Would it actually be possible to win the Holy Grail War with

Grailwar powerlevels have been 100% plot armour since the VN

if you summon him as caster you win

>>151748249
Casters are even worse than Lancers

>>151748122

Karna

>>151748273
What is Solomon?

There are plenty of great Lancers. Cu just gets shafted by plot.

>>151748273
>who is Merlin

>Can literally one shot kill every servant without bullshit luck
>Can nuke those with bullshit luck with extreme version of one shot kill
>Kirei steals you, get told to scout

Being Lancer is true suffering.

>>151748273
Medea would have won the 5th war in Fate route if Gilgamesh wasn't present

I think Cu with a fighting type Master like the professor in Stay could work fine. Cu targets the master while the professor stalls the servant for like as long as he can.

Doesn't work on shit like Hercule.

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>>151748122
Just use a Saber Lancer.
Then again, she might not be lucky, since she rejected divinity of Rhon to remain human.

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>>151748273
Are you sure about that?

>>151748462
>yfw you're still fast as fuck even in a weaker class

truly the fastest servant.

I love Cu and would go out of my way to summon him he's a true bro

>>151748447
Medea is terribly underrated. High-Speed Divine Words is amazing, and of course she has Age of Gods magic. Her only problem is a weak Noble Phantasm.
Top waifu too.

>>151748455
Then again, being cursed to be Storm King, leader of the wild hunt, is not that bad, since Robin is a part of it.

More interesting than what Saber has at least.

How come Cu can get summoned as a Caster? Is it because of his runes?

>>151748512
Yes.

>>151748512
Yeah. Scathach laughed really hard at the thought of him being a Caster though.

>>151748512
He was pretty good with rune magic. He also qualifies for Rider, but Lancer is probably his best class.

>>151748531
How good is Sensei as a:

Lancer?
Caster?
Lover?

>>151748548
Scat can do basically everything Cu can, but better.
If Fergus is any indication, she's an amazing lay, but you'll probably be too exhausted from training or fighting to really appreciate it.

>>151748548
Donut steel
SSJ
When Fergus asked her, she said she'll do it if he can survive her NP at full strength.

>>151748578
Cu is still better than her with a spear.

>>151748578
Cu's just a bit rusty.

Since we got Caster Cu and Lancer Medea, it would've been fun to get Archer Herc, Saber EMIYA and Rider Arturia too.

>>151748596
He was when he died, but she made up the difference by doing nothing but training and fighting monsters since then.

>>151748578
>>151748586
If the reward for surviving her training is being able to fuck her I can see why CCL ended up like he did.

>>151748637
One does not simply surpass Irish jesus when you're a minor character in the damn story.

>>151748626
I doubt they'll show not corrupted archer herc any time soon, not without it being some huge affair anyway.

Saber EMIYA would be interesting though, I'd like to see that.

>>151748596
Arguably, yes. But she also trained while sleeping, somehow, and developed dual wielding Gae Bolg copies. And just throwing them like GoB.

>>151748637
Cu defeats Scathach in every fight they have in F/GO, she just tenaciously clings to life despite everything.

>>151748654
>Saber EMIYA
What would his NP even be?

>>151748654
>Saber EMIYA would be interesting though.

What are you on about he'd be the same done to death shit just without the bow.

>>151748455
So, what was her story? I don't think she's Alter the same way as Saber.

>>151748694
He could like throw swords at you from very far or something.

>>151748694
Unlimited blade works is still pretty fitting for a saber desu. Maybe he just gets better compatibility?

it's weird becuase he's like a genius archer prodigy that also happens to be a sword.

>>151748694
UBW I guess. I mean it's still a world full of swords.

>>151748728
>>151748732
Are there any other Sabers that have reality marbles? I didn't think the Saber class was suitable for those kinds of NPs.

>>151748694
Or his NP could be Avalon or something

>>151748744
EMIYA doesnt have it.

>>151748740
Nero's NP was like a reality marble

>>151748678
Cu Alter, not Lancer Cu.

>>151748122
Enkidu exists, isn't he supposed to be on at least Gil's tier?

>>151748740
Nero has it

>>151748778
Yes Lancer Cu. Read Scathach's actual event.

Alright, I got a ton of free time on my hands for the first time in forever and I want to get into this. Where do I even start with the anime, this is even more confusing than monogatari.

Masters have yet to summon the monkey king as lancer or caster.

It's like they don't even want to win the war.

>>151748815
>It's like they don't even want to die instantly from overwhelming mana consumption

>>151748792
You start with the F/SN VN.

>>151748455
This. Who gives a fuck about the grail when you got Alter Lancer Seibah who breaks your pelvis every night?

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>>151748122
>If I summoned him I think I'd just seppuku and get it over with
Make sure you order him to kill himself first. It's no fun otherwise.

>>151748792
Start with FSN UBW if you don't want to read the VN.

>>151748792
Read the VN first. All three routes. Preferably Realta Nua version.

Or, if you are lazy, you can start with Deen's FSN, then Ufotable's UBW and then wait for Heaven's Feel movies.

>>151748815
Sun Wukong basically flipped off everyone except the fucking buddha himself. He beat like, the entire celestial army at once.

>>151748862
I know I'm currently reading journey to the west.

Monkey King stronk as fuck.

>>151748815
>Masters have yet to summon Galahad as a saber or ruler
>It's like they don't even want to win the war.

>>151748847
>Preferably Realta Nua version
Realta Nua by itself has botched h-scenes. You want the mangled version which has both Realta Nua + censored old content.

>>151748815
Be glad the monkey isn't summoned.
Knowing Nasu, it would be a fucking niggeress with a beating stick.

>>151748815
>>151748821
>>151748862
>>151748876
A lot of heroes fought gods and other divinities, gods that were a whole lot more God-like than the ones Sun fought. He would be strong but he wouldn't be anything special.

>>151748447
She got quickly killed by Alter and nom'd by Sakura's shadow in HF.

