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Is Asuka at the end of EoE an artificial person?

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I just watched Tarkovsky's Solaris and can't help but ask myself this question. Is she some sort of replicant created ad nihilo from the living ocean, like the physical manifestation of his desire?
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It's Evangelion so no reason to overthink it.
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no it's asuka
but it obviously also represents women and human interaction in general

has anyone seen the live-action deleted scenes btw? I don't know if it would drastically improve the film or ruin it. love the line about men calling themselves idiots as if it absolves them of blame, its just 2 real
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>>151611498
Well, Shinji WAS a god for a bit, so that is probably not beyond his power. But I think it fits better with my shipping the characters' development for Asuka to decide to return from the tang of her own volition.
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It's just that there's so many similarities between the two movies and between Hana and Asuka that I can't get the question out of my mind.
I want to believe they met again and accepted each-other. On the other hand, the selfish option, the idea that he forgot about someone important in favor of a fake he created for his amusement, sounds just to real to ignore.
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>>151612335
Occam's razor.
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>>151611848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBs3VsNfdY
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>>151612824
I like this scene, shows that without Shinji and actual human interaction Asuka would become a copy of Misato, finding the pleasure of being needed in sex, which is disgusting
Don't know why M A S T E R didn't include it in the final cut
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>>151614159
Probably too much liveaction for an animated movie
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>>151614159
I was sure I saw it last time I rewatched the movie. Maybe I'm just misremembering, it's been 2 years.
Also children "learn" relationships from their parents.
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>>151611498
>created ad nihilo

What did he mean by this, because that's neither a philosophical axiom nor grammatically correct Latin.
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Could be but I doubt it.

We already saw his dream world in the TV show, why would he dream of such a horrible end to live in? Especially after outright saying he was rejecting instrumentality.

Why would the object of his desires be so complex and hateful?
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>>151614159
The master knows best
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>>151611498

No, it's actually her. It's in character for her to want to leave instrumentality. Note how at first she was happy to see Shinji even when he choked her, but then expressed disgust when he started crying like a little bitch.
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>>151615463
Makes sense, I need to watch it again.
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>>151614159
>pleasure of being needed
That's not a real female emotion
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>>151615463
I like to think Asuka said that with a sarcastic smirk on her face, in reference to the ol' yogurt hand.
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>>151611498
Could be. It's a fair interpretation.

Rei saw Shinji was lonely, and crafted Asuka. Shinji knows this, and attacks Asuka.
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>>151616004
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Why does Kaworu call himself the 1st angel in the rebuilds?
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>>151611498
I don't understand, if Asuka hated so much Shinji why did she follow him back to this world?
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>>151616369
She both loved him and hated him and herself and the feeling was mutual.
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>>151614821
It's an example of a dumb person trying to sound smart.
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>>151615463
>Note how at first she was happy to see Shinji even when he choked her
She has literally the same expression throughout the beach scene.
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>>151616369
>why did she follow him back to this world?
because they are the same, its safe to assume just like how Shinji met his mother and other experiences; Asuka must of have had a similar experience.

The show in total makes Asuka the same depressed-kid as Shinji is, she just with a facade hiding it.
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>>151616317
Because he's Adam himself, or one aspect of Adam.
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>>151616739
>or one aspect of Adam.
Different anon just to say

what do you mean?
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>>151611498
>2016 is over
>people are still discussing this stupid scene
It's official. Anno won.
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>>151616679
I don't believe you, nice try kiddo
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>>151616453
How can you tell that she loved him?
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>>151616793
One is an avatar, the other is the real thing. Both the same person but one is without limits.
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>>151616941
Watch the movie and the last 2 episodes again.
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>>151616941
It's obvious she wanted Shinji to show her affection but if you could classify that as love is debatable.

>>151616793
Kawru has Adam's soul.

