Dragon Ball Thread

>>151824173
>first post

King Cold is in his final form, Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, Tien is the strongest human, Trunks surpassed Blue Vegito and Beerus, Gohan is still irrelevant

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Cell is a shit villain.

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>>151824126
>Discuss everything Dragon Ball here.

SSB Kaiokek x 10

>>151824211
>King Cold is in his final form
>Gohan is still irrelevant
True

>Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, Tien is the strongest human, Trunks surpassed Blue Vegito and Beerus
And then you had to fuck it up

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>>151824231
Ironically, Black is more "perfect" than Cell

>>151824238
It's always the mangafags that talk about how the manga is much better.

Switch this shit around.

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>>151824126
In before "Mango Black isn't smug!"

>>151824259
Kid Buu's Ki was explicitly stated to increase from Super Buu, Krillin stopped training after Buu and became a fucking cop while Tien continued pushing himself, Trunks fought and defeated Zamasu while Vegito couldn't inflict any damage even with his super duper Final Kamehameha. And he was stronger than Beerus, that much should be obvious.

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>>151824239
>Except what Toei did was fuck up power scaling for the sake of fanservice.

As opposed to fuck up power scaling to make the villain shit?

How is SS Black losing to SS2 Vegeta not fucked up power-scaling?

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>>151824284
>is smug
>then whines like a little bitch when he's losing
>JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DBZ VILLAIN

Oh wow, what an interesting character

Can we not have this turn into another autistic shitflinging "MUH MANGO IS BETTER THAN UR ANIMU" thread? Please, guys?

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Broly would beat up Cell easily

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>>151824284

>>151824328
He's just exposed for the little bitch he truly is: Zamasu.

>>151824304
>Kid Buu's Ki was explicitly stated to increase from Super Buu
No, you mean buffed up Buu's power was explicitly stated to increase.

>Krillin stopped training after Buu and became a fucking cop while Tien continued pushing himself,
And promotional material for Resurrection F as well as Toriyama after the manga ended still called Krillin the strongest. So, official material > your headcanon.

>Trunks fought and defeated Zamasu while Vegito couldn't inflict any damage even with his super duper Final Kamehameha.
Plot armor

>And he was stronger than Beerus, that much should be obvious.
Except it isn't

>>151824342
Perfect Cell regenrates after Broly's attack, and barely wins against him

Super Perfect Cell easily kills Broly

>>151824366
>Black is Zamasu
>Zamasu is Zamasu
>both literally the same character with no differences between them besides appearance
>this is somehow more interesting than a Zamasu that has taken some of Goku's traits due to his new body and is a completely different character to future Zamasu

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>>151824366
> Giving two different villains from different time-lines is a bad thing

>>151824231
destroy earth = dooming himself to a boring life he should've defeated gohan and become the first bad guy to become good guy without being defeated

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>>151824284
>Black in the anime
>goes back in time and correctly figures out that Trunks used a time machine and he was able to come back through time through the trail that his machine left
>Sees Son Goku, acts smug towards him, is happy that he's able to fight him and test his body's full power
>Sees Vegeta and Beerus and doesn't act like a little bitch

>manga Black
>gets worried when he sees Vegeta and Goku
>went to the future because he was a pussyfuck afraid of Beerus
>doesn't figure out the situation without Goku and Vegeta spoonfeeding everything to him
>breaks down after Vegeta kicks his ass

>b-b-but muh mango

>>151824380
Cell was stated to be Solar System level at peak.
Broly destroyed entire galaxies and was stated that he would destroy the entire Universe if left unchecked (this is within a regular Saiyan lifespan, mind you, meaning he'd have to be well above SS-Buster to get that done)
Cell was SSJ2 level, which is 2x SSJ1
Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
Broly stomps if we scale accurately.

>>151824323
>"muh villain is shit! xD"
Will you shut the fuck up if he gets Rose this month and starts winning?

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>>151824480
> Rose will fix everything

You obviously don't know what the main issue is

>>151824460
>Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
Broly is SS5 level guys!

>>151824460
All that was stated in the official Japanese movie was that he was going to destroy the south galaxy if left unchecked. Nothing about multiple galaxies let alone the universe.

>>151824369
>No, you mean buffed up Buu's power was explicitly stated to increase.
And there was no mention of it decreasing when he turned into Kid Buu, they just underestimated his size.

And promotional material for Resurrection F as well as Toriyama after the manga ended still called Krillin the strongest. So, official material > your headcanon.
>Promotional material from over a year ago for a non-canon film should still be taken seriously
Ok anon

>Plot armor
So no argument then?

>Except it isn't
Blue Goku and Vegeta could potentially fight Beerus to a standstill based on Goku's performance as an SSG and Beerus's reaction to SSB Kaio-Ken. Vegito is a fusion of them and could probably use SSB Kaio-Ken as well, ignoring the retarded time limit retcon. It isn't hard.

So for the universe survival arc, why are they going with Roshi as opposed to Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Monaka, or Mr. Satan?

>>151824460
>Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
>Broly stomps if we scale accurately

Then SS1 Goku beats Broly with energy gathered by a bunch of crippled people in one punch

Then 2 kamehameha's (plus Goku's ghost) kills a stronger version of that villain in the sequal

>>151824323
Black looks like he's crying in that first panel

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>>151824552
Roshi is the strongest of the weakest

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>>151824562
I think he actually might be

>>151824592
They should have at least gotten someone a little bit stronger, like Jackie Chun

I wonder where he is now?

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>>151824546
>And there was no mention of it decreasing when he turned into Kid Buu, they just underestimated his size.
Pic related.

>Promotional material from over a year ago for a non-canon film should still be taken seriously
>Toriyama's statements shouldn't be taken seriously
Ok anon

>So no argument then?
Fine, Vegetto very clearly weakened Zamasu as at the beginning Zamasu was putting up a good fight and right before Vegetto defused, he was being pounded.

