Seiren

Why are people going ape shit over this? What about looks so god damn amazing.

>literally copying a promotional image for Amagami SS
This just makes me less interested in it. Amagami sucked ass.

>>151661152
By the same guy who did kimikiss and amagami. They are pure kino in romance anime.

This guy >>151661310 is probably upset it's not an isekai harem or something.

>>151661152
/a/ has a soft spot for Amagami and this is the spiritual successor. The project is also being written by Kisai Takayama who was primary credited for the art, but was actually heavily involved in the writing of Amagami as well.

>>151659719
They all look like a mix of the senpai plus one of the other girls.

At least they got rid of the fat one.

>>151661427

No. I'm upset because Amagami sucked. It was touted as a formula breaking romance with each girl being different. And instead, it was the epitome of formulaic. With each girl going through the same process of having a problem and then falling into the MCs arms when he listened to their sob story. It was a worse example of self insert than harem shows. And a lot of the girls had potential that was killed by being stuck in this formula.

>>151661427
It's not like anime with romance as their main genre can actually be good in the first place.

>>151661788
What could have happened if there was no problems?

>>151661704
>>151659719
Haruka+ imouto
Haruka+rich kouhai
Haruka+Ai
Haruka+class rep
Haruka
Haruka+sex hair

>>151661991

The conflict wasn't the problem. How it was used as a weak excuse for the girl to fall for the MC is the problem. The MC literally just stands there while the girl vents all her problems. Then the girl magically falls in love with him. Not because he said or did anything to improve her situation. But because he was just there at the right moment when she needed a shoulder to cry on.

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>>151659719
Just looked up the writers for Amagami, no word on the ones for Seiren yet? If they're the same, it should be all right.

>>151659719
That looks like generic harem shit to me.

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>>151662250
Center: genki "class idol"

Clockwise from top:
-Tits; squeaky voice; probably stalker's imouto
-Gloomy, uptight Morals Committee prez
-Swim team; ojou-sama
-/v/ - Video Games
-Shy, flat childhood friend "who looks like a middle schooler"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXuiBUKA5yw
Soon.

>>151662340
Kisei Takayama apparently wrote all 12 episodes of Seiren. He was heavily involved in writing the game version of Amagami.

>>151662466
best girl

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>>151662340
>That pantsu glimpse

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>>151662484
Righteous.

>>151659719
>Baggy eyes not one of the first three routes

What's the point?

>>151661152
Nothing, it's just EOPs having a shitfit like they always do.

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The designs are simple and sexy which I like.

I'll be shocked if front right isn't best girl with that smug look on her face, Can't wait.

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Unpleasant reminder.

>>151662708
Are they gay for each other?

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>>151659719
The two at the front are so godlike it's not even funny, no competition

>>151662912
Red circles: first cour
The other three: second cour if ever

>>151659719

The ara girl at the top is the only one who stands out.

>>151662708
No baggy eyes

No swimming sexhair

No tits

Why even bother?

>hyping this garbage

>>151663149
Brown-haired Irohasu
Gamer gf
Eager-to-please childhood friend

>>151663480
>Irohasu
Alright, I'm in.

>>151662261
But anon, you are objectively wrong. Seeing your posts you haven't even seen the show. Please proceed to kill yourself.

>>151664247

>objectively
Don't even need to read the rest of your post to know you're the one who is wrong.

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>>151664770
Considering that the very first route in the show is about Junichi and Haruka doing retarded shit together and her falling for him with no drama inbetween (just the last scnee at the very end where her insecurity is shown, which was pretty important for her character) I don't know what else could I add to this "argument". You don't even need to admit that you are just shitposting because it is bright as day anon.

>>151662708
I hate how baggy eyes doesn't have route (yet), she has the best voice and her design is very much down my alley.

>>151665577
I'm more upset ponytail sexhair isn't getting a route. Her and baggy eyes are the highest tier of girl

>>151661310
Amagami was the greatest male-oriented romance anime ever made.

>>151665207

>Considering that the very first route in the show is about Junichi and Haruka doing retarded shit together and her falling for him with no drama inbetween
The drama is all in the last episode of their arc. And just like that guy described, it was literally just the MC standing there while she vented her frustrations for 10 minutes. Then they hug and implied sex. Then the next arc comes and its the exact same thing. Girl has massive daddy issues and vents it all on the MC. The MC does nothing to make her feel better aside from just being there to listen to her problem. Repeat for each arc with the only major difference being Rihoko (which is a totally different example of shitty writing).

And each arc also has a pointless fetish scene. As if a girl showing off her belly button is suppose to be character development and not just blatant pandering to the male audience.

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>>151665741

>>151661788
I completely disagree.

Amagami was great for the very reason why it was unambitious in that regard. It was a refreshingly modest show, which had no lofty ambitions of providing a deep study of human nature or something which it could never possibly meet. Its ambition was to entertain the viewer with a series of saccharine, idealistic romance stories. The makers saw themselves as craftsmen first rather than high artists with oh-so-important things to tell that anything else needs to submit to their ambition. And through their masterful craftsmanship they delivered something so surprisingly complete and well-rounded that it can stand on its own feet, sticking out among all those much more ambitious and pretentious shows that ultimately fall short. Amagami is a work of humility, that honestly wants to entertain the audience by giving them exactly what they want. And this love for the audience is something that comes back, leading to the show being still discussed after all this time - not only on /a/ but also on Japanese boards like Nijiura.

>>151665847
Read the fucking original message of the anon, anon. He claimed that the girls fall for him cause he is there to listen to their shit. Now the problem is that Haruka was already in love with MC when the drama happened.

Also, no matter how much people don't like the Sae arc, drama is non existent there. Obviously that route is full of big boob gags but still.

>>151665847
>blatant pandering to the male audience
That's what makes it such a good show.

It's not ashamed of what it is, but it proudly delivers exactly what the audience came to see.

>>151666592

I like Amagami. But there's dozens if not hundreds of shows that do ecchi better than Amagami. And some have better character stories as well.

Amagami tried to do both, but each part was lacking.

Please do not take the bait.

>>151666728
>there's dozens if not hundreds of shows that do ecchi better than Amagami.
>And some have better character stories as well.
The point is that Amagami does both. And it does so in an omnibus format where pretty much everyone can find a girl he likes. Other shows are hit and miss, Amagami has something to offer for everyone. And that's what makes it special.

>>151662708
>slut
>plain yogurt
>gaymore grill

Disgusting line up.
Dropped. Call me if this shit gets S2.

>>151666847

>The point is that Amagami does both.

Read the second line of my post.

>Amagami has something to offer for everyone.
No it really doesn't. Especially since it pretty much slapped Rihoko fans in the face.

>>151665678
I'm don't like the lack of sexhair too. I have tendency to like people who practice swimming.

