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What is the biggest problem with the NGE sequel films? Leaving aside the fact they are complete rehashes, why do they never even reach a single aspect of the originals in quality or memorability?
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>>151766058
Not enough of best girl Mari!
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Mari is really hot I want to hug her
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Because Eva was a product of the 90s from the beginning to the end. It feels out-of-place now. Everything changed
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>>151766058
Eva without Eva. It's fanfiction.
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>>151766058
Mari character is the problem.

The idea of a new character was brought up to Anno by two animators, he gave the go ahead on creating the character.

But instead of creating a new character, they just rehashed elements of other characters into her.
piloting Asuka's unit 2,
Rei's injuries,
Misato's mother-figureness,
Kaji's spy element,
Kaworu's impact/betrayal,
Yui's knowledge of Eva

Thing is, after creating this character in early production, before the story was written, Anno made the script similar to what we have now.
Mari's Frankenstein elements from the other characters was dropped, but they did not bother reintegrating the elements back to the respective characters,(its why they all feel soo shallow)

So we got 2.0
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the earlier drafts are more compelling than the actual movies.
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>>151766058
Because they're movies and thus don't have the length to develop the characters as much as the anime does.

And before anybody points out End of Evangelion, i consider that to be a long episode of the anime to ... well, end the show, hence the name.

I liked rebuild 1.0 though. It was more in depth version of episodes 5 and 6 and if you look at it that way, its a good movie.

2.0s flaws was as this anon mentioned
>>151767587
they made mari using parts of the other characters and thus made people more hollow in that movie. Best part about it was rei coming with the rocket to help mari. Even though she failed, it was the most emotional part and thus my favorite of the movie. Which isn't saying much desu.

3.0 was alright imo but seemed rushed in the plot. Like some things were left too unexplained to enjoy properly. I understood the movie, but it needed more "fleshing out" if that makes sense.
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>>151768341
> it was the most emotional part
you were easily emotionally invested in the movie.
were you a fan of NGE and had your investment spilled over to your rebuild experience?
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>>151768466
>were you a fan of NGE and had your investment spilled over to your rebuild experience?

I guess you could say that. Im not the most extreme sperg when it comes to canon so the faluts in the rebuilds were not an absolute put off for me so I could enjoy the films.
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>>151767587
Mari is the symptom rather than the disease. Mari is not important enough to be the disease, she's the symbol of the real problem, Anno trying to make his personal work into a multi-entry franchise what means erasing all the elements the audience never cared or openly hate in favor of the stuff they love like big explosions and waifus
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>>151768675
Do you know about the original story for 2.0?

Originally Mari was going to be introduced by piloting Eva-2 at sea fighting an angel on battleships, Mari/Kaji are both introduced to the cast while Asuka arrives later by plane, both Mari and Asuka pilot Unit-2 with Asuka being its designated pilot , referring to Mari as her "support fire"(later used in 3.0)
Eventually Mari with a higher sync ratio with Unit-2 than Asuka becomes its main pilot during the 9th angel attack, leaving Asuka devastated not piloting Eva (NGE style) Asuka then jumps at the chance to pilot unit-3.(o_o)
Mari talks with all the pilots, goes to the school, Convinces Shinji (face to face) to pilot Unit-1 during the 10th angel attack at the watermelon field; kissing him...

The script was later remade (again) to what we have now.
it is also worth mentioning that Asuka was originally in unit-2 during the 10th angel attack. (In the first or second draft for 2.0.)
It explains why during the Zeruel battle (when it hits unit-2 a second time) the camera zoom's towards Mari's left eye (implying it getting hit), yet later we see that it's the right side of her face that's injured.---Originally Asuka was in Mari's
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>>151768993
>Originally Mari was going to be introduced by piloting Eva-2 at sea fighting an angel on battleships,
>Mari/Kaji are both introduced to the cast while Asuka arrives later by plane,
>both Mari and Asuka pilot Unit-2 with Asuka being its designated pilot , referring to Mari as her "support fire"(later used in 3.0)
>Eventually Mari with a higher sync ratio with Unit-2 than Asuka becomes its main pilot >during the 9th angel attack, leaving Asuka devastated not piloting Eva (NGE style) Asuka then jumps at the chance to pilot unit-3.(o_o)
>Mari talks with all the pilots, goes to the school, Convinces Shinji (face to face) to pilot Unit-1 during the 10th angel attack at the watermelon field

Hey this sounds pretty coo-

>kissing him..