>>151748721
Bedivere didn't return the sword, so Arthur couldn't die and lived on with the spear. Without the sword, she started to age and gain divinity from Rhon.

Lancer accepted the spear and became a divine spirit, while Alter refused the divinity to keep her humanity and became the Storm King.

Something like that, at least.

>>151748769
>>151748787
Nero's NP has a similar effect to an RM but it's actually advanced magecraft.

So why is there no Alter Gil?

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>>151748862
We have already seen the Buddha though.
He completely outclasses everyone considering he has an enlightenment-beam that instantly makes you remember that you were never not the Buddha.

>>151748918
Because the mud can't corrupt him.

>>151748918
His ego is too strong to be corrupted. He literally told Manjew to fuck off at the end of Zero.

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how strong full power scat is?

>>151748928
He was changed, he just claimed he couldn't be and didn't go black like everyone else, besides there's other ways to alter someone for the inevitable need to fanservice up a gil alter.

>>151748945
Very high spec Lancer, versatile, but lacks straightforward attack power.

>>151748901
Sun has a magic stick that weights 3000 tons or something and can make it as big or small as he wants.

He can shapeshift.

Create copies of himself.

Go around the world at top speed with his damn cloud.

Sun is broken as shit.

Could be rider while riding clouds, lancer with staff, caster with shapeshift, probably saber with staff, bezerker cause he's a monkey I guess.
Imagine a Bezerker Sun, he'd just flatten the world.

>>151748954
>He was changed
Not by the mud, but because the mud turned him into a living human. He became attached to the Alayashiki of 1994 humanity and thus his personality conformed to it, but that would happen no matter how he was incarnated, the mud itself washed off him like nothing.

>>151748917
Yeah, that's why i said
>nero's NP was LIKE a reality marble

Can someone explain to me what grand order is?

Like is it just a what if timeline or something?

I read Stay Night and watched Zero but that's the extent of my knowledge.

>>151748988
Everything is "what if" timelines in Type-Moon, there is no grand unified time.
It's another story in another universe, just like all the previous stories in previous universes.

>>151748122
Summon Sun Wu Kong as a lancer. I don't know why they haven't done this yet.

>>151748945
As powerful as the writer wants her to be, because Primal Runes. She can even summon other Servants with nothing but them.
>>151748988
Its a mobile game where everyone gets to be a super sayan and fight world ending threats with any Servants you want.

>>151748956
what about her NP?

>>151748988
>Like is it just a what if timeline or something?

Pretty much. Barring FSN, Zero and HA all the Fate titles happen in alternate universes.

>>151749019
Thrown GB copies.

>>151748988

Nasu started to read the garbage western comics and start using to use multiverse shit in order to milk Fate setting and characters until his eventual death from too much money.

>>151749038
you mean the anti army one? jesus

>>151749022
Well, technically, FGO said that Fate and KnK are united by the Concept of humanity that allows Servants and prevents DAAs from existing.
While Tsukihime, and arguably, Extra, are in timelines without that concept.

>>151749067
Timelines were a fucking mistake. Why would you not put KnK, Fate and Tsukihime in the same universe?

>>151748966
Sun Wukong later single-handedly defeats the Army of Heaven's 100,000 celestial warriors, all 28 constellations, four heavenly kings, and Nezha, and proves himself equal to the best of Heaven's generals, Erlang Shen. Eventually, through the teamwork of Taoist and Buddhist forces, including the efforts from some of the greatest deities, and then finally by the Bodhisattva of mercy, Guanyin, Sun Wukong is captured. After several failed attempts at execution, Sun Wukong is locked into Laozi's eight-way trigram Crucible to be distilled into an elixir (so that Laozi could regain his pills of longevity) by samadhi fires. After 49 days, however, when the cauldron is opened, Sun Wukong jumps out, even stronger. He is now able to recognize evil with huǒyǎn-jīnjīng (火眼金睛) (lit. "golden-gaze fiery-eyes"), an eye condition that also gives him a weakness to smoke, and proceeds to destroy Heaven's remaining forces.

>>151748966
And Heracles wrestled the son of a titan and a god (and won), and held the sky on his back. There's a tonne of others that have done retardedly overpowered things, Sun Wukong is nothing special.

>>151749080
Don't blame Nasu from stealing a successful western trope.

>>151749080
Because it's always easier to milk without restrictions set by canon.

>>151748966
>Sun has a magic stick that weights 3000 tons or something and can make it as big or small as he wants.
Typical Noble Phantasm, not very impressive
>He can shapeshift.
It's a skill, not too impressive
>Create copies of himself.
Would be nerfed completely by the magical laws of Type-Moon
>Go around the world at top speed with his damn cloud.
Gil can do the same on his vimana, it's not that big of an advantage

Understand that every hero is wanked in myth. Karna could shake the weight of the entire universe binding Arjuna's chariot.

Has anyone explained why they used the second track from the Koufuku Graffiti OP single as the ED here? I love Maaya and all but it's just strange.

>>151749080
Because having two people with MEoDP with the same name is too much of a coincidence. MEoDP is so rare that there's only one person who has it per timeline

>>151749090
Read this
>>151749089

Sky is light as fuck. I mean it just floats up there.

I could hold the sky on my back.

Also Cyclopes were the sons of titans and they're just big humans. Greek Mythos a shit.

>>151749126
That wouldnt be his noble phantasm though.
Shapeshift would be great for sneak attacking masters.

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>>151749059
Welcome to FGO.

I think Attila is an alien terminator found in ruins of ancient Saharan civilisation that wields an Ether sword and is called the threat to both humanity and gods.
And Scathach said that she appears to turn the land into a wasteland devoid of any life, or magic, basically, Notes world.

>>151749080
>Timelines were a fucking mistake. Why would you not put Arcueid route and Kohaku route in the same universe?
>Timelines were a fucking mistake. Why would you put Shirou from the future in Shirou's past?
I am too lazy to come up with anything more but timelines have been in from the start you goddamned madman

>>151749080
Only one person with MEODP can exist at a time in one universe. Fate takes place after the events of Tsukihime. That's why KnK is on its own alternate but similar universe.