>Blue Goku and Vegeta could potentially fight Beerus to a standstill based on Goku's performance as an SSG
Now you're the one using information from a non-canon movie as an argument

>Beerus's reaction to SSB Kaio-Ken
>a sweat drop now means shit
Hit was scared of Champa and Goku pussied out the moment Beerus told him he could fight him

>Vegito is a fusion of them and could probably use SSB Kaio-Ken as well, ignoring the retarded time limit retcon. It isn't hard.
>Toriyama/Toei cares about numbers

>>151824434
I mean, him being scared of Beerus makes sense. Beerus would fucking slaughter him.

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>>151824265
SS3 is useless for long-term battles.

In the short-run, SS3 > SS2

>>151824524
No because SSJ is x50, x5 of that is x250, SSJ4 is only x400.

>>151824557
>Then SS1 Goku beats Broly with energy gathered by a bunch of crippled people in one punch

Plot my dude

>>151824672
>Pic related
You literally just proved that Super Buu's power went down when he lost his absorptions. That's it.

>Toriyama's statements
Regarding a now non-canon film from a year and a half ago. Yes, I think it's a better idea to go with what the currently-running series is giving us.

>Vegito weakening Zamasu
He didn't even damage him. He beat him around a few times but it did nothing. Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword and literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.

>Non-canon movie
I'm using Super. They were fighting equally and the clashes threatened to destroy the universe.

>Hit and Goku were scared
They had just fought through several matches, particularly Goku. They were fucking exhausted, of course fighting against Beerus and Champa at that point would have been retarded.

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Will Spirit Bomb Blade happen in the manga?

Without the Human Resistance, won't he receive less energy?

>>151824231
He wasn't really a villain, he just wanted to test his perfection.

Cell did nothing wrong.

>>151824802
>You literally just proved that Super Buu's power went down when he lost his absorptions. That's it.
Do you know how to read?
>He's stronger than either of us

>Regarding a now non-canon film from a year and a half ago. Yes, I think it's a better idea to go with what the currently-running series is giving us.
No, moron. Toriyama's statement AFTER the manga ended in a fucking interview.

>He didn't even damage him. He beat him around a few times but it did nothing. Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword and literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.
You're retarded. Vegetto was pounding the shit out of Zamasu after he turned into that giant form and mocked him for not being able to keep up with his speed. Zamasu was clearly weaker in his beefed-up form.

>I'm using Super. They were fighting equally and the clashes threatened to destroy the universe.
Yes, and you surely believe that Beerus was using his full power despite the fact that Whis said he was nowhere near it.

>They had just fought through several matches, particularly Goku. They were fucking exhausted, of course fighting against Beerus and Champa at that point would have been retarded.
They had senzu beans. Goku could have asked Krillin for one and fought Beerus if he was so much stronger.

>>151824834
Yes I think it will. Perhaps Goku can charge up a Spirit Bomb and pass it on similar to how he passed it on to Krillin in the Saiyan arc? Just guessing.

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>>151824802
Toriyama Interview:
>Toriyama: Kuririn was originally supposed to be just a minor role, so to have him become Goku’s best friend in the blink of an eye…
>Koyama: Well, he is the strongest Earthling male.
>Toriyama: You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. (laughs)

RoF Krillin Character Bio:
>The strongest Earthling warrior, who became a pupil of Kame-Sen’nin’s with Goku, and who has fought together with him in numerous life-or-death battles. Now he patrols the town as a police officer.

>>151824913
He said he wanted to continue on destroying the solar system and beyond to test his perfection. Seems pretty villain like to me.
Let's also not forget he drank people like smoothies to achieve his goal. Seems pretty fishy to me.

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>>151824802
>Vegetto beat him around a few times but it did nothing.
Zamasu has a (semi?) immortal body

> He beat him around a few times but it did nothing.
Yet, it was still pretty much a one-sided fight in Vegetto's favor. Zamasu was the one being pushed back. Iirc, Zamasu only landed one successful hit...which in the end was only Vegetto baiting him into the Spirit Sword

> Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword
Actually he made a small cry of pain, and Vegetto called him out on it. Remember he said something along the lines of "why did you wince in pain? I thought you were supposedly immortal?"

> literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.
I didn't see a laugh. Just a lot of smoke. Who knows if it actually hurt him, but his regenerative/immortal body probably helped.

>>151824935
Back then the Spirit Bomb was much smaller. But maybe..?

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>>151824947
TIEN FAGS BTFO

>>151824920
>He's stronger than either of us
And so is Kid Buu.

>Toriyama's statement
Source, retard.

>Vegito was pounding Zamasu
I see you're ignoring the fact that his best efforts did no damage. I accept your concession.

>You sure believe Beerus was using his full power
No, but Goku and Beerus were clashing with universe-busting level power. If Goku can output that kind of power it stands to reason that Goku+Vegeta=Vegito could trash Beerus.

>They had Senzu Beans
I'm not saying Goku is stronger than Beerus, faganon, pay attention.


>>151824947
When is this interview from?

>>151824947
> Interview
Old

> Bio
Unofficial

>>151824328
>like a bitch
>zamasu

Holy shit what a surprise

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>>151825083
>And so is Kid Buu.
Uh-huh, sure he is bud.

>Source, retard.
>>151824947

>I see you're ignoring the fact that his best efforts did no damage. I accept your concession.
He's immortal, moron.

>No, but Goku and Beerus were clashing with universe-busting level power. If Goku can output that kind of power it stands to reason that Goku+Vegeta=Vegito could trash Beerus.
This is a non-sequitur. Just because Goku can destroy universes doesn't mean he's anywhere close to Beerus' power. We don't know what's Beerus' limit.

>I'm not saying Goku is stronger than Beerus, faganon, pay attention.
You're saying Goku and Vegeta together could "potentially fight Beerus together to a standstill". I'm saying if they could, then at the tournament they would have done so. Hell, if they could, then they would do so right now, because Beerus is a pain in the ass and they most likely want to stop obeying him (especially Vegeta, who is treated like a bitch and servant).

>>151825174

See:
>>151824401
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>>151824350
>suddenly cocky is not generic

Damn you're right it's not like any db villain is a cocky bitch

>>151825262

See: >>151824434

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>>151825129
Is the whole Dragon Ball manga non-canon now as well because it old? What's the new canon now, is it just pic-related?

>>151825129
>old = not canon anymore xD

I accept your concession

>>151825288
>says cocky is generic
>shows me a post where it says Black is good because he's cocky

Anon...