Here's a suggestion. Give each girl 8-9 episodes instead of 4. Then whatever girls don't get an arc in season 1, they will appear in season 2. Also don't start with the most popular girl.

All of these things would have made Amagami better.

>>151667014
>Read the second line of my post.
It's wrong, because of what I told you. A show is more than the sum of each parts, and even though other shows handle individual aspects better if they happen to meet your tastes, Amagami still delivered the most complete experience you can find. Ecchi shows are usually lacking in the romance department, romance shows are usually lacking choice (even worse when they have harem elements, with certain girls designated as losers).

You won't find a show that delivers a more 'complete' experience than Amagami.

>No it really doesn't. Especially since it pretty much slapped Rihoko fans in the face.
Utter nonsense. Rihoko's route wasn't that bad and she got her 'good' ending in the second season.

>>151667093
>Give each girl 8-9 episodes instead of 4
>unironically wanting melodrama or filler

>>151667093
Morishima was not the most popular girl, Ai was. And the cover-girl was Tsukasa. Also, I'd argue that four episodes are enough. In a regular romance/harem show you don't have more screentime for each girl either, because they usually waste more time with harem banter and other kinds of drama. Amagami was completely focussed on the relationship between the main girl and the MC.

>>151659719
It's going to have a hard time living up to Amagami but it looks promising enough.

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>>151667283

>It's wrong, because of what I told you.
You repeated the same thing I did. But then went on to say you thought that's what made it good. Obviously we disagree about the specifics. So neither of us can be 'wrong' about our opinion.

>A show is more than the sum of each parts
No. A show literally is the sum of all its parts. Two weak parts do not add up to one great show.

>and even though other shows handle individual aspects better if they happen to meet your tastes, Amagami still delivered the most complete experience you can find.
No, this is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. There are shows out there that did both fanservice and character development better than Amagami did. For fucks sake, a show that came out this year with only 3 minute episodes did it better. And it also had an omnibus format. They were able to have more character and emotion in 3 minutes for each girl than Amagami could do in 90 minutes for each girl.

>Rihoko's route wasn't that bad and she got her 'good' ending in the second season.
That's pretty sad anon. Having to redo the arc a second time just to make it decent.

>>151667376

Haruka got the most porn and advertising focus. She was treated as the defacto 'main' girl. Where was Ai considered the most popular?

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>>151659719
We don't really need a thread or anything since no news but whatever.

>>151668004

>she doesn't look like this in official art

>>151667674
>So neither of us can be 'wrong' about our opinion.
Except for the part where mine is substantiated by an actual argument.

>No. A show literally is the sum of all its parts.
No, this is utter nonsense and only betrays a complete lack of understanding. The overall experience is not defined by meeting marks on a checklist. If you do ecchi exceptionally well - better than any show handled ecchi before - you're going to leave a completely different experience on your audience than a show that handles romance or action exceptionally well to the same degree as the aforementioned show handled action. These are orthogonal concepts.

>For fucks sake, a show that came out this year with only 3 minute episodes did it better.
No. The short time frame alone results in an experience that is simply not comparable. We're still having Amagami threads on more than weekly basis - Japan does so too. Do you see that happening for Tawawa? Amagami passed the test of time. The show itself is a monument of its quality and your individual opinion lacks the weight to challenge that.

>That's pretty sad anon. Having to redo the arc a second time just to make it decent.
As I said: I've enjoyed her arc the way it was. In my opinion the whole drama about it was blown out of proportion.

>>151659719
I'm looking forward to watching Seiren this season. I enjoyed Amagami SS, and I would love to enjoy this one as well. Hopefully Kisai Takayama can create interesting stories as creating an original tv series is different than creating a visual novel.

>>151667798
>Haruka got the most porn and advertising focus.
Again: Tsukasa was the cover girl. Ai was the most popular in polls.

Keep in mind that Amagami is based on a PS2 dating sim which came out way before the show.

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>>151668092
They didn't want her to be best girl

>>151659719
Will this be better or worse than Amagami?

>>151668092
>rihoko
>fat
>she's a fucking chopstick in the game and in the anime

Anime logic.

>>151668142

>The short time frame alone results in an experience that is simply not comparable.
You can flip that around and claim that simply having more time with each girl doesn't mean that time is utilized well. This is exactly what I was trying to point out when comparing Amagami to Tawawa. Its obvious you won't agree with that view, but you will have to accept that someone can have this view. And not everyone thinks Amagami is a balanced and complete experience like you have claimed.

Not even going to respond to your other points Since you're now going down the 'well my points are backed up with actual argument' route.

>>151668682

Pretty sure that's not Rihoko. But I agree. Its dumb that Rihoko gets labeled as fat.

>>151668855
No, I'm just saying it's not their first time depicting the THICC as a stickinsect. Not even in the first time for the series, yeah.

It's so common now I don't even get mad, I just cri for my HIGH TEST that never gets release.

>>151668728
>You can flip that around and claim that simply having more time with each girl doesn't mean that time is utilized well.
Even if I was in agreement that Tawawa handled things better (and it most certainly did not), the time frame is simply not enough for a fully satisfying experience. It's an appetiser that leaves you wanting more at best.

>And not everyone thinks Amagami is a balanced and complete experience like you have claimed.
Which might as well be your singular opinion.

>>151668004
I agree. We already had a Seiren thread not too long ago that reached bump limit. The threads when it airs will have more substantial meat to chew on and discuss.

>>151668004
We can discuss how genki is best type and how she's going to be best girl

>>151669295

>Even if I was in agreement that Tawawa handled things better (and it most certainly did not), the time frame is simply not enough for a fully satisfying experience. It's an appetiser that leaves you wanting more at best.
Its better to have something good that leaves you wanting more than a longer experience that is lacking.

>Which might as well be your singular opinion.
Except it wasn't. I had multiple points. But the fact that you keep saying stuff like this shows why I'm not bothering to argue any more about it. Three wise monkeys and all that.

>>151669627
>Its better to have something good that leaves you wanting more than a longer experience that is lacking.
Assuming that is is lacking in the first place.

I maintain the position that Amagami has passed the test of time already. While it might not appeal to you in particular, I still maintain the position that it is the most well-rounded show of its kind you will find - and its popularity proves my point.

>Except it wasn't. I had multiple points.
Which I have addressed.

>>151668142

Are you seriously claiming a shows length is proportionally equal to its quality? You realize there's 200 episode anime that have the depth of a 1 episode OAV, right?

>>151669295

What if they came out with a full length Tawawa series later? And suddenly it had the same amount or more episodes of Amagami? You'd have a lot of egg on your face.

Please do not take the bait.

>>151669877

>Assuming that is is lacking in the first place.
Which brings us back to the point I made three posts ago. It comes down to our individual opinions. So there's really not much more to argue about. I thought Amagami was lacking, you thought it was perfect. Might as well leave it at that.

>Which I have addressed.
Not really but again, that has to do with the point I made above in this post. No point in continuing to argue since we're not gonna change each others view.

