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What went right?
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>>151586054
Di-Di-Di
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>>151586054
Everything
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>>151586054
pokemon overshadowed it
pokemon was more natural
pokemon had better designs
pokemon had better writing
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>>151586054
Mimi.
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wargreymon, damn evolution was rad as fuck.
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>>151586054
As far as I'm concerned, only the first anime exists, and it was perfect.
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fuck you op

I just spent the past 30 minutes looking up digimon because nostalgia
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>>151586054
It explored themes that no other kid show did at the time not only in Japan, but worldwide.

The Ost was great, both the japanese and american.

It also, unlike Pokemon, had a goal that could be acomplished in a reasonable amount of time, even it that one was far greater.

And lastly, it had a compelling cast, with character arcs that were benefited by the interactions between the kids.
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>>151586365
me2 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hRqTmr3CFU

for anybody who can't find it. many of them are without video

did you see tri btw? I think it was quite ok, but not so much focus on the actual digivolutions unfortunately and too much on drama shit.
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>>151586185
>pokemon had better designs
>pokemon had better writing
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
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>>151586054
The evolution sequences are better than tri's.
I liked the kids' character arcs.
Vamdemon was a charmer.
The ost was great.
Wargreymon
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Am I the only one who loved Frontier over Tamers?
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> What went right

* Monster designs
* Narrative direction
* Characters
* Worldbuilding
* Villains
* Environment/background design
* Games/Manga

> What didn't go right

* Character designs (lots of quality)
* Dialogue
* Evolution bloat (criss-crossing lines and too many stages)
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>>151586185
writing was apples and oranges

>>151586556
pokemon does have better designs though
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>>151586582
I did

but I was a kid when I watched Tamers and 02 so I should watch it again to reaffirm how good is the former and how shit is the latter.
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>>151586708
stop baiting son. what is the point? look at this thread, there aren't even that many people posting, just true fans. have you no shame?
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Tell me why Appli monsters is the absolute worst thing ever to happen to the digimon franchise.

I would rather watch fucking yokai watch.
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I never did finish Digimon World 2.

kinda want to play it again.
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>>151586767
problem with it is that shitty-ass transition section that happens every time you leave and return to the city.

takes too damn long
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>>151586756
I watch it for the plot.
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>>151586279
>As far as I'm concerned, only the first anime exists, and it was perfect.
Then you are missing out dude, Tamers is atleast just as good as Adventures.
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>>151586054
I liked Hikari and Taichi's relationship, because the relationship I have with my sister is so bad. ;_;
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>>151586944
>Tamersfags

Tamers is the most fucking overrated piece of shit ever. The entire first half of the series is half assed and generic as shit. The ONLY thing that keeps it from being trash tier is impmon. Hell, impmon ends up saving so much of the series that it's insane.

D-Reaper while a bit overdone, was admittedly pretty good, but you fucks forget that tamers was more than the d-reaper and surrounding arcs.

Biomerge, gallantmon and impmon were two of the only good things to come out of this shit. I personally liked Cyberdramon/justimon, but I'm generally alone in that opinion.
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>>151587068
>Calumon
>Marineagemon
>guardromon
>obligatory leomon
>lopmon

Ruki was painfully generic/tedious and I cannot begin to understand how people liked guilmon.

Lee wasn't bad though.
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>>151586185
>pokemon had better writing
>hamfisted "evolution is bad!" message episodes to shill cutesy mascotmons, even though most kids wanted to see them evolve
>writers are too retarded to tell the difference between Rock and Ground types, and ignore Ground's Electric immunity anyways most of the time
>pretty much every single gym battle was pure bullshit in one way or another
>the series rushing through the first six gyms (while doing 4-6 out of order), then suddenly going into filler hell to shill Yellow and spinoff games like Snap
>major plot events and locations (Game Corner, Lavender Town, Silph Co., etc) glossed over for more Jessie and James antics and Pokemon of the day
>characters catching Pokemon on a whim, then nearly never using them (Brock's Zubat, Misty's Horsea, Jessie's Lickitung, etc)
>Ash losing the league to a weaker clone of himself just because his Pokemon fell asleep
And that's just the very first season.
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I'm convinced that the people who praise Digimon Adventure haven't seen it in 15 years. I'm currently rewatching it and it's bad in so many ways.
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>>151587258
I watched it again around 2 years ago and loved it.
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For me, the kids got swapped out, so even if there's a particular faggot that was being faggier than usual (Miyako), you could breathe in relief knowing they weren't coming back for the next season, unless it was Adventure. The mons also talked, adding a layer of personality and development if done right.

