These filler episodes need to BTFO and February needs to hurry the fuck up.
>Bulma, Chichi, Videl, Ranfan, 18, Lunch, Vados, Gine, and Towa.
Fuck one vaginally (position of choice), anally (position of choice), orally (cum shot of choice: tits, mouth, face, ect.), and receive a tit fuck from the other. You can only choose 4 out the 9. Go.
Daily reminder that Future Trunks and Bulma are most likely still purple haired in the manga.
(Pic of colored Kid Trunks is from Vol 1's cover page.)
no the only alternate time line that was created was the double of future trunks.
Makes no sense to me how killing Zamasu creates a duplicate of trunks future but there it is.
Bulma was always purple in the manga and teal then blue for Super and the anime.
Bulma was depicted purple in the Path of Power DB recap movie where they did an homage to her original manga color.
>Videl(twintails); blowjob cum in mouth
>Vados; tit fuck
5th runner up; Chichi(loli) creampie
Happy new years for more:
>manga vs anime
>canon vs noncanon autism(protip nips dont even have a concept for the word "canon" aka canon and non canon is non-existent)
>super vs gt
I still don't understand how Goku resurrected himself with the Ki blast.
He was dead for like several minutes.
If its so easy to resurrect people, why even bother with the dragon balls?
Why did Goku chimp out at Krillins death on Namek if all he had to do is shoot him with a ki blast?
His heart stopped. He shot the ki blast so it would restart his heart quickly enough.
So basically, he didn't really "die", but he definately would have if not for that ki blast.
>collect all the krillin dust
>put it into a krillin shaped container
>blast the container with ki
>use the wish you saved for bulmas panties
IT TOOK ME LIKE HALF AN HOUR TO COLLECT THAT DUST
Speaking of dust, why has no one grinded the dragonballs into dust?
The dragonballs are literally chipped from the super dragonballs, so in a sense the normal dragonballs are the dust of super dragonballs. So, if you grind down the small ones, you can have very small wishes for everyone. You could carry a pouch with literally 50 mini-wishes with you at all times. Fuck Senzu Beans, it's wishes where it's at.
"Frieza blows up Krillin"
G: Oh man, now I'll have to gather him up again.
F: Wait, what?
"Goku makes a Energy Broom (like energy sword, but broom) and starts sweeping around"
F: O_O what are you doing
G: I have to revive him now, why did you grab him? You know he's very fragile!
"Goku keep sweeping"
F: ...Stop ignoring me
F: STOP IT
F: FUCK YOU FILTHY MONKEY
starts randomly shooting death beams around Goku
G: NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'RE BLOWING KRILLIN AWAY
F: HE IS FUCKING DEAD YOU STUPID MONKEY STOP IGNORING ME
G: I HATE YOU FREEEEEEEZAAAAA!!!!!
A better question would be, what if you use those tiny balls like cocaine?
could you grant crack wishes?
What if you shout "come dragon grant my wish"? Will you be rip apart by a dozens of tiny Shenrons?
> it has been 3 weeks since Dr. Briefs started an experiment with West City citizens as guinea pigs
> They grinded the famous DragonBalls into dust and spilled all of it into the waterworks
> By now every West Cityzen has DB-Dust inside their bodies.
> A week ago we started getting reports of people occasionally getting what they want, even if before it seemed impossible
> There have reports of people getting rich, or getting superpowers or having their enemies die.
Vegito is a separate entity from Goku and Vegeta. So when he ceases to exist because the fusion runs out, Zamasu also ceases to exist because his soul no longer inhabits an existing vessel.
Makes sense to me anyway.
Come up with a new Super Saiyan transformation.
>Gohan trains with Hit and gains Mystic 2
>Is stronger than SS3 (think 3.7) but still weaker than SSG
>He uses "invisible" kai blasts/punches unless it's a signature move
Super Saiyan Star
It's just as strong as Super Saiyan Blue, but everytime you smile you get a sparkle effect.
Also, your energy beams are star shaped.
That being said, be a mexican somewhere else.
> Super Saiyan Max Heart
> Can only be achieved with a partner
> You have to hold hands, reach upwards with other hand and shout "Dual Aurora Wave!" in order to transform
> Your hair will be of a lighter color, then they were initially. Either that or pink
> All of your special beam attacks can only be made by holding hands with your partner.
