She's too perfect for this fucking show.
VADOSBOYS WHERE WE AT
He also got hurt by Sorbet's laser.
It's just how ki works, it's their convenient excuse to let their god-tiers get taken down for drama or laughs.
I don't think that was EoZ.
>somebody was angry and autistic enough to make this entire fucking thing
Well they really showed them how unperturbed and well-adjusted they are to be this volcanic about a children's cartoon and comic book series.
>He also got hurt by Sorbet's laser.
Laser that Freeza (a galactic emperor with lots of resources) prepared as a back up plan>>>>Some post apocalyptic Earth gun
Plus Goku was injured from fighting Freeza.
>SS -> SSR
>Toyotaro uses Toriyama script
>Toei conveniently ignores some parts if they want
>Toyotaro have Toriyama's directions to help him with details the autor wants
>Toei don't give a shit
>Toyotaro wants give more importance to the whole cast
>Toei wants 'The Show of Goku and Vegeta - Every Sunday!' (Trunks is allowed too if they can sell new figurines, cards, etc)
>Super Saiyan Blue
>Toyotaro make of Blue the strongest saiyan form which should be used carefully to avoid some dangerous consequences, which make it an actually new (also interesting) form
>Toei's SS Blue is literally SS with blue colors, trivially used even for baseball
>Toyotaro respect Goku
>Toei seems to think that GT Goku wasn't enough
>Toyotaro wants some variety of bad guys
>Toei wants more Freezas
>Toyotaro is officially the Akira Toriyama's pupil, who taken up the mantle of drawing DB.
>Toei received complaints from Toriyama itself
>Toyotaro screwed up once with a statement that must be ignored in order for scale to work perfectly
>Toei inconsistencies has been legendaries for decades
>Toyotaro art was even praised by Toriyama as "wonderful skills"
>Toei "art" is even more infamous than their power scales
>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.
>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!
>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.
>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.
>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!
>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking
>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!
>What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?
>At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.
That's fair, but it wasn't siphoning from Frieza's own power.
Plus it was against an SSB. How far can technology go against universe+ levels?
Plus there was the whole mounting character arc throughout RoF about Goku being too lax and carefree that would seem to imply he was powered-down and got caught off-guard.
Oh, looks like we're about to have some fun here.
>Toyocucks think they can win arguments by spamming lengthy copypastas and images that took half-a-day to make
>Toeichads simply sit back and allow them to trigger themselves as they work to improve their personal lives and casually enjoy something intended for entertainment and fun
> power scaling
I don't know how to tell you this anon...
> somebody was angry and autistic enough to make this entire fucking thing
Someone was even MORE autistic to type every single word. >>151800595
Including the blatantly wrong ones like "power-scaling"
> "People complained that RoF had a lack of tension. How do we remedy this Toyotaro-san?"
> "Just nerf the antagonist"
> "Also, that 'Black' guy looks promising. Let's make him behave like a generic villain"
> "But sir-"
> "FUCK. THEM. UP."
I know damn well you Toeishills aren't talking about copypastas when one of your own: >>151797855
Mangafags are starting almost every anime vs manga fight, because they arw in full damage-control over Toyo ruining the arc's villain
>type every single word
You literally haven't read the pic
>also implying call someone autistic is an argument
When will you dumb motherfuckers stop with this anime vs manga bullshit?
The anime is terrible, literally nobody actually thinks its good, let alone better than the manga.
Stop falling for the bait for fuck sake.
> one thread-old anime pasta vs the same fucking manga pastas we see every day
>another toeishill who actually thinks toei power levels are "canon" so manga power levels are "nerfed"
In Toei are too retardeds to manage anything except pure raw power, anime-Hit is the proof
>"Black guy looks promising, let's make him like Toriyama wants, ignoring the cheated zenkai asspull and the masochist personality made in Toei"
Yeah Toyotaro is so bad, dude
Toeishills are just doing this for the sake of jumping the bandwagon, really.
