Flip Flappers

So this is the new KLK that everyone likes ironically?

Not even that good outside the animation, sadly. Which means everything else in 2016 was utter shit since FliFla is AOTY.

>>151771192
>since FliFla is AOTY.
Said no one ever

>>151771218
forty (40)

>>151771192
MP100 is better and has better animation so, no, 2016 wasn't all that bad.

So what you're saying is the show is worth watching?

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>>151771192
>mfw

>>151771172
More than 10 people cared about KLK, so no.

I liked it, but it seemed like it was lacking some kind of X factor. I can't put my finger on it. Like the show was consistently good, but it never got me really excited for it.

>>151771256
Yes, absolutely.
I can’t describe how I felt when I realized that Flip Flappers was finally over, and that it hadn’t stumbled. That it hadn’t betrayed its own themes and ideas. That a show this perfect and meaningful and complete really could exist. Because the (masterfully executed) fake out scene had left me breathless, wondering if a story about genuine, ecstatic, boundless love was really going to fail in the last minute in the name of drama, tragedy, and all the other concepts that are far too often valued over pure unconditional happiness in our media.

It was the most boring shit I ever watched.

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The ending was complete garbage, none of the characters except for Dr. Salt even had any character behind them, Yayaka's arc was just dropped and finished abruptly cause the show was ending and lmao we aren't giving her to Cocona, Cocona and Papika are annoying as fuck, Nyunyu's existence, Mimi was a terribly handled villain just for the sake of having one, and even the fucking animation quality dropped a lot at the end.

series sucked, suck it up and stop pretending the ending didn't ruin it all just cause it reminds you of Neon Genesis Gurren la Gurren for some retarded reason.

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>>151771192
All those shows were better though.

I want to fuck coconas underage pussy until she starts to devour me and her umbilical cord is attached to my neck to suffocate me while Im cuming inside her little pussy
this could be pure satisfaction XD

>>151771320
>X factor
A lesbian kiss.

Only /u/fags liked it because of the yuribait which they call a "deep theme".

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>Every Flip Flap thread will be a shitfest now because the redditors in /a/ didn't get their favorite anime voted as AOTY
The time for comfy threads is over, adieu Flip Flappers.

>>151771340
THIS
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>>151771503
Personally, I blame the autist and his shit poll.

Flip Flappers - queer sexuality, fantasy and imagination, Jungian concepts, coming of age, identity

Rakugo - sexuality, art, modernity and tradition

Mob Psycho - coming of age, identity, formally inventive animation as otherworldly representation

>>151771503
Was this really necessary?

>>151771503
It's not like there is anything left to talk about.

>captcha: close close

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>>151771340
Thread ends here.

The fucking PLOT ruined everything.

>>151771218
FliFla is AOTY.

>>151771340
Salt was a terrible character, his backstory poorly done and his interactions and relationships with the other characters even worse.

>>151771553
>queer sexuality
Kill yourself.

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>>151771124
I don't know if this OP is made to invite shitposting or not

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Yeah. I haven't watched anime in a long ass time, but I bought a CR subscription because a friend of mine was ranting about Log Horizon like it was the second coming of Jesus and wanted me to watch it and some other shows with him.
I wanted to get value out of it, so I started with watching something as soon as I bought it. I was not prepared. It's like going to McDonald's and then opening the bag to find beef wellington.

>>151771699
the only threads that get replies are ones that invite shitposting.

/a/ sucks and has becomes stale.

>>151771699
This is what happens when Re:Zero fans shitpost an anime from butthurt.

>>151771699
All the faggots from the AOTY thread will do their best to shitpost here. There's a second bait thread up too.

>>151771699
Flip Flapperfags are so delusional they might actually think this

>>151771419
I don't think the yuri has anything to do with the "deep themes."
Papika could have been a boy, and it would have changed absolutely nothing.

>>151771781
No, it's a pasta.

>>151771395
>XD

>>151771320
My sentiment exactly. I could appreciate what the show was going, with the way it used its visuals to characterize Cocona, foreshadow its overarching narrative and tell its story as well as the multiple references to Jungism, the concept of Umwelt, pop culture etc. But I don't think the show did a good job pushing me to actively examine those deeper layers (even though I still ended up doing it out of sheer curiosity), precisely because it never really managed to emotionally grab me like other shows I enjoyed more this year did, save for the exception of episode 6.
There's also the fact that save for the finale, the last arc was really weak compared to earlier episodes, and even said episodes could've benefitted from making the message episode 13 tried (and mostly succeeded) to convey a bit clearer.

All in all I'd still say it was a really good show, and I'd like to see more of those ambitious little projects in the future.

>>151771699
These are the people that harassed the director of their favorite show with a cringy postcard instead of buying the fucking BDs, so an autistic rant like OP is completely believable.

>>151771883
The person who wrote OP's pasta bought 10 BDs of every volume.

>>151771553
Is this your top 3 AOTY, anon?

Pretty accurate description btw. I'd just replace "queer sexuality" with "yuri".

>>151771866
Is this bait?

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>>151771192

>>151771969
with what money though?

>>151771340
basically this

>>151772006
It worked though.

>>151771871
Turns out the subtext is, guess what, just subtext, and doesn't replace actual narrative and characterization.
If you strip Utena of those and leave just the Jungian imaginery and the postmodernist Versailles no Bara redesign, what is left is flat uninteresting characters and a pointless bore, which is what FliFla turned out to be.

You can literally call almost any anime a masterpiece with deep themes of sexuality and coming of age. Hell, I'd say the fucking shitshow that was Yuri on Ice said more about sexuality than Flip Flappers and I dropped it after 5 episodes.