Chiaotzu has a higher stable power level than WT Goku but he can basically triple and quadruple his power level when he launches a Kamehameha at full power. I'd say that in hand-to-hand combat Chiaotzu would win with a decisive edge but Goku would be able to weaken and finish him with his signature attack.
Chiaotzu could force a draw if he pulls a suicide bomberman but otherwise Goku would win edge out a win at the end and would probably look like this when the dust clears.
Chiaotzu is far above the power level of 1000 (which was start of Z when he tried his kamehameha on raditz iirc) at this point as he has trained with Tien ever since he got revived the second time.
Chiatozu as of Super is as strong as Raditz, I would have loved to have seen that Goku fight though.
Long lost brother of Zeno.
Also Tien is the strongest human.
so if potara fusions aren't permanent anymore for non supreme kais why not just have a set of potaras on hand to fuse everyone together to beat any future world/galaxy/universe ending threats
>Friend watched first episode of Hit vs Goku
>Expected it to be a full arc with Gohan becoming relevant again, despite Goku being alive in the next episode preview
>Second episode; Goku revives himself and was the person who ordered the assassination on himself, Gohan still irrelevant
>Friend upset that it's still more gag filler coming
>Friend then asks me to tell him when it stops being filler
He hated the Driving School episode in Z
Anyone else enjoying the filler? I'm loving how stupid and goofy it is.
He does have a nose. He doesn't have noseholes tho.
He doesn't. It's pointed out several times in the original manga. Goku tells Kuririn that he doesn't have a nose and Kuririn even responds, "Oh, yeah!"
That was simply a Toei mistake.
>M-maybe I can be your girlfriend tonight, Yamcha sama...
A mistake by Toriyama. Kuririn's victory against Bacterian in the 21st TB was only because of the fact that he had no nose. Kuririn "believes" he can smell something, but as Goku pointed out, it's all in his head.
>it was a joke
You see, I can claim the same thing about the Bacterion fight. It's used for comedic purposes in both instances.
there's no evidence for that.
Clearly it was a mistake if Kuririn sniffing something for comedic purposes takes place AFTER the 21st TB, where it's clearly stated that he has no nose.
In the 21st TB, Kuririn is seen holding his "nose" despite not have one until Goku finally points out that Kuririn has no nose, therefore can't be effected by Bacterian's stench.
>I can claim the same thing about the Bacterian fight.
You can't, actually. Kuririn vs Bacterian was an actual relevant fight in their first ever tournament. You can't compare that to a two panel joke that happens later on in the story.
Good concepts in GT:
>The Dragon Balls being all fucked up from all the years of constant use
>Building on established Saiyan lore
>Super Saiyan 4 (better compared to blue hair)
>The return of Fusion
>Uub and Buu reuniting
>17 doing something
>A return of some Dragon Ball-style wackiness
>a nice ending which was the perfect sendoff for Goku
But people don't like GT. Why is this?
>Why is this?
Not them but
>the fur color on SSJ4 is not suitable for the character, should have been golden or like the user's hair.
>GT stands of Goku Time
>not canon (that one is different to the rest of reasons)
>At least in the dub, the music was terrible, japanese OP and ED were memorable
>Goku is a kid again
I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but these are some reasons.
>>Building on established Saiyan lore
>>Super Saiyan 4 (better compared to blue hair)
No, SSJ4 is very messy.
>>Uub and Buu reuniting
>anything involving Uub
You mean prompting the Super 17 arc, an arguably WOAT arc?
Because it did all of that poorly. The Shadow Dragon saga should have been amazing, but I was bored out of my mind. I didn't care about any of them.
I have honestly enjoyed all the filler when Goku fought Freiza for "5 minutes" more.
Adding a divine scaling and an upper plateau of growth for the main characters to strive for is hardly a bad idea.
They're both done pretty poorly, but Super is done less poorly.
The intergalactic adventures were some of the worst parts. They dragged an Oolong rehash over two episodes. Even the fucking dub knew how stupid that was.
And the Saiyan lore was bullshit upon bullshit. Remember how it was completely invalidated by Bulma?
GT is a crime against Fusion.
Majuub is the literal definition of wasted potential.
17 did nothing other than prove Trunks is so weak he almost dies in a car crash.
The "wackiness" is compounded stupid, with none of the charm of the original.
