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>Decide to rewatch Geass due to S3 coming soon
>Give R2 another chance
>It's actually pretty freaking good. Way better than I remember.

Was R2 unfairly judged? It actually a damn good show and still blows modern anime out of the water. It's amazing.
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>>151623087
So did you just ignore the China arc or what?
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>>151623087
why did you think it wasn't so god damn good in the first place ? why did you think it was good when you rewatched it ?
i remember that i liked the plan of charles when i rewatched it but that was before i watched EVA and discover that it was ripped off from it .

>>151623743
what's wrong with china arc ? the only problem was that chess match . the whole arc was pretty good
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>>151623743
What's the problem? How it wasn't really relevant in the long run for the plot? It was relevant at the time.
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Why was R:2 so poorly received? I think it's becahse the shows 'foundations' were debased.

Lelouch goes from being the Underdog to owning the world

Suzaku goes from being a moralfag to nuking a city

The mechs start flying and shit when before they were forced to stay on the ground and do cable shit

The black knights turn on Zero

There are coherent explanations for everything but all the changes happen very fast.

I dont feel like wrting an good post
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>>151623087
I just recently rewatched both seasons one after the another, R2s problems becomes a lot more clear when R1 is fresh in your head
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>>151625136
>>There are coherent explanations for everything
>Zero why did you leave us during the black rebellion?
>To destroy Britannia
>'kay fine, welcome back!
There's a lot of really poor explanations/reasoning going on in that season
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>>151623087
For starters, the whole opening of the season can be a bit confusing.
Even when you figure it out there are a few things at the start left unexplained and you sorta just have to assume a few things, and there are several silly things.
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>>151623087
I remember the scene where masked man was allowed to travel back home and somehow a million people came out of nowhere.
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>>151625136
The show also had like three endings in five episodes.
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>>151623087
>Was R2 unfairly judged?
Are you asking us to tell you what you thought? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>151625880
This. Why was the Charles storyline wrapped up so early? They just swept the whole Gods thing under the rug so quickly.
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>>151625656
Todoh says (once) during that incident that Zero's talents are what's winning the war. Zero can't be thrown away that easily, so he covers for him by accepting his shit excuse. If you want I can find a screencap.

Lelouche desering also helps to push the BNs closer in the direction if turning against him later on.
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I felt the same. I remember not liking it when I was younger but I just saw it again and I really liked it.
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>>151625880
>>151626040
they changed the script before R2 was airing and we'll never know the original script
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>>151625854
>the whole opening of the season can be a bit confusing
You mean only one episode.
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>>151623087
R2 is only unfairly judged by those who claim it was ALL bad (or ALL bad except for the ending). It was still a step down from the original show in every single way, it spent too much time on less important stuff first and then rushed through things super quickly. They made most combat scenes (with like 2 or 3 exceptions) more boring too. There are some good moments in the season, but it does deserve to be criticized for these and other reasons.
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>>151625594
Conversely, I understood more of what R2 was going for upon rewatching it right after S1 rather than waiting tons of months. S
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>>151625880
More like two sequences that felt like endings: The Ragnarok scenario and then the actual ending with Zero Requiem, which did feel like a suitable conclusion.

I would have been annoyed if the show ended with Ragnarok though.
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>>151629289
The script was changed a long time before R2 aired and they did release a script for the first episode after the cliffhanger too. Someone even translated that.

It works better than the time skip with Rolo, but wasn't as hugely different on the surface at least for that episode. Lelouch still loses, just to Charles himself rather than to Suzaku, and still gets captured.
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>>151626040
It would have felt too much like an Evangelion riff. Also this:

-----I think many viewers thought there would be a Geass battle with the Emperor at the end.