>>151669976
>Are you seriously claiming a shows length is proportionally equal to its quality? You realize there's 200 episode anime that have the depth of a 1 episode OAV, right?
Are you denying that length has a quality of its own? Do you think you could have told something akin to LOGH within fewer episodes? No, you couldn't. You could have crammed the same amount of information into less episodes, but you would have left a completely different experience on the viewer.

>What if they came out with a full length Tawawa series later?
We can worry about that when it happens.

>>151670139
>you thought it was perfect.
I never used the word perfect. I expressed myself quite clearly in regard to why I think Amagami surpasses many shows that are somewhat alike.

>Not really
Yes, really.

>No point in continuing to argue since we're not gonna change each others view.
Nonsense. One does not just argue to change other peoples' minds but also to reasonably understand other peoples' points of view and also find out more about ones own in the process.

>>151670176

>Do you think you could have told something akin to LOGH within fewer episodes?
Actually there are some arcs of LoGH that even fans would say dragged on compared to the good arcs. This just shows that the longer a work goes on, the greater the chance that it will have flaws. Naruto obviously being the ultimate example of this. Its long as hell. Doesn't make it good.

You're just proving the point that length doesn't equal quality. And like that other anon said, something that is too short but consistently good is better than something long with flaws.

>>151670387

>but also to reasonably understand other peoples' points of view
But there's no point to continue the argument when the other person just claims their opinion is 'substantiated by an actual argument.' Implying the other person doesn't have an argument from the start. This is why I'm not going to respond to you any more after this post. Bye.

>>151670454
>You're just proving the point that length doesn't equal quality.
And you apparently haven't read attentively.

I said
>length has a quality of its own

This does not imply that length guarantees you 'high' quality, it implies that length adds 'a' certain qualitative property. Whether that works out well depends on how you make use of time. However, the fact that you can make use of time (which you obviously can't if time is not at your disposal) allows you to do certain things which you couldn't do otherwise.

Whether you could have dropped some episodes in LOGH does not change that you couldn't tell the same story within a movie without delivering an entirely different experience.

>>151670613
>This is why I'm not going to respond to you any more after this post. Bye.
This is usually the response of people who got told.

>>151659719
Twin tails best girl

>>151671020

>length has a quality of its own
>This does not imply that length guarantees you 'high' quality

You're literally trying to argue that length itself makes something inherently better just by itself. But then acknowledge that length does not always equate to quality, proving your own point wrong.

I did read your point 'attentively'. And you just ran circles around yourself. The length of Amagami is not good by itself. It hinges on the content put into that time span being good. Which that other anon was arguing its not. And I would agree. Amagami had a few good moments. But 10 minutes of good in a 200 minute show is a weak fucking show.

Amagami gave me cancer. Any attempt to continue it will surely cement 2017 as the worst year in recorded history

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謹　きん
賀　が
新　セイ
年　レン
！

>>151671639
>You're literally trying to argue that length itself makes something inherently better just by itself.
No, you're clearly not reading attentively or you don't know that the term 'quality' does not equal what one means when he attributes something to be of 'high quality'. Low quality is a kind of quality too.

What I'm saying is that length has a qualitative property. If something has a certain length it will leave a different impression on the viewer than when something is short. By no means this does imply that if you make something longer it will be better. It does however imply that if you make something longer it will be 'different' in a qualitative sense. It will leave a different impression on the viewer.

Length allows you to do things which you cannot do otherwise. LOGH could not be told in 3 minute shorts - even under the assumption that you could condense the central points it makes. It could not be told within a two hours movie even. The viewing experience would be entirely different.

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Wasn't there a preview screening? Or is that a different one this season.

>>151672403
There was. It seems the MC is okay.

>>151672403
There was at comiket. Reception seemed good.

>>151662261
>>151664770
>>151665847
>>151661152
>>151661788
>BAWWWW THE GIRLS JUST LIKE JUNICHI BECAUSE HE LISTENS TO THEIR PROBLEMS BAWWWW
Literally the only arc that would apply to is Kaoru's, and they were already bros.

-Haruka falls in love with him because he's persistent with her, makes her blush, and knows how to play around
-Rihoko is already in love with him
-Sae doesn't even have any issues to deal with
-Ai falls in love with him just by spending time with him
-Tsukasa's issues are only tackled by Junichi AFTER they're dating

>>151672174

>What I'm saying is that length has a qualitative property. If something has a certain length it will leave a different impression on the viewer than when something is short. By no means this does imply that if you make something longer it will be better. It does however imply that if you make something longer it will be 'different' in a qualitative sense. It will leave a different impression on the viewer.
But this was never the point you made above. You were hinting at it, but always used it as a vague defense of your claims that Amagami was better just because it was longer. Which that specific point was and is wrong.

Now that you've finally separated the two (after being forced through argument), we can finally end this stupid argument. Since like the other anon pointed out, the only thing you have left is your opinion that Amagami is good.

>>151672623

You do realize that even though each girl has a different motive, the trigger they all share is spending time with the MC. And aside from maybe Sae, they end up falling for the MC for pretty shallow reasons. And with little to no action on his part.

Every arc can kind of be explained as 'the MC was in the right place at the right time to get noticed by a girl'. He didn't have to work to get noticed. The story was just going to have the girl like him either way. This is a common complaint people have with other love stories, especially harems. But it amazes me how Amagami fans think their show is so vastly different and doesn't have this problem. The omnibus format didn't remove this problem. It made the problem worse.

>>151673068
>their show is so vastly different

Nobody is touting that unless they're genuinely retarded. Amagami is just a fun little romance show. It's not this wonderfully and expertly crafted work of genius that changes anime forever, it wasn't trying to in the first place

And god forbid a series based on a dating sim where the females fall in love with a MC be much like a dating sim where they fall in love with the MC.

>>151673068
>they end up falling for the MC for pretty shallow reasons
Holy fucking shit, what reasons would be good enough for you? Does he have to heroically save their life from terrorists or something? How exactly do you think people end up falling in love in real life?

People don't need storybook reasons to fall in love; they fall in love with each other based on looks and getting to know each other.

> He didn't have to work to get noticed. The story was just going to have the girl like him either way. This is a common complaint people have with other love stories
I think what your faggot ass is trying to say is "THEY LIKE HIM FOR NO REASON". You seem to be overlooking that Junichi isn't some loser. He's good looking, does alright in at least some subjects at school, is in decent shape, comes from a nice family, and has a personality. It's not really strange that girls like him.

You're one of those people who complain about "neckbeards" and their fantasies, but you're the one who's completely out of touch with reality. You have no idea what normal human interaction is, and you think that guys only get girls if they're superheroes or something.

>>151673529
Stop agreeing with him, faggot. Amagami is NOT like a harem where the girls like some beta loser for no reason. If you can watch Amagami and ask yourself

>What do the girls see in him?

you're the one who's out of touch.