Bra was as useless as Vegeta's mustache.
The ending and the OP song were the ONLY things that it actually did well. Everything else was wasted.
why don't Toei just make "DB Heroes - Victory Mission" a full anime?
yes beerus has ruined tension and making the main characters struggles irrelevant.
He also subtly ruined Goku and Freeza's characters. Goku was always confident and came in as the last hope when everything seemed bleak while always powering up to new heights and now the only reason Goku does shit is because the cat man is too lazy or isnt allowed for what ever reason.
Freeza is ruined by making him a sniveling coward under Beerus. Freeza was unchallenged in the universe and somewhat enjoyed the battle with Goku as he was the only one to challenge his power in the universe but now thats all out the window, if Freeza had so much potential he should have been working to grow stronger than Beerus so he could be truly unchallenged as emperor.
Beerus also ruins the end of the manga. The only reason Goku gives a shit about Uub is because there was nothing left to challenge him so he wanting to take Uub who had the potential of Buu to train him up enough so he could have a tough opponent. With the gods and the multiverse it makes Uub's power insignificant when Goku can challenge people who are far stronger than Uub could ever be.
I've been holding this rant back for a long time
>yfw according to Toei, Vegetto is simply wearing a regular earrings and not Potara.
A lot of this is just a bunch of headcanons. Like, every point you bring up. If anything RoF makes Uub getting training make even more sense, since Uub has Buu's potential, and Buu was way stronger than pre-training Frieza.
So when do we learn that each person can only fight once because they die after their match even if they win, and then some competitors try to run so their fight actually turns into a hunt for them before time runs out and the match defaults
The end of the Zamasu arc was really disappointing to me because of reasons you mentioned. Team Goku didn't have a victory. The only reason the problem was solved is because of divine intervention. Gods used to train Goku and company to win their own battles, now the gods show up to win their battles for them. This means the main arcs don't have any tension at all and the only enjoyment I'm getting from this show is the comedic filler episodes.
The ending was a result of Deus Ex Machina.
>someone like Heroes stuff, must be a Brolyfag
Buu ruins Frieza in exactly the same way you claim Beerus to ruin him. As does Dabura. And Babidi's forces in general. If anything, the retcon it makes is just like the retcon to Vegeta's character: immortality, to face a greater challenge and become undisputed among the universe. Frieza's training reinforces it, since he still cowered before Beerus.
I bet you don't remember that being a retcon though. It happened so long ago. But it's still a retcon.
Just noticed they took that from Chapter 6 of Toyo's manga.
>what is burden of proof
Heroes is fanservice garbage. If you think fanservice is good you're probably also a fan of Multiverse which means your opinion is shit. Don't bother responding, I won't give you any more attention.
>Buu ruins Frieza in exactly the same way you claim Beerus to ruin him
Not him, but not it doesn't.
Frieza came back, all trained up, once again with power that exceeded the main heroes, and Beerus was lingering overheard, an ever-present threat that could squash him.
Were any of those guys hanging over Goku and Frieza's fight on Namek – Buu, Dabura, Cell, whatever –, THEN they would have ruined him in that sense.
freeza did not originally know of buu and crew, they were in hiding on earth for ages probably before freeza was born in which the only way he would have heard of buu would like be through some myths or shit
Freiza Arc was the end of Goku's journey.
Cell was the end of Gohan's journey.
Thats why everything after them has felt meh, there has been no real character arc or journey since.
Even Future Trunks Arc was almost a literal rehash of Android/imperfect cell, except imperfect cell had the whole mystery suspense thing done right.
>Heroes is fanservice garbage.
>"something i like don't like is garbage!"
>If you think fanservice is good you're probably also a fan of Multiverse which means your opinion is shit
>"You like X, so you must be a fag eating up Salagir's shit."
i would prefer if you can just stop with this retarded nonsense
you clearly hate fun anon. admit
The Frieza saga was literally the entire franchise's high-point of popularity, imparting the series' most popular villain by a wide, WIDE margin to date.
Cutting that out would just be silly.
It also expanded on Goku's tail, introduced his alien heritage, and pit him against the final boss of that race as he achieved legend.
That's the best place to cut it undeniably
>If you think fanservice is good you're probably also a fan of Multiverse which means your opinion is shit.