Okouchi: This was something we discussed in the early stages, but we didn't want to end the show with mysteries or mysterious powers. The final enemy being real world enemies, Schneizel and Nunnally, and not those related to the Geass, the Emperor and Marianne, had to do with our not wanting to have Lelouch conclude his battle in another dimension. [I/we] wanted [the show] to end with a battle between humans, and Lelouch's decision as a human being.
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>>151629809
This was definitely the right choice to make. Reading that they deliberated on it and so firmly chose the brilliant path they did makes me respect Code Geass staff even more.
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Watching it again. God damn Suzaku is such a piece of shit uncle Tom. How do you find peace by enlisting to fight your own people rather than the ones subjugating them?
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>>151623087
It's good entertainment.

I would say objectively speaking, it's quite terrible. Season 1 was much better.
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>>151630678
Muh Knight of One
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R2 took like 15 episodes to finally go somewhere.
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r2 > first cour
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>>151630678
He's retarded.
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>>151630952
>Muh Knight of One
You mean Knight of Zero
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>>151631333
R1 took like 21 episodes to go anywhere.
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>>151623087
No, R2 was definitely worse than R1
>Charles plot ended up being super retarded, shitty ripoff of Evangelion
>Shirley dies, lol who cares
>Rivelz and co. take screen time this time not even showcasing the daily live of R1
>Weird Geass facility never really explained.
>The Villeta+Ougi subplot where she jumps off a cliff and it just skips to them being married when they're next shown.
>My robot is stronger than yours
The only thing better in R2 over R1 is the ending.
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>>151630678
Because he killed his dad, he's used to fighting his own people
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R2 is better after the fact because it's one of those very rare shows that manages to redeem itself in the ending. Watching R2 a second time seems better because you can see the purpose and payoff to the things that you normally didn't enjoy.
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>>151632051
Charles was always doing weird mystical stuff at this temple palace.
Taking a couple of ideas from Eva was unoriginal, but happens literally everywhere.
Shirley dying was entirely predictable based on how her story had been going on.
Explaining the Geass facility in great detail would just add more fluff and not change current events.
I did tend to hate the Ougi and Villetta subplot, that was a bad idea even in S1, but they didn't marry until after R2 ended.
Robots getting stronger is mecha anime 101.
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>>151630678
Ignoring his desire to become the K1 and take control of Area 11, if there are no rebels to fight then there is peace.
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>>151625136
Suzaku is always wrong and the biggest piece of shit ever
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>>151626067
Why are they always so ready to turn on him?
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DON'T YOU...FORGET ABOUT ME
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>>151630070
>respect
They are fucking incompetent fools that ruined R2 except for the ending.
They have ruined it too by confirming Lelouch to be alive as well now.
They have wasted too many eps on stupid bullshit that they had to cover up the whole /geass/ragnarok/emperor/marianne in just two eps (IIRC) even though they were supposed to be the key points of the story.
When people complained about how they didn't understand anything they said "loool we don't need to explain everything and never meant to." You idiots didn't explain anything in the first place at all.
Their inverviews after the anime ended were all messy as well and didn't do any good to us.
They aren't respectable at all.
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>>151634964
He's a filthy gaijin
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When are they going to release the proper fucking PV? That blurry fucking recording of the live event is atrocious for detail.
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>>151635183
If you thought lelouch was truly dead at the end then you're retarded and are willfully ignoring established in-universe rules.
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Milly should've just drugged and raped Lelouch while she had the chance. She could've even invited Shirley and avoided the whole love drama.
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Unpopular opinon time

I think R2 is better then R1
The only part I disliked about R2 is the spirit room episode

R1 felt too close to reality and felt more like a school anime then something about countries at war

I also think original FMA is better then brotherhood
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>>151636160
>I also think original FMA is better then brotherhood
This is true.