What bullshit. Glad they changed it.
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>Mari: "Pups snap out of it! Save the Princess!"

What did she mean by this?
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>>151770228
Probably save her from something, some people say she is referring to Yui.
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>>151770300
Nothing to do with Asuka? As I recall that is Mari's nickname for Asuka.

Still confusing.
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>>151768993
Where is this coming from exactly?
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>>151770988
if you mean the source for the info, its from the Evangelion complete records collection 2.0

Here's a link to some translations
https://www.gwern.net/docs/eva/2010-crc#asuka-in-unit-03
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I find it very strange that Evangelion became such a commercial cash cow, considering a lot of its themes and presentation
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>>151771162
>https://www.gwern.net/docs/eva/2010-crc#asuka-in-unit-03
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> Anonymous 01/02/17(Mon)21:23:05 No.151771162 ▶
>I find it very strange that Evangelion became such a commercial cash cow, considering a lot of its themes and presentation
People NEED something new, Eva was such a different beast compared to other anime, that people were drawn to it.

Every new concept or idea in the anime industry, from video game-themed mmo anime, Giant human eating monsters, people love novelty.

the story and characters take the most important element for any story and eva portrayed itself perfectly.
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>>151768993
Why did they NOT go with one of those earlier drafts, and why do we still have fucking artifacts from them in 3.0?

Is Anno going to pull some crazy shit in 3.0 + 1.0 or are we all going to be let down?
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>>151771548
I am a bit off, both Mari and Asuka were in unit 2, it added to her later statement that she couldn't have done it alone.
>Is Anno going to pull some crazy shit in 3.0 + 1.0 or are we all going to be let down?
who knows? I hope so.
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oops, wrong pic. sorry
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>>151766058
>>151766398
We soft pink now?
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>>151772941
Do you Party?
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>>151773113
I do, Anon. I do.
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>>151773135
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>>151772941
>>151773113
>>151773135
Explain this meme pls
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>>151772941
Do you really want me to drop Mari guro?
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>>151773179
CUTE

>>151773185
Love and play aren't memes

>>151773203
I might.
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>>151773185
Newfags. All it is to it.
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classic
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>>151773283
What a cute little tongue.
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>>151773337
Lewd
Got any pure cute?
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what's defines pure cute?
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>>151773392
this?
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>>151773439
Nothing sexual, just pure girls being cute.

>>151773507
Very nice!
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>>151768993
This plot was perfect except for Mari kissing shinji. We don't need a harem. Just Rei and Asuka are fine. Misato can join in occasionally
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>>151773640
the thing with Mari, was that the kiss was to make Shinji do what she wanted.

As manipulate Shinji into piloting the eva.
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anyone have one including Hikari?
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>>151773756
Sorry anon, can't say that I do.
I only own one 6 inch Hikari figure and it feels bad.
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>>151773814
She should wear a bra.
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>>151773756

Closest thing I got.

What you want is like asking for a Hikari X Maya doujin, they sadly do not exist.
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>>151773980
I'm sure she does, but you've got to let the beasts free sometimes.
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>>151774165
>>151774326
More Hikari!
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>>151771388
>People NEED something new
MORE JOJO
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>>151774326
Enjoy the ban I guess.
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>>151774476
Why would that be banned? Read the rules silly anon.
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>>151774050
Hikari doujins are rare.
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>>151774759
KICK HIS ASS
CHOKE HIM OUT
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>>151774514
Other than the fact you break Global 2 every time you post, it's enough to warrant a ban.
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>>151766058
Honestly? Screen time.

NGE gave us a lot of time to get used to the characters and establish the nuance they became famous for. Jet Alone (despite accusations of being a filler episode) is a great example of an episode that used its time wisely to flesh out the characters to an unusual degree. We spent a lot of time with these characters and got to see their quirks and insecurities and problems, and that's the foundation that EoTV and EoE are based off of. That's the only reason they were so cathartic and hard hitting and memorable in the first place. EoE without NGE to back it up would just be a pretentious arthouse film no one would like except contrarian "film buffs" so they could jack off their egos.

RoE has none of that. There's no time to do it. You can't flesh out a cast of characters in 6 hours like you can in 13. And even considering that, RoE does not use its economy of time well at all. I'm not going to pretend NGE Kaworu was some sort of deep masterwork of a character, but it is fairly striking that a guy who was in one episode for all of 15 minutes left a deep impression on the audience for decades. Meanwhile, Eva 3.33 gives the guy a whole movie to himself but somehow he ends up being bland and uninteresting. At least NGE Kaworu had hints of conflicting motivations and complex emotions. 3.33 Kaworu is just a bishie homo acting like he walked right out of a doujin all the way up until he explodes like a watermelon.