>>151616825
You can rewatch the scene and confirm for yourself.
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>>151617178
Directors cut?
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>>151617381
Yes.
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You guys are all complete idiots. I almost spelled it out for you too. But do you seriously believe that the same exact scenario would not have happened if it were any other pairing of pitiful introvert and extroverted cunt?
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>>151612762
Occams Razor gives OP the win though. We've already established the possibility of creating copies or illusions of people. Asuka's reaction in the end of the movie had no precedence and is out of character, and is inhuman - that's not how people react to being choked.

Rei may just have created Asuka so Shinji wouldn't be lonely. The lack of mortality, fear of death that Asuka showed earlier is very out of character, and the very basic "kimochi warui" retort could simply be some form of parroting a now dead and tanged Asuka.

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>>151611498
Only thing I don't get, is why do you think Hana's situation is like Asuka's and not Rei's?
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>>151617772
Reaching pretty hard here. I don't see how Asuka's reaction is out of character, as she wanted to show her affection to Shinji from pretty early on, she just had no way to do it without breaking her walls down.

And the retort is a super Asuka thing to say, since it can be interpreted as either sarcastic, or teasing, and is a reference to something Shinji did related to Asuka.
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>>151617772
>Only thing I don't get, is why do you think Hana's situation is like Asuka's and not Rei's?
Because Hana luuuuuuvs Kelvin.
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>>151618026
>I don't see how Asuka's reaction is out of character,
I explained it - her aversion to death as last shown would not be consistent with her non-reaction at being killed.
In addition, normal reaction to being choked out of the blue like this is fear, dread, horror and attempt to escape. The lack of facial reaction and more don't add up either.

>as she wanted to show her affection to Shinji from pretty early on, she just had no way to do it without breaking her walls down.
This is just a buzzphrase that means nothing - it's an oft-repeated one among shippers, and it holds no value.

>And the retort is a super Asuka thing to say, since it can be interpreted as either sarcastic, or teasing, and is a reference to something Shinji did related to Asuka.

That was my point, the sarcastic and offensive remark is classic Asuka, as Asuka herself is quite vile and nasty. But there's a difference between words and action here, she's passive and then offensive at the same time.

The very basicness, this imitation of the "classic Asuka" actually ends up lending weight to it being a replication. Just like a puppet version of a real person repeats a commonly used "classic phrase", so does this puppet Asuka.

>>151618169
Aha, so it's a shipper thing. Discarding your existence, then.
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If Shinji reacted to the kiss in some way (holding her waist or her cheeks like couples do), do you think Asuka's mental breakdown could have been prevented?
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>>151618464
>If Shinji wasn't such a fag would things not have been quite as fucked up?
yes
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>>151618464
No, Asuka is worthless and Shinji did right in having none of that crazy nonsense. Just about the one thing Shinji did right.
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>>151618215
>I explained it - her aversion to death as last shown would not be consistent with her non-reaction at being killed.

This ignores an important bit of her character development. The last time we see Asuka displaying her obsessive fear of death is right before her fight with the MPAs. This scene is transformative, as this is when she finally communicates with her mother. At the bottom of the lake, I believe some of her mental scars heal up somewhat, since she shows fearlessness and courage for the rest of the battle, until her death. She dies wanting to fight, instead of cowering. ("KILL, KILL, KILL" instead of "I don't wanna die, I don't wanna die")

After EoE, while she probably still has the normal fear of death any living being has, she doesn't have this disturbed, unhealthy view of death she'd had since her mother's suicide.

Also, I think her passiveness could very well be attributed to good old shock. Shinji also has the ol' dead eyes for a while there, and she did just reconstitute from the Tang. I think it's likely Shinji was the same right after he returned.
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>>151618734
> This scene is transformative, as this is when she finally communicates with her mother. At the bottom of the lake, I believe some of her mental scars heal up somewhat, since she shows fearlessness and courage for the rest of the battle, until her death. She dies wanting to fight, instead of cowering. ("KILL, KILL, KILL" instead of "I don't wanna die, I don't wanna die")

This doesn't make sense. How does shouting "KILL KILL KILL" override something she's said earlier, and not only that, why don't you see that it's what youd' expect someone to say when they are threatened with death?

You're stuck between acknowledging that Asuka is little more than a plot device whose development doesn't matter, or accepting that the final scene Asuka is out of character.