I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THE ANIME YET
WHAT IS THIS?! PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS FAN ANIMATION
> Manga Black will never be fun like he was in the anime
>Toeishills will defend this
> it's not possible to complain about Toei animation AND how Toyo likes to butcher antagonists
This is why dbs threads are cancer
No they won't.
Because Toeichads are well-adjusted people who accept the flaws of their superior format and find enjoyment anyway.
Whereas Toyopedros boast the minor positives of their inferior mandingo comic panels and pretend it has no setbacks, whilst autistically rattlings out enormous copypastas as their life revolves around worshipping a gook without a chin.
DBS threads are Toeichad territory
>"Black guy looks promising, let's make him like Toriyama wants, ignoring everything that made people like him in the first place
I doesn't matter whether or nor it's closer to what Toriyama envisioned, it is objectively worse than the anime counterpart.
Considering zamasu/black are the only true antagonists in the series so far theyre pretty much the same in both, no you cant.
The only difference is the manga isnt dragging the arc out by hopping back and forth through time, so theres not as much exposure.
>how Toyo likes to butcher antagonists
I don't understand how Toyotaro not making the antagonists retardedly overpowered and fucking with established canon at same time is butchering anything.
> I like the manga art, and some plot-points like Trunks training with the Z-Sword. But I don't like what Toyo did with Hit, and with Black.
> "WTF YOU MUST LOVE THE ANIMATION FROM RE:ROF YOU TOEISHILL!!"
I hate this fanbase so much
Everything about Frost' being hardly different from Frieza was filler aside from the cheating part was filler? Damn. But what if he gets developed to be totally different in the multiverse tournament? Does Toei really intends to keep up with that?
>everything that made people like him in the first place
>people like Black because have inconsistent cheated zenkais and he's edgy
>Tori and Toyo Black is objectively worse than toei Black"
> black was always resident in trunks' resident?
What? It doesn't make any sense, how did he get his hands on his body then? And what about SSR? The point is that it was his version of SSB.
I dunno, everyone seems to think so but it would be kinda silly to have an entire story arc only last like 3-4 chapters.
I think we still have a little ways to go, black will transform next chapter, probably push vegeta and gokus shit in, theyll have to retreat and train or w/e, then theyll have at it for the final showdown. Im hoping theres at least 2-3 more chapters here.
MANGA CONFIRMED FOR BE SHIT, ANIME WAS THE SUPERIOR VERSION ALL THIS TIME
SEE GUYS? MANGA A SHIT, TORIYAMA CONFIRMED FOR BE A HACK
>So you make them retardedly under-powered instead?
Except he didn't do that either, Hit was able to dodge a full power Kamehamaha from SSB Goku. Reminder Hit was holding back because of the rules.
How is that retardedly under-powered?
>SS Black should've beaten SS2 Vegeta.
SS2 Vegeta is stronger than SS3 Goku and besides he didn't lose he was just surprised because Vegeta was stronger than he thought he would be. SS Black was able to take several hits from SSB Vegeta and keep getting back up.
>come here for lewd vados pictures
>get MUH TOEI and MUH TOYO
As somebody who thinks DBS is shit overall, why does anybody care about which version is better? Fucking GT was better and it was like a 4/10 show at best
Super is more like fanfiction written to justify the dragonball machine and less an actual story
Who the fuck cares if the manga or anime is better? Anybody who likes DBS needs to go watch a better show or stop wasting their time with dogshit made simply to sell merchandise
Toyotaro is handing over his storyboards for the next arc to Toei, that's how he is getting ahead of the anime. The manga publication schedule will remain behind the anime though, so there's still more chapters until the Trunks arc ends.
Reminder that SSA isn't a SS "level 2" in the same way isn't a "SS grade 2", but a new form above them.
SS -> muscles on -> muscles off -> sparks on -> sparks off -> SS Anger
now stop the fight guys
>Toyotaro is handing over his storyboards for the next arc to Toei, that's how he is getting ahead of the anime. The manga publication schedule will remain behind the anime though
>>people like Black because have inconsistent cheated zenkais and he's edgy
People kinda did, though.