>>151771609

They're all terrible characters. They rely on visual quirks alone to get the audience invested in them. We're beaten over the head by proclamations of love and all sort of feelings, but giving nothing of substance to attach them to. Yayaki gets like one scene. Salt gets like one sequence. Cocona's only character trait is "she doesn't know what to do after middle school". Papika's only character trait is being madly in love with Cocona. Her reason for this is because she was madly in love with Mimi.

This fucking show is so close, but they just want to handwave all the details. They want to handwave the important shit and skip straight to the part where the characters are endearing and we care about their struggles.

This show will be entirely forgotten by fall next year. It is 100% style over substance.

>>151771969
That's like what, 6000 $?

>>151771340
Nah, none of the other side characters mattered much but had their moments of subtle characterization, Yayaka's arc had a fine ending, not an argument, Nyunyu is a Thomasson, Mimi's character perfectly fit the self-actualization themes and was a presence from the first episode symbolically speaking, animation quality is fine and will be fixed in the BDs, ending was good and a rejection of tragedy that haunts the genre.

>>151772146
>shit characters
>shit plot
>but hey its really pretty
Guess its a masterpiece because it used some cool imagery.

I just watched the first episode. It seems like I'm in for a wild ride.

>>151772310
More like a shit ride. Watch until episode 9 and then leave it, the show just shoots itself in the head after that.

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>>151772310
You're so lucky you don't have to wait a week in between episodes.
Getting that first episode and waiting a week for the next was almost physically painful, and the wait only got harder as the show became more clearly exceptional.

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>Cockona

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>>151772387
>Papicunt

>>151772310

Episodes 1-3 are exceptionally interesting.

Episode 4-9 are hit and miss.

The rest is bullshit.

>>151772442
4-9 are fantastic you fucking faggot.

>>151772645
Not him but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
4 is a great and much needed wind-down episode after 3's crazy action and the character development was fantastic, but it's simply not as fun as the better episodes.

7 is hard to like until after you've finished the series and revisited it. The entire episode is basically playing with plot elements the viewer doesn't know exists yet. It's amazing on a rewatch but it's just not all that interesting on a first watch-through.

The rest are amazing but I can see where some people would consider that stretch to have some misses if they were just looking to enjoy the show week-to-week.

Episode 3 was the best episode this year

>>151771124
Where is this pasta from?

>>151772751
4 is all Cocona and Papika friendship building, how is that not fun?

7 is also fun because of all the crazy Papikas and because it's all about Cocona's character development too.

>>151772751

6, 7, and 9 were good.

4, 5, and 8 were really uninteresting.

>>151772839
http://www.someanithing.com/5968

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>>151772899
>5 and 8
How is it possible to have taste this bad?

1-13 were great, the rest was hit 0/10 AOTY confirmed

>>151772899
What are you on about?
5 was great

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>>151772993
>0/10

>>151772925
>random ass stalker blogger

yeah this about as much bait as the crunchyroll article
probably more so since fewer people would ever give a shit

>>151772899
>6
>good
m-muh alzheimers, le who are you, pls care for these literal who characters with less than 20 lines in total

I think pop's world was the only episode I wasn't totally absorbed with, but it was still alright.
They should've had sugar tits and four eyes doing more in the story from the outset, or interacting with other characters more, but you can only do so much in 13 episodes.

>>151772935
>>151772998

I didn't like it. It felt like a by the numbers, monster of the week magical girl show.

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>>151772925
It's almost upsetting when there are legitimately people browsing this board who are so poor at communicating, so utterly bereft of an original thought or idea to contribute, that they would shamelessly copy-paste from blogs just to have something to put into the comment field of an OP.

Do we just have an epidemic of ESLs? Of Jungle-asians and hispanics that aren't yet confident enough in their english to put together more than a single sentence without falling back to spouting memes just in order to feel like they've contributed? Or is this just the level of the average /a/ user now, that they can't think or articulate for themselves so they just regurgitate, word for word, what opinion and diction is being peddled by their favourite cult of personality at the moment? Did this post just tumble down through OPs twitter and he figured a post on 4chan is as good as a reblog?

This is what is considered acceptable on /a/ now. Congratulations Flip Flappers, you've become a general.

>>151773089

And it did a better job of making me care about that character than the entire rest of the show did about the main characters.

>>151773110
5 is extremely well-directed and well-executed. We also got to learn a very important thing about PI, it influences you.

8 was Cocona's character arc coming to a head and also great fun.

Easily the worst anime ever but also the best.

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>>151773045
Haha! i was only pretending to be retarded!

>>151771124
>moist eyes became tears
>then crying
>then sobbing
>then fapping

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>>151773217
You mean "flapping," right?

>>151773368
I only have one flappable thing to flip, sadly.
Flipper's with flaps don't know how good they have it.

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What's her surname /a/?

>>151773935
Kokomine

>>151773935
Kokomine

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>>151773969
>>151773972
Yorokobe, shoujo

>>151773935
Papika would think for less than one second before agreeing to adopting Cocona's family name when marrying her.

>>151775038
Kokomine Papika does have a nice ring to it.

I wonder what they would name their miracle offspring.

>>151775133
Girl = Nana
Boy = Paco

>>151775391
Dammit i meant Kana

>>151772925
He has a good taste though.
http://www.someanithing.com/1763

>>151775133
The question is how. They probly have to rely on the help of Frued to enter a PI where Papika can plausibly impregnate Cocona. Kind of hard to imagine without involving heterosexual phallic imagery.

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Flip Flip!

does anyone have the psych reading recommendations that jung-sensei posted several threads ago?

>>151776168
-Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious
-Psychology and Alchemy
-The Man and His Symbols

and the red book

Cocona best girl

>>151776198
arigatou

>>151772012
A job that they really hate and only stays at so they can throw money at animu.

>>151771124
Can anyone explain to me this anime without spoiling the plot? my internet is dead slow (currently) and if I'm interested I'll go watch it now.