The rest was just fanwank with no support in canon.
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>>151618673
But their conflict was one of the main themes of the anime, how they felt about themselves. If they just fugged that would change everything.
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>>151618954
>Implying both of our arguments, and this whole discussion, and all discussion concerning EVA for the last 15 years isn't 100% fanwank.

Cmon, are you arguing that Asuka didn't go through any character development at the bottom of the lake? And if she did, what was it if not starting to heal her psychological wounds?
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>>151619109
>Cmon, are you arguing that Asuka didn't go through any character development at the bottom of the lake? And if she did, what was it if not starting to heal her psychological wounds?

I'm suggesting that you accept the reality of what EoE is and isn't. Asuka has no character development. It's all in your head, because you're an obsessive fanboy. What makes you different from people at fanfiction.net ?

If Evangelion is a show about resisting escapism, why are you giving into it so easily?
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>>151619258
>Thinking there is character development in the character-driven show famous for its complex characters is being an obsessive fanboy, and giving in to escapism.

Wew lad. It's a shame, this was a kinda interesting discussion. Welp, it was nice while it lasted.
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>>151619258
>this entire post
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>>151619258
Not anon but that's such a bullshit response. Why talk about any anime at all? Why post on /a/? Why watch any entertainment at all, if it's just an escape from reality!?

Accept that you lost the argument because you have no response other than to attack the character of the person you're responding to.
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>>151619399
>>151619442
>>151619467
Save me the false indignation. That's what people who just confronted something they know is true, but can't debate do. That's why it has to go over to the personal level. Because you won't cease lying or spreading nonsense, we have to stop and ask "why are you doing this?".

The truth doesn't change. All of the things you suggest are off screen, therefore what you are suggesting is a fantasy of your own. It's not canonical, it's a sequence of events you made up to fill in a hole in the series.

Is your version of events the right one? Not necessarily of course, and as you can see already, your version is unrealistic and out of character. OP is practically cheating by suggesting a version that could "technically" be true because it inherently includes illusions. But in OP's case, there's less contradictions and Occam's Razor gives him the advantage here.
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>>151619258
>being this retarded
>not even understanding how ironic this sounds
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>>151619736
>being this much of a retarded, butthurt asukafag

You signal yourselves miles away.
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>>151619682 (You)
Here's your (you). I'm out. Disgusting.
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>>151619682
>out of character
The whole show is a slow development of a persona known as Shinji Ikari, who in the end accepts the world that gave him nearly nothing but pain because he still thinks that it's worth it. Is it not out of character, you literal mongoloid? And before you shit out another "it's a fanwank" argument he says it clearly and loudly, that he's grown up now, that he accepts it, that it's okay to be hurt. Shinji, a supposed pussy who was so full of himself and afraid of people, whose pussy acting killed his guardian and friend now says that he doesn't give a fuck and is alright with the shit he lived through. Is it not out of character, you idiot?
Besides, the meaning of the scene is more about the whole situation with human interaction.
Theories exist and everyone finds something for himself in Eva. That's why Anno didn't give us the answers. Everyone must have his own meaning.
3/10 b8 btw, learn to dig deeply
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>>151619682
I'm not spreading nonsense, I'm giving my subjective interpretation of a very ambiguous scene. What I'm suggesting is just as much a non-canonical fantasy as what OP is suggesting.

Occam's razor isn't a button that makes you win the debate, it's just a principle that suggests that the theory with the least assumptions is probably the right one.

If we play the assumption game, I could say that for OP's theory to be real, we have to assume a ton of stuff as well. Using Occam's Razor as a golden rule while analyzing ambiguous movie scenes is fruitless anyway, since the lack of information forces us to use lots of assumptions either way.
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>>151619865
>projecting
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>>151619865
woah, nice answer, bud, you really changed my mind about you
>projecting this hard
Are you even trying?
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>>151620087
>I'm not spreading nonsense, I'm giving my subjective interpretation of a very ambiguous scene

Yes, but you've given one that produces out of character results and is actually worse than the nonsense OP wrote.