>I think R2 is better then R1
This isn't.
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>>151634964
Chiba and Asahina never had high opinions of Zero to begin with- too damn nationalistic and saw Zero as a means to Japanese independence. I doubt they would have wanted to take the fight to Britannia after their goal was achieved. Ohgi was always somewhat pacifist and suspects him of blowing up the JLF leaders back in S1. And Tohdoh was honour bound to those same leaders so much so that he was ready to be executed after their death. When they find out during the second battle of Tokyo from one of their own members that Zero massacred a bunch of civilians going against the Black Knight's knights of justice schtick(from their POV), and later on finding out he was responsible for blowing up the JLF leaders, holding Ohgi in check with Viletta and lastly using his Geass to forcefully mindrape(again from their POV- we know better) people they turn against him in lieu of getting independence for Japan. If Schneizel refused however I'd still think they'd have stuck with Zero.
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>>151635183
Lelouch being dead or alive has absolutely 0 relevance to the execution AND the meaning of the Zero Requiem.
If you think otherwise, you understood absolutely nothing about CG.

>They have wasted too many eps on stupid bullshit
Yeah I agree R1 was full of stupid bullshit too.
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Do you think amnesiac C.C. offered herself to Lelouch during their time together?
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>>151623087
Gode Geass was a huge success because it was like a Gundam 0079 where Char is the main character.
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So in the end, how many people do you think know the truth about Lelouch's act as being the most evil person in the world?
Nunnally, Spinzaku, and Kallen are confirmed, but a few other political minded characters who were about to be executed last episode seem to realize the truth too.
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>>151635015
Man, Rivalz is one sexy hunky stud
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>>151637713
Sayoko, Orange, Cecile, Pudding, Nina and maybe Tohdoh
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Just finished rewatching too. Why was Orange so based, he even got his own orange farm.

But seeing how peaceful the world is at the end make me wonder how S3 is going to continue the story.
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>>151637661
But Char has shit motivations and you can't ever identify with him as a charcter because of how retarded he seems to be
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>>151623743
>hating China arc
Kill yourself.

The only, ONLY acceptable parts of R2 that you can dislike are the Nunnaly viceroy episode.
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>>151637943
Well not exactly

You have to remember when the show started Britannia was at war with multiple nations
I have a feeling S3 will deal with what happened to Europia and will revolve around a certain characters rise to power to take back Europia from the people who betrayed it
Namely the UFN who surrendered

It'll most likely reflect a japanese version of hitler's rise to power and at the last possible moment Lelouch will spring out and go "it's a me" then fight hitler
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>>151637827
Todoh did seem to realize that Suzaku was wearing the mask, which is why Kallen silenced him by telling him that it's Zero.
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>>151637827
I'd suspect Anya as well, since she stayed with Orange afterwards.
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It is, unequivocally, the most woeful piece of shit I've ever seen. It's also entertaining.

The only thing Geass had going for it really was the ending, which doesn't even matter now. RIP Gayass.
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>>151638507
>the characters
>the mecha fights
>the keikaku
>the humour
>the unpredictable plot
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>>151638150
What about Turn 12? I mean, it was funny, but we got a silly harem parody sandwiched inbetween the serious China war arc and Shirley's death.
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>>151638811
>I need my shows to be edgy and serious ALL THE TIME
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This show feels like a poor-mans LoGH without the philosophy, intelligence and charm that anime had.

