyptians used skilled labor, and paid them well.

>>151857581
How does that disprove the idea that streaming isn't making up for the huge loss of late night anime BD revenue? (And before you post that fucking chart, realize thats for animation in general, and late night is a small chunk of it.)

>>151857663
Completely missing the point, moron. Slave labor's been around as long as labor has. That is a long ass time.

>>151857606
>the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves over 4000 years ago
That's just propaganda the Jews fed you. It's well known and fully established that the pyramids weren't made by slaves while the Egyptians stood their swinging their whips around.

>>151857606

No, Egypt didn't use slaves. Try again.

>>151857682
>streaming isn't making up for the huge loss of late night anime BD revenue?
That has nothing to do with anything.
Studios are contractors. Other than KyoAni, they don't have the rights to their shows. It doesn't matter how much it sells after the fact or how much it is streamed, the studio does not get any of that profit directly.
They get better contracts when word gets around the studio makes anime that sell well.
And they can get some money out of merchandise.

>>151857606
>Ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves.
How fucking stupid are you in the history department?

Humanity and it's history is a mistake.

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>>151857624
Also SHAFT has less than a hundred employees, including people who don't work on animation. SHAFT like most studios work as an outsourcer as well. In this industry, everyone 'helps' everyone, except for Kyoani, they don't work for or outsource to other Japanese animation companies.

>>151857700
>Slave labor's been around as long as labor has.
Correct.
And if you pointed me to a statistic that says that a particular group of people was paid badly 10 years ago, when their strife began much earlier, I would tell you that you are "completely missing the point", as you phrased it.
It's not a recent development. It's one of the foundations of the industry, and the only reason we've gotten TV shows.

>>151856099
You're thinking like an artist, not a business.

Most of these companies just want to make a quick buck and sell some merchandise. There's no incentive to treat your workers better when applicants outnumber the openings so drastically.

>>151857733
>it's
*its
Ftfy.

>>151857054
They shut them down because they weren't ultra profitable. If you can have some North Korean slave make the next Little Mermaid, then why not? Who cares if it's good, they just want to sell lunchboxes.

>>151857179
Technically that sort of thing is illegal in the US, but there are exceptions and loopholes.

>>151857232
A lot of people work for black companies. Basically, if you don't graduate from the three top universities, Todai and co., and make sure to secure employment before graduation, you probably can't get work at anywhere other than a black company. You do everything they ask or you're gone forever and blacklisted from working with them or any other black company ever again. Also no good company is interested in hiring you. This is how a lot of those people living in internet cafes turn out. They just quit, and work a bunch of part time jobs since it's still better. You're only real option from that point is to start your own company. Even with the good companies, you're still expected to work long hours, but the government scrutinizes them more often and the companies themselves have been trying to reduce overwork and provide a better work life balance. Basically, don't work for at a Japanese company if you can help it. Also, a lot of these jobs are moving to Korea, where long hours are just as common as they used to be in Japan a few decades ago. It's also a major part of why good foreign language instruction isn't a priority by the government. Elevens with good English or other language skills would be much more employable by foreign companies, making it harder for Japanese companies to overwork their employees. Working for an American company in Japan is so much better than working for a Japanese company in Japan. The lack of language skills prevents most of them from working abroad and potentially immigrating (brain drain, tax loss, etc.) unlike many of the more skilled Europeans who do move to the US and elsewhere. Ironically, a lot of their best engineers are getting scooped up by Korea with huge salary increases, great benefits, personal drivers, personal secretaries, etc. But basically, it sucks to work for a Japanese company.

>>151857475
Later? Working conditions in Japan have been a huge problem for them for decades. It's been a noticeable problem on their economy since the 90s, but the government and culture are unwilling to make meaningful change.

>>151857804
What most businessmen fail to realise is that the better the product, the greater degree of confidence your consumers have in you. That, in turn, leads to more sales in the long-term when it comes to making future IPs or sequels.

>>151857796
All I said was "this was ten years ago." I was not incorrect. But you still want to sound like a knowitall fagggot even though we agree completely. Shit like this is exactly why nobody likes you, you know.

>>151858062
>All I said was "this was ten years ago." I was not incorrect.
And I didn't say you were incorrect. I just told you that your post missed the scope of things.
Why are you sperging out about this so much?

>>151858047
They realize that, but most companies are focused on quarterly earnings reports to keep the stock up. You have to keep the investors happy or you can lose your job or get bought out in a hostile take over.

Plus you're assuming that the bar to keep your customers is high: it's not. People love shit and eat it gladly. Don't believe me? Look around you see how many threads are devoted towards garbage.

>>151858095
Why are you asking me why I'm sperging out while you're going on a frenzied autistic rampage? I am missing no scope whatsoever, this whole thing could've started the very day the first anime did, and if I had a screenshot of that I would post it, but I don't so I posted Shuffle! instead. Stop being such an idiot.

>>151858047
>the better the product, the greater degree of confidence your consumers have in you.
Most consumers are complete morons when it comes to evaluating product quality. Most of them rate products based on price.

>>151858197
Are you alright?
It's like I physically hurt you by improving on your point.
Maybe you should take a break and take a few deep breaths.

>I posted Shuffle! instead.
And you pointed at 10 years ago, instead of using the free-form text field to give the actual scope of things.
Your excuses are reaching, and I'm sure even you must see that. Calm down, and take it like a man.