>Occam's razor isn't a button that makes you win the debate
I didn't suggest using it, another anon did, possibly even you did earlier. I'm just saying that contrary to what that anon stated, be it you or not, it's actually the other way around. Occam's Razor fails to give you any benefits here.

>If we play the assumption game, I could say that for OP's theory to be real, we have to assume a ton of stuff as well.
Yes, but as discussed earlier, it'd be less and therefore work out better.

>>151620053
>Theories exist and everyone finds something for himself in Eva. That's why Anno didn't give us the answers. Everyone must have his own meaning.

Now here's where you're retarded, when all theories and interpretations are equally valid, then perhaps people like you, the OP and the rest should stop being such cunts about pushing your own theories. In the end all you're doing is jerking yourself off with Evangelion.

The best part? It's not a theory, it's a fact.
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>>151620190
>>151620118
>>151620053
>>151619963
>>151619736
>>151619442
>>151619399
It's uncanny how Asukafags end up outright shitposting when countered with something they don't like, even if t's true.
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>>151620274
Welcome to 4chan, I notice you just came from reddit. Remember to lurk more before posting.
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>>151620234
I've just proved you that your argument with Asuka acting "out of character" is retarded, because the show doesn't establish the abscence of character development and proves it with showing us closely how the main character completely changes himself and does the most out of character thing in the history of anime. I'm not saying that your theory isn't valid, in fact, i don't give a fuck about it, I'm saying that your argument is retarded and you shouldn't use it or people will laugh at you. An once again you misunderstand me, just leave this thread, your b8 is shit once again. At least think it through
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>>151620483
>I've just proved you that your argument with Asuka acting "out of character" is retarded, because the show doesn't establish the abscence of character development

You didn't, kiddo. Cute of you to try thinking you did, but do you know how you assert absence of something? By not having it. Thus by not having scenes where Asuka develops, we have absolutely proven there are no character development scenes. You want there to be development for your favorite character, because anything else is embarrasing for you right? Unfortunately,you're in the wrong here.

Make like Shinji and man up about it.
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>>151620483
You're overthinking it. Asuka is a plot device in EoE, that's why you can only speculate what happens to Asuka.
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>>151616369
She didn't follow him, you retarded shipper. She rejected Instrumentality of her own accord.
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>>151622582
Except some significant time past before she regained her corporeal form. She said even during Instrumentality that she would rather die than be with him.
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>>151622582
>>151622713
Neither can be proven. Asuka is simply a device for the viewer to insert themself into.
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>>151617772
>We've already established the possibility of creating copies or illusions of people.
The illusion people only existed inside of instrumentality, Shinji's wish was for people to be able to choose to leave instrumentality for themselves. I don't see why Rei would dick Shinji over by making a fake Asuka when she could just as easily give him the real thing.

>he lack of mortality, fear of death that Asuka showed earlier is very out of character, and the very basic "kimochi warui" retort could simply be some form of parroting a now dead and tanged Asuka.
Out of character for normal Asuka maybe, but at the start of the movie she was in a catatonic state, it's not that much of a stretch to say she may have returned to relative unresponsiveness after all the shit she went through.
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>>151618999
They would have been better off, but given the nature of the angels they were doomed to encounter, and the plotting of both Gendo and Seele, things were inevitably going to go to shit.
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>>151623142
>The illusion people only existed inside of instrumentality

Mhm, no. Consider the Ritsuko illusion Maya sees - physically present.

>Shinji's wish was for people to be able to choose to leave instrumentality for themselves. I don't see why Rei would dick Shinji over by making a fake Asuka when she could just as easily give him the real thing.
Who are you or Shinji to question the whims of the gods?

>Out of character for normal Asuka maybe, but at the start of the movie she was in a catatonic state, it's not that much of a stretch to say she may have returned to relative unresponsiveness after all the shit she went through.

Anything is a stretch because there's no development.
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>>151620837
Rei is also the literal definition of a plot device, but Asuka has scenes that develop her as a character. There is no need for those if she's just a plot device, she would just do things, like Rei.
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>>151623357
>Rei is also the literal definition of a plot device
No, Rei is a an fulfilled character. Doesn't fit the description.