>>151673529

>Nobody is touting that unless they're genuinely retarded. Amagami is just a fun little romance show. It's not this wonderfully and expertly crafted work of genius that changes anime forever
Well one guy in this thread is trying to act like it is. At least that it is a lot deeper than a fun romance show.

>>151673657
I'm not agreeing with him. He just seemed angry that a show that focuses on romance focused on romance, even if the romance was from a dating sim, which usually aren't the "deepest" or most realistic of romances but they're written for fun

>>151673068
>the trigger they all share is spending time with the MC
So a person fell in love with another after spending time with that person? No shit.

>>151673825
Nobody is trying to say it's deep. But it's also not just pure male fantasy, either. The Amagami MC actually feels like a real guy who you'd see out dating. He's not some otaku with a figurine collection.

>>15167387
And compared to other MCs from other dating sims, Junichi's a much better character.

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>>151673569

>Holy fucking shit, what reasons would be good enough for you?
Not the reason but the development. They could have a totally shallow reason like they did for Haruka. But if they showed development to why she went from teasing him as a joke to liking him, it would be fine. Instead, you have three episodes of her leading him on and then all of the sudden in episode 4, she's so madly in love with him she wants to marry him. There was no progression to it.

>I think what your faggot ass is trying to say is "THEY LIKE HIM FOR NO REASON". You seem to be overlooking that Junichi isn't some loser.
Except a few of the girls call him generic and one does consider him a loser. This changes over time as the girls go from mocking him to loving him. But this transition is so sudden and forced that it destroys the entire self insert illusion.

>>151673991
Meant for >>151673875

>>151672825
>But this was never the point you made above.
This was the essence of my argument. You tried to turn it into a general statement, which was not the case.

>Amagami was better just because it was longer.
Yes. I argued in the particular case that for a satisfying romance story you need a certain amount of time. Shorts are best for eye-candy akin to AIURA, but not the best for storytelling.

>the only thing you have left is your opinion that Amagami is good.
Which unlike your point is backed by actual arguments. Your point is "Amagami isn't good because I didn't like it".

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>>151673991
Seriously. He's proactive, has a social life, and is pretty funny, honestly.

>>151674207
This. Oddly enough, at the same time he's a loser enough for the audience to relate.

>>151674030
>forced
Okay, you're a fucking idiot.

>>151673068
You make it sound like girls are complex beings that need a lot of wooing for them to fall in love.

>>151674205

>This was the essence of my argument.
Which is why I kept harping on it.

>You tried to turn it into a general statement, which was not the case.
I think you mean the other guy. I didn't try to make it a general statement. I was trying to make you see that a shows length is not separate from its content. Which you finally admitted yourself a few posts ago.

>I argued in the particular case that for a satisfying romance story you need a certain amount of time.
But the other anon pointed out that Amagami didn't utilize its time well. Again, its not about how long a show is, but what content it has. His example of Tawawa was a good one since it was able to do more with a few minutes than Amagami could do in four episodes. There's entire episodes of Amagami devoted just to a girl showing her midriff, but that doesn't develop the story or characters. While Tawawa is able to have an ecchi scene that also develops the character.

>Which unlike your point is backed by actual arguments.
I'm making arguments. You're just choosing to claim they don't matter. I'm starting to see why the other anon stopped talking to you. I bet you'll ignore the bulk of my points in this post as well and just keep whining that I'm not reading 'attentively'.

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>>151674342

>gonna ignore a persons entire post because of on word

>>151673569
>You're one of those people who complain about "neckbeards" and their fantasies, but you're the one who's completely out of touch with reality. You have no idea what normal human interaction is, and you think that guys only get girls if they're superheroes or something.
This.

It really surprises me how the people who often complain the loudest about "pandering" have often not the slightest idea how real world social interaction works and under what kind of premises people meet and fall for each other. The idea that you had to perform some kind of outlandish feats in order to be 'worthy' of female attention is utterly ridiculous. Romantic attraction is not a thing of reason and most people won't be able to pin-point why exactly they like each other. It usually comes down to mere chemistry and the circumstances under which they fall in love are in most cases painfully banal rather than romantic. And the idea that great chivalric deeds are rewarded with attention, love and sex is one that only exists in the head of 'nice guys' who think that sexual attraction is just one step away from friendship and they could 'befriend' their way into a girl's pants rather than coming to the truthful realisation that friendship and sexual attraction can and often do coexist and are ultimately fundamentally different things.

>>151673569
>>151674887

You guys are making baseless extremes just like he is. The fact that you have to start making wild assumptions about him, when he made no such claims or even hinted such things, means you have an equally weak point.

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Fattass deserves bullying for her shitty arc

>>151675185

>anime girl deserves to be bullied because the writer ruined her arc
Amagami logic.

>>151674030
>and one does consider him a loser
Tsukasa, and ironically, their love progression is among the most believable. They share a secret together and work side-by-side late hours into the night for weeks.

>>151674614
I merely explained to you that what you believed I said was something I never said but a consequence of you not reading attentively.

The point remains that length introduces a quality of its own and that you cannot give your viewer certain kinds of viewing experiences if you lack the time for them. This is something I said from the very beginning and there is nothing for me to 'admit' or put in perspective.

If you're not in disagreement here, then I don't see what you are arguing.

>But the other anon pointed out that Amagami didn't utilize its time well.
Which might as well be "that other anon's" opinion, but he failed to elaborate on why the show utilised its time 'poorly'.

>it was able to do more with a few minutes than Amagami could do in four episodes
While at the same time delivering an entirely different experience. Tawawa does not present the viewer an idealistic high school romance.

>There's entire episodes of Amagami devoted just to a girl showing her midriff, but that doesn't develop the story or characters.
But it does. How does it not develop her character if it is embedded within a narrative? The idea that fanservice was separate from the plot and character development itself is a nonsensical idea.

>I'm starting to see why the other anon stopped talking to you. I bet you'll ignore the bulk of my points in this post as well and just keep whining that I'm not reading 'attentively'.
Well, that "other anon" - who is certainly a different person - was an obvious idiot who got told. He asserted a bunch of points, then I told him precisely why he was wrong and upon coming to the realisation that he had very little to reply he stopped responding to me like a little faggot. Since you seem a similar kind of moron, I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up doing the same after getting told.

>>151675525

Pretty sure Haruka considers him a loser at the beginning as well. Or at least someone below her social standing.

I hate the omnibus format

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>>151675913
Don't slander Haruka like that. She doesn't have such malicious thoughts, like thinking she's better than other people.

She's just a big kitty who wants to have fun. She lives in the moment and doesn't give deep thought to things like that.

>>151675913
Haruka does not seem fully aware of her popularity, which does not seem all that strange to me. To someone like her, who was born extraordinarily good looking and into a rich family, it must be the most natural thing in the world. Juunichi is someone who she regarded unattractive at first, as she was looking for someone more mature. Juunichi, who was like a puppy to her did not embody that maturity she thought she was looking for.