3.33 lays bare weaknesses of RoE that were there all along. It's not just inefficient use of very limited screen time, but also that there's no emotional foundation to build catharsis of. 3.33 is all of the cryptic and frustrating elements of NGE removed from any reason for the audience to care. And it's disappointing how 11 years ago when it became clear the movies were finally going to happen the question everyone had was "how are they going to pull this off in just 4 movies?" We have our answer now. They couldn't.
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>>151775152
it kinda reminds me of star wars prequels, Soo many ideas packed into a movie, that were better off as episodic cartoon episodes.
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>>151775152
diff anon,
on that note, why would Anno restrict eva's story to 4 movis
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>>151771548
>Is Anno going to pull some crazy shit in 3.0 + 1.0 or are we all going to be let down?

Depends on if you think Anno knows what he's doing or not.

Some say that 2.0 was a sarcastic piece of bait with Anno giving the audience what the always wanted, a super kewl TTGL-esque mecha show where Shinji nuts up and gets Japan favorite girl. According to this theory it was all just a set up to slap people in the face with 3.33, which does honestly fit with the original vibe and vision of NGE.

On the other hand there's evidence that Anno is just making shit up as he goes along because he hates the franchise and all its fans. Mari is an awful character and her existence makes no sense, not even as the most straightfaced satire. What little we can piece together about 3.33's backstory is often contradictory or seems nonsensical. Curse of the Eva is a transparent attempt to have a timeskip yet keep all those underage waifus around for figurine sales.

If nothing else, Shin Godzilla proved that Anno can make something good if he feels like it. They'll be no way to know until we see it (expect a 2021 release date at the earliest).
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>>151766058
I never cared much for the color palette either.
They tried to change it up (along with the key frame designers) for 3.0 to fit the tone, but as a consequence it gives off a sense of inconsistency.
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>>151775710
>Some say that 2.0 was a sarcastic piece of bait with Anno giving the audience what the always wanted, a super kewl TTGL-esque mecha show where Shinji nuts up and gets Japan favorite girl. According to this theory it was all just a set up to slap people in the face with 3.33, which does honestly fit with the original vibe and vision of NGE.

This most likely.
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>>151775518
Most likely answer is money. You can put a lot more in the bank when everyone has to pay for a ticket (plus money from previews) to see your new project then if all you have is advertising from 5 minute commercial breaks.

I don't like the term "selling out" because I feel it's overused and applied to situations it doesn't belong, but there honestly doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to do movies over a new series besides money.

>>151775448
Agree. Another interesting parallel there is that both Lucas and Anno made successful projects (that were genuinely good) and got hyped up as gods of storytelling until they started to make things that fell flat. I almost wonder if after you reach "Golden Boy" status your creative team becomes less apt to question your decisions in a way that damages the new works. For example, George and Anno were both talented (and may still be as talented as they always were), but where before another team member might point something out that would cause the director to reexamine and maybe alter something, now they assume anything they think must be great and let it through, resulting in a rougher, less rigorous product.
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>>151766058
Neon Genesis Evangelion: characters and plot first, mech fights and anime tropes second

The Rebuild of Evangelion: mech fights and anime tropes first, characters and plot second
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>>151776093
>Agree. Another interesting parallel there is that both Lucas and Anno made successful projects (that were genuinely good) and got hyped up as gods of storytelling until they started to make things that fell flat. I almost wonder if after you reach "Golden Boy" status your creative team becomes less apt to question your decisions in a way that damages the new works. For example, George and Anno were both talented (and may still be as talented as they always were), but where before another team member might point something out that would cause the director to reexamine and maybe alter something, now they assume anything they think must be great and let it through, resulting in a rougher, less rigorous product.