Cancel DB Super and all of the upcoming merch for 2017
these dragon ball "fans" clearly don't want to be "served" with new things and stuff they'll never see in canon action outside video game merch
>implying anyone likes Multiverse after Mary Sue Bra
Reread his claim. Beerus and Buu are interchangeable. Frieza would still be a sniveling coward if Buu showed up. Buu invalidated Frieza being unchallenged, as did most of Babidi's crew. Frieza's desire for immortality becomes the same as Vegeta's retconned desire.
Myths like the Super Saiyan? The thing that exists on a single planet in the entire universe that he only recently had knowledge of? Compared to a monster that caused destruction across the universe several times? Bullshit Frieza didn't know about Buu, Babidi, or Dabura.
>Reread his claim. Beerus and Buu are interchangeable. Frieza would still be a sniveling coward if Buu showed up.
But that's the point, IF Buu showed up.
He didn't, they didn't come into contact, so he wasn't ruined by Buu in the same sense he was by Beerus.
As of Namek, regardless of whoever else was out there or who would come into play, Frieza was widely unchallenged in the Universe, so he had the braggadocios air of supreme authority.
As of RoF, he no longer had that, despite being the greatest threat relative to Goku's capabilities to date (he handily outplayed SSB Goku, whereas Beerus went more blow-for-blow with God), his authority was undermined by Beerus standing off-shot being all "I don't care I could Hakai you you nigger."
Hear me out anon.
The wedding gave us closure on Gokus character arc. Our hero defeated the son of King Picollo and got the girl. We're seeing him grown up, as opposed to the rest of the series.
Picollo was the biggest threat on earth and he was defeated.
Once you introduce the Saiyans and Freeza, the scope gets to big. Suddenly it's not just the earth anymore, the entire Galaxy becomes a potential threat. Finishing the story after Freeza would have not been satisfactory, I feel, at least not for me. You're left with questions like "are there more surviving saiyans?" and "was freeza really the strongest in the universe?".
Reminder that Multiverse Bra is /ourslut/.
>he handily outplayed SSB Goku, whereas Beerus went more blow-for-blow with God
Beerus was nowhere near his full power, whereas Frieza was going-all out even if he could only output that amount of power for a little while.
Virtually everything in Super was shit, only thing i enjoyed was Black's smugness, but i've always been a DIO-style villain lover.
Fuck, even SSB build-up/reveal was shit, at least SSJ2 reveal was pretty decent.
The only thing I can think of is Freeza enjoying his attention with battle with Goku as what you are calling headcanon
You'll have to actually make an argument if you want to argue
And I would like to remind you, even the people in charge of the anime at that time thought it would be a good idea to "end" the series like that, by calling the next series Z.
That's why I said "relative to Goku's capabilities".
Just to put (completely fictional, merely to prove my point) numbers to it: Beerus was going 1% his power, Goku was going 100% his power. Beerus was clearly far stronger, but he was repressing to create a contest.
As an SSB, Goku had pushed himself to 300% of that previous power, but Frieza was, for his peak duration, going 400%.
Frieza and Goku weren't equal, Beerus and Goku were, but only because Beerus was dicking around.
Which is hilarious to me.
All this science and learning, but in the end he still has to fight or his family will literally cease existing along with the rest of his universe.
Just goes to show that being a nerd doesn't pay off. He can't math himself out of this one.
And there were still civilizations around. Still remnants of his damage, according to Supreme Kai. Frieza would know what Buu was exactly because of folks like Babidi still running around.
remember that time when Goku sucked Usagi's dick
Can we talk about the bullshit in the Buu arc? Like when Trunks and Vegeta are training for the tournament. Why can an 8-year old withstand 150g of gravity when Goku couldn't handle 10g when he was like 30?
the wedding is a good point and even ends the DB anime but i think cutting it off right as goku becomes a young man would have been unsatisfactory when he has had so much potential as a child
But we do see him unfold his potential when he defeats Picollo Jr.
Because even with the Saiyan arc, it takes a long time until Goku really kicks ass again. He lost against Vegeta and spends most of the arc dead or traveling to Namek.
Buu was the end of Vegeta's and the Dragon Ball world's journey.
On the topic of how the arcs played out though, Cell didn't really work that well as a development arc for Gohan due to how fucking out of focus he was for the entire arc.