The question is: did Juunichi become a more mature person? Did he gain her attention by 'manning up'?

Personally, I don't think so. He tried his best, but he ended up being her puppy. That knee-licking scene only confirmed this. A puppy was exactly what she was looking for though. A cute and inoffensive guy who would go along with her shenanigans rather than some mature and grown-up guy who would possibly bore her.

>>151676415
In my opinion, 12 episodes is too long to tell a drama-free romance. Four episodes is short, but I'd take short and happy over long and forced drama.

>>151676625
>Four episodes is short, but I'd take short and happy over long and forced drama.
This.

Part of what makes Amagami so fun is that it's mostly drama free.

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>>151676552
I disagree to some extent. Their epilogue and Plus arc shows that she still likes manliness.

>she loves the fact that he's a policeman and promises to protect her
>she tries to train him into being a more assertive husband
>she drops hints so he'll propose to her, rather than just telling him to do so

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Short note before I get to the main point of these posts: As you can see with the picture I attached, we're at 90.5% now and finished Kaoru's scripts. I will have a short blog post on that later this weekend.

Last thread, >> 151633335 asked why Takayama split with Enterbrain. There was discussion and a lot of speculation without much fact about why this was the case. Unfortunately, this isn't something that will get brought up in the blog but well, I wanted to initially talk only a little but I ended up writing up an essay as I usually do explaining the whole thing. I'm just hoping to mostly bring some concrete facts a a little bit of speculation to explain the messed up history. Most of this is prior research I did before starting the project.

In any case, as indicated in my December blog post, Takayama started out doing games under Beats Laboratory and Game Club with an older dating sim franchise called True Love Story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Love_Story
The two studios he worked with were game production studios owned by ASCII, which was an independent company back in the day who primarily published IT and computer based magazines. ASCII had branched off and started doing software and hardware services for game consoles and companies. In any case, you can read more about the company in the Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_(company)

ASCII also made games as well which was how it owned the two studios. But unfortunately, due to diversifying and expanding too fast, the company brought on a lot of debt and wasn’t making money. They had to get bailed out by another company and a private equity fund with ownership and restructuring involved. The games unit was spun off of ASCII as a result and was brought by Enterbrain/Kadokawa, who then was able to get Takayama into Enterbrain. The other part of ASCII, with the publishing and services, was eventually sold later in 2002 and picked up by Kadokawa later as a subsidiary.

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>>151676927
To a certain extent that may be right but I would argue that even in the epilogue they seem more on equal terms (Haruka still being the more assertive one of the two). Haruka wants him to be more pro-active but she does not want him to fully take lead - if anything, she wants him to become her equal.

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In any case, Enterbrain then continued with making dating sims with no real problems. They rounded out True Love Story with two other entries and then after, made Kimikiss and then Amagami. Under Enterbrain, it is logical to conclude that the staff making the game had a high degree of autonomy and was able to do their own thing without any bureaucracy to block them from doing so.

So where did this go wrong? Well, Kadokawa started to restructure itself to eliminate inefficiencies and merge similar divisions doing the same thing to become more profitable for shareholders as with most public companies. In this process, Kadokawa merged all the video gaming divisions that they owned from different subsidiaries, the two main ones being ASCII Media Works and Enterbrain, into a new unit, Kadokawa Games, in 2011, although the unit was formed earlier in 2009. Kadokawa eventually just merges themselves into a gigantic company anyways in 2013 and then later merges with Niconico which brings us to the present day Kadokawa Dwango. Regardless, this action eventually in 2013 effectively brings every subsidiary that the company owned under more control by virtue of the fact that the different subsidiaries became different internal company divisions.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-03-28/kadokawa-to-merge-9-subsidiaries-into-1-company

So after the dust settles with the reorganization of the games unit of many different company subsidiaries under one single unit, there's a big problem for the staff at Enterbrain. Enterbrain never really made a ton of games by itself with its studios. It mainly was in the publishing business for games and magazines with Famitsu being the main product for that company. Enterbrain in terms of games did horse-racing and fishing simulators and RPG-Maker, arguably what they are best known for in the West, and the dating sims. Each one of those were niche products but they were niche products that sold well.

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ASCII Media Works, on the other hand, had been doing a lot more games production with a larger team since it was formed out of merging MediaWorks with the publishing aspect of ASCII in 2008. Since they were also in the manga and LN business, the subsidiary did a lot of development and publishing as MediaWorks and as ASCII Media Works. One might ask why ASCII wasn’t merged with Enterbrain instead at this point but no one really knows. In any case, Wikipedia makes this clear if you read the wiki entry and you can also see the list of games ASCII Media Works made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_Media_Works#Video_games

So this can only be speculated upon but because of this fact, Kadokawa decided that people from ASCII Media Works would have more important roles in the new unit over the people from Enterbrain which as a big company, sales and numbers are the only thing that mattered in this case. So as a result of this, we had two things happen. Amagami EbiKore+ was published under Kadokawa Games which is why their logo appears in the start screen for that version. But on the other hand, going forward, one can imagine what this arrangement would have led to inside the company division where people would’ve had to had heated discussions on how the spiritual successor to Amagami at the time after Amagami EbiKore+ was released was going to be made. I’m not going to speculate on personal feelings and motives as some might have done, but this led to two things as far as the public can see.

Photokano was made and Takayama was not credited at all in it and while some of the things in the game are similar to how Amagami was, it was clearly void of his influence. Takayama also stepped back from working with Kadokawa on these games, although he still clearly has some connections to the company or Medb in Fate/Grand Order and getting permission to make Seiren wouldn’t have happened.

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>>151675845

>The point remains that length introduces a quality of its own
Not if the content in that length is lackluster. Then that length becomes a negative. Which is the point you keep ignoring. You should be able to at least acknowledge this as it doesn't tie to Amagami itself being good or bad. And the fact that you already fucking said it yourself. But choose to then combine both back together whenever it suits your argument.

>but he failed to elaborate on why the show utilised its time 'poorly'.
Then look at my post up at >>151674030 Which I notice people are conveniently ignoring.

>While at the same time delivering an entirely different experience. Tawawa does not present the viewer an idealistic high school romance.
You're right. Its not limited to just high school. It delivers a view of an idealistic romance between four different couples of different ages and occupations. In this way, it actually has more variety than Amagami.

>How does it not develop her character if it is embedded within a narrative? The idea that fanservice was separate from the plot and character development itself is a nonsensical idea.
I think I found your problem. You seem to be implying that just because a show does something, it automatically counts as development. But if we took that argument, then something universally considered bad like the Star Wars prequels could be considered good. They spend hours having Anakin and Padme interact. Touching each other, kissing and talking about vague concepts. But almost anyone would agree this is a bad example of development. So much so that it was actually detrimental to what it was trying to accomplish. And I'm saying Amagami had examples of the same thing. Not quite as severe as the Star Wars prequels. But still examples where an ecchi scene did not develop the characters relationships or motives. It was just there for the audience.