They liked the extravagant nature of his character and how he abused the shit out of a series' trait.
>Except he didn't do that either
See: SS Black vs Vegeta
> SS2 Vegeta is stronger than SS3 Goku
Even IF you actually want to believe that...BASE form Black beat SS2 Trunks ( >= SS3 Goku).
The fight shouldn't have been so ridiculously one-sided
They announced that the anime was going to start following the mangas lead, as in use it as storyboards n shit.
Everyone assumed that meant the manga was going to pull ahead of the anime in publication somehow. But i guess the manga is already into the universal tourny as far as whats being drawn, and the anime is going to use that as a guideline, but publication wise the anime will probably always be ahead of the manga since its a monthly issue vs a weekly tv show.
>See: SS Black vs Vegeta
See Black vs SS2 Goku Anime
>The fight shouldn't have been so ridiculously one-sided
Actually, he said he will be relying information to Toei, but didn't get into details. Still, he said nothing about the manga publication getting ahead of the anime.
>Yes because boring invincible villains that make most characters irreverent...
>Tori and Toyo Black is objectively worse than toei Black"
Correct. If you deprive a character of the aspects that made him popular in the first place, then your version is objectively inferior.
No, what really is fun are invicible protagonists that win all the fights without breaking a sweat
And the manga already make the other characters irrelevant anyway, even with the shitty weak villains
I'm confused, isn't it a thing that Saiyans get stranger by getting beated up?
If so, why Is everyone comparing a post-beat up Ss2 Trunks with base Black?
And thinking Black Is not on a more equal level with Goku and Vegeta after being beaten by SSB and healed by Zamasu?
Ooooooh, he blocked a single attack! That totally disqualifies it from being a one-sided humiliation!!
In case you're genuinely retarded, which I think you might be, that was sarcasm.
>carrying unconscious actual relevant characters
Oh boy, what a role.
>No, what really is fun are invicible protagonists that win all the fights without breaking a sweat
Goku lost to Beerus twice
Vegeta lost to Beerus
Goku lost to Frost
Vegeta lost to Hit
>Ooooooh, he blocked a single attack
Go back to school, kid.
What's your point? Black is still clearly getting overwhelmed while Vegeta isn't even breaking a sweat. He was barely even trying. No amount of damage control you do will ever stop this fight from being one-sided.
>I'm sorry. but "most characters" have been irrelevant for decades
Yeah and Hit's improvement bullshit would have added Vegeta to that list.
>Black is still clearly getting overwhelmed
And? That alone doesn't make it one sided.
>while Vegeta isn't even breaking a sweat.
Nice headcanon, Vegeta was taking that fight more seriously then Goku did durning his fight with Black.
>implying Toriyama conceived Black as an edgy masochist with cheated zenkai
Nope, Toriyama conceived Black and Toei pushed their shit in he. It's like say DBS deprive Goku of SS4
>if you don't use "popular" shit in your version, the popular one is objectively superior
Toeifags confirmed for the most hilarious people in this world
Youre right, and it should be.
>battle hardened saiyajin whos had his whole life to hone his powers
>prima donna god who has done nothing but train in a foreign body that hes just figuring it out as he goes along
The fact he was even able to turn ssj is surprising, but he did get to see trunks do it so i guess.
>manga-Vegeta lose against Hit because wanted use their Blue form with Cabba to teach him how strong the glorious saiyan race can be, even if that means he loose the next fight
>anime-Vegeta is just too weak
Sorry but manga wins again
>implying goku was trying his hardest vs trunks
anon plz, stop this meme, theres a thousand and one ways to explain this, stop being so literal and lern2context, or rather lern2goku
youre only making yourself look dumber
Are you pretending?
He didn't say he deprived Black of Toriyama's concepts, but the ones that made him liked.
Toei actually injected those. It's one of the few things they've done right.
Tori's basis was shit, we're seeing that in the manga, as Toyo rigidly sticks to it.