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>>151749147
And I think this is supposed to be her NP full power activation?

>>151749142
>That wouldnt be his noble phantasm though.
If he was summoned as a Lancer, why the fuck would his staff not be his NP? Ridiculous.

>>151749173
So it'd be a constant NP instead of a cast it once NP?

>>151748911
Dark sakura could pretty much kill every servant in stay night, so its not really a fair comparision.

>>151749089
>>151749142
>chinkaboos have arrived
>n-nuh uh muh chimp is so much stronger than anyone else even though every single mythical hero is wanked a tonne but mine is speshul

Chinkaboos realized the myth of "muh Han strongest empire stronger than Rome" has been debunked, so now they double down on Wukong instead.

>>151749147
Why does Nadia have a rainbow sword?

>>151749131
Pretty sure that the ending used a remixed FGO track.

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>>151749221
Hair color is a 2chan meme

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>>151749147
>another alien sword

death to all bad civilization. i wonder how Ether sword will fare against EA. both being alien and all.

>>151748815
The other dangerous thing is that he is popular and come from Far East.

>>151749221
The same as all the other nonsense in Typemoon. Because Nasu

>>151748726
>be an Archer
>shoot people with swords
>be a Saber
>shoot people with swords
I wonder what he'd do as a Caster?

>>151749240
Well, its said to drain all mana in the world, except for underground leylines and such, upon full activation. But EA's power is severing reality, so who knows.

>>151749275
Probably like cast swords at people or something.

No bogatyrs, no bullshit caster, no even historic ones.
How come there are no slav servants in nasuverse still?

>>151749240
Wasn't EA some pre age of gods bullshit, not alien, but divine?

>>151749298
Ivan the Terrible was rumored to be in, but I dropped FGO, so I don't know if he was added

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>>151749298
We have Helena Blavatsky.
>>151749311
Not in yet.

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>>151749147
That's stupid

Stop being stupid Fate franchise

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>>151749388
Attila is the strangest hero so far, to be fair.
That said, being an alien war machine is just giving the Nasu treatment to another ancient historical thing, in this case a very old cave painting dubbed the "Great God of Sefar".
A mysterious and ineffable painting depicting some great horned thing looming over people and creatures. In Nasu's rendition, it is the memory of an alien invader circa 12000 BC.
Attila is the central core of that alien, destroyed in the distant past.

>>151749457
Still stupid

>>151749457
Dude Nasu's skill at making up bullshit is impressive.

What if Setanta could be summoned as lancer instead of Cu Chulainn?

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>>151748122
Caster looked lot more competent and efficient to me.

>>151749589
You mean before he got the nickname? Wasn't he 6 years old?

>>151749589
They're the same person. Even assuming that happens, he'd probably be much weaker because all of his famous deeds were accomplished under the name of Cu.

Summom random roman soldier for Longinus

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>>151748406
>Can literally one shot kill every servant without bullshit luck

Or without a shield, that Rho Aias thing is not even a NP and can block Gae Bolg.

People keeps telling Gar Bolg is broken but is shitty as hell, it kills you...if you don't have high stat, or if you don't have a shield that is not even a NP, or if you don't have 10 lifes, or if Rin isn't close to heal you, or you don't have a counter sphere

So basically Gae Bolg is a shit, a one shot sure kill that never gets its job done.

>>151749734
>that Rho Aias thing is not even a NP
What?
What in gods name would make you think that RHO AIAS, THE UNBROKEN SHIELD OF AIAS THE GREAT, THAT HALTED THE GREAT SPEAR OF HECTOR, is not a noble phantasm?

>>151749734
But Gae Bolg doesn't even need to pierce the shield?

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>>151749240

Altera is adorable.

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Reminder
>>151749791
Thrown does

>>151749734
>>151749791
Gae Bolg broke Rho Aias though.

>>151749857
It didn't pierce Archer

>>151748122
Maybe if the Lancer was Zhao Yun or Yukimura Sanada.

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>>151749877
That's like saying "Ha, your bullet didn't lodge itself in my lung, I haven't been shot"
It got through the shield it just was weakened to the point of survivability.

I'm not gay but I would totally let Caster Cu fuck me.

>>151749857
>>151749877
that was the thrown version, which had a nerfed autohit reality rewriting thing but was a nuke.

>>151749877
It tore his arm apart, it was enough to make him surrender.

>>151750033
The fight was just a noise to distract Caster anyway.

>>151748122
Lancer was shit originally because of Kirei forcing him to hold back.

He'd probably win if he got someone competent with him

>>151750098
But he did get someone competent, it's just that together they had 2x luck of the irish (E).

>>151749298
i used the term alien too lightly. it simply means the origin of the material used is foreign. EA is a divine construct, Atilla rainbow saber is also a divine construct if im not mistaken, a poor man version of slash emperor.

>>151750098
In HF5 he'd probably get squished by Berserker.
Yes, yes, he has the slimmest of chances as stated by Nasu, but I said "probably", so guess who the odds are actually on?

>>151750068
Still, GB didn't kill Archer immediately but leaving him with a crippling wound means in a serious battle it would be all over.

>>151750098
Could he actually beat Saber or Berserker though? Gae Bolg seems pretty shit. The only times he used it the target was relatively unscathed, and although he's supposed to be the fastest servant he doesn't seem all that much faster than Saber or Archer

>>151748392
alive and well.

>>151750153
He almot beat Saber while being under Kirei nerf, he'd have won if he didn't have Kirei as master.

No fucking way for him to kill baasakaa tho, unless they kill the little girl.

>>151750153
He is fastest. Its just that Saber has Instinct, Archer plans for a hundred steps forward, Heracles is Heracles, etc.

>>151750153
Because Stand and Servant stats are both bullshit
Though he's only allowed to go all out against Archer in UBW and Gil in Fate
Apparently only Medusa can match him in speed

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>>151749857
And? That doesn't change the argument that for a certain kill shot that always pierces the heart is SHIT because it never landed a certain kill and just once pierced the heart of someone and was defenseless Shirou, that didn't even die.