>>151856088
Fuck off reddit

>>151858256
You'll do whatever you can to stroke your one inch cock, won't you? Alright, even though we both apparently share the same viewpoint, the statement I made was 100% correct, you clearly lost your cool and missed the point as hard as possible and tried to capitalize on it, and there is no question that you are indeed furious right now and attempting to play it off as some kind of smug condescending anime expert, I am most certainly in the wrong here and will prove once and for all that you are clearly the better man by walking away from this conversation because it is clearly going nowhere. Enjoy this final reply, and the biting insult that you'll surely reply to it with that I won't be reading. (You)'ve earned it.

>>151855762
Japan in general need a business model overhaul

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>>151858464
You're cute.

Animators should go for patreon

>>151858558

Japan doesn't use Patreon and 90% of the weebs out there don't know a single animator. And only studios that make action shows like Gainax, Madhouse, Bones, Perriot or Trigger would have any name recognition in the west. Dogakobo or Kyoani setting up a patreon for a show would probably fail.

>>151855762
Dont worry boys, Toyotaro will save us, he is literally /our guy/

>>151856093
You usually don't have to pay for the privilege of working at your dream job edgy you burgertard.

>>151858853
>im retarded the post

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>>151858558
They do in the states, and then they get to spend 3 months creating 10 fucking minutes of shitty animation.
You don't have these massive, 26 episode feasts of professional animation outside of the industry.

Why are we talking about this like it's an international issue? No one flogs these people into going after animation, or forces them to stay in the industry/stay mediocre when they're relegated to the inbetween work. It's competitive work, and I understand that everyone wants a job that pays enough and is easy on their body, but there are better ways to do that, if you don't think you can handle animation. You shouldn't take a job like that, if you just want a way to sustain a comfortable life. It's something that you have to want to do.

Japan work culture is all around grueling though, but that isn't just in animation.

>>151858558
Patreon and Enty Works well for artists on an individual basis, however it cannot substain an entire industry. If all japanese animators went crowdfunding, they would all earn about 50$ per months, except the minority of big earners.

>create a new business model
They honestly have to do this.
They also have to make anime be seen as something acceptable by the mainstream

Just how many peoples in the world, even in japan, just watch all anime for free and never talk about anime to anyone else? Of course they will never see any money back like this.

Paying Chunchy or localized BDs won't do shit, buying or importing physical media just expose your powerlevel and will gets you jail time in some country.

>>151856566
>truly terrible shit (Brilliant Park
Brilliant park was great, fuck you

>>151857640
>SHAFT isn't swimming in money
I could be reading it wrong, but that looks like 1.3 billion yen in the bottom left.

>>151859653
That's revenue, actual profit for that year was 23 million.

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>>151856322

>yfw this is the plot of Shirobako s2

>>151856322
Os it the bitch that makes a moderate amount of money after subtracting accommodation, meal and transportation fees and still has the gall to complain? Just because after years of failing animator test they started charging her a desk fee? It's time to realise you're not good enough, bitch.

>>151856501
And you're still redditor bringing your shitty posting style to a.

I'm so glad that Japan is dying from its low birth rates and absolutely terrible working conditions

>>151860025
What? That's the director of K-On and KnK and is complaining about a suicide that happen in 2010 involving an A-1 employee.

>>151855853
What? You do realize that there are limited positions for key animators, it's literally a promotion. Sometimes getting good wont let you get a position unless they need more key animators

What anime studios actually treat their workers really well?

>>151860213
1. Kyoto Animation
2. ...

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It's not really just the anime industry though is it? It's the whole of Japan that is on this awful work lifestyle of constant hours.

>>151860213
I have no proof but I'd be really surprised if Kyoani treated people poorly, They seem like they would the nicest one.

>>151860135
Actually Im pretty sure it's a shop of the K-ON movie documentary were she talks about the travel to england and stuff.
The fake subs comes from an interview of Bahi JD.

>>151860301

Yeah, Japan used to compensate for its shitty hours and work culture with essentially guaranteed lifetime employment but since the Lost Decade the job security has gone while the horrible hours remain.

>>151860135
I just assumed, she caused a shitstorm a while back.

>>151860076
And you're still in a bad mood

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>>151859808
>Shirobako s2

>>151857728
>falling BD revenue has no effect on how much production committees are willing to spend on an anime
I see.

>>151855762
>tfw you finally achieve your dream and it makes you miserable

sasuga japan

Don't worry, the Olympics will surely save the anime industry.

stop making harem crap by the ton.

>>151856156
You say this like the other studios are doing better things.

It's all the same shit but at least KA has better animation.

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anime industry is doing fine as usual

>>151859079
I don't care about supporting the anime industry. I only buy what I like, if I really think that it's worth my money.
So should everyone else.

>>151859079
>They also have to make anime be seen as something acceptable by the mainstream

Stop ruining my hobbies by catering to the mainstream.

>>151857232
Japan was artificially propped up since the end of WWII by Uncle Sam as essentially a vassal state to buffer against Ivan
Once the wall came down the geopo climate shifted to the Middle East and tech boom stuff just happened to be more prevalent in the states
To fill the gaps left by suddenly having to be more self sufficient after decades of getting pushed up further, Nips just flat increased workload every year and haven't stopped since
It's another case of teaching men to fish vs just giving them one. Japan was given for so long its hard to adjust to fishing for themselves. Though they're doing better in retrospect than a lot of other places the West has propped up and promptly pulled out of

There are actually more than enough animators.
The problem is rather that there's still too many anime studios, just like there's too many old people in Japan being still alive.

If more old people croaked, then Japan's economy would do better. If more studios just closed down, then the producers would have less choices to pay a shit to the remaining studios.

But animators are in the end just dumb otaku themselves, as the article itself mentioned. Dumb otaku who don't think about money and just want to draw stuff.

They deserve to be exploited mercilessly.