I am. Manga Black is more rational and sensibly written, but fucking boring.
Toyo has underwhelmed to fuck with a lot of his character execution. Hit's the only manga character I can see as being directly above his anime counterpart.
>seemingly closer fight that made sense power-wise
Top kek and Goku wasn't even being serious.
Is there a chance Frost may just be a dirty cheater and not another space Hitler in the manga?
After Resurrection F, having there be another member of Frieza's race who's a space conqueror would be redundant.
>Poor toeishill can't deal with based manga-Vegeta
Cry me a river
I like the idea of Frost redeeming himself from using dirty tricks in the U6 arc by training hard and achieving his Golden form for universe survival.
Unlike Frieza, Frost would train enough to get used to his Golden form so he could actually maintain it in battle.
Shut the fuck up with your pretentiuosity and stop over analysing a fucking cartoon with your made up bullshit thinking you sound like anything but an asshole.
>wahwaahhh burackusama isnt as edgy and trenchcoat in the manga
Neither was zamasu, blacks sudden character change really didnt make sense in the anime if you think about it, considering it was actually still zamasu not a different character.
Execute that faggot.
>And? That alone doesn't make it one sided.
Yes, it does.
>Nice headcanon, Vegeta was taking that fight more seriously then Goku did durning his fight with Black.
Again, what's your point? He was still easily overwhelming Black without exerting much effort at all, a fact which is undeniable.
>mangafag steaming with rage
Toeichads do it again
It wouldn't make much sense, the point was that Frieza was a lazy shit a bit of training allowed him to get the golden form. Wasn't there also the fact he's supposed to be a mutant? I really don't like those but continuity speaking Frost shouldn't be able to get to this level.
At the begining I thought there was an actual discussion about manga vs anime, but seeing as it's not, and actually it Is just the animefags trolling the mangafags I'm more at peace.
Atleast animefags know the anime Is shit and they do this just for the trolling.
Ah you're right, Frieza's family is a mutant in his species but is there anything saying Frost isn't one himself?
Really, I just want Toyo to not toss Frost into the same group of evil space conquerors with Frieza. It goes back to what Goku said about Frieza being a good rival if he wasn't so evil.
>but seeing as it's not, and actually it Is just the animefags trolling the mangafags I'm more at peace.
> Atleast animefags know the anime Is shit and they do this just for the trolling.
You see now friend
Toeipussyslayers lit. don't give a fuck
Toyocuckaroos think the DBS mango is actually good
So we bully them
Not him but if Gohan Black somehow came into being and was like Gohan's potential plus actual fighting prowess that he lacked, and Goku was forced to kill his kid?
You can't deny that'd be a crazy way to end DB that people would remember forever
I think were pretty far beyond final boss type shit.
Unless its like a rogue angel or ebil god of destruction, or
buuwhat could it possibly be?
Super is way more DB than Z, and thats rly the best thing about it. Ofc dubfags and powerlevelfags dont get it, and thats why these threads are as shit as they are
>I think were pretty far beyond final boss type shit.
How would a series based around fighting and light humour ever be beyond "final boss type shit"?
Of course they'll have a final boss.
My money's on the Grand Priest honestly
>What could it possibly be?
A GT crossover
>Black is such a shitty character that losing a single fight qualifies as ruining his character
>T-Toyotaro cucks are in d-damage control
>This is what Toeishills actually believe
Oh I'm sorry, is it that single inconsistency in the manga? Versus the sixteen thousand inconsistencies in the anime? Is that what they're whining like little pissbabies over? Is that it, anon? You fucking pathetic assmad little Blackfag? Is that what you're mad about?
You're a fucking joke.
Anyone know where I can get HD scans of the manga? All I can find are the crappy ones that look like they were made in paint
>Oh I'm sorry, is it that single inconsistency in the manga? Versus the sixteen thousand inconsistencies in the anime? Is that what they're whining like little pissbabies over? Is that it, anon? You fucking pathetic assmad little Blackfag? Is that what you're mad about?