Code Geass is the poor mans LoGH.
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>>151638939
Do not put words in my mouth, the 'issue' with it was the extreme mood whiplash, which even the staff acknowledged in interviews as something inherent to Code Geass. I get its purpose, it was done in order to cruelly tease Lelouch (and the viewers) with one final glimpse at a lighthearted and normal life with the dates and the love hat game with Shirley, only to pull the rug from under him in the very next episode. It's just that they did it in a really over-the-top way, but I guess that's just how CG is.
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Let's be honest, in hindsight, if Lelouch had truly, permanently died in Zero Requiem, it probably wouldn't have made perfect thematic sense, because he'd be leaving C.C. alone to her eternity of experience with only a memory of Lelouch's love.
Now, you can argue that this would still make sense to a degree, and I wouldn't say you're wrong, but I think it's more likely that the writers originally intended for Lelough to survive anyway. Well, in a sense, anyway, since Lelouch as the identity, all his friends, his past, his future have all been killed, all he's left with are C.C., and I don't think that makes his sacrifice any less grand.
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>>151639120
after all the times he made such a big deal about how he was going to be the one to complete the contract it would be weird if he did die without fulfilling it
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>>151639033
LoGH doesn't have mecha though. Just imagine how much cooler it would be if Spartanians and Valkyries were mecha instead of space fighters.
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What bothered me most about R2 was that is escalated into straight up genocide and everyone's just 'eh, it happens.'
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>>151639216
The contract was letting C.C. die, but towards the end she realized she'd rather live. It was already fulfilled by then (by changing its terms, but still).
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>>151639279
>she'd rather live
No, she realized Lulu really actually cares for her, which was her only wish, why she got love geass and the thing love geass couldn't give to her.
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>>151625136
Suzaku did not even want to nuke that city, He was forced to. I'm not sure what the point of that comment was, he subconsciously decided that his only means of survival was firing the freija
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I wonder how long Lelouch's peaceful life with C.C. could last, everyone in the world must know what he looks like and what he did.
>>151639275
>straight up genocide and everyone's just 'eh, it happens.'
What do you mean? The attack on the researcher's base made everyone distrust Zero.
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>>151639216
They already established that the contract's fulfillment isn't what she really wanted.
During the scene when Charles was about to end C.C.'s eternal life, Lelouch wasn't shouting about wanting to be the one to kill her. He shook her decision by promising to fulfill her real, original wish: to be loved.
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>>151639478
He probably meant something like FLEIJA'ing the Britannian capital.
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>>151639275
I was happy for Nina. She was finally able to follow in the footsteps of her beloved Euphy and genocide the filthy Elevens.
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>>151639317
>>151639504
Thinking about it, the whole Lelouch-C.C. situation is somewhat similar to the Araragi-Shinobu one, in the sense that, as far as I'm aware, they weren't lovers, but they have a deep connection and love for each other that I believe few people ever experience.
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>>151639607
>they weren't lovers
Careful, you'll summon the shipfags.
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>>151639478

I meant flattening Tokyo and Pendragon. You'd think people would be appalled at that but there's hardly any reaction.

Meanwhile everyone freaks the fuck out over the fact that Lelou has Geass.
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>>151639580
Really the only things that really bothered me about the Nina is that
>everyone just completely forgives her after she tried to kill every single one of her friends with a nuclear explosion and probably a fair chunk of Tokyo, and the only reason she didn't succeed is that her machine didn't go off as intended
>She somehow "didn't think [FLEIJA's explosion]" would be like this, when she outright states the radius and level of destruction that she calibrated the warhead for and was fully aware of it while telling Suzaku to use it continuously I wish Suzaku had been harsher on her when they met in the crater
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>>151639648
It was pretty hilarious that the murdererous rebel army who didn't have any problems doing what they did until now had a problem with non-lethally forcing people to do something because "muh free will". The Euphy thing I understand, but Geass by itself is, as Camera-kun said, an asset that Zero obviously made use of wonderfully.
But it's believable because people are idiots and emotional.
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>>151639631
>>151639607
They weren't lovers physically. At least not yet. That's what shippers can't wait to happen so they can flood the board with crap.
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>>151639707
Two of the major issues that led the BKs to betray Lelouch were his involvement in the Euphinator incident and in the destruction of the Geass order, both of which included mass murdering civilians. Sure, I agree it doesn't compare to the FREIJA nukings.
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>>151639674
I hate Nina so fucking much, rewatching it made me hate her even more.
> "didn't think [FLEIJA's explosion]" would be like this
There was even an explosion test at her research center. It's impossible for her to not know the effect of the fucking explosion.
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>>151639785
The guy who informed Todo about the civilian murder was literally the guy who almost got murderized by the Geass kids, wasn't he?
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>>151639674
>>151639807
I saw that comment as her being in denial over her guilt.
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>>151624073
>the only problem was that chess match
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>>151639824
No, the guy who almost got murderized was killed by Rolo.
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>>151639607
>they weren't lovers, but they have a deep connection and love for each other that I believe few people ever experience.
That's what she said in one of season two picture drama. Something like it wasn't romantic love that made her support Lelouch.
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>>151639807
"Oh no my weapon off mass destruction and instant obliteration, whose effective radius I know full well, that was used in a population center, which I advocated they do, cause mass destruction among the populace!"
>>151639839
That's what it was, but it was still annoying. Glad Suzaku stopped being a faggot and told her "Good job Nina, this is exactly what you consciously decided to contribute to, you succeeded, your WMD caused mass destruction".
>>151639879
Are those worth watching? I have them downloaded I think.
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>>151639918
Yeah, the picture dramas are mostly pretty nice.
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>>151639918
They're pretty good. It's five minutes each episodes, nice mix of comedy and serious too.
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What do you think would have happen if Euphy wasn't geassed into killing Elevens?