>but Asuka has scenes that develop her as a character. There is no need for those if she's just a plot device, she would just do things, like Rei.

You have it the other way around. The majority of scenes for Asuka in late NGE including EoE simply have no cohesion, she's largely static and the only change are left for the viewers to imagine, hence the thread topic.

Rei's character is more consistent over the series, and has development through it that adds up till the finale.
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>>151616739
Rebuild has four distinct things called Adam, that were always four since they had their own spears, that aren't referred to as Angels, numbered with the Angels, or referenced as the origin of Angels.
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>>151623515
Rebuild is trash. Get the fuck out.
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>>151623355
>physically present
The whole post is handwaving and side stepping, but this specifically is simply false. We only see the illusion people from the point of view of the various characters, and they disappear once the characters get tanged. In the shots of NERV afterwards there are only puddles of tang everywhere.

>>151623513
Ah I think I understand now. You're a raging Reifag. Well, I guess it all makes sense now.
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>>151623582
>>151623582
>The whole post is handwaving and side stepping, but this specifically is simply false.

It's not, it's the truth - we see illusion Ritsuko physically moving objects. Even if that wasn't the case, it'd simply be shinji's illusion in the end.
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>>151623355
>Who are you or Shinji to question the whims of the gods?
Were you not just earlier in the thread claiming Occam's razor?
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>>151623664
Pretty sure that was the inane Asukafag who didn't like OP's theory.
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>>151623693
No, you're the one that was talking about Occam's razor here >>151619682
Also I'm not inane, baka.
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>>151623582
>Ah I think I understand now. You're a raging Reifag. Well, I guess it all makes sense now.

Mmm, no. It's that you're a raging Asukafag, and your response to being lectured about the characters is to shout "Reifag". Feel free to debate it if you disagree, though. Asuka is largely comatose in the final stretch of Evangelion, and does nothing - she does not develop. There's backstoy segments, but that's not development as it doesn't change anything about the state of the character.

Contrast that with Rei, who's up and walking, reflecting and actually doing things. The development story of Rei which concerns Gendo and Shinji, as well as her own identity comes to full fruition both in the series and EoE. But with Asuka, she's just along for the ride and is used as a foil to Shinji, and is per definition a plot device as she lacks development of her own.
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>>151623744
If that was you here: >>151612762
then you're inane.

Occam's razor is just a principle, and this case OP wins out despite how lousy the theory is. Doesn't have to mean the OP is right.
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>>151614821
Thank god I'm not the only person who realized this

REEEEEEEE

It would be ab nihilo, and it doesn't express anything more expansive than "from nothing," so there's no fucking reason to use the Latin other than to sound smart.

sasuga eva threads
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>>151623513
>No, Rei is a an fulfilled character.

The fuck do you mean fulfilled? The entire purpose of her character is that she is hollowed, emotionless, mass-production waifu-bait.

You need to embrace reality anon. I'm sick and tired of you Rei-fags living in this fantasy. She's not a real person, nor a fully though out character!! Stop using FANTASY to escape REALITY anon!!!!
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>>151624026
>The fuck do you mean fulfilled? The entire purpose of her character is that she is hollowed, emotionless, mass-production waifu-bait.

That's not the purpose of the character, that's your frustration leading you to insult a character. Stop being so envious.

See >>151624026

Basically Rei has a dilemma and things to fix in her life, the series and her character is about fixing those things. This makes her like Shinji and unlike Asuka, because Asuka doesn't have such a thing.

Asuka is simply made static and used as a foil.
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>>151619258
>>151618734

>that scene

instant hard on every time
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>>151624182
The fact that you just discard as "static" one third of the main cast shows either how delusional you are about Rei being as important as possible, or... Well, no, that's probably it actually. All three of then have "things to fix", and they all "try to fix them", to use your expression.
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>>151624323
>The fact that you just discard as "static" one third of the main cast shows either how delusional you are about Rei being as important as possible

Pretty sure you're getting your cunt so worked up you lose your ability to read. It refers to the end of series content, quite specifically in earlier posts. I'm for a factual representation of the characters, which is what I've given.