>Oh I'm sorry, is it that single inconsistency in the manga? Versus the sixteen thousand inconsistencies in the anime? Is that what they're whining like little pissbabies over? Is that it, anon? You fucking pathetic assmad little Blackfag? Is that what you're mad about?
Calling it now, Android 17 and 18 get absorbed by someone from another universe that looks kind of like Cell. Why else would they both be back.
Nah Anime black is at least fun.
Neither are some story-telling masterpiece and have their obvious flaws, but one at least embraces eccentricities to become a really fun character. The other is safe-playing and dull.
>Why else would they both be back.
Because they're canon SSJ+ by a comfortable margin, and therefore easily within their universe's top 10 fighters.
Also old character fanservice.
Also 17 is best boi
No way someone can be this retarded.
Sir I can assure that it is NOT a case of samfaggotry.
>17 is not for fugs
That's simply untrue.
Whenever I think of Super, I realize it's so absurdly shit and that the standards of the fanbase have fallen drastically to compensate.
Then I remember the manga isn't actually all that bad, and is a pretty decent continuation.
People who like the anime in general are simply retarded plebs of the highest caliber. I hold nothing but disgust for them.
When will they learn that these simply are not their threads anymore?
When will they learn Toeichads have taken over?
Toeicucks lost a long time ago.
I feel like I'm being trolled and that this anime vs manga shit is fake controversy but I know that's not the case. Who gives a shit? There's no competition between two disparate companies like with DC v Marvel or a reason you can only choose one or other for monetary reasons like with consoles. I get emphatically preferring the anime or manga with something like FMA in which there are major differences between the tone, genre, and type of story being told. But this is like complaining about how Sonic's arms are blue. Fuck; that time ring shit is even worse. Sonic's arm color doesn't require magnification to notice.
And to pull this shit every fucking thread? That's beyond Chris-chan tier. Sonic's arms was a one time affair.
I want to fuck Chichi in the ass!
>Dragon Ball's original manga was also rushed
>Shit vs Shit: The Thread
Anyway, who's your favorite girl?
>tfw know the manga is superior to the shitty anime
Feels patrician, man
> toyblecucks are THIS autistic
Holy shit and I thought >>151800425 was bad.
>I'm too retarded and terrified to put forth any arguments because I don't like facts being thrown in my face
keep spamming buzzwords like autist if they make you feel better, champ
>What's low is Toeicucks troll and ruin every thread
You're saying this when toyblecucks are literally the reason this whole anime vs manga thing started:
>ppl call out trolls
>trolls shut up for a bit
>check back 20 mins later
>thread is shit again
The state of /a/, so full of newfags and normies they cant even not fall for the bait.
> b-but no argument
I don't fucking feel like it.
I hate these goddamn arguments. no one is going to change their minds, so who cares. I dont know how u guys can go to DB threads everyday, spouting the same shit over and over.
You can go enjoy your rushed, traced manga with shitty antagonists. I don't give a fuck.
Except I'm not. Just commented on how ridiculously autistic and desperate-looking this post was >>151805305
So I'm still waiting on this
I've asked this before, never got an answer. Wonder why
>I'm phone posting
Should have known you were that type of cancer.
>Black existence was caused by Trunks travel, while Trunks travel was caused by Black existence
>SS2 Trunks kicked SSR Black
>Zamasu fighting SSB Goku without making use of his inmortality
>Black asspull zenkai
>Black asspull zenkai only exist in filler battles, not in canon ones (vs Trunks, vs Goku/Vegeta to reach Rose, vs Vegeta being finally defeated)
>according to Mai, there's no more humans, only the resistence, but there's more people with Android 8 during spirit bomb sword aspull
>according to Whis, Beerus killing Zamasu creates another timeline, but only time travels to the past creates more timelines
Enough? Because plot inconsistencies actually spoils the plot, unlike "hey Trunks is SS3 tie-woops! OK forgot that".If only toei's inconsistencies would just appear only in filler battles... but no, anime have several power level problems and plot problems (like Black paradox).