The less popular something is, the better the quality. Digimon phasing out in the US means you get actual people who took the effort to look into it from there on and not be faggots.

>>151586944
I'm starting Tamers soon, I've finished 02 and loved it. Subbed Digimon is vastly superior to the dub, but I give credit that the dub from what I remember actually handled things decently. I already know the kid on the left is a faggot and I won't like him.
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>>151587548
>I already know the kid on the left is a faggot and I won't like him.
What Jen is pretty cool though.
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>>151587548
I think the faggot is in the middle.
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>>151586944
just not adventure enough
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>>151587808
Hey Takato maybe a beta usually, but he always mans up and takes the lead when shit went sideways especially later on.
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out of all the one's i've watched

3>1>2>4>5

fight me
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>>151588174
01 > Xros Wars > very end of Xros hunters > 02 > tamers > savers > frontier >>>> applimonsters
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>>151588174
>the show with with based KENKA BANCHOU that low
I will
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>>151588174
You still need to watch Xros Wars, Tri and Universe.

Come back when your training is finished, otherwise your comments shall not have a valid point.
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>>151588216
Forgot that xros hunters should either be behind frontier.
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>>151588216
Fuck the insane fan service at end of hunters was so good.
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Adventure and 02 were the only series worth a damn. That retrospective they put out was great

https://youtu.be/V4JD0oDI2HQ

No wonder the ratings plummited after 02 and the franchise is dead. It just lost the magic and went from one gimmick to the next. I can see why Pocket Monsters stuck around. Pokemon only got better as time went on Digimon got worse
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>>151588536
Bracing for the 02 hate train because their favorite character got shipped with someone they didn't like in the last 5 minutes.

new 02 characters kind of sucked aswell.
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>>151588536
Magnamon was one of the best evolutions in the entire show.

The entire ken plot was great.

They used multiple types of evolutions and none of them were bad.
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>>151586054
The setting. Being a digital world let it get away with a certain level a surrealness that I loved.
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>>151586556
I LOVE HOW MY DINOSAUR TURNS INTO MECHADINOSAUR THAT FIRES MISSILES!

WHAT!? THE WOLF, WALRUS, AND BUG DOES THAT TOO!?!

SOO COOL!!!1
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>>151588574
Daisuke and Ken were good

Iori and Miyako had a few good moments but were otherwise forgetable
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>>151588174
Adventure=Xros Wars>Frontier=Second half of Savers>last few episodes of Hunters>Tamers>First half of Savers>02>The rest of Hunters

Not ranking Appmon, it started off alright and I'm hoping it can still be saved.
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>>151588896
>Iori
Him, he was the biggest faggot out of those six. Everyone shits on Daisuke, but Iori managed to be the little shit without being a little shit. Kudos to the writers for that one.
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>>151586185

>pokemon overshadowed it
Correct.

>pokemon was more natural
>pokemon had better designs
>pokemon had better writing

Wrong.
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>>151588536
02 is bottom of the barrel of the digimon franchise though.
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So how's everybody liking Tri? I'm enjoying it so far, but I'm kinda upset about the new digivolution to champion/adult animation because of how weird and floaty they look.

Also I was expecting the third movie to have some sick moment with HerculesKabuterimon but instead got feels, which I'm a tiny bit upset about
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>>151587258
I literally started it for the first time in years tonight and it's comfy/10
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>>151594904
I dropped after the first episode because of how obvious of a cash out it was.
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>>151588222
what the fuck? how is he just punching mega level digimon?
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>>151586054
Well considering Pokemon literally copied digivolving and called it megaforms now... I'd say they got the concept of temporary power monster evolution right lol
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>>151594758
>t. Taiora shipper
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>>151595263
Mega level is dub only name though ardtard

Also Sun and Moon are retconning Mega Evolution out anyway
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They piggybacked off of pokemon but added sci fi twist.

More characters to like too.