Anno and Lucas are complete opposites, Anno allows other people to bring up ideas, criticisms whereas Lucas actively removed any naysayers from the prequels.
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>You will never, EVER see Gendo and Fuyutski's mountaineering broadventures in 3.0
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>>151766058

rebuilds are basically fanfiction and the brown haired girl is dumb
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>>151778064
1.0 is alright. Its just episode 5+6 rehashed with more detail and better graphics. Since it didn't deviate much from the original compared to 2 and 3.0
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>3.33 Asuka spends most of the movie being striken with "anger and grief" Shinji not saving her
>no one, not even fucking Misato bothers to tell her that Shinji tried to bring down the whole geofront in grief

The whole events of 3.33 could have been avoid with something as simple as talking
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>>151778103
1.0 was too fast paced for my taste, I like slow-well paced stories. (like NGE)

Anno had plans for rebuild since 2000, I wounder why and what he initially was planning.
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>>151778347
>1.0 was too fast paced for my taste,

Its objectively longer than episodes 5+6 together and it was entirely a redo of those two episodes fighting Ramiel aka the Geometrically screaming, mountain destroying angel. If you see it as just a redo of those episodes it fleshes out the characters more and deviates very little from NGE compared to 2.0/3.0.
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>>151778103
Having just watched the eps 1-6 and the 1.0 in quick succession, the most obvious thing is that everyone in the Rebuild is much more angsty sooner than they did in the original -- Shinji even gets in an extra early hell-train ride -- and almost all the light-hearted moments are cut out, often to be replaced by extended bits of the fight scenes.
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>>151778594
>Its objectively longer than episodes 5+6 together and it was entirely a redo of those two episodes fighting Ramiel aka the Geometrically screaming, mountain destroying angel. If you see it as just a redo of those episodes it fleshes out the characters more and deviates very little from NGE compared to 2.0/3.0.

its still has the first 6 eoispdes of NGE condensed to 90 minutes, thats a about 2 hours and 30 minutes of NGE condensed to a 90 minutes film.

it feels completely rushed
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>>151779498
I hope 4.0 will be longer, there is so much questions that the previous movies have brought up and also the questions on how everyone has no memories of End gone.
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Honestly I hope it just skip's anything related to the time skip.
Not enough screen time. Im only interested in what the characters feel i.e, Asuka and Misato with Shinji.

I hope we get cathartic dialogue between them and the MC, nothing else matters to the human aspect of the film.
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>>151779780
Well one of the WILL-E girls have a huge role to play in the next film, some one is going to have to snap Shinji out of it.

We know Asuka is always thinking about Shinji in 3.33, but Misato doesn't get much screentime so its hard to say. I just hope those 3 put their differences aside quickly and become friends again.
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>>151779910
Honestly I think Sahura Tohi's litle sister is going to have a "talk" with Captain Nemosato or Shinji about the evevents in 2.0 with the city destroyed, like in Nadia, with Electra
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>>151779910
https://youtu.be/lo_WRB8dpbo

Go to 34:37
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>>151771162
It becomes easier to rationalize once you accept that a sizable portion of the audience only cares about the big purple robot fighting the aliens and the blue hair girl and red hair girl being sexy
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>>151779910
>Some one is going to have to snap Shinji out of it.
Hopefully Asuka after her choker explodes.
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>>151780001
But Suzuhara's sister doesn't seen that angry at Shinji, which is weird. I doubt she'll be pointing a gun at anyone.
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>>151780150
>Hopefully Mari after her choker explodes.

FTFY
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>>151777562
>There was literally no explanation given as to why the fuck Gendo was still doing what he was doing
I'm still mad
Why can't Gendo ever be a main character, why does everything about him like his motivations constantly need to be a product of significant conjecture and speculation
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>>151780155
she said,

It will NEVER come off, with a distant stare

I'm certain that her ""front"" was staged, and she will reveal how she really feels to shinji when they become alone.

Anno will probably use her character as a vehicle to focus on Misato's part in destroying the world. on a speaker. after they fought Nerv's equivlent of the wunder with the crew in the water. ()pic related() cuz refrence

> im doing hack writing off the top of my head
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>>151780150
Suicide anytime, Reifag.
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>>151779910
Well Asuka tried to genuinely kill Shinji in her Eva, so I doubt they will.
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>>151780413
That was just her playing her tsundere side, Asuka was on the verge of tears when she realizes she yells out "DO SOMETHING BAKA SHINJI!" and she's always thinking about him too.
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>>151780466
Going to murder someone without hesitation is not tsundere. She was 100% prepared and wanted to kill him.

The scene where he uses alien powers just freaked her the fuck out, she knows he's a monster that needs to be destroyed and has no problems doing it herself.
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>>151780548
Well she's angry at him for personal reasons not related to 3rd impact, compared to Mari's cool and collected reaction to the whole fight. Asuka could have killed him in the entry plug, but instead was "nice" to him and explain why she was sad.

If you notice, all Asuka's scenes only relate to Shinji now. Compare that to Soryuu.
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>>151780709
How was she nice to him? She pulled his hair and kicked him down.
She is only dragging him back to Misato's base for orders, before she would have happily killed him on those same orders too.