No one is questioning Gae Bolg being an efficient NP, but is not Overpowered or "one shot" at all like lot of people says.

>>151750153
>>151750217
It was used once and failed once, you somehow assume it must always fail thereafter.
Jesus christ he literally used it a single time.

>>151750268
>It was used once and failed once
He used it against Saber and it failed because of some bullshit about luck. He used an even stronger version against Archer and it got almost entirely blocked. Obviously it wouldn't work against Hercules, maybe once then God Hand stops it. It's only useful against the shit servants he could beat anyway like Caster and Assassin

>>151750308
The stronger version doesn't pierce the heart it is just a homing spear that can't be blocked.

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>You'll never see Alter Lancer bully Heracles in the shower

>>151750322
>Melee version reverses fate so it can't miss
>The only time it's used it misses

>Ranged version can't be blocked
>The only time it's used it's blocked

Hmmm, it's almost like Gae Bolg never fucking works and is shit

>>151750217
he didnt use gae bolg on shirou.

he was under the influence of a command seal by kotomine who told him to fight every servant but kill none of them.

Rho Aias > GB, ptherwise its a kill,

not interested in FGO until hengist and horsa are in as hard-counters to basically any and every saber variant

>>151750349
That's just plot armor. I mean, Heracles's 12 lives never let him live long enough to win too.

Unstoppable Force vs Immovable object doesn't negate the value of the force when it collides with other objects

How good do you think the Lancer/Bazett duo would do if Kotomine hadn't fucked them over?

>>151750478
On par with Ilya/Berserker I think. Bazett would've been the best magus in the war, and had the know how to get things done.

>>151750478
they would have won.

>>151750268
>you somehow assume it must always fail

Failed vs saber because high luck stat, that other heroes also have, so asuming it would fail against them too is reasonable I think.

Vs Heracles would take one of its lifes at most so its reasonable guess it wouldn't work

Vs Archer was blocked by a magic shield. So we can asume safely that the thrown version at least can be blocked by magic shields.

But If you don't want speculations at all I understand, he still he used it twice, one failed (Saber) and one was blocked (Archer). So he uses twice and both times fails.

>>151750478
Their biggest obstacle is Gilgamesh, they could deal with other master/servant combos.

>>151750478
Her magecraft is unbeatable if prepared properly, but it has it's weaknesses as well.

Really, the result would be like every other fight in Fate - whatever the plot demands.

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>>151750349
Still an efficient move, the only miss is consider it overpowered.

Its like saying that the single target death spell on an RPG is overpowered when it doesn't work with any bosses and only has a 60% rate of killing non-bosses enemies that you could kill without it any way.

It's still useful, its just is not overpowered at all.

>>151750635
Problem is you can't win the war without eventually running up against the big boys in Saber/Berserker/Gilgamesh, so having a NP that basically doesn't work against any of them is a big problem if you want to actually win. Taking out the small fry is meaningless, and the NP is supposed to be the ace in the hole that levels the playing field. Having one that is irrelevant means he doesn't have a prayer

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>>151750635
What's with the werewolf?

>>151750711
Unused prisma design

>>151750549
Did you even read the VN? He was under a command seal that ordered him to challenge every servant to a 1v1 and not kill them to gather information, and to eliminate any witnesses.

Rho Aias isn't just any magic shield either. It's safe to say GB wouldn't work against Saber with Avalon or perhaps something from the treasury of a serious Gil, but nothing else would stop it.

Rho Aias also uses up all of Archer's mana and he can't fight after using it, so it's not like Lancer would have lost the fight either.

>>151750549
>Vs Archer was blocked by a magic shield. So we can asume safely that the thrown version at least can be blocked by magic shields.
Not a valid assumption, only powerful conceptual weapons have a chance.
Lord Camelot could block it, certainly.
But Achilleus Cosmos wouldn't have a chance, it would just punch right through the whole world because it conceptually will not be stopped, the numbers of an entire world don't matter in the face of that concept. It will bore through the whole planet and hit its target anyway.

>>151748486
It's not anyone on /a/ would be able to win the war anyway.

>>151750883
If the Fate/Accel Zero event should teach you anything, it's that showing up with information from the future will make a grail war a cakewalk.

>>151750761
>Unused
It does appear as one of the Servants Bazett defeated.

>>151748886
Why not the Realta Nua version with uncensored old content?

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>>151748122
Tough luck if you get stuck with a Lancer. If you get an Assassin and aren't retarded you should win easily.

>>151751063
Is this supposed to be impressive looking?

>>151751088
>If you get an Assassin and aren't retarded
That's never going to happen.

>>151751088
Any Magus worth their salt can 1v1 an assassin. Hell I doubt an assassin could even beat Shirou half way through UBW

>>151751164
You really underestimate assassins. They are weak in power compared to the others but humans still can't touch them in strength cause servant>humans.

In Fate/Apocrypha Hassans are literally banned from the war for being op. Anytime a Hassan showed the war would grid to a halt forever cause all the masters would have to hide or Hassan would sneak up and kill them.

>>151751063
Man, we need more Bazet. She only had a minor role in everything.

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>>151751088
Why is she so cute?

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>>151748122
Lancers can be pretty strong so it depends on the opposition. Even if some enemies are stronger you can hope for them to destroy each other. Rider was the last surviving Servant in Heaven's Feel even though she wasn't the strongest and she had E luck, so there's no reason a Lancer couldn't win.

I'd want to summon this spearwoman myself.

>>151751088
yea i probably could win with assassin provided it cam with the title 'old man of the mountain.'

>>151750940
>showing up with information from the future
That's the hard part.

>>151751266
>Woman

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>>151751258
Cause all of them are.

>>151751164
>Any Magus worth their salt can 1v1 an assassin
Bazett is specifically a battle magi and even she can barely 1v1 some Hassans.

>>151751285
>>151751266
Please fuck off. You already make the /v/ threads unbearable.