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>>151855762
Labor-of-love jobs treat their workers like shit. It's the same as being a screenwriter in America. Or a game-designer literally anywhere.

>>151864122
>If more old people croaked, then Japan's economy would do better.
Explain to me how old people negatively effect the economy.

>If more studios just closed down, then the producers would have less choices to pay a shit to the remaining studios.
No, since the remaining studios could just increase the number of anime they produce per season.

>>151856014
>Jap anything that isn't the CEO alphakike is worst job on the planet
Fixed

>>151864230
Old age insurance, dude.
Old people don't work, but they of course deserve to live. To live, they need money. That money comes from the young people who work and pay money into the pension fund.
Young people work to keep old people alive. Once you and I get old, the new generation of young people will work their butts off to keep us alive. And then those young people who became old will be kept alive through younger people.

Japan has too many old dudes. And of course lots of other problems. But old dudes and dudettes still being alive is a problem.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-10-17/.107730

>>151864063
Your hobby will die and kill it's artists at this rate
Your hobby is already ruined by catering more and to fujoshit and idolshitters

>>151864645
Just buy video games and search for another hobby.
Or get a mate, start a family, enjoy live as it is.

>>151864448
>To live, they need money
Which they need to pay for rent and food and shit, which therefore goes back to the economy.
Imagine all the old people would die overnight. You think Japans economy would do well after losing a big chunck of its customerbase?

>>151864230
>Explain to me how old people negatively effect the economy.
Are you for real? They produce absolutely nothing, and takes money and personal away from other things to pay for their care. Old people are well know parasites of the economy.

>>151864645
I'd rather have anime die out completely than go full normalfag.

>>151864768
Old people only consume shit. They don't generate shit anymore. That's the problem, bro. Old people get pity money from the pension funds to live on, which is actually money from the young ones hard work.

>>151864786
Due to those old people, the government pretty much forces the working force to use up more of its money instead of saving it, which though the old people goes back into the economy. The one who suffers is the working force, but not the economy.

>>151855762
> had only 1,477 yen ($12.55) left for personal use.
As much as I hate to say it, get another job. Anything. That shit is way too low for the amount of work they do.

>>151855762
The problem is that, while being more subversive than almost anything on American television, the basic stance of de-politicized escapist nihilism that runs through anime keeps artists from confronting this stuff in an organized way.

>>151864768
What the fuck do you think a economy is? Old people may actually consume stuff, but they actually produce anything. Old people live off young people work, Japan has away too much old people, hence they are a drain to the economy.

This thread turned into /pol/ lite really fast.

>>151865097
More like /eco/. Nobody has actually said that we should kill all old people yet.

>>151865040
Old people are cool and make cool things, including anime. Maybe you should talk to your dad more you autist.

>>151864983
And to pay for more old people staying alive and thus needing more people to take care of them, everything needs to become more expensive, or they need to work harder and longer. Which means that the money of the young ones is worth less.

>>151864912
>>151865040
see >>151864983 and >>151864768
Tourists don't produce anything, but are good for economy (they spend money). Lack of workers isn't a big problem in Japan anyway.

>every generation pays the pensions of the previous gen
>in practice they're paying their own pensions
>somehow there's not enough money when they get old after they've paid pension payments/taxes until then
Maybe the problem are the pension corps and funds that steal the money to pay it to themselves.

>>151857375
That's what happens when you have way more labor than demanded.
Nips need to expand their territory or cut back on their population to have reasonable workplace condition.

>>151857179
All excellent suggestions mister Shekelberg!

>>151865040
As long as they use all the money they get for their living expenses they are not draining the pool at all. Sure, they don't add to it, but they also don't reduce it.

>>151865198
>needing more people to take care of them
You want those guys to be umemployed instead?

>>151865281
Tourists don't stay somewhere else for 20-30 years. When they do, they're poorfag immigrants.

>>151865397
There are way less young unemployed than there are old non-working geezers.
That's just normal.

>>151865463
For the producers who get the lion share of the money, that is indeed a problem.

>>151865153
I largely agree. What do that have to do with the fact that old people, as a general, are a drain to the economy?

>>151863067
You need to learn to read.

>>151865401
>driving economy for 20-30 years
>poorfag immigrants
If we suddenly get rid of them, the demand for goods goes down a lot and we get a nice economic crisis. Good thing idiots like you don't make policies.

>>151865593
ohhhhhh but they do now

>>151865652
>ohhhhhh
Get back to your shithole (presumably /pol/).

>>151865281
Tourists don't stay for 20 years, and 25% of the population and have people pay for their care.

>>151865593
Dude. You're trying to equate old non-working people who will try their best to stay alive for 20-30 years with tourists who go somewhere else, spend their money, and then leave again after a very short while.

>>151857485
>cr
Most anime studio like JC or A1 are contracted. They got a fixed payment from the production committee who gathers the huge capital of doing a 12 episode series.
Subsequent risk or successes the series would have would go to the production committee almost completely since they're the ones taking the consequences.

CR is probably being loaded as usual and refer to KyoAni shows where the studio actually gets the profits as kyoani are one of, if not the only studio that also fund their shows.

>>151865463
Don't use emoticons on /a/.

>>151864793
You don't need to go full normalfag or change the content. Rather, use advertisement to change it's image.

>>151864793
This, it's better to have it die peacefully than having it morphed into an abomination

>>151865697
I prefer your shithole more anon kun.

>>151865331
No, Nips need more working age people.

>>151856410
>hello i'm a newfag
There are a lot of fresh young talent in all sort of department from key animation to music composition that even some retard from MAL would recognize.

To anyone thinking old people are a drain on the economy.
The thing about the modern world is, we do not have a lack of productivity.
We don't NEED more workers.
We need more customers.