>>151776387
Weekly LSD trip.

>>151776198
This is why some f/a/gs trash this series. They're too retarded to understand these concepts. That's fair though. It's easier to consume moeshit than avant-garde mindfuck.

>>151776387
The Space Dandy of Evangelion, the FLCL of Madoka, a Jungian avant-garde post-modern helter-skelter aggregation of, more or less, discordant phantasmagorical acid trips laced with yuri fanservice in which all current partaking female's breasts are no larger than A cups.

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>>151776408
>this entire post
Please be bait.

>>151776387
Coming-of-age story encased in sci-fantasy adventures and a plot that creeps up on you, also the MC is gay.

>>151776387
Girls get transported to Wonderland to get the Chaos Emeralds before the KKK does

>>151776463
>also the MC is gay
Cocona and Papika are just good friends.

>>151776387
Trash beyond episode 9.

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>>151776387
Lesbian adventures in Jungian psychology.
It's mostly episodic, with plot themes that get developed in the background throughout and then take the front stage in the last 4 episodes. The adventure-of-the-week generally draw from lots of different genres and styles, so you end up with strangely anachronistic things like Mad Max crossed with Precure or a gothic horror marimite.

The director's style is unique and the show has a lot of attention to detail and uses a lot of interesting imagery while also being straightforward fun. You can also expect roughly two new wallpapers per episode.

>>151776271
I'm not the original Jung-sensei you referred to, but I'd recommend you also read some stuff about neuroscience. It's not that I think you need to have something to "balance" things out, it's that he's incredibly mystical, when most of the stuff that he's describing can be very congruent modern science in a way most scientists are very reluctant to accept (mostly because of his unrepentant mysticism).

Also, if you go full-on shaman with this shit, and hang on absolutely everything he said, you won't realize his true value. His shit really does describe a lot of the ways in which people actually behave and think, but when you get bored of it you'll just abandon the whole enterprise. Jung was observing actual humans and actual brains-- it makes perfect sense that he'd stumble onto some useful information, if even by accident, and encoded under a thick haze of opioid dreams.

Sorry I don't have books, videos or articles to recommend offhand, but anything about brain-lateralization, decision making, and sense of self would be extremely helpful.

Unless of course you just want to get into Jung as a hipsterish pseudoreligious thing in which case I'm cool with that, go for it. Religion is as natural a human behavior as fucking.

>>151773144
8 was Yayaka's commital to being tsundere for the CocoPaps.

She literally had to choose to either save or leave CocoPaps to the grinder in front of Toto and Yuyu.

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the last 3 episodes were retarded

>>151773137
Where is this pasta from?

>>151776687
>implying 11 was not the best episode

Episode 13 was shit because Writer 1 returned to shit the bed one last time

>>151776687
*4

>>151776596
At this stage, philosphy of mind is more important to understand than neuroscience as a layman.

Neuroscience as a field has very little, and does very little. The methodology is still extremely limiting and the field is very young. It's the single most important field to advance our understanding of the human mind, but it hasn't gone far enough yet to the point where a non-research has much to gain from learning where we are at this point, except to understand that we aren't really very far.

This is part of why stuff like Jung has been around for so long, and will continue to endure for so long. They didn't use scientific method, and practically made shit up. But, just like cold reading, it SOUNDS right. It gives you categories and formalism to apply to the world and lets you see and interpret things through that lens. When you do that, everything seems right because you're looking at it with a perspective that tends to assume an affirmative conclusion. This is why looking at the rough and incomplete picture neuroscience is still working on can appear deceptively congruent to the mysticism of cultish pseudo-science philosophers from the early enlightenment era.

It's like cold reading, and it's stood the test of time because there hasn't been much progress in the actual scientific fields of brain and mind to finally put it to rest. It's pop psychology, and cult psychology.

Philosophy of mind is a useful field of study because one if its primary focuses is on addressing the logic underpinning the premises and conclusions that various thinkers have advanced about the human mind. Understanding why it can be tempting to believe totally unsubstantiated bullshit, and how you can address the issues in their way of seeing things.

I've said this before, but applying Freud or Jung to the real world is bunk. Their ideas are useful in the realm of literary critique, but not for gaining insight or understanding into the minds of actual humans.

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>>151776401
>>151776418
>>151776467
>>151776487
>>151776566
thanks for the (You)s
>junguan archetypes
fo real? someone accidentally my concept

I'll try to watch it

Just for shitposting. I find the translator-kun stopped translating by the end of ep 8. Those are some good memories.
http://solitarybee.hatenablog.com/

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It was a genuinely good and enjoyable series, my favorite anime of the season. A lot of people didn't pay attention while watching it, assuming it would be generic moeshit, and they lost a lot of value the show had to offer.

>>151776944
I'd also suggest looking up recent research on cognitive biases. Not only is it useful research into human behaviour, but it also sheds a bit of light on why the ramblings of bearded madmen can be so tempting for people to buy into as unapologeticly as so many of them have done for so many years.

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>>151776944
not that anon but I find the 4 temperaments really useful
also link related: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirsey_Temperament_Sorter#Historical_development

>>151776138
Holy hell it took me a long time to realize that was iro!

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>>151776467
>Chaos Emeralds
I think you are on to something here.

>>151777112
This is bait right?

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is orange hair a semen demon? didn't watch

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Episode
3,6 masterpiece
1,2,4,5 very good
7,8 good
9,10,11,13 normal
12 bad = =
Everything remarkable in this anime, 綾奈ゆにこ (write the script for episode 1,2,3,5,6)is the women to thank ~o(*￣▽￣*)ブ

>>151777460
No, she's a dyke

>>151777475
Bump 5 up a tier and 9 two tiers, then you're good.