>>151751285
would still fuck it/him/her/zen

>>151751223
>Send Assassin out
>It dies within hours because any other servant will notice it and kill it instantly

>>151751325
>>151751325
>Every single assassin has the ability to be completely undetectable.
Good luck finding one that doesn't want to be found.

>>151751325
>Using Assassin to kill servants

No wonder you'd lose if you used retard strategies like that.

>>151751066
Whoops, that's what I meant.

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>>151751277
They pretty much are the best of the class.

Except the fact that loli Jack has the best stats of any assassin in GO right now.

>>151751568
Most of her value comes from the ridiculous number of crit stars she produces.

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How would Bazett have fared if she has summoned Caster Cu instead and didn't get wrecked by Kotomine?

>>151751635
She would have had a pretty good shot, especially since her having Caster means Medea isn't competing.

>>151751635
Caster Cu makes a lot of sense, considering how similar Bazett and Lancer are.

>>151751665
Can Wickerman, some flames and some admittedly pretty sweet Debuff runes really swing the war in favour rather than dual insta-kill NPs?

>>151751710
How so?

>>151748966
Did it rip off DBZ or something holy shit.

I kid

>>151748273
>Solomon, Merlin, Caster Gilgamesh, Caster Lancer, Medea
Nah. Casters are fine.

>>151748223
Yeah, instead of thinking about who you want to summon or what class you'd like to work with, your first priority is to be as much of a dumbfuck as Shirou as possible.

>>151749126
What makes Sun Wukong impressive is that he has a shit ton of tricks under his sleeve and could probably fit under any class. Not only that, but if he were to be given stats, he'd probably be given solid A's in most category and maybe B rank in Magic and Luck.

Biggest issue with summoning him is that he's a disobedient little fuck and if you don't have the sutra to give him head aches, he will do whatever he pleases.

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It might be possible if he got summoned somewhere where the country bonus is in effect.

Nobody outside of potatoland has heard of cu chuulain

>>151751763
I guess it would all depend on how competent of a team Caster Cu and Bazett would be.

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>>151748447
Not true. She would have died to saber handily and Berserker would have fucked her up too given he is now around. Also Cu pretty much hunted her down without any real resistance.

Only ace in her hole is the second servant and kuzuki but assassin cant roam, meaning that they just have to wait medea out given prana is a scarce resource..

Without Gilgamesh, Kirei has the best shot at winning. Cu is pretty good and he knows the indentity of the masters

>>151751823
Secondary please.

>>151751902
Nigger he's talking about the Fate route. She was about to get Saber like in UBW before Gil showed up. They could've then defeated Cú together, who was the only other Servant left. Boom, Medea wins.

>>151751763
>How so?
Both are melee and both have casuality-reversing NPs. Diversifying their strengths would give them a better chance I think.

>>151751635
Caster Cu would've probably turned her into a fucking superman, i bet he could've also mass produced fraggerlocks.

>>151751763
Ochd Deug Odin: Great God Carved Seal (大神刻印, Ōkami Kokuin?) is the Noble Phantasm of Cú Chulainn in his Caster form. A rank - Anti Fortress.

In modern terms, it is known as Matrix Wodan. It is a Noble Phantasm activated by invoking all the 18 original runes conferred by Scáthach together with the release of the True Name. The power of the rune obtained by the great god of Northern Europe is temporarily released to bestow large-scale magic damage on the enemy camp. Furthermore, surviving enemies will have all buff effects dispelled, the parameters of their abilities will be forcibly reduced by 1 Rank and, in case they possess constantly active Noble Phantasms, those will be halted for 1~2 turns.

>>151751902
Next chapter when?

>>151752005
>in case they possess constantly active Noble Phantasms, those will be halted for 1~2 turns.
So he can permakill Heracles Berserker?

>>151751974
That is a solid point. Given Cu seemed to be much more tricky as a mage in his approach to battle and how often he spammed Wickerman, he can see his NP is still fairly cheap to use and very useful in it's applications.

>>151751995
That is true. Between Reinforcement and >>151752005 this debuff. Bazett would probably be close to servant-tier and fighting that would probably make some servants more willing to use their NPs and get Fragglerocked.

>>151748694
The same. EMIYA has no "true" NP, he has no legend. The only thing he has is his world full of swords, which is the closest thing he has to a functional NP.

>>151748694
Surprisingly enough Saber wasn't listed as one of his possible classes in AR, the ones that are listed were Archer,Caster, Assassin and Berserker.

Im assuming that the Assassin version is the new grand order design with the guns.

>>151749022
The Fate routes themselves take place in alternate universes.

>>151752203
>His nature is 'sword'
>Can't be Saber
How does that make sense?

>>151752203
>Im assuming that the Assassin version is the new grand order design with the guns.
You mean Emiya at one point of life literally become a nigger?

>>151748988
>Can someone explain to me what grand order is?
Fate multiverse

>>151752085
It would basically be Medea/snake teacher on steroids, with an overpowered pseudo-NP

>>151750698
Well, Gil and Herc sure. Saber before she gets back Avalon is not a threat to Cu at all.

>>151749515
>>151749525
>Hurr durr everything someone keeps adding to the universe is stupid

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>>151751917
typical.

>>151748945
Why does Swimsuit Sensei love the player character but the normal one doesn't?

>>151752417
not everyting
but turning a historical (male) figure into an alien girl with a laser sword is pretty fucking stupid

>>151751823
But VNs taught me that's how you get your dick sucked.

>>151751223
>humans still can't touch them in strength cause servant>humans.

Because that worked so well for Gilgamesh against Shirou with UBW

>>151752486
he had the arm of a servant tho didn't he.
a better example would be Medea's master, but even he was powerbuffed.

>>151752486
I'm pretty sure it's already been acknowledged how much a rare case that was.

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>>151752507
>he had the arm of a servant tho didn't he.
That's in HF. In UBW he had Rin's magical crest

>>151752203
How would an Assassin Emiya would be? (and not Kiritsugu, I'm talking about Shirou)

How would a Caster version be?