Old people are a boost to the economy because they consume.

>>151865765
Sorry, but I'm already taken by my waifu.

>>151860213
KyoAni and Polygon. Trigger wants to adapt the same business model according to its founder. Everyone else is a revolving door in Tokyo.

>>151865698
>and have people pay for their care
Instead of saving it for the rainy hour, you pay taxes, taxes go for old people, old people spend it -> more money spent more often -> economy thrives

It may make you angry that you work for others, but it's good for the economy.

>>151865700
And then next year other tourists come again and spend money again.
And you probably should realize that tourists stopping to come can be very desastrous for a region.

On the other hand, old people are very unlikely to move away and keep spending money in their region.

>>151865905
>it's good for the economy.
Because the economy is retarded.
Requiring a constant growth just so things don't fall apart is a recipe for disaster.

Trigger is pretty well-loved by animators that work there due to their atmosphere.

Didn't A-1 get fined because it was found out they were paying their workers below minimum wage?

>>151865700
Economy doesn't care if it's 240 people spending for month or 1 person spending money for 20 years. Yes, the money would be spent sooner or later by the work force (when they get old), but the money put in savings don't drive the economy until they start getting spent, and if you give them to old guys, they spend them instantly.

>>151865397
>they are not draining the pool at all
Is this a joke? Do you think that we live on a post scarcity society of something like that.

>>151865802
I really hope this is a joke.
The reason why Japan in general, not exclusive to the anime industry, have shitty work condition and ethics is because there are a huge amount of supply in labor. Which is working age people.
These people who worked on shitty condition doesn't speak out not because they're pussies, but because they know that there are still a lot of people who would do their job with the same condition happily.

If the US have the same density of people as in Japan (not Tokyo, but whole of Japan), the US would have 2 billion people.

>>151865982
>Requiring a constant growth just so things don't fall apart is a recipe for disaster.
Exactly.

>>151865811
You're forgetting the other side of the balance sheet. Money is going to flow out of the country unsustainably if all you do is import.

>>151865982
>Because the economy is retarded.
>Requiring a constant growth just so things don't fall apart is a recipe for disaster.
Kinda like democracy, nobody knows a better way of doing things, so we choose the lesser evil.

>>151866096
>if all you do is import.
That's an interesting assumption. The deduced consequence is true, but Japan has a number of high profile exports.

>>151866057
Japan isn't a third-world shithole, they have more energy then they can use, more food then they can eat, and more goods than they can sell.
And if you want to go about using up limited resources, that's the same for everyone and not specific to old people.

>>151866028
As to what I know from nip twitter, the guy being paid was the one asking for lower pay so that he'd get hired or something.

>>151865982
>economy is retarded.
Indeed and we wouldnt have in in any other way.

>>151855762
Who cares? They're Japs. I don't care how well treated the people who make my animes anymore than I care how my Hollywood films are created. Both industries could use slavery and I still wouldn't care. Only people that have too much free time care about this shit.

>>151866125
I think it would be a great change if we had actual democracy and not just the choice between two rather similar evils. Calling that democracy is silly.

Why arent animators trying their wings as mangakas?

>>151865811
And that money which they spend has to come from people who earn that money. Those old people will constantly get money for being alive after a certain threshold.
They do deserve it. After all, they did the same for the old people before them.
But they're still not producing anything anymore.

>>151866096
>Money is going to flow out of the country unsustainably if all you do is import.
If every developed country has old people that require importing some things then it evens out.

>>151866017
I'd be loved too if I could get paid to make absolute garbage and ride on a legacy of making something golden once every 5 years.

>>151866057
>Do you think that we live on a post scarcity society
We live in a society where youngsters have trouble finding jobs because there is no real need for more workers.

>>151866191
>I think it would be a great change if we had actual democracy and not just the choice between two rather similar evils. Calling that democracy is silly.
Well, good thing I'm not a Burger then.

>>151866244
Name one country with actual democracy that isn't Switzerland.

>>151866267
The keyword was
>choice between two rather similar evils.

>>151866202
Did you even read the post before responding?
>But they're still not producing anything anymore.
They don't need to produce anything. We have gone past the point where a plus in productivity really gets us anywhere.

>>151865809
New talents coming in is not the problem. The problem is getting a lot of the new talent to stayed which in a lot of cases like the animators have mention is a big issue. Too many newcomers get eventually burned out by the workload that is given to them. It's just leads to more of the old faces having to put in more work along with them outsourcing a lot of shit. Unless, you are a company practicing good business practices tough luck on getting a lot of newcomers to actually stay in the animation industry.

>>151866289
Oh sorry, how many near-identical evils can you choose from?

>>151866267
>actual democracy
Define what you mean and we can talk. I thought you didn't like the fact that America lacks a real multi-party system.

>>151866191
Actual democracy are actually really shit and doesn't work that well.
What you burgers have actually kept the good parts of democracy and remove the bad ones.

>>151866335
He's talking about direct democracy like all the plebs using "actual democracy"

>>151866189
Here's a question. do tortured animators make more moe shit to escape form there shitty existences, or more sienen to express there plight and suffering?

>>151866335
A system where the parties represent actual interests of the people and don't prostitute themselves to the economy.
That doesn't mean that economic interests should be disregarded, but they should be voted for by the people, not paid for by a small elite.

Democracy means government of the people.

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If you faggots actually paid for the anime you consume every day, then the animators didn't have to work and live in sweatshop conditions anymore and could build their own studios instead. You should feel guilty.

>>151866309
>We have gone past the point where a plus in productivity really gets us anywhere.
Have we got to the point where global communism would work? Just produce an order of magnitude more goods than you think you need and even if you miscalculate you won't get any shortages.