You're just getting mad. Also, who are you leaving out?

Misato, Shinji, Asuka, Rei, that's four people. You're the one who's dismissing main cast characters here, not me.
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>>151624412
Character importance tier:

1. Shinji, Asuka, Rei, Misato
2. Gendo, Kaji, Ritsuko, Kaworu
3. Toji, Kensuke, Hikari, Fuyutski, Yui, that bitch.
4. Random Nerv personnel, SEELE

Special tier: Pen-Pen
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Rei is the better character and girl regardless. Part of the reason anything except EoE and Evangelion blows is because the franchise has become too focused to cater to asuka fans, not ot mentio the kaworu fans.
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>>151624732
>ReiXShinji shippers

disgusting crack ship
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>>151624793
Excuse me? It's just a picture of Rei and Shinji together where Shinji's crying, that happened in NGE too.

This is the problem with Asuka "fans". You're just shippers who know Asuka is garbage, but you've bought into a ship and now you're extremely defensive about it.
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>>151624842
>I was merely pretending

Yeah, holding hands surely doesn't mean your a shipper, nope...

>Asuka is garbage

Notice reifags can never explain why she's a bad character, its safe to ignore their autism.
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>>151624732
The reason there's no such thing as Rei threads, the reason that they can only really exist in Asuka threads, of which we have day, is just because there's not much to get about Rei. What you see is what you get. There's nothing to talk about there.
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>>151624926
Did you forget the episode six? Man, what's your problem?

>Notice reifags can never explain why she's a bad character, its safe to ignore their autism.
I see good explanations in this thread.
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>>151624984
>I see good explanations in this thread.

this is terrible bait
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>>151624926
No, you're definitely overreacting. Does this picture also get you angry?

When I said Asuka is "garbage", I mean that she's a shitty unstable person as a character. She stacks up poorly against Rei. If there's anything bad about Asuka's character, it's that it never really goes anywhere. It's simply a list of problems that the author never gets to address properly, even in EoE.

>>151624957
There's plenty of Rei threads, all things considered. They get bombed by asuka fans spamming pictures of toilets and what more, though.
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>>151625101
That just makes Asuka a real character with real human flaws, not a bad character.

Rei doesn't seem to have any flaws and that's what your parotting. Rei is a mary sue in the deepest sense, that's what I would say is the sign of a terrible character.
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>>151625101
there is not, I don't think there's even been one for a month, and if they do show up, 20 replies tops.

ctrl f Rei = 6 results, 5 not about Rei and the other one is an asuka thread making fun of rei

ctrl f asuke = eight results, all about asuka

and that doesn't count general genesis threads which also don't talk about Rei
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I had a sinking suspicion that we'd been rused by a master trolle for most of this thread. I'm kinda relieved it's just a Reifag genuinely believing in all this dumb shit.
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Ayanami is only only really popular among Japanese, but Asuka is among the West because she represents western beauty and personality.
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>>151625182
>That just makes Asuka a real character with real human flaws, not a bad character.

No, it doesn't. Having flaws doesn't mean a character is good or bad. In this case it means something for you personally, because you can't say that e.g "Asuka is a better person than Rei". You spend all this time denying Rei's personhood and individuality, but when it all adds up, Rei is still a better person than Asuka. That annoys you.

>>151625207
From the archive, what I'm seeing is persistent anons shitposting about Asuka, even Asuka fans making threads about Rei apparently. If anything this simply shows that Rei fans are better mannered, and might just keep to /c/ instead where there's more Rei threads than Asuka threads.

There's also a proven majority of Asuka fans on /a/ since 2008 if I remember correctly, so it's not really strange. In fact /a/ is a rather sad case since it has been plagued by a handful of extremely autistic, dumb Asuka fans who repeatedly repost porn, pictures of toilets etc... in some childish attempt to derail a thread.