I can't imagine Britannian nobles and other members of the royal family letting the Administrative Zone be a success.
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Karen's intelligence was always a bit confusing.
At times she behaved incredibly dumb, other times she was one of the fastest to realize something(specifically referring to her at the end of Zero Requiem, but I suppose that may just be her absolute loyalty and trust in Lelouch shining through again, one of her subconscious rationalizations gaining enough real support to be recognized immediately)
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>>151640071
Charles succeeds and destroys individuality, the collective soul is trapped in the past forever.
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>>151636128
Lelouch doesn't have a fucking Code
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>>151640243
And getting stabbed through the hard is totally survivable(^:
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>>151640612
We don't know how S3 is going to work. They might do some silly shit like outright bringing Lelouch back from the dead with a geass power.
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>>151640673
Well, I mean, we know for a fact that Marianne's Geass power existed so it's not exactly "outright silly", if disappointing.
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>>151640673
honestly think they will go with the most popular fan theory. I don't see any reason not to.
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>>151640243
[citation needed]
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Nevertheless, it was all worth it for Smugzaku and Emperor Lelouch
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Kallen's VA was pretty great, now that I think about it
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>>151623087
Wait, what? Isn't it widely accepted that R2 was the better season?
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>>151640939
Upon rewatching CG a short while ago I couldn't stop hearing Ryuko from KLK whenever Kallen spoke.
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>>151640071
Seeing the Zero Requiem is likely to be partially successful due to S3 being made, I'd say the SAZ would also be partially successful, but at the end there will be a civil Japanese war between hardcore independence wankers Ala 4 Holy Swords, Six Houses of Kyoto vs SAZ supporters.
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Place your bets
>Lelouch fucks C.C.
>Lelouch doesn't fuck C.C., fucks someone else instead
>Lelouch remains a virgin forever
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>>151641564
Lelouch will forever be a pure maiden. Alternatively,
>>Lelouch doesn't fuck C.C., fucks someone else instead
Nunnally like he always wanted.
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>>151641616
I don't think Lelouch will ever meet Nunnaly again.
Perhaps on her deathbed, if he's immortal.
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>>151641564

Lelou will forever remain pure.

I do hope they resurrect Shirley so that she can die again
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>>151641729
Why do people hate Shirley? She didn't do anything wrong
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>>151623087
Nah, it's pretty much shit.

It's catchy af but its massive plot holes and deus ex machina ruined it a lot.
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>>151641805

I think Shirley is best girl but she is fated to suffer.
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>>151641654
I think he'll meet Nunnally again. I can't imagine a season where he doesn't interact with Suzaku and Suzaku is now with Nunnally like he wanted.
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>>151641564
He's doomed to celibacy.
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>>151641962
Suzaku isn't with Nunnaly all the time.
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The only appeal of code geass is seeing how much of a shitshow /a/ became during its time

Fags todays are lucky with their 'generals' and shit
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