>>151777344
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>>151777344
Delete this

>shit shatters

>>151777475
>A woman wrote all the lul so randum episodes

Everything makes sense now

>>151777475
Yuniko was involved in the planning for the entire series along with Oshiyama, the 2nd major writer was only brought in to actually write scripts because they were behind schedule. It wouldn't have been exceptionally different in terms of plot either way. Perhaps the actual presentation may have been slightly different but we still would have had the same ending happen and plot episodes happening.

>>151777637
I find that surprising considering the amount of actual dialogue in a given episode. It's not a terrible talk-heavy show.

>>151776944
>but not for gaining insight or understanding into the minds of actual humans.
oh. that was pretty much my entire reason for asking for that reading material.

without getting too blog-shitty i thought reading some of the concepts Jung explores would help me better understand myself and some mental issues I need to address. i guess i shouldn't look to Jung for that.

>>151777046
>cognitive bias research
>>151776596
>brain-lateralization, decision making, and sense of self

i'm beginning to understand why people spend close to a decade becoming licensed for professional work in this field. maybe i should just go see a psychiatrist.

My top 5 shows of 2016:
1. Rakugo
2. Mob Psycho
3. Flip Flappers
4. Fune wo Amu
5. Hibike 2

Notice the main characters are all insecure autists? Really makes you think.

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Holy shit, what happened to the budget? Every single episode before this looked amazing but the finale looks this potato?

I watched Ping Pong Girls all at once after voting ended and I have to say it's far and away AOTS.

>>151777838
Webgen and mob animator were a mistake.

>>151777667
Maybe Yuniko is slow, was busy with something else at the time, or the producers of the show wanted changes made to the later scripts that she didn't want to do or wasn't able to do. Like switching episode 8 from zombie episode (her original idea for it) to mecha episode but I think that Oshiyama wanted that anyway because he said in an interview that he wanted a mecha episode from the beginning.

>>151777838
Nothing happened to the budget. The productions schedule fell apart as it reached the end with some of the animators working 24hrs straight the day before the final episode aired to get it done in time. It will likely be improved on the BD release.

>>151776944
Philosophy of mind is good, it poses the right questions, but philosophy as a subject seems lull people into a kind of complacency about the usefulness of their own deductive ability.

>applying .. Jung to the real world is bunk
No. I think you're wrong about that. There is a lot to Jung, at least in his understanding of how people think, that has value.

The problem is that the entire field at this point defies the scientific method so until we can untangle how all those the neurons fit together, we will have to take what we can get.

You are guilty of another kind of cognitive bias, of dismissing hypotheses just because it can't be fit into a certain process of discovery. Even though the scientific method has proven extremely reliable, it's not applicable here (yet).

Jung might have been formulating a delusion together with his patients and research subjects, but spending that much time in a pure mental world, refining your understanding of it could reasonably be expected to make your masturbatory mental model take at least part of the shape of the mind's underlying nature.

>>151777046
This is definitely HUGE, I'd recommend reading about this shit even if you're not interested in Jung at all.

Jung's view of humanity is that your mind is constantly doing things outside of your knowledge, and making you feel and believe things without really knowing why... or even worse, thinking you know why when you really don't. That alone gives Jung tremendous value. Knowing about your propensity for cognitive bias is probably even more valuable, if only because it's more believable to laymen.

You see, fish swim, dogs bark, and humans lie to themselves, constantly, and without even knowing they're doing it.

Even if you decide Jung is bunk, definitely, DEFINITELY read as much as you can about cognitive bias, every time you see an article about it, eat that shit up. You'll learn that you, me, OP, every faggot in the world is so fallible it defies credibility.

Imagine how different Flip Flappers would have been if it had stayed a Space Opera.

>>151777680
The good part of Jung is that he speaks the language which the mind uses, and that's emotions. Emotions are great for motivating yourself to reach some goal.

Definitely take a critical view of what you're doing. You should probably set a specific time for it every day, when you can think through where you're going, what it is you really want, and try, as best you can, to seek out and eliminate your own biases. You won't get anywhere if you spend your entire life refusing to act on emotion, because you simply aren't wired to behave that way.

(even better than reading any specific subject for improving your mental state is getting out and exercising, and finding fun things to entertain yourself, and especially, GET SOCIAL CONTACTS.)

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Is that you, Homura?

>>151778007
nonexistent because if the producers say not then it's not getting made

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>>151771124
Apologies for not posting a cute anime girl, however this image is the closest I could find to display my face when reading this ridiculous post.

>>151778058
Imagine is the keyword there anon. It said the main characters were still planned as two girls.

>>151777680
Psychiatry as a field has been in this awkward position for much of a century where it's been used as a medical field, to treat what is ostensibly real illnesses and problems in the world, but itself isn't actually a scientific or medical field.

Part of the reason licensing takes so long is because the expectations of a practioner are similar to that of a professional doctor. Actually understanding the body of works that constitute psychology is not a particularly herculean task, but demonstrating that you understand them holistically well enough to be entrusted with public health is a different matter.

Most of that is charlatanism anyways. The world has been suddenly and very quickly catching on over the past decade to the fact that psychology is not, in fact, a medical field. They've enjoyed a long-standing position as hierophants claiming to know the answers to all the mind's questions even though they've never been much more than dependency predators. The double-edged sword, of course, is that the modern middle-class mother looking for easy answers just gets their kid a prescription to ritalin or a dangerous series of anti-depressants instead of sending them to a witch doctor with a comfy leather chair. I've heard from former colleagues and from professors I've stayed in touch with since graduating and apparently there's a growing disavowal of the whole field in the realm of academics and university administrations are looking to pare down or totally eliminate their psych faculties.

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>>151776963
I actually liked the other transformations more.

>>151778378
I think they were supposed to look really pretty but they were totally potato'd.

