What would you say is his best work?
>>151819524
Does /a/ even know who this guy is anymore? Do all the newfags even care?
Hi No Tori is my favourite at least.
>>151819524
Spirited away
>>151819524
Wasn't he the one who drew that Lion King rip-off? That was pretty good. Oh yeah, and the Hitler one too.
>>151819524
I only read blackjack.
Does pluto count as one of his works?
>>151819524
Tezuka' s boku no pico.
Best shit ever.
Astro Boy.
80's Astro Boy.
>>151819524
Hi no Tori.
>>151819524
Black Jack or Atom.
Honestly, most of Tezuka's actual production is rather bad despite his reputation as one of the old gods, so it all comes down to the few titles that actually got big.
Wish he went for quality rather than quantity, but admittedly that was one of the problems of many mangaka back then, Ishinomori and Nagai made the same mistake.
Funny how today the situation is the exact opposite, whereas Tezuka and his peers busted their asses creating tons of different manga nowadays once a mangaka gets a big hit they cling to it desperately and barely do anything else.
One of his short story collections.
>>151820247
That's pretty rubbish. If you don't think he put his all into all of his work to produce quality, you have no idea how hard he worked. He practically worked himself to death. He's produced more great pieces of work than many other mangaka combined (listen to what actual mangaka say about how much quality he produced). What does it actually matter how much of it wasn't that great? He experimented, and he failed miserably, because no one else had done so before. Particularly with his animation, he produced a bunch of garbage. His manga though, a lot of it is worth reading, probably the only ones that aren't are those prior to the 60s, 65 at the latest.
Made me a buddhist.
>>151819524
Astro Boy because it eventually lead to Pluto.
That stack of furry porn drawing in his closet,
>>151820880
>probably the only ones that aren't are those prior to the 60s
This probably isn't even true for people who actually give a damn about the inception of manga in its current form (and don't care about its current readability so much).
>>151819524
Black Jack or DodoroI wonder if the ending of the PS2 game is canon, considering the series never finished.
>>151820880
Look, I know about Tezuka, and the fact that he was so stupid to work himself to death, being basically a doctor on top of that, doesn't really put him in a good light for me, at all. I do not admire stakanovism, especially when it leads to quantity more than quality.
>He's produced more great pieces of work than many other mangaka combined
The same can be said of any pioneer of a medium, that doesn't really mean all of his works are actually good though, and many aren't even that experimental to begin with, Tezuka had a great creative drive but a lot of his production when it comes to manga is pretty shallow and it was shallow even for its time.
I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve his fame, but many people suffer from some kind of pygmalion effect when it comes to him and probably didn't even read most of his stuff but only know the big hits.
>Particularly with his animation, he produced a bunch of garbage.
I think his work on anime is actually pretty good all around, what I don't like is most of his manga, I wouldn't say that a lot of his production is worth reading, while a lot of his production seems interesting at first most of it was actually rather bland, repetitive and uninteresting, so unless you are a person with some historic interest in the medium it's definitely not worth reading, and even if you are you're not going to find all that much worth reading.
I personally prefer people who do few, but consistently good works than people who churn out low quality stuff, being a pioneer is a great thing but that doesn't magically make you immune from criticizing your work when it turns out shallow and boring.
>>151821411
Dororo was actually a surprisingly good manga. I was expecting something childish and flimsy action-adventure, but it really surprised me.
>>151819524
20th Century Boys
>>151820946
That's lewd.
>>151821411
>dodoro
*Dororo
>>151819524
Who cares about this faggot? Dragon Ball is shit.
>>151821463
You keep saying shallow, shallow, shallow. Which manga are you referring to?
I've read a good deal of his manga, and artists occupying the same time period. Tezuka is a storyteller second to nobody, probably even to this day. The contents were immaterial to him, but he made anything readable and have real flow. There's so few mangaka who have anywhere near the same concept of flow and panelling that he did. The kinds of technical features he helped introduce, the very transition to 'story manga', the mangaka-assistant relationship, the creation of mangaka being a dream job to a whole generation, the historical arguments he put forth post-war in response to current events. You just seem blind to all the things you can't immediately see from his manga.
>>151821476
Shame it wasn't properly concluded.
>>151821588
Judging by your post you seem precisely the kind of person I was referring to and I tend to avoid, so I won't even engage in further discussion, you have your opinion, I have mine, /a/ has enough shitposting and this thread doesn't need any.
If you think stuff like his Crime and Punishment adaptation is worth reading outside of the novelty of a russian book adapted into a manga, it's your own, debatable view on the matter, but let me remind you that even most self proclaimed manga aficionados or Tezuka fans only know most of his works, even in japan, only his most successful works lke Black Jack or Atom are the ones that are truly remembered, for good reasons of course, and Tezuka did shitloads of manga, literally hundreds of them, but barely more than a dozen are remembered to this day, that alone tells a lot about his works.