>>151866329
Theoretically like 3 dozens, realisitcally however there is only 1 outcome for the next elections. This makes me sad.

>>151866429
>implying animators would get shit
Business men would just rack in bigger profits, dont be naive

>>151866444
>Have we got to the point where global communism would work?
Is communism solely reliant on how productive we can be?

>>151866467
All hail the Anime Consortium.

>>151866429
Right, the companies selling owning the rights to the show would give more money to the studios instead of making more profit (they are good guys deep inside after all) and the studios would give more money to the animators instead of making more profit (they are good guys deep inside after all).

tl;dr
Nice bait.

>>151866323
>Too many newcomers get eventually burned out by the workload that is given to them
Which means they probably arent that good.
You will never be able to completely and perfectly examine everyone who has interest on drawing cure girls for a living whether they are talented or not whilst maintaining a constant production of shows in tight schedule. Filtering these people into ones that are able to commit and produce decent work is what the industry is currently doing with this model.

>newcomers to actually stay in the animation industry
Like I said, there are too many newcomers, which in turn creates the shitty work condition. Anime related jobs is one of the top interest among young adults. The reason they're able to live whit measly pay is because they're still young and live with their parents or getting money from them.

>>151857606
Pyramids were paid by well paid, skilled workers. They were large scale public works projects of the time.

>>151866499
I don't know, but I could accept stagnation at this point. Maybe find some way to motivate people in medicine and the rest can stay the same.

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>>151866416

>>151863031
That's a cute foot.

>>151866614
What's with that meme? They also needed large unskilled labour force so they hired the field workers when they had nothing to do (e.g. when the fields were submerged by the regular floods).

>>151857967
How do you know this

>>151866621
>stagnation before the waifu singularity
Why would anyone wants that?

>>151866554
You literally might as well say "the animators are going to be dead in 100 years anyway, so who cares if they make more money."

With more money sloshing around in the industry, studios will bid up the price for more valuable staff.

Trigger has the most Twitter accounts proudly declaring that they belong to the studio.

Where are all the KyoAni animators Twitter accounts?

>>151866764
>>stagnation before the waifu singularity
>Why would anyone wants that?
I don't have a waifu.

>>151866614
Exactly. The Capitol, the White House and the Trinity Church are better examples, as they have actually been built by overworked slaves.

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>>151855762
Anime communism when?

>>151866769
They don't need the 'valuable' staff to generate more income.
VAs and marketing are a lot better factor that decides the success of a show and is where the wise investment will actually go.

>>151860213
KyoAnus, Toei, ufotable that i know of

>>151866769
>studios will bid up the price for more valuable staff
If faggots buy shit, why spend more money to make it a little less shit?

>With more money sloshing around in the industry
If the people you give your money to are thrice removed from animators it works pretty badly.

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>>151855762
"Boy it sure was nice for Krabs-san to give me a job."
"And at 50 dollars an hour. When I started working here I had to pay Krabs-san 100 dollars an hour!"

>>151866787
>Twitter accounts
That's a measure for what?

>>151866881
If that were true, then they would outsource everything to Vietnamese animation studios.
Come on, you guys can't be this averse to reality.

>>151866881
>VAs and marketing are a lot better factor that decides the success of a show and is where the wise investment will actually go.
That's the most infuriating thing to me in entertainment industry. Wasting money on marketing instead of making a good show/game/etc.

>>151866879
You can either have something like Future Boy Conan or Schwarzesmarken.
Proper communism would require somebody with a degree both in politics to write the script.

>>151864645
>your hobby will die because replaceable people will die and be replaced
>your hobby is ruined because things I happened to not like sells well
>>>/v/

>>151866969
If they could get away with it, they would.

Of course, the future lies in automation and better software that will make even the Vietnamese animation studios superfluous.

>>151866995
>Yeah but but the guys in marketing made it sound like a great idea!

>>151866969
They should outsource to Chinks, this show that was shilled here a few seasons before was looking better than most of anime.

>>151866995
100% of the people who've never heard of your product will not buy it.

>>151867029
>If they could get away with it, they would.
But they can't get away with it, that's the point. People care about quality animation.

>>151867020
>>>/y/
>>>/tumblr/

>>151855762
>ANN

>>151867091
Not really. Berserk (2016) got a second season after all.

>>151855762
Why don't they just unionize?

>>151866995
The only quantifiable metric of a good show that matters is how much it sells.
Honestly even if marketing is already well funded, the extra funds will go to other projects rather than making the product a little less shit.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. There problem solved.
These people have the obligation to their employees to turn a profit, and they'll do it the best way they know how.

>>151867079
I'm not saying it's not a sound decision in many cases.

>>151867079
Reminds me of the guy who sells little cubes of garbage from new york.

>>151867091
No, not really. Anime has the stigma of being badly cheap-looking trash for a reason even in Japan where they produce that stuff in the first place.
What sells well (and thus makes money and thus gives food to the plate of the animators) is always a multitude of factors like good story, general trends and attitudes by the consumers, being in the mood for the genre that the show represents, noticeable performance by voice actors that makes them stand out, a good emotional soundtrack, of which good animation is only one small part of it.
At best, animation in anime only needs to be okay instead of outright terrible.

>>151867183
>The only quantifiable metric of a good show that matters is how much it sells.
Go back to your stalker threads, nobody else cares.
Also, see >>151867184

>>151867180
Because union fucks more thing than it fixes. The free market works because it values the labor naturally through supply and demand.

>>151867180
They're literally otaku. Antisocial nerds.

>>151859789
Aniplex is one greedy pimp of a producer.