>>151776387
Imagine Phantom World, but instead of appealing characters you get two girls in their periods.

>>151777896
>being one of the 10 guys in the world that brought the BDs
I respect you.

>>151778455
Imagine phantom world but good enough to be /a/'s AOTY.

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>>151778455
>Phantom World
>appealing characters

>>151777938
>philosophy as a subject seems lull people into a kind of complacency about the usefulness of their own deductive ability.
I... what?

You're actually in the field of psychoanalysis, aren't you? I had a prof back in 3rd year who spoke like you, and she had a lot of similar ideas about the transcendental nature of just making shit up about the human mind that kinda sounded right because just thinking really hard and being really smart was apparently supposed to be good enough. I wish I could remember her name, apparently she'd published a lot of work in the field. Was a big fan of Cixous, too.

>>151778517
>big titted blonde
>short haired tsundere
>long haired yuribait
>generic perv MC
>RURURARURAURUAURAU
>pedobait
I can't even think in a proper insult for you.

why are yurifags so fucking insufferable? why do they think their favourite shows are the shakespeare of anime?

>>151778591
if your argument is that Flip Flappers is not haremshit with pretensions, we are in full agreement.

psueds fuck off back to /his/

>>151777687
My top 5 reasons your list is shit
1. No one asked
2. No one cares
3. You list has no bearing on anything
4. Your opinion has no value
5. Shut the fuck up, adults are talking

>>151776387
isekai

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So what were your favorite episodes?

I personally liked 5 and 3 the most

>>151778327
>Most of that is charlatanism anyways
man that's pretty worrisome and partially why I haven't gone to a metal health professional yet. I wanted to learn something about the field prior to potentially accepting their proclamations wholesale as gospel because it's simply out of my depth.

brains are weird and it's upsetting that we struggle to understand them.

>>151778852
1, 4 and 7 are my personal favorites. 4 and 7 seem to not be as liked as much for some reason but since they focus on the characters more than anything I love them.

>>151778852
5,9 and 11 for me, 3 gets an honorable mention and 12 was the weakest but still thoroughly enjoyable.

>>151777344
Does this mean that all of Sonic the hedgehog games take place in the bad ending where Mimi's vagina eats everything?

>>151778973
Also Uexkull was Sonic's original template.

>>151778876
The main obstacle to understanding the human brain is that it's hard to study.

Behavioral studies are difficult to do scientifically since they often influence the subject by necessity, colouring the results. You also risk violating ethical principles and working in ethical frameworks severely limits what you can subject your test subjects to and consequently what you can learn from them.

It's also difficult to study a living brain directly since you can't just crack open the skill and jam instruments in there. There's only so much you can learn from a dead brain, and modern technology only gives us so many ways to study a live one without causing victimizing the owner.

Some of the recent advancements in our understanding of neuroplasticity are huge step forward but it's an ongoing process.

People may have already talked about this, but if so I missed it. In episode 7, Hidaka explains that each PI is a reflection of interpersonal relationships. It's actually only deep PI that reflects an individual person's psyche. Some of them are pretty easy to figure out. Episodes 1 and 5 are reflective of Cocona and Papika's current relationship status, episode 2 is Cocona's relationship with Uexkull, episode 8 is about Hidaka and Bu-chan, and episode 9 is Yayaka's relationship with the KKK. The ones I'm not so sure about are episodes 3, 7, and the two PIs that were skipped over in between episodes 2 and 3.

Episode 3 might be Sayuri and Salt's relationship, since she had a Mad Max poster in her apartment, but the other three I'm not sure about. 7 could be the twins' relationship with the town? I don't know. Ideas?

>>151778852
2, 9 and 11 are by far my favorites

>>151778852
1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13

>>151779214
Note that "subject interrelationships" are not the same thing as "interpersonal relationships"
For one, the former is much broader and more general, and refers to everything which affects the subject. For example a PI based on a specific individual's subjective reality would also reflect the things which that subject experiences through their subjective lens.

So, an individual's PI would necessarily contain representations of things present within their perception. If a person goes to school every day, their PI would necessarily depict a representation of that school. It doesn't mean the PI is shared between the individual and the school, but that the individual's PI reflects the subject interrelationship between the individual and the school through the subjective lens of the individual as they experience the school.

In other words, PIs correspond to individuals but are a representation of the external factors which influence those individuals as much as they are of the personal elements to that person's psyche. A PI doesn't necessarily have to be a single person's PI but there's also no reason to assume a PI is anything but an individual's unconscious representation of subjective reality.

I suppose the easiest way to tl;dr this is that the "real world" PI at the end of the final episode had representations of Sayuri, Bu-chan, Hidaka, Uexkull and Yayaka in it. But these were not the real Sayuri et al, those were already back in the real world. They were fictitious representations of those characters created by the PI itself, because the PI was depicting the subject interrelationships of its owner, which included all of the people that existed as major daily fixtures in their life.

>>151771320
No real tension or danger.

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Cute Nyunyu.

>>151779888
>yayaka's loli harem

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>>151779888
What was the point of her again?

>>151771124
Is this some kind of pasta?

>>151771192
>everything else in 2016 was utter shit since Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan is AOTY.
ftfy

>>151780044
Yes. Google it, it's taken from some blog.

>>151780075
But FlipFlap is confirmed AOTY already

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I'm gonna miss this show. I hope futanon still continues making more flip flap stuff.

>>151780165
>comfirmed flop
FTFY

>>151771124
FF fanbase beats Re:Zero for being most cancerous of the year.

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>>151778852
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13.

>>151780039
Chekhov's cute.

Salt was kind of a salty douchebag. Why would he blame Mimi for what happened to his father? His father is the one who pioneered the project, and he was working on the team himself, Mimi did nothing wrong. But oh, when he finds out that she had his child suddenly all of that is okay?