Then of course, Rei's popularity has been trending downwards over the years.

>>151625336
Not true actually, right now Asuka is more popular in Japan.
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>>151625366
>a perfect person is what makes a good character

please never write stories
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>>151611498
Tang is the people and people can get out of tang if they wish according to Rei.
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>>151625366
>proves you wrong
>all that proves is that I'm better-mannered

whew, talk about a flip flop
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>>151625323
Asuka fans such as yourself don't want to deal with the real Evangelion or the real Asuka, you just want to fantasize and shitpost more or less.
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>>151625422
>a perfect person is what makes a good character
>please never write stories

God you're sick, I never even implied that or wrote it. I said it gets you mad and frustrated, and you're just proving me right.

>>151625435
You didn't prove me wrong, you just showed to a bunch of Asuka threads where one was to make fun of Rei, you didn't really have a point to make in the first place.
One thing is that Asuka fans have long since stopped debating and are now resorting to circlejerks instead, since they lose every single analytical discussion about Evangelion.
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>>151625366
>Not true actually, right now Asuka is more popular in Japan.

You're wrong, because there was an exclusive-Japan poll who were the most popular NGE characters, back before they did Sadomoto manga, and Ayanami and Nagisa were among the top, Asuka was last.

Like I said, Asuka is the most popular in the west.
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>>151625518
>says there are plenty of Rei threads
>gets shown there isn't
>you didn't prove me wrong though
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>>151625601
>You're wrong, because there was an exclusive-Japan poll who were the most popular NGE characters, back before they did Sadomoto manga, and Ayanami and Nagisa were among the top, Asuka was last.

Yeah, NGE characters. We Rebuild now, unfortunately. In everything from Saimoe to fanart/doujin production, Asuka has long overtaken Rei. Post-Q it actually got worse.

There's been extensive Asuka fan pandering for the past decade and more, which goes to explain the change in popularity. The opposite has happened with Rei.

>>151625618
You forgot the "all considering" part. Why do you Asuka fans consistently leave out facts when it doesn't suit them?
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>>151611498
Shinji's gay. He isn't natural either.
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>>151625695
Didn't Asuka get less screentime in rebuild? They also removed Asuka's love/hate relationship with Shinji and replaced it with Nagisa/Ayanami instead. While giving Asuka/Mari angle.
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>>151625695
what?
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>>151625769
>masturbates to Asuka and looks at her boobs all the time
>gay
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>>151625825
I also remember they downgraded Asuka's boob, so lame..
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>>151625825
Less is more - the screentime they cut are the negative aspects of Asuka's character. The things they changed are positively enforcing things, such as removing the incomfortable relationship between Asuka and Kaji while remodeling Asuka to be a deep-down good person who also does good.

Also perhaps you haven't noticed, but Asuka's character is now entirely about Shinji. Anything else is simply gone, it's the only person she has any sort of relation with, even in 3.33 where her relationship with Mari is in classic otaku-bait style left to the imagination.

This is what Asuka fans want deep down, as exemplified by the nasty reaction of >>151624793
to a picture depicting Rei and Shinji, and not even in a clear-cut romantic context. Of all the things they could have an issue there or feel bad about, the shipping was it.

Questions?

>>151625869
?
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>>151624616
What is that, by proportion of fanart?

1. Shinji, Misato, Gendo
2. Rei, Asuka, Ritsuko, Kaji, Fuyutsuki
3. Toji, Kensuke, Hikari, Maya, Hyuga, Aoba
4. Angels, Seele, Yui, Naoko, Kyoko
5. Pen-Pen*, Nebukawa-sensei, Tokita

*becomes 2nd tier while associated with Shinji's penis
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>>151626103
The other list is more accurate. Gendo is important, but he's more there as a symbol and a foil. He has no character development himself.
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>>151626056
>Also perhaps you haven't noticed, but Asuka's character is now entirely about Shinji.

I haven't bothered watching 3.33 but I heard they completely eroded Shinji and Asuka's relationship. The rivalry, the lust, the conflict and the similar past and how they relate. Which was so crucial in NGE.