Less pokemon = more humans.
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>>151596855
Shipping is literally the least of 02 many, many issues.
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>>151594128
Pokemon designs are rooted primarily in their animal analogues. They are generally logical in their progression from starter to final evolution. Generally from cute to progressively more badass. Digimon follows a similar pattern where the Child/Rookie is generally cute and takes inspiration from a real world animal or plant, then digivolves to become larger and more badass versions of themselves. But the designs quickly become lazy. Digimon lines either become more humanoid or adding machine grafts which culminate in the final form being completely machine or armored, sometimes both. Very few digimon lines avoid this fate such as the Tentomon line.

The haphazard use of Christian symbolism and mysticism creates a certain disjunction in an otherwise very Japanese series. This culture clash makes Digimon feel less cohesive than Pokemon.
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>>151588857
>WALRUS, AND BUG DOES THAT TOO!?!

???
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>>151586190
This.

Mimi is a miracle of the universe.
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>>151586054
Using Kouji Wada while he was still alive.
>>151588857
Well yeah, overall I prefer the aesthetics of Digimon over pretty much anything Pokemon puts out.
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>>151586054
They hire Yasuda Suzuhito to do the designs for their games. Unfortunately they didn't let him design for the anime because it would be too lewd for the kids.
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>>151586054
SHOW ME YOUR BRAVE HEART
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>>151586054
ow digimon needs pander to sell somenthing
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>>151598111
Hell, the peak of Digimon evolutions are usually just super robots.

Not that I hate it though. Actually, I absolutely loved it.
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>>151587258
I'm convinced you are just a foolish hater.
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>>151586185
>pokemon had better writing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
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>>151596855
Just a guy with common sense.
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>There are people on this board
>RIGHT NOW
>Who had to hear Digimon Champions over and over again
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>>151599899
Never bothered me.
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>>151586054
Digimon is surprisingly well written for a kids show. The character development for all 16 characters (8 kids + 8 digimons) was incredibly well done, something modern anime fails to do with 3 or 4 characters. The story and villains were pretty good as well, and damn the few episodes of Taichi going back home are incredibly impressive and the entire Wizardmon arc was great.

If the anime were only more for adults and they would stop spoiling every fucking episode in the OP the anime would be almost perfect.
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>>151588857
How were Zudomon and Atlur Kabuterimon mecha?
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>>151586185
>pokemon
>better writing
>better designs
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>>151600127
>episodes of Taichi going back
I think this is what the folks on /tv/ call kino.
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>>151600235
It was incredible and really surprising because you just expected another Digimon episode but you got something special. I have read that they did the first Movie (great movie) under budget and used the left up budget for these episodes.

Most anime struggle with something like a going back to the real world arc, but Digimon did it exceptionally well. I loved the original anime, 02 was alright as well but the rest is pretty much just standard kids show stuff.
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Tamers was awesome shit once the kids matrix evolved with their digimons.

Suddenly Takato and Guilmon were the fucking awesome white knight Dukemon (or Gallantmon, as we know him in the west), having an awesome bout with Belzemon.
Then Jenrya and his Lopmon transform into the fucking huge Gargomon and shoot missiles and shit.
Then Ruki and Renamon become the supersexy waifumon Sakuyamon in a gorgeous transformation sequence.

Man, I loved Tamers.
Adventures 01 and 02 were good too.
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>>151586054
My nostalgia
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>>151586054
Each of the kids somehow managed to feel unique as opposed to the simple stereotypes they could have been.

The OST was amazing.

Dinosaurs with missiles.
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>>151595157
His Ki- I mean, his Digi Soul is that big.
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Anyone else who rewatched it recently surprised that Mimi and Sora hitched a ride with a pedo?
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>>151586054
They put more effort into it than the people who did or are doing the Pokemon shows.

Compared to most kids shows, the Digimon ones are pretty good overall (with the exception of 02 that is considered the worst).

Hoping that in the future, Digimon will actually still be around.
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Having a Eva writer on tamers

>Mother D-Reaper is essentially Lillith
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>>151599899
I just discovere this week that digimon champions also replaced BRAVEHEART during the digivolution sequences. fuck that's rough, Here in huehueland we had an digimon champions version replacing Butterfly for the opening, but at least during the actual episodes they kept the original soundtrack.
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>>151586185
>pokemon overshadowed it

Only the games

In terms of the Anime Digimon was better but it was hard to follow. They kind of screwed themselves with the animation style.