I still don't understand how AT could have his MC always lose to the rival. Vegeta just keeps beating Goku. I can only imagine how the poor original editor feels about Vegeta taking Bulma.
Bad execution (especially bad fight choreography).
>magic clothing, eyeliner, pink fur
Yet still better than SSB/SSG. No hand-holding ritual (though a larger source of 'blutz' isn't great either). Brown fur and regular hair would be fine for a mixed transformation state (needing a change of clothes or Frieza Soldier Armor and the like) before SS gets mixed in to take it further (gold). Not sure why the eyes are a different color with visible pupils or why this more ape-like case lacks the brows even SS3 had.
Still better than Super Cyan.
>bad ideas done well
Super is just shit.
SSj4 is gay and so are you. Go make me a taco, bitch.
>Freeza is ruined by making him a sniveling coward under Beerus.
I will never not be mad about this. There was literally no reason to make Beerus responsible for the destruction of Planet Vegeta.
Vegeta always beats Goku. Just how it is.
No wonder he got banished, King Vegeta probably walked in on him jacking off to Tech-Tech porn.
Not a proper noun? I'm unsure what this refer to, then.
You're speaking English, are you not? Do you refer to them as "Saiya-jin"? There's no "j" in "Saiyan". Are these "Saiya-People", you refer to?
NOTE: Will Vegeta's third victory over Goku in the streak be a KO, TKO, submission, kill or what?
w-what's it do? why are there vegetables shooting out of it?
i-is it economy-friendly?
I'm thinking a third KO seems likely.
>tfw went to the doc today
>"hi anon how tall are you?"
>"that can't be right I'm 5'9" anon get on this scale"
>"haha anon you're 5'7" hahahaha"
Yes, as in three occurrences of a severe concussion or other means leading to unconsciousness.
What's a "goku"? If not a proper noun, then I can't say I'm familiar with the term.
What's all this?
Eating dirt is not the look of a tie. Fights have no rules. Goku's naivety was taken advantage of. Also, sentences end with punctuation.
the scales I used can double for both weight and height
As he is for much of the series.
>SS2 Goku was stronger
Than Majin Vegeta? This is based on nothing. They were equal. Vegeta being the better fighter gave him the advantage even with Goku having a utility tool of note (IT) even if he didn't make good use of it in canon.
NOTE: SS3 would have been a grand failure. A pity AT didn't work that into the bout. I suppose he hadn't made it up yet.
>let his guard down
Like Genos, he never learns.
Goku surpassed him on his trip to Namek, that isn't "much of the series". Goku was distracted by the thought of Buu escaping and didn't want to injure Vegeta because it all went to Buu. Vegeta took a cheap shot after Goku thought they fight ended.
You know what you're doing? Making excuses.
I'm not even that anon but I agree with his justification: Vegeta got the KO on Goku and ended the battle. None of your ass pull excuses will change that fact. He beat Goku.
Vegeta got the first and second KO's on Goku. Whenever they actually fight in the series Vegeta always comes out on top.
Be mad gokufags.
>isn't much of the series
Very well. Let us review. Vegeta is stronger from birth, but we'll begin with Goku's birth (as a weakling).
Vegeta gets no real challenges, so little improvement is had before arriving on Earth. Goku gets many masters, training sessions, etc. aside from SKW (passive Oozaru for x10 boost *helps when considering he never learned how to control the form*).
After Goku's death (given the privilege of training with a deity), he returns from light gravity training with KK (and SB). It let him get a power edge over base Vegeta, but not enough to do real damage for long. Vegeta puts him down.
With the above, Vegeta's base is higher, but Goku has KK to go beyond that (not enough for matching Oozaru *or coming close*). SKW couldn't carry the day.
With Namek, Vegeta gets a light zenkai (as with after Earth), but makes little progress while Goku's severe beating on Earth and multiple zenkai during gravity training give him a notable base rise (going beyond the Vegeta stomped by Recoome). Vegeta gets a zenkai that takes him well and beyond that with his base, but the KK limits Goku exhibits soon enough suggest he would have the same capacity to briefly overpower him (AT drops tails by this point *soon KK will follow*).
Vegeta beat Goku's body to a pulp (again) thanks to Ginyu's antics (another nice zenkai incoming). Vegeta's base is surpassed by this healed Goku (who has KK *which is then replaced by SS*).