All of Asuka's scenes are about Shinji because she isn't a fucking character in Rebuild. She's a shallow shell that's about as interesting to watch as paint dry.

She also looks likes a transvestite man donkey witch.
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>>151780779
>She also looks likes a transvestite man donkey witch.

Ok that's a little to far, even for a rei-anon
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>>151780799
You know I'm right.

20 years later and she's still by far the ugliest character in the cast.
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>>151780779
Well she explain her reasoning why she punched the glass, here is a question: Why did Asuka yell out Shinji to help her and then start to cry?

>All of Asuka's scenes are about Shinji because she isn't a fucking character in Rebuild. She's a shallow shell that's about as interesting to watch as paint dry.

At first I thought you were implying that Asuka is an anti-hero, but now you've outed yourself with this bait, Reifag.
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>>151780875
Because she knew Shinji was in there, and she was lost for what to do. She didn't fucking cry, she thinks he's a fucking freak and gladly steps up to the plate to kill him later in the movie.
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>>151766058
It's Anno's retrial to fuck over his fanbase again. The original plot is subverted. Mari is the new Rei, who was intended to be an emotionless doll to make people feel disgusted at their own taste, but since character development backfired that plan, mari is a mindless slut with no personality either. I don't really like her, but i guess most people are too busy fapping to her to focus on her poor character (which was intended), so it sort of backfired again.

It teases us with a new plot involving some nervous system key, which he will never reveal. It teased us with third impact by not showing us how it happened and putting a lot of bullshit later on.

And the CGI sucks, the 2010's digital shading with gradients sucks. The whole thing sucks.
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>>151780910
Her eyes twinkle at the thought of Shinji saving her.

>she thinks he's a fucking freak and gladly steps up to the plate to kill him later in the movie.

But she didn't, she holds his hand at the end. You're just mad that Shinji and Asuka will be spending significant time together in the next movie.
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>>151780950
Her eyes only shine after Shinji saves her, and it's clearly shock going on there.
That's why next time she sees him she punches the glass in rage. He's just a freaky weird ugly kid to her, she'd rather kill him or deal with other shit.

She grabs his hand at the end to drag him to Misato, you clearly see her pulling him by the wrist.
And in the preview for the next movie we see Asuka and Mari piloting an Eva together, so looks like you're gonna be the mad one here when they make her out to be a fucking butch dyke.
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>>151780854
Filenameskun still on the dole I see.
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>>151781016
Asukafag still on the anti-depression meds I see.
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Name a character uglier than Asuka.
Protip: You can't!
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>>151781001
Except that's wrong, she's mad and sad at him that Shinji didn't try to save her. Nowhere does she considers him a freak, she even calls him baka shinji still.

You still haven't answered why Asuka calls out for his help by accident in the beginning of the movie.
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>>151781053
Easy, ReiQ
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>>151781067
Where does she say she's mad and sad?
And she doesn't call him baka, she calls him gaki now.
He's just a little kid to her now. A fucking pathetic ugly freak of a child.

She wants to kill him because he's a freaky monster.

And I did answer that, but you can't read.

>>151781071
We don't mention that name here.

Asuka is still fucking hideous and looks like a man, regardless.
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>>151781121
>And she doesn't call him baka, she calls him gaki now.
With deliberate effort. When she calls to his tomb to save her or she's shocked to see him in an eva again it's by the name she crawled into his bed to give him.
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>>151781209
That was the first scene in the movie you fucking retard, after that she only calls him gaki.
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>>151781121
>Where does she say she's mad and sad?

She said for 14 years she's been stricken with grief and anger, she punches the glass and Shinji falls to his kneed. She says "none of your business!"

fastforward to the fight, she yet again yells out "None of your business!" then she explains her reasoning at the end.

>And she doesn't call him baka, she calls him gaki now.

Except she does, she yells out "DO SOMETHING BAKA SHINJI!" a few times after that.

>And I did answer that, but you can't read.

I saw it, its still not a good enough answer. She didn't yell it out because he knew he was there, she yelled it out because she still thinks about that day when Shinji didn't try to save her.

>Asuka is still fucking hideous and looks like a man, regardless.

You're not even trying to hide it.
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>>151781228
She said Baka shinji at least a couple of times.
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>>151781259
She only said she's had anger for 14 years.

She has nothing but anger for him, and that's why she's able to try and kill him so easily.