>that other anon got told because I said so
Wow. What a master debater.

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But as far as I can see, Kadokawa and Enterbrain to a degree still loves Amagami. The picture I attached was from Kadokawa’s investor Annual Report in 2011, the same year Amagami EbiKore+ was released. And Enterbrain still displays the game on its English profile for software/games they have made despite the game being dirt old.

https://www.enterbrain.co.jp/corporate/goods-soft_e.html

But yes, good luck convincing the company out of doing what they are doing now with their dating sims continuing on from Photokano and making Recolove by pure virtue of momentum and sticking with numbers.

The size of the company actually worries me the most coming from my perspective heading the translation project and it’s actually one of the reasons we’ve tried not to attract too much attention. I'm only being a tad more public now because we are nearing the end of translation and inevitably, there will be increased attention on us after that. That will really be the true test of whether or not the whole thing was for naught. But I hope this essay of sorts clears up the whole situation. Sorry for the botched formatting on the first post.

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>>151677223
>we're at 90.5%
Thank you for your hard work.

>>151675845

>How does it not develop her character if it is embedded within a narrative?
Are you seriously suggesting all ecchi has a point just because its part of the story? Wow. Queen's Blade and Qwazer is suddenly a lot deeper than I thought.

>>151677722
Just playing double's advocate, but the belly kissing scene showed that Kaoru and Junichi were close buddies who joke around a lot, and the back knee kissing scene showed that Haruka's playfulness can get her into trouble.

>>151677460
>Not if the content in that length is lackluster. Then that length becomes a negative.
What you retarded faggot still don't get - even after me telling you this twice is that 'quality' is a word that does not just describe whether something is good or bad.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quality

>(countable) A property or an attribute that differentiates a thing or person.  [quotations ▼]

>One of the qualities of pure iron is that it does not rust easily.‎
>While being impulsive can be great for artists, it is not a desirable quality for engineers.‎
>Security, stability, and efficiency are good qualities of an operating system.‎

I'm not saying that length results in a better anime, I'm saying that length results in a different anime. For a certain viewing experience a certain length is a requirement however. I maintain the position that a romance anime needs a certain amount of time to elaborate in order to be satisfying.

>Then look at my post up at >>151674030 Which I notice people are conveniently ignoring.
I see two replies (none from me, I might add - but the post was not a reply for me neither).

>It delivers a view of an idealistic romance between four different couples of different ages and occupations. In this way, it actually has more variety than Amagami.
Which is not what watch Amagami for. I watch Amagami to be presented an idealistic high school romance.

>examples where an ecchi scene did not develop the characters relationships or motives
Except it does. The characters get closer to each other and take their relationship to a physical level. They carefully do so, in a slightly kinky but not yet fully sexual fashion while at the same time delivering to the audience what it wants to see.

>Wow. What a master debater.
Indeed. And it surprises me to which extent you're willing to defend "that other anon". Is he related to you by chance?

>>151677722
See >>151676552 where the knee-licking is addressed within the context of the plot. Also see >>151677913. The point is that fanservice is not just that, it may as well be embedded in the narrative and fulfil a certain purpose within it. It's not necessarily just for the audience.

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>>151677532
any plans on translating the fandiscs?

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>>151678623

We initially wanted to but the main project took so long that I think the translators left will not be willing to do them. I haven't really decided what is going to happen but the translators have the final say on that and it is unlikely I can give a definite yes or no. But it is unfortunately leaning towards no.

They aren't really that long and the scripts are written in Kirikiri 2, which is why the Chinese translated the fan discs before the actual game itself in 2012/13.

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>>151678953
Not him, but thank you for the update.

Maybe one day more people will be able to experience Sensei's, Miya's, and Hibiki's routes for themselves.

>>151678171

>What you retarded faggot still don't get
You're just not reading my post 'attentively' enough.

>I'm not saying that length results in a better anime, I'm saying that length results in a different anime.
You can keep repeating this over and over. And I'll just keep repeating my point. Length by itself is pointless, as I have provided examples to many times. I also don't know why you keep focusing on this so much since it doesn't add to the rest of your argument about Amagami. In fact, continuing to insist that length is separate from content just bolsters the point I've been making from the start.

>I see two replies (none from me, I might add - but the post was not a reply for me neither).
But you're also not going to reply to the points I made I see.

>Which is not what watch Amagami for. I watch Amagami to be presented an idealistic high school romance.
Okay. Not circle back. The other anon compared Tawawa to Amagami on a CONTENT level. Pointing out that a show with a smaller length can have better CONTENT.

And this is the part where you start harping back on length to avoid having to explain the content of Amagami.

>Except it does. The characters get closer to each other and take their relationship to a physical level. They carefully do so, in a slightly kinky but not yet fully sexual fashion while at the same time delivering to the audience what it wants to see.
But long ago you claimed Amagami did this better than any other show. Which two people disagreed with. This was the core of your argument before you started focusing on length makes a show different. Rather convenient how you can make a definitive statement that Amagami is the best at something, but then any show that doesn't match the exact content of Amagami can't be compared to it.

>Indeed. And it surprises me to which extent you're willing to defend "that other anon". Is he related to you by chance?
No. But I'm about ready to just stop responding to you like he did.

Is this yuri?

>>151678306
>>151677913

Still seems like a pretty shallow example of ecchi. Which by itself would be fine. Amagami doesn't have to be a super deep story. But then that other anon claimed it did something everyone can like. And went one step further and claimed it was the most 'complete' experience for what it did. This is putting it on a pedestal that many people will not agree with.

>>151679616
100% hetero

>>151679272
>You can keep repeating this over and over. And I'll just keep repeating my point. Length by itself is pointless, as I have provided examples to many times.
The difference between us however is that you are apparently literally unable to understand what I said because your claim is completely unrelated. Yes, length by itself is pointless if it's not used properly - this is nothing I am in disagreement with.

My point is: there are certain things which require a certain length.

Length does not guarantee you a good anime and in the same sense a lack of length does not result in a bad anime by necessity. However, a certain kind of anime is impossible to make without a certain kind of length. You could not turn LOGH into shorts and in the same sense you could not turn Amagami into shorts. Perhaps it would still be good - who knows - but it most certainly would be different enough to not function as a substitute.

>I also don't know why you keep focusing on this so much
The argument would already be over if you were a bit smarter. I don't even think you fundamentally disagree with me - I think you are too retarded to get my point.

>But you're also not going to reply to the points I made I see.
Perhaps I will. But there are other things to discuss first. I might come back at them later.

>Pointing out that a show with a smaller length can have better CONTENT.
Perhaps, but I'd like it a bit more practical than that. What is meant by 'content' and how is it 'better'?