>SSA Trunks is supposed to be SSB Goku/Vegeta tier but was SSB Vegetto tier
>"was the spirit bomb sword!"
Spirit bomb ki (also sword) is blue. Before accomplish humans and Earth genki in his sword, Trunks used a regular yellow ki sword against merged Zamasu.
>Zeno in the anime an immature child
>Zeno in the manga is a super casual bro
>not perfect enough to be too good for the show
Was he the worst Buu?
Something just dawned on me...
Since there is nobody else alive in the future in the manga that means that there would really be no reason to hurry back, assuming they all leave after black goes pink
Rewatching the Android Arc. Why was there no Goten? Didn't the time between Goku dying from the virus and Cell (didn't exist in that timeline, though) a short enough length of time that Goten should have been conceived?
Assuming they even leave
They got a bag of senzus with them
>black goes pink
>zamasu gets involved 2v2 style
Massive fite session would sure shut the blackfags up
Toriyama didn't shade most of the time.
Right before the Cell Games, ChiChi got pregnant. So I wonder when the timeline in the future was when she got pregnant. Because in the present, Goku got sick, and immediately went to fight and train. I guess it was the days after coming out of the time chamber that she got pregnant.
Correct me if Im wrong but I think there was no Goten in future timeline. Goku died, and not long later Chichi and everyone else got killed by the androids. In the present, as Goku died in middle of the Cell games, so you are right, it had to be before the androids/Cell.
I'm thinking it was after Gohan and Goku went into the time chamber to train and before the start of the Cell Games. Would honestly be the only time that lines up for Goten not existing in the future (unless ChiChi died when she was pregnant).
Let's wait and see.
But since they have the senzu beans this time, it's possible that only Trunks and Mai will go to the present to find a way to defeat the enemy (or Trunks gets some training) while Goku and Vegeta stay in the future fighting.
For pure fanservice hype obviously stacking multipliers and becoming 10X stronger is cool.
In practice it was Toei only shit that got weak explanation with no logics or reason, screwed up power scaling and they even had to retcon Hit to not be 10x stronger than SSB Goku in the filler rematch.
>kid buu who literally only makes monkey noise and pounds on his chest like an autistic kid REEEEing on /r9k/
>more interesting than super buu who had some semblance of intelligence and revolutionized the absorption/assimilation concept
>more interesting than watching paint dry
is this bait? are you shitposting?
>people actually like this fucking meme of a villain
Will he redeem himself in Universe Survival?
because fucking mangastream fucking likes to fucking swear you fucking cunt head
For fuck's sake, we had managed to have TWO whole chill threads without autistic manga vs anime shit-flinging, goddamnit guys
Am I the only one here who actually likes Zamasu and his saga and not just for the memes?
Doesn't help his voice-acting was 10/10
When will she appear in Super?
This no longer applies, post-god-training Goku and Vegeta are roughly equal in every form, by this logic SSJ 1 Goku is stronger because he actually gave Beerus a fight in that form.
oh no this will trigger some people anon
but yeah, Super is objectively a much better sequel to Z and miles better than GT
now whether it's gonna end up being better than Z, that is an entirely different debate and we'll have to wait for it to end first
next arc sounds pretty fucking good though
Not him, but
>the recolored transformations and overall uninspired designs
>underwhelming fight choreography in both mediums
>fucked up powerscalling in both mediums
>Resurrection F is just shit
>Super Saiyan God could easily be abused and give everyone the SSJG power-up yet they don't do it
>fucked up ages, everyone should look much older than they do now
>Goku is bucthered in both mediums
>fucked pacing in both mediums
>the overabundant fanservice in both mediums
>the Gods are cunts and nobody seems to call them out on that, they're all friendly with Beerus and Zeno despite them being mass-murderers
And more stuff. I still enjoy the series, but it's not good.
all of these sans the pacing are retarded reasons to call a series ''not good''
>>the Gods are cunts and nobody seems to call them out on that, they're all friendly with Beerus and Zeno despite them being mass-murderers
Why is this even an issue? Hell, Vegeta killed countless of people too in the past and yet nobody has a problem with him being around
>all of these sans the pacing are retarded reasons to call a series ''not good''
They're not consdering it was asked
>Well what makes DBS so shit to you then?