They soposively completely erased that dynamic and made them bitter enemies. Asuka wants to kill Shinji, where this would never happen in NGE.
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>>151626371
yeah because shinji strangled and crushed her and also left her all alone
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>>151626371
>I haven't bothered watching 3.33 but I heard they completely eroded Shinji and Asuka's relationship. The rivalry, the lust, the conflict and the similar past and how they relate. Which was so crucial in NGE.

To be frank, none of that is necessary for shippers. If you're hearing this from Asuka fans, it means they're simply complaining that they didn't get more than they already did. If it's from Kaworu fans, it's because they're trying to downplay the inevitable interaction they'll have in the next movie.

>They soposively completely erased that dynamic and made them bitter enemies. Asuka wants to kill Shinji, where this would never happen in NGE.

It's simply a tsundere dynamic at this point. Asuka wanting to "kill" someone is at this stage clearly just her playing the tsun side, 3.33 features also moments where Asuka things about Shinji, gets watery eyes at the thought of him saving her, and in the finale when she actually get to Shinji, holds his hands instead.

Asuka fans are the most spoiled fans in all of EVA right next to Kaworu fans. They just don't know shame and have no qualms in pretending "nothing happened" - in truth that's when you know someone is protecting a status quo. They enjoy the pandering, and now prefer Rebuild Asuka to NGE Asuka.
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>>151626423
Oh, she doesn't know that it was the dummy program?
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>>151626557
I doubt it. No one fucking tells anyone anything in Evangelion, so she probably just assumes it was Shinji cause it was his robot. She was very aware of what was happening to her, even if she was possessed by an angel.
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>>151626557
Not >>151626423
but it doesn't matter to Asuka fans or shippers. They're spoiled and so any affront to their waifu Asuka must be punished.

That includes Shinji and Rei.
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>>151626557
>>151626614
I didn't get the impression Asuka cared about that. She's clearly mad at him for more personal reasons than anything to do with Impacts but he was still baka-Shinji until he left with Nerv. And when Asuka was too surprised to remember she'd renamed him.
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>>151626840
So what personal reasons could it be, them not having seen each other since?

3.33 and Rebuild is pretty much cancer.
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>>151626543
Oh so Asuka does care about Shinj in the movies? I thought they were bitter enemies, like they made one of them anti-heroes.

>>151626840
What are those personal reasons, then?
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>>151626875
she's mad that she couldn't get laid for fourteen years because she's stuck in the body of a child and no one will embrace her, and so she needs shinji, the only other fourteen year old kid left on earth.
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>>151627072
This is the dumbest shit I've heard. Realistically, every guy at WILLE would have porked her by now, and since Asuka is a megaslut originally, she'd even have tried a few cocks over at NERV.

Age of sexual consent is 14 in Japan, and who has EVER heard a japanese man who's "just not into 14 year olds" ? Doesn't exist. Particularly not in a wild west future.

But naturally, they've probably made her a young permavirgin and paired her up with Mari in order to cater to otaku. To cater to fucks as you who actually get to believe that dumb shit you wrote.
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>>151627072
>>151626543
That's weird, from what I've heard from Marifags was that Asuka is a lesbian in the rebuild movies.
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>>151627068
Fucked if I know. She uses his old nickname then changes it because he's the same as he was then.
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>>151627303
lol, yeah, okay, if Asuka's a lesbian, then Shinji's gay lmao.
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>>151627341
Seriously though, is Asuka a lesbian in rebuild movies or that's just shippers saying that?
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>>151627405
She chases Shinji mostly. She tried to make him a dinner for some reason and she crawled into his bed.

People are just too autistic too understand they aren't going to waste time showing us shit we already know. Why waste time on Asuka's backstory when we all already know it?
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>>151627507
WEW, they actually made Asuka head over heals for Shinji in the movie?
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>>151627572
why don't you just watch the movie?
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>>151627622
Because I've heard bad things about it and everyone I've talked to call it the Star Wars Prequels or Dragon Ball GT, you know the thing that ruins the series reputation.

Give it a shot?
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