>the creation of mangaka being a dream job to a whole generation
Funny that you mention this but conveniently don't say that he's also singelhandedly responsible for the shitty suicidal mentality of many mangaka and editors, a further reason why I will not argue with you.
You say I'm blind to things, but it seems that you conveniently don't show the other side of the coin.
>>151821787
>worth reading outside of the novelty of a russian book adapted into a manga
I don't. I don't know why you would presume that of me.
>but barely more than a dozen are remembered to this day
And yet, nearly all manga incorporates ideas from his manga, even the ones which are long dead.
>also singelhandedly responsible for the shitty suicidal mentality of many mangaka and editors
Yes. But then we wouldn't be reading manga then would we?
Farewell then.
>>151821787
>Crime and Punishment adaptation
Isn't the point to be suitable for mass consumption? Because that's what Tezuka primary did. It's not really much of a wonder that anybody seeking the contents of the original aren't going to find what they are looking for.
Tezuka is a really good artist. I don't think this is said enough.
>>151822053
In which ways exactly? Even accounting for his style, there are still the odd gaffe in his anatomy. There are definitely those who existed at the same time who were much more adept at it.
>>151822118
He knows more about anatomy than most artists.
>>151821909
>It's not really much of a wonder that anybody seeking the contents of the original aren't going to find what they are looking for.
Come on now, anybody with half a brain wouldn't do this.
As a manga itself it's rather mediocre, especially compared to other works from Tezuka, it is interesting to see how Tezuka decided to adapt it, but the result, as a manga, not as an adaptation of a book, is unimpressive.
You make a good point when you say that it was possibly being made to be more suitable for a wide audience, but the result wasn't really that good.
>>151822118
He wasn't one of the best, but he had some great knowledge of his craft, what I personally admire is that he really had some incredible mastery of his own style, so to speak. Yes, he wasn't all that good with anatomy and he had some serious problems with perspective but his style, and most importantly, his ludicrous speed, are definitely impressive.
And I say this as one who doesn't really like Tezuka all that much, but you have to give to Caesar's what is Caesar's, when he did squeeze everything into his work he did some truly impressive stuff that make you overlook some anatomical errors.
>>151822196
Definitely modern artists, where they just copy from one mangaka to another. But a lot of the earlier mangaka spent a lot of time doing nude drawings and such, which few people must do today.
>>151822282
>especially compared to other works from Tezuka
That's not really any surprise given it was done in the early 50s. Anything before maybe '65 is generally difficult to consume, at least for us (for the people in Japan wondering what kind of entertainment they could get for a penny during a great social and societal depression, it was spectacular).
For most of the 50s and earlier, Tezuka was a two-bit hack ripping off as many stories as possible (refining his drawings and such along the way, yes). For some time probably in the 40s, he was probably imitating western comics verbatim. It's full of clones, and not very good ones. Towards the 70s, is some of his best works, but even then there are some shocking pieces born of jealousy and depression.
>>151822646
During the occupation, western comics became a big thing, and so artists like Tezuka did everything they could to hitch on the craze.
>>151822118
>there are still the odd gaffe in his anatomy
I know, rite, look at this QUALITY.Jokes aside, he was an fantastically expressive, lively and inventive cartoonist. That some of his art isn't as good for whatever reason doesn't disqualify his strengths. Having contemporaries that draw better wouldn't do that either (though I'm curious who exactly you mean).
>>151822118
I really enjoy some of his composition. The first few pages of Buddha floored me the first time I saw them.
GOAT is still Black Jack (The Holmes of manga)
never been topped and we will only getting shiiter manga nowadays with muh teenager angsts
Hi No Tori
>>151819524
Astro Boy. Despite how brutally cynical and "edgy"(for the time) his stuff can be, he really shines when he is restrained and focuses on his more light-hearted/optimistic works. Astro Boy embodies that. The manga is dark as shit, yet it doesn't feel like it because it's balanced out by the constant sight-gags and Astro's wide-eye'd idealism.
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>>151823128
I still can't enjoy Black Jack more than I do Fran. I take the black humour any day.
>>151823228
>for the time
Maybe at the beginning, but Garo hit its heydays in the middle of its run. Most of the reason we have any comics aimed at anyone apart from children is because of them, and no doubt they helped dictate some of what Tezuka used.
>>151823228
Is there a recommended order for Atom?
Normally I'd go by release order but would that mean starting with Captain Atom?
>>151819524
Osamu Dezaki
>>151819524
Isn't Phoenix supposed to be his magnum opus? I was planning on reading it eventually but I haven't gotten around to it yet.