>Why is this even an issue? Hell, Vegeta killed countless of people too in the past and yet nobody has a problem with him being around
Vegeta never killed people after he became a good guy. Only time he killed people as a semi-good guy was during the Android arc but nobody trusted him even so and only had him around because he was powerful.
Everyone trusts Beerus and Whis and Goku is friends with Zeno despite the fact that Zeno destroyed Trunks' world and Beerus murders civilizations and could kill them all at the flick of a switch.
>Vegeta never killed people after he became a good guy
>literally the only reason Cell became perfect
>literally the only reason Buu was awoken
>never killed people
Beerus is a god of destruction, he's just doing his job of keeping the balance of the universe
Zeno is the god of everything and thus can do whatever the fuck he wants, he's above mortal morals
Furthermore Goku was never meant to be a heroic figure, Toriyama always depicted Goku as someone who simply wants to fight strong opponents and he kinda hated how the DBZ anime fucked up on that front by making him seem more heroic than what he actually is
>Majin Vegeta and Android arc Vegeta
Even if you consider him a good guy, literally everyone called him out on the fact that he was being a dickhead. Nobody calls the Gods out on shit. Goku witness Zeno destroy Trunks' world and the minute after that is helping him find a friend and acting all like a goofy dumbass. Beerus' job is to murder civilizations and Goku and Vegeta (or anyone, for that matter) not once comment on the fact that perhaps keeping such a close relationship with him might be dangerous.
>Furthermore Goku was never meant to be a heroic figure, Toriyama always depicted Goku as someone who simply wants to fight strong opponents and he kinda hated how the DBZ anime fucked up on that front by making him seem more heroic than what he actually is
So? This doesn't mean Goku is an asshole who lets innocent people die, he's always called out something like that when he sees it happening in front of him. Even if Goku didn't say anything, other characters should speak up as they're definitely more morally pure than Goku is.
You know, considering the premise of the next arc, I'm kinda expecting people staging a coup against the Zenos because holy fucking shit the premise to delete every single universe except one for a dumb tournament is insane
And that's fine and all, but they're not playing around. When the group is alone without Beerus and Whis present, they don't talk about how their present situation is fucked and they should do something about the Gods. No, they consistently rely on the Gods to fix their problems and trust them completely when Beerus could get mad one day and wipe them all out.
And they ended up relying on the Gods all the same, Whis fixed Trunks' problem for him at the end.
I'll shut up about this point since the next tournament arc seems to me like a really good set-up for a rebellion arc, so I'll wait it out and see how it develops, but this, for now, is to me a big point I dislike about Super, as well as the other points I listed off above.
Goku gets triggered af when Gero starts killing human despite his warnings.
The cool thing about Goku's characterization is that, despite being fucking selfish, he isn't a fedora tipping faggot who's indifferent toward human deaths.
all the issues people here have against Super are either really minor shit or just pure autism
only things I'll give you is the poor animation and the pacing during the last saga, rest is dumb shit to whine about no matter how much you spin it
Super is better than Naruto yes
Somehow, knowing that there are people watching Dragon Ball in 2017 is more unsettling than knowing that there are people who jack off to 2-dimensional little girls.
What manner of unholy autism even leads someone down such a dark road?
They could make a show that was 20 minutes of a black screen with the sound of cats having sex playing as the audio and it would be better than Naruto.
You can make that argument in regards to anything
>watching anime at all
I mean...it would've been kinda disturbing last year too.
And the year before that.
And the year before that.
Dragon Ball is kinda in Sonic ranges of autism.
You guys know that there's other stuff you can watch on crunchy roll, right? There are people you can talk to in real life who can help you, if you need it.