>>151781280
Nope, rewatch the movie. She only says it in the beginning. After she decides to use gaki when he escapes with Rei Q, she only ever uses gaki again,
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the digital color sucks

the plot is mostly a rehash, and its only a ~90 minute film so it cant develop characters in any different ways

it just feels like a giant troll desu, its a bad fucking idea to have people build up hype for YEARS for a new EVA thing and then it's only a ~90 minute episode. You just can't do the hype justice in that format.
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>>151781340
wrong
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>>151781340
>>151781455
You are also forgetting that everyones memories will eventually come back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVeKyqV1jWU

The only way to tie everything together.
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>>151781502
Shikinami was never in the original series, she is a new character.
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>>151781340
He's an idiot again for the second she realizes he's in EVA-13.
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>>151781532
She is still Asuka, and her character only has minor changes and a last name change.

The return to instrumentality is inevitable, anyway.
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>>151781604
She's not. Both the creator and all the staff stated she is a completely new character.
She has a new background, new identity, new personality, everything.

Soryu is gone from existence and Shikinami is new to Rebuild.
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>>151781641
Then why keep the Asuka name?
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>>151780117
>forgetting about the purple haired girl
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>>151781686
Because they can make more money reusing character designs from the previous series for figures and merchandising.
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>>151781710
Even Kaworu has more fans and otaku lusting after him than Misato.
No one likes old people.
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>>151781641
>>151781715
Well I looked it up, the reason they changed it was for the new setting. Its not NGE, that will remain its own thing.

>>151781727
Wait, Asuka is the most popular EVA character now? Seriously?
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>>151781727
>Kaworu over shinji and Misato
The voters suck
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>>151781832
Kaworu was always more popular than Misato. Even in 1996.

They even published a book about how popular he is.
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>>151766058
anno no-longer has clinical depression.
really, NGE was a happy accident that can't be repeated.
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>>151781866
Why do the Japanese have such shit taste
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>>151781880
oh, and EoE, especially that
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>>151781866
Jesus christ why, id pick fucking kouzou over that tumblr-bait homosexual
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>>151781888
>>151781909
Kaworu is best boy you insecure plebs, the japs want him to star in a harem with all the girls sucking his godcock
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>>151781909
You just have superior taste in gray. You can tell who has particularly inferior taste by who claims to prefer Kaworu for any reason but Ishida's performance.
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>>151782048
Fuyutsuki is great, but you can't beat Kaworu-kun.
His seiyuu is just one of his many pros.
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>>151782048
>>151782219
I've always wondered, did Gendo and Fuyutsuki ever fug?
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>>151782262
Most definitely.
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>>151782262
Not directly, but Yui did have a birthday in between Kozo joining Gehirn and Eva-01's experiment so it's plausible for them to have participated in a sex act together.
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>>151781727
>Gendo more popular than Kaji
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>>151782473
How could you be surprised by that? Most people forget Kaji even exists, but Gendo is iconic as fuck.
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Kaworu is an otaku and fujoshit detector the character, he's literally a merciful Jesus God with no flaws who can be loved by any pleb (confirmed by Anno). The most boring character of Eva, the only reason he's so popular is his sex appeal, stupid otaku fappers like to fap after all.
If you like Kaworu you have shit taste and you need to immediately kill yourself to join him in Instrumentality. Proceed.
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>>151783117
(You)
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>>151766058
>sequel films
>complete rehashes
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>>151783117
>The most boring character of Eva
Nah, that title goes to Rei.
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>>151778255

Evangelion in a nutshell.

>everything could have been solved by talking
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>>151783242
This.
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>>151783117
He is also a fallen angel that tempts an honest, vulnerable person into sudokucide and kills all of his friends and family, before claiming his soul.
Kaworu is there to show that Shinji is in no way ready for a real relationship. He'd rather take something for nothing (like Satou with the pyramid scheme) than accept the pain and struggle of having someone in his life.
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>>151781796
Asuka was always the most popular Eva character
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>>151782650
One is suave, the other is a shut-in. The anime also goes to some length to portray Kaji as a positive influence on Shinji, and Gendo as someone who is afraid to open up to his kid.
I would have expected the opposite to be true in terms of popularity.
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>>151783469
Kaji is rather forgettable in hindsight, whereas Gendo is famous even outside of the Evangelion fanbase to other Anime fans who have never even seen the show.

You don't have to be likable to be popular and well-known.
See: Kirino
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>>151784039
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>>151781727
>emotionless robot second most popular
well, weebs like their girls when they act like walking fleshlights
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