Vegeta raises his base beyond Goku's and gets SS during the time of the android menace (Goku makes an ass of himself with the heart virus while he's at it). Zenkai mostly fade from AT's mind. Vegeta increase his power lead over Goku with RoSaT.
Goku has a moment of clarity with FPSS, overtaking Vegeta (such that even a second dip in the chamber doesn't quite close the gap). Goku manages to hold a slight lead with Other World training (even while not working as hard) aside from obtaining SS3 (shit form).
We could've had a whole arc of the team scouring the universe looking for the strongest fighters to join their team for the upcoming tournament
But no, we had to make Roshi, 17, and 18 relevant again
>Pride crushed ny Freeza
>Arms broken by 18
>Spine broken by Cell
>Beaten by Fat Buu
>Almost killed by Kid Buu
>Paralyzed by Beerus infront of his wife
>Freeza kill stolen by Goku
>Jobbed to Hit infront of his wife and kid
>Jobbed to Black
Sorry bud, I'm a vegetafag, but I'm not delusional.
> vegeta defeated goku because he let his guard down
No just no. Goku> Vegeta and it will always be that way you my spics.
The strong should fear the weak.
It's a battle to the death. You really think saying "haha lol timeout my dude let's go beat up this pink bubblegum monster first lmao" has any bearing?
Goku was naive and let down his guard. Vegeta got the KO. There are no rules in a battle you twats. Goku lost. He was rendered unconscious.
Vegeta wins 2-0.
Yes, brother. They will be forever buttmad. Glorious.
Don't forget his undefeated record against Goku. :^)
Vegeta uses Babidi for a small power increase that closes the gap (form for form). Goku only has SS3 for a power advantage. Then comes this business with Super (muh buruma overtaking SS3). Goku holds hands for SSG, Vegeta earns it and they tie up with SSB.
This 'Black' business makes it look like Vegeta's small extra solo training gave him a base advantage over Goku (though SSB KK comes up). Anime likes doing silly things, so we'll see what different avenue the manga takes.
>Vegeta beat Goku
>his thing is his schtick
My, how articulate you are.
>letting Vegeta have the full power advantage
Another free win? How boring. Is it not easy enough for him as it is?
Well said, friend. I couldn't have said it better myself.
>prince of all jobbers
He is the prince of Saiyans (who jobbed to Frieza pretty good). Hell, Goku jobs like crazy (especially to Vegeta). Black did alright staving off this fact of the body he took, but there is only so much you can do. That manga beating was pretty severe though. At least he had an excuse with the seeming SS1 against Vegeta's SS2 (then came SSB for overkill).
>Frieza KO Vegeta
I don't recall him getting any KO's with Vegeta. He got a TKO (then kill) and then another kill (in what was otherwise a sure loss). Getting plain knocked out is really something more Goku's speed.
In power and form (not so much skill, technique, etc.), sure. Certainly not the fight record.
Or maybe it is more accurate to say Goku beat himself.
You don't have to worry about that.
Yes, and? Didn't Vegeta tell you how it is?
Goku was already dead. There is no battle to the death on the line. So that argument is totally moot.
The only reason vegeta did what he did was he knew goku was strong enough to stop him from trying to kill buu.
You can die twice in DB lore (apparently, except when it comes to the Supreme Kai in F. Trunks timeline... or something?...)
First death gives you a halo if you're a good boy or important enough, second death is permanent. I forget if your soul gets deleted or if you auto-reincarnate at that point. But dying twice = death for realsies.
Also no one is talking about why he did what he did. We're talking about the FACT that Vegeta has defeated Goku twice.
Does this somehow change the fight record? Also, Goku was scared of Super Buu (rare moment of intelligence). Guy couldn't wrap his head around how shit SS3 was or how dangerous Buu actually is (kept fantasizing about his shit state being enough to take out even fatty).
And getting dropped. How fitting.
That was a neat bit of filler. I wonder if it aired before AT had Gotenks do the 'ki rings' (for binding). I should check on that some time.
Given his having defeated Goku with less power before (being the better fighter *according to AT*), I'm not so sure. He was just being smart, really. Goku had SKW, Vegeta should have something to balance things out too.
That is correct.