It was great up until they introduced the new digidestined. People weren't ready for that which is why they brought back the original but was too late to help it.

Digimon is still great but they have tripped over themselves to much to sustain its greatness.
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>>151595157
I don't see anything wrong with that.
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>>151586054
Kouji Wada. Too bad he's dead now.
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>>151600753
even 02 wasn't actually that disgusting, the biggest problem is they had a bunch of interesting ideas that they didn't manage to develop or wrap-up properly, but concepts like the digimon emperor, blackwargreymon and the dark seeds are pretty cool. Also, /a/ has a deep hatred of it because shipping.
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Tamers and Frontier have the best evolution/transformation sequences
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>>151600870
Don't forget the fanfiction tier ending
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>>151600856
the only thing that kept consistently great during all the series was Wada's songs. May Kami-sama bless his brave heart.
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>>151600899
Thank God for reboot complete.
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>>151600899
that whole last arc was a mess
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>>151600870
Yep. And that's what it was the worst Digimon show.

It had too many ideas put into it. The Dark Ocean and the Demon Corps had potential. BlackWarGreymon also had good potential. The whole stuff with the towers also had potential.

HELL, I DARE SAY THAT EVERYTHING AFTER THE KAISER ARC HAD POTENTIAL, but because they had to fit into the quota they couldn't flesh it all out to be good or memorable.

The Kaiser Arc was the only good thing about the show (along with the OST), but it dragged too long hence why the later part was half-baked.

The 02 Kids, except for Ken and Iori, were wasted potential.

Daisuke never advanced in character development while Miyako was pants-on-heads retarded due to the fact that the authors probably didn't know what to do with her. They should've made her simply a ditzy, energetic rule 63 version of Koushiro.

The ending...it didn't left any continuity and was unnecessary.

>>151600899
>>151600917
>>151600970
We still gonna need to know if Tri will actually retcon all this mess.

>>151600856
>>151600904
Digimon won't be the same without him.

Fucking cancer had to kill him. I blame F.D. Roosevelt.
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>>151601117
He was the victim of the 2016 grim reaper.
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>>151601156
Yeah, but cancer is fucking common in Japan.

All because Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And poor Wada died of cancer.

I really feel hollow now.
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>>151601206
Japan has one of the lowest cancer rates in the world
Although the cancers that they do get more often tend to be the more fatal ones
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So I finished watching Tamers today, I've watched what was before it and Xros, is there any series I should watch next?
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>>151601337
Savers, if you want some punching
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>>151601337
Savers isn't bad. It's pretty fun.

Frontier has a nice Digimon World but...
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>>151586767
I could only beat the game with the aid of a gameshark for more exp. The grinding is absurd.
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>>151596855
02 was trash besides Ken
Daisuke and Jolee were some of the worst characters I've ever suffered through and never got any comeuppance since the PLOT always justified them
Also the short kid was a literally who
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>>151586185
>pokemon overshadowed it
Thanks to the games.
>pokemon was more natural
The fuck does that mean.
>pokemon had better designs
Again, thanks to the games.
>pokemon had better writing
If you're talking about the games, yes, but barely. If you're talking about the anime, pic related.
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>>151601284
That's a bummer.

Hoping those nano-nets Poland discovered will go from experimental phase into wide-spread one really soon.

>>151601781
>Thanks to the games.
Yep, but people are slowly having enough of them. The spin-offs are the only better Pokemon games.

>The fuck does that mean.
Anon probably meant that when a Pokemon evolves then he stays closer to being to what he used to be previously + with some extras added. In Digimon's case the evolutions can be drastically different from each other, but I honestly don't see it as something wrong in the latter's case.

>Again, thanks to the games
And sadly over time these designs started to get worse and worse.