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>>151866149
>Japan isn't a third-world shithole,
Give it 2 decades

>they have more energy then they can use, more food then they can eat, and more goods than they can sell.
And if you want to go about using up limited resources, that's the same for everyone and not specific to old people.

I am not talking about natural or energy resources, I am talking about productivity. There's so much that a country can produce, old people just like everything consume from that amount of productivity, the problem is that they actually are not producing anything and take away from the economy as whole, that's exactly why their economy is on the shit and have no hope whatsoever of improving.

>>151866969
>Vietnamese animation studios
Not everything, but they already are.
They don't need 'valuable' staff, they just need good enough staff.
And the price for that 'good enough' labor is what it currently is.

>>151867307
It has more to do with Japan's culture I think. But I don't dare make a real statement on this because with my lack of knowledge it'd undoubtedly be wrong.

>>151867259
I didn't say that people care a lot about animation.
I said they care, at all. Even a little bit.
And if that little bit is enough to justify paying Japanese animators instead of chinks, that matters. Even if they're only responsible for 1% of sales, they have a real and profitable 1% share in the industry's success as a whole.

>>151866149
>more food then they can eat,
They are importing food.

>>151867332
>There's so much that a country can produce,
And the economy is stagnating because supply has long since eclipsed demand.
We have over-productivity, and it's going to get worse.

>>151867371
Which is why VAs and marketing is a better investment.
Investment on these would be responsible for >1% of sales.
Also see >>151867361

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>>151866227
[Citation Needed]
Japan has actually too much fucking jobs, there's a lot of bitching from the big companies that they can't find enough people to work for them. Recently they are even resorting to importing workers from other countries because there's just not enough young people there.

>>151867332
>There's so much that a country can produce
Yes, there is so much to produce that they still rather move their production overseas since its cheaper. Production with Japanese wages is expensive.

>>151867388
Like everyone else on this planet?
Impoting food is cheap, and good luck producing all that food on those shitty mountainous islands with next to no plains.

>>151863803
Goddamn, overseas revenue is actually becoming a major pillar of the industry.

>>151867285
I should have specify
>The only quantifiable metric of a good show that matters to them

>>151863803
So why aren't they paying their workers more?

>>151867479
90% of those are from China, for better or worse.

>>151867454
And? What's your point?
Investors don't decide how much to pay workers. Workers slowly demand higher wages. It can take decades, but it's inevitabe.

>>151863803
Got a chart for the 80's and 90's?

>>151867472
3,4% unemployed are still more than those job oppenings

>>151867472
When you have too few applicants on too many jobs, then entry-level wages would rise significantly.
But all we hear from Japan is that entrylevels have trouble feeding themselves.

Go on strike.

>>151867496
Paying the animators is a problem of the studios that hired them, not the producers who hired the studios.

>>151867371
>And if that little bit is enough to justify paying Japanese animators instead of chinks, that matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XosSObJa9k
I welcome our Chinese overlords (if we get Japanese dubs, ching chong is a pig disgusting language)

>>151867478
>Like everyone else on this planet?
Not really.
Europe or the USA would be able to feed themselves because that's strategically a good position to be in.

>>151867544
No

>>151866429
Nice try miles but i am not going to use CR or pay for it

>>151867544
That magazine only started tracking industry money in 2002 I think. But if you look at the output of the industry in the 80s and 90s it's pretty clear it was a lot smaller back then.

>>151867604
>would be able
But they still import food cause its cheaper

>>151867585
You can't honestly expect a company to pay a lot for easy jobs. At this point they should just start importing labor from abroad and stop with the insane immigration policies.

>>151867526
>Workers slowly demand higher wages
Not in this case.
The anime industry is one of the top career among young people in Japan. The amount of people willing to draw cute girls for a living is well saturated at this point.
The reason why animators don't demand higher wages is not because they are pussies, but because they know that there are a lot of people that will be happy to replace them at the same condition and pay, if not lower.

>>151867653
>But they still import food
And export it.
Japan has a net import. the US and Europe have a net export.

>>151867443
>We have over-productivity
This is literally the most retarded thing I hear all year. Are you a communist per chance? Is the only way to explain how the fuck you think that something like over-productivity is even a thing.

Pretty much anyone that has studied even a bit of economy would understand that demand always catch to supply, and that will always happen while human are human and the economy is not managed by monkeys.

What's actually even the point of trying to make "sakuga" (which we Westerners mean to say noticeable moments of animation) when people in Japan don't really care for it anyway? Why are the animators doing extra work for shit that nobody will really pay for?

>>151867659
And it slowly becomes less saturated as the industry grows. Get it?

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>>151857342
>be dirty foriegner bahijd
>btfo gloris nihon japs by being a better animator than the majority of the industry and having balls to criticise it
Why are foreigner-kuns so based
t.Thomas Romain

>>151867654
>You can't honestly expect a company to pay a lot for easy jobs.
Supply and demand, man. That's how the free market works.

>>151867585
>entrylevels have trouble feeding themselves
Because the condition on anime industry (more supply on labor) and the condition wherever else (healthcare, IT, etc according to the pic) are different.
You don't hear a 7 eleven clerk on Japan being meagerly paid because of this.

I grew up in Nippon and it blew chunks.

>study your ass off to get into a top school
>come up short and get rejected
>life ruined. Everyone you cared for abandons you and marks you as a failure. Can't get a job.
>an hero yourself.

I worked my ass off at my job for nothing. I had no life outside work. Any sort of hobby was frowned upon.

I remember once my co-workers son died and he had to profusely apologize to everyone for leaving so early. When he got back he again apologized and not a word was said about his sons death.