>>151771340
>>151771527
>>151771593
>>151771609
>>151772049
btw, just so you know, i made all these posts

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Now that it's all over, what am I supposed to do with my life?

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Someone ask the director about AB-chan for fuck's sake.

>>151776408
> avant-garde mindfuck.

What show are you talking about? This thread is about Flip Flappers.

>>151780555
She's dead, Jim.

>>151780631
Papika is clearly alive.

>>151776387

Otaku-bait for the D E E P crowd

>>151780666
I'm talking about AB-chan you dolt.

>>151780418
but SEIZE HER was one of the highlights of the show. It's the exact moment when Cocona realizes she's lost everything she's ever known. It's supreme catharsis.

>>151780712
No need to make things complicated. Papika already has a name.

>>151780521
You'd be a salty douchebag too if you basically lost your dad to complete insanity thanks to a weird experiment. He was in grief. It's natural for people in grief to want to distance themselves from those directly related to the cause of grief. It wasn't Mimi and Papikana's fault that they broke his dad, but they did break his dad. It was an accident and they couldn't have possibly known the risks or the implications of their actions, but Salt now has to live with the consequences.

He was hurt, and the fact that she had hurt him hurt Mimi. That's part of what made the scene by the lake tragic

>>151780722
The full-scale visual breakdown in that moment was amazing. I wish more shows did stuff like that.

OST when

I dont understand how shows like this get made, the animation is top notch but everything else is empty, meaningless gestures about nothing, humanity simplified into commonplace actions

'having the form of godliness, but denying it's power' as it's written

it makes me think there's something fundamentally wrong with the japanese, and I prefer it when they stick to giant robots and technological power fantasies, it's much closer to reality, and more appropriate for them as a people

>>151780729
What's her surname then?

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Try saying 'papika kakipa' five times fast.

>>151780815
I was high the first time I saw it so it was an electrifying experience.

>>151781024
delete this

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>>151781024
Try saying Papika Kokomine I take you to be my lawfully wedded wife

>>151781065
I do

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>story was a fucking mess
>they never kiss
I can't tell whether I loved it or hated it.

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>>151781084
If you can manage to do both it'll help you savor the experience.

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>>151780521
>Salt was kind of a salty douchebag. Why would he blame Mimi for what happened to his father?
This was definitely one of the mistakes he apologised for.

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Pops was the best character

>>151781218
I wish his seiyuu got more hammy supporting character roles instead of being typecast as bland harem MCs

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>>151781218
That's because he's the only one you don't have to strain your brain to make sense of.

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While I'm at it, what was the point of pic-related, again?

>>151781375
I bet it's Troid and his gangs.

>>151776954
The exact moment when shitposting went out of the control

>>151781393
Explaing deeper PI, making Cocona conscious about going into PI and affecting other people.

>>151781393
She illustrated the mechanics of PI which were extremely important later in the series. Her character arc explained these mechanics by showing them to the viewer and how they worked through a self-contained story that was engaging and compelling in its own right while also establishing these important details later down the line.

She also served as one of the things grounding Cocona in the real world, and feeling that connection threatened helped to outline how Cocona's fear of change was pathological and advance the drama based around it.

Iroha's character actually did a lot. It's just a shame that she stopped doing things as soon as episode 6 was over

>>151781457
>>151781491
>cocona fucks her over
>character never gets addressed again

Is this what they call "good" characterization? Seems like a fair amount of the characters in this series are basically asspulls for plot development.

>>151781539

Cocona was scared to see Iro's chance go she doesn't go and see her again. You do see Iro at the end of the series.

>>151781539
Her characterization is done by exploring her mind from inside out and the audience has to make up for it himself.

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Do you have any favorites of the joke PVs? Mine is the one of episode 5, because of Coconas scarred squealing noises.

>>151777460

She's a gay retard.

>>151781949
The one with Bu-chan and Uexkull. Some people thought that it's not Uexkull, but Nyunyu or (even better) Yayaka after the surgery

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How do I cope with the emptiness, /a/? I feel like this show left a void in my heart and I don't know what to do.

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>>151782406
I don't know, man

>>151782406
Spend some quality time with friends and family.

>>151782593
>friends
>family

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>>151782593
Your friends refuse to watch Flip Flappers

>>151782612
Then with gf

>>151782641
HAHAHAHA

>>151782639
Meant to put a >tfw there

>>151782735
I would watch Flip Flappers with you anon

>>151782639
You have to set the right mood. Invite them to a hotel room, dress up in lingerie and talk about your feelings for each other first.

>>151782639
That's besides the point. Just socialising with people helps to prevent depression after a traumatic loss.

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>>151772925
>>151775569

He is such a biased yurifag that's it not even funny.

>>151782994
Yes. Truly a gentleman of fine taste.

>>151782994
He's like a more loaded version of me, it's quite charming.

This show could have really used a second season, then maybe the ending could have been done better.

>>151783129
I rather not have to consume diluted mediocrity just to appease a very few watchers.

getting through this trash was the biggest struggle of my life

>>151783480
Getting through your post was the biggest struggle of mine.

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>>151782406
All you can do is wait for another show to fill the void. The last time I had to deal with this was when Cross Ange finished airing.

>>151782406
I plan on watching some backlog shows that it reminded me of.

>>151771124
Is this pasta?

>>151771124
>This show is a masterpiece

The only parts of this that I can say I really enjoyed were when the animators got to really cut loose and be weird, in particular, the sci fi episode early on. The story was hot garbage on a cracker with the characters to match. The real kicker was that one character who had her own stealth episode about a ridiculously romantisized version of senility, who was then forgotten, yet still kicked off another big angstfest, all leading to nothing but the reveal that the cult's quest was for ultimate power… just before the cult was unceremoniously wiped out by the real antagonist. Everything about the cult and its indistinct, dumbass non-plan may as well have not existed and nothing but a minute or two of forboding from each episode would've been missing.