>being so autistic to care about what Chinese cartoons people watch
>watching DB means you don't watch other stuff
are you 12?
Those points ignored the second criteria: not post-Future Zamasu's arrival
Reason being that the manga hasn't reached there yet, so it isn't fair to compare that. Toyo can always pull a SS2 Trunks >= SS3 Goku level of stupiditiy again for all we know.
Wait, what the fuck? How is there a Cell Game if Cell in History 3 went back to History 1 and the Cell in History 2 got killed? Doesn't this mean that there's another timeline? Or they just fucked up.
No shit, that's way I posted this
Time travel in Dragon Ball can go fuck itself.
Cell arc is full of plot holes due to time travel.
Zamasu arc fucks with pre-established time travel rules and so does Xenoverse.
it actually doesn't fuck with the rules at all because they never teleport between two different timelines. They exist outside of time and then insert themselves into whatever gets fucked up.
Vegeta simply states that Trunks' SS2 is as strong as SS3 Goku
But any change in time should create a new timeline anyway.
>Super Boo turns into Kid Boo and blows up the Earth
>g-good job guys!
What about Vegetto? If Vegetto never exists, that should have some impact in the future. Any change in time is going to have severe impact in the future, because DB follows the butterfly effect, they shouldn't be acting like events are gonna play out the same just because they managed to get to the same end-result.
japan official daizenshuu only shows 3 timelines. But its wrong either way since neither of this shits show the trunks that killed kong cold and frieza in cell's timeline. dbz timeline never made sense.
there is no pssj2. its just trunks powering up in ssj2.
either way this shit makes no sense since base black toyed with trunks ssj2 which is equal to goku ssj3 where as vegeta ssj2 shits on black ssj2.
> That's SS blue vegeta
Vegeta wrecked SS Black as a SS2 as well. SSB was unnecessary considering Vegeta was already winning.
> Also vegeta surpassed or at least matched ssj3 in battle of gods
I'm surprised people are actually using this as a counter-point.
No, that was just as temporary power-boost caused by rage. Just like Baby Gohan vs Raditz, Kid Gohan vs Freeza, etc
The manga has plot holes regarding the timelines but >>151822181 would work perfectly if we ignore pic related and remove the Cell Games from "History 4"
I bet you think ssj gohan getting murked by a frieza post training with a powerlevel of 1.3million in his first form was gud.
its called consistency. if you go full braindead the trunks ending would be the best ending in all of dragonball.
>Perfect Cell states that Grade 3 Trunks is stronger than him
>Goku and Gohan get out of the chamber
>Goku's 50% power scares the shit out of Trunks
>Cell was way stronger than Gohan who was way stronger than Goku
Cell > Gohan > Goku > 50% Goku > Trunks > Cell
>Vegeta jobs to Recoome
>Goku arrives, gives him senzu bean
>Vegeta runs away from Ginyu
>fucks up Jeice later
>then is equal to Freeza without any zenkai boost between the two occasions
Freeza = Vegeta > Ginyu > Vegeta > Jeice
Definitely not clear cut fuck-ups like Toyotaro's, but they're still there.
Also Vegeta only having a 20,000 battle power, something that was fixed later in the Kanzenban release but remained present both in the original publication and the Tankobon volumes. This one is a clear Toriyama fuck-up that was only fixed by Shueisha almost 10 years later (and Toei too, in the anime they say 30,000).
What's with this meme?
Trunks mentions it's weird because, in the very next line, he says Black is more powerful now. He's talking about how it's weird Black got so strong so quick and is worried he can get stronger, he isn't saying it's weird that Vegeta is beating Black down. Vegeta even says that Black was too much for Trunks, for some stupid reason.
It's definitely a fuck-up, not early at all. It happens, even Toriyama fucked up.
GRADES have been swapped and retconned out of existence since the Buu Saga
Beerus said that Goku used hia god power to beat SS2 Trunks, which only makes SS2 Trunks losing to Base-form Black even more ridiculous
Obviously because Black was already losing to SS2 Vegeta