One of our hardest working employees dies from overwork. Everyone is quick to call him lazy and useless. He did a 33 hour shift and died 29 hours into it. Nobody went to his funeral either.

I come in at 7AM and I don't get out till almost 10 somedays. Most the time I'm just surfin the web or staring off into space. Why? Nuddin else to do. Can't leave till Boss gets out.

It's a toxic work culture thanks to American ideals.

>>151867679
Not him but what about all the shitty E.T. NES cartridges they had to bury in the desert?

>>151867653
USA exports far more food than it imports. In fact it has so much food it literally cannot find enough places to export to and tons (literal tons) get donated to charity missions every year.

>>151867571
Most countries have a full employment at something like 4% unemployment, the rest is just frictional unemployment and is is generally bad for the economy. Japan has a dire lack of workers.

>>151867733
>You don't hear a 7 eleven clerk on Japan being meagerly paid because of this.
If we did, wouldn't anyone really care?

>>151867692
Except the fact that the last 10 years, where the industry grows quite significantly, the supply of labor saturates even more.
Because in this case the larger the anime industry, the more young people that will be attracted to it and thus further saturates the work force.

>>151867770
Oversupply happens but is quickly solved by simply destroying the excess product.

>>151867798
That is beside the question.

>>151857375

They do that because the in-betweener is a fuck-up who failed the exam multiple times in a row. At that point, they're just taking up space that could be used for someone e actually competent.

Japan has a lot of red tape when it comes to firing people, so they instead prefer to just bully you until you leave.

>>151864230
>Explain to me how old people negatively effect the economy.
Welfare drain. Wealth sink. Holding onto housing stock.

So, young people in Japan want to become animators instead of trying to get smart enough to get into a real job.

>>151867752
This is the kind of shit that sends people on murder sprees.

>>151867864
Still better than getting a 60k debt for a useless degree and then be a youtuber.

>>151867679
>Are you a communist per chance?
Nope.

>>151867832
>by simply destroying the excess product.
And that's the point. The company owners realized they don't actually need to produce that much because the market is saturated. If there were more demand, they'd be able to meet it within months. But since there isn't, productivity is stuck.

>>151867864
Yeah how dare they want to pursue their interests and work in an industry they care about. They should be a soulless office drone or retail monkey instead.

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>>151863803
>bd sales on decline, lowest in at least 13 years according to graph
>live event sales up
>pachinko and international rights sales up
>stream sales to overtake bd sales in coming years

Yeah, doing great. Combine that with the production issues that every studio outside KyoAni is facing now, and the issue of new generations of animators being talentless hacks and industry being kept alive by 40-60 year old animators, and it becomes painfully obvious that anime bubble crash is inevitable at this point.

The industry needs drastic changes. Animators need to unionize and studios have to adapt KyoAni model. Marketing departments have to work on reaching a wider and new audience, they can't rely on NEET/otakubux forever, that well is going to dry up pretty soon too.

>>151867922
Now they can be soulless drones drawing stuff while their health deteriorates.

>>151867770
Just mean that people don't want that product specially, if that, and not that our ability to produce stuff is higher than our demand for goods as whole. Hell, just take a look at how most really rich people live and say if most people wouldn't want to live that and go back to tell me about "oversupply".

>>151867920
>>151867443
>overproductivity
This is not a bad thing.
It only means the producer can sell their products at a lower price, which will then drive the demand.

>>151867925
That's why they, the producers, the ones who matter, now try to sell the anime they finance to women and Chinks.
Nobody still gives a crap about the animation studios themselves.

>>151867952
>Now they can be soulless drones drawing stuff while their health deteriorates.
It's better than soulless drones doing office work while their health deteriorates (at least to some people).

>>151867990
>lowering prices
>a good thing

>>151867990
This is correct, my colon overproduces shit which i then post on /a/.

>>151867671
>>151867783
True, but still, no one is gonna starve in Japan just because old people dared to eat food.

>>151867788
In Japan, you are only considered unemployed if you did not work a single hour in the last 30 days and seek employment. Other countries have other methods to determine employment.

>>151867952
It's not like they'll be entrylevel for all their life.
Most of these people work for 2-3 years and either get good and gets promoted or leave the industry entirely leaving room for the newcomers.
In fact, the desk-fee people are discussing about earlier is for the entrylevels who had been working for a couple of year who havent gotten good yet and are not willing to resign and give up.

>>151867990
>It only means the producer can sell their products at a lower price,
And voila, we have deflation. Which the yen is struggling with. And their economy is still at the bottom because people don't buy stuff.

>>151868043
Oh gee, that's why my 4GB RAM smartphone should have cost me $40k instead of $400.

>>151867990
>can sell their products at a lower price
Rather say have to than can. No one wants this

>>151868102
When the market is saturated you don't want to lower prices, you want to lower production costs and increase your profit that way.

>>151868051
>In Japan, you are only considered unemployed if you did not work a single hour in the last 30 days and seek employment.
[Citation Needed]

And even if that is true, it don't explain the fact that there's more jobs than jobs applicants.

>>151868056
Yeah I agree, If there's anything wrong with Nips economy is that people don't really buy much stuff.
The only healthy way to fix this is of course more tourist or expanding into and annexing something.

>>151868102
>paying $400 for a smartphone
You can get good Chink smartphones for $150, in fact my Chink phone performed better than $300 phone I got as a gift.

>>151868134
Or they can sell more at the same price.
Anything to get them more of the marketshare.