Should one not? You're not going to cry foul about fairness, are you? It isn't like he had other people jump in to help or something. Vegeta played Goku. Goku lost to a trick. You don't have to like it. Just accept the loss with grace. Goku's friends and family don't begrudge him his shit record against his rival. Why should you?
>literally me right now
I wouldn't lie. I've just had a lot practice. 3-0, when?
> being this butthurt about a fictional character
There is no "L" in "Win", sport. If Goku is Vegeta's opponent, he cannot lose. It is known. Canon fact. An absolute truth. AT wills it. Write that down on your hand if you don't trust your head.
That's not how fights work, son. Nor how proper nouns are to be represented.
The wound never seems to heal, I've found.
If Goku could just use it properly the thing wouldn't be such a waste.
I'm not seeing any losses to the MC. Rather, nothing but wins as far as the eye can see.
NOTE: Do you think AT will treat their next fight like the first time Vegeta's won (forgetting the fight record himself)? I'd find that amusing (as with how it was in one of the Budokai 3 what-if bits using GT's timeline).
>all these wall of text replies that no one bothers to read
You would have to be if you think Goku's ever really had a chance against his better. Ginyu and Zammy both had to learn the hard way that the body they took wasn't suited to fighting Vegeta (basically Kryptonite for carrot-type Saiyans).
Your grammar needs work. Also, how can Goku be greater than Vegeta when he can't beat him in a fight? At even says Vegeta is the better fighter. Better leader too. Going beyond this, Vegeta is the superior father, husband, friend, lover, hero, etc. About the only thing I think Goku has been shown to be better at would casual racing games (according to Super's manga).
I read them faggot.
Because I acknowledge that Vegeta has defeated Goku every single time they've officially fought.
Must be a shitty life to hate facts?
Bullshit, he would be able to if you gave him the right motivation, if you know what I mean.
Do not underestimate pervert gag characters.
In fact, I'm pretty sure Roshi would be able to kill every other single fighter in DB, if Bulma lets him fuck her once.
Not everyone in the tournament will have a trillionbojillion power level. Winnie the Pooh wasn't that strong, just had a weird gimmick, Roshi will probably fight enemies like that.
>to the death
Death isn't exactly necessary for a fight to be called.
As long of a time as that is, I'd have to agree.
I would never allow them to.
Ika is big on her vegetables, that's all.
I'm fine with Vegeta's undefeated record. AT willed it, so it was.
vegeta is undeafeated against goku.
now he needs to beat a big bad to be confirmed best character.
shouldn't be too long
>Time for the non-saiyans to get back in the spotlight
I'm not against that. I'm against the idea that the whole universe, with its very existence on the line, has no fighters to offer other than those on Earth. AND of those, Roshi is somehow above Yamcha or Chiaotzu
>Must be a shitty life to hate facts?
You mean like the fact that vegeta himself thinks he's weaker than Goku and has a massive inferiority complex against him?
The man really shouldn't be so hard on himself. He'll get 3-0 soon enough. He need only be patient.
Absolutes are absolutely tricky business, sailor. Only takes one exception to bring them down (which happens to be the number of blows Goku needs to the back of the head for another KO loss to Vegeta).
I just don't see why they have to be upset about this. It isn't like Goku hasn't achieved anything throughout his series. So what if he couldn't beat Vegeta in any of their fights? Does it really matter if Vegeta got the better girl? Had the better son? Has better ki techniques (that he actually made)? His friends and family still accept him. I should think Goku's fans can too.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Roshi is stronger Chiaotzu now. I mean when's the last time we've seen him doing absolutely anything of importance? Blowing himself up in the Saiyan Saga?
Nice deflection, buddy. Not even your hero agrees with you.
You say this like it is a bad thing. Goku's gay for Vegeta, didn't you realize it? How else do you explain him always throwing their fights? It clearly distracted Ginyu and Zamasu (as Black) both. That body they used was poison to their fighting ability.
>big bad win
Wouldn't hold out for that one. AT's kind, but not that kind.
It isn't easy being undefeated against Goku. He'll never know the pleasure of a worthy rival. It just isn't fair.
>thinks he's weaker
Even if he actually was weaker, still beating Goku every time doesn't really do his advocates many favors, wouldn't you agree?
Didn't you boys learn your lesson from this avenue already? Objective reality trumps subjective opinion, sentiments, etc. You don't have to like AT's writing. Just know the score.