I can't imagine him being all that different between versions, the only thing he has is UBW

>>151752507
Not the arm of a servant, but the memories of swords which give him temporary power of the original wielder or something like that.

>>151752550
Since his only true Noble Phantasm is UBW he'd be kinda shit as a Caster. Having Presence Concealment as Assassin might be handy but losing Independent Action might hurt him a little.

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Need help. Fate route, hentai scene. Locale change didn't helped or maybe I just screwed that up somehow.

>>151752550
Well, he already is great at long range. Maybe he will just be the sniper type. I'm sure he has a weapon he could use to silently take out targets. If they just don't straight up use Mercenary Emiya and give him a sniper rifle.

We're never going to here about that story are we?

>>151752527
It doesn't matter, Gilgamesh is still a Servant even though he's not a fighter. He has strenght and agility beyond a normal human.

What about Diarmuid? Would he have gotten far with a diff master?

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>>151748918
There is.

>>151752754
>We're never going to here about that story are we?

I'm not sure what did you mean with this, but if you're talking about Emiya's story, I'm sure with all the Fate milking we'll eventually get a LN about Emiya's past.

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>>151752777
>He has strenght and agility beyond a normal human.

>>151752787
If his master was Kiritsugu and the pussy's was Saber, Saber would've sudoku'd instead

>>151752777
Yeah, fat lot of good that did against Shirou, and fit but average human.

>>151752387
>FGO is canon

how? is Fate turning into marvel or DC crap.

>>151752866
average humans aren't made of swords

>>151752949
He wasn't made of swords at that point. I don't think. Wasn't that strictly a HF thing?

>>151752937
define "being canon"

>>151752937
because at the very end they undo everything thats been done.The world got incinerated but by going back in time they fixed it so that it never happened.

The only main confliction i'd have is which war olga's father won.

>>151752937
>turning into
It always was since before Fate even started, secondary-kun.

Oh, I remember what I wanted to know: Was Shirou's Origin of Sword like that before he was given Avalon or do we have no idea what it was before?

Fate/Starange Fake is translated
Go and read it right now, shitters

>>151752978
he was swords during the prologue, tho iirc that was because of avadon, did he give that back during UBW?
but i was mostly talking about the reality marble

>>151752937
Not liking something doesn't make it non-canon anon.

>>151752937
Nasu and Gen have said that they want Type-Moon to become the Marvel of Japan :^)

>>151753025
i thought that was still ongoing
how did zealot assassin fare?

>>151752787
Yes, absolutely, his only real weakness was having a brain-dead master with a wife he could accidentally steal (again). If he was summoned by a bachelor with enough sense to just keep their head down and let him fight it would have gone much better.

He still would have lost his war because Gilgamesh being on the field is inherently unfair to everyone who doesn't have a specific power to counter him, but that's beside the point.

>>151753025
Still just the first 3 volumes, right? Is the 4th even out in nipland? Man, Narita needs to start pumping out like 4 a year if he wants that 2019 anime adaptation.

>>151753071
All 3 volumes translated. 4 vol not released in Japan yet

>>151752787
iirc it was stated that Diarmund could've won by
> having no interction with saber
> fight by poking enemies a bit and then running away
> not cuck his master

>>151753029
>mostly about the reality marble

Well, that is true, but if you sword fight with a guy who can one arm lift a bus, the difference in strength is going to become rapidly apparent. But as we've seen in the series, he fought equally with Gil. So, I'unno. The whole thing is conveluted.

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>>151752824
I'm not sure if this counts though.
It was basically just regular Gil, but mentally retarded to the point where he could barely speak.

>>151748122
>shit on throughout the entire fate franchise despite having amazing stats
>summoned as a catser and solos the entire grail war

Grand order gave us competent cu and I really hope he stays around.

>>151753656
But he didn't solo it

>>151749080
If timelines weren't there, we wouldn't have gotten routes for other girls and you would be given a one true end.

What if hitler was servant

>>151753656
That's because Cu is actually strong, but only jobs because of his E-rank luck.

>>151753018
It's from Avalon and we don't know what the original one was, as far as the original media goes. Not sure if there's more info in something like Prisma.

>>151753982
Probabaly a Caster. NP might work like Riders army NP.

>>151752451
She secretly loves (You)

>>151753946
Alternate events are fine, whole stories and characters in TM not even existing in certain timelines kind of sucks and takes away a lot of the "cool" in a connected universe.

>>151754085
Do you have her lines of dialogue from her events?

>>151748694
>>151752203
Saber EMIYA wouldn't have access to unlimited blade works, which at surface value is ironic, but it's a form of magecraft based on the tenets of Japanese archery, or something like that.

http://pastebin.com/egn1mcMc

>>151753025
I'm not getting anything from looking it up. Are we talking about the manga chapters or the LN?

>>151751902
>She would have died to saber handily
Play the game.
>and Berserker would have fucked her up too
He's the only real threat to her power level wise but she knows who he is and what his weaknesses are as they were both Argonauts and could easily handle him since he's a berserker and not a class that can abuse his knowledge of her.

>Also Cu pretty much hunted her down without any real resistance.
Also wrong.

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>>151753696
>killed asassin and rider offscreen
>lancer is going to kill protag
>comes in and pwns her gg ez
>not gonna fuck with berserker cuz not stupid
>pwns archer gg ez
>btfos saber out of fucking no where
how did he not solo it? shielder did literally nothing

>>151748122
What if you summoned Lancer and it was Guan Yu?

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>>151754096
>not taking advantage of timeline and universe stuff for waifubux
They just made female Musashi Miyamoto with alterverse excuse.

>>151753946
Oh fuck off. The other routes would just be non-canon, like literally any other story that doesn't involve timelines. I can't believe how quickly all these posters defend shitty excuses like "only one meodp allowed per timeline".

And for what? So that it's easier to write future works? The worst part is that there's nothing yet that really warrants this, except perhaps Prisma.

I heard that FGO actually had Billy the Kid for once. He was actually my head canon for a while. How did he turn out in game?