>>151825314
Yes

>>151825475
>Black in the anime respects his opponents due to Goku's blood
>He respects Goku, calling him the "greatest warrior of the great warrior race" and wants to learn more about him
>Even though he calls Vegeta an appetizer, he respected the fact that Vegeta could achieve Super Saiyan Blue, as he shows off Rosé "as a reward"

>manga Black hates everything and is literally coldsteel

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>More manga vs anime memes

Whatever, show me your favorite panel, anons

>>151825389
>I accept your concession

Shouldn't you be in school or something? Or is this early recess?

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>>151825614
>due to Goku's blood

So headcanon, ok

>>151825649
>No argument

Again, I accept your concession

>>151825475
> I said generic vs cocky

Anon...

>>151825742
Whatever kid. Make sure your parents don't catch you skipping

>>151825687
You're literally retarded

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>>151825687
Stop trying to pretend you paid attention.

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>>151824323
> SS Black losing to SS2 Vegeta is stupid

It was actually SS2 Black losing to SS2 Vegeta

>>151824323
Is SS2 vs SSB

How can you be retard

>>151824350
>up, Black before reach his rosé form
>down, Black after reach his rosé form

Yeah, I wonder why one is more worried than the other, retard

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>>151825944
even though anon got the wrong pic.
doesnt change the fact that vegeta ssj2 was toying with black ssj2.

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Will Goku and Vegeta ever surpass Beerus?

>>151825857
>1 random line
>H-he acts different because of Goku's blood!

>>151826110
That's like asking if Ash is going to win a league

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>>151825990
>down, Black taking a loss with dignity
>up, Black losing like a little bitch

Mods need to b& these manga vs anime shitposters.

>>151825990
It was still right before Future Zamasu arrives. So it'a about the same point in the arc

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>>151826068
this shit makes no sense.
trunks ssj2 was already above goku's ssj2 and at full power equal to goku's ssj3. so why the fuck is vegeta ssj2 so much more powerful then goku's.
I know vegeta ssj2 surpassed goku's ssj3 in BOG but black base was mocking trunks ssj2. so black ssj2 should be able to put up a much better fight. also trunks commented that black became stronger yet he got his ass kicked like a saibaman

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>>151825944
Are you stupid?

SS2 Vegeta was wrecking SS(2) Black. SSB was just to humiliate him

>>151826214
Try reporting them. It's the only thing we can do about this.

>>151826173
If they don't even surpass the purple kitty how are they going to be useful against Grand Priest and his master plan?

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Anime Black is best boy.
Manga Black is shit boy.

>>151826273
Done and done. It's usually the same faggots every thread who deliver nothing new to the table. Reported.

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>>151824434
>gets worried when he sees Vegeta and Goku
So Black isn't retarded and realize there's problems with his zero ningen plan? How is that a bad thing?

>went to the future because he was a pussyfuck afraid of Beerus
Both Zamasu did, anon, manga and anime one, because Beerus is stronger than him.

>doesn't figure out the situation without Goku and Vegeta spoonfeeding everything to him
Except Black realize those Goku and Vegeta aren't the natives from Trunks' timeline also later he asks Vegeta about their timeline, so yeah, he knows they went from another parallel world, why you lying, faggot?

>breaks down after Vegeta kicks his ass
Wow... A Zamasu encarnacion being mad because a ningen kick his ass? Impossible...!

>>151826268
tien stalling semi perfect cell will always be the greatest inconsistent crap of the entire series.

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>>151826127
>random line
You must be baiting

>Trunks SSJ2 is equal to Goku's SSJ3

This is stupid as fuck and shouldn't happen.
SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2 at base, and a Saiyan's literal limit-breaker that draws their full potential. Anything equaling it is bad.
Toyotaro has had fucking A W F U L power-scaling in the FTrunks arc.

>>151826177
>down, Black taking a loss against a SS2
>up, Black taking a loss against a SSB

Wow, SSB Vegeta is thousands times stronger than SS2 Goku, incredible!


>>151826220
Not an argument. At that moment anime-Black have his god form, unlike manga-Black.

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>>151826517
because this makes more sense?

>>151826649
>it's good because it validates something bad that shouldn't exist in the first place

You're not selling me here

>>151824834
Maybe Trunks will defeat Zamasu in a totally different way in the manga. Still using his sword but with some different power up.

>>151826632
black base losing to goku ssj2> black ssj2 being tossed by vegeta ssj2/ssblue.

>>151826268
the moment toyotaro wrote trunks ssj2= goku ssj3 I knew he would eventually fuck it up and make an inconsistent mess out of it.

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>>151826649
Young Trunks(and Goten) have far more potential than Future Trunks, too. They were going super saiyan as a game while the others had to struggle to reach that. It's funny how outclassed Goku and Vegeta would be if the kids actually trained.

Wait, why aren't Goten and Trunks still training? You just see them putz around anymore and maybe see Trunks blushing over Mai. They're not like Gohan, they actually like training and having adventures. So I don't get why they quit.

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>>151826632
>Black, taking a loss against an SSB with dignity and improving himself to match his strength
> >>151826177 Black losing like a little bitch against an SSB

>>151826649
> Existing form being stupidly powerful makes more sense than a new form

> Implying SS Rage will be anime-exclusive anyway

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>>151826632
>Wow, SSB Vegeta is thousands times stronger than SS2 Goku, incredible

SS(2) Black was getting his ass handed to him by even SS2 Vegeta

>>151826851
>Young Trunks(and Goten) have far more potential than Future Trunks, too. They were going super saiyan as a game while the others had to struggle to reach that
In the manga, we don't see how Future Trunks goes super saiyan for the first time though. He might have the same potential as kid Trunks.

>>151826851
toryiama chose roshi over trunks and goten. in a tournament that decides the fate of the universe.

>>151826780
>no argument
OK

>>151826863
>SSB-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB vs SS2-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB
>also being proud of edgy masochist Black
Kek, keep trying

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Is that what we're resorting to now? Is that the thing?
>"no argument"
Fucking ridiculous. Don't even bother shitposting.

>>151826948
>>SSB-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB vs SS2-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB
Black was already losing to SS2 Vegeta, but keep it up, anon, kek

>>also being proud of edgy masochist Black
>having a personality is bad

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>>151826948
>SSB-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB
He actually improved right after he got angry

> vs SS2-tier Black taking a loss against a SSB

I think you mean SS2. SSB was unnecessary, as SS2 Vegeta already had the upper-hand

> being proud of a bland, villain-fodder Black

Okay.jpg

So, Satan, while being a fraud, is STILL a martial artist
He is still stronger than regular humans
So why don't they atleast teach him to fly?

>>151827109
I assume that after all the time he spent claiming that flying and Ki blasts were tricks and shit, that he doesn't want to learn it out of fear people will figure out he's bullshitting.

Plus, flying is actually a complex technique.

>>151827109
>thinking the great Mr. Satan would ever have really on fancy smoke and mirror tricks

fucking idiot, he's already the strongest
no stupid tricks are going to change that

>>151826947
I would, too.
Would you rather have a skilled combatant that could at least beat fodder (that seems to be the majority of most Universes), or two absolute dipshits who would get out-smarted by some fucking Nappa-tier scrubs and take the L.

>>151827130
Well, when he told that story of how he defeated "Demon Beerus" in his "Super Satan" form, nobody really called bullshit.

Also, Videl could do it, so why not?

>>151827166
Videl was stronger than Mr. Satan though, and she spent a lot of time learning it even so.

Mr. Satan is also a lazy cunt post-Cell.

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>XV2 has all these items for characters
>Raddish
>Dabra cookie
>Yamcha sword
>Kaio Hat
>No fucking Potaras

>>151827203
Would barely be noticeable.
Would be annoying to implement physics for them, and if they didn't they'd look stupid and rigid.

>>151824698

This guy gets it, it even works like that in Xenoverse 2.

>>151826281
>Goku and Vegeta
>Surpassing anyone

They're here to job and show how strong the new characters are

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>>151827203
Also:
>can't add more than one item on your character

>>151827044
>He actually improved right after he got angry

So it's okay when Black keeps his rage boosts but Vegeta being able to control his BoG SS2 is a 'no no, asspull'?

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>>151824304
The "debate" has been settled since sometime in 1993, when Toriyama told us vicariously through Yamcha in the manga that Kuririn was "the strongest in the world, at least among Earthlings." Every source that matters has only repeated that sentiment since then, and it seems highly unlikely at this point that Kuririn will lose the title.

Tenshinhan is a natural Earthling as well (the only sources to hint at his distant alien heritage still label him as one) and he's done nothing to show that he's stronger than Kuririn or anyone else. He's shown that he's braver or more reckless, he's shown that he's a more dedicated warrior, he's shown that he has better work ethic, he's shown that he has more broken techniques... but he's shown nothing to actually demonstrate, clearly and plainly, that he's actually stronger.

A weaker character training while a stronger one remains static does not in any way guarantee the former will just automatically surpass the latter, especially if the latter's lead was huge. That was the case for base Goku compared to 100% Freeza, and it's apparently the same for Tenshinhan compared to Kuririn too.

I don't blame the average Tenshinhan fan for not knowing better. Tenshinhan does exude an air of strength and confidence compared to Kuririn that makes him feel like he should be the stronger one, and he does have a better past track record than Kuririn. But "feel" does not equal fact, and a past status quo does not determine the future. When one has everything laid out for them like this — every straightforward and un-twistable guidebook tidbit and Toriyama quote presented, every so-called "feat" of Tenshinhan's explained, and the distinct lack of any evidence to the contrary — and yet still insists, "nope, Kuririn CAN'T be stronger than Tenshinhan," then... that's stopped being innocent ignorance and has become stubborn defiance of the truth.

>>151827015
>Black was already losing to SS2 Vegeta
So?

>"having a personality is bad"
Manga-Black have a personality. Anime-Black have the same one but edgier, masochist. Having a personality isn't necessarily bad, anime-Black personality is bad.


>>151827044
>he actually
Ignoring the "I stabed my hand so I get angry and became more powerfull" aspull also the inconsistency of the cheated zenkai missing... where's your point? anime-Vegeta kicked anime-Black's ass (before the asspull to filler another episode), not so easily as manga-Vegeta did with manga-Black because SSB and SSR are more equal. SS2-tier Black not being wrecked if fights a SSB is stupid.

>b-but SSB was unnecessary!
Wasn't. Black is supposed to obtain a SSB form (recolored and renamed as SSR but whatever) after being defeated by Goku/Vegeta. Manga-Black obtain his SSB form after feel the power of a true SSB in his body, anime-Black obtain his SSB form fighting a SS2.
Black being defetaed by a SSB actually makes sense, that's why Vegeta goes Blue and Black is so wrecked, if you can't deal with consistency because you love Black too much is your problem.

>"being proud of a bland, villain-fodder Black"
>implying I'm proud of manga-Black
>implying manga-Black, which is literally anime-Black without the edgyness and masochism, is bland
Whatever you say

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>>151827467
TIENFAGS BTFO YET AGAIN

>Tien keeps training

Wut? I thought he was a farmer now?

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>>151827467
Might as well post the full fight scene.

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>>151827582
>Krillin actually gets some shots in, dodges and makes Nappa bleed whilst Tien dies without inflicting so much as a scratch on Nappa

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hi

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>tfw hi

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>>151827616
After this comes >>151827467 then pic related

>>151824650
>Jackie Chun
Didn't he disappear after winning that zeni? What a shame, he could have been stronger than SSGSS Goku.

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reminder hi is eternal

>>151827616
He also one shots like 4 saibamen or something while still reserving one blast for Nappa and Vegeta.

And he got within an inch of killing Nappa because of his broken technique that never hits anything.

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>>151827650

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>yfw hi

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Alright faggots. Name 5 dragonball characters that aren't Jackie Chun.

Protip: You can't

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dear your hi is ready

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>>151827686

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>his hi isn't big enough

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>>151827727

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why is hi so magical?

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Anybody have the full set of the saiyan saga color scanes at this resolution? Or know who scanned/ripped it?

I remember I had a rar with them once but I lost it and I never found out if the namek saga was ever done, and I think these look gorgous

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>>151827748

>>151827769
http://mangaseeonline.net/manga/Dragon-Ball-Full-Color-Saiyan-Arc

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>>151827775
I miss teamwork fights like this.

Also,
>cunt Vegeta

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>>151827802
I'll just post until Goku arrives since this thread was being shitty anime vs manga until this point.

>>151827788
Those are only 1000x1600, the image I posted and the set I know it's from that I used to have is 1910x3056

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>>151828115

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>>151828141
>special snowflake power activate

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>>151828166

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>>151828229

>>151827726
Thank you honey. Also hi.

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>>151828271

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Post hot Chichis

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>>151828302

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>>151827539
>anime-Vegeta kicked anime-Black's ass (before the asspull to filler another episode)

After coming back from the present, where not only die he train so much in the RoSaT it exploded, he was angry for Trunks' sake

> Black being defetaed by a SSB actually makes sense
Yes. I never argued that retard

Losing to SS2 Vegeta made no sense. Pay attention.

> implying manga-Black, which is literally anime-Black without the personality, is bland

Nail on the head

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>>151827421

> same fight raged vs using rage from a completely different fight two arcs ago

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>>151828398

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>>151828459

>>151828459
noice, also good quality scans

>>151828359
>Losing to SS2 Vegeta made no sense

Made perfect sense. SS2 Vegeta was always more powerful than SS2 Trunks.

Goku and Vegeta both surpassed Buu-arc SSJ3 Goku long ago, even without God forms.

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>>151828483

I'm glad 90% of us can agree than Anime-Black is best boy and that Toyotaro once again displayed his lack of creativity and rigidity in ruining Manga-Black.
Truly, this roots out the brainless shills who can't form their own ideas.

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>>151828398
>>151828365
I cry every time.

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>>151828517

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>>151828502
>SS2 Vegeta was always more powerful than SS2 Trunks

Base Black > SS2 Trunks (=> SS3 Goku)

SS(2)Black < SS2 Vegeta?

>>151828365
>>151828398
>Wait a minute, why didn't I just grab him? I could probably still do that now actually. Yeah, that's it. I'll grab him and throw him out of the waAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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>>151828550

>>151828521
>90%
It's two people out of the 31 IPs on this thread, fucking moron.
see: >>151826991 and get depressed.

>>151828574
> could've grabbed Gohan and dodged

What was stopping him?

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>>151828576

>>151828502
>Made perfect sense
No
>Goku and Vegeta both surpassed Buu-arc SSJ3 Goku long ago, even without God forms.
Then why is trunk full powered ssj2=goku's ssj3 post U6 arc? and even sttonger then goku's ssj2?
base black in the manga toyed with trunks ssj2 and now he gets trashed by ssj2 vegeta as a ssj2.
so by logic vegeta>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goku

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>>151828550
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

>>151828588
>i-it's just two people!
>y-you're a moron!
>l-look at this huge image someone compiled because they take children's cartoons too seriously, h-haha!

That's just pathetic.
I have nothing but pity for whoever made that.

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>>151828609

>>151828643
>hurrr y-you take a children's cartoon too seriously!
>on /a/
(You)

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Anime Black spent atleast one year trying to doing something Super Buu did in couple seconds. Keep getting his kills thwarted by regular humans using conventional means like flash grenades and tear gas.

Manga Black killed everyone on Earth except Future Trunks and Future Mai. Trunks is only alive because Black is allowing him to, in order to getting stronger. Also doesn't let conventional means get in his way.

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>>151828661

>>151828681
Was that your image senpai?

>>151828692
Based anime black

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>>151828702

>>151828692
Don't forget that Mai is only alive because of plot circumstances allow her to be. Otherwise, she would have died just like everyone on Earth.

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>>151828742

>>151828692
trunks mentioned that there were still some people alive. stop talking out of your ass

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>>151828776

>>151828692
Somebody actually countered this last night, and boiled it down to whilst anime Black came off stupider, manga Black came off unthreatening for his failures after his refusal to kill Trunks.
So, yeah, another point for Anime Black.

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>>151828828
And finished.

>>151828612
>Then why is trunk full powered ssj2=goku's ssj3 post U6 arc

He isn't, you speedreading tard.

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>>151828588
Oh look it's this autistic post again

> degradation of characters
Like Manga Black?
Weakshit Manga Piccolo vs Frost?
Boring Beerus?
No sol moments like Baby Pan and Trunks visiting Gohan?

> Frost
Frost vs Piccolo in the manga was fucking awful

> Doesn't miss the smallest of details
Like how SS2 Trunks is at least as strong as SS3 Goku, but gets wrecked by base Black.

Wonder if he remembered writing that last chapter?

> Power-scaling
Read above

> Characters are remembers and made useful
Like Future Yajirobe?

> beautiful art
No lie there. Except for the occasional tracing.

> Toriyama gave Toyotaro his "seal of approval" when Toyo designed Hit and Black weaker. Therefore it's automatically better.
But that's fucking wrong retard

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>>151828863
Actually I'll just go up to the Over 8,000 scene because it's not that far away.

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>>151828905

>>151828897
read viz translation and not niggastream you uncultivated sperg.
vegeta says that trunks is equal to goku without transforming.

>>151827931
That scene with Goku clowning Nappa is one of the best in the series. So satisfying after everything that occurred prior.

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>>151828923

Also don't forget Krillin had the powerup on Namek

>>151828897
>He isn't, you speedreading tard.
but you wrong you illiterate cunt.

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You're all debating on which version of Super is better, when you all fail to realize that both are absolute shit.

Dragon Ball Multiverse is better in both story, power-scaling, art, and concepts. So, fuck off and get better taste.

>>151828826
He said there's very few people alive on Earth, but he isn't even sure about that.

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>>151826177
>down, anime Black taking a loss with dignity
Collapsing on the ground and clutching his chest like he has a heart virus after fighting SS2 Goku who was fucking around and not fighting seriously. Top kek.

People seem to have forgotten after this episode aired people were shitting on anime Black for being weak as shit and saying Goku could have ended the arc right there if he was serious.

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>>151828979

>>151828986
Salagir, stop this. No one's gonna start reading your shitty fancomic.

>>151828979
thanks Anon'.

>>151828986
multiverse does not even make sense after vegetto's retcon.

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>>151829010

>>151828986
>you all fail to realize that both are absolute shit.
Okay

> Dragon Ball Multiverse is better
Just when i was about to take your post seriously...

>>151827656
Maybe he is stronger?

I wonder where he is now

>>151828986
>get better taste
Take your own advice, Salagir.

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>>151827678
>>151827616
>>151827582
>>151827467
TIENFAGS BTFO
>mfw Krillin gets more relevant than Tien out of fucking nowhere in the Saiyan arc

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>>151828846
>unthreatening for his failures

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>>151829082

>>151825214
>Sure he is
Are you fucking stupid or something? Kid Buu never fought seriously the entire time he was fighting Goku. You're a dumb piece of shit if you think he ever went anywhere close to all out except maybe when he was fighting against the Spirit Bomb.

>>151824947
Again, when is this interview from, faggot?

>He's immortal, moron.
And can still be damaged, clearly, considering Trunks sliced him in half. You fucking idiot, you're defeating your own argument.

>We don't know Beerus' limit
What do you think, that he's multiverse buster? Because no. That's Zeno.

>Beerus is a pain in the ass
Beerus is good to have in a pinch, they're pretty bro-ey with him in the manga, and beating him would cause them to lose Whis as a training medium, which would fuck them both over seeing as how they literally spend all their fucking free time training with him.

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>>151829116

>>151829108
two of them are not made by toyotaro

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>>151829006
> Comparing BASE Black's graceful loss to SS2 Goku vs SS1 or SS2 Black's (don't fucking know) loss to SS2 Vegeta. Then getting pissed on by SSB Vegeta.

No comparison.

>People seem to have forgotten after this episode aired people were shitting on anime Black for being weak as shit
A very few minority. I was present in most of those threads at the time, and everyone loved him anyway for hia personality. Also he still had this threatening aura after smiling and saying it would only make him more "perfect"

Most posts at the time were wondering if Black was Goten, Future Goku, U10 Goku, etc

And loving his smug personality, and perfect VA work

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>>151829036
>Doesn't even make sense
>Disregarding the fact that Multiverse was made years before Super's conception, 2008 to be exact
>Being this retarded
>wew
You Superpedros never cease to make me laugh. Continue to eat up whatever Toei, Toyotaro, and Toriyama shit out of their asses. We'll be enjoying the ultimately better series that is Multiverse.

Vegetto and Bra are well-developed characters, and Salagir actually gives the spotlight to characters outside of the "muhh Goku and Vegeta," unlike Super, where it's Goku and Vegeta city.

>"multiverse is a shitty fanfiction xD"
As if Super isn't?
>"le evil goku"
Toriyama even took the concept of a Multiverse tournament from Salagir.

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>>151829108
You forgot

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>>151829201

>>151829087
This isn't even a lack of reading comprehension, it's a fundamental lack of comprehension.

lets be serious guys.
super as a whole wether it is the anime or the manga just isnt that good. The concept is better then anything in gt or some of Z but the execution on both sides is poor.

>>151829228
no one made a manga version fan art of that form

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>>151829229
And finished.

>>151829214
>Vegetto and Bra are well-developed characters,
They're both shit characters and Salagir keeps sucking their dick and ignoring their flaws, shut up.

>and Salagir actually gives the spotlight to characters outside of the "muhh Goku and Vegeta,"
Yes, to the point where it feels like U16 are the main characters and U18 are merely spectators and shouldn't even be in the story at all.

>>151829249
Then use the actual DB manga?

SSRose and SSRage aren't in the manga yet either

>>151829214
>Vegetto and Bra are well-developed characters
HAHAHA
More like "straight out of a bad comic" characters. Nigga forgot it was Dragon Ball and tried making it realistic when it never was. It's obnoxious af.

>and Salagir actually gives the spotlight to characters outside of the "muhh Goku and Vegeta," unlike Super, where it's Goku and Vegeta city.
Outside of who? I don't recall Goku or Vegeta doing anything in that comic. Multiverse is the opposite of Super, too many characters are doing stuff except it doesn't matter outside of what Vegetto does, which ultimately makes it the same as DBSuper : DBM is Ultra Buu/Vegetto's city.

>As if Super isn't?
Super is Toriyama's writing, as bad as it has become (in the anime at least). Multiverse is a fanfiction.

>Toriyama even took the concept of a Multiverse tournament from Salagir.
No. Multiverses and tournaments existed before DBM.

DBM has good points and also pretty bad ones. I can't really say it's better than Super. Even art-wise.

>>151829283
give me scans

>>151824552
Why's there no Arale?

>>151829082
>>151829116
>secondary characters could actually matter in this fight despite being relatively weak
>last stand type situation, just for revenge, they're out for blood
This is actually kinda awesome. Too bad Toriyama never did something like that.

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>>151829315

>>151829196
>No comparison.
Both the second fight in the arc featuring Black and after which it's implied he gets a Zenkai boost.
Yes comparison.

>A very few minority.
Nope, quite a lot of people since even before the Future Trunks arc people were bitching about DBS having no tension and then the first main villain loses to Goku while he was holding back. People were butthurt same as now with the manga.

>>151829386
not LQ shit give me HD scans

>>151827656
That was Master Roshi retard

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>>151829196
>graceful

>>151829425
>Yes comparison
Dignified fight vs humiliation?

Yea sure ok

> quite a lot of people since even before the Future Trunks arc people were bitching about DBS having no tension

Then I'm sure those same people woukd be upset at the manga's Future Trunks arc. Which objectively has much less tension than the anime

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Will Goku ever be cool again?

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>>151829201
>NO MERCY
>well... maybe a little...

>>151829438
...you're welcome?

Go do it yourself if you're going to be like that

>>151828302
that giant hand reaching out to me is very menacing

>>151829214
How are you today, Salagir?

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>>151829559
Will we ever get an arc as good as the Saiyan arc again?

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>>151829484

>>151829484
Black was being masochist at that moment

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>>151829281
>They're both shit
>No argument
Both Vegetto and Bra are better developed than most of the bland characters from Super, so fuck off. Salagir even took the opportunity to have an actual, strong female Saiyan for once unlike Toriyama and made her into a literal beast when it comes to strength. You're all hating on her character simply because she overshadows the main cast you grew up with, and whether or not you want to admit that is up to you, but it's the truth, and you know that.

Dragon Ball went into shit once Battle of Gods was made and hit the the theaters. But it doesn't matter to you idiots, because since you have shit taste, you'll practically eat what's given to you as long as it's written by Toriyama - a man who doesn't even remember events or characters from his own series and has admitted to not caring about Dragon Ball much. He's a fucking hack in comparison to Salagir - a man who has managed to implement and expand the lore of Dragon Ball with characters from countless universes, even going so far as to give them actual characterizations and stories.

Who the fuck cares if the characters from Universe 18 in Multiverse aren't the main characters? They've been the main characters for two whole series' and they're called Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. If you don't like it, continue to be a nostalgiachanchez and read/watch(assuming you're an animefag) those, meanwhile we'll be reading something that's more ultimately better written.

>>151829307
>Multiverse is a fanfiction
>B-because it's not like Super practically is, o-of course..

>Multiverses and tournaments existed before DBM.
Hmm, doing a multiverse tournament shortly following the most generic "Evil Goku" arc which has been literally taken from the deepest parts of Fanfiction.net? Yeah, it's all coincidence, all right. Toriyama can't write for shit anymore so he steals the ideas and concepts off of (actually good) fan fiction authors which once again proves how much of a hack he is.

>>151829559
>>151829612
Namek arc Goku and the Frieza fight was the peak of Goku's cool.
>transformed into SSJ due to pure rage
>managed to restrain himself, didn't want to kill Frieza, stayed true to himself
>ultimately forced to (as he thought) nuke Frieza with one last shot whilst cursing Frieza for forcing him to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHknjfAMH4

This was fucking baller

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>>151829612
Will we ever get the anime adaptation we deserved? >>151825657

>>151829484
Kinda wished Black DID have the heart virus.

That would explain why he jobbed so hard in the manga

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>>151829612
goten is goku and sees tarble land somewhere near him
>goten vs tarble

or goten (when hes older) rage ssj2 against an enemy

and (just an idea) when bra and pan are older they have to face an enemy alone and have to fuse to beat him (like gotenks with buu)

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>>151829535
>Dignified fight
See >>151829006

>Collapsing on the ground and clutching his chest like he has a heart virus after fighting SS2 Goku who was fucking around and not fighting seriously. Top kek.

>People seem to have forgotten after this episode aired people were shitting on anime Black for being weak as shit and saying Goku could have ended the arc right there if he was serious.

Anime Black lost to Toei Goku not fighting seriously
Manga Black lost to Vegeta who was eager to beat the shit out of someone with Goku's face using the strongest Saiyan transformation so far.

>Which objectively has much less tension than the anime
Not really, if regular humans can stop Super Saiyan Rose from killling Goku and the others then the anime doesn't really have any sense of danger (not that Dragon Ball ever did)

>>151829703
> writing THIS much

Fuck off Salagir

>>151829703
Just stop giving this baiting faggot (You)s, you bunch of dumbasses.

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>>151829616

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>>151829716

>>151829703
>Both Vegetto and Bra are better developed than most of the bland characters from Super, so fuck off
More development != Better character.
Especially when these characters steal the spotlight, are obnoxious and don't fit the DB tone. Vegetto and Bra are somewhere between meh and utter shit, depending on your sensibility.

>Salagir even took the opportunity to have an actual, strong female Saiyan for once unlike Toriyama and made her into a literal beast when it comes to strength
He made his Mary Sue the stronkest. Good. Wait, no, that's shit.

>You're all hating on her character simply because she overshadows the main cast you grew up with, and whether or not you want to admit that is up to you, but it's the truth, and you know that.
Partly. This is a valid reason to hate her though. I have no reason to like an obnoxious newcomer taking the place of the characters I actually want to see.

>you'll practically eat what's given to you as long as it's written by Toriyama - a man who doesn't even remember events or characters from his own series and has admitted to not caring about Dragon Ball much
Yes. And not remembering things/taking it easy was part of what made DB good, actually. Being an autistic fan makes you a bad DB writer.
>He's a fucking hack in comparison to Salagir - a man who has managed to implement and expand the lore of Dragon Ball with characters from countless universes, even going so far as to give them actual characterizations and stories.
KEK

>Hmm, doing a multiverse tournament shortly following the most generic "Evil Goku" arc which has been literally taken from the deepest parts of Fanfiction.net? Yeah, it's all coincidence, all right. Toriyama can't write for shit anymore so he steals the ideas and concepts off of (actually good) fan fiction authors which once again proves how much of a hack he is.
Is this bait now? Fuck off Salagir, feeling threatened by Super?

>>151829447
Yeah, and Mr. Satan didn't beat Cell

fucking idiot

>>151829801
If it actually looked like that, maybe.

WHERE'S MY FUCKING ANIME ADAPTATION

>>151829794
> sniper rifle does no damage

...and?

Are you desparate now that you're grasping at straws?

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>>151829447

>>151829703
This is bait

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What did he mean by this?

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>>151829559

>>151829856
>being this fucking stupid

>>151829837
Just showing off how graceful anime Black is

>>151829876
That was just okay though, because Goku can't stop making this fucking Luffy face.

When will they stop flanderizing him?

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>>151829703
n-nice one

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>>151829876
>>151829559

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>>151829794

>>151829869
Piccolo is about to pull a SpongeBob and give Vegeta one of his arms, just to regrow a new one

>>151829703
>posting aborted subplot n°23
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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>Goku and Vegeta actually keep getting a lot stronger

I'm drinking DBMpedros' tears.

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Can he beat Trunks?

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>>151829754
>Anime BASE FORM Black lost to Toei Goku not fighting seriously

Still better than:

> Manga Black TRANSFORMING and is a joke compared to SS2 Vegeta. And he gets raped by SSB Vegeta for added humiliation

> if regular humans can stop Super Saiyan Rose
You mean like how weak fodder still were able to use Solar Flare? Like Krillin vs Cell?

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>>151829764
>>151829777
>no rebuttal
>feels good to be winning this much

>>151829804
>these characters steal the spotlight REEEEEEEEE!
Was the Vegeta and Goku show coming from Z not enough for you? Oh, sorry, but Salagir actually cares to give his other characters a time to shine and not just the main cast from your childhood.

>He made his Mary Sue the stronkest
If you actually paid attention and read the manga, Bra is not the strongest character in the series, she's not even close. There are several other characters who are far superior to Bra when it comes to over all strength and power, so kindly try again.

>This is a valid reason to hate her though
>If she has more characterization than muh Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Trunks, then she's a bad character!1

>KEK
>I can't come up with an argument, so I'll just use buzzwords... t-that'll show him..

>>151830042
ill be so glad once they remake super

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>>151829911
>When will they stop flanderizing him?
What? Goku always made that face.

>>151829929
>Taking Goku's face in a causal setting and putting it in a tense situation
Nice argument.

>>151829794
>>151829948

> missed Black. Force impact caused chair to fall.

> actually hit Beerus. Took and absorbed all impact.

You guys are retarded I swear

>>151830051
>>If she has more characterization than muh Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Trunks, then she's a bad character!1
So you're saying Bra in DBM has more characterization than Goku & co throughout the entire DB franchise?

S-Surely you cannot be THIS delusional, r-right?

>>151830078
Dragon Ball Shintetsu when!?

>>151830051
I like how you're complaining about nobody having any arguments as to why DBM is shit, but you haven't provided ONE argument as to why DBS is shit. You just said "DBS is shit and DBM is better" over and over again.

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was this the moment where toyotaro lost the plot?

>>151826268
>black base was mocking trunks ssj2.

Trunks was probably malnourished.

It seems this has devolved into which version of Super is more shit than the other.

>>151830051
>Was the Vegeta and Goku show coming from Z not enough for you?
Giving secondary characters a 10 pages fight then getting them to fuck off for 500 pages isn't giving them the spotlight.
Also, not having strong main characters (not in terms of strength) to tie the story is a flaw. It's just tournament wandering with a few subplots that keep promising for stuff but never deliver.

Namek was better than anything Salagir ever wrote. And even GT was better than that awful U16 fanfic.

>If you actually paid attention and read the manga, Bra is not the strongest character in the series, she's not even close
She's top 5 of the multiverse, behind Buu, Vegetto and MAYBE Gast. She's also a shitty character with random characterization to try and make it look like she's "just too deep for us". This is Dragon Ball.

Face it, Pedro. DBM has some cool fights and concepts, but most of it is autistic fanwank that doesn't fit DB or anything.

>>151828359
>After coming back from the present
So?

>retard
>Losing to SS2 Vegeta made no sense.
Looks like you are the retarded here. Sorry for overestimate your mental capacity.

>but muh Trunks SS3 tier
Inconsistency, yeah, so? Trunks isn't SS3 tier, Toyotaro fucked up once with this, so? Why SS2 Vegeta being stronger than (pre SSR) Black makes no sense?

>manga-Black is anime-Black without the edgyness and masochism = manga-Black is anime-Black without the personality
So... are you saying anime-Black whole personality is be edgy and masochism? You are even more retarded than I expected. Also why you like Black if you think is no more than that shit?

>>151830051
Literally no one is taking you seriously. I don't even think you're taking yourself seriously. It's extremely obvious that you're baiting, and if you're not you're one of the most autistic posters I've ever seen in these threads to be sperging out this badly over fucking Multiverse. Just stop embarrassing yourself. Shut the fuck up and go read Multiverse if you enjoy so much because no one wants to sit here and listen to you quiver in rage over how people prefer Super over something you like.

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>>151830046
>Manga Black TRANSFORMING and is a joke compared to SS2 Vegeta
Except that isn't true Black held his own aganist SS2 Vegeta, if he was a joke compared to SS2 Vegeta, then Vegeta wouldn't have went SSB.

Besides Black took several hits from SSB Vegeta compared to Cabba who SSB Veget took out in one hit.


>You mean like how weak fodder still were able to use Solar Flare?
Nah I mean like pic retated

>Like Krillin vs Cell?
This didn't happen unless you're talking about Toei filler.

>>151826517
Vegeta ssj2 surpassed it in BoG, Toyotaro didn't come up with this idea.

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>REMINDER

>DBM Novel
When he came in, he froze: Bulma was on his bed and she was wearing a transparent nightie as well as garter-belt. When she saw him, she had her most charming smile:
'I was waiting for you, handsome!'
She got up and crept up on her target, who was disconcerted and, of course, slightly aroused. She cuddled against the Saiyan who started at the contact with the woman. Vegetto was fully aware he was attracted by Bulma, but to act so soon revolted Goku in him. He swallowed and said:
'L... Listen, Bulma... It's perhaps too soon...
'Too soon for what?' she pervertedly asked, pressing herself a bit more against his body.
Vegetto opened his mouth but no sound escaped his throat. She just pressed the more intimate part of his body. And he would yield to his low passions, he was sure of it, if she didn't stop teasing him. She went up on tiptoe and kissed him without warning. Vegetto immediately reacted. You want to tease me? We'll see about that. He kissed her on the neck. Bulma whispered:
'Vegeta...'
Vegetto stopped abruptly. Had he heard correctly? He let go of Bulma who had noticed her mistake. Vegetto, pale, whispered:
'How did you call me?'
Bulma didn't even answer.
'So... since the beginning, you don't think that I'm a person with my own needs and feelings? Just as Vegeta, or as Goku, who would have changed a bit? Is that it?'
Bulma almost felt ashamed. She knew that she was looking for Vegeta in Vegetto, just as some where looking for Goku in him. None saw three persons in this. She bit her lips.
'Listen... I lost my husband in this... And my best friend. So, please, don't blame me for looking for them in you when you're the result of their merging...'
Vegetto looked up and she could see that sad face that belonged to Vegeta, in the old day, and said:
'I think I'm going in exile for a while...'

>>151830336
This is so terribly written I can't finish reading it.