>And this is the part where you start harping back on length to avoid having to explain the content of Amagami.
I merely said that you can't have a satisfactory romantic anime in 3 minute shorts. You have a small glimpse at two peoples' lives, but not as wholesome of a development as in Amagami for the mere reason that you get to spend more time with them.

>>151679272
>But long ago you claimed Amagami did this better than any other show.
No, I said Amagami delivered a more 'complete' experience than any other show. I think you should refer to >>151666279.

>any show that doesn't match the exact content of Amagami can't be compared to it.
There are plenty of shows which can be compared to it. Literally any high school harem/romance anime out there.

>No. But I'm about ready to just stop responding to you like he did.
It's your loss. I have nothing to gain here. You've already proven that you lack the ability to make a coherent argument.

Only recently started watching it for the first time in preparation for Seiren, holy shit you fucking cock gobbling faggot, you couldn't be any more wrong about the series.

>>151674030
I completely disagree. Refer to >>151676552. My interpretation of the situation is that Haruka was unaware of what she really wanted. I remember when Amagami first aired and there was a huge drama when the MC was rejected in the very first episode with her words being that she was looking for someone more mature. If anything, through her interaction with the MC she discovered more about herself and what she truly was looking for. It was by no means as 'random' as you make it seem like but there was quite a bit of consistency in it; including the fanservice element of knee-licking which was by no means out of place under the given narrative premises.

>>151680371
>>151680447

>Length does not guarantee you a good anime and in the same sense a lack of length does not result in a bad anime by necessity. However, a certain kind of anime is impossible to make without a certain kind of length.
This would be true except

>You could not turn LOGH into shorts and in the same sense you could not turn Amagami into shorts.
Yes, you could turn Amagami into shorts comparable to Tawawa and still have the same amount of content. The only thing that would change is the 'feel' of the show from a full episode to a short. But the content could still be expressed in smaller episodes. While LoGH couldn't have shorter episodes because its content is bigger than Amagami. Though a few episodes do drag on and could have been condensed a little.

But I know you won't agree with my assessment. And since all the rest of your post is dodging my points, calling me retarded and saying I can't form an argument, I'll just ignore the rest of your post as well.

>>151680524
Without knowing who you're quoting, it's not possible to tell if you like or hate the series.

>>151681234
>The only thing that would change is the 'feel' of the show from a full episode to a short.
Yes - and this is fairly important.

Even if you could condense the central arguments of LOGH and cramped them into 3 minute shorts, you would end up with a fundamentally different show. Reading a summary is not the same as reading a whole book. It's not just about 'content' but also about its delivery.

>But I know you won't agree with my assessment.
But I do. The difference is that I draw different conclusions.

>And since all the rest of your post is dodging my points
I'm fairly certain I've addressed them.

>calling me retarded
It's the impression I've been getting.

>I'll just ignore the rest of your post as well
Sometimes that's better. We wouldn't want you to get told on the internet, would we?

>>151680953

I didn't say it was random.

Also, most of what you said is true. But the story that was told was also not something that exactly utilized every ounce of time. There was plenty of the four episodes that was teasing, dry jokes and pandering.

Now, I know what you're thinking. "But they needed that time to show their developing interest in each other!" But that's my whole point. The first two episodes don't show any of that. They are mostly just introductions and a long, painful string of conversations comparing the MC to a dog. The third episode has some light ecchi (which is about 3-4 minutes of a 23 minute episode). And then all the real development is jammed into episode 4. I've seen 1 episode OAVs which have done more than that 4 episode story did.

This thread is autistic.

>>151682158

>you're wrong
>you can't make a coherent argument
>you got told
You claim you have nothing to gain from this argument. But your constant need to put him in his place says otherwise. And makes you look desperate.

>>151682393
>There was plenty of the four episodes that was teasing, dry jokes and pandering.
I don't see that as negative. It's fun and fleshes out Haruka's character. We're not trying to win a race here.

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>>151682647
Well there's nothing new to talk about. Check back in 4 days.

>>151682708
Are you now trying to introduce a third persona after your first two left the thread crying?

You're free to take over for "him" though. Feel free to tell me where my response in >>151680371 was "lacking" and which part you'd like me to elaborate on.

>>151682869
can we all just appreciate how genius this pose is?

>>151682158

>The difference is that I draw different conclusions.
So like I said 20 posts ago, everything comes down to our own views. Opinions which cannot be proven right or wrong. And this whole argument dragged on because you couldn't accept that. As your constant claims of winning are proving.

>>151682733

Like I said a few posts ago, there isn't anything wrong with it. Amagami doesn't need to be super deep. But that other anon was implying it was by saying it was the most 'complete' anime of its kind. Which started the whole argument.

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>>151682913
It's a pretty good one.

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Reminder that it's going to be shit.

>>151682900

>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
Get over yourself.

>>151682945
Some opinions are backed by reasonable arguments though. I precisely told you why I've reached a different conclusion. I don't see anything alike from your side. You assert your opinion as truthful without backing it up. I could grant you your personal opinion a lot more eagerly if you made no such claims of general truthfulness or at least provided further insight and defended it properly.

>>151683047
>the most 'complete' anime of its kind
I still maintain that position. I wouldn't count Tawawa as an anime "of its kind" though. It's actually quite different.

>>151683345

>Some opinions are backed by reasonable arguments though.
Mine were.

>I precisely told you why I've reached a different conclusion. I don't see anything alike from your side.
I answered all of your points with points of my own. Except in the last two posts since I was making a statement about you claiming I had no argument. Once someone claims you have no argument, there's no point to keep making counter points. They are clearly not listening.

>You assert your opinion as truthful without backing it up.
I didn't claim my views were facts and I did back them up. You just don't like my points and call me retarded. Which I never once called you retarded or claimed your points were stupid. While you used the word retarded at least four times towards me.

Its hilarious how you are the one doing every single thing you are accusing me of. Almost like you're trying to deflect the blame to me.

Are we done here? Or are you gonna keep deflecting onto me some more?

>>151683167
>he didn't break his friends' backs for fun

>>151683167
PSP was more popular in Japan.

Don't know if Japan cares about handhelds anymore though now that mobage exists.

>>151677532
But I thought reco love and photokano weren't close to touching Amagami's numbers.

>>151683845
>Which I never once called you retarded or claimed your points were stupid. While you used the word retarded at least four times towards me.
A consequence of forcing me to repeat my argument regarding the quality of length three times in a row.

But please, tell me where my response in >>151680371 was lacking. Which point did I not address sufficiently and I'll eagerly elaborate.

>>151683851
But the PSP is from a completely different generation.

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>>151682869
>Well there's nothing new to talk about.
Still, we don't usually let autistic trolls derail us like this. We usually just talk about the girls.

>>151683577

I don't know what you mean by complete. But Amagami was so flawed it needed a second season to retell the story.