As for the cast, from start to finish, it was just one character incessantly shrieking about how much she cared about the other while the other suffered constant bouts of self-doubt about whether or not the former really cared that much about her. There was no growth on anybody's part. There was no character arc to be found. Just yelling about friendship. And yet, the side characters had it even worse. Some were introduced to great fanfare only to end up being barely even props, others ate up absurd amounts of screentime and ended up being nothing but tools for delivering exposition or deus ex machinas for resolving things so the protagonists can keep their hands clean… and dwell in their pure illusion of adolescence forever. Ha. Now that might've been a damn appropriate ending and an actual coming of age affair. Too bad the writers decided to glorify childishness selfishness and pettiness instead, leaving us with immature, dickwads for characters… but at least they're friiiiiiends.

>>151783850
>cocona's mine
>no, cocona's mine
>fighting ensues

Were the shards Mimi?

>>151783882
no it was MacGuffin

Salt stole PV again

>>151784001
It's over. Let go.

>>151784014
Now cracks a noble heart. Good-night, sweet Papika; And flights of Cocona's sing thee to thy rest.

>>151776198
>>151776408
how exactly are those portrayed in the show, then?

>>151783810
Yeah, from the blog of a guy who apparently bought 10 copies of each BD.

>>151783975
You're going to ge get ma guff in your face.

>>151772310
dont listen to the retards saying that you should stop watching after the first half of the anime

>>151775640
>how
Cockona

>>151784208
Source? Didn't it sell worse than Fractale?

>>151784748
This shows BDs haven't even gone on sale yet. In terms of preorders looks to sell around 1.5-2k so low average performance nothing especially bad.

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>>151784804
So maybe it'll be not as high as a Flip or as low as a flop. Indeed the sales look like they may Flap.

>>151784849
/a/ calls anything a flop that doesn't make like 5k+ even though only three or four anime a season go over that.

>>151784191
Did you even watch the show?
Are you blind?

>>151784925
>Are you blind?
yes ;_;

>>151771124
>/a/'s AOTY

lmaoo

>>151784970
I admit I don't know every possible theory/concept in the series, but there are some overt ones which are implied some of the elements present.
>Uexküll from Jakob von Uexküll, and concepts about Umwelt (PI as the subejct's worldview)
>Freud and the trinity of the Id, Ego, and Superego--being Papika, Cocona and Yayaka respectively
>Jung and the Collective Unconcious, which makes others being able to interact with a PI together and create a 'ripple effect' of changes, as what happened to Iroha
>Hyperart Thomassons, mentioned by Salt later in the series. As concepts, they are present all around, for example, the fence and lamp posts on the snow on episode 1, and NyuNyu became (being a chekov's gun, who also fired a literal chekov's gun which became useless, which in turn became a thomasson too).
I could give more, but I just want to prove the presence of those concepts in the series.

Where's the PV?

Flifla was great until the plot kicked in

>>151786424
something something PVs don't exist
QED

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Saw this on a /v/ thread and I remembered Flip Flappers

>>151787370
I don't really understand but that looks cute

>>151787370
I can only guess that Cocona told her not to barge in on her naked and Papika responded that she already saw her naked a bunch of times when she was a toddler.

>>151787370
I will never get tired of anything with Papicake and baby Cocona in it.

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>>151787763

>>151787869
In a weird way, Papika loving Cocona since she was born is even more pure and adorable since it's practically agape at this point.

Eros comes later when puberty slams into Papika like a goddamn truck.

>>151787763
>Papicake

>>151788045
She aged terribly for a 19yo. Unlike Mimi.

>>151781393
To be Yayaka's girlfriend.

I like how 'lol pure illusion did it' is the explanation for anything that doesn't actually make sense.

>>151788118
But can it explain Another Bust?

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>>151788112
Urusai

>>151788183
Yuyu has Toto and Nyunyu. She shouldn't be so possessive.

>>151788081
I think there is this unwritten law in anime that if you become a mother, you'll retain your beauty even into your 40s, but if you become a Christmas cake your beauty will soon be gone.

Papika is an exception to this rule though.

>>151787370
>P:"Cocona, let's take a bath together"
>C:"Wahhhhhhhh!!"

>C:"I don't want to!"
>P:"Ehh, why?"
>C:"It's embarrassing to let someone else see you naked!"

>P: "Ah, if it's just for that reason there's no problem"
>"I've already seen Cocona naked before"
>C: "Eh!?"

>P:"I used to change your diapers"

>(door slams)

>>151788221
But incest is wrong and that Yayakass is lonely

>>151788260
Cocona will make Papika a mother.

>>151788335
Cool anon that was fast

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>we'll never get an OVA of Cocona and Papika having lusty lesbian sex for 45 minutes

Just kill me now.

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AGGGH! Why do anime girls do this.

>>151788335
CUTE, thanks anon

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>>151788335
Since I have nothing else to do

>>151788646
I hope Papika never cuts her hair again

>>151788662
Nice. I was about to do this too.

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>>151788662
Thank you.

>>151788603
It looks like someone walked in on them again. Are interruptions during their lesbian fun times a theme for Cocona's teen life?

>>151782735
It's better without it

>>151788740
With Yayaka, Yuyu, Nyunyu, Iro, and Sayuri around, yes the chances are high for frequent interruptions.
Then there is Mimi who is no longer even corporeal anymore and could be anywhere.

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>>151788740

It's probably her. She's gonna give them a lecture about safe sex.

>>151788884
>clip your nails!

>>151787370
Is this Chinese with the character names written in Katakana?