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>>151754388
He's pretty weak in game but I like his design.

>>151754339
And actually, I have no issues with multiple timelines within the same series, just when they separate Tsukihime, FS/N and KnK in to separate universes that it makes no sense to me. Isn't half the appeal of Nasuverse the intricate, interconnected world?

It'd be like if Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate were in separate universes. They did that for Occulic;Nine, and it was fucking stupid.

>>151749298
Altera's sword is the ultimate divine construct prototype which she got when she beat the shit out of the primordial war god who embodied the concept of battle itself and would later become Mars and Ares, and took it from him.

Also she's actually basically Galactus.

>>151754388
>>>/out/

>>151754506
Figures the one of the servants I wanted to see is weak. Oh well, at least Merlin is baller.

>>151751776
And what happens if you summon Shakespeare or Duma or Andersen?

>>151754255
Whole reason Singularity takes place is because without Chaldea's interference nothing can be done.So by himself he wouldn't have changed anything

>>151748122
Is fate stay/night worth playing? I sort of enjoyed zero, though it was a bit edgy and I tried watching ubw but hates shirou too much

>>151754926
If you hate Shirou don't bother with the VN

>>151754926
If you hate Shirou then I wouldn't bother.

>>151754926
If you don't like Shiro, watch Kara no Kyokai movies instead

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>>151754644
>tfw my only real use for FGO is wait until next Aprils fools and hope that Riyo will do meme cards for all the new Servants since last year's

Riyo is the best thing to come out of FGO. I like him better than Koka-Ace's dude

>>151754338
Well yeah, sasuga FGOshit.

>>151751088
> If you get an Assassin and aren't retarded

More than not being retarded is more about just FUCKING USING THEM instead of just throwing them into meanless deaths

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>>151754644

>>151755251
>Delete this shit

>>151754517
I'd say the appeal of the nasuverse is how much detail there is about how things work in any given scenario. The rules are laid out very well, to the point you have anons here arguing about hypotheticals for years and years because the information to imagine how things would go is totally there. The stories of course, shit all over the rules but that's the other half of the appeal.

>>151751763
>rather than dual insta-kill NPs?

Well, the insta-kill NP never killed anyone so I say lets give a chance to Wickerman

Why is F/SF so good? Gilgamesh is finally a character thanks to Enkidu and everyone being overpowered, it ties to the Type Moon universe very well, the servants aren't just fanservice, we finally get to see Hercules at his true strength, and the diversity of masters feels like F/Z but grittier and more fucked up.

I wish Narita went faster, but at the same time I don't want him to fuck up. This is just so much better than Apocrypha, or the shit that is Prototype Fragments. Seriously, Arash? Paracelsus? Jekyll? All boring as shit servants, the only saving grace is Ozy, but he's just Gil 2.0. The only way it'll be worth it is if we see Prototype after it, but only if it's heavily rewritten. I just want to see Perseus once and for all.

>>151748406
Against Saber he only didn't kill through a combination of her bullshit luck and because to even THROW his Gay Bulge he was having to fight a Command Seal dedicated order. He was fighting his own negative modifiers when trying to kill her.

With Archer, he literally could have proceeded to trash him after he tanked the thrown version but that's not what he wanted to do.

How is First Order?

>>151748925
The fight is even funny.
You basically got 8 turns to smack the Buddha enough so he'll decide not to let Peace win.

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>tfw good year to be Fate fan
I love you guys

>>151755327
Bazett killed plenty of people in F/HA. I think Lancer did too but honestly I don't remember exactly what happened.

>>151755340
I wanna believe Narita will end FSF on a great note, but Durarara dragged on too long and Baccano's anime was only good because the story never "ending" is part of its main theme. It probably won't be as bad as Apocrypha, but I'm afraid it won't fully live up to the potential. Also at this rate he'll take 10 fucking years to finish it.

Prototype Perseus is the best thing about that shit and he really should just become the main canon Perseus in all Nasuverse, his design is GOAT.

>>151750153
He could beat Saber.
He could try and "brute force" Herc, but the smarter option would be for him to 1VS1 MEFAGGOT Rune Herc, while his master kills Ilya so Herc pops.

The absolute smartest option would be to snipe Ilya himself with certain death but killing a woman and a child at the same time would not sit well with him, since his entire death in his original legend was to get around killing a female royal

>>151754926
Hell no, just watch the shows if you like the characters other than him which might still be frustrating.

I'm enjoying Fate as it is now (Extra, Apocrypha, SF, GO) but didn't like it when it was just SN because it was a shitty bait and switch where they lure you in with the whole "battle royale with heroes from myths" thing and then two of the routes are about some annoying faggot and his asshole future self and NTR worms.

Just watch the shows to get acquainted with everyone else and you can consume other stuff just fine.

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>>151754338
I don't want to sound autist but the genderbend thing gone extremly out of hand.

Characters that are based on myth creatures or that could be reinterpreted or altered due to obscurity in the backgroun like Jack The Ripper or the Mosnter of Frankestain is...acceptable I guess.

But Leonardo Da Vinci or Nobunaga? That is just plain retarded.

>>151755340
>Hey guys, SF 4 will be out before Comic Market winter 2016 (December)!

>Hey guys I'm waiting for Babylon to come out (November) before I even start writing SF 4

Where's Saber Kojiro already? 1 star Assassin is too little for such a cool character. Also I want to see FGO add the Strange/fake characters, especially True Archer.

>>151755569
That "genderbend thing" is the initial premise of FS/N. It can't "get out of hand" if it was the whole point to begin with.

>>151755569
It's a proven fact that Leonardo wanted to be a little girl IRL and in the Nasuverse he's an alchemist and turned himself into a woman while he was still alive (Paracelsus met him while they were alive and he was a woman already)

>>151755660
Why is Hans Christian Andersen a little boy? Honestly curious and you seem like you know shit

>>151755704
Because he is associated with children story

>>151755642
No, no it isn't.