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>>151684123

Maybe I should clarify. When I mean numbers, I mean that the numbers justify the existence of Photokano and Recolove, not that they surpass Amagami.

It seems like Kadokawa treats Amagami as a fluke and a perfect storm for getting the numbers it did, so they only need their dating sims to sell enough to justify development and it seems so far that has been the case but I am of the opinion that that viewpoint is shallow and not taking into account other factors which are probably as good or better indicators on why Amagami was better.

>>151684491
The second season was completely optional and unnecessary. It was nice to have but Amagami was good the way it was.

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Anyone know where to get the Amagami's VN character songs?
I'm searching the Tsukasa's one

>>151680524
Who are you talking about?

>>151684491
>But Amagami was so flawed it needed a second season to retell the story.
What are you smoking?

>>151684132

>A consequence of forcing me to repeat my argument regarding the quality of length three times in a row.
In that case you're giving me reason to call you retarded. Because I've had to repeat my views way more than three times.

But I won't call you retarded. I'm just going to call you stubborn. You understand my points just as I understand yours. Neither of us are going to yield our opinion. The difference is, you keep claiming I'm retarded, that I don't know the difference between opinion and fact and that I can't make an argument. Which is a sign of desperation. And not worth responding to.

So you can count this as a 'victory' if you want just because I'm going to stop responding now. But its entirely pointless to keep repeating outr positions over and over again.

>>151684546
How did kimi kiss do compared to revolove?

>>151684749
>Because I've had to repeat my views way more than three times.
Yes, I've seen that. And I maintain the position that you were merely misunderstanding mine.

>that I don't know the difference between opinion and fact
Not a claim I made. I said that opinions, although very often subject to individual senses of taste and aesthetics and thus formed under different premises and equally valid, can still be rationally understood and discussed. That is what I was trying to do.

>that I can't make an argument. Which is a sign of desperation.
Or a neutral assessment of the situation at hand.

This debate bores me though, so we might as well end it here - I don't even care about winning any more.

>>151677532
So what I'm understanding is that Takayama isn't involved with the recent visual novels due to changes in management. However, he is still a trusted artist for Kadokawa. Did I get that correct?

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>>151685050

>other guy leaves
>This debate bores me though, so we might as well end it here - I don't even care about winning any more.
Sure you don't.

>>151685226
I'm fairly certain I could have provoked another response. If you feel like getting told like the worthless subhuman you are you're free to take his place though.

>>151684572
bakabt. There's a collection torrent.

>>151685364

Wow dude. You're so mad that you're openly calling for someone else to argue with you? That's...sad.

Ruise porn when

>>151685661
No, I enjoy arguing. Which is why I'm here. Given that you're obviously a subhuman I don't think there's much to expect but if you have a bit of confidence in your reasoning ability you're free to give it a try.

>>151685812

If you like arguing, here's a tip. Calling people names and claiming they have no argument is horrible bait to start an argument. 90% of them won't reply.

And no, I don't want to argue with you either.

>>151685956
>I don't want to argue with you
That's probably for the better.

>>151684860

Take these figures with a grain of salt, but I dug these numbers from vgchartz, which may or may not be accurate.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/3587/kimikiss/Japan/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/30373/amagami/Japan/
www.vgchartz.com/game/50328/photokano/Japan/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/107195/reco-love-blue-ocean/Japan/

>>151685134

As far as facts go, that would be mostly correct. I would amend that he is a trusted artist for Kadokawa that does contract work with them, not that he is in continuous employment with them.

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>>151685640
Thanks.
Now is time to wait someone to seed

Reminder that Ai is best girl.

Reminder that every girl is best girl. Except Sae.

>>151690992
Sae is better than Rihoko and Tsukasa. All the girls are better than Risa, who is pure shit.

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>>151691629
Ayatsuji is top tier, anon.

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>>151691629
>Sae
>Better than Tsukasa

>>151690992
Rihoko is the least best.

>>151672623
>BAWWWW THE GIRLS JUST LIKE JUNICHI BECAUSE HE LISTENS TO THEIR PROBLEMS BAWWWW
>>151673068
>Every arc can kind of be explained as 'the MC was in the right place at the right time to get noticed by a girl'.
Sounds pretty realistic to me. Do you think that some dramatic scene is required for a girl to fall in love with a man?

These are the reasons I like Amagami.
Junichi is a good MC. He is amusing to watch.
Supporting cast is excellent. Umehara, Miya, and Hibiki are fucking awesome.
The romance is handled very well, and the comedy parts are blended in seamlessly, there is not too much drama.
The girls are all good. Except Rihoko. A lot of people don't like Sae, and I can understand why. She does not have much personality and her voice was annoying. I personally don't mind her, although I wish some things had been done differently in her route. However, Nanasaki, Morishima, Kaoru, and Ayatsuji were great.

These are of course only my opinions and are subject to your criticism.

>>151692094
I loved the chimp out of her not winning in her anime route.

>>151659719
"I'M LITERALLY SHAKING"!

All the girls look like shit compared to Amagami. Amagami was great because none of the girls were archetypical or had one trait that defined them.

How can any of them compete with Ai or Hibiki?

>No short hair
HOW IS THIS ALLOWED?
FUCK.

Genki girl's tits are too big.

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Happy new year my fellow Amagami friends. May this new year be a good and prosperous one for this series.

>>151696942
gay

Post best Seiren.

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Which Seiren/Amagami would be the best cook?

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>>151691629
Your face is pure shit

Honestly Risa's story was better then Sae and Rihoko and it was only one episode

>>151698205
Fatty but Ai could give her a run for her money given time.

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>Ai is a poorfag.

>>151703305
Kaoru is even poorer

>single parent, mom probably whores herself to old, bald Japanese salarymen
>has to work part-time

the OP for Seiren is really good. The music in Amagami was great too. How do they keep striking gold

>>151705333
Having seiyuu that can sing really helps, and Amagami was also filled with real popular seiyuu.

>>151705333
It's out already?

>>151659719
>Everything else just feels like a harem, romcom, or dumbass drama.
You mean exactly what this series is?

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>>151708227

>>151659719
The furthest two on the back don't appeal to me, but I'm ready to love them.

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>>151708439
That's the spirit, anon

>>151661152
The art

>>151659719
Looks butt ugly

>>151659719
If this is romance anime where are the male love interests?

>>151659719
>no blonde one
What's the point?

>>151705333
Where?

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>>151683851
>mfw remembering Ebikore+ shared the same launch day as the 3DS in Japan and it sold more

>>151712358
I'm sure one of them has a blonde clone of themselves like Haruka

>>151712288
There's one. It doesn't need more, unless you're a cuck.

>>151712288
Ehi, I do remember how Kimikiss ended too!

>>151661310
What was so bad about it?

>>151717324
Read the thread. He goes over why he doesn't like it.