NOTE: It was pretty shitty of Goku to break his promise to Krillin like he did. What an asshole.
>Vegeta isn't even allowed to fight Beerus, the strongest being in the universe, against which Goku tied
>Goku holding on to Raditz's tail
>has never been about Goku
Certainly wouldn't be about losing to him, right?
Not exactly how it went down. Will Goku ever manage a tie with Vegeta? So far it has been nothing but defeats. Will Goku ever overcome the slump? Shall he be using his broken heap style? Or maybe dirt-eating fist? I don't think a world exists where Goku can ever beat Vegeta. Guy can't even please his wife.
>Wouldn't hold out for that one
i need to dream,gohan,goku and now trunks all have one so why not vegeta
Will Vegeta ever be allowed to fight Beerus again after embarrassing himself in front of his wife?
>all those kills from before the android/cell saga
They really need to somehow go back to their being more villains, like underlings for a main villain... all the sagas since have been just one big bad for the most part.
If Black (a Goku) wasn't going to be it, I don't think anything will be. Hell, Cell was part Goku.
His SS2 did better than Goku's SS3. That'll suffice. Had he done the hand-holding with himself as the SSG chosen, the results would be the same (save for a better fight).
>lost the race
Won their fights, at least.
Try? He succeeded.
>Hit is better than Whis
What's all this now?
If only any of this helped Goku win a fight.
Hard having the main girl of the series and a son who isn't a useless shit. Being undefeated against the MC is just tough luck.
They would all die to Vegeta (and maybe Piccolo).
>Try? He succeeded.
And that's supposed to be a point in his favor? Not following through? kek
No wonder he couldn't avenge his race, it suffices when Goku does it for him, right? :^)
>Goku in the Anime
>1997 Quote "There’s how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I’ve always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn’t quite get them to grasp the elements of “poison” that slip in and out of sight among the shadows."
Lol Toriyama never liked Toei's Goku, and probably hates Funi Goku even more. Rofl no wonder he's all on Toyo's side
I guess you're fine with your waifu looking like a Ditto
Oolong can actually transform into an identical match but can't hold it.
Am I the only one that thinks that dance fusions look terrible? I hate the half cut tank they wear and much prefer a regular gi. What's your favorite design in canon or non canon dragon ball?
Is that from the same comic as this? Why is ChiChi in saiyan armor?
>>Shenron please birth me a planet full of low class Saiyan males and females
Just the Saiyan males would do.
No need to bring the females back, they are worthless.
It is better to bring the Saiyan males back and have them mate with human females, this way we will possibly have a lot of hybrids with hidden potential like Gohan.
>that time Chi-Chi tried to go to Namek
Happy New Years /a/.
Kai marathon on Toonami tonight.
Super's filler has been top-tier so far so fuck him
>the next four episodes before the saga starts are gonna be Great Saiyaman episodes
fuck yeah, I hope Great Saiyawoman is there too so Videl finally gets to do something
>The Dragon Balls being all fucked up from all the years of constant use
Good concept, terrible execution
Super is doing it better
>Building on established Saiyan lore
Meh, building on enstablished lore about the gods is more interesting and a better direction for the series
>Super Saiyan 4 (better compared to blue hair)
I'll give you that
>The return of Fusion
SSJ4 Gogeta was cool so I'll give you that
>Uub and Buu reuniting
And nothing was done with it
>17 doing something
Super 17 was the worst arc in all of DB, 17 is also about to do things in DBS so
>A return of some Dragon Ball-style wackiness
Super is literally constantly bringing back stuff from the original DB for the sake of nostalgia pandering
>a nice ending which was the perfect sendoff for Goku
Goku just leaving into the sunset riding Shenron was not a ''perfect sendoff'' at all
GT's biggest faults are Goku being a kid and everything about Pan
Ok so, I'm picturing this:
Because the fate of the universe is at stake, Beerus and Whis are gonna train the fuck out of everyone in U7 team
So, what kind of power-ups do you guys think the characters will get?
>Goku and Vegeta
Maybe some new wacky transformation?
He finally gets to achieve SSB
Super Namekian God or something
>Krillin and Roshi
no idea there but I want something stupid like God Earthling
>17 and 18
Buu is gonna absorb people or discover some non-evil Super Buu-like transformation.
17 and 18 will overclock themselves.