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>>151788884
>Papika, your nails aren't even trimmed. And why aren't you two wearing the cute outfits I laid out for you? Do they not fit?

>>151788977
Looks like it. Their names in the show are only ever written like that.

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Shit, now I remember what Mimi reminded me of.

https://twitter.com/somekindofthing/status/816317658824110081

Watching the Someanithing guy's twitter and finding out in real time whether Flip Flappers sells well will easily be the most exciting thing I do for the next ten days.

>>151789708
It will sell 1.5~2k according to stalker

>>151789708
Is he ok?
http://imgur.com/a/FqyfB

>>151789919
So this is the power of a/u/tismbux... Not bad...

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>>151788335
Could you translate that too?

Did Flip Flappers save /a/? As it is /a/'s aoty does that mean /a/ finally has good taste?

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>>151789919
>All this on a generic boring Yuri show.
What the fuck.

>>151789919
He said he bought 10 copies of every volume of Flip Flappers.

>>151789919
The ultimate yurifag?

>>151790169
Re:Zero was second place. No need to say more.

>>151790169
It just mean's that it's become more visible, just for it to be used for shitposting from now on.

>>151790230
That was a different guy. The one that wrote OP's pasta.

>>151790312
That's the same guy he runs the someanithing website. Look at the twitter username.

>>151790132
The black bar says "censored"

>?
>It's not tasty
>Cocona's so strange

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So what the fuck happened? They were in PI all along? If so, what the fuck were Yayaka and the Professor talking about not being able to go to PI?

>>151790354
This guy is insane.

>When looking back to 2016, which are the most memorable events you have experienced?
>WATCH FLIP FLAPPERS

>>151790532
Not Sayuri and Not Hidaka were just PI inhabitants. Just like the Papikas in ep 7.

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>>151790532
You can figure this out on your own, anon. I believe in you.

>tfw you watched the objective aoty from the very start
So, guys, official dakis when?

>>151790532
Salt created that PI between the real world and Mimi's PI using the ELPIS. Everyone else went back from Mimi's PI all the way to the real world, but since Cocona broke Papika's bubble as she was being sent away, she fell into Salt's PI instead. The other characters were just the PI defense system (except for Papika who was real when she arrived), they were actually in the real world monitoring that PI/doing their own thing waiting for Cocona and Papika to get out like you see at the end.

>>151790762
2deep4me.

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>>151790743
Never. They couldn't care less

>>151790743
>objective aoty
That will never exist.

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>>151790762
wat

>>151790132
I'd never really pictured Cocona as a biter but now that I see it, it really does seem to fit.

>>151791046
>>151791683
It kinda makes more sense to assume that it was the real world afterall.

>>151791789
No, it doesn't.

>>151791683
What's difficult to understand about that? Salt says he's going to create one more layer of PI and that's what he does. You outright see the rest when Cocona flashes back to breaking the bubble upon meeting Papika and the two of them fly away from that PI and appear in the real world through the usual black portal.

>>151791789
It's not the Flip Flappers real world in any sense. You can argue over if it is our real world though.

>>151791864
That would mean that Mimi is alive in our world and PI but not the Flip Flap world, or that we're just another Pure Illusion

>>151791046
>>151791683
>>151791789
Is this a new meme? It's really not that difficult to understand if you paid attention.

>>151791922
I think that was supposed to be the point of that bit, the idea that we live in a dull world is just another illusion as much as any of those other fucked up worlds they visited and there is fun and beauty to be had in this world if you look for it.

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>>151791819
Alright.

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>>151791789
All I've gathered is that Salt and Cocona made PI the real world or blended them together.

>>151791942
It's kind of difficult to pay attention when you watch while insanely high.

>>151791922
There's three worlds?

>>151792000
Don't do that, then.

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>>151792033
Drug things are fun though

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I actually can't belive the shit I read in this thread. How fucking tryhard can you be to try to make this show meaningful? The creators were high when they made this. They just animated a punch of weird looking stuff and thought of a story in like 2 days. The second half and the villians were laughable bad. Especially the last 3 Episodes were they remembered that they actually had to bring in some kind of plot and still forgot to resolve tons of things they mentioned earlier in the Show. Liking this show is fine but trying to force some deep meaning in this mess is not.

>>151792089
Then try different drugs. Acid should synergize well with FliFla.

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>>151791991
>>151792000
>>151792003
Holy shit, guys.

The final fight took place inside Pure Illusion. After it was falling apart, islands were floating everywhere and Mimi was defeated, Papika meant to seal Cocona in a bubble and send her out of Pure Illusion back into their real world. Cocona was having none of that and sliced Papika's bubble apart, but by then she was already too far and probably fell into that new layer Salt created.

That new layer looked like a dull version of Cocona's real world and every inhabitant was making it seem as if the Mimi incident had already happened a while ago and they had been trying to re-enter Pure Illusion unsuccessfully ever since. When Cocona went to that pipe and Papika emerged, they transformed, flew away and finally left PI together back into their real world.

>>151792281
It's too difficult for Amerifats on drugs apparently.

>>151792143
You just don't understand

>>151792281
The only supporting argument for it being Salts PI I see is him not being there, aside from that there isn't much else. What we saw in the fight against Mimi was him disrupting the world she created, that's it.

>>151792436
I agree, that there's not much evidence for it being Salt's creation, but I don't see how his comment about creating another layer could be relevant in any other way.

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>>151791129

Infinite made a lot of Sorameso dakis a year after it finished, don't lose hope yet. (but apparently its merch sold really well, which isn't the case with FliFla because there's no merch in the first place).

>>151792491
There is a lot of evidence (gray world, butterflies)

>>151792436
>>151792491
Mimi's PI turned to the same dark color scheme when he appeared.

>>151792578
Also butterflies.