>>151755627
>1 star assassin is too little
Don't underestimate the savior of France, anon.

>>151755340
>yfw you realize SF is the same as Apo but in a different setting
But you're most likely an EOP so you will never find out about it.

>>151755704
Same reason Vlad Tepes is a vampire, despite Dracula meaning son of a dragon and being a zealous christian.

>>151755724
>"associated" with children's stories
>wrote some of the most famous fairy tales of all time
Nigga. Also, I kind of get it, but, does Andersen choose to look like a little boy? Or was it just decided for him because of him writing fairy tales?

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>>151755418
The shitposting will be out of control if the past few threads are any indication. Bt it will be great nonetheless.

>>151755842
Don't think too hard about it and just accept reality

>>151755704
His skill 無辜の怪物 changes his form into what the masses think it is. So he's a little boy with weird shit from his fairy tales on his body like mermaid scales and burn marks and frostbite which he hides.

>>151755642
Saber was the only genderbended character through FSN, Zero, and HA. It started going downhill with Apocrypha with Mordred, Frankenstein, and Jack the Ripper.

>>151750810
>but nothing else would stop it.
Herakles came to say hi.

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>>151755857
>complaining about shitposting
>posts FGO shit
You're forgiven if you're just a Medeafag though.

>>151755340
>we finally get to see Hercules at his true strength
True Archer is only the human part of Heracles, and also is corrupted by the Grail, so he's weaker than real Herc. Which is funny, because he still BTFOs Gil.

>>151755903
I get everything you're saying but it's still kind of stupid. I'm pretty sure "the masses" don't think of Hans Christian Andersen as a little boy with mermaid scales and scars based on his stories. Regardless, like I said, I get it. It's anime, it doesn't have to make sense as long as it's cool

>>151755915
Even then, at least those made some semblance of sense and weren't just pulling out a genderbend while barely bothering to explain. FGO is the big downfall for that and a lot of other shit.
At least FSF has none of that garbage, other than based Prelati who just switched bodies to a loli.

>>151756023
FSF is going to be garbage half way through Narita already freaked out about Enkindu being OP and other shit

>>151755915
Jack the Ripper isn't that Jack, so it's not a genderbended character, anon.
We knew already about Mordred.

>>151756020
In his case it's not really what they think of him and more the influence of his stories on the masses.

The same skill is held by Vlad and Elizabeth and so on and gives them vampire powers because of the stories about them, but in Andersen's case it just makes him suffer (his body is so fucked up that just speaking gives him unbearable pain).

>>151755373
you get to see barechested lancer (caster) wreck some servants

>>151756079
What? How did he not already know about Enkidu being OP? It's been said for the longest time that he was the only one to fight on part with Gil until GoB ran out of weapons.

>>151756079
I don't know why he should care about Enkidu being too strong when he put True Archer in and made him wreck Gilgamesh easily.

>>151755915
Mordred made sense because of her being Saber's child.

It's Extra that fucked up. Nero being recolored Saber is shit, and only there to make Saberfags buy the game; it doesn't help that most Roman servants are shit. Drake is awful, and the same way, it only makes it hurt more that there aren't any good pirate servants.

It didn't only fuck up in genderswaps, there's also the abomination that is Bathory. Pandering at its finest.

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>>151755958
Thank you fellow Medeafag, but you cannot deny that Riyo is the best theme to come out since CP.
The shitposting is fun to watch in it's own way anyway.

>>151748792

>monogatari
>confusing

does not calling your series season 1, 2, 3 etc really confuse people that much

just watch it in the order it came out, with maybe Kizumonogatari first just to get the full view of the background to Tsubasa Cat than what the anime tells you

>>151756259
>True Archer in and made him wreck Gilgamesh easily
Don't blow things out of proportion. All he did was tank GoB for a bit while Gil watched.
Berserker did the same thing until Gil started pulling out the good stuff.

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>>151748122
Get a non-shit Lancer like Hector and yes you can.

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>>151754252
>Play the game
No, you read the VN fag. Its literally stated that Medeas magic has zero effect on Saber and she can ignore it completely.

>>151754252
Given how weak magic medea got, berserker should too just ignore her magic thanks to the buff he has.

>Also wrong
Last time checked, medea ran like a bitch

>>151749298
there are rumours of Rasputin (in the form of Kirei pseudo-servant)

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>Remember that VN that actually sold pretty well
>Let's pull a bazillion spinoffs out of our ass. I'm sure the people will love it
>This shit actually works

What.The.Fuck. How can you get away with this bullshit and actually make money?

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Hey guys you know how Goetia spent 3000 years and had to incinerate all of mankind to pull off his stupid time travel plan?

The 1.5 trailer revealed that this is what it's called, and it's the exact same thing as Aoko's Last Arc in Melty Blood.

Aoko > Goetia

>>151756277
It's not Saber's child, it's actually just a homunculus.
Drake is female because of the Drake/Elizabeth swap thing.
Nero is simply because Saberface had become Fate's mark long before Extra's release, why are you even surprised about her?

>>151751088
We need more pictures of Serenity being clingy.

Is GO the end of TM? Will we never get stories that aren't FSN spin-offs anymore, with Nasu riding the mobage cashcow?

Only read/watched FSN and Zero and now I'm reading about all this stuff shat out beyond that and damn. That's some awful fanfic tier trash.

>>151756526
They've been bringing Tsukihime stuff back. A DA is a master in SF, Primate Murder appeared in GO, and it turns out that the final boss of GO was just trying to replicate something that Aoko does casually.

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>>151756513

>>151756565
>I don't know shit
>I still say my stupid and groundless opinion about said stuff
O-okay.

>>151756512
why is Caesar fat

>>151748122
>Participating in the Holy Grail war
>Get a qt Saber(Arturia), Caster(Medea) or Rider(Medusa) as my servant
>Avoid most of the conflict and fuck them every hour or as much as my cock can take
>Make her a monster with all my magic cum
>Win the Holy Grail
>Ask for a cock that never gets tired so i can fuck my servant for all eternity