>If you're talking about the games, yes, but barely. If you're talking about the anime, pic related.
Agreed. The games actually had decent writing, but also the likes of Pokemon Special or the spin-off games. The Pokemon shows however...meh.
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>>151602157
>Yep, but people are slowly having enough of them. The spin-offs are the only better Pokemon games.
Not even kinda
Pokemon still DOMINATES the handhelds and children market but thankfully it looks like Digimon is aiming for a more "adult" audience with its games and I really hope they continue that trend since Cyber Sluts was pretty fun and not as nearly bullshit of a grind as the older Story games
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>>151599899
>next Tri movie hast the Dark Masters

There's just no way they can end this without giving us King Etemon, r-right?
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>>151602252
>Pokemon still DOMINATES
Agreed, but even then if Nintendo won't come up with a way to get more kids into it, then there will be a slow decline.

>>151602449
>King Etemon
Would be fun.
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>>151600783
What
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>>151586054
Tamers and the wonderswan games were good.
The rest of the franchise is garbage bellow Monster Rancher tier.
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>>151600876
I agree, but also tamers > frontier
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>>151599633
>Nokia
>Just lingerie with a hoodie.
I can never not get turned on by this.
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>>151600235
This episode in its entirety is still overall the best in the series.
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>>151586185
That last two were bait right?
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I wish I was Mimi.
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>>151604735
Why?
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>>151604735
We know, Sora.
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>>151604748
So you can live life at EASY MODE!
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>>151600318
> I have read that they did the first Movie (great movie) under budget and used the left up budget for these episodes.
Yeah, no. It doesn't have anything to do with budged. But there is a connection. The first movie was directed by Hosoda Mamoru. And the episode about Taichi's brief return to real world was also storyboarded and directed by Hosoda Mamoru. His Digimon works are honestly the best he's ever done. I know most people disagree with me and I respect that but his Digimon outings are just magnificent for me. Digimon Gekijouban is the best thing to ever come out of this franchise and also is Hosoda's masterpiece. Very short but extremely powerful piece which despite a few words has so much to tell. His Digimon episode with Taichi of pure melancholy. And Bokura no War Game, an ultimately hilarious compact movie with kick-ass action and no obligatory morals in your face.
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>>151586185
>pokemon had better writing

Manga, yeah sure
Game, debatable
Anime, fuck. no.
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>>151588728
I love that kind of scenery. Reminds me of YKK.
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>>151599899
>had to listen to Digimon are the Champions for three seasons in a row

kill me
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>>151599899
I don't know. I remember loving it as a child, but now just thinking about the song gives me a headaches.
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>>151586054
Digimon adventure was fucking real while also being able to have fun because of the supernatural premise instead of other kids anime series that could only do gags to break up the drama, and this is something that even the dub largely kept.

It also shook things up quite well between each arc so it didn't stagnate without just upping the power levels.

02 tried to be less serious, tamers tried to be more serious. both are heavily flawed and after that digimon's approach stopped being novel because other things started to really copy it.
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>>151586054
Honestly? Shipping.

That and furries are the reasons why people hold a torch for digimon all these years, they had a crush on one of the characters
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>>151600394
>>151600318
>>151607041
Summer Wars was basically Our War Game too.
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>>151586054
A lot of stuff. The first season was simply great
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>>151586944
Tamers is the real spiritual successor to Adventure.
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>>151586054
>be me
>9 years old
>had a shitty day on school
>finally this chapter goes on tv for the first time in my country

https://youtu.be/toqIBXzONBo
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>>151586185
This honestly
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Which digigirl would you fug?
Sora

Which digimongirl would you fug?
Lilymon
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>>151615120
>girl
Yoshino
>digimongirl
Angewomon
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>>151586054
It was a poorman's pokemon. At least it aimed high
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>>151586054
The music, as your pic implies. The vocal tracks are the only noteworthy thing about the series outside of its Tamagotchi origins.
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>>151615120
Hikari

Renamon
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>>151586940
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>>151615120
Eri-sama

Lilithmon
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dem girls first boner
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>>151618242
>>151618335
LEWD
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So is there still a chance for a tamers sequel? Or at least a movie ?
I want to believe.
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>>151586185
>Better writing
>What is Digimon Tamers
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Rukato is best couple.
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>>151618096
Eri is the gift that keeps on giving
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>>151618764
tamers becomes irredeemably bad when they go to the digital world

a strong start and some novel ideas can't make up for ryo & the two retards eating up all the screentime and endless episode of beelzemon killing people and angsting about it
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Matt and sora will get together again.
Maybe they will retcon it
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>>151599899
>Who had to hear Digimon Champions over and over again
I loved every minute of it
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