>>151857967
>>151866727

Not the guy that wrote that but you should read it from first hand experience:

http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/

>>151867925
>Marketing departments have to work on reaching a wider and new audience
But that's exactly what they've been doing? Did you even read the chart? Overseas sales now make up the largest chunk of the industry's profits. It's such a big part that even animation studios now see their second largest revenue stream coming from overseas. This has been a growing trend for the last few years. And it has done nothing to improve the lot of animators. Because the anime industry has over the last 20 years become heavily commercialized, used as but a cog in a larger advertising machine, the studios and their craft becoming less and less essential to the entire process.

If the animators rock the boat too much the industry could just ditch them for a cheaper long term option: CG animation. The only ones who really care about traditional animation are the obsessive fans who currently drive the core of the industry. If you decide you no longer care about them then you have no reason to continue clinging to the old ways and can just embrace shitty computer animation like America did.

>>151868173
That's why they're now putting their hopes into the Olympics and trying to goad the world into coming to Japan to see Hello Kitty and Pretty Cure and One Piece and Love Live and Super Mario and whatever entertainment media exports that Japan is famous for while watching athletes compete for little golden medals.

>>151868213
they're both made in china, so you're only paying extra for the brand name

>>151868231
>Or they can sell more at the same price.
With a saturated market that's going to give you diminishing returns, especially since every other company is going to lower their prices as well.
You're fucked at this point.

>>151868213
The $400 dollar phone is a chinkphone.
It was fine but that is beside the point.

Is Japan's economy really fucked or is this another case of Americans shitting on other countries to feel good about themselves?

>>151868286
>Is Japan's economy really fucked
Difficult to judge. I'd say they're getting by, but on a lower standard than they should.

>>151868237
Those overseas sale are 90% from China, their version of otaku is more or less the same to Nips in terms of taste and such.

>>151868286
>shrinking labor pool
>consumers consuming less and less every year
>demographics already skewed toward the elderly and only getting worse
It's pretty fucked.

>>151868151
>it don't explain the fact that there's more jobs than jobs applicants
They must measure it in some strange way, or it's all shit paying jobs for shady companies.

>>151868201
It's probably more about the decreasing number of consumers in Japan. But sure, if nips had more money they might buy more shit.

>>151868151
>it don't explain the fact that there's more jobs than jobs applicants.
Japan tries to create enough jobs for everyone who wants to work. This is logical in a country where it is shameful to be unemployed or a hikkikimori, and Japan isnt that generous with social benefits for the unemployed.

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>>151867925

The bubble bursting NEEDS to happen at this point. There is too much anime being made simultaneously every year. It's cheapening the medium and lowering the value of animators and animation studios. It needs to become a rarer commodity, to remind people that they like it and want to see more of it. Only then can there be more money flowing through a smaller number of studios, raising overall pay of everyone involved.

If it keeps going at the rate it is, the same shit that happened to America will happen in Japan: 3D animation and cheap Flash cut-out animation taking over. (like pic related)

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdVLZEcdC-I

>>151868324
To a certain degree. But now the chinks want their own brand of anime that caters to their own taste.
So, more stuff like "I am Hero".

>>151868151
>>151868151
Because these excess of jobs requires experties that not enough people find interesting.
The jobs that people find interesting or easy in terms of qualification are the one that are saturated with labor.

>>151868376
>the decreasing number of consumers in Japan
The number of Japanese is still relatively stable, and old people traditionally require more expensive goods than young ones.
Japan just started automating nursing homes and hospitals. There would definitely be a market, if anybody could pay for it.

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>>151856322
her moles are so cute

>>151867605
>>151867630
Oh... I was hoping to see the effect of the bubble economy on the industry.

>>151857428
>PA Works
>the studio that started the workers are treated like shit scandal
no

>The animation studios most able to offer competitive wages, high productivity and stable employment are the big ones, with the result that small and medium-sized studios are always losing young talent. This further disincentivizes them from nurturing individual animator's talents; instead they are hired on a freelance basis and pressured to churn out their work. As a result, these smaller studios are characterized by inexperienced workers with low technical skills, low productivity, and low wages. This drives more animators into bigger studios, creating a vicious cycle.

KyoAni confirmed for ruining the anime industry

thanks KyoAni

>>151867925
Why do people act like trying to expand their audience will work? Normalfags don't buy anime. They have never bought anime. The industry didn't become centered on otaku for no reason, it's not like they threw a dart at a board of demographics and it landed on otaku, it's not like otaku somehow forced the industry to cater to them. What happened was otaku in the 80s and 90s started buying anime shit at a rate that eclipsed every other demographic so as to make them irrelevant. Whichever studio produced the show otaku liked the most saw profits soar. Anime studios learned that if they wanted to make money, you had to chase the otaku yen. That was from a time when their market was pretty much just Japan and overseas distribution was extremely limited.

They have more options now, a wider selection. But for the most part it still seems the old laws hold true: normalfags don't spend money on anime and never will, but otaku exist in every nation.

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>>151867752
This seem insane to me. Are the Japanese really that cold and toxic? I just don't get it.

>>151868259
Yeah, that's what I was implying, no reason to waste money.

>>151868265
Did you fall for the meme numbers? Unless you want to play shitty phone games you don't need to buy the top phones any more. In regular use you just get a big excess of performance and a bunch of useless gadgets.

>>151857558
>This season, we have over 40 simulcasts—more than we’ve ever had. And most of those shows are coming from repeat publishers who’ve been with us from day one. Publishers get the majority of the money [from your subscription] and they’re very happy with what they’re getting.

source:
http://otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/

also:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-09

>>151868447
>stable
Fair enough, it'll only be considered decreasing when the numbers didn't achieve the expected consumer growth.

>>151867752

Sounds pretty much the same as described here >>151868233

>>151857485
>people still believe CR's bullshit
Heaven help us all.