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What I love about the soundtrack is that multiple songs in S;G are based off of the main theme Gate of Steiner, while in S;G 0 the songs are based off of Messenger instead.
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>>151820162
ok
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village is the best as always
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>>151820348
not as good as re-awake tho
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truck-ojisan had a hard life
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I miss you.
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>>151820348
Gate of steiner gives too much feels not to choose it
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>>151821289
>feels
>>>/r/eddit

posting best chaos girl.
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>>151821557
>>>>/r/eddit
at least you got the best girl right
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>>151820162
and then the ending of 0 is Gate Of Steiner which makes it even better
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this is that movie that came out in 2003 based on that book from the early 70s, isnt it?
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>>151821739
no, stains;gate is in another world line
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>>151821797
i see, the explosion of action must have adjusted the orientation of information again.
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Chaos;Child is LITERALLY out on PC and still no one is translating it.

AAAAAHHHHHH
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>>151822502

Get in line
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>>151822502
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>>151822723
How is Kurisu bestgirl even when she's just an android app?
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WHY CAN'T I FIND A GOOD RUKA DOUJIN
GEEZ
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>>151821739
>movie that came out in 2003 based on a book.

pardon but may i ask its title?
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>>151822838
steins;gate.
the movie wasnt a pure translation of the book though, because the book didnt have any real science behind it because it was just extrapolating the idea that the mind is nothing but energy and so can be transmitted, while the movie includes the then recent john-titor descriptions to add relevance and "validity." the movie also took out a lot of the side stuff like how the protagonist stored a version of himself on his "perfect day" the start of the story, and reloads himself from that point every morning, recieving brainmails from the future every day so that he would always know what was going to happen, although hes never shown sending any besides setting up the system at the start. [like, he remembers doing it, because he remembers everything leading up to the point it was sent, from the senders perspective, but it made a point of stating in the "observable world" where all time shenanigans have been completed, he never used his device to send anything besides erasing his memories every morning, he just kept answering his phone, and everyone thought he was having shizophrenic halucinations [one friend, seeing it was related to his phone, thought it was illuminati mind control] until they realised everything he thought was going to happen did.

so, the movie was more about showing a highly concentrated form of the loop, showing every variation of a very short sequence of events, slowly growing more "perfect"; while the book used time travel, or at least the ability of information to travel through time to make the character act perfectly the entire time, a la bill and ted faxes
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>>151822502
I feel you, I feel you deeply.
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Where are the Japanese shaman girls, Lintahro?
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>>151824091
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>>151820683
Do you have a picture of fleeting otaku when shit got real?
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>>151824091
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>>151824230
C;C WHEN
I GOT MY HANDS FULL POSTING ON 4CHAN AND WRITING MY THESIS
NO TIME FOR JAPANESE
I NEED IT

Also, what's the opinion on O;9? I liked its fast tempo, especially in the first few episodes, but near the end they dropped the ball. I know it's just a glorified ad for LN and VN, but still.
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>>151825446
I only have Japanese traditional girl, professor.
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>>151821627
Zero's true end felt incomplete af. I hope some fill-in-the-gaps content is released.
The original Steins;Gate ending might have been a bit of an asspull, but it was a logical and foreshadowed asspull that worked plot wise and also emotionally, Zero failed to give me an emotional and logical conclusion.
When my ass is pulled, I want it pulled properly.
Sidenote, and huge S;G spoilers. Could someone explain to me how future Okabe's D-Mail video to himself was not detected by the Echelon database? I get the logic being the D-Rine being undetectable, but the D-Mail...?
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>>151826634
Maybe they made some countermeasures. Like changing the mail creation time or something.
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>>151826478
Why is she blushing? Why is she making me go doki doki?
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>>151826852
In 0 we got to see the entire recording of the d-mail and no indication was given of any sort of countermeasures or encryption
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>>151820683
Must be hard being the only truck driver in japan.
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>>151826634
wheres the asspull in 0?
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Anybody who played the vn who found a fix to this error "mgs::CAllocator::AllocAlign() failed"?
It appeared every ten minutes or so during changes in the cg crashing the game, but i was still able to restart the game. But this kkeps crashing in the final route keeping me from completing the game.
sorry for posting it here but im getting desperate
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>>151828462
Sorry, no idea. I didn't have any errors while playing. Try to download a different version of the game. Also try to update your .NET version or whatever the game uses.
If it could help you, I used that torrent for the game: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=846494; and that for the translation: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=876739 It all worked fine for me.
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>>151828227
The random time traveling Okabe
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>>151828911
Thanks, will check it out
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>>151821557
>redirecting a feelsfag to reddit
how fucking new are you?
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>>151829064
you're going to have to elaborate
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>>151829451
Elaborate what? It was nonsensical, nothing forshadowed it and there was no explanation or development on regards to what happens afterwards. The ending made me want a sequel bassically, What the fuck happened to Suzuha and Mayuri?.
The original VN tied up things nicely, this left a dangling thread with no apparent conclusion.
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>>151829965
the Suzuha and Mayuri that time traveled basically don't exist anymore since they didn't have fuel left
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>>151820162
Mayuri's love for upas literally caused WW3
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>>151829965
>What the fuck happened to Suzuha and Mayuri
they really should have put that part from drama cd in
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>>151829965
I think it was made so that 0kabe could escape the bounds of worldline. Otherwise, imagine his bummer when he would accidentally Reading Steiner in 2025 Steins Gate when he sends that D-Mail.
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>>151830023
>kurisu's shitposting tendencies literally saved the world
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>>151830012
Yeah, that's cool and all. But we don't get to see that at all.
>>151829965
Honestly, Arc Light made no sense to me when I first listened/read it. The two time machines should appear in the same location, making time travel to radio kaikan during that time impossible. They would smash into each other.
And no, the "The world line changes a bit" argument does not cut it here, it's clearly pointed out by daru that he sees two time machines right next to each other, even though Suzuha stated that FG/C/204 can't actually move at all from the location it was built at (This does ignore the orbit of the earth around the sun, ect but whatever, it was clearly stated)
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>>151830161
>the orbit of the earth around the sun
There's no privileged frame of reference, anon. Unless you're a supporter of aether. It doesn't matter if a frame of reference is with Earth or with Sun - they are both equal.
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>>151829965
I just figured Mayuri should have gone to the future to stabilize the Kagari time loop and Suzuha going to the past. Even if the world line changes, it still has to make sense internally.
Not sure if she ever did. Did she return in the Drama CD?
>>151830161
Okabe could have just moved it a little to the side. He does know he specifically goes to rescue the stranded time machine, would be an obvious thing to do.
Or maybe the machine itself has some anti-collision mechanism that is capable of limited teleportation, or something. Not like moving a little bit in one direction is the same as moving to Florida, or something.
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>>151830059
Okabe knows that the future Video D-mail was sent from himself from 2025, and Kurisu (even in the Steins;Gate) is very likely involved with amadeus. What the fuck is the point of beta Okabe removing himself from existance to avoid replacing S;G Okabe when S;G Okabe could have simply asked S;G Kurisu to backup his memories and then overwrite the Beta Okabe that arrived to the S;G due to reading steiner.
I know it sounds complicated, but there is no reason S;G Okabe would not have that idea.
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>>151830271
In the game Suzuha mentions that the time machine needs a VGL (variable gravity lock) to avoid being lost in the void of space. Apparently the VGL somehow locks onto Earth or something.
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>>151830277

>limited teleportation

Now that sounds like an asspull.
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>>151830486
Just a hypothesis. Don't think it would be that far-fetched.
If you don't like it, just assume Okabe moved it to the side before he started travelling.
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>>151830528

How the fuck do you move that thing "to the side"?
What, by pushing it? It's the size of a satellite.
And if you want to move it by altering coordinates or something, you can't. The machine was built on top of radio kaikan in the future for that exact reason, because it can't be moved.
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>>151829965
still have no idea what it is that you're referencing
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>>151830799
The true end of zero.
baka
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>>151830603
He had a ton of people to help him there. He could have figured something out.
For example, putting it on some kind of cart, I guess. Or even just getting a ton of people and moving it by hand, there's a ton of empty space inside so it might be light than you assume.
Or hell, just build a little to the side in the first place. Didn't figure it out? Take it apart, and rebuild it a little to the side.
Or something else. Moving a satellite a little to the side is certainly not the hardest problem the team has ever faced.
And yes, it can't be moved casually. Moving it, say, to the Lab manually would be extremely hard, and moving it by changing the coordinates would probably be prone to all kinds of mistakes and collisions. But that doesn't mean a meter to the side is exactly the same thing, and the machine will literally break if you dare put it on a slightly different spot on the rooftop. Hell, maybe it can move a meter to the right by changing the coordinates. Sure, moving the machine to Norway would probably lead to all kinds of problems and might require energy to pull off, but nobody says that literally changing a single coordinate by one while you're moving through time is the same thing. Not that they would have needed to, mind you.
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>>151830918
>lighter than you assume
>Didn't figure this one out before you finished building it?
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>>151830918
tl;dr they used a crane
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>>151830959
Was there a crane in the Lab there? I remember seeing something like that, but not sure.
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>>151830918

>cart

What? How? What kind of cart would hold that?

>it's light

Ha, it's not. The roof of radio kaikan collapsed under it's weight in the alpha worldline.

>rebuild it

lol

>changing coordinates

I already said this, you can't change the coordinates. The time machine was built at a specific location for this very reason!
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Hey, I know this is a bit off topic but, does anybody have a translated version of the epigraph trilogy/binding chain of oroboros?
I've been searching for it all over the net and I can't find it.
maybe im just shit at searching
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>>151831418
There's translated manga, no?
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>>151831438
I would much rather read the light novels. I've already read most of the manga.
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>that feel when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OTn7lUGxi8
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>>151831418
>LN
>translated
It's already a pain finding summaries.
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>>151820348
>started playing Zero just now
>get my first message
I love that they reused the same tracks from before. Instantly switched to village as well.
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http://www.desiquintans.com/noungenerator?count=2

Series generator.

I got Fridge;Monotheism
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>>151830161
>ect
Stop it faggot, only retards type like this.
It's fucking "et cetera" which is abbreviated to "etc".
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>>151835917
Consequence;Wave
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>>151835917
As was foretold by the bluebird;tambourine
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>>151835917
Catacomb;Pseudoscience
This is very nice, are we having zombies now?
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>>151835917
Gorilla;Quality
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<◎><◎> I'm watching.
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>>151837393
Sono me... dare no me?
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wait wait wait wait? did i somehow miss the launch of the steins;gate 0 anime?
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>>151835917
>http://www.desiquintans.com/noungenerator?count=2
>Classroom;Food
Well this is obviously about a high school's cooking club.
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>>151835917
>Condor;Fisting.
Those poor birds.
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>>151837627
>watching Sci;Adv anime
VN or bust.
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So how did the japs react to Leskinen?
Do they have memes about him too?
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>>151835917
Is this the choice of Secure;Spectrograph?
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>>151835917
Owner;Slippers
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as it was meant to be, the world-lines have all converged on the one true reality.

attention;banker
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I guarantee you that Kagari is really the daughter of Okabe and Kurisu.
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>>151835917
>Crash; Infusion
Sounds good enough to be a vidya game title
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>>151843616
But Kurisu is dead before she's born.
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>>151836374
E.Y.E VN
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Why does Kagari un-plastic-surgery herself in the True End?
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>>151848018
True End is on an entirely different worldline than Vega and Altair. It is a worldline where all the pieces of Operation Skuld finally came together, so in that worldline they most likely saved Kagari from ever getting brainwashed in the first place.
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>>151835917
>Handholding;Secure
My plans for Kurisu.
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>>151849359
You sick fuck.
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>>151848457
Wait, what? Sauce?
Actually, if it's true, wouldn't it be a nice worldline to see, you know?
In any case, why would Vega and Altair be prerequisite then? And why would Mayuri and Suzuha still be missing?
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>>151835917
Larch;Valance.
Sounds like another name for Minecraft, honestly.
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>>151850900
Kagari is dead in Vega and Altair, so it has to be a different worldline. Okabe also states in Vega and Altair that it is mearly the beginning of the path to Steins Gate. The final worldline where Okabe carries out Operation Skuld exists because he puts together all the pieces from his experiences on the other worldlines. For example, he found out that Operation Arclight was necessary through Vega and Altair, and that decieving the world was possible through Promised Renascimento. All the routes in Zero contained small pieces of Operation Skuld. It kind of sucked that they didn't actually show more of that final worldline though, and I think that is one of the biggest complaints about Zero.
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>>151851181
Did she die? I figure she just survived in the end somehow.
Also, I have no idea how would that final worldline even come about. If it's true, now I've got even less respect for Zero. I always figured the final worldline was just Vega and Altair timeskip, which at least would make sense.
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>>151835917
tfw Repair;Truck
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>>151826634
>incomplete af
Get ready for S;G 3 my dude. It's just like 0, those holes are intentional
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>>151851870
What is there even left to tackle with S;G3?
They would honestly have nothing to do in it if it happened, besides just continuing on from SG timeline and making something up. And if they did, I really doubt it would be connected with what happened in 0 in any meaningful way, I have a hard time even coming up as to why it would be connected to Okabe's struggles in Beta. And if it's in Beta, well, there's nothing to do in Beta.
Also, it still wouldn't change Zero from being disappointing. It should have been all in one game.
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>>151852014
0kabe travelling back and retrieving Suzu and Mayu Vega. Just like zero it could technically go off without a hitch but is in actuality a massive understaking that is likely the seat of a new adventure. Further they set stuff up in 0 lore wise that wasn't properly explained or even addressed (e.g automata).
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>>151845713

I know, but my hypothesis is that there's a chance Okabe/Kurisu sent her after one of them died in the alpha worldline to the beta worldline in order to change the beta worldline to reach the Steins Gate.

I know it's a long shot, but there must be a reason she looks so much like the combination of the two of them with Kurisu's general features and Okabe's eyes, and not just the view in the Zero VN that she was chosen because she looks kinda like Kurisu.
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>>151851249
>>151851181
>>151850900
>>151848457
>>151848018

She must have un-plastic'd herself and survived as she couldn't be an adult in 2025, unless she was moved there by Okabe?
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>>151852074
We'll get a Drama CD or an OVA for that if we're lucky, but they're not going to make another VN for just that. If anything we'll get Darling 2.0.
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>>151852074
This doesn't sound nearly important enough to actually focus on. Zero actually held up at least a little bit because there was always a clear goal in front of all the characters. Saving Mayuri and Suzuha from a timeline that is going to get erased anyway just doesn't have the same stakes.
In other words, it would be boring to read about.
They could have justified it if it was in 0, but putting it in its own VN would be insanity.
Also, didn't the drama CDs already address that anyway?
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>>151852095
If it happened, it would be a type of time travel we've never seen before, heard about or imagined possible.
Alright, well, we've seen something like that one time before. In a S;G movie.
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>>151852145
>Saving Mayuri and Suzuha from a timeline that is going to get erased anyway
If you fail to save Mayuri there is no S;G you NEED vega Mayuri for S;G. The stakes are as high as 0 was for getting the MMS sent.
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>>151852186
Didn't she already do the thing she was sent to the past for? I thought it was after that they became stranded.
Also, anyway, too narrow and boring. I wouldn't read it. They already had their chance with 0.
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>>151852338
It's not narrow at all. Like as not their machine is fucked and Okabe's is a prototype so they will be stranded somewhere trying to sort their shit out. You can do anything you like with that premise if you want.
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>>151852371
Alright, where are they stranded?
Alone? They can't carry the entire VN by themselves.
In Akiba? Would make returning back too easy and also raise the question of where is the real Okabe.
Not in Akiba? Losing all SOL and humorous elements, not S;G.
Also, them being stranded somewhere and having to make a new time machine is as artificial a problem as they come, considering how many they built already. If there's one thing FG Lab never lacked access to and knowledge of, it's a working time machine. Actually, it was their one ace in the hole the entire time.
You could make up other obstacles, but they all would just seem artificial and only there to extend the VN. You wouldn't actually be able to do anything with it that affects the canon in an interesting way, it's all too tight.
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>>151852497
You could say all of that about 0. I don't know what you want. Why can't the setting change and the story develop in new ways. You need to let things grow.
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>>151852497
>just seem artificial and only there to extend the VN
What, you mean like S;G 0?
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>>151835917
>Mini-skirt;Softening
Game-within-a-game about one of Daru's eroges.
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>>151852589
>>151852590
Well, S;G 0 did have some ground to build up on.
Okabe's struggles in Beta could actually turn out to be a pretty good VN which ideally fit into the timeline. We had little to no knowledge of what happened in it, there was a big struggle in Okabe dealing with Kurisu's death, and the timeline wouldn't change until Okabe actually acted. These were actually near-ideal conditions for a spin-off.
I don't get why you're saying it was the same for 0, since it wasn't. The entire cast was still there, coming up with Operation Skuld was as interesting as topic as you could get, even if you knew the result, the struggle was never "but we lack a time machine", and they could do whatever the hell they wanted in that world line, since it was basically undefined.
None of that is true for this "imaginary" sequel.
And they still screwed it up. In the end it too was perhaps a little bit too artificial a premise. Or maybe it was just them. I don't know.
>>151852589
No, they shouldn't let things grow. They should just let the VN die. S;G was already perfect as it was, and even S;G 0 was more of a detriment to it than anything, even if it was decent by itself. Adding bloat to the original story won't make it better. You could maybe continue it as a sequel in actual S;G, but adding more stuff to the main timeline is an exercise in futility. They won't be able to pull it off.
I would've been happier if S;G just remained as it was, and they put out a dumb sequel in S;G world line or something. It had a perfect story, build-up and ending, two times in a row. Adding any explanation to it just make it worth less.
I figured, maybe they would be able to make a perfect ending a third time in a row. But in the end, it was just hopes. It was all just bloat, with Maho and Leskinen the only good things to come out of it.
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>>151852896
>We had little to no knowledge of what happened in it
In other words, the same as our hypothetical sequel
>there was a big struggle in Okabe dealing with Kurisu's death
No reason you couldn't have a struggle just as big. What you had it set between 2011 and 2036, showing the struggles of the resistance and how it interferes with Okabe's goals?
>the timeline wouldn't change until Okabe actually acted
Steins Gate doesn't exist without Okabe finding Mayuri and Suzuha, so it's the same
>The entire cast was still there
There's no reason you couldn't have this (perhaps barring Kurisu). Starting it off showing how Okabe reached the 0 True End timeline would be ideal for this.
>they could do whatever the hell they wanted in that world line, since it was basically undefined
And we have no idea how Okabe reached the 0 True End timeline, or how he rescues Mayuri and Suzuha. There's just as much room for interpretation, if not more.
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>>151835917
>Cost;Inquiry
Sounds incredibly boring.
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>>151835917

News;Views

A romantic VN based on the events of a news reporter that's looking for a story in the mountains when she comes across a suicidal man ready to jump and she stops him.

>>151853034

Sounds like a) a man walks into a store and asks for the price of a lot of items, or b) an in depth look into the lives of accountants and their cocaine habits.
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>>151835917
Creditor;Section
A man trying to work out his odd credit card charges finds himself stumbling into the middle of a conspiracy bigger than he could've imagined, one that leads all the way to the Committee of 300.

30% on Metacritic.
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>>151852014
>What is there even left to tackle with S;G3?
Distant Valhalla
But then again, it would ended up almost similar to S;G0 story-wise.
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>>151835917
Spy;Virgo
You see through the eyes of a mentally ill but somehow employed covert agent and have to try to work out what the hell is real and what's just a combination of his illness and chuuni tendencies.
The twist is that you find out later on that it's 2024 in the Alpha worldline. You're a rounder and you're tracking down FGL members. It does not satisfy fans and flops financially.
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>>151853318
Could you remind what distant Valhalla is? I recognize the name but cannot remember what it was?
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>>151853387
A short story where Okabe and Kurisu being held up in SERN facilities, Okabe manage to escape but Kurisu didn't.
The pachinko and Nae's route in Phenogram expands on that story a little bit.
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>>151852883
There needs to be more art of S;G girls in miniskirts.
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>>151853021
People really need to go listen to the drama CD. Mayuri and Suzuha only get lost after the succeed in Arc Light so even if Okabe never finds them Steins;Gate is still reached.
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>>151853478
The main reason I would want Kurisu in a skirt is to see it flipped up, in all honesty.
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>>151853459
I'm pretty sure she'd hit you if you did that.
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>>151854047
for >>151853610
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>>151854047
I fail to see the issue here.
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>>151854783
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>>151854918
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>>151855479
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>>151855560
Who's idea was it to make a respectable scientist so damn adorable?
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>>151855748
A genius, that's who.
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>>151855811
But surely being young, adorable and a total hottie must get annoying for her. Especially when she's pitching high tier ideas most would dismiss as impossible but she's already worked the kinks out of.
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>>151855938
Well she did mention that some of her coworkers got pissed when her paper was chosen to be shown off. One of the reasons she ended up liking the FGL so much was that she wasn't treated with disdain or jealousy.
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>>151856055
And those that don't treat her with disdain and jealousy treat her as a special science snowflake. For as annoying as she finds Okabe's chuuni idiocy it at least means she's not getting any special treatment in either direction.
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Less than a week until the first episode, how are you feeling?
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>>151856143
Oh fuck, are they adapting this in to an anime?

wat do? Considering how bad C;H anime was, is watching this just going to ruin the VN?
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>>151856105
There's also the fact that it's glaringly obvious that he's just playing when he does the chuuni shit.

>>151856159
I wouldn't be surprised if it did. The Steins;Gate adaptation turning out so well is looking more like a complete fluke as time goes on.
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>>151856159
Where the fuck have you been? It has been confirmed for over a year by now. I will give it time to see how bad it will be. It will probably ruin everything, but I have seen the C;C streams back in 2015 and have played through some of C;C myself so I am already spoiled.
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>>151856175
Well yeah, that too. I wonder how they get along in a world where Okabe doesn't introduce himself by poking her cheek, feeling her hair and calling her a zombie.
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Why the fuck did they change the seals?
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>>151856232
https://u.pomf.is/lhlbbn.webm
We don't know. Chiyomaru is a faggot, that's why.
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>>151856204
Doesn't he lift up her shirt a little too? Anyway, we get a bit of that in 0 with Amadeus Kurisu don't we?

>>151856232
What did they actually change about them?
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>>151856274
We do but that's depressed fake-normalfag Okabe.
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>your actual face when this happened
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>>151856308
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>>151856306
True. He is a lot more restrained than he otherwise would be there.
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>>151856308
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>>151856308
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>>151856375
Amadeus Kurisu also adopts a noticeably different mindset when interacting with people to normal Kurisu.
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>>151856466
I suppose that would be unavoidable considering the radically differing circumstances between Kurisu and Amadeus Kurisu.
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>>151856274
>What did they actually change about them?
Look at>>151856232
then look at>>151856143
You tell me what they changed.
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>>151856521
Holy shit I didn't even recognize them as the seals. No wonder you're pissed.
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>>151856507
The point is that they're both more downbeat and depressed versions of themselves just looking for some kind of social contact.
Gee, it would be weird if both Kurisu and Amadeus Kurisu got reading steiner from some alpha worldline events in the S;G worldline.
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>>151856538
Do you now feel my rage and sadness?
Why is it that Chaos adaptions are doomed to be shit?
And why can't we get translations for the novels? Steins;Gate Zero was translated faster than one could see, while we are still waiting for [REDACTED], LCC and C;C.
It's just not fair.
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>>151856557
>even after all that bitter struggle, they still remember parts of it through Reading Steiner and the intense pain that came with it

Please no. Just let the labmems be happy in 1.048596.

>>151856626
Steins;Gate and it's sequels are simply a much safer bet due to the widespread popularity among and affection it receives from Westerners.
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>>151856740
That's still no excuse to fuck up the anime adaption of Chaos;Child.
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>>151856774
Of course it isn't. It's just why they wouldn't dedicate as many resources or as much effort to it. Even among the Japanese S;G is the runaway success of SciAdv.
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>>151856740
I feel like there's a short story or something to be found in Amadeus Kurisu ending up with alpha Kurisu's memories in the worldline where the meatspace Kurisu is still alive.
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>>151856740
Flat is justice!
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>people really hated o;n because of big tits and rapgod mc
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>>151857111
O;N seemed like an inferior version of C;H.
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>>151857141
The visuals and soundtrack was amazing though they only did the normal ending

I can't wait for the VN to be released
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>>151857175
Yes, visuals and sound were on top of everything, but the story fell short.
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>>151857197
They kept us hanging on ririka/shun and a bunch more (gamotan in cold sleep and possible miyuu end)

Though gamotan literally being Jesus on christmas day was nice
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>>151856337
pfff
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>>151856865
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>>151835917
Dream;Field
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>>151835917
Peen;Secure
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>>151835917
Coin;Report
Sounds like it could be a real thing.
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>>151822502
Kevin told us a while ago that it would happen this year.
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I might as well share these here too. I've noticed that people have been posting untranslated versions of this guy's images for a while.

https://imgur.com/a/VDOxM
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Isn't Kurisu's name just Chris?
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>>151859592
No. That's not how it works at all.
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>>151859592
No it's Kurisu. Chris is pronounced the same as Kurisu by Japanese speakers though.
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>>151859592
t. Leskinen
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>>151824176
>tfw you notice someone using your meme
FeelsGoodMan
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>>151859610
>>151859646
Whenever Okabe calls her Christina, she just answers by telling him there's no "-tina". And Chris sounds the same as Kurisu. Why couldn't it be Chris?
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>>151827065
The countermeasures are the fact that it's literally gibberish until Okabe fucks up the first time
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>>151830317
Okabe doesn't know about Amadeus without Reading Steiner, only 0kabe does.
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>>151859760
Because her name is literally "Kurisu". Okabe is just poking fun by exploiting the fact that Chris and Kurisu sound identical in Japanese.
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>>151859760
>by telling him there's no "-tina"
She does that in the shithouse dub and/or official subs. You fucked up.
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>>151851181
It's ironic that a big reason for 0's existence is that some people felt that the original's true ending was poorly explained and 0 actually does such a poor job of explaining the principals it very slightly elaborates upon that some more material showing the necessity of all the different worldlines for Skuld in a slightly less subtle way would actually benefit the series a lot.
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>>151859945
>original's true ending was poorly explained

It makes complete sense.
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Di Swords were a shit idea, they really don't fit into the semi realism we have with Steins;Gate and Robotics;Notes. Not to mention they are totally unnecessary, you could still have gigalomaniacs and real booting without them.
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>>151860073
That strikes me as an odd thing to say considering Steins;Gate and Robotics;Notes came after Chaos;Head.
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>>151860073
Adding to what>>151860159 said, how would you have them awaken? How would you have the Chuuni aspect of the series? How would you have a clear indication for the bad guys looking for Gigalomaniacs (other than seeing delusional swords)?
The Di-Swords serve their purpose.
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>>151860055
I disagree with the notion it was poorly explained, I've just experienced many retarded people being confused by it and expecting more explanation, despite the fact that none was necessary.

In 0's case the same is true and there's no strict necessity for more explanation. The difference in this case, however, is that the idea that Operation Skuld is actually the sum of many different Okabes in different worldlines all in the same attractor field is a necessary conclusion for 0's true end to feel satisfying and make sense, and apparently by the sheer number of complaints it's a conclusion that's easy to miss. I mean, future Daru says that future Okabe mentioned it himself - the 2036 in which Okabe awakens as his 2011 self is one of the many bleak futures necessary to reach Steins;Gate, because all the pieces of information and Okabe's own state of mind aren't right in any one worldline until he's felt it all. Sure, the concept's execution wasn't stellar, but I personally don't feel that there was anything wrong with 0's ending and I really appreciate the fact that the writers didn't shove more unnecessary explanations down our throat.

>but what happened to 0kabe after he went after Suzuha and Mayuri
Doesn't matter. It was his way of escaping the confines of time and making sure S;G Okabe is still his own person come 2025. It was also a way to avoid any other sort of disappearance that would otherwise be forced on him in the year 2025 by the Beta attractor field - death, turning into a vegetable after horrific torture like in Promised Rinascimento, etc. Aside from those it's also just bait for more drama CDs or other side material, like Phenogram.
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>>151860249
>how would you have them awaken?
They can just use their powers now.

>How would you have the Chuuni aspect of the series?
I wouldn't. It was the worst part of C;H.

>How would you have a clear indication for the bad guys looking for Gigalomaniacs (other than seeing delusional swords)?
The bad guys were the ones to awaken most of the gigalomaniacs in the first place anyways. You don't need the Di Swords.
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>>151860275
I can totally understand someone getting a little confused by 0's ending because even though it's not exactly hard to figure out, it wasn't executed very well. It just amazes me that I keep seeing people who trip up on the original's true end or try to substitute canon mechanics for their own ones and then freak out at the inconsistencies that doing so creates.
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>ywn see Lukako be straight hunk and cuck Okarin by grabbing Kurisu's ass
>ywn see Okarin fall for Maho
Or
>Okarin ended up with Maho also the timeline where Kurisu died naturally
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>>151860410
People like to feel smart and finding inconsistencies in stories that are generally considered to be good and internally consistent scratches that itch.
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>>151860371
If Takumi (Neidhardt) could use his powers freely from the beginning the story wouldn't hold together.
The Chuuni is good. You have the batshit insane Ayase who spouts stuff about Glajioul non-stop and you have the insane Sena who bombards you with techno-babble. The contrast was what made this so great.
How would the bad guys know whom to torment if they didn't know that said individuals saw swords?
Rimi for example was only imprisoned in that basement because she began to see swords after a car accident.
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>>151860436
I do not understand this post.
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>>151860436
>Lukako will never grab Okarin's ass
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>>151860448
Is Sena's techno-babble not supposed to be how it works?
It's insane, but the bad guys seem to agree with it.
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>>151860512
No, Visual Rebuilding is irrelevant to realbooting things.
What was important for NoAH is just "Whose eyes are those eyes".
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>>151860443
People also tend to act as if a plot hole or other kind of problem immediately invalidates the entire story. This is not true, especially in a story more about the emotional content than the series of events.
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>>151860561
S;G has no plot holes though.
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>>151860436
but Lukako is for Mayuri
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>>151860540
Is it something that's explained in Ending B?
I don't remember this phrase actually meaning anything in the good ending.
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>>151860573
I never said it did. S;G does a remarkable job of remaining consistent to its own rules and makes a hell of a lot of sense, with most complaints only coming from people failing to grasp the mechanics of the setting. The number of people that thing parallel universes are a thing in it astounds me. The movie does not help.
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>>151860607
I meant the essay, the essay contains the formula necessary for NoAH.
The VR thing - the US patent is irrelevant to realbooting or the machine NoAH.
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>>151860620
>the movie

If only they'd written something that actually made sense. I bet that's to blame for a lot of the parallel universe crap.
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>>151860660
For all its faults the movie did have some fun stuff in it. And this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZgZvg6am1I
It sucks, but it's not completely devoid of value.
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>>151835917
Epoxy;Wrong
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>>151860650
I honestly couldn't tell whether it did or not. The whole thing about "dead spots" was just as much of a nonsense to me. It even had the good old "humans only use 10% of the brain, except for our super cool exceptions" for good measure, too. But maybe Norose was just bullshitting like crazy with the Committee guys.
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>>151835917
Custodian;Pounding
We /ss/ now.
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>>151860740
>with the Committee guys.
Steiner said they are not with the committee but were made to believe they were.
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>>151860692
I know. It's enjoyable in it's own way. I just get slightly annoyed when someone whips the movie out and claims that they can prove how S;G and / or S;G0 make no sense with it.
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>>151860740
Well the dead spots are nerve channels in your eyes that go into your brain. If you send some particles from tie Diraac sea into them, you can make others share the same delusion as you and from the particles the delusion will become real.
But that's completely different from this.
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>>151860660
But then again, what kind of story would be suitable for the S;G movie anyway?
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>>151860797
I'm just a complete sucker for Kurisu. And Okabe is a top tier protagonist. And I'm an even bigger sucker for Kurisu and Okabe.
>>151860864
Probably something involving Amadeus and preventing some faction from getting ahold of a copy of Kurisu's paper or something. I dunno. I like the idea of Okabe being put in a situation as shitty as the original VN but without time travel in the mix. No second chances.
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>>151860797
Kurisu looks like a total bimbo in that pic.
Delete it.
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>>151859456
Thanks Okabe
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>>151860809
Wasn't this sharing some mechanics?
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>>151860864
Something that has no time travel at all.

>>151860899
Of course you are. We're all suckers for those two. Damn them for being so charming.

>>151860933
?
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Which end of C;H VN is the true end? Obviously A is sort of normal end, AA is sort of happy end, and B looks like bad end, but to get it you need to get A or AA and start a new game, so it makes it kind of special. Am I overthinking it a little and AA is the true end? Sorry if the question is stupid.
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>>151860943
No, it's completely different.
The Brain Imaging technic is what the Victor Chondria University uses to transform brain signals into memories.
It's also what makes the time leap machine possible. But it is totally unrelated to Project NoAH. It was just brought up by Grim to scare Takumi.
>>151860963
AA / Blue Sky is the true end.
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I thought OKabe saved Kurisu at the end of Steins gate? Why is she dead in 0?
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>>151860899
So, something like Altair branch in 0, but without world line jumping?
That's basically Epigraph, no?
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>>151860987
Ah, I was mistaking it with this then.
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>>151860963
The thing is, the PC version is really just an unfinished demo version.
In Noah you are locked into A End the first time you read it, and only after completing all other endings you unlock the Blue Sky ending which is an extended version of the AA ending with a better scene of destroying Noah and a crying/smiling Rimi CG at the end.
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>>151861040
0 isn't a sequel. 0 is about the Okabe that sent pic related. It's about the Okabe that gave up.
>>151861043
Pretty much. Move it into the S;G worldline and insert some relationship drama and you've got a basic outline.
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>>151861079
And how do get the "crying sky" ending?
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>>151860809
Not really, both involve artificially sending light particles to the eye, and for that you have to understand how the eye works to some degree and send particles with some certainty that they will hit. The bullshit is elsewhere.
In the first place, why is people sharing the same delusion make it real? Aren't collective hallucinations something that exists too? And yet presumably it doesn't create the thing people hallucinated. So, it's different somehow.
I'm also not a huge expert on Dirac sea, but I have a huge suspicion it isn't how it's supposed to work either, though I'm less sure about that one.
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>>151861040
0 follows the Okabe that failed to save her, who sent the video-D-Mail from 2025.
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>>151861040
Remember the part before he saved her, when he accidentally killed her himself?
This is going off that.
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>>151861114
>why is people sharing the same delusion make it real?
Because the Dirac particles make it so. It's SCIENCE, bitch.
You can tear apart Steins;Gate's time travel even easier than this, but no one seems to care about that. In the end it's just a story that uses scientific inspiration to create a great story.
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>>151861111
Crying Sky is the PC Versions B ending, no?
Just choose every "whose eyes are those eyes" delusions you find in the game and you will get it. You should remember all delusions and their triggers anyway.
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Realbooting could be explained quite elegantly with worldlines. Just say that they have the power to emit electromagnetic waves and make other people see illusions. The delusion then shifts the worldline marginally and materializes it, practically a reverse Reading Steiner.

That would remove one layer of pseudo sci fi bullshit and make Chaos;ADV series more accessible to people who come from Steins;Gate.
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>>151861172
>ou can tear apart Steins;Gate's time travel even easier than this

No you can't. Steins;Gate is remarkably hard sci fi for a time travel story. Dirac sea on the other hand makes no fucking sense, because no one should be able to materialize complex molecules without knowing their structure.
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>>151861212
But that's not how it works. You take particles form the Dirac Sea via your Dirac Sword (Di-Sword) and send those particles into other people's dead spots. This makes the particles into a real delusion that gains existence.
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>>151861172
>You can tear apart Steins;Gate's time travel
It's based off fringe science and conspiracy theories. Of course you can.

>>151861212
That sounds like you're adding it, not subtracting it.
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>>151856308
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>>151861254
>compressing over 3TB of data into 36 bytes using a black hole
This is the same level of retardation as the "Dirac particles hax", why don't you realize this?
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>>151831196
>Ha, it's not. The roof of radio kaikan collapsed under it's weight in the alpha worldline.

What? That's not what happened at all. In the alpha worldline, the machine appeared inside the building when it travelled to 2010.
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>>151861103
But iirc, Epigraph ends pretty much the same like Altair, so time travel is still involved.
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>>151861321
I didn't mean to literally lift the plot. I meant something that retains the general gist of it.
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>>151861301
That's probably the worst point of the S;G VN (together with Luka gender hax), but could easily be handwaved by
them just sending the information through SERN's bigger blacker hole and Kurisu dumbing the explanation down for the reader.
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>>151861212
What'd make it more accessible is more translations for the VNs.
The only translated Chaos VN right now is Chaos;Head. And that's a buggy fan patch for the first game instead of the more complete Noah version.
I'd like to see Chaos;Child translated and it seems we're getting it.
That's good, because otherwise us people who don't know japanese can only experience the story through adaptations.
And C;C's looking as terrible as Chaos;Head if they aren't gonna reveal an split cour at the end.
That's the problem with Chaos stuff. Most of the material not coming out of japan and thus people being more familiar with Head's shitty adaptation and not giving it a chance (Child'll face similar issues if they don't actually release the VN)
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>>151861359
Then you have to be fair and say the same about Chaos;Head. Maybe the imagination of Gigalomaniacs is just so strong they can imagine complex molecules without problem?
Either way, you can't criticize it without applying the same standard to S;G.

My point is still: The Di-Swords are necessary for the story. The story was written ok for a sci-fi story, it makes sense, if you believe what the story says.
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>>151856308
>mfw
I was legit fucking confused
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>>151861421
>The Di-Swords are necessary for the story
They literally aren't, they're only tacked on because they look cool. The story would literally not change if you removed them, in fact it would probably be better, nearly everyone agrees that the creepy atmosphere set in the first half of the story is the best part of C;H, people are alienated by the chuuni magic swords.

>Then you have to be fair and say the same about Chaos;Head
No I don't. S;G is somewhat believable hard sci fi. C;H's second half is full on magic.
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>>151861330
Yeah, I get your point. I thought it would also be nice if they tie-in that Amadeus plot with R;N
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>>151857762
Isn't that Kagome Kagome?
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>>151861608
>you will never have a tiny Suzu to pet
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>>151861593
As I explained earlier in this thread, the story doesn't work without something unique to Gigalomaniacs in this case swords as an indicator.
It would open a plot-hole if they were absent.
But it seems you try and delude yourself into believing Steins;Gate to be the coming of Christ and C;H as the devil incarnate. Nice delusion.
>>151861629
No, it's Tooryanse.
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>>151856308

I was confused in a way that I could only describe as "Why is this a thing" and "What does this matter?"
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>>151861578
Same, mostly because there was no reason for the twist
It could've just NOT happened and nothing would really be significantly different but everyone would've been a lot happier with the scene
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>>151861608
>Baby Suzuha was only animated for Pachinko
Why live? We'll never see the Pachinko shorts
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>>151861693
Didn't someone posted them before?
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>>151861769
If that is true, I'd love to see them, even if it's potato quality
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>>151861681
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>>151861769
They certainly did. I wish I'd thought to save them.
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>>151860952
It's two people that have no business being in a relationship with anybody being forced together by circumstances end ending up in an unconventional but perfect pairing.
Not the most original thing ever, but executed with such precision and a sense of honesty that really elevates it.
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>>151862370
There's nothing quite like a couple of dorks awkwardly courting one another.
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>>151862587
It helps that they have brilliant chemistry. If they were any weaker as characters the whole thing would fall apart.
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>>151862370
>>151862724
God that Font looks ugly as fuck.
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>>151862763
It looks better than the PC version's font.
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>>151862779
Hell no, how can you have such shit taste?
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>>151862929
No, how can you?
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>>151862763
It looks much better on an actual Vita.
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>>151858784
I would secure his peen if you know what I mean.
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>>151861658
My delusion is real.
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>>151835917
Kenneth;Underwear
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>>151835917

Creature;Unknown

This would be nice. A series about cryptozoology or some shit like that. I'd eat it up.
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>>151863456
But he's going to secure it in Mayuri.
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>>151863597
妄想、乙
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>>151863900
Luka belongs to Okabe-san
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>>151864535
Kurisu and Okabe belong to each other. This is fact.
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>>151864535
I found Lukako's story extremely fucking sad.
All of the other people who watched s;g thought it wasn't that sad but i was really struck by it.
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>>151864671
>>151865050
Why is Okabe such a normalfag?
He even denied Ruka the shared bed
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>>151865050
I found it to be one of the the weaker parts of the VN/anime. If it was the first thing he undid then it might have had more impact but before then he had undone Faris' D-mail which re-killed her father.
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>>151835917
Agent;Reflection. Sounds cool, I think. It could be something spy-themed about bringing down the Commitee.
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>>151865314
>Ruka
Did you mean Luka?
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>>151865500
It's also a weird premise for a chapter in a game that features the protagonist in an actually developing relationship, even if it isn't explicit at that point.
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>>151865314
>1024*576
>Steam version
It's like wasting the only good point the Steam version has.
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>>151864671
Excuse me, but Kurisu belongs to me.
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>>151866651
But Okabe so has first dibs on her.
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>>151866799
I'm sorry to inform you, but no.
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>>151866336
The fan improvement patch fixes the font and line breaks the text on the phone better.
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>>151866873
Kurisu also has enough reading steiner based attachment to him by the end that she cries upon finding what should just be a brave stranger to her. Okabe has that pussy on lock across time and space.
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>>151866946
Better than the JAST version?
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>>151823969
your feeling I feel deeply
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>>151867077
Is similar I would say. Far better than the stock font anyways.
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>>151867357
Wow, that's a massive improvement.
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>>151820162
So which one's the best, GoS or Messenger?
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>>151867618
BOTH
AT THE SAME TIME
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>>151867618
They're both fantastic, but I prefer Messenger.
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Serika > Kurisu
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I want to go to the timeline where Kagari is cut completely, and instead the extra screen time goes to Maho.
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>>151867618
Tactics in confusion>all
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>>151867901
Me too.

>>151867913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTr_pC_B0b4

Reading Steiner > all
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>>151825446
>White guy being unable to use Rs when the nips are the ones with this dumb problem.

Ayy
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>>151868317
?
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>>151868317
ら る ろ
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>>151861301
I think they could've just said "We can hold the connection open just for x amount of time during which only 36 bytes can pass through using standard telecommunication protocols. How can we transfer something faster than Ethernet???? Oh right black hole stuff" and it wouldn't have that many problems.
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Amadeus has reading steiner?
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>>151869411
everyone has, and she's pretty much has a human brain so yes
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>>151869411
Amadeus is a real human bean.
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>>151869411
Yes.
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>>151820162
Bitch, with only a translator from google damn English understand fucking English do not understand without him, I have become tired waiting for the translation into Russian, is the first part and transferred to 0 but do not translate
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>>151869267
I think that was implied because if I remember correctly they said the data decompresses after traveling through the Kerr black hole, but I'm not 100% sure about that, and they definitely didn't explain it well enough even if that was their intention.
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>>151869444
>>151869465
>>151869497
>bunch of ones and zeros
>bunch of wires with electricity running through them
>has reading steiner
haha what
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>>151869546
Amadeus is a human brain analogue.
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>>151869546
did you even play the game
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>>151869514
Why are you here if you don't understand english?
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>>151869680
No, but I read the VN
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>>151869514
Stop trying to screw around with time machines commie.
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what is amadeus? I do not understand a fucking Slang
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>>151869546
>bunch of neurotransmitters
>bunch of neurons carrying action potentials
>has reading steiner
haha what
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Do they plan to bring over any of their other VNs?
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>tries to kill Suzuha
>months later has a curry eating contest with Suzuha
What was Kagari's fucking problem?
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So how popular was 0 in Japan? There isn't very much fan art for Maho despite 0 being out for quite a while.
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>>151869835
Logic doesn't apply to that mind hacc'd little shit.
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tfw the best song is only used a single time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGjhsDiUbxI
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>>151869748
To put it simply, Amadeus is an AI.

>>151869845
You can count on the adaptation to bring in a flood of art.
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>>151870066
>tfw you will never have people to hang around with and be friends with like the cast of S;G
Why...
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>>151870174
That's a fat cat.
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>>151870174
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>>151869546
>simulate brain
>be surprised it can do the same things as a normal brain
Why are you so surprised? Wouldn't be much of a simulation if it couldn't.
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Where are people even getting this smiling leskinen cg at
I can't find it in my SG 0
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>>151867618
>>151867913
Newcomer>*
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>>151869845
fairly popular, anime will probably bring in more fanart
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-12-10/steins-gate-0-game-sells-over-100000-copies-on-1st-day/.96351
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>>151820162

get that canon tripfag out of my face
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Is it explained why Kagari still jumped off in 1998 even in the world lines where Leskinen is killed in 2011? He wouldn't have been able to brain wash her while she was an orphan so she wouldn't have had the suggestion trip.
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>>151870443
I didn't notice it on my first playthrough. But now I have a hysterical fit every time I see this face.
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>>151870474
You mean namefag.
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>>151870560
THE THINGS I WOULD DO TO THEM
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>>151870528
She gets kidnapped in rinascimento path instead if brain washed
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>>151870626
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>>151870543
There it is
Thanks mate that face is too perfect not to shoop
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>>151870775
Cute and lewd at the same time!
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>>151870030
Technovision is nice but it doesn't hold up to the other Sci.ADV Kanako's songs.
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post Tuturus
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>>151871567
That's Christina for you.
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What did you like better, Steins;Gate or Steins;Gate 0? I still liked the first better in the end. S;G 0 has no ending.
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>>151871777
i prefer 0, though i can easily see why most prefer SG
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>>151870326
T-T-Thanks...
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>>151871728
Are tuturus with mad scientists allowed?
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>>151871879
yes, they're even better
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>>151871777
Steins;Gate. Though I will say that I liked Steins;Gate 0's soundtrack a little more.

>>151871845
DELET
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>>151871893
Let's get this going then.
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>>151871777
I like the original more, but Zero was still great. Playing through Zero also gave me a better appreciation for some of the things done in the original.
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>>151871728
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>>151872012
is this from one of the spin offs?
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>>151872030
Yeah, it's from Darling.
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>>151871777
I did like S;G 's ending more.
But, dammit, S;G0 does have a few more hype moments.
Mainly when Messenger and Re-Awake starts playing.
Someone spoilered me about the Alpha reunion,but they said it was a dream. I took it at face value, so I shitted myself when I saw the divergence changing to Alpha
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Do D-mails and time machines just operate on slightly different mechanics? It seems like D-mails erasing their origin is perfectly fine, but erasing the evidence from database removes any reason for Suzuha to crash her time machine on that day and thus removes that event, whereas the way D-mails work suggests that the event should be completely unaffected and a time machine should end up crashing anyways.

Will I understand this better after 0?
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>>151872141
>but they said it was a dream

Cheeky fucker.
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>>151872187
They played me like a fiddle.
I thought it was like that dream Okabe had about Mayuri 70 million years in the past.
Someone else said Kurisu became an android ( BMI? )along with their pinky promise CG
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>>151872158
Basically, messing with current events that affect the future creation of a time machine causes huge divergence swings.
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>>151836847
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>>151872158
The reason she crashed in the world line where there was evidence of D-mails was because the D-mail evidence caused the SERN dystopia. This caused Daru to die early and so the time machine was rough and incomplete so a small error in co-ordinates occurred compared to the Beta one which was finished because he was alive in 2036.
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>>151872158
Deleting that message from ECHELON means that SERN don't develop a functioning time machine after capturing Kurisu, which means they don't establish global rule, which means they don''t end up killing Daru before he's properly completed his reverse engineered time machine, which means Suzuha doesn't crash into Radio Kaikan. There is absolutely no reason for a crash to occur after that.
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>>151856159
>>151856175
>>151856187
12 episodes
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>>151872479
>>151872532

I understand that much, but it seems incongruent with how D-mails work. D-mails clearly don't need to come from the future of the current wordline they are in, since you can't find them being sent anywhere. Why is it a problem for the time machine to have never been sent from the future of it's current wordline? Different mechanics?
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>>151872634
>Why is it a problem for the time machine to have never been sent from the future of it's current wordline? Different mechanics?
Okabe used the time machine to change to the Steins;Gate wordline where the time machine was never sent.
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>>151872634
Because deleting that message and saving Kurisu + preventing WW3 shifts divergence so that it is never sent at all. You're not just affecting the present when you change the past, you're affecting the future too.
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>>151872744
>the time machine was never sent.

The divergence altering D-mails were never sent in their world lines (for example, Meoka's that unmade her a lab mem in the first place) but they still popped up in the past all the same. Or am I misunderstanding something?
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>>151872634
>but they still popped up in the past all the same
And the result of his actions still popped up in the past. He got stabbed, Kurisu remembered she got saved by him, the upa wasn't metal so the paper got burnt etc.
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>>151873032
meant for
>>151872905
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>>151872905
Yes they were sent, BUT not noticed. The fact that SERN noticed the messages is what actually caused the shift, not the mere act of sending them. A D-Mail has to influence behaviour in order to change the past. If it's ignored / unnoticed then it does nothing.
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So wait, what happened after Okabe gave up in the bad end? Daru started working on the time machine and...?
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Should I play Steins;Gate 0 now or should I wait for a better version/translation?
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>>151873299
There probably won't be another version or translation. If you mean the PC patch version then the current version is perfectly fine.
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>>151873242
Leskinen achieved eternal worldwide peace thanks to his masterful plan of using time machines as a deterrence and pursuing research on the mechanics behind Reading Steiner
After getting the peace and medicine nobel prizes he retired to Akihabara, and formed a harem of Japanese shaman girls
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>>151873242
And then Suzuha travelled back, altering divergence slightly.
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>>151873299
it's fine now, just some text not positioned right, and some text in CGs not translated, but there are some guys working on a path to fix that stuff if you care
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>>151873442
Oh yeah I was talking about the PC patch.
>>151873562
Sounds good enough, thanks.
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>>151873242
It's actually entirely possible Okabe later mans up in the Gehenna's Stigma world line and decides to try and reach Steins Gate even after that ending. We don't actually see what happens.
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>>151872479
Not him, but didn't they delete the D-mail from SERN servers in August, by which time SERN would've surely noticed it already?
I played S;G almost 5 years ago, so i might be misremembering.
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>>151874118
I think it was a time frame of 3 weeks and they probably get millions of hits since they are going though all the worlds traffic so it probably would take time to find it.
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>>151873032
But why doesn't the time machine still pop up in the wall of the Radio Kaikan? The time machine doesn't appear in the wall of the Radio Kaikan because SERN never establishes their dystopia and Suzuha never uses an incomplete machine in the worldline where they erase the mail. Why does say, Moeka's D-mail, for example, appear in her phone when she never becomes a lab mem and never sends a D-mail? Wouldn't the same rules of never sent = never appears erase the D-mails, not only this case with the crashed time machine?
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>>151874419
World lines aren't happening simultaneously only one is active at a time. So the actions of the other world line happen causing the switch to the new world line.
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>>151872634
I get what you're saying.
Every event has a cause and effect.
In the case of D-mails the cause is them being sent to the past from time point X to an earlier time point Y. As a result, the world is "reconstructed", so to say, as if the cause always happened in the world - that is what worldline change means. The effect persists without a cause. And Reading Steiner is the ability to persist your consciousness between them. If you send d-mails to points in time after Y, the d-mail is still received.
Now, what the main question I have is: how can we make the D-Mail not be sent to Y? If the rules for time travel are the same for physical time travel, then the question becomes: How can we make time machine not be sent to past? What exactly did deleting do, if the effect (sending time machine into past) should have been same?
If there is a definite mechanics of that aspect of time travel, that would answer all your (and mine) questions. I myself don't know, I (>>151874198) haven't thought about it that much.
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>>151874864
Fuck, misquoted. I'm >>151874118
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>>151874771
Can you elaborate?

>>151874864
>as if the cause always happened in the world
Do you mean never happened? The D-mails that caused significant divergence were never sent at any point in the new worldline they create, since you can't find them in any phones sent mails.
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>>151875289
I meant the receiving of d-mails, yeah.
I hate phoneposting, but it's 2 am and I can't fall asleep.
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I really don't understand when people say old kurisu clashes with new sprites of other characters.

Everyone has different eye shape in this game anyway.

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
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>>151875289
Yes but they were sent in the previous, now impossible worldline. Cause and effect can be non-linear in Steins;Gate. It's why Moeka's message pops up in the new worldline despite it never having been sent there. It was sent back, it had an effect on Moeka's actions, so she could never have sent the message when she did.

With the time machine however, divergence was shifted in such a way that it was never built. If you make it so that it never gets built it couldn't possibly travel to other worldlines.

>>151875630
The difference is pretty damn obvious anon.
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>>151875673
>The difference is pretty damn obvious anon.
Not obvious enough, apparently. The coloring is pretty consistent, as is the hair, and the way the face is drawn.
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>>151875673
But Moeka's d-mail was constructed in a way that it could never have been sent (or at least, never is sent). The time machine that crashes was sent in a previous, and now impossible (thanks to them erasing their tracks from SERN, which is thanks to the IBN5100 that the person traveling in the time machine obtains) worldline.
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>>151875856
The time machine could only have travelled back and crashed under the circumstances found in Alpha. Take those away and suddenly it's incapable of travelling back and crashing. The machine changing behaviour is the effect of deleting the data in a previous worldline, just as Moeka finding the IBN 5100 is the effect of sending the D-Mail to herself in a previous worldline.
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>>151876116
But if we apply the same reason it changes behavior to the d-mails, then the d-mails should also erase themselves. That specific d-mail was only going to be sent to Moeka's phone under the circumstances of that beta worldline, and now that they are gone the message no longer exists, let alone is capable of traveling to the past.
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>>151876536
What the deletion did was alter the circumstances surrounding the time machine's creation, so that it cannot crash. The Alpha machine is impossible in any way shape or form in Beta.
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>>151876536
The other world line still happened though just once the switch happens it becomes inactive.
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>can't turn off the phone at the shrine
HELP
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>>151876718
But the d-mail also alters the circumstances around its own creation so it cannot be sent.

Framed in a more story oriented way, he can erase the time machine in the future by changing events so it never goes to the past, but he can't seem to do this to the d-mails- he has to instead send out another d-mail that removes the influence of the first on the worldline.

>>151876737
The worldlines where the other divergence altering d-mails were sent from become inactive, but the d-mails sent in them still appear regardless of the worldline.
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>>151877128
>The worldlines where the other divergence altering d-mails were sent from become inactive, but the d-mails sent in them still appear regardless of the world line
Because the world line still happend before hand so the D-mail was still sent before it became inactive. They aren't parallel worlds and happening simultaneously but are closer to, say, switching train lines and only one track is active at a time.
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>>151877292
So shouldn't the time machine still appear in the building then, since it was still sent before it became inactive, if they follow the same rules?
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>>151877896
No because it is a different time machine which traveled along the world line rather than across to another one. The time machine its self works closer to a time leap except it can take you physically there but the changes you make physically after then can change divergence if you do it right (like fooling the world).
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>>151877107
When Okabe says something about turning it off, if you look at the phone there should be the option to switch it off.
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>>151878064
But in series time machines are explained to cause divergence just by being used, which is supposed to be why they don't run into any troubles during their second run to get to Steins Gate.

>traveled along the world line rather than across to another one.

Don't they all travel back in time in a world line, and then their arrival causes changes that changes it to a different one?
>>
TIME IS
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>>151878215
>But in series time machines are explained to cause divergence just by being used, which is supposed to be why they don't run into any troubles during their second run to get to Steins Gate.
A very small one, not enough to trigger a Reading Steiner effect or be noticeable to even show up on the divergence meter. Just like with a time leap you can do minute divergence changes but not enough to be noticeable.

>Don't they all travel back in time in a world line, and then their arrival causes changes that changes it to a different one?
You might just be better off re-reading the true end again. The change doesn't happen until they leave after Okarin did everything needed to switch to the steins gate word line. While the first time failed and so they returned to the same world line.
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>>151878155
he never says anything about that though
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>>151878446
>A very small one, not enough to trigger a Reading Steiner effect or be noticeable to even show up on the divergence meter. Just like with a time leap you can do minute divergence changes but not enough to be noticeable.

But in this case, the very effect of the time machine showing up and destroying the wall causes a noticeable divergence change, in saving Kurisu's life.

I feel like I'm not asking the right question. Why do time machines disappear if their causes disappear (worldline change) while d-mails can exist even if their causes have been erased?
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Is the 2013 movie meant to be released in physical form in the UK soon?

I keep finding snippets of information online but no confirmed retailers yet.
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>>151878898
Did you not read the ending or something?

>>151878943
That is not what caused the divergence at all. The First D-mail caused that which by butterfly effect caused the time machine to be incomplete and crash.

>Why do time machines disappear if their causes disappear (worldline change) while d-mails can exist even if their causes have been erased?
Because the time machine is closer to a time leap rather than a d-mail.
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>>151879046
I keep advancing the text and he always decides to open the amadeus app.
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>>151879169
Not him but if i remember correctly, you have to manually open up the phone to turn it off
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>>151879046
You should get this and then you have to check the phone.
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>>151879323
>>151879323
I never see anything about turning off the phone.
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>>151879046
I think I'm starting to understand. So you're saying that even in a worldline before the time machine is sent back to cause some minimal divergence, the murder at the radio kaikan doesn't happen because of the first D-mail? The time machine crashing in or not doesn't actually effect anything significant?
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>>151879369
Yes, the first D-mail existing in the SERN database is what changes everything. Everything spirals out of that and makes the difference between the time machine crashing and not crashing.
Right near the start of the VN before anything really happens and before he sends the text message to Daru you can see the complete time machine on the roof.
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>>151879347
You have to manually open the phone and it should give you the option. If you are on PC it will be the z or c keys. Not sure which it is on console.
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>>151879511
Yeah, I know.

It's just the thought that the time machine crashing being unimportant and time machines not being able to cause any large divergence by themselves never really occurred to me beforehand. Thanks.
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>>151879604
Yea, the time machines themselves don't really change much. It is the actions done after traveling that may do. Glad you finally understood.
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>>151879543
I still don't get the option to turn the phone off
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>>151879810
Are you sure you are on the right scene?
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>>151826634
It assumes you have listened to the drama CDs, especially Beta
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>>151879894
I got it
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>>151879963
Is there any summary or translation for the drama CDs?
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should i just play s;g 0 or wait for the anime? if its as long and detailed as the first s;g vn, i wont.
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>>151880182

It's a lot shorter but I took my time and still didn't spend as much as time as I did on the original.

You're looking around 7-8 hours if you want to quickly play through it and only get one ending.
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>>151880218
so im guessing its around half the play time? i guess thats ok. i didnt play the first vn because i saw how fucking long it was.
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>>151880078
I think Steiner's got taken down so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrtjCjvfwZk
Basically will give you an extra 5 min of context on what happend but stretched out while Okabe went back in time for the first time.

>>151880182
You could probably play though it all in 20-25 hours. Less if you rush.
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>>151880256
>its around half the play time?

Yeah pretty much. I didn't find it as enjoyable as the first one but it's still among the unbelievable tier.
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>>151880281
Thanks. I wanted some more closure on the whole Mayuri/Suzuha situation. I liked the ending a fair bit but I really wished they would've made the true ending a little longer.
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>>151861114
>In the first place, why is people sharing the same delusion make it real?
Because it then becomes an "error" in reality. People are perceiving something there, but there isn't actually anything there, so the real-booting makes it real. Real-booting is like reality debugging itself.
Steins;Gate uses the exact same principle. When you go back in time and change something big, it creates an "error" in reality. Something happened in the past which would cause an inconsistency with the future, so convergence changes things so that the future can still happen. Convergence is like reality debugging itself.
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>>151872324
>yfw you realise the dream about Mayuri 70 million years ago was Reading Steiner from Zero Okabe going deep into the past to find her in the True End
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i just started playing s;g 0 and im kind of pissed. why didn't okarin get the video from his future self? why didnt suzuha tell him either? i hate that he has to give up on kurisu
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>>151882325
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>>151882325
Anon, what?
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>>151880393
A true ending that just included the original true ending would've been much more satisfying. Maybe include an email chain or Skype call between Kurisu and Okabe on the end to touch on Maho and Amadeus in that worldline.
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>>151835917
>Fur;Storm
Furries take over the world
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>no lewd Kagaris
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>>151885845
Because she's Kurisu minus everything attractive about Kurisu and plus big titties. S;G is already sorted for tittymonsters.
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>>151878223

SO SAD AND FLEETING
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>>151885744
The Committee is even more evil than we ever suspected.
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>>151886458
CAN'T BE CONTROLLED
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>>151885845
People want to fap to Kurisu, not Kagari.
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>>151885393
>A true ending that just included the original true ending would've been much more satisfying
I'd prefer if it stops when Okabe starts opening the video D-mail.
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>>151881667
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>>151878943
The machine travels back from impossible futures from other worldlines just like the D-Mails, but the deletion of the first D-Mail makes the conditions necessary for the incomplete machine to travel back impossible themselves. Why is this so hard to understand?
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What the hell happened in Twin Automata?
The real Kurisu talked to Maho through Amadeus? Why did she know about Kyouma? Hell, why did she know anything about the future? Does R.Steiner affect machines?
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>>151869835
she was brainwashed by future Leskinen, putting his voice in her mind to give orders
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>>151871728
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>>151889433
It's implied that Reading Steiner kicked in for her as she was being erased and she gained memories from another world line's Kurisu
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>>151882325
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>>151835917
Cirrus;Tam-o'-shanter
Huh?
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>>151835917
Flesh;Nondisclosure
Some zombies are very private about their preferred food.
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>>151889567
Yeah, I was thinking something like that and it ties in with the whole "AI limitations" thing they were discussing earlier but it feels kinda weird that R.Steiner kicked in as she was getting deleted, kind of like an asspull.
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I played the entire series, C;C being my favorite and R;N being my least. It is a shame that C;C isn't in english since there aren't many people to discuss things with. The new anime will bomb so few people will appreciate the it.

S;G 0 wasn't as good as I had hoped but still not a bad game, certainly not better than S;G as people billed it
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>>151856842
C;C has either the same or higher ratings though.

I think S;G makes for a better anime though since a lot of what makes C;C good can't be replicated with animation.
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>>151870174
>>tfw you will never have people to hang around with and be friends with like the cast of S;G
>Why..

I used to think this sort of thing too...then I understood the why.
It's because I'm not like Okabe of S;G. I am who I am precisely because I'm more like the Okabe of S;G 0. I'd let my waifu die everytime. You probably would too. In fact I'm such a coward and a failure I'd never even win her friendship to fail her later.

Escapism is nice though...
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>>151881667
Then what was the dream of him getting his dick sucked by a black hole about, since they have ulterior meanings?
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>>151890375
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>tfw no-one ever talks about Moeka
>tfw she was the only one of the S;G bunch who didn't live some unrealistic happy-go-lucky life
>tfw she's a lonely neet retard, just like me
>tfw hers is the saddest backstory but everyone hates her because she's mentally ill
>tfw Moeka is best girl, deserving of our pity, understanding and, rough love.
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>>151890875
>happy go lucky life

Hmmmm...
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>>151875630
you a blind
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>>151890875
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>>151890875
even ignoring literally everything else her mail spam was annoying
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>>151890335
>Escapism is nice though...
It sure is. And I was talking about having everyone as a friend, even Okabe.

>>151872012
I don't remember the scene, could you link me a video, or something?
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>>151891035
All of their lives are pretty decent. Moeka's is suffering even before any of the plot even happens.
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>>151891558
>Okabe had to suffer through the events of S;G and S;G0, along with being a lonely, shy boy hiding behind Kyouma
>Kurisu was traumatically rejected by her father on her birthday and has been the object of scorn and jealousy by her peers her whole life
>Faris had her father die and had to live with the fact that her last words to her beloved father were filled with hate and resentment
>Mayuri had her grandmother die and it took an immense toll on her as a young child, while also being plagued by feelings of inadequacy and uselessness
>Luka was forced into crossdressing by his family from a young age and struggled with his homosexuality
>Suzuha literally came from either the SERN dystopia or fucking WW3

This isn't even everything.
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>>151891558
Are we pretending Suzuha doesn't exist?
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>>151891760
I'd rather live during the apocalypse than have social anxiety.
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why does S;G art look so much better than S;G 0's?
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>>151891810
It had style.
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>>151891805
You can get over social anxiety, you can't get over living in the apocalypse.
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>>151891810
I think if the original VN was redrawn in the same artstyle so that proportions weren't so wonky, it'd handily beat out 0 in terms of aesthetics. huke has improved a lot even though he still can't draw men very well. As it is now though, I think they're about equal.
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>>151891741
Though without all of that, this wouldn't be half as beautiful.
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>>151891998
All that pain made victory all the sweeter.
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>>151891810
original has unique artstyle but 0 has objectively better art nostalgia fags
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>>151892092
And in the end it's a victory for everybody. No WW3, no NWO, Mayuri alive, Kurisu alive and not being forced to help the NWO, no time travel JUSTing everybody up.
Though of course, Okabe and Kurisu both actually gain something as well whereas everybody else just avoids losing something.
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>>151892206
Does Mayuri ever win in any world line?
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>>151892332
Not really, though she seems like a good enough friend to just be happy with Okabe being happy. Just like how Okabe was satisfied with just knowing Kurisu was alive.
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>>151892390
>Even Faris won the Kyoumabowl in her negative divergence world line
Suffering.
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>>151892332
Mayuri is a fucking cuck
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>>151891876
>You can get over social anxiety
I don't agree.
>>151891876
>you can't get over living in the apocalypse.
>literally leaves in a time machine
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>>151892500
She had years to act on it, but she took so damn long that the perfect science fairy showed up and unintentionally won by being constantly perfect over dozens upon dozens of instances of the same week.
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>>151892500
Do not slander the Mayushii.
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>>151891998
Okabe is too handsome. It makes me mad.
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>>151892651
>science fairy

I enjoy this nickname for Kurisu far too much. It's way too cute.

>>151892761
Why though?
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>>151892761
Stop it Kurisu.
>>
Does anyone know where to find the sheet music for Messenger -piano-? I really want to play it but I can't find any sheet music.

This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQaDNNbXMxA
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>>151892773
It's only fitting because the science fairy is way too cute.
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>>151892858
I just can't get over how adorably small she is. It does things to my heart.
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>>151891998
Kurisu looks just perfect in this one.

She's destroying my soul and will with her cuteness, one piece at a time.
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>>151893025
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>>151893025
It's the best CG from the original game all around.
>>151892930
She's right in that smallness sweet spot. Small enough to be cute, big enough to be a normal human being.
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>>151893194
That plus her slender figure makes me want to hug that qt and never let go.
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>>151893290
I think you mean slender frame there, anon.
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>>151892773
>Why though?
I hate his full head of messy hair. The fact he is tall, with a strong jawline, and that perfect stubble. I hate it!
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>>151893300
Ah yes. Her slender frame.

>>151893316
But why do you hate it anon?
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>>151893300
>I think you mean slender frame there, anon
>tfw no paper Kurisu
I sure wish I was good at something, and it'd be nice if that something let me make little Kurisus ;_;/
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>>151893290
There's something about slender girls that makes them SO much more appealing to me than curvy, voluptous and traditionally "fertile" ones.

Probably has to do with the fact they are more elegant and refined?

Fuck, Kurisu even makes me question evolutionary preferences biologically programmed thousands of years ago. What a perfect miracle.
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>>151893493
She is dainty. That's the word. Or maybe lithesome? There's just something graceful about her demeanor, hard to put one's finger on it.
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>>151893493
It depends on the girl. Kurisu in particular carries herself with a certain elegance that perfectly fits her aesthetics.
>>
stein gate
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>>151893493
It's those subtler curves that are getting you excited. She has this really satisfying hourglass figure too.

>>151893572
She's a waif.
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>>151893683
Her figure and curves, despite often being the topic of derision, are very much present and accounted for. They just take on a more refined quality. Also,
>Huke
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>>151893722
>huke

?
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>>151893844
He just annoys me with his inconsistency. He can draw shit like that but then he struggles to make Okabe look like a human half the time.
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>>151860620
>with most complaints only coming from people failing to grasp the mechanics of the setting
These threads are always full of retards who pretend the series never talks about paradoxes or acts like causality in the future needs to be maintained when it blatantly does. The series never makes up its mind about whether preserving causality from the future matters or not.

It's not really a big issue because like the guy you responded to said it's not the focus of the story. But you faggots really need to stop pretending a system held together by epicycles is some mechanical masterpiece.
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>>151893978
When he tries he can produce great work, but when he doesn't you get the Okabe CGs.
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>>151894032
The plot and its mechanisms are completely consistent. Watchu' talkin' 'bout faggot?
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>>151894032
>this faggot again
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>>151894064
>Official art of Okabe ravaging Kurisu never
Why? Given how important Kurisu considered Okabe's first kiss that was totally hers too I'd expect it to be something she'd want to get on.
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Quick question for all of you anons...

Why is the show named as it is? What's with the semi-colon? They never really explained the significance of Stein's Gate and I can't find anything about it in Norse mythology.
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>>151894207
> Why is the show named as it is?
It sounds cool.
> What's with the semi-colon?
It looks cool.
Seriously.
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>>151894096
The way they initially had everything set up with the phonewave the future didn't matter at all after it impacted the past. It was immediately shifted away from which was a good choice because it avoided all the closed loop nonsense in other time travel fiction.

But later on with the physical time machine it starts pulling the same closed loop shit to manufacture drama. Suzuha needs her parents to get together or she'll stop existing. Okabe needs to fail in the past to give his future self motivation to give his past self the plan that was already sent back. Etc.
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>>151894207
Okabe himself says "Steins;Gate" has no meaning at all.

The semicolon is there just to look cool, most likely, and to link the different stories together from their very name.
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>>151894207
Looks cool and nothing else. BTW someone should start another S;G thread.
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>They never really explained the significance of Stein's Gate
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>>151894164
That would've made it harder for everyone, no pun intended.

>>151894207
Because it's cool. That's literally the entire reason.
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>>151894207
>those fucking lewd hips and those sexy hotpants
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>>151894246
why not do it yourself, big boy?
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>>151894238
Draw a graph/picture. Seriously. It all lines up.
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>>151894304
ok, lad
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>>151894372
>>151894372
>>151894372
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>>151894207
Because Lintahlo is chuuni as fuck in his Hououin persona, and they always choose either Norse mythology names or just random names for stuff.
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>>151894238
I'm with you. D-mail is fine and perfectly clear, but every time physical time travel comes into picture it becomes a smudge of half-explanations and no one can actually consistently explain its exact mechanics.
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>>151894895
Yeah. I wish they would have just stuck with the principle that whatever happens at the point in the past you influenced is permanently there and the universe just rewrites from that state of affairs. I don't think the deviations from that were ever even important to the story.
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>>151891810
I loved the grain and does on the hair and clothes in S;G. It made it feel unique